im mean not pressing SS enough
#protection
jagged pier
sick sentinel
if your doing your part you DR as much of those as possible, block, ip, cd's etc, thats more and more time of the fight healer is free to do beneficial things, cuz now 400k is hitting you for 150k or as little as 75k
icy citrus
So basically, take some rage from IP to Revenge and faster SS casts?
warm plinth
Well, if you're not pressing revenge enough, it means you get a lot less chances for SS resets (because IP doesn't reset SS)
So it's kind of a vicious cycle
Ignore Pain should really only be pressed if revenge isn't enough to prevent rage capping (obviously if you're taking a tank buster or something, you might want to press it more, but that's the general rule)
old sinew
So it's kind of a vicious cycle
this is why the first boss of RLP is kind of spicy for me. I kind of feel obligated to keep at least some IP value up for every single shard but its tough, and you can get in a death spiral if you repeatedly hit IP instead of using revenges.
I gotten to the point where I wall pretty early on since you get 2 per fight anyways so I can wall and then spam revenge instead of getting into a habit of spending on IPs
reflect is good but you only reflect like 1 in 4 casts
sick sentinel
i don't even understand whats supposeds to kill you on the final boss of RLP
on a 15
im more scared of the middle of the dungeon ring with the dragons and then the kinda scary boss
that boss has fucked over more of my keys than any final boss
warm plinth
So basically, take some rage from IP to Revenge and faster SS casts?
You should also not really be using Barbaric Training. I know it's still in a couple of the guides, but it makes Revenge a less efficient spender (as far as damage per rage goes) and can make rage management harder.
sick sentinel
TLDR barbaric training= bad fucks up rotation
icy citrus
You should also not really be using Barbaric Training. I know it's still in a c...
Well i definitely agree on this. I didnt use it on beta and even on few first weeks of Live, but then i somehow came across of advice to take it from some high end player. And if you telling me this now, it seems i was right earlier when i didnt took it. Its much more screwed rotation regarding rage spending.
warm plinth
Yeah, like think about it; you get 25% more revenge damage but it costs 50% more rage
sick sentinel
i've been big chilling with spell block and trying to see if its something i want to run default or not
seems really good to me
about a week, guess you could say its pretty serious
warm plinth
I'm happy for you two yogi
sick sentinel
its like this thing i never really knew i needed
old sinew
i've been big chilling with spell block and trying to see if its something i wan...
I need to try spell block out more tbh. It seems like I should absolutely be running it in at least TJS and maybe even RLP
warm plinth
Yeah, those are both commonly recommended for Spell Block dungeons
Also comes in handy on high tyr HoV for shield of light
lyric geode
Also comes in handy on high tyr HoV for shield of light
Don't you spell reflect?
old sinew
It only reduces by 20%
You can't actually reflect the whole thing
it doesn't reflect/deflect you just get the benefit of the passive DR
warm plinth
Yeah it's just reduction. And Spell Block is more reduction
lyric geode
I understand. Isn't capped IP plus spell reflect going to save you?
icy citrus
Yeah, like think about it; you get 25% more revenge damage but it costs 50% more...
I just realised how much easier it is to maintain 2-set buff without that Barbaric training talent.
mystic radish
Heya I was wondering what should I prio to keep up all the time. Shield Block or Ignore Pain
warm plinth
Shield Block
old sinew
I just have a bad habit of rarely looking at my build because A) shadowlands mindset of absolute best build for all keys and B) I don't want to get in the habit of blaming build if I played badly
lyric geode
At 17 HoV it feels manageable
warm plinth
That's why I said higher tyrannical keys
lyric geode
Ok
old sinew
absolutely shield block. Its a DPS gain to keep shield block up and also comparable mitigation with WAY less upkeep
warm plinth
If it's manageable at the key level you're doing, then don't use it
lyric geode
What I find disgusting is the first boss in ruby.
old sinew
that's what I was saying
That's why I'm looking at spell block - I derped out and assumed her shard was physical, like the last boss of NEcrotic wake
errant sedge
Is Alchemical Flavor Pocket count as an embellished item ?
lyric geode
Pure enjoyment.
warm plinth
No
old sinew
I know this is a Warrior discord and not Bear, but speaking of magic damage, I still can't believe bears don't have Mark Of Ursol
Do you just like... die if you're a bear to this type of stuff?
warm plinth
RIP mark of ursol :pepehands:
Nah they do actually have a lot of defensives
And they have more HP than we do
lyric geode
Also, I want to ask another thing. In 11 keys and up, you have the option to get primal infusions. When do you have an increased infusion? I mean instead of going to mythic raid, on what key level it dropps?
warm plinth
16+
old sinew
16 so very easy tbh. 16 is basically 15s if you want to do Weekly No Leavers for Mythic ilvl gear
lyric geode
I mean, it is quite doable.
full violet
I feel Like in HoV need to Double pull First 2 packs with BL to time 20+, but pugs keep dying to it. Whats your experience guys?
lyric geode
Ah, is the item that needs 10 of those to assemble?
old sinew
yes
edgy grail
I pull everything up to the dragon
warm plinth
Yeah, 10 of the concentrated primal focus and 150 primal chaos
old sinew
I feel Like in HoV need to Double pull First 2 packs with BL to time 20+, but pu...
don't die
wary bough
any idea how to survive last trash pack in temple ? i can hold out a few Claws, but so far i always died on that pack :S
lyric geode
Yep, I didnt bother click on it.
ionic fern
any idea how to survive last trash pack in temple ? i can hold out a few Claws, ...
Rotate CD's.
SW->SR/DS->Spell Block.
Kite the rest.
old sinew
I feel Like in HoV need to Double pull First 2 packs with BL to time 20+, but pu...
what do DPS die to on 1st pull?
ionic fern
what do DPS die to on 1st pull?
On 20s? Thunderbolts
Frontals.
They don't interrupt.
full violet
Casts and frontals.
mystic radish
With SB on Prio 1 and IP on Prio 2 it feels like im getting smashed. Other way around it feels much better. What am I doin wrong then?
hazy sluice
Why not both ?
old sinew
I mean, what does he want to hear? Yes, DPS are bad about keeping thunder bolt and etch on lockdown. It's a rough key. DPS brain
warm plinth
Uh, I'm not sure what you mean by prio 1 and prio 2
IP is not a priority. It's a rage dump. Shield Block should have virtually 100% uptime
full violet
I mean, what does he want to hear? Yes, DPS are bad about keeping thunder bolt a...
I asked If you feel its timeable in 20s with 2 pulls
lyric geode
IP is not a priority. It's a rage dump. Shield Block should have virtually 100...
True, but if you are in a boss like on the first boss on ruby in tyrinnical?
ionic fern
I asked If you feel its timeable in 20s with 2 pulls
If you skip that pull you either need really solid DPS'ers or big pulls elsewhere.
old sinew
I asked If you feel its timeable in 20s with 2 pulls
Oh you mean splitting the first pull into 2 and not lusting, on Fort? I think that's a big time loss in a timer that's very tight
warm plinth
He wasn't asking about specific bosses. He was asking about fundamentals.
mystic radish
He wasn't asking about specific bosses. He was asking about fundamentals.
yep thanks
warm plinth
Yeah tbh I think blizz was a bit heavy handed with the HoV timer cut
lyric geode
I think 45 minutes was before the timer.
old sinew
DPS just need to rise up and stop being shitty. I feel like it's just objectively wrong to say "DPS are shit so I'm going to int by not pulling the way I need to". You gotta do what you gotta do and hope the DPS aren't dog ass, that's my take.
lyric geode
Back in Legion.
warm plinth
Yeah they cut 7 mins off
lyric geode
Why?
old sinew
It definitely need smore time. I said Azure Vault needs 2 more minutes and Halls needs 3 more
warm plinth
Because they reduced thea mount of trash a bit
mystic radish
Furthermore I am told to not use Defensive stance after the nerf.
This weak it feels like I have to stay in there all the time execpt boss pulls. (talking about keys 15-18)
mystic radish
Furthermore I am told to not use Defensive stance after the nerf.
This weak it ...
402 ilvl
warm plinth
But then they did dumb shit like making you kill an extra dragon (skippable I've heard but never seen a pug smart enough to do it)
You also can't do the wolf cheese anymore
jagged pier
Furthermore I am told to not use Defensive stance after the nerf.
This weak it ...
logs sounds like your playing incorrectly
ionic fern
Furthermore I am told to not use Defensive stance after the nerf.
This weak it ...
Definitely not.
warm plinth
which was a staple of high HoV keys back in the day
jagged pier
but cant tell u without logs
full violet
I just wanna time it one time actually
lyric geode
But then they did dumb shit like making you kill an extra dragon (skippable I've...
It was skippable in Legion. I think you need a inv pot for that.
warm plinth
Yeah in legion it spawned on the side, not in the middle
ionic fern
It was skippable in Legion. I think you need a inv pot for that.
Trigger the "dragon RP" by walking slightly forward and then back off again not to aggro it.
Wait for it to land.
Hug the right side to skip it.
warm plinth
No, Fenryr is the same except for Claw Frenzy's visual
lyric geode
I don't remember claw frenzy being in Legion.
mystic radish
Definitely not.
Not true or dont be in def stance execpt special situations where I swap to def and back to battle after huge dmg
warm plinth
It was in Legion; it just didn't have an animation that was that obvious
lyric geode
Trigger the "dragon RP" by walking slightly forward and then back off again not ...
Thank you.
jagged pier
i was in b stance for all of 18 temple i pugged this morning
mystic radish
Then I might be the problem
jagged pier
as I said
we need logs
u arent playing correctly
but we cant tell u how without logs
warm plinth
What I can tell you
is I have a very particular set of skills
Skills that I have acquired over a very long career
Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you
lyric geode
Then I might be the problem
Judges of discord should determine your punishment of not playing well.
mystic radish
Would really appreciate you having a look at my logs and help me 🙂 @jagged pier I quickly download sth to log the next key
forest lantern
I would welcome any feedback from my logs if possible. I've just read that barbaric training shouldn't be taken so i've swapped that out, and i suspect I'm using ignore pain too much. a log from a temple 16 i timed this morning - https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cW67xTDN2Y9JFGkv#fight=1&type=damage-done
mystic radish
Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you
You play with brain? I can barely do this tho 😄 😉
lyric geode
This is why, I dont upload logs into the channel. I would embarrass myself showing the world my attrocious 75% Shield block uptime.
warm plinth
tbf we're generally very polite about people wanting to improve. We only make fun of the logs if it's the old "guys can you look at my co-tank's logs"
lyric geode
tbf we're generally very polite about people wanting to improve. We only make f...
Look at my friend's logs.
I swear, it isnt me.
warm plinth
😂
lyric geode
I think, he is playing very good. What do you think?
north dew
Hello Guys. Which trinkets would you recommend for Protection Warrior? i am playing only Mythic+
lyric geode
Dps ones.
old sinew
tbf we're generally very polite about people wanting to improve. We only make f...
I'm still mind blown about that Mythic Sire D log where the PWAr had 10% shield block uptime, actually insane
warm plinth
😂
lyric geode
I'm still mind blown about that Mythic Sire D log where the PWAr had 10% shield ...
10%
?!?!
old sinew
yeah this was a thing a while back
warm plinth
I heard his healers left the guild after and joined a convent to pray for peace
hushed harbor
Hey all. I’m running prot in keys and fury in raid. I want to make a lariat…. Opinion on best secondaries to cover both so I don’t need to make 2? Or am I kinda boned since their top secondary stats are opposite. Thanks.
hazy sluice
Where do I find blocked hits % in logs?
hazy sluice
Ok not possible on smartphone I guess ?
warm plinth
no, warcraftlogs in general works pretty shitty on phones
hazy sluice
Fml
warm plinth
u hover over the hits column
Is the bar including parried/dodged attacks in the calculation or something?
warm plinth
hazy sluice
Was my first academy + 15 with randoms so I was pretty nervous and have fucked up a lot maybe
Ah ok. So I want 100% there
Thx
warm plinth
Yeah ideally as close to 100% as you can get
hazy sluice
Maybe I get there when I switch from ITF
I don't like kiting and didn't do so a lot if I felt like i can take the dmg in melee with no sb rdy
warm plinth
Kiting is not really something you should have to do on a prot warrior, except like...the trash at the end of temple possibly
lyric geode
How derps the adds are in there?
hazy sluice
Yeah that one worked so far with double SW and spell block build
jagged pier
I would welcome any feedback from my logs if possible. I've just read that barba...
your general casts are all a bit low, your blocked hits are a bit low, and your wasting a fair bit of rage
jagged pier
there is no punishment
he didnt say 'im playing perfectly and pressing my buttons correctly'
lusty tiger
What is the punishment <@179993058186625025> ?
Sub pink parses
hazy sluice
Yo @jagged pier can u look at my log too ?
Also the academy above if u have the time and motivation
I wanna see if I am under pressure what i do especially wrong to improve from there
And in these two i was kind of stressed
jagged pier
well why are u running barbaric and bloodborune those talents are aweful
hazy sluice
Wanted only to switch to double shield wall and spell block and took a template I saved weeks ago for a raid
jagged pier
blocked hits a bit low
jagged pier
why are running barbaric and bloodborne in raid?
lyric geode
And the pug was stressing me to go gogoogo
If they stress you, just sleep to assert dominance.
hazy sluice
Again, don't look at those talents I fucked those up. The academy talents are the ones I run
hazy sluice
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4hPVCNqzXFxnQaB2#fight=2&type=auras&source=...
These here
There I didn't try to make last second changes where my whole tree got deleted and I panic took a random template and overlooked wrong picks.
I wanna know the big misplays besides my talent choice pls 🙂
civic raft
somebody know how to change this aura to show only icon when mob cast on me?
icon of sr
hazy sluice
Appreciate your feedback @jagged pier 🙂 so I gotta look more into less rage wasting and more blocking. Maybe I switch from ITF to HR tomorrow, that should do the trick a bit.
amber oasis
which m+ instances is the best for the spell block? Ruby maybe, heavy magic dmg, another?
fading tide
The poison debuff on the tree boss gets removed when the healing tree dies?
gritty glen
20% magic damage reduction on a 20s CD is great
That's spell reflect, not spell block
strong forum
which m+ instances is the best for the spell block? Ruby maybe, heavy magic dmg...
RLP, azure vault and temple
amber oasis
thanks
marble cipher
I haven't specced into spell block at all so far, up to +16 keys, am I inting cause I don't spec into it for certain dungeons?
amber oasis
honestly sometimes i feel useless this spell block ability
strong forum
I haven't specced into spell block at all so far, up to +16 keys, am I inting ca...
No
strong forum
honestly sometimes i feel useless this spell block ability
Because extremely often, it is
It's extremely powerful and extremely useless
marble cipher
pfew
strong forum
The use case of spellblock is when you need to rotate big CDs to survive hit X
When hit X occurs more often than once a minute
marble cipher
makes sense, I'll probably know it, when I feel it (the moment I should think about taking spell block for certain instances)
inland raft
Last trash pull of temple, what do you usually rotate to live there? That pack slaps hard
marble cipher
everything 😄
trim hill
Kite after cds
strong forum
When you run out of CDs, kite
marble cipher
I usually stay in, pop a lot of stuff, make sure to spell reflect dark claw (bonus if you get them to sync up), then leap, run and scream
strong forum
Temple is a key where you go full turtle, and play spell Block + Defenders Aegis
old sinew
That pull gives me flashbacks to SL S1. Pop big stuff, get threat, and then use the joestar secret technique, kekw
strong forum
Smokey
old sinew
😆
inland raft
Always forget about swapping to aegis
marble cipher
I'm gonna assume Aegis too is only for like 18+ or higher?
strong forum
Aegis, just like spell Block, is only useful if you need SW back to back
marble cipher
fair
mystic radish
Looked at some other logs and saw the buff "into the fray" where do I get this? Dont find it
strong forum
It's a talent
inland raft
Gotta talent into it instead of hr
strong forum
Competing with heavy repercussions
old sinew
What keys do you run Aegis? Also TJS/RLP?
strong forum
Only temple
mystic radish
Competing with heavy repercussions
is it worth taking?
inland raft
At high enough haste i think?
mystic radish
I have 30% haste
strong forum
Around 30% haste unbuffed it's playable yea
But playing HR is much safer
And not much of a dmg loss
old sinew
So if you want double wall for the last pull, doe sthat means you only wall one time on 3rd boss?
old sinew
or do you use 2 walls on 3rd boss and then only 1 on last pull before kiting?
@strong forum
inland raft
Personally ill prob use hr until pushing like 35+ unbuffed rather play it safe then squeeze out tiniest bit more damage
strong forum
or do you use 2 walls on 3rd boss and then only 1 on last pull before kiting?
I don't plan it out like that
Whatever is up I use
inland raft
Whats the consensus on thunderlord vs battering ram in keys?
old sinew
I don't plan it out like that
Okay cool, thanks.
mystic radish
according to subcreation ppl tend to play tl instead of ram x: any reason except ppls just copy builds?
jagged pier
because like the shockwave build ppl think its far better then is actually is
old sinew
huh? Are you saying shockwave by itself is overrated, or do you mean ppl put more talent points into improving it?
brave portal
shockwave build (so people using talent points to put into it, like 350% crit etc)
brave portal
Its extremely good yes
edgy grail
Right that wasn’t the discussion
high drum
I personally see extremely little value in TL in keys
thunderlord sucks
cos it means u arent using it with shield charge
if u actually use the cdr
only good if ur using demo as a defensive i guess
without boomer
but why would u do that
rough egret
So ram is more dmg?
high drum
ram is a lot of st
mystic radish
Anything you would change for m+?
warm plinth
Intervene is amazing for Fenryr scent of blood; will completely absorb the damage from them so they can keep DPSing
fierce geyser
Yeah, leap cd should be taken out. I like reducing the cd of pummel because I have little faith others will interrupt
high drum
yea
stable valve
Really want to use battering ram, but I’ve been using disrupting shout and it’s so so good
high drum
intervene is good in a lot of places
warm plinth
Leap CD is great when you don't need Intervene
Honed Instincts is really meh
Or whatever the hell the pummel CDR thing is
high drum
Really want to use battering ram, but I’ve been using disrupting shout and it’s ...
only place ive been using disrupt is
heroic storm boss
really good for when u land on plaform
mystic radish
Honed Instincts is really meh
honed reflexes
strong forum
stable valve
heroic storm boss
That’s where I started using it and fell in love
strong forum
on 5 targets, 5 minutes
battering ram is more dmg than thunderlord
so yeah, TL is just worse in every way
strong forum
yeah dont think so either mwahi
pretty sure youd get alot more rage from battering ram
rough egret
Demo shout more often is defense
strong forum
getting a bit extra uptime on demo shout i dont think outweighs the consistent rage gen from battering ram
inland raft
More rage is more ip and more damage so more healing, id say pretty close defensively
And more damage
fierce geyser
More healing only if it’s being consistently torched
Which for mobs, it usually is
high drum
if its not being absorbed then what do u need any defensives at all for
and battering ram is just better offensively
fierce geyser
Offensive isn’t a priority for a tank
We’re tasked with keeping threat and staying alive
Let the dps worry about offensively
inland raft
Being defensive enough to live and then pushing damage is prio
high drum
Offensive isn’t a priority for a tank
lol
old sinew
Offensive isn’t a priority for a tank
🤔
Faster you kill the boss the less likely it is to kill you
odd nimbus
haha
edgy grail
The goal is to finish as fast as possible
high drum
old sinew
The goal is to finish as fast as possible
that too
fierce geyser
Finishing fast means staying alive and keeping threat.
edgy grail
If you are dying the reason is not because you picked TL, you just fucked up.
fierce geyser
If we need to worry about our dps, the actual dps are dogshit
edgy grail
Or vice versa
slim dove
Offensive isn’t a priority for a tank
wrong
edgy grail
Thats not true
high drum
counterpoint, you should do the minimum you can to stay alive
inland raft
All damage matters
strong forum
staying alive and keeping threat is the bare minimum schultz
high drum
and maximise dps
high drum
there is no "stay more alive", it's binary
the thing you maximise is dps while being alive
old sinew
If you are dying the reason is not because you picked TL, you just fucked up.
I feel like that's a slippery slope with any argument of defense vs offensive. Just take all DPS talents because any one talent won't be the difference between life in death with few exceptions (like double wall or spell block or whatever)
rough egret
😄
edgy grail
If tank damage doesn’t matter then your key are low enough that nothing reslly matters.
high drum
dragon magdump vs tc 🙈
edgy grail
I feel like that's a slippery slope with any argument of defense vs offensive. J...
No it’s not, you can’t seriously be comparing the difference of battering ram vs TL to something like spellblock
inland raft
If you do damage and live with 10% hp you brought more value then doing less damage and living with 80% the job is staying alive goal is to spend just enough resources on that as is necessary and doing as much damage as can
old sinew
No it’s not, you can’t seriously be comparing the difference of battering ram vs...
I said exceptions
high drum
back when healers did good damage, an argument could be made for making their lives easier
but now healer damage is way below tank
edgy grail
Battering Ram and TL are low impact talents is my point
high drum
so just maximise dps and do the minimum you can to stay alive
high drum
Battering Ram and TL are low impact talents is my point
battering ram doesnt feel low impact
especially on bosses
inland raft
Its still a decent defensive though cuz the rage gen
trim hill
If 1 tc guarantees you aggro your dps aren’t pumpers
edgy grail
Because the guy said the only goal is to live
high drum
ye 1 tc agro is not true at all
edgy grail
That what the discussion was
high drum
but agro is still trivial
odd nimbus
I said exceptions
my understanding is that while tank is staying alive and not making healer's job too hard ,he should try to do as much damage as he can to make dps role easier.
this is the way tanks "support" their party,but who knows maybe im wrong
edgy grail
TL vs BR are not the reason you die
high drum
idk, ive killed bosses barely a couple of times
and BR definitely is the reason for that
edgy grail
high drum
if you take TL and use demo before ur shield charge avatar is back up youre griefing yourself in 90% of cases anyway
so why not just take BR
night galleon
what percentage of total damage does the fang embellishment do? contemplating if i should get a crafted weapon or the embellishment helm.
night galleon
sounds like any thorns embellishment would do more
high drum
the 418 weapon is the main reason to go weapon tbh
then drop the embellish from it in 2 weeks for wrists is my plan
rough egret
Vers stack
night galleon
47 verse doesnt look that incredible
high drum
read it again
hazy sluice
Yo got the CoS ring that buffs auto hits. Ultimate keeper ? Or do better rings exist ?
B4 I spend valor
slim dove
Yo got the CoS ring that buffs auto hits. Ultimate keeper ? Or do better rings e...
its bis
sim yourself for jewelry upgrades always.
fading tide
I just did a 12 academy where no one killed the healing tree add and then said I suck at tanking lol
chrome falcon
bet
slim dove
I just did a 12 academy where no one killed the healing tree add and then said I...
we're getting to the point that the....less skilled dps are doing alot of 11-14s
high drum
+17 is easier than a +16
because the +16s attract the people just there for the primal
thingy
and dont care for time
potent anvil
I did an academy where we did the dragon boss second and bird boss last. 
potent anvil
Addon called Warpdeplete
high drum
ty
chrome falcon
I did an academy where we did the dragon boss second and bird boss last. <:okayg...
wait you can do dragon 2nd?
that sounds way better
lyric geode
How did you do it?
high drum
just turn right after tree i assume
rough egret
Somehow I thought that the dragon is locked
fading tide
I’m so lost on this re crafting system. How do I get my 399 shield to 405?
fading tide
Yea I did just went from 382 to 399. But wondering how to get it from 399 to 405
fallen pulsar
Proc better quality
gritty glen
Quality of the item affects it too
slim dove
Yea I did just went from 382 to 399. But wondering how to get it from 399 to 405
recrafting
potent anvil
wait you can do dragon 2nd?
The door is closed. You need to kill the other bosses like you normally would. But I found secret tech to get by
indigo wharf
what about jewelcrafting trinket as 3rd spark spend?
chrome falcon
Yea I did just went from 382 to 399. But wondering how to get it from 399 to 405
get a better crafter
fallen pulsar
Well, are you going to share with the class deswind
potent anvil
Last time I shared tech to the world it all got nerfed 
fallen pulsar
thorny stone
Time to go on a m+0 with a lock to try to get there by all means possible
rough egret
Maybe some snap
ionic roost
Could be the see-saw skip from SMBG
lilac bloom
what are ppl in the heroic raid look for.. after 5 bosses.. i can't get into any raids like dathea and above.. i'm 293 at the moment whats the requirement do they expect
lilac bloom
oopps
shit
i mean 393
damn i'm too tired trying to que and no takeers.. on ly stomes
its like have to go back doing mythic keys instead
feels like its stupid not letting people learn or have a go.. at it how you expect to kill the boss if all you want is high ilevel tanks
strong forum
390 should be plenty
lilac bloom
either they take ppl that kills it.. or they think my ilvel is too low to live.. they did say prot warriro tanks can't survive.. due to magic damage
foggy elk
I’m so lost on this re crafting system. How do I get my 399 shield to 405?
It depends on the skill of the crafter making the item. Skill is impacted by rank of materials, blacksmithing level of the crafted, which specialisation the crafter is (you want someone who is specifically specialised into making sheilds)
strong forum
but people are having higher and higher requirements as more and more people clear the raid
foggy elk
Short answer get a better crafter
mystic warren
Last time I shared tech to the world it all got nerfed <:sadgers:102252608227824...
dm's open for tech?
lime rivet
on a scale of 1-10, how big is Windscar Whetstone for us?
rogue pug is begging me for it but i want to replace Dragon Games Equipment
i dont trust the WoWhead list because it lists Granyth's scale as A- >_>
strong forum
on a scale of 1-10, how big is Windscar Whetstone for us?
9.5
craggy pilot
rogue pug is begging me for it but i want to replace Dragon Games Equipment
Fuck rogue pug
He got beat by prot pug, he needs to learn his place 😂
lime rivet
LMAO
potent anvil
dm's open for tech?
Maybe I'll show near the end of s1, unless other people figure it out. Blizz nerfs these kind of tech routes insta.
craggy pilot
And you will never see him again anyway
lime rivet
thank you nome and nielsen, I'll keep it myself - I only considered it because mastery is low on our prio list
strong forum
A fully upgraded whetstone does like 4-5k dps in keys 🙂
old sinew
Double Wall and Spell Block were such a huge improvement for the 3rd boss of TJS like god damn that's night and day. I also liked Battering Ram. I barely noticed not having Thunderlord but definitely noticed there were spots, like say the 2nd boss where I might gas a little previously and Battering Ram helped with the rage gen
👍
lime rivet
A fully upgraded whetstone does like 4-5k dps in keys 🙂
wow okay, i definitely should keep then, esp since it's 9/13 lol. Thanks again 🙂
old sinew
A fully upgraded whetstone does like 4-5k dps in keys 🙂
is that better than Hoof?
hoof seems really good I dunno
high drum
grief gang
lime rivet
both are 2 mins lol, could be shameless and bind together
old sinew
huh
high drum
they dont trigger each other?
high drum
i have no idea
lime rivet
i could be wrong
old sinew
Most on-use effects lock other on-use trinkets for some period of time, 15 seconds I believe?
lime rivet
rogue offering 200k for whetstone LMAO
strong forum
is that better than Hoof?
Yes
old sinew
O
slim dove
rogue offering 200k for whetstone LMAO
id offer a mil for it at this point
strong forum
Yeah I don't think I'd sell for 200k
old sinew
Yeah no shot
slim dove
ive done around 40 cos this season
strong forum
That's like 1 weapon enchant
slim dove
ive seen 0 drop
old sinew
well, I guess I would say I wouldn't run CoS with the intention of selling for 200k
Maybe if I ran it for IO and it dropped and someone offered 200k... hmm.
sweet summit
@potent anvil 
old sinew
Maybe like 350k
gritty glen
Thoughts on dumping valor into upgrading Strike Twice?
candid coral
I’ve had whetstone drop twice for me so far on my rogue. That trinket absolutely slaps
old sinew
I'm not like a top level key pusher. I just got my KSH today so I dunno
I feel like 350k is a pretty good amount of gold for something you'll probably see again at some point, considering CoS is on the easier side
2nd easiest dungeon?
oblique kayak
yeah it’s pretty easy compared
oblique kayak
Wait is whetstone good for prot?
very much so
candid coral
Ohhhh I need to farm that place then.
strong forum
Why wouldn't it be good for prot?
old sinew
Wait is whetstone good for prot?
More damage is always good pretty much.
candid coral
10-4
Just thought there were other trinkets better for prot. Idk, I don’t main prot. I just casually play it on the side
jovial steeple
hey team,
maybe someone can help me, to find the the red border for aggro in ELVUI?
edgy grail
Just thought there were other trinkets better for prot. Idk, I don’t main prot. ...
There sre not many good tank trinkets so most of the stuff is just for DPS
fallow osprey
for AV first pull, do you all pull the first group of lashers into the next area with the treant or do you fight two groups of lashers in the whelp room or something else?
candid coral
There sre not many good tank trinkets so most of the stuff is just for DPS
Gotcha, Ty
north comet
on 318 wepaon craft we should use extra dmg emelish ?
candid coral
for AV first pull, do you all pull the first group of lashers into the next area...
I pull it all together but im only running 15s and lower right now on my tank
north comet
418*
fallow osprey
same for me, i should have specified but this is the around the 15 range
wheat sonnet
Hey guys i have a question got the HC Diurnia ring, is there anyway to proc it besides the Belt craft and is it even worth to build the belt for just the proc on the ring?
north comet
i dont see normal item embelishments
mellow harbor
@fallow osprey most people just pull to tree and lust
slim dove
Hey guys i have a question got the HC Diurnia ring, is there anyway to proc it b...
yes
make belt
belt + ring is v good
candid coral
same for me, i should have specified but this is the around the 15 range
Gotcha, yeah it usually not a bad idea for around that range as long as your group has good damage. This week is kind of annoying only cause kiting in that small room gets sketchy but we haven’t had any casualties so far.
lime urchin
this thing reads as something very nice in m+
but maybe I am misreading my details, but its horrible?
and my 350 primal ritual shell even sims 500 dps higher..
potent anvil
<@95652243235143680> <:dandy:809705852658253844>
lime urchin
so I noticed, well, back to my good ole ritual shell then
old sinew
Did the ppm get buffed and then the Effect nerfed? I don’t remember it being that bad.
idle inlet
The strength is better on scared
old sinew
Oh I’m thinking of the trinket from NO with a similar mechanic. That’s from the world quest right?
lime urchin
yes it is
old sinew
Ah. Yeah don’t use that lol
north comet
guys tell me what to add to weapon Fang Adorment ?
jovial birch
guys tell me what to add to weapon Fang Adorment ?
A one handed weapon….
tawny panther
m+ do ppl pop cds all together so ravager > demo > avatar > thunderous, or do people tend to batch into 2 sets to alternate?
north comet
y... what to pick
north comet
m+ do ppl pop cds all together so ravager > demo > avatar > thunderous, or do p...
and shield charge, it hits like a truck 😄
lofty widget
m+ do ppl pop cds all together so ravager > demo > avatar > thunderous, or do p...
just everything on cd, not good to hold a cd for more than a few seconds
jovial birch
m+ do ppl pop cds all together so ravager > demo > avatar > thunderous, or do p...
All CDs together personally. Unless I know there is going to be two bigger packs one after another. Maybe save thunderous and trinket for 2nd
tawny panther
hmm alrighty, i just dumped it all into 1 macro there, except ravager, so should probs split it a bit
jovial birch
Can’t have it all on one some of them are on global together.
tawny panther
and demo since lower cd is on bars too just made it cleaner with a macro
#showtooltip avatar
/cast demoralizing shout
/cast avatar
/use 13
/cast thunderous roar
that works i think
lofty widget
well no cause demo and TR are both on gcd
jovial birch
Yeah drop TR out of macro
tawny panther
i was probs spamming it then, ill take out TR
easier to split it up if needed tooi, can macro one pack and ravager/TR next if it comes up
ta
jovial birch
I personally have avatar/ravager @ player/ trinket together
tawny panther
any reason to leave TR out or its just good enough to be used alone on a smaller pack
jovial birch
It won’t work with ravager on same macro
tawny panther
duh, ta
lyric geode
Can sb link ITF build for raid?
jovial birch
Then I pop demo right after that macro
But now that I’m thinking about it I should maybe change it because my trinket hit would@be missing out on 20% damage from demo. Probably replace ravager with demo
lime urchin
Why on Earth are y’all marcoing everything together
jovial birch
Because they all have the same cd and generally there is no reason you don’t want to pop those abilities at the same time.
tender cove
But now that I’m thinking about it I should maybe change it because my trinket h...
I have avatar, trinket, potion and demo in one macro
the first 3 are off the gcd
lyric geode
Eranog with 78% shield block uptime?
jovial birch
I have avatar, trinket, potion and demo in one macro
Ooo I should totally add potion to mine thanks!
tender cove
Ooo I should totally add potion to mine thanks!
It's not the best in terms of optimal because you'll pop it on cd and you cant avoid not using avatar unless you have it on a 2nd keybind, sorta defeating the purpose. But just for lazy runs? for sure
tired forge
frozen rose
Am I the only one that watched their health slowly bleed out after the second sundering strike in raid? I have to pop like everything
jagged pier
yer thats a bad macro what if u dont want to potion every 5 mins?
you should only take 1
tender cove
yer thats a bad macro what if u dont want to potion every 5 mins?
then you dont?
lyric geode
I feel Eranog has a lot of downtime that you dont have to do anything
lyric geode
Especially after you knock out fire elemental
tender cove
Yes, i'm the one doing it lol
violet spruce
I bind Avatar to Shield Charge, and have a /cast sequence macro for shockwave and TR - seems to work really well and line up almost perfectly
jovial birch
Seems better in raid when you would want to get two uses in if boss is still alive.
Probably wouldn’t use it in M+
earnest nymph
is decoration worth losing 50 str over?
I've got a 376 decoration vs a 392 puzzle box
jovial steeple
Is puzzle box woth in general for prot?
tardy pendant
Guys im gonna craft a waist witch one will be better https://www.wowhead.com/item=191623/unstable-frostfire-belt or a belt with Armor Spikes ?
sleek zenith
earnest nymph
Is puzzle box woth in general for prot?
the two options I listed are my only two options
sick current
who are the best mdt routes you guys like? is there a link to them?
for hihg m+ keys 17+
high*
fallen pulsar
puzzle box sims well for me, it's just highly clunky
slim dove
who are the best mdt routes you guys like? is there a link to them?
dorkis routes work pretty good for most pugs
exception being 1st pull RLP aint for the faint of heart
fallen pulsar
where can I find dorkis routes google solves all questions
weary notch
You all using sophic devotion or frozen devotion for M+?
lyric geode
You all using sophic devotion or frozen devotion for M+?
I feel the extra strength is much more needed.
And I am definitely not saying that because I go full umph on primal sophic enchantment.
100k each enchantment.
Kewk
weary notch
Yeah, I've been using writ while waiting for the prices to come down, but... they're not really coming down
old sinew
I’ll just copy what the top tanks choose. Dungeon sims are sus.
sick sentinel
ok so I timed a 21 this week, I have a 22 in my bag, is there a way to get a 21 key next week without actually completing this 22 key
near pewter
you will get a 21 if you did a 21
sick sentinel
oh cool
median tulip
Guys im gonna craft a waist witch one will be better https://www.wowhead.com/ite...
Do you have the rings (and ideally a trinket) to go with that belt?
inland mesa
What trinket o.O
steady steppe
what the fuck am i supposed to do about these fucking mobs in NO that just stand across the fucking map and shoot people
tardy pendant
Do you have the rings (and ideally a trinket) to go with that belt?
i dont need the rings i got better ones the waist should be work on him/herself xd
rough egret
what the fuck am i supposed to do about these fucking mobs in NO that just stand...
Kill them
median tulip
i dont need the rings i got better ones the waist should be work on him/herself ...
Personally I think that the value of the belt is multiplicative with the rings, but there you go... you do whatever
wind quartz
If i have a high ilvl neck and a 372 belt, even without rings i should just craft the belt -instead of lariat -right?
rough egret
Weapons?
median tulip
what the fuck am i supposed to do about these fucking mobs in NO that just stand...
They ignore aggro and shoot at random. There are officially Somebody Else's Problem. Tell the DPS to treat them as a priority kill target; they're the ones getting shot.
steady steppe
can barely kill them when the just stand in the sanguine and shoot people forever
median tulip
That's why you kill them first
high drum
what the fuck am i supposed to do about these fucking mobs in NO that just stand...
put the other mobs on them
and cleave off the archers
tardy pendant
Personally I think that the value of the belt is multiplicative with the rings, ...
ok but the dmg of the waist by itselfs wont increase or will it?
median tulip
They have the least HP of all the mobs in the packs they are in, so they should die first if primaried correctly
onyx inlet
total beginner question here, can we maintain shield block uptime 100%?
median tulip
total beginner question here, can we maintain shield block uptime 100%?
Yes, with sufficient Haste and decent luck with Shield Slam resets.
high drum
you want at least 2 of the duration talents but yea
onyx inlet
ok cool thought i was going mad, all guides say keep it up all the time and on the face of it its not possible baseline with just the ability and its 2 charges
high drum
always enduring defenses, and then either champions bulwark, heavy repercussions or bolster
median tulip
ok cool thought i was going mad, all guides say keep it up all the time and on t...
You need to have at least 2 of Heavy Repercussions, Shield Charge, Enduring Defenses or Bolster
high drum
if you have low haste you might need 2 of the latter
i dont think enduring defenses is optional
onyx inlet
oh im still lvl 60, just looking at doing some DF on the side and thinking prot might be a good way to go
median tulip
mathematically ED is about the same as HR, but TBQH I always run it myself
median tulip
oh im still lvl 60, just looking at doing some DF on the side and thinking prot ...
It is going good right now.
Personally I run ED, HR and SC on most occasions, and I get to a point where I'm not pressing Shield Block because I have enough uptime to kill the pack and I can just Execute
onyx inlet
ok then next up i guess is a plug and play WA pack, just to help with IP and SB uptime
terse temple
oh im still lvl 60, just looking at doing some DF on the side and thinking prot ...
I’m in the same boat, At the risk of sounding like an idiot, what’s the best way to keep agro on large groups of mobs? I find when I gather groups I lose agro on 2-5 mobs sometimes right now I hit charge-avatar-demoralising shout -ravager-shield slam-thunder clap
median tulip
IP isn't something you overly monitor, it's mostly just a Rage Dump to stop yourself from overcapping. The only exceptions are when you are anticipating a big tankbuster mechanic
onyx inlet
ok cool tyvm
high drum
I’m in the same boat, At the risk of sounding like an idiot, what’s the best way...
demo on pull is basically no agro
avoid that
unless you stun first
or drop ravager first or something
median tulip
I’m in the same boat, At the risk of sounding like an idiot, what’s the best way...
It depends on the pack; if their resting position is quite tight you can just Avatar > Shield Charge > TClap > Shield Slam
bold turret
Ravager before demo is a dps increase
terse temple
So I should save demo for end of pull rotation and prior ravages and t clap?
high drum
i do charge -> tclap -> ravager -> demo -> avatar/shield charge
median tulip
If they are more spread out I tend to lead with Charge or Titanic Throw
high drum
and hope the tclap is enough to hold until shield charge/ravager tick
against dragon it often isnt
chrome falcon
how do you guys have your lariats set up?
median tulip
Thunderous Roar is a good snap tool as well, if it's up
onyx inlet
ok, next one, rend how is it auto applying to stuff?
high drum
how do you guys have your lariats set up?
haste primary crit secondaries so i always get crit proc
high drum
ok, next one, rend how is it auto applying to stuff?
tclap
high drum
fro mblood and thunder talent
median tulip
ok, next one, rend how is it auto applying to stuff?
Blood and Thunder talent
onyx inlet
typo**
terse temple
Okay thanks for that guys appreciate it only tanked like 6 dungeons so far so the help is much appreciated!
onyx inlet
shouldnt strafe left and right while im in discord chat awkward
high drum
how do you guys have your lariats set up?
but im thinking about changing to 70 vers 33 haste gems so i get haste procs instead
median tulip
You should not have Rend, Whirlwind or Slam on your bars at all; they are useless to you
onyx inlet
You should not have Rend, Whirlwind or Slam on your bars at all; they are useles...
perfect that frees up binds
high drum
TOE GANG
median tulip
Toe. The Horn has no static primary stat on it, and I don't think the use effect really works enough against that
onyx inlet
You should not have Rend, Whirlwind or Slam on your bars at all; they are useles...
what covers off WW and slam then or is it that they are just a waste of rage and pointless?
jovial steeple
is the alchemist Trinket any good for a non raider prot warrie ^^?
slim dove
what covers off WW and slam then or is it that they are just a waste of rage and...
waste of rage and pointless
lyric geode
I feel the ITF to raids is the way to go
You dont need to be 100% uptime in SB
I mean, given the situation of tank swap and tank mechanics
I mean I was 80% uptime in Terros and the damage and survivibility seems good.
jagged pier
Having sb up is a huge dps increase tho atm
As its 35% of your damage on ST
But itf is more damage than hr
fading tide
Is using my spark just to level up my BS skill dumb?
high drum
yes very#
high drum
at least do it on an alt and personal request yourself
fading tide
Idk how the fuck people are getting to 100 BS. I’m stuck at 70
high drum
if you were early it was easy
craftin everyones spark crap
but now its hard
hope this helps 🙂
fading tide
It does thanks
past locust
so when does the guides and faq get done?
thin silo
Worst case you can brute force to 100 with Masters Hammers, but it's pretty wasteful
jovial birch
I’ve been getting recrafts on peoples lower star items now that I can do 5 star on things just gotta watch chat.
hazy sluice
What are your fav trinkets? And which should I tend to farm for m+ only?
Rn I have blaze hoof and 411 ilvl spite from HC chest
trim hill
You dont need to be 100% uptime in SB
Shield Block is an offensive buff as well, not having it up and shield slamming is borderline trolling
jovial birch
Blazebinder hoof from RLP and Whetstone from CoS are both good from M+
Try to pick up decoration of flame from raid if possible it’s off first boss should be easy to pug if no guild.
hazy sluice
Aight ty
solemn current
Anyone know if you can block while casting puzzlebox?
bold turret
I believe you can mitigate while casting it but I could be wrong
fading tide
I’ve been getting recrafts on peoples lower star items now that I can do 5 star ...
Yea I can re craft to 399 trying to get it to 405
safe shale
I feel like my damage is getting lower the more iLvl I get... Is it because the keys keep going up?
fading tide
I feel like my damage is getting lower the more iLvl I get... Is it because the...
Could it be adds are dying too fast to give your bleeds time to do dmg?
fallen lichen
Probably no but can alchemical flavor pocket also be added to Lariat? (So it works in prot-fury-arms)?
unreal lily
I feel like my damage is getting lower the more iLvl I get... Is it because the...
Maybe using more rage on mitigation?
odd tree
I feel like my damage is getting lower the more iLvl I get... Is it because the...
I'd say my dps has gone up as packs last longer, CDs are actually being used fully during pulls.
safe shale
Well, I guess I am pulling smaller packs since I pug a lot, and kicks are scarce
but all the above could be true, but I also find that towards the end of the pack life I'm holding cd's
slim dove
yeah if you pull less, dam will be less
missed kicks are bigger deal in higher keys ofc
but most dungeons are lenient enough on timer you can get away with going 1-2 packs at a time
(up to a point ofc)
jagged granite
Hey boys, anyone got a nice route for 20ish HOV? Im struggling with timing them, would like to suss what yall are doing in there
odd tree
Wowhead just posted some tech for HoV, not sure if engaging numerous minibosses at the end will help.
odd tree
Well, I guess I am pulling smaller packs since I pug a lot, and kicks are scarce
Understandable. I always start pugs a bit slower and then ramp pulls up as I get a feel for their dps and ability to interrupt casts.
trim hill
HoV timer feels kinda tight, gotta combo basically every pull and not have time wasted sanguine in the halls to either wing
As well as beer the king mini bosses at the end. Also wouldn’t do more than the 2 wolf packs before Fenryr some routes do all 4
slim dove
lmao
first whetstone ive seen this season in a 16 court, azralon rogue gets it, already has a 411 equipped, drops group and leaves without a word.
cinder storm
heavy temple
first whetstone ive seen this season in a 16 court, azralon rogue gets it, alrea...
Probably traded it to a friend in the Party?
slim dove
Probably traded it to a friend in the Party?
other 2 dps were with me and healer left insta
but maybe
heavy temple
Thats weird
old sinew
Wowhead just posted some tech for HoV, not sure if engaging numerous minibosses ...
it does help, a lot
heavy temple
Ive been trying to get whetstone for a while as well
slim dove
i chalk it up to the server name
dull saddle
Just based on tooltip, vioent outburst is a gain on TC at 4+ targets, correct?
royal venture
does prot ever use slam or whirlwind? whats the best offensive rage spender in between ? ty ❤️
slim dove
does prot ever use slam or whirlwind? whats the best offensive rage spender in ...
never
revenge/ip are our spenders.
royal venture
thank you... ill remove them from my bars... i was pressing them like a bad tank
limpid pawn
4 pc seems good
acoustic grotto
Hello !
There is a macro for multispell talent node ?
For have a 1 Button automaticly Switch on which talent IS selected ?
mighty valley
you could just make two different builds with the talent switch since each build has its own bar
outer sparrow
Hi whats the best Horde Prot Race? (OffSpec Fury) i see so many Belfs. Focus is M+
fair rune
hey i got a question, is there any reason i have an extra defensive stance buff? its unnerfed and permanent, and doesnt change when i change stances
trim hill
does prot ever use slam or whirlwind? whats the best offensive rage spender in ...
Remember ignore pain is off gcd so you can and often should use it when you’re going to cap rage (usually during avatar)
jagged pier
Hi whats the best Horde Prot Race? (OffSpec Fury) i see so many Belfs. Focus is ...
Vulpera
jagged pier
hey i got a question, is there any reason i have an extra defensive stance buff?...
Its bug ftom swapping from arms and fury to prot i think
outer sparrow
Vulpera is so mini fuzzy
abstract token
not sure if yall use spear but I just figured this out. If you jump before casting spear you can actually see your feet
outer sparrow
Do they prefere Belf --> Arcane Torrent?
calm goblet
I've done vulpera right after tauren and I liked the change ever since
Ever since I've unlocked them that is
calm goblet
choose race for tmog, don't overthink
Got to look good while killing good
lusty narwhal
Damn i dont think theres anyone that specializes in bracers on my server XD might have to settle for a diff spark
severe steeple
shield was kinda hard for me to find 
hasty crystal
Should I take tier gloves or manic grief torch from vault this week? Gloves will be 3 set and a big ilvl upgrade but grief torch is nutty
severe steeple
grief, you can eventually make tier glvoes
shut rock
question. Will Unstable Frostfire belt proc seal of fillial duty?
shut rock
okay good
lusty narwhal
yea its neat in theory but i kind of hate it
shut rock
i just got 418 with socket
lusty narwhal
because you 1. have to rely on the belt proccing, and then 2. you have to rely on that belt proccing the ring which is also a chance
sturdy sable
yeah but its just free damage
unless your talking the shield ring
then its just free shielding lol
lusty narwhal
yea it is im just more keen on something i get way more often
hasty crystal
What’s the best craftable item other than lariat for m+?
shut rock
isnt there a trinket that will proc it also?
lusty narwhal
how does diurnas seal work exactly? it says when it procs it does dmg every 2 sec
every 2 sec for how many seconds?
or is there text missing
ok it lasts 6 seconds, i guess there is text missing
gritty glen
Thoughts on dumping valor into upgrading Strike Twice?
gritty glen
What’s the best craftable item other than lariat for m+?
Sword/Shield are good to craft
shut rock
weapon first imop
sick current
okay
lusty narwhal
is unstable arcane loop ring worth dropping valor on? it also rolled avoidance
sick current
do you guys like potion absorption inhibitor or fang adormnbets for weapon
robust quiver
Hello boys, happy new year! What's the take on weapon enchants? I get that the best are sophic and frozen, with sophic being more all-rounded and frozen being more offensive (in aoe). How much more damage is frozen tho? is it really worth? It's also semi dead on single target (e.g. raids) right?
bold fern
I took fang for more passiv dmg @sick current
fallen pulsar
I cleared normal grimtotem without a shield during a pug lmao, I didn't realize it had broken. Still managed to kill it and didn't die/all mechanics went well
still out damaged the cotank
hollow plume
How did you shield slam ?
fallen pulsar
you don't
it was just me, thunderclap, and some revenge
shield charge also doesn't work
shield block is dead
but we keep on swingin
cinder storm
Question, do you lose sockets if you recraft lariat?
slim dove
Question, do you lose sockets if you recraft lariat?
no
sick sentinel
literal valarjar transformation when you use it
cinder storm
literal valarjar transformation when you use it
I thought you were joking
sick sentinel
cinder storm
Thats actually cool
sick sentinel
bonus points if you have a mog on weapon shield that fits the transformation and looks good normal
unreal lily
Is that quest gonna be weekly to do 4 mythics and get a piece of heroic raid gear?
sick sentinel
you get a heroic piece if u do this weeks quests, that is correct
i got a 408 piece
unreal lily
Is that something that will be every week we can do or is it just random when they do the quest?
sick sentinel
it comes up a few times per season
1-3 times per season
we will also get a quest for the same, but its a normal piece instead
unreal lily
Damn would be awesome if it was every week lol
oak echo
It's the weekly event. Next week is something like battle pets or time walking if I remember
blazing sundial
hello everyone this is my first time playing a tank and warrior
oak echo
The in game calendar lists them all
cinder storm
Pins
oak echo
In the pins
topaz leaf
what are the odds there'll be more dungeon tuning? some packs and bosses do absurd amounts of damage to the whole group, like raging tempest and everything around it.
sick sentinel
I wanted to ask if theres a spreadsheet for spells I can reflect
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cinder storm
Blizz is on vacation
unreal lily
what are the odds there'll be more dungeon tuning? some packs and bosses do absu...
I think they will nerf some. Tons of ppl on the forums talking about it
steady steppe
love when i have dps over pulling packs dying and then having same dps as me overall and complaining
slim dove
i wouldn't hope for any nerfs. improve your play and stop pugging
11-14 are filled with horrible dps
15s also
and 16s.
cinder storm
Tree boss needs more tuning, last boss temple you shouldn't need a specific class to time it, rlp first boss is hard with pugs
steady steppe
13 RLP without lust and braiddead dps
fair stump
they need to cut out the 1.5mins of rp too lol
steady steppe
only over timed by 26 seconds
slim dove
if anything expect whetstone and grieftorch to take big nerfs lul
topaz leaf
i wouldn't hope for any nerfs. improve your play and stop pugging
sure, but the difference between dungeons is insane
cinder storm
RP is taken into account in the dungeon timer
topaz leaf
first boss RLP just wrecks
gritty glen
11-14 are filled with *horrible* dps
So it's not just me, that's good. I have been plagued by dumpster DPS in 11-15s this week.
unreal lily
One thing that kind of sucks is 11-14 all give 392 gear. Gotta go to 15 to get upgrades again for me
slim dove
So it's not just me, that's good. I have been plagued by dumpster DPS in 11-15s ...
last weeks 6-9 crowd is now spamming 11-14s for infusions
last weeks 11-14 crowd is spamming 16s for next infusion
oak echo
The only dungeons I think are still overtuned are like jade and mayyybe RLP but it's much better now
Only actual dungeon change I really want to see is a redesign of azure vault dragon mechanics
mighty valley
i'd expect some more tuning based on how shadowlands went, think the outliers are honestly bigger than the SL ones were and those dungeons got nuked over time
blazing sundial
I've been looking at keyguru for some basic routes but are there like meta routes that I should be following? still doing lower keys like 11s and 12s for reference
cinder storm
HoV 17, I tell dps to 1) don't run to me to allow me aggro first two adds 2) focus dragon 3) kick 4) clear thundering as I'm not going to move right away
mighty valley
TJS is just weird, all really chill until a couple of nuclear packs
cinder storm
Mage dies 5s into the pull die to cast, doesn't release and leave
chrome falcon
I've been looking at keyguru for some basic routes but are there like meta route...
routing in this expansion is really easy tbh
multiple dungeons you just hold W
main thing to learn is nokhud offensive route
cinder storm
Yeah but that dot for the last boss in tsj is super hard if you don't bring a lock for the healer
vivid sparrow
where can i get info on the creation catalyst coming
cinder storm
It wrecks on tyrannical
blazing sundial
I'm still having trouble with the really confusing court of stars
unreal lily
It seems easier on nokhud to get 94% right after 3rd boss then go though the side right to the 2 big guys right before the boss
chrome falcon
It seems easier on nokhud to get 94% right after 3rd boss then go though the sid...
correct
hollow briar
what gems should i put on my elemental lariat
slim dove
what gems should i put on my elemental lariat
str/haste then 2x haste/crit
blazing sundial
for nokhud do you pull the two patrol packs?
topaz leaf
It seems easier on nokhud to get 94% right after 3rd boss then go though the sid...
yeah don't even bother with trash before last boss
hollow briar
str/haste then 2x haste/crit
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cinder storm
Also, I got the bug on the first boss on temple last night, had to solo last 20%
blazing sundial
str/haste then 2x haste/crit
shouldnt it be haste/vers?
slim dove
shouldnt it be haste/vers?
crit more dam.
cinder storm
Crit is better now
slim dove
crit = parry
cinder storm
Dmg and defensive wise
slim dove
not the end of the world to be heavy on vers
slim dove
even picking crit pieces over vers i still have more vers then crit
just rng being rng
hollow briar
do u guys know the names of the str/haste and haste/crit gems
blazing sundial
how much % haste would you fellas think is minimum?
steady steppe
i feel like AV just takes forever
dont think ive timed a single run
even if we dont wipe
cinder storm
AV is easy until last boss
steel mauve
at 40% haste it falls behind other stats, but there isnt a minimum, it will always be good, but some thing becomes better above 40%
blazing sundial
I also feel AV is tough
the only dungeons that are easier for me is nok, shadowmoon, and halls
all the dragonflight ones are tough to time
either due to people dying or me making mistakes
cinder storm
Thing with RLP is people either don't kick enough, or don't use living bombs on adds
mighty valley
the timers are pretty tame when people play well, there's just a lot to learn
robust quiver
Speaking of RLP, do you guys skip the two big cancer dragons in fortified?
gritty glen
for nokhud do you pull the two patrol packs?
I always pull the massive patrol as the first pull
robust quiver
i feel like their pathing is kinda random after a while
and they zoom all over the place
blazing sundial
the red dragon gets pulled in everytime
even when I wait for it to go away
are there any tips for that?
steady steppe
I always pull the massive patrol as the first pull
yea because u dont want them to pat and aggro when ur fighting one of the ballista packs
cinder storm
You pull the first one, fire one just wait until it moves, move adds to the balcony so you can bait dps not to stand where dragon moves
robust quiver
i feel like they are never worth the %, but esp the storm dragon gets in the way more often than not. Do they have a set patrol path? Does it change over time?
cinder storm
For the first one just wait until everyone is there, it does a frontal right away
unreal lily
What's your guys opinion on the rotation addon called Hekili?
blazing sundial
so there are two patrols in the beginning area of nokhud do you guys kill both of them?
gritty glen
so there are two patrols in the beginning area of nokhud do you guys kill both o...
Yea I do
blazing sundial
You pull the first one, fire one just wait until it moves, move adds to the balc...
thats genius
cinder storm
What's your guys opinion on the rotation addon called Hekili?
Good if you are learning but unnecessary in the long run
blazing sundial
the balcony
unreal lily
Good if you are learning but unnecessary in the long run
Alright thanks! I've been trying it on and off and it definitely increased my dps but also distracts me a bit from my situational awareness so definitely a double edge sword
cinder storm
the balcony
They might think it's stupid but it's better than someone ninjapulling
blazing sundial
yeah cause sometimes the dragon just drops on a dps
and then its like 95% wipe
just a huge loss on time
cinder storm
Yeah, specially since hunters tend to sit in dalaran away from everyone and then the healer tries to triangle between you and rdps
blazing sundial
thanks for all the tips! a huge help for a newer player such as myself
cinder storm
Half of pug tanking comes down to baiting people to stand where you know it's safe
torn gulch
I have 2 bosses where I still have significant problems. Last AV and last RLP.
I still need to learn about how to tank them properly
slim dove
last rlp, tank in center, focus dragon always, lust p2
cinder storm
I have 2 bosses where I still have significant problems. Last AV and last RLP.
Plka has a video on his Twitter for last boss. For AV use charge on pillars, avatar to clear stacks and can always run the talent that reduces leap, balls will aggro you most of the time since we heal a lot
blazing sundial
Is it possible to LOS the two channelers on RLP on the right side of the statue? before the miniboss near the last boss
torn gulch
Plka has a video on his Twitter for last boss. For AV use charge on pillars, ava...
And you can move freely while in thundering
cinder storm
If you instakick them and stutter step you can move them, they follow this "heavy" add rule that you need to be on melee and stutter step between animations and they follow you
sick sentinel
it was just a +8 RLP but i ran that just now and 2 chested it and when i got to the ring section i simply told them "kicks"
i just went on the dude casting something bolt and interupt him and stuck on them at start of fight
quick iron
I have 2 bosses where I still have significant problems. Last AV and last RLP.
AV I tank it near the wall and heroic leap as far as I can when orbs are getting too close, DPS really need to focus the crystals down
you can also spell reflect one of the attacks, can't remember which one, but he can cancel it when throwing out more crystals so sometimes you dont get it off
cinder storm
Dragon strike
Should always be reflected or you can 5head it and use it as a movement external with defensives
jovial birch
Can anyone on Malygos realm group craft allied wristguard of companionship?
cosmic lichen
whats the reasoning behind why tanks are using battle stance in m+ and raid?
lone copper
if not having the dr wont kill you then its better to sit in damage
quick iron
because we're secretly dps's
proud dock
what two tanks are almost always good for m+? what does historical trends say?
quick iron
atm I believe its prot warrior, then everyone else except brewmaster who isn't a tank
urban portal
what two tanks are almost always good for m+? what does historical trends say?
changes all the time
whatever blizz feels like
trends say prot warrior is usually good but then you have shadowlands
so yeah
quick iron
I missed the "almost always" part
urban portal
its just whatever blizzard feels like being good
mighty valley
atm I believe its prot warrior, then everyone else except brewmaster who isn't a...
brews have timed 23s, VDHs haven't 🤷♂️
torpid fiber
at what point does a normal ring outclass the cobalt assembly rings?
urban portal
i dont think you should try and find someone thats "always good"
because that doesnt exist
whatever blizzard feels like being good will be good
quick iron
brews have timed 23s, VDHs haven't 🤷♂️
You know what, thats fair. how big is the sample size though? I gonna assume the only people that are playing brew rn are the ones that are good at brew
still tendon
What you guys spent your valor on?
wary heath
BiS rings
gritty glen
Why rings?
vocal nimbus
wheat phoenix
Curious: Can anyone confirm whether the weapon Strike Twice actually hits twice... or does it just hit for the extra physical damage? i.e.... does it proc enchantments and other shits more often?
Or would a crafted sword with better stats be better?
I have a Strike Twice with speed proc... and I have a crafted primal longsword... deciding which one I should upgrade and keep.
thin cedar
The only dungeon I have major issues with is temple.. I did an 18 and got ROCKED.. granted I was 380ilvl.. but idk how much that will help.. the last pack before the last boss, do you just kite after reflect and spell block?? And the jade boss with the debuff, is it mainly just a healer thing? Or is there anything crazy I can do?
trim hill
make sure you have a fat IP and rage stored and impending for it. Taking double shield wall is prob worth too for TJS in general
vestal torrent
what do yall think about the ruby whelp shell?
torn jay
Curious: Can anyone confirm whether the weapon Strike Twice *actually* hits twic...
Physical proc, not a second swing
vestal torrent
it doesn't feel like it does a lot, but it's rated pretty high
gritty glen
Curious: Can anyone confirm whether the weapon Strike Twice *actually* hits twic...
I'm pretty sure it's not a second melee attack and is instead a separate damage proc.