protection

[gritty glen]

Double shield wall helps with that pull

[slim dove]

Garbo

[wheat phoenix]

Agreed... wowhead recommendations this season have not been great.

[slim dove]

It's just outdated

Old rumors made it look pog

Now we're all whetstone/grieftorch gamers

[vestal torrent]

Still need to go farm that whetstone sigh

[hazy sluice]

For me it would be pally I guess. It's more like the opposite of warr with a lot ways to help your struggling team. Feel it would be great for pugging

[slim dove]

42 runs and counting

[coarse flower]

For m+, is the bloodsurge talent recommended? or is the rage gen not that great

[sick sentinel]

i got a halls of valor 10 now, should try to get on that

[vestal torrent]

i cant do another grind like I did for HoV

i refuse

[slim dove]

It's 4-5k dps from a trinket alone

Ain't got a choice

[vestal torrent]

😢

[strong forum]

So yeh, it's pretty good

[zinc ruin]

Thoughts on Shield of the Hearth vs Primal Molten Defender vs Unstable Frostfire Belt for my last Spark?

[deep cargo]

same question our 3 is lariat weapon and shield or frostfire belt?

[strong forum]

Shield of hearth is not better than anything else

Neither does it matter which embellishment you pick

I explained it in the pins

[zinc ruin]

apologies will look through them

[balmy pawn]

Only thing I’ve got got you on this is: by default the rotation helper only wants you to cast Thunderclap when you can’t cast Revenge, or when Rend <=1

Once I removed that, it started asking me to clap more routinely and it improved my dps a lot

[chrome falcon]

you should absolutely not use that addon

[urban portal]

The apl isn’t too optimized

So therefore hekili isn’t too optimized

[trim hill]

Just learn the rotation by playing more

[urban portal]

Prot warrior is possibly the only tank spec that needs to decide on damage vs survival

So an apl is hard to optimize

[cosmic lichen]

what builds do you usually liker for high dmg and crit stacking?

[lusty narwhal]

once you have 5 stacks of eye in the storm phial, when do they fall off?

[sick sentinel]

i don't see it anywere

perhaps 8 seconds? it says "for each enemy that has attacked you in the last 8 seconds", that's my assumption, stacks to 5 lasts 8 seconds and if you trigger it again probably refreshes

[blazing condor]

Happy new

[lusty narwhal]

im starting to feel like using phial of elements is better in like raids

eye in the storm kinda feels like its shit outside of mythics on non boss weeks

[sick sentinel]

i just do tepid versa for price to performance personally, not that i can't afford the top tier ones, just may as well wait until its cheap AF

[lusty narwhal]

tepid vers might be nice as well

[gleaming crest]

Do prot warriors have an issue with the last pack in temple of the jade serpent or am I just shit? Went in with SB, IP, LS and SW and still got demolished by the claws. How can I prevent this?

[lusty narwhal]

im just gonna start ccing those fucks

[fading tide]

I got what wowhead says is the m+ BIS weapon. Should I be pumping all my valor into it?

[queen cave]

you can spell reflect their cast and stun them. then you should use defensives and when they are about to run out you simply just kite.

[blazing condor]

Do they fervent strike with their claws?

[queen cave]

Spell block should also work on them

[blazing condor]

Ya spell block is op in tojs

[queen cave]

yeah, their cast does 0 dmg.

[static pumice]

can shockwave/sbolt/stun&intim shout aswell to stagger some of the claws

[lusty narwhal]

which mobs in that last pack are the deadliest?

[frosty mango]

Do you guys run def stance Perma in higher fort keys?

[static pumice]

on higher key if youre not geared can also cc some/kite around

[frosty mango]

Was doing a 20 last night and the trash gets a a little sketchy

[queen cave]

minion of doubt

[static pumice]

haunting sha frontal is also deadly if it were facing your party while kiting around the other shas

[odd nimbus]

guiys

[frosty mango]

Honestly fuck that pack. I hop in with spell block/reflect/wall, ravager and roar and pump as much damage as possible then run the fuck away

[odd nimbus]

battered ram or thunderlord

??

m+

[heavy temple]

You can synch their dark claws by stunning , and then reflect multiple claws with one SR as well

[queen cave]

well, it casts on a random player. so not something you can control

[static pumice]

haunting gaze is not random i believe

[heavy temple]

It is not

[static pumice]

its on tank/target

[frosty mango]

Flames of doubt

[queen cave]

sorry, i thougt you talked about Shambling Infester

[frosty mango]

Is the frontal random I think

[odd nimbus]

battering ram or thunderlord for m+?

[static pumice]

the infester also cone breath but dodgeable

[fading tide]

Anyone share any tips for a 14 CoS? I’ve never tanked higher then a 12

[frosty mango]

It's gonna depend on your group and key

[odd nimbus]

high key and pug

[frosty mango]

Take your group comp into account, you will usually be able to skip one fel enforcer so you'll need an extra 7% trash

[static pumice]

this week most groups is lusting on that last pack & bring a warlock/spriest for last boss

[analog sparrow]

who is a good prot tank to watch some vids on? Really trying to learn dungeon routes and what packs can be pulled together (in most cases)

[frosty mango]

Lusting a big pull at the very start too will also save you a lot of time

[fallen pulsar]

how do you get the diamond gems?

I dont see any on auction house

[sick sentinel]

is halls of valor free key this week?

im worried about up to just past first boss there is a bunch of guys that do a heal, and theres also sanguine

[analog sparrow]

gotta work order them

or buy the raw uncut biamond

diamond*

[fallen pulsar]

gotcha

[frosty mango]

It's not hard, timer is tight on higher keys

[quartz mist]

any dungeon is not hard , just need kicks and ccs in the right motion which half pugs are brain dead

[surreal owl]

how do you deal with last trash pack on TotSP on fortified? I know I have to kite, but it's hard to kite and maintain aggro with those little mobs that spawn from that big mob

[frosty mango]

Around 18 or so you need to either pump trash or do some really big pulls with lust or you're gonna miss timer

This is prob the easiest week we will get ever tbh

[quartz mist]

^

[frosty mango]

I jump in with spell block/shield block. Stun, wall and reflect on the slashes. Ravager/roar w avatar and spam revenges and tclap

Once defensives run out I'll hop out

And kite

Dps usually don't rip after ravager rota

[sick sentinel]

ohhhhh yogi pain incoming

[frosty mango]

A lot of tanks will turn around and run, if they hit your back you're gonna die so keep the distance. I've seen people facetank them when I'm dpsing but we were all doing like 200k+ on the pack

[surreal owl]

I see. Thank you. I'll try that next time.

[quartz mist]

shield or neck to 418 , or wait for vault for 421 piece

[sick sentinel]

this fucker ninja pulls every single time and dragon roulettes the healer and my dps

[steady steppe]

worth to dump all my valor into hoof?

[quartz mist]

no

[sick sentinel]

in this position, every single time when i get to that point of RLP, he comes and surprise dragon time

im not sure what to do

[frosty mango]

Wait

Pull the elemental pack up onto the little pool

The dragons have a 30s rota

When it lands it will take off again after 30s

Dragon has sight so don't try to sneak it, learned that the hard way

[sick sentinel]

so i just have to watch where it lands and then put a skull x world marker there

[frosty mango]

Yes but it land in different places, can be either side of a pack but it will never land on the pack

So if you tank up on the little pool you're fine

Other people prob have different strategies that's just what's worked for us

[quartz mist]

shield or neck to 418 , or wait for vault for 421 piece

[sick sentinel]

so hes supposed to ninja attack the group basically

[frosty mango]

If you're recrafting just do them both?

Or first time imo wait for vault

[quartz mist]

yeah otw for both , did my wep first now shield i guess

[frosty mango]

I'm out here tanking 17+ with a 379 shield so I'm not really the shining beacon of an example

[quartz mist]

im a sweaty min max tank , Ill just up the shield for now

[frosty mango]

Prot is my offspec but my friends make me tank. Ironically I switched from spriest because I had to heal all the time and now I tank 80% of the time

[twin gulch]

hey guys just started tanking, i was wondering if u can sim for damage taken or get stat weights for this ?

[quartz mist]

damage taken is really on you , you can sim dps

[sick sentinel]

no you cant sim damage taken to my knowledge

[quartz mist]

example in HoV

you can back step the power attacks

and wont hit you

[sick sentinel]

damage reduction is a smoke the bear only you can prevent forest fires situation

[twin gulch]

true

how about leech

how many ilvl's is that worth?

any general rule for this

[quartz mist]

just get the enchants and if you get it on a piece meh

[frosty mango]

Leech is great but the only HP that matters is the last one

It's not going to keep you alive or fix bad play

So in that sense it's not really worth much

As a smoothing mechanism it has value

[sick sentinel]

i think leech would be better with mastery stacking because then you leech for more dmg through your increased AP

[lyric elm]

Nothing, it's tertiary

Not even secondary

[slim dove]

speed enchants > leech enchants imo

[lyric elm]

Almost all your healing is overhealing as tank

[ionic roost]

Good thing you can get all 3 then

Speed boots, leech/avoidance cloak/wrists

[slim dove]

speed on everything.

[crimson snow]

hey all, is there a good resource anywhere for m+ important spells to interrupt?

or is the a plater script i get anywhere?

[twin gulch]

aite cheers

[frozen rose]

have asked this before and i think i'm missing something. How are yall dealing with capping on rage? esp say on opener with ravager and avatar rolling? thunderclap and shieldslam are coming off cd way too fast, and giving me too much rage, for me to be able to dump it all with revenge. i assume TC and SS takes priority over revenge. how i deal with capping rage is i just waste it into ignore pain, even if I already have it rolling. seems like a waste but what else do I do? someone looked at my logs and told me my ranking sucks because i'm dumping so much into ignore pain. I must be missing something, because I'd love to be able to hit revenge way more often

only solution i see is from a dps perspective, prioritize revenge over like TC or something? damn abilities coming off cd too fast

[median tulip]

Dump to Ignore Pain is the way to go

[frozen rose]

hm. seems like higher logs i see, i see way more revenge casts, and very little IP

[median tulip]

Dumping to Ignore Pain triggers Indomitable, Violent Outburst and Anger Management. Spend Rage to generate more Rage is just how Warrior rolls.

[frozen rose]

ok. well, thats what i've been doing

[analog sparrow]

doesnt dumping to revenge do all that + proc shield slams?

[median tulip]

Yeah, but Revenge is on the GCD, while IP isn't

[sick sentinel]

so, i havent run any keys at a 10 yet, whats the polite thing to do if i get the buff? let them keep it for dps? or end early? or contextual based on dmg group is recieving?

[trim hill]

Revenge is on GCD. IP isn’t. Revenge doesn’t keep you alive

[analog sparrow]

ooooh

gotcha, good to know

[sick sentinel]

like, what is a pug mind expecting me to do with the buff

[median tulip]

Shield Block isn't on GCD either, FWIW

[sick sentinel]

or they just don't even know they got the buff and it doesn't kill them anywas

[unreal lily]

Usually people clear it when there's a few seconds left

[median tulip]

If you have Red you have to clear with someone. If you have Blue then you can be the man left over

[gritty inlet]

I would say place yourself close to another so you can clear quickly if mechanics happen

[bold turret]

Responsibility of the -ves to clear generally as they are the ones that have to clear

[median tulip]

The closer you can get to it expiring, the more DPS bonus you get out of it

[sick sentinel]

how is it then? negative positves? im not an electrician wires type

im assuming its same as car battery irl

[median tulip]

Two people get Red (Negative); 3 people get Blue (Positive)

[bold turret]

There is always 3 +ves and 2 negative so there is a left over +be that has no clear

[median tulip]

You glow the relevant colour; it's really not subtle

[frosty mango]

I believe there's also a tornado or orb above your head

[trim hill]

Thundering is like not a tank mechanic at all. Any good group they will clear on each other if they can and if not someone will clear with you. You can’t be swinging mobs around and chasing down others. Never run a key with pugs that didn’t understand that yet and I’ve done a lot

[frosty mango]

If color isnt your thing

[median tulip]

There is. This is actually a huge issue on Odyn when he gives you runes at the same time Razageth gives you the debuff and you can't fucking see your Rune

[trim hill]

Obviously there are times you will need to clear on someone but generally people will come to you

[frosty mango]

I just use the weakaura because of this

[sick sentinel]

so, its whenever it gets towards the end of the buff, red seeks out a blue, and if your a blue, you chill out at boss

like, blue only worry about contacting at end of the buff

[median tulip]

As a tank you pretty much never move for it

[frosty mango]

If you generally pug

I'd highly recommend looking at someone who could clear it

[median tulip]

mind you I don't PUG; guild runs only

[frosty mango]

And be ready to leap to them

If you need to

Or you will be dead often

[sick sentinel]

is is generally more important to remove the debuff on tank and healer then since they do less dps?

[frosty mango]

The general idea is clear it as late as possible

I'm not sure id qualify tanks as "less" dps either on trash

[idle inlet]

Alot of frontals though, at times its hard to clear it at a optimal time.

Best to get close to a dps, and clear it sub 5s.

Or if you have faith in the dps, let them sidestep into you

[frosty mango]

Heroic leap to clear target

Charge back to boss

If they die to a frontal, they should have played better

[mellow quartz]

Pick up ellesmeres thundering weak aura on wago and it will be much easier.

[forest lantern]

Hey guys, how does one determine the value of a defensive trinket? Easy for a dps trinket obvs, but wonder if someone has a way to check somewhat reliably. maybe logs?

[chilly brook]

You don’t

It’s simple

[cinder storm]

If I have something that can help me kill things faster, I'll use it over a def item

[chilly brook]

You run offensive trinkets

And if you NEED more defense you run one of the limited options that have been determined to be good

[cinder storm]

I'd take whetstone and scale in your case

[chilly brook]

Like decoration of flame

Which happens to also be a good offensive option

[cinder storm]

Friend 392 needed help with a weekly, fine let's do a weekly no leavers, one hour later we finished notgud

18

[forest lantern]

I see, planned to run whetstone/scale but wanted some advice. Thanks.

[sick sentinel]

!spellblock

[quick iron]

Does raid gear trump what you can get in mythics, or are there mythic + items that you'd want over raid trinkets/rings

[cinder storm]

Pins

I wouldn't mind having decoration of flames and all totem

I find one use and one passive to be better

[sterile bough]

do not run this shit trinket

the scale I mean

decoration of flame is 5 times better

I mean its not bad option ifu dont have anything else

[cinder storm]

There's only 5 trinkets in that photo

[sterile bough]

but tbh I'd run hunger of the pack anyway

[placid kestrel]

Heyo! I'm trying to spin up my Prot Warrior for Mythic Plus.
I don't see my warrior going into Mythic raid at all, so locked to Heroic ilvl for my unique trinkets and no 424 gear.
With that background, I'm trying to decide what i want my crafts to be, I'm pretty set on Lariat and going for the haste proc from that. but then for the next two i'm thinking a weapon and a shield.
For the Shield there is the Shield of the Hearth, is the uptime on the vers proc decent or nah?
If Shield of the hearth is bad, would you recommend Armor spikes over Fang? Like is the ST dps difference between the two make the extra aoe damage on spikes better? Both of those are probably a sim yo self but those sims are tough right now, just wondering what the current opinion is before i explore it more.

[cosmic pond]

Imagine getting trinkets tbh

[sterile bough]

just get fangs the diffrence will be marignal

[cinder storm]

Some of your questions are answered in the pins, shield > weapon > lariat, usually in that order

[placid kestrel]

oh i must of missed that!

[cinder storm]

If you are new as pwar, shield > ilvl > anything else basically

[placid kestrel]

ye I remember that from last i played the spec

But ya Shield of the Hearth, is the vers uptime any good? If you don't know it's chill i'll try to find a log with it to see what it's like.

[cinder storm]

Molten defender

Hearth doesnt take embelisshments

[placid kestrel]

because it's a unique ya

[cinder storm]

Also Haste / Crit now, dont worry too much about vers

[placid kestrel]

Ya i'm not considering it because it's the vers proc, it's free stats, which scale better later than a damage proc like fang

[torpid junco]

Where’s best resource for what we can spell reflect

[oak echo]

Spreadsheet in pins

[cinder storm]

vers is seemingly good because in bfa they had to stack it in ultra high keys and that perception carried over

Killing things faster is the play, and crit sims good both offensively (crits) and defense wise

[unkempt pollen]

what phial are you guys using in 18+ keys?

[cinder storm]

eye of the storm, its cheap and you are already getting hit so

glacial is another option

[torpid junco]

Spreadsheet in pins? What’s pins

[torpid junco]

Hmm that not on mobile ?

[strong forum]

It is

You gotta swipe to the left

Then they're at the top

[torpid junco]

There any good weakauras for tell you when to spell reflect ?

[cinder storm]

The one on the pins, it doesnt work for me tho, but if you read the sheet and memorize it you shouldnt need it

[deep spruce]

I found a decent one on WAGO.io yesterday

https://wago.io/tDT26wrXg

Works well

[lusty narwhal]

whats the best element rotation for kurog?

[deep spruce]

What difficulty?

Heroic we do Ice > Fire > Lightning > Earth

[lusty narwhal]

yea heroic

[deep spruce]

Normal it makes no difference, do whatever

If you start with ice on heroic, keep it in there until like 55 energy, then u get double easy shit dodge things in ice, and one dance in fire

[warped badge]

hey im leveling a warrior for the first time do i ever use whirlwind or slam as prot warrior?

or are there other spells u dont need to bind 😄 ?

[deep spruce]

Just those two

[warped badge]

u never use them?

[deep spruce]

And no, never use them

[patent quiver]

In endgame no. In leveling you prolly don't get replacements for a bit

[warped badge]

ah nice thanks 🙂

[patent quiver]

So if you don't have Tclap/Shield Slam/Revenge yet you would use them yeah

idk I haven't leveled 1-50 with the new talents so I have no clue when things come online

Yeah you never use them if you're 60

[warped badge]

im already 60 😄

ok nice

[uncut notch]

tbf tho like

thats super fucking rare to not have ANY buttons to press

[patent quiver]

We're talking about during leveling

so literally, like, before you can even put points in them

[uncut notch]

Oh yeah i get you then 100%

i shouldnt skim read, my bad

[zealous grove]

prio 418 crafted wep, or shield?

[swift urchin]

Shield 100%

[lusty narwhal]

big fan if weapon

[cinder storm]

shield

[ionic roost]

When we did it week 1 with no gear, we did Fire until 2nd dance, then ice>intermission> Earth until 20 stacks then lightning >intermission> iceagain into kill

You should only have to do that if you have really low dps/hps

[placid kestrel]

Proc rate in sims is ~26%.
Found a log for an 18 SBG with the shield on a warrior and they had a 28.59% uptime through out the key. Which is about the same as lariat.
Fang on another warrior in the same dungeon same level did 557k damage the whole key.
Sim: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hbTbFGcWENiDvB6zthzio3/simc
18 sbg with fang: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GXDtgxZ4Wm6LYqQB#fight=1&type=damage-done&source=2
18 sbg with SotH: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MY89tpFLAaC3KNcB#fight=2&type=auras&source=3

[torpid junco]

Why would nerf run fang then? Think he’s just wrong ?

[rough ridge]

got the broodkeepr ring from my weekly

any memes there or just kinda bad

[slim dove]

that the absorb one? its eh

need frostfire belt to proc it.

[rough ridge]

yeah, wasnt sure if the embellish belt is worth

[pulsar sedge]

I am running it, i definately notice it all the time with slows

[wicked cliff]

Any difference in crafting Fist Weapon instead of Sword?

[pulsar sedge]

Does about 600k in a run

I see it about the same dmg as fang on my runs.

[steel mauve]

weapon type doesnt matter

just whatever you think looks best and has the stats on it you need

[pulsar sedge]

Lol.. Nice blizz.. Appreciate that tip ;D

[sick sentinel]

i dunno but i think i might fall in love with spell block

seems really cozy

[fading tide]

Just tanked my first ever 14. Felt real good but spent most of my time in D stance. The gear at the end only dropped 395 gear though does ilvl not increase?

[gaunt oasis]

I guess #268491842637660160 hasn't been updated for Dragonflight?

[sick sentinel]

no

also the wowhead guides are extremely bad

[sick sentinel]

they list out a talent sheet for each key, and all of the talents are exactly the same for each one is an example

[gaunt oasis]

Where is the best place to look to answer these two questions:

What trinkets should I target?

If I'm going to put money into a piece of crafted gear, what are the best options for tanking?

[sick sentinel]

and one of the provided builds at least is using barbaric training so

[fading tide]

How hard is normal rasz?

[sick sentinel]

probably not the best person to ask about crafting in DF, i did some really pepega crafts

trinkets, hard to say, whatever does good dps and effect you like, i've heard loads of the raid trinkets are good and only a few of the valor ones are good.

[slim dove]

grieftorch/icon/decoration/all totem from raid

[gaunt oasis]

Are the Icy Veins talent guides better than Wowhead?

[warm plinth]

The best options are, in this order:

1. Shield (embellished or not)
2. Weapon (embellished or not)
3. Embellished gear that upgrades your worst slots

[slim dove]

whetstone/hov stat stick from m+

[sick sentinel]

is like, as a tank most of your trinkets should be offensive, but i would have a defensive related trinket too if possible

[oak echo]

do yall think gaining 7 ilvls on a helm is worth losing a socket? it's the same helm just dropped at a higher level so stat prio is otherwise irrelevant

[warm plinth]

Yes

that's 7 ilevels of main stat

[gaunt oasis]

I'm currently using a 389 Rumbling Ruby and a 376 Lifeflame Ampoule. I have the Lifeflame on use just tied to a hotkey to be used on cooldown.

[warm plinth]

rumbling ruby = great, ampoule = literal garbage

[gaunt oasis]

Would you use a 356 Bushwhacker's Compass over a 376 Lifeflame? I figured Lifeflame was junk 😦

[sick sentinel]

for me the trinket meta is either i equip 2 "equip:xyz" if i don't mind when the effects go off, "equip:xyz" + "use:abc" if i want to control when trinket buffs go out

its bad damage, but you can keep it in your bags to cheese a higher ilvl than you really do

[zealous grove]

is this from cobalt ring?

[slim dove]

yes

[zealous grove]

holy shit that is insane rofl

[slim dove]

yup. outsims mythic raid rings iirc

[lyric geode]

I feel cobalt ring isnt that powerful.

[warm plinth]

No, not really. too much ilevel of str to lose.

[sick sentinel]

"use:abc" + "use:abc" is generally HORRIBLE because 1 trinket will incur the others usage cd either 20 25 or 30 seconds locked out

and its 2 more keybinds unmacro'd

[warm plinth]

Just look to replace ampoule first

[gaunt oasis]

Yeah, only have one on-use and I pretty much just bound my on use to another skill so it'll always get used haha

For comparison though, in my last M+ Lifeflame did 1% of my damage and Ruby did 3.6% haha

[sick sentinel]

keep playing the game and eventually you will get a better trinket, i promise, ii can almost garuntee it

[gaunt oasis]

I guess I'll wait on crafted gear. I don't have the item to let me craft a 405 yet and my weapon and shield are both 389 already.

[zealous grove]

Wafting Devotion sims 300DPS higher than Sophic Devotion for me. Should I use Sophic regardless due to increased surv? or go with the sim??

[lyric geode]

Guys, it feels so mandane that I have to run so many +16 for 415 crafted gear.

[lyric geode]

I feel sophic is the way to go.

[slim dove]

i just push keys and eventually get enough to upgrade stuff

[urban portal]

do you need damage or dps

decide for yourself

[zealous grove]

do you mean surv or dps?

[urban portal]

yea

sorry

and yeah

just grind keys

and get gear

[zealous grove]

im guessing its more than 300DPS worth of survivability

[lyric geode]

Hmmm

[urban portal]

not like end of dungeon drops are past you

[warm plinth]

They literally recommend to sim it, so use the one that sims higher.

[lyric geode]

True

[sick sentinel]

there is always terts and sockets to be had

and better allocated stats

[lyric geode]

I used the cobalt ring on pvp and it did shit...

I dont know, it feels kinda weird.

Sometimes good.

Sometimes maybe shit.

[bold spruce]

Sounds like RNG

[pulsar sedge]

lol

[lyric geode]

I have many difficulties. Many.

Everyday Malakia.

https://youtu.be/sG1IH1vCvko

Referencing this video.

[sick sentinel]

AA that big dude just after tree boss that forces you to back to wall or run out his circle + storming affix next week =🤣

[lyric geode]

Also, guys. I saw Plka with the dps cobalt ring.

Does it work on warriors?

[sick sentinel]

same i enchanted with r3 haste and never took it off ever

shield one is bit poopy

[urban portal]

dps ring works on warriors yes

why wouldnt it

[lyric geode]

I tested it on my protection warrior. I didnt see any difference.

I checked the logs.

[lyric geode]

It didnt proc at all.

[toxic pewter]

Cobalt ring def works

[sick sentinel]

this is what it did in +8 RLP

[lyric geode]

Weird.

[urban portal]

then link the log

[sick sentinel]

forgot password to login

cant be arsed

[urban portal]

oh is that the details

for the ring

then yeah it works

[lyric geode]

Do you have something that procs ? Like a trinket or some shit.

[sick sentinel]

trinket critting for 46k as air and a normal hit for 44k jeezus lol

[lyric geode]

Maybe this is the reason.

Need to ask the devs for more clarifications

Also. Maybe craft frostbelt as well for the extra umph

[urban portal]

yogi

just take off all your trinkets

and have the ring

also im fairly sure every dps warrior is using it

so spins your ring is just busted

[sick sentinel]

it was listing my ring too

[urban portal]

take off the trinket

to make sure the trinket isnt proccing it

[sick sentinel]

i didn't even realize the trinket can proc it

[warm plinth]

Yes, you should be making frostfire belt if you're using a raid ring

[sick sentinel]

okay, and so take off trinket and which now?

[urban portal]

anything else that can proc it

[warm plinth]

We can't proc it naturally so you have to use something that provides fire damage.

[urban portal]

just take off trinkets and it works

[flat sorrel]

which is better? this would be prot not fury set bonus

[urban portal]

we are discussing the cobalt ring atm

[urban portal]

tier

[flat sorrel]

even with the big ilvl diff?

[warm plinth]

Oh, my bad.

[runic birch]

bummer

[warm plinth]

I misunderstood.

[flat sorrel]

is the 2 set that much better?

[urban portal]

its 13 ilevels

on 1 piece

that doesnt make 4% damage

[lyric geode]

Just to confirm to you guys that the cobalt ring dps is shit. I am going to run tomorrow a low key without trinkets. Or go for a random dungeon.

[flat sorrel]

kk

ty

[warm plinth]

It is not shit though

[urban portal]

its a regular 389 ring with an upside

[lyric geode]

Tier 4 set for prot warriors isnt that great either.

Tier 2 is nice.

[sick sentinel]

so, how do you want me to test this

[urban portal]

just dont have trinkets

and test

[sick sentinel]

i have my trinket off by trivial DF mobs

[urban portal]

go to a dummy

since mobs die instantly

[cosmic pond]

What are you testing, the cobalt ring?

[warm plinth]

4 piece is solid. It's just survival that you might not necessarily need.

[urban portal]

in a terros log the ring did 3% of his damage

thats a LOT

for a free ring

[cosmic pond]

I have fuck all trinkets on my warrior (ran pvp+whetstone) and cobalt ring is consistently like 3% of my damage

[urban portal]

thats as much damage as his thunderous roar

[lyric geode]

Yeah, but how it procs is the answer.

Does it proc because of trinkets?

Or it is something else.

[urban portal]

damaging abilities

are your regular abilities

what part of that do you not understand

[warm plinth]

It procs on every ability.

Originally it did not work on our shit, but it was hotfixed a long time ago.

IT was only working for spells before

[lyric geode]

I wait for @sick sentinel

[urban portal]

why cant you test it yourself

[lyric geode]

Because it is late and I am quite unable to test it.

[cosmic pond]

Read above. I have no trinkets that procs it and it has worked since I farmed it

[urban portal]

ok this is perfect

only warrior abilities

and the ring

thanks yogi

[lyric geode]

Thanks yogi

I still dont understand. Why it doesnt proc on me...

I feel cheated.

[warm plinth]

Where's the log?

[lyric geode]

That and the defensive cobalt ring on pvp. I don't seem to know why it doesnt work.

[lyric geode]

Unfortunately no. I dont have data to support my claims.

[urban portal]

i love making claims

without evidence

[lyric geode]

I know it sounds silly.

[warm plinth]

🤔

[cosmic pond]

[urban portal]

then wheres the log

[lyric geode]

I mean, I have previously when I first acquired the ring.

[warm plinth]

where's that log

[lyric geode]

Fuck..

Busted.

[urban portal]

its like when i heard andrew tate got released 5 hours of his arrest

[cosmic pond]

Got em bois. Pack it up

[lyric geode]

It is just a memory I have.

[inland mesa]

It did 550k damage on my mythic terros kill, 1409.5 dps

[urban portal]

i was so excited

but then

[warm plinth]

[lyric geode]

Who is Andrew Tate?

[warm plinth]

He's like if you took a garbage dumpster and made it a human being

[lyric geode]

Okay, so he is an instagram blocker.

Got it.

Blogger***

[urban portal]

if you dont know who he is

dont worry about it

[cosmic pond]

I'm sure there's a log joke to be made there

[sick sentinel]

i have a feeling i know whats going on, but idunno lol

[lyric geode]

It feels strange. Isnt it?

Anyway, I dont want to nag about my problems.

[sick sentinel]

seems to me, like, , every one minute you get a buff lasts for up to 30 seconds, and then doing attacks in then can trigger it and when you use up 3 hits worth, it goes back on cd to resett the buff

[lyric geode]

Thanks again yogi

[sick sentinel]

thats my working theory, probably wrong

[lyric geode]

Seems like a good theory.

[warm plinth]

It's literally just 2ppm.

You can be lucky or unlucky like any proc

[lyric geode]

Maybe I am just unlucky. Maybe it isnt show in the details because I am just not observant as a person to see it.

Probably the last one.

[sick sentinel]

TBF i didn't even know you could track CPM in details now baseline

[compact portal]

check if ur details is updated

it might not even be recording the spell if

id

[sick sentinel]

i wonder when that got added, be a nice number to see on multiple items at once at a glance

[lyric geode]

I guess the ring with dds like mage or warlock is going to proc like crazy.

[sick sentinel]

just "cpm:17.7"

[lyric geode]

Rain of fire.

Spam spam spam

[warm plinth]

that's not how it works

[lyric geode]

Ah yes. My bad.

True.

[urban portal]

eye beam

10000 cpm

amirite boys

[fading tide]

Never tanked higher then a 10 Jade temple and got a 16 key. How fucked am I

[lyric geode]

Hahaha you got me a laugh out ttgere.

[cosmic pond]

No wonder dhs pump

[urban portal]

then you add collective anquish

thats another 10000 cpm

[lyric geode]

Pug other keys to ruin their keys so you can perfect yours.

[edgy grail]

You’ll prob die, but then you’ll learn from it 🙂

[urban portal]

blizzard is GENERALLY good about making sure that borrowed power is equally strong between most specs

[lyric geode]

I mean, we had jailer's weapon.

[edgy grail]

That’s bot even remotely true

They constantly use borrowed power to “fix” specs

[urban portal]

i mean like

[warm plinth]

There's a difference between a weapon that only some people can use and an item functioning differently between classes/specs.

[edgy grail]

Like Destro in SOFO

[lyric geode]

Wasnt it balanced out between all specs?

[urban portal]

jailer weapon does about as much damage on BDK as it does on arms warrior

yes ino understands me

[edgy grail]

Had 40% gain in ST

[lyric geode]

Who equipped it!

[urban portal]

so the ring does ABOUT as much damage on arms as it does on havoc

havoc historically abuses ppm proc due to free haste from meta

[warm plinth]

I don't know if the ring is hasted though. It usually states that on wowhead if it is

[lyric geode]

I would probably write like an essay explaining why dk should be at the bottom of the tier list in DF for how much broke it was in SL.

[urban portal]

but you could argue the same on fury

[lyric geode]

True

Still, I believe that as well

[cosmic pond]

Like gurthalak or whatever that stupid sword from dragon soul was called

[urban portal]

of course

[lyric geode]

Havoc dh isnt good only because of the dmg.

Its utility its insane.

[urban portal]

ah

that utility that existed since 9.0

but wasnt used until now

i see

[lyric geode]

That is why I believe dh is quite good all expansions.

[urban portal]

we love the utility

[edgy grail]

The number 1 criteria for a DPS to be good is always damage

[urban portal]

ah yes

havoc was just so good in shadowlands

because of their massive utility

and not because that they abused first strike like no one else

[lyric geode]

Usually monk or dh switch roles

Monk isnt good, dh is good.

[urban portal]

m+ havoc was CARRIED by borrowed power

hard

[edgy grail]

Like every spec that was good

Lol

[lyric geode]

Today's both are insanely powerful.

[urban portal]

without korayn havoc would be bottom tier

in 9.1

in 9.2 havoc would be bottom tier without both CA and venthyr

[fading tide]

Anyone got any tips for a 16 Jade?

[lyric geode]

Pug lower keys

[edgy grail]

Play double wall and spell block

[cosmic pond]

Reflect torches on the duo pandas on the way to 2nd boss, reflect dark claw, pop cds to build threat on last pack before last boss and when they run out lepa and run until shit is dead

Rest shouldn't kill you

Maybe haunting gaze might bonk you

[fading tide]

What about the first pack that big water guy?

[lyric geode]

Los the water element

[cosmic pond]

The water elementals? Just face tank it while tanking it at a corner so people can los it

[fading tide]

God help me on this one

[lyric geode]

The answer pug lower keys

[fading tide]

Meh it’s my key so if it fails it’s w/e

[lyric geode]

Well, a 16 key is valuable for multiple reasons

[fading tide]

Y

[cosmic pond]

Gz

I think I've killed uh... 14 bosses on hc and 12 on normal and yet to get a single piece

At this rate I'll just wait for trinkets from vault

[sterile bough]

HUH

what is that even supposed to mean?

[lyric geode]

Mean, find other people's keys and join them. Tanks are quite "privileged" compared to dds

[sterile bough]

I feel like doing that is kinda cursed

I tried it on all key levels 15-22

it kinda is that 80% of the time

the key holder is 500 io below his key

and u just fail and fail and fail

[sick sentinel]

it only cost my sanity

[lyric geode]

Me too. But it kinda seems cool that you can blunder and join another key.

[zenith lava]

My healing in keys seems quite low, any ideas what might the issue be? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mkaAfN2yMzV4Q97D/#fight=last&type=healing

[fading tide]

Thanks for the tips early when I asked about Jade 16

Came 5 secs shy of timing it

[sick current]

im in a huge dilema lol

happy new year (soon) by the wya!

[frosty mango]

Is the 4 piece enough to not have to press IP during cooldowns on larger packs?

[sick current]

if i only do m+, should i still go for the shield/sword after neck with my sparks?

[frosty mango]

What key level is this? Your healer wasn't really high so

[edgy grail]

You’re wasting insane amounts of rage https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mkaAfN2yMzV4Q97D/#fight=last&type=resources&source=4&spell=101

[stable valve]

You’ll still press IP to avoid capping rage

[edgy grail]

Which is like all the time

[rustic cargo]

I just got told by a resto druid and a DH that thundering is the prot warriors problem to deal with cause we got leap. am I crazy?

[cedar trench]

no

its situational but if they want me to drag 5 mobs with frontals over to them then i can 🙂

[rustic cargo]

was told I was bad cause I should be leaping while tanking the boss to the dps this was during Crawth on a 15, I guess I could have

[cedar trench]

a DH literally could

dash over

dash back

[rustic cargo]

what i said

[deft hazel]

getting my ass kicked in av 17 and no 17 i wonder if its a ilvl issue or i dont play right

[rustic cargo]

was resto druid monk warlock dh and me prot warrior

[cedar trench]

its all dynamic with thundering IMO but most of the time i just prayge that pugs clear and hold leap for the rare time they walk around like spergs

[rustic cargo]

i tried to explain its hard to see around while a big bird is in my face and red shit is everywhere lol then I got to chase them around lol

[deft hazel]

next time they complain face a frontal at them

[cedar trench]

warlock i could "understand" but the others, no that's just silly

[deft hazel]

them azure vault piercing shards will do the trick

[uncut zephyr]

If you don't have the weakaura that spams the square or x you don't get to complain about thundering

[pulsar sedge]

Lol i had to upload a run just to check on my rage wasted after i saw the other graph.. I dont understand how the other guy could have such an insane amount of rage wasted

[harsh light]

Question for the homies, pushing to the 2300 realm, i see vids, tactyks, quazii, and lepans i feel a little tp spikey on damage ran a 17 jade, 16 av and felt real dk'ish hps got to 70k in 2 pulls, using general WH build except using shield wall cd reduction talent

[cinder storm]

Spell block and aegis

[uncut zephyr]

temple/av are going to clap you if you don't have spell block up, yeah

[cinder storm]

And ruby life pools, specially first boss will humble you

[frozen rose]

Does spell. Block help with first boss?

[cinder storm]

She does the ice claw thing on you, that wrecks

[harsh light]

Ok im not running SB, so just those And irks help me not sweat my balls off tryna be like a dk?

[pulsar sedge]

Ice claw is reflectable tho

[inland mesa]

What in AV needs spell block?

[cinder storm]

You wanna run it if you don't want to kite 5s into that pull

[mellow quartz]

what pull?

[cinder storm]

Mostly boss tank busters if you mess up your SR

[mellow quartz]

most important thing if you run the wowhead build is talent out of barbaric training

[cinder storm]

They are talking last pull temple

[harsh light]

I should probably look into kiting sometimes lol i haven't died on any pull ive done its just unnecessary imo to have to spam ip so much

[pulsar sedge]

THose nasty void claws? shudder

[cinder storm]

You use IP to not cap, you don't spam it

[pulsar sedge]

or dark claw or w.e they do lol

[mellow quartz]

don't kite unless you are looking to drop a debuff in hov or something specific

play double wall and spell block and you have abt 40s of CD's

[sick sentinel]

dark claw

[mellow quartz]

you can stun them as well

[harsh light]

I havent i feel like it'd kill me more than help i need rage for IP

[pallid quiver]

Every time you press IP, you get closer to another Avatar

[sinful root]

what are some of the best trinkets for prot ?

[frozen rose]

For trying to improve my dps for logs, is this logic right? Never cap rage. Priority is SS, then TC, lastly revenge. I just find I don’t but revenge as much as I’d like

[pallid quiver]

Grieftorch. Do it

[harsh light]

I really like the wall reduction over the double wall i usually have wall roughly every 1.5

[pallid quiver]

If your only focus is DPS, in big aoe you only Revenge/TC since Bloodsurge gives you the rafe you need

You lose out on HR benefits, though, so be careful

[harsh light]

Gonna add spell block instead of tough as nails hope that helps on those

[cinder storm]

Revenge has prio over TC in most scenarios, and you have to track your VO usage, most of the time you VO on SS

[harsh light]

Most other 17s ive ran havent seemed to bad

[cinder storm]

It will make a difference

[mellow quartz]

how much haste you got?

[cinder storm]

Wasn't there a post about a tank dying on temple 20 on Reddit looking how to survive?

Fotm players should at least read talents at least once

He was like, "what's spellblock"

[steel mauve]

why read talents when all you gotta do is push buttons?

[harsh light]

lol hope i dont sound that bad haha, yeah would for sure die on a 20 tho last pull is extra toxic, that was one i got to 70k on

[frozen rose]

@cinder storm VO?

[lyric geode]

I find ITF with execute build quite good for the raids

Lots of pumping

[steel mauve]

violent outburst @frozen rose

[lyric geode]

The co-tank cant hold aggro with battle stance.

[urban portal]

if your co tank cant hold aggro during execute

he needs a new computer

[cinder storm]

A new gaming chair

[harsh light]

its the only thing to press when your outta cds tho right? and SB is up and still on cd

alos aegis is better the wall?

[steel mauve]

revenge doesnt have acd

[urban portal]

wall is better

aegis is only good when you need to double cast wall within a short period of time

[harsh light]

i like wall allot, never used aegis so i didnt know, seen someone say earlier was curious

[pallid quiver]

IP has a cap, so

Spamming it doesn't maky you anymore defensive

It can only ever be 30% of your max HP

[steel mauve]

if you spam ip to not cap rage but overcap ip, then thats less dps you are doing since you're not spamming revenge and rage you're wasting since you are wasting absorbs on ip over capping, sure it still gets rage used to lower cd's, and buts also less efficient than more dmg

[harsh light]

nooo haha i know that, was just saying for those moments i feel spikey af, i was spamming IP cause it would keep me from dying

[cinder storm]

You spam revenge, use IP to avoid capping rage, it's fine if you press it here or there in a pack where there's mag dmg

Your 2 piece tier activates when you press revenge, so if you make a habit of it, you'll have an easier time later

[pallid quiver]

IP is also off the GCD, so if you have nothing else to press, you messed up somehow. It also dorsn't repleace defensive CDs, eother

[cinder storm]

Only time I mindlessly pressed ip was with 60 stacks of poison on tree boss on a 19, I survived that pull, key bricked tho

[sick sentinel]

We generate more aggro in battle stance correct?

[warm plinth]

No

I mean, technically I guess

Since you do more damage

[mellow quartz]

14% more

[warm plinth]

But there's no threat modifier or anything on it

[urban portal]

not your fault

[mellow quartz]

🙂

[steel mauve]

technically but just through more dps

[harsh light]

my lil ole stats, im good, maybe great on damage im 38-43k overall, but these 17s are hurting, was justy tryna make sure i can make the warrior homies look good

https://raider.io/characters/us/dalaran/Ikilyoufazt

[hushed harbor]

anybody know if the level of the Illimited Diamond used to make an elemental lariat matters? Do i need rank three to get the highest return or is that based on the skill of the crafter? huge gap between level 2 and 3 for cost.

[warm plinth]

The quality of materials on gear is purely used to determine how hard it will be for the crafter to guarantee the max ilevel for the craft.

[cinder storm]

Depends on crafter, mine said just get me rank 2

[warm plinth]

Most of the people I've gotten shit made from required rank 3 and even then some only had a chance to proc the highest rank

[sick sentinel]

Are prots grinding out the CoS trinket Whetstone?

[hushed harbor]

did you go through crafting orders or ask in chat?

[cinder storm]

Chat, we have a goated crafter in hyjal

He does it for as little as 50 gold

[warm plinth]

You have to use crafting orders for most items anyway.

Because some of the mats you supply (e.g. primal chaos) are BoP

[hushed harbor]

ah ok, but you contact them personally first, and then put in an order

[cinder storm]

Ask trade chat which one is the best crafter for lariat

There's one in illidan called Lariatbot

Hyjal is Captsnuggs

That's all I know

[hushed harbor]

thanks, appreciated. i dont think i am linked to either of those but ill give it a shot!

[cinder storm]

You'll have one that people will refer you to if you ask in trade chat

Hopefully it's going to be one of those who asks for whatever tip you can give

[warm plinth]

yeah because if you do public orders, you can't request certain quality items. Personal you can

[cinder storm]

The crafter quest where you have to convince a guy to put in a personal order explains it quite nicely lol

It was a nice touch from blizz

[warm plinth]

Not sure if I've done that

[hushed harbor]

yes yes reading mmmhmm

[warm plinth]

I don't read quest text though so

🤷

[cinder storm]

Me neither, just read that one because a friend told me so

[inland mesa]

You use rank 3 to make the base item, and then rank 2 to fish for procs. Unless the crafter is bad you don't need to do rank 3 more than once

[harsh light]

Preciate the advice og's catch yah later

[cinder storm]

The ring more than the trinket

[icy adder]

Are we tank swapping somehow for P1 on heroic broodkeeper?

[broken jewel]

I haven't been

Some people are 3 tanking but its not that good

[slim dove]

I haven't. Easy enough to swap I guess as add tank is running around but I cba doing anything on that fight besides moving from eggs to eggs

[limber flame]

ye ive just been solo tanking boss

[wet crow]

how much value in ilvl would you guys say the cobalt defensive/offensive rings would be?

[mortal brook]

The debuff doesn't last long enough that you need to taunt during P1

[wet crow]

i just grinded it but didnt realize it dropped so muchs econdary stat 😦

not even sure if it's good for keys which is what i do primarily cause it looks like the dmg proc is just ST? not sure though

[frozen rose]

@cinder storm in what scenario does revenge have priority over thunder? In all situations?

[fading tide]

What are the best embellishments to put on your weapon?

[scenic burrow]

anyone still have a 60 talent build for leveling via dungeons?

[honest vale]

Maybe passively?

I wouldn't actively go for Whetstone.

[warm plinth]

fanged adornment I guess if you really need one (it's not great). Or you can put the food buff one on there.

Whetstone is stronk

[honest vale]

I'd happily hand Whetstone over to one of my deeps instead of taking it for myself. The mastery proc just isn't tasteful enough for me -- if only it were crit. 😭

Or even a randomized secondary stat proc.

[warm plinth]

It's not a mastery proc, wdym

It's static mastery with a huge damage on-use effect

[honest vale]

Sorry, not proc, but the mastery stat on it.

[fading tide]

So it’s fang or food is best

[warm plinth]

seems like a pretty good trinket to me idk. This was on a 16 TJS on my rogue. I'm not saying it's the best trinket in the world but if your only option is dungeon trinkets, it's definitely a good option.

[honest vale]

If I'm in a pug and it drops, I'd happily take it depending on my trinkets, but in a core group, that trinket has so many better homes than on a prot warrior. It's certainly an A-tier trinket for damage, so if that's what you're trying to get more of, it's certainly one of the best in that category.

[hollow heron]

what is the best budget wep enchant vers or haste?

[honest vale]

You have so many other ways to get vers and haste. I'd go Sophic Writ and call it a day. More strength is always good.

[hollow heron]

ok ty

[prime robin]

Bad is the wrong word but how much am i losing tanking exclusively in D stance in medium/higher keys. Around 16 and 17 range. I just still feel more comfortable not worrying about swapping. But if it really is a big issue long term I'll get some practice.

[mellow quartz]

14%

[coarse flower]

Anyone know what the best talent build for high m+? I’m seeing so many builds atm

[mighty valley]

there's not really an agreed-on "best"

the all-purpose build in pins is fine, spell block is good in some dungeons, some high pushers like the safety of BSV

[mighty valley]

yeah you're losing ~14% dps. at that key level it's unlikely that your personal dps is making or breaking the key. but thinking about stance swapping should also help you learn which pulls are dangerous and which aren't

[fading tide]

My group went 8 seconds past time a 16 Jade temple. This year sucks already

[sleek current]

Tragic

[mighty valley]

over here in california we're clinging on to the old year

[prisma crane]

darkmoon fair is cucking me

should be open 36 min ago!

[compact jackal]

Belt > Bracers for the next 418 right?

[sick sentinel]

best teir seet for us warrior port?

[prime owl]

The mythic one

[stuck basin]

the belt is only strong with the rings from raid - would go weapon neck shild for the first 3 if you dont have one of the rings already

[frozen rose]

Why revenge over thunderclap? Folks ?

[cinder storm]

You don't want to use violent outburst on TC if you smash it like we used to in bfa, you press revenge because it does damage, it's a good spender, your two piece work with revenge

You use TC to spread rend

[compact jackal]

Good thing I had a 405 belt for my 408 ring 🙂

[pallid quiver]

unless you've got like 10 people around you

send VO on TC away if damage is all you care about, then

[compact jackal]

ngl I hate keeping up the 2 set

[urban portal]

FYI revenge does just as much damage as TC now

after all the nerfs and shiz

41 vs 42 ap

[compact jackal]

I get like 60% uptime in m+

[cinder storm]

Right, but you also want to ensure you have your tier uptime high enough

[urban portal]

yea

keeping rend and tier active are important

[chrome kernel]

can you still do spell reflect on nokduh offensive on raging tempest i just tried it and he smacked me and killed me did i get fixed?

[cinder storm]

I tried it today and it sure worked

[chrome kernel]

you just step away from boss and reflect the cast?

[cinder storm]

Yes

[chrome kernel]

hmm ill try it again then weird that he dint cast and smacked me instead

[cinder storm]

When you get the blue circle and you need to grab balls that's a good place to try it, since balls can explode before you even get a chance to use it

[compact jackal]

Why is Draenei the best 🤔

[chrome kernel]

ill try it when i get circles then

[ebon geyser]

happy new year clappers

[wanton shale]

happy NY

is there any situation where manual devastate is better than the auto devastator talent?

[cinder storm]

Happy new year

[cinder storm]

It's good to have one less button to presz

[wanton shale]

on ST/MT/etc, the damage and rage generation is basically the same so never worth hassling over 1 more button?

[urban portal]

Never manual devastate

It’s because if gcds are filled, we don’t want to be casting a weak spell

[wanton shale]

and for shield charge - it gives more utility and defensive value when we first engage the pack, but the 20% bleed from bloodborne would prolly net more total dmg over a dungeon right?

so much of our dmg is from the bleeds it seems

[urban portal]

No blood borne is weak

The math is pretty solved

both of the questions you asked are essentially math questions

Which is easily answered by a sim

[wanton shale]

ahh ok i'll throw them in dungeon slice raidbots and see what spits out

[lone eagle]

Draenei is based

[mighty valley]

based on what?

[lone eagle]

main stat, best mogs with that barrel chest on the males, Gift of the Naaru is off GCD, based on your max hp at time of cast (so Last Stand + GotN with decent crit chance is basically a 50% heal on a DPS over 5 seconds)

Based on DN

[compact jackal]

I play female draenei 🙂

[modern brook]

Of course

[mighty valley]

i play female nightborne. it's basically the best prot warrior race, on account of the uh. +5 to inscription

[mortal brook]

Female goblin cuz the passion is real

[lone eagle]

Do I swap my Zanda warr

to Highmountain for Charge/good racials/decent mogs

or to Panda for psychopathy

How are panda prot animations tbh

[cinder storm]

Swapping from ztroll?

Everyone knows ztroll are full of gigachads

[lone eagle]

bored and figure I'll swap things around

[cinder storm]

I don't like vulpera much, their yelling is high pitched for me

[lone eagle]

feel like an overwhelming majority of threatening damage this xpac for pwar is magic anyway which happens later in pulls usually

so nose for trouble doesn't seem like it does much tbh

• less multipack pulls where Nose was kind of nice to have while rounding up packs since it basically invalidated the first round of swings from each pack

[cinder storm]

Racials are not really going to make or break a key unless you are pushing ultra high keys

As for mog I don't like taurens much

[lone eagle]

True, but it was also the best argument for Vulpera

without that they doody and look dumb

[cinder storm]

Yeah

What about undeads? Haven't played one of those as warrior

[mortal brook]

Alright guys my raid leader told us all to race change to Vulpera for 1% fire resistance on Kurog Grimtotem prog. I hate foxes but I spent the $15 to be a team player. But when I showed up to raid I was the only fox and it was apparently all a joke on me. My wife will not let me spend more money to change back and I’m worried if I refund the service they will ban my account. Now they are calling me a furry and I hate myself. What are my options?

[cinder storm]

Holy fuck

That's like the best pasta

[drifting tinsel]

im pretty much using a standard build but i miss using intervene, am i losing a lot if i drop something like pain and gain for it?

[spice rivet]

i think the only use of intervene

[cinder storm]

It can have value on AV last boss

[spice rivet]

is cancelling out the scent of blood in Halls of Valor

[sick current]

Happy new year guys

If I am doing only m+, not raids.. do I want to get the same items? Neck,Shield,weapon?

from my sparks

[mortal brook]

Largely yep. Frostfire Belt is an enabler for raid rings so you can miss that

[hazy sluice]

Wait, do i never ever use violent outburst on TC due to slam generating more rage ?

Why does it work for both then in the first place, noob trap or what ?

[stoic elm]

guys what are the best items to get crafted?

i already have lariat

the other 2 craft what can i get

[oak echo]

weapon/shield are gonna be the 2 most impactful. frostfire belt also a good choice esp if you have one of the fire dam rings from raid

[wanton shale]

we get our next spark 2 tuesdays from now right?

[silk cliff]

correct

[mighty valley]

if the pull is pretty big, the extra damage from TC can be worth the rage loss.. depends on if you're in avatar or not

[sick current]

dang, well i will just pick up the shield/weapon as I already made the neck

if im doing exclusively m+, which embellishments do you think are best for the shield/weap

one other thing, is this similar to guardian druid if im doing m+ only.. do I want to change my loot spec to arms or fury

[tulip kelp]

Do people kite the little adds on tree boss?

[hazy sluice]

Block CDs if necessary and rotate stuns worked so far for me

[lyric aurora]

All embellishments are basically around 1% dps, so pick whatever

[sick current]

thanks oraangeorange 🙂

[median tulip]

No. I get my party to group up so they are easy to grab, and either blow defensives or (preferably) externals. The easiest way to do it is a Shaman's Earth Elemental, which makes them trivial.

[high drum]

last boss tjs add phase too

[solemn juniper]

Who is a good prot warrior to watch on YouTube?

[wind oak]

Nerftank

not sure if he has a youtube

but he is on twitch

its NerfTankTV on twitch

[solemn juniper]

Thank you 🙏

[unreal lily]

Tactyks has a really good YouTube channel too. He explains routes and mechanics for every dungeon and raid

[brave portal]

Quazii is also real good. He does a lot of YT stuff, streams on twitch. Does 1 min tips etc.

[bold turret]

Plka on YouTube, also on twitch

Dropped some 20+ keys

[deft hazel]

what key levels were you all doing around 391?

[steady steppe]

Didn't realise I couldn't have 2 embellishments in hand and offhand

[tepid niche]

hi, has anyone got any tips for the trash before last boss in temple, I got smashed got over 260k from it 3 times in a row lol obviously missing something and none of the dungeons guides have this trash pack in

[steady steppe]

It just depends on ur skill

[steady steppe]

Spell reflect spell block dark claw

Try cc them as much as u can

[tepid niche]

is that from the smaller ones?

the 3 smaller mobs

[steady steppe]

Can't remember which ones cast it but it will 1shot u

[tepid niche]

yeah it hurts like abitch, ill have a look again thanks

[potent gulch]

Chain stuns use cds out if cds kite

[limber galleon]

I was 387 yesterday, did academy and valor 16 did not die so it went ok

[pine burrow]

does prot ever slams ?

[wind oak]

never

[pine burrow]

and rend ?

[errant marsh]

never, thunderclap wiil aplly it

[blazing condor]

(if you got blood and thunder talented)

[limpid anchor]

What about whirlwind

It’s 360

[mortal brook]

@scenic flume

[stuck basin]

whirlwind cost more rage for less dmg then revenge - not worth using

[limpid anchor]

But it hits the mobs in your back

Isn’t that more overall damage then

[dusky igloo]

You should never have mobs at your back 😛

[scenic flume]

[mortal brook]

[limpid anchor]

But doesn’t it give more rage

If you get hit in the back

[loud patrol]

for that i have my second shield in my back

[zealous grove]

Any tips for last boss AV on a high key? Just did it on a 20 and it felt FARKIN hard (bricked the key)

[limpid anchor]

Kite on the outside

Ask for dispell, use jump smartly

Sr

Not much else you can do

[steady steppe]

While u have thundering u can't be slowed

Tank boss closer to the wall to reduce crystal spawn area

[prisma arch]

How can Vers not be best stats since it gives u better survivability?

[steady steppe]

All stats give u survivability

[steel mauve]

haste allows for more rage gen and more uptime on defensive abilities, crit gives parry, plus a lot of dps so stuff dies quicker, mastery gives high block chance and a smal amount of dps, and vers offers both dps and survivability at a smaller increase per point

[spice radish]

is this supposed to happen?

waist is the same item just 3 ilvl lower

[severe hatch]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=76857/mastery-critical-block

[graceful cobalt]

hi what is better howling rune or the new stones?

[spice radish]

for M+ at least, stones should give you an edge

better for aggro as well

[graceful cobalt]

thx

[tulip kelp]

What stones are these

[spice radish]

or

[tulip kelp]

Ahh word cool thanks

[gleaming crest]

How do you guys start your pulls defensively?

[rough egret]

Shiled block

[lone eagle]

Def stance if it's a multi pack big pull roundup (HoV first pull). Once SB is up and you are situated, shield wall b stance and dump all your offensive CDs

Otherwise press W and charge in and mash buttons on every pack, barring a couple exceptions pwar pretty immortal rn

[prisma arch]

So you always wanna stay in Bstance during ur cds, even if its huge pulls?

[lone eagle]

If something can kill you in that pull, hot swap d-stance for it

Lightning breath from dragon for example hurts

But you want to avoid having to be in d-stance during your avatar ravager demon shout dragon roar shield charge combo

[prisma arch]

Just started tanking 2 weeks ago, so i only do 19s. Still not entirely sure how to jinx it to get the most output

[lone eagle]

Put stance swap on a convenient bind, practice playing in b-stance by default and use d-stance like a defensive CD

[warm plinth]

You should be in battle stance unless you need to be in defensive stance is the short version. Best to start off just using defensive stance as kind of a defensive cooldown.

Use it for the dangerous tank busters, mobs that fuck you up (e.g. dark claw mobs in TJS), etc.

[lone eagle]

And you can use other defensives to buy you windows to dump things in b-stance on difficult pulls

[prisma arch]

yea okay... especially got a lot of problem setting up pulls without getting chunked for 70% of my Hp and dps getting aggro

[lone eagle]

The only mob I honestly have decided I almost Perma d stance is the battle-axes in AA on fort week

Their bleed hurts ludicrously bad

Only thing I've ever died to on my pwar that I felt was like "what the fuck was that"

[prisma arch]

The guy with the blue Aura in the room of 2nd boss in Azure vault fucks me up so bad idk

[tacit gorge]

how u guys pull the first 3 packs in AV this week? u pull them back because the little dragon is flying around or where are u fighting thisv

[median tulip]

Run thru the first room while the whelp isn't there, get into the hallway beyond and kill things there

the go thru onto the balcony, kill there, then jump down

[lone eagle]

You can pull the 2nd set of 4 plants, kick them then drop down and they will snap to you into the boss room

[cerulean musk]

Do you guys have a macro for decoration of flame? Or has its own bind?

[tacit gorge]

nice thank you

this with jumping down i need to try

i had a few dps they pull the little dragons every time i played this dungeon

[median tulip]

do /use 13 or /use 14, depending on which trinket slot you have it in

[cerulean musk]

And do you combine that with other abilities or just on its own? We already have so many binds!

[median tulip]

I don't think any class abilities affect trinket damage

[cerulean musk]

No it’s more about reducing binds, I was thinking maybe adding it to Roar

[lone eagle]

Trinket should be it's own bind

[cerulean musk]

Okay

[lone eagle]

Certain things affect trinkets

Debuffs on enemies that increase damage taken usually do

Brew Weapons of Order for example

For that reason I think Demo does as well

W/ BV

[warm plinth]

It does not

[lone eagle]

Rough

[warm plinth]

The vast majority of abilities cast by players that increase damage are "whitelisted" meaning they affect a fixed list of spells.

[lone eagle]

WoO for Brew definitely does unless the DF iteration changed it

[median tulip]

I usually prefer stat-buff use trinkets, or total passives

[warm plinth]

It's possible. It doesn't show that it's whitelisted on wowhead.

[lone eagle]

Used to abuse the hell out of that when Brew parse monkeying in SL

[tired pivot]

hey, do we ever use Wrecking Throw in m+?

it seems pretty interesting

[warm plinth]

There's not really any use cases where it would be worth it in keys.

[lone eagle]

Not in M+ I don't think except maybe in RLP it might be worth since there are a lot of shields?

Only if you don't have a hunter lmao

[tired pivot]

maybe for first boss?

yeah fair

tho I will most likely not have hunters

[lone eagle]

It's super useful in raid though on Rasza

[rough egret]

Can crafted gear be transformed to tier?

When catalist be available?

[mortal brook]

one person is gonna find out for all of us in 3 weeks

[steady steppe]

I don't think so but not 100%

[rough egret]

Alright 🙂

[formal grail]

So we are supposed to be in battle stance most of the time? Dps meters will be even more fun then 😅

[blazing condor]

yeh

use defensive stance when needed

then when not needed you switch back

[formal grail]

Aight, is there a list with the real dangerous things? Dark claw is definitely rough and so is that stupid heal absorb on jade phase -.-

[blazing condor]

no list cus many variables that can determine if something is dangerous or not

mostly comes down to experience

but yeah dark claw and jade boss can hurt

[formal grail]

Alright! I’m just a smol warr tank but dipping my toes into 14-15s atm with a healer who hasn’t got much m+ exp

[solar blade]

just practice and learn, 14-15s are perfect for that since its a generous difficulty which can still be punishable if you (or your group) plays it wrong

in the packs where you know the dark claw shaw comes up you just pop reflect or wall it (like last pack 2x claw), you have to kitr these groups anyway since you cant outrange an already casted claw you gotta kite and make sure they dont even cast it since its only casted in melee range to the tank; also try putting ip over revenge and have much less trouble

spell block makes certain dungeons a trip to the park, especially tjs

[formal grail]

Yeah I have the reflect WA but I want to try and remember as well what I can reflect

[blazing condor]

the more you play the easier it'll be

experience is pog

[indigo lotus]

I've got Ruby Whelp Shell on prot warrior which status should I use, buff secondary stats or random dmg proc?

[livid aurora]

Can anyone explain how the m+ rating works exactly? Like say I have CoS14 during fortified and CoS4 during tyrannical fortified. How much score will be added when doing the 4 on 14?

[blazing condor]

you mean tyrannical?

[livid aurora]

Yes

[blazing condor]

or you talking 2 fortified keys

[livid aurora]

No no, my mistake 😛

[blazing condor]

they divide fort and tyrannical keys and simply just add the points to a total

for example my SBG fort is a 17 giving me 152,6 score - and my best SBG tyrannical is a 13 that gives me 123,6 score

hmm but my total rating for my SBG in general is 290,7

so i suppose they add some base score to it as well

then it just increases with keystone level

[edgy grail]

Jesus lol