protection

[toxic pewter]

its done anyway

just curious what others think

[cursive temple]

What was ilvl of that shield?

[toxic pewter]

heroic broodkeeper shield 411 with leech O_O

[lusty grotto]

he said its the same ilvl

[toxic pewter]

😛

[lusty grotto]

as the one he has

[toxic pewter]

im using a m+ shield i upgraded a lot

to be 411

[teal tartan]

maybe I should bind my shield slam to 2 instead of 3. maybe thats why I'm using shield slam obsessively in M+

[cursive temple]

I mean, crafted one is 418 which is still better without that leech, so I wouldn't bother too much

[lusty grotto]

nothing wrong with that

[toxic pewter]

yah and i can upgrade this m+ one to 415

[lusty grotto]

with using shield slam obsessively i mean

[toxic pewter]

so yeah its all g

[cursive temple]

[lusty grotto]

but you can still press fucking SB in, its an off-gcd

[toxic pewter]

just leech... lolol

freaking leech

[lusty grotto]

(plus SS damage)

[teal tartan]

I'm spamming SB all the time

im clicking ignore pain and sb all the time

probs spending too much rage on dps

[lusty grotto]

maybe that's why you have 70% uptime on hits then, my mistake

[cursive temple]

damn, those leech enjoyers

[toxic pewter]

lol

this other shaman wanted the shield too

and he was using A STAFF

so i was like uhhh

give it to that guy?

and the guild was like he didnt win the roll

and that staff shaman had a 408 dagger to use too

[cursive temple]

He can be sitting with 1h waiting for this very moment, don't be a D 🙂

[toxic pewter]

nah he had one lmao

but alas

[tender cove]

So i crafted, shield, lariat and gonna craft wep tomorrow.
Are those good choices?

figured it would give most bank for the buck. lariat obvs but shield for beefy armor/block and wep for more dps

but maybe i missed something

[mighty valley]

i used my three sparks and then immediately got the fire proc ring

so i can't make the belt for two weeks

cry

[bleak sage]

what are the best pieces to craft for prot warrior ?

weap/shield/belt I was thinking

[mighty valley]

there's a rundown in the pins of embellishments, they're all really close

[bleak sage]

sorry but where is the embelishment tab I don't see it @mighty valley

[lusty grotto]

in the pins

[mighty valley]

3rd post in the pins

[bleak sage]

oh i thought it was a text channel called embelishments

thanks ❤️

[stoic pilot]

Does grieftorch get affected by avatar or anything?

Or is it blacklisted from dmg buffs and only scales w vers / crit

[frozen rose]

Anyone feel like tearing apart a heroic Terros? Pretty sure there’s lots of stuff I’m not doing right. Character Sidereeyal. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Dw4LK8vf2RxZHCqY/#fight=6&view=rankings

[cinder nova]

Anyone have a weakaura that automates kurog buddy lightning

[brisk gust]

Are you playing Spellblock at RBL?

RLP*

[cinder nova]

Not usually, but I'm doing 16, 17.

[cinder nova]

Overcasting IP

Not pressing Revenge.

Specced for hyperturtle

Best I got.

[frozen rose]

@cinder nova thx. What the heck is hyper turtle? So I had a feeling I was doing that with IP. But I’m only doing that cause I feel like I kept overcapping rage. And I can’t spam other spenders fast enough. Maybe I gota focus on pushing the rage max a bit more and revenging

[primal jetty]

assuming he means maxed defenses in talents sacrificing DPS talents where its unnecessary for survival

[frozen rose]

Right , turtle 🐢

[lyric aurora]

The other day someone linked a dungeon cheat sheet, but I can't find it. It wasn't the spell reflect one in pins, but a quick overview of trash and bosses in each dungeon for tanks, with important ones to reflect, spells to interupt, etc. Anyone got a link to that?

[fallen pulsar]

my 379 ritual shell sims higher than my 392 horn of valor

[primal jetty]

i have the problem where my off tank is doing too little damage so im constantly pulling agro from him so i often need to just let go of the keyboard

[primal jetty]

i got it, ill link in a min

[cinder nova]

Horn is shit anyway tbh

[lyric aurora]

Hold onto the horn though, as ilvl/weapons increase stats will scale more than lower direct damage procs

[primal jetty]

https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=AC886C2EFEAF883B!53535&ithint=file%2Cxlsx&authkey=!AAhrIjsDtOQKls0

[fallen pulsar]

yeah I just cant get rid of this dang shell, nothing ever sims higher than it

[cinder nova]

Get a dragon games equipment

And a decoration

Or a hoof

Or a ruby

[lyric aurora]

Ahh thanks! I think that's one I couldn't find it. Never entered my mind that people still use MS Products online hah

[primal jetty]

RWS or PRS?

[fallen pulsar]

I need them to drop tho

[cinder nova]

Or a whetstone

[fallen pulsar]

[lyric aurora]

Or a Whispering Incarnate Icon 411 from the weekly mythic box quest

[cinder nova]

kek

[thin cedar]

I can’t get genshis weak aura to work.. it shows the cooldowns of my spell reflect but not the enemy spells???

[cinder nova]

Yeah there's a lot of trinkets that do better ST and cleave.

[fallen pulsar]

yeah they just dont drop for me

I blame entropy

[gilded glacier]

I know it probably doesn't matter a whole lot since its bound to be replaced but im using the Primal Ritual Shell trinket, is there a specific turtle I should have it set to?

[frozen rose]

@cinder nova I was just taking a look at high logs, seeing very little IP casts. How are you dealing with not rage capping during like avatar+raveger? Without spamming IP? Or is the answer, for dps rage capping doesn’t matter

[cinder nova]

Fire

[primal jetty]

wear more luck gear 🤡

[cinder nova]

Rage capping matters. You're probably overspending on IP.

Did you ever play during Banner?

Also maybe play barbarian training.

That prevents you from overcapping if you're moderating yourself.

[fallen pulsar]

I have no self control so barb training always kneecaps me 🤡

[cinder nova]

Get self control.

[frozen rose]

Nope. I feel I get into scenarios all the time where I’m capping rage , despite sb, ip being up. And hitting TC, SL, and revenge on Cd. That’s why I spam IG. Guess I need to re look at this

[fallen pulsar]

but I like smashing buttons

[cinder nova]

It's hard to deprogram Banner brain, but you have to learn.

In general, your ideal situation is actually floating with mid-to-high rage.

So that you can both avoid overcapping, but avoid starving.

And that means usually avoid pressing IP unless you have to for a mechanic or you're capping.

If you press it to press it you're going to starve and lose DPS.

[frozen rose]

@cinder nova okay thank you

[fallen pulsar]

but I can instead gamble and press revenge, and get the profit from the revenge refund + shield slam proc wombo combo

[cinder nova]

Barbarian generally will sim higher in ST.

And the 10 extra rage keeps you from capping.

[signal pulsar]

Hi, I noticed in a lot of builds that people are not taking Enduring Alacrity. Is 5% passive stamina and armor not worth even 1 point?

[cinder nova]

Enduring Defenses.

[fallen pulsar]

if the fight doesnt slap you around

[cinder nova]

No. Stamina is a bad stat.

[fallen pulsar]

prot warrior meta in general is, if it doesn't kill you, go damage

[urban portal]

armor is ok but not very siginificant

[cinder nova]

You get all the HP you need from Indom and and gear.

The point is better used in other spots. We don't nee alacrity to reach Ravager, so it's not a tax we care to take.

Plus yeah, like BIS said, armor is generally not something to target.

We get plenty of armor with our damage and "balanced" builds along with our gear that going for more is a waste, especially if you can put more into damage.

There are even fights where I just spec out of Indom so I can get another point elsewhere for damage.

Same with SR sometimes.

[signal pulsar]

hmm, so by that logic in fights where you don't need Shockwave, you wouldn't take Endurance Training either?

[cinder nova]

You don't need shockwave in any raid encounter.

The only fight you might want a stun is H Rasz so you aren't relying on others to clear your orb.

And you can easily take bolt and give up something else.

[fallen pulsar]

SR is a dead talent if there's ever a raid fight with no magic damage

[cinder nova]

Most fights have magic damage, tbh.

Just some have more than others.

Even then you're just giving up SR for utility or small gains like Bounding Stride or Honed Reflexes.

Granted, yeah - get what's useful, drop what isn't - but I don't see dropping SR making a kill happen or turning out a top-end parse.

Just shedding weight for small QOL

[fallen pulsar]

I wonder how worth it parsing wise wrecking throw is for Raszageth since she has the beeg shield

[cinder nova]

Yes.

You save it for when everyone stacks and you roll your offensives.

[fallen pulsar]

yeah I imagine its yuge damage

[cinder nova]

My biggest on a sloppy kill was 208K

So, yeah.

With 4 casts it's almost 1k DPS

And I missed a cast, too.

So it'd be higher.

I'd lose Pain and Gain or Overwhelming Rage over SR for Razs, though.

Probably P&G

[fallen pulsar]

yeah I was thinking P&G too

[cinder nova]

If you big pp then Overwhelming Rage is the play, but I see moments where I have a lot of high prio stuff and a Sudden Death proc, and I want to SS before I SD so I can fish for SS.

And having to choose not to SS for overcap without also starving from IP is eh

I feel washed. All of SL I was pink and orange parsing effortlessly, now I'm struggling to get orange.

[lusty grotto]

more people playing warrior

just make a parsing group and do those parsing strats

like everyone does when they are meta

i wouldnt feel bad about it tbh

when compared to cheese strats for parsing

you seem to be doing rather well without them

[tender cove]

superb docuement but RLP is bugged becaue you cant read all the texts, some columns cover each other

[weary python]

What should we drop for disrupting shout?

[tender cove]

Rage is like trying to boil milk... It only boils over when you're not looking.

[tender cove]

prob thunderlord

if you opted for battering ram instead? you'd drop that.

[lucid maple]

Is prot warrior strong enough defensively to do mythic/low level m+ without a healer?

[tender cove]

yes and no. You are. your dps will not be.

[mighty valley]

you could probably solo some m0s but why would you want to

[lucid maple]

So i could go into one probably and practice keeping defensives up on a trash pull somewhat indefinitely?

[mighty valley]

you could just use a training dummy

[lucid maple]

This was a question not a response to harrow btw

Do any dummies do good damage back?

[toxic geyser]

It’s infinitely scaling

[eternal marsh]

super dumb question but can i enchant my shield?

[toxic geyser]

So yes, eventually

[toxic geyser]

No

[eternal marsh]

damn ok ty

[toxic geyser]

Nws

[frozen rose]

Where is the best training dummy to practice against at the moment?

[fallen pulsar]

wish the dummies had a reset all cooldown and resources NPC

[toxic geyser]

If you really don’t want to use a dummy go into m0 Uldaman and pull everything up to but not including the trogg boss

[fierce geyser]

anyone know if there's a bis prot warrior list somewhere? Would prefer one for mythic+ items but anything is better than nothing

[toxic geyser]

Pre sure they’re all in the pvp vendor hall in Valdrakken

[dusky fable]

any M+ talent builds i should run with 4 set?

or just normal M+ build

[toxic geyser]

Normal, probably want to deselect barbaric training and maybe swap to Brutal vitality instead of fueled by violence. If it wasn’t bugged it would be a more concrete choice

[dusky fable]

FBV is bugged?

or barb training

[toxic geyser]

Brutal vitality is bugged

[dusky fable]

oh really

does it not function at all?

[toxic geyser]

Once you cap IP it stops working until IP falls off

[dusky fable]

so swap to FBV?

[toxic geyser]

But like… in higher content you drop IP

So it still has value

[dusky fable]

so still run bugged if doing like

18-20s?

what would you take instead of barb training

[toxic geyser]

Nom has a bunch of good builds pinned

[toxic geyser]

What’s your current build look like

[toxic geyser]

Bounding Stride is very good

Also intervene has niche use

[dusky fable]

yeah i'll usually swap to int for like

HoV

with dog mechanic

[toxic geyser]

Yeah exactly

I like bounding

Could go bigger rage cap if you want

Barbaric is just not great with 2 set

[dusky fable]

even with 4 set?

still dog eh

[toxic geyser]

I don’t think 4 set would make it better

If anything you’d want more buff uptime

[primal jetty]

i like taking Impenetrable Wall over Enduring Alacrity

[toxic geyser]

So it probs gets worse

[primal jetty]

1min CD shield wall is nice

[dusky fable]

yea i saw that

in the build link on pin

[toxic geyser]

Uhh, alacrity is good

I’d drop TL

Or the 5% Stam on bottom right

[dusky fable]

isn't TL

like giga good?

more shouts, more rage more avatar time?

[toxic geyser]

It desyncs cds

[fallen pulsar]

is the algethar puzzle box actually terrible? or just clunky

[toxic geyser]

One of the mods crunched the numbers and you still only get 2 demos per pack

Just means you’re not syncing all your CDs

[tender cove]

its not

[tender cove]

its not

Go for the pins or smt like this.

[toxic geyser]

Is if you’re not running HR

[primal jetty]

long channel feels icky

[dusky fable]

no UF?

[primal jetty]

is Bolster over Tough as Nails really worth with 100% uptime on SB?

[toxic geyser]

Fuck me sorry I meant enduring defenses is good

[dusky fable]

that seems icky

[toxic geyser]

You take bolster if you’re running ITF > HR

Otherwise, wouldn’t bother

[tender cove]

not really, its just my personal preference, i'd drop it spell block if neede.

[toxic geyser]

Taking rage cap over sidearm is bit sad too

[tender cove]

I wanted to try turtle and see if rotation felt better during burst with longer cd on TC. And nom says the difference is fairly small between them anyhow

[tender cove]

Its really not.

[toxic geyser]

Why not?

[tender cove]

rage cap is a valid QOL, sidearm is free damage but nothing major.

[toxic geyser]

It’s 700ish dps for free in a key where as rage cap is able to be played around right?

[tender cove]

Pretty much ye

[cinder nova]

I feel like taking rage cap in keys is a meme

I never have rage spent issues in keys, but the addition of SD in a ST rotation gives me a SS-resetting non-spender that I use over spenders.

So of course the threat of cap is higher.

[tender cove]

mmm, people said that and laughed at me during beta, wasn't until nom said it was a valid choice and nothing bad that people started accepting it xD

[cinder nova]

Valid =/= optimal.

[tender cove]

Where did i say it was optimal or better?
You lose bit of free damage for bit smoother gameplay. Nothing major in what you gain/lose.

[cinder nova]

I dunno, if by smoother you mean not pressing buttons.

[primal jetty]

What situations are you running SD over SF?

[cinder nova]

Any ST raid encounter.

I don't ever touch Overwhelming Rage in keys because I never have issues with overcapping in keys.

If anything I starve more in keys than in raid just because some shit forces me to hammer IP to not get deleted.

[edgy grail]

how good is big toe defensively?

[cinder nova]

However much parry that crit gives, more or less.

It's for damage, not defense.

[tender cove]

5% parry

[edgy grail]

so shit? lol

[tender cove]

i have the 385 version

[edgy grail]

I have 398

but like idk

[cinder nova]

We almost never touch pure tank trinkets.

[tender cove]

so probably 6-6.5?

[edgy grail]

been rather unluck with trinkets

[cinder nova]

Pretty sure toe parses well.

[primal jetty]

DF is probably closest to real defensive trinket we get IMO

[lusty grotto]

you and me both

[cinder nova]

Not sure what content you're doing that requires defensive trinkets to survive.

[edgy grail]

Idol of tramling hooves 🙂

I never stated that 😛

It was just a question about how good it is defensively

I can see how good it is for damage by simming

[lusty grotto]

yeah we're not talking about defensive trinkets at all

who does that

[primal jetty]

Wacky

[tender cove]

you like this?

such a mad trinket

[primal jetty]

immobilizing for 10 seconds is wacky some weeks

[lusty grotto]

is wacky most weeks

fuck that trinket

[tender cove]

its fun when you blast but less fun when you time bad and die 😄

[primal jetty]

DK I ran with suicided every time he used it

[mellow quartz]

that trinket is a sure way to die

[tender cove]

in 3 dungeons, i died once. Its not THAT bad. Just pop some cd's if you need

[primal jetty]

3 min Release Spirit CD

[dapper vapor]

Anyone know how to get WCL to show CPM stats across specs, aggregated?

[toxic geyser]

Yeah, idk not sold. Totally feel like if you cap rage that much that you need the help you can probably just be playing better, especially when you're leaving Sidearm on the table for it

[cinder nova]

☝️

As meme of an answer, yes - valid, but it's ultimately a skill issue.

[lusty grotto]

what are we talking about?

[cinder nova]

End of the day spec for the content you want to be able to hack it in, and to the tolerance of your actual capability and faculty, but an optimal choice it is not.

[tender cove]

overwhelming rage

[lusty grotto]

oh

[cinder nova]

Overwhelming in keys, specifically.

[lusty grotto]

OR was good for banner and because we had reprisal

its no longer needed

[cinder nova]

It has value in ST with SD.

[lusty grotto]

it does

but ST is not == keys

[tender cove]

I've never said it was needed. I said sidearm isn't major and nom says its a valid choice. Cant remember exactly how he phrased it.

[cinder nova]

Yeah.

Of course sidearm isn't major. It's 700 DPS over an entire key.

But you're just leaving it to crutch improper play.

Could you take BSV for +12s?

Sure.

Not optimal.

[lusty grotto]

yeah OR offers nothing more than to cover for bad caps

[tender cove]

What would you trade BSV for?

[lusty grotto]

on keys

[cinder nova]

BSV gets value when you're doing mongo keys and your gear is barely cutting it.

Like +18, maybe - at the lowest - and up.

[mighty valley]

idk, there are big pulls where bloodsurge + all CDs popped is gonna result in capped rage sometimes pretty much inevitably, don't think there's zero value in a point in overwhelming

[cinder nova]

Or bleeding edge mythic prog

[mighty valley]

can never really fit both points without giving up something major though

[tender cove]

no, not allowed, S here says its game breaking and you cant pick it.

[lusty grotto]

ive yet to put a talent point in BSV, i gotta be honest

[cinder nova]

Most people will never need to.

Ever.

[lusty grotto]

shit i almost did for some world pvp but was too lazy

S. youre preaching to the choir

this isn't new to me

[last mason]

are people still playing flame drake in rlp

[lusty grotto]

im not asking, im saying

[oak ivy]

Does anybody have an absolutely definitive answer about the tracking of the orbs on AV Last boss? I've heard they chase people that move, I've heard they chase heal aggro, i would like a final answer

[frozen rose]

Most rng feeling fight man

[tender cove]

I would like this too. It appears (to me) that it prio people who move and if nobody moves, healer.

[primal jetty]

Doesnt it go after highest stacks

[oak ivy]

those two ideas seem to agree

[frozen rose]

Oy. I do know it doesn’t like edges , hence why I hug the cave side

[primal jetty]

i hug the wall too but they always get to me eventually

bait leap kill

[frozen rose]

It’s true

[tender cove]

In the route i took, it doesn't. And also notes that if you do pull it, makes sure to save burst for when he hits 50% for the stacking dots.

[toxic geyser]

Still bugged tho right?

[mighty valley]

bugged how?

[lusty grotto]

BSV isnt bugged anymore

nome has to update that

[toxic geyser]

is BV still? 👀

[lusty grotto]

ok apparently nome still doesnt know

[toxic geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-slam-slam-desk-desk-slam-xqc-slam-gif-19145485

[lusty grotto]

interesting turn around there

BSV is fixed! wait no its not

if you watch XQC for more than 30 seconds in that gif, he starts getting in sync with the drumline on any song

[shut summit]

https://i.imgur.com/n4vstA1.png

was still proccing early couple days ago

[lusty grotto]

hmm

[tender cove]

Imagine being a software company, having game breaking bugs in their code, still ship it, still sells good and no fix weeks after launch.

its pretty pathetic lol

[mighty valley]

"game-breaking"?

[cerulean musk]

Does killing the same raid boss on heroic/normal count as 1 or 2 for the vault?

[tender cove]

IP stops working and BSV randomly procs, yes, thats the definition of game breaking?

[lusty grotto]

vault counts lockouts, so 1

[mighty valley]

yet prot warriors are used in the toughest content in the game?

[tender cove]

and...?

[mighty valley]

"game-breaking" means it stops people from actually being able to play the game

[tender cove]

its 7.15, i'm not gonna argue semantics with you lol

[mighty valley]

every single game has huge lists of worse bugs in it lmao

[lusty grotto]

these 2 have been ignored since beta though

its kinda weird

and i dont like to make assumptions

but im beginning to think both are intended

[tender cove]

and that makes it somehow good or acceptable?

[mighty valley]

it's just inevitable

when you work in games you see how these things happen, there's just a lot of places for each person to put their attention

[cerulean musk]

Thanks!

[tender cove]

I dont work with games specifically but I do work with software developers in my line of work.
This would never be acceptable in a prod enviorment of any kind. you'd be laughed and fired for it.

[lusty grotto]

its not the same

an mmo is massive

QA is much simpler for most projects

[mellow quartz]

This has been bugged for 2 months. Not fixing it is just laziness.

[lusty grotto]

in our line of work

[mellow quartz]

Reported sooo many times

[lusty grotto]

see thats my big issue

they really do not have a proper channel to report these things

i know you guys did in beta

[tender cove]

sure but most companies doesn't have a literal team of QA or even an entire department for it.

[mellow quartz]

They have bug report under support 🤷‍♂️

[lusty grotto]

and then there's the fucking bug report shit forum where oi posted about BV

[mighty valley]

it's probably low priority in a gigantic list of similar bugs and no one can be spared to burn them down

[lusty grotto]

and then there's tweets to WarcraftDevs

[plush briar]

BkEAR5QSZgdnGefDo4ho9ZGXKLECAAAAIJJSSCSLpkkkSDRgQRAlkEgISSCtQSCwB4AhAAAAAAAARAAoUaA
/m

[lusty grotto]

but you dont know what they actively monitor

[mighty valley]

QA has almost certainly found every bug we know about and a bajillion we don't know about

[mellow quartz]

They fixed and changed multiple other things during beta for our talents etc

[mighty valley]

but QA doesn't fix bugs as you know

[tender cove]

I dont but you will be sure that blizz has boh tools and stats to show it, very very easily.

this is not rocket science, not even a little bit.

[lusty grotto]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/brutal-vitality-talent-stops-working-after-hitting-ignore-pain-cap/1454691

that was me

[tender cove]

it should have raised numerous internal flags for it

they either dont care, its intended or they lack resources for it.

Neither is a good look

[mellow quartz]

I reported this every day for a week on beta a month before launch.

They know

[mighty valley]

clearly reporting it isn't the issue

[tender cove]

they would know even if nobody reported it

[mellow quartz]

They fixed other stupid small things for our talents but not these.

[mighty valley]

there's no producer who's saying "let's pull a designer off've critical future patch content to browse through big lists of minor class bugs"

[lusty grotto]

uhh i disagree

[tender cove]

they are two different teams

actually 3 teams

[mellow quartz]

There clearly is or no bugs would ever get fixed lol

[honest falcon]

So dont ever hit ignore pain cap

?

[mellow quartz]

In hard content IP gets consumed often

[mighty valley]

designers often end up fixing bugs ad hoc when they're done with their main responsibilities

[lusty grotto]

yeah dont twist this out, i just mentioned reporting it cause its one of my gripes

[mellow quartz]

You are just guessing though

[lusty grotto]

im not saying its the root of any issue, dont misunderstand

[mighty valley]

sure, except i've worked as a designer at multiple game studios

[mellow quartz]

But not wow

[tender cove]

I dont know if it changed but in dev blue posts, they've said they have team for the upcoming expansion. They have team for the expansion after that (they develop 2 at a time) and they also have maintaince team once the latest expo is shipped

but it could have changed over the years

[lusty grotto]

they can also say their dad is blizzard's president

it doesnt mean anything

and also

[tender cove]

why would you make the assumption they lie about it?
Its also fairly standard practice in the industry

[lusty grotto]

an employee can belong to multiple teams

[past laurel]

What would be the best talent build for say 10-20s?

[mighty valley]

my president is blizzard's dad

[lusty grotto]

either way

even if it is true

that was in the past

they bled employees

during SL and throughout their whole scandal/lawsuits

sure they did buy that one studio

[tender cove]

sure but if you've worked in multiple game studios or just software development. The second a product ships, you move onto the next project and maintains team takes over.

[mighty valley]

that's definitely not how living games work

[lusty grotto]

when massive layoffs/firings happen, work tends to be reassigned and there's often things that get lost in the cracks

[tender cove]

Show me one dev that worked on a project for years that wants to do maintaince for it and I got a bridge to sell you

[lusty grotto]

doesnt matter they'd have to do it if they dont have the team

[mighty valley]

uh... yeah this is every big service game

[lusty grotto]

i.e. they get fired for sexual harassment or drinking breastmilk from the fridge

[tender cove]

Yes, blizz, with their thousands of employees over the world doesn't have the resources for that

[lusty grotto]

you're making A LOT of assumptions here

[tender cove]

I'm basing on what blizz devs themselves have said

[mighty valley]

most of those thousands of employees are not game designers

[tender cove]

Ok, blizz, the 68 billion company, one, if not the largest game studio in the world, doesn't have resources for that.

[lusty grotto]

...

[tender cove]

No matter how you spin it

[lusty grotto]

you mean activision?

[tender cove]

its embarrsing

[mighty valley]

i just think

we're maybe overblowing a couple of bugs

ask every class discord if their class has worse bugs and of course they'd say yes

[mortal brook]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1sQxw7FD2IAivVsvYa_H4cztixExiiF5-IEhgj-ZeBpo/edit?usp=sharing

[mighty valley]

but yes, game development is always more of a clusterfuck than you think

[lusty grotto]

steve

how come

[mortal brook]

its been a trip

[lusty grotto]

i didnt know you and lincoln were mods in the pally discord until my brother showed me the pins

[mortal brook]

i am not a mod

[tender cove]

Steve is the best mod. Lincoln not so much xD

[lusty grotto]

ok pink name

[mortal brook]

i am not a pink name

[lusty grotto]

dont you dare lie to me

[tender cove]

he's just being humble

[lusty grotto]

Lincoln is just Mwahi's cat remember

on a serious note

yeah that's kind of a reality check

we have 3 bugs, at least that we're tracking

pallies have been tracking all of those

multiply that by 3 and then by every class in the game

maybe just maybe, they know about it

but its not really high prio

[tender cove]

That...thats just makes what i've been saying a lot worse. I dont know how else to put it. Its embarrassing. And i think making excuses for them is bit lame.

[mighty valley]

yeah man

if you figure out bug-free game development

[lusty grotto]

im not making excuses for them

but its okay to be realistic about some things

[mighty valley]

you're gonna be a rich person

[lusty grotto]

realistic and still be critical

im not on blizzard's side most of the time

[tender cove]

Is everything black and white?

Just curious, where would you draw the line yourself? at 1 bug? 5? 10? 100?

[mighty valley]

maintaining the biggest old-ass game in the world is very hard. would be really cool if they were better at it, but it's not the most exciting, best paying place to work in games right now

[lusty grotto]

idk man, there are things on the projects im working on that we find out during UAT

[mighty valley]

lmao 100 bugs

[lusty grotto]

and no amount of code reviews

which I do

because im the senior dev

will ever find

it happens

[mortal brook]

100 bugs in the code, 100 bugs in the code. take one down, patch it around, 107 bugs in the code

[lusty grotto]

fuck you guys

[mighty valley]

if i showed you the list of known shippables on every league of legends thing i did, you might die

[tender cove]

I'll take your word for it haha. I dunno, i dont expect things to be perfect, specially going from internal to live.
At the same time? There has to be some minimum standard and rn? I feel blizz is below it, way below it.

[lusty grotto]

going back to what started this

id say the minimum standard is "game breaking" or "not game breaking"

but with the actual game breaking definition

[tender cove]

And what is the label for talents not working? Just a bug?

[lusty grotto]

as in, not being able to play

[tender cove]

But you're not able to play those talents

[lusty grotto]

well you can but

they arent working as expected

[mighty valley]

they're both competitive talents in certain situations

it's not like you can't take them

[tender cove]

you know what i mean

[mighty valley]

no, we don't - you're saying you can't play them, but you can, there are just cases where they don't work perfectly

sorry this is a very long and very bad conversation

[lusty grotto]

@mortal brook how long have some of those pally bugs been tracked for? are there any that have been there for a long time? and which has the longest track time without being fixed?

[mighty valley]

i don't know what the end goal is

this isn't enough to make me spit on blizzard games and stop playing wow

[mortal brook]

since alpha

for many

[tender cove]

Ok. They're not gamebreaking, i can still pick them but they're not working. Have we worked out the semantics now?

[lusty grotto]

so they are DF bugs?

[chilly brook]

uhhh

[mortal brook]

most

well

many

[lusty grotto]

hmm

[chilly brook]

idk what the specifics are on this

but

if we're talking talents, in fairness this is a complete redesign

There are going to be some bugs expected

[mortal brook]

majority of the ones left are inconveniences rather than player power. most all those have been fixed at least since like, past couple weeks

[chilly brook]

Like tier was bugged for a few classes last xpac

This is exponentially more complex

[mortal brook]

wings glyphs not working on sentinel sorta crap

[lusty grotto]

yeah honestly i'd say they are probably tackling them down slowly, but like i said, there's how many? 12 classes in the game? most of which have 3 specs, 4 for druid, 2 for evoker/dh... that's a lot of bugs

[chilly brook]

Obviously we want better, and having no bugs would be great, but it's just not realistic

[lusty grotto]

agreed

[chilly brook]

Which is a great place to be if you're going to have bugs

[tender cove]

there is no end goal here lol. I just said it was embarssing and gamebreaking bugs and that lead into a semantics discussion about what bugs and gamebreaking actually is, which was beyond pointless. I agree.

[chilly brook]

I wouldn't call any of the prot bugs "gamebreaking"

[mighty valley]

internally they would use "gamebreaking" to mean things that break the game

[chilly brook]

The biggest gambreaking bug that exists for warrior is Arms

And more specifically Arms just not existing on the meters

[lusty grotto]

[chilly brook]

[lusty grotto]

y u do dis

[chilly brook]

Because it's true and funny

[lusty grotto]

[chilly brook]

And because the pain in my soul from the reality of Arms being hyperbad is somewhat assuaged by making fun of it

[lusty grotto]

i thought as much

but still hurts

[chilly brook]

I was really looking forward to Arms this xpac 😦

giga WWs on a 10 second CD or whatever sounded pog

[mighty valley]

they've made arms a lot more fun imo, tuning can be fixed going forwards

[chilly brook]

hopefully more tuning coming Soon TM

[mighty valley]

but it'll take a lot for me to like it more than fury

[chilly brook]

I'd wager we'll likely see another pass 10.0.5

Arms' real issue is the hyper focus on one end of damage or the other at least for raid

[mighty valley]

yeah there are a lot of specs like that right now

[chilly brook]

Which imo is fine as a design principal

[mighty valley]

but idk, hard to fix without everything feeling a little homogenized?

[chilly brook]

But if you're going to do that

Then when you hyperfocus you need to be rogue levels of single target in either aoe or single target

obviously at the detriment of one or the other depending on what you spec for, but if trees for some classes are going to force you in a direction it needs to perform

and I would be fine with that

[mighty valley]

it's rough for things like arms and ele sham when there are rarely kinds of content that are truly all ST or all AOE

you just feel worse in the other situation

[chilly brook]

Well

That's why I said they'd need to be assassination rogue levels of performance in single target or aoe if they spec'd that way

Sin has historically just been so good at single target that you just say "everyone else go aoe he'll do all the boss dam"

if that's the kind of result you get if you have to hyperfocus either way then that's good design within the confines of being forced to all in single target or aoe

[tender cove]

What do you feel about making either arms/fury the aoe/st spec and you have to pick the spec rather than talent build but excel in the same way you're describing?

[chilly brook]

eh

ideally they're both good in either

they both play so differently I'm not a fan of one being the defacto "st" spec and "aoe" spec

[lusty grotto]

yeah me neither

hyperfocusing seems fine tbh

[tender cove]

but if you hyperfocus arms into either, dont you get that anyhow? Why would you take fury if arms is vastly superior at it?

[chilly brook]

Sometimes I just wanna feel like I'm swinging a huge hammer and just cracking skulls with one swing, other times I wanna feel like I'm wildly swinging two giant swords and cutting someone to pieces

[lusty grotto]

i think we're talking about hyperfocused talenting

not hyperfocus specs

[chilly brook]

because currently Fury just does everything well without much detriment to single target or aoe

[lusty grotto]

or at least talenting is what i meant when i said it seems fine

[chilly brook]

it would be fight and group dependent

[tender cove]

ahh, fair enough.

[chilly brook]

in a world where this was perfectly balanced and you kept the hyperfocus thing, fury would likely be a little behind in pure ST or AoE but more adaptable to either in any given situation

[lusty grotto]

i just dont like the approach theyve been taking with focusing way too fucking much into execute, or so it seems to me

[chilly brook]

for example let's say there's a boss that spawns adds consistently during the fight and it's cleave fairly often

Arms if spec'd for ST would do a significant amount more boss damage but fury would likely do similar overall or more

similar to how sin rogues functioned on a boss like KT but warrior could still be up on meters just simply because of add cleave

[slim dove]

10.0.5 is helping arms a ton however.

[lusty grotto]

idk about those changes tbh

we'll see how it pans out

[sick sentinel]

#protection

Oh sorry thought I was in the wrong channel

[slim dove]

?

who cares

[sick sentinel]

👮‍♀️

I care

[livid dagger]

What do prot warriors use to proc the fire rings from raid?

[short vale]

Frostfire belt craft thingy,
Fire trinkets etc

[cinder storm]

I have a feeling, that ITF is better once we practice more, knowing when to kite or not blocking for the seconds a boss is doing an animation

But HR makes things a lot smoother in other senses

Same

[edgy grail]

ITF is better with more haste was well

[lusty grotto]

its not just being experienced

its maintaining the 5 stacks

if you cant consistently do it, its kinda eh

[cinder storm]

Aka hoping no one dies

But it gives a glimpse into the future us so there's that

[lusty grotto]

depending on melee/pets

you need to have a certain amount of mobs near you at all times

and on keys bosses, its pretty bad

because you'll never have a raid sized group

so you wont ever have 5 stacks

[short vale]

Dunno on m+ up to 20s bosses hitting me isn’t the issue even if I drop block for a bit, I can’t see myself using itf during packs though - dropping sblock uptime is scary af

[limber python]

how does the first ring in azure work do u have to kill all of the mobs to get to the second ring or only some of them

[short vale]

First ring need all mobs, 2nd u can theoretically skip completely if u can reach the book

[steady steppe]

I think u need all of them for count if u skip the first welp packs

[cinder storm]

I don't disagree, but from my SL experience shockwave and kiting a bit is nothing new

[short vale]

I hate kiting, if I’d like to kite I’d play some dh memer

[cinder storm]

Some people are trying other routes by skipping rings but I honestly don't see much purpose, AV is pretty hold W

[limber python]

for the first ring do u go left or right

[cinder storm]

I always go left on both

[steady steppe]

I go right on second ring

Cause they give more % I think

[limber python]

yea i went right oin the first ring my last run and i think i failed the key cuz of it cause i didnt have any room to aim the frontals

[slim dove]

frontals need to be stopped

stun/fear/disorient

[limber python]

im pugging tho 😂

[slim dove]

you got your own stops

shock wave first cast bolt/charge second fear 3rd

[cinder storm]

And SW for the ones you don't, I tend to save shield charge to stop one

[slim dove]

if they live to 4th cast your dps are sleeping

[short vale]

If u can do the huge whelp triggered packs u can play 100% before 2nd boss and it fits perfect on bl timings

[limber python]

fair enough i usually waste my charge

its the one with 2 mobs tho

[cinder storm]

I try to always pull those with the pat if possible

Storm bolt if talented, shockwave, fear, charge, fear, SW spell reflect d stance last resort but they are usually dead by then

I said fear twice lol

[short vale]

Sometimes u hit the jackpot when a melee dps stuns both on a cast, that’s a great surprise

I try to line avatar/dwarf clear to root so I don’t have to move from the big crystals dudes root, don’t hold avatar for it too much tho, I also try to play engi knock belt to cover a cast if I’m empty on everything else.
I like those packs rly, good % for the time invested imo

[devout pewter]

Hi everyone. I wanted to ask you a question.
It's been pointed out to me by healers in my guild that sometimes they have to heal me too much.
I saw some logs, and I noticed that I have half of the used ignore pains and double the used revenge...
My question is:
I had stopped at shadowlands where you used ignore pain only when it expires or you have consumed the mitigation... instead I saw that many always spam it anyway...
Is it right to do this?

[short vale]

Just to prevent over capping rage and if u can’t burn it using revenge fast enough.

If they have to heal you a lot usually it means dropping sblock or not using defensives enough/on the correct timings.

(More often than they mean wrong IP usage)

[devout pewter]

They complain about this problem, as a day care worker we have 65% less care...

[snow blaze]

Just got a 418 Seal of Filial Duty from my weekly.
Any way Prot Warrior procs that?

[still mirage]

Frostfire belt

[snow blaze]

Is it worth crafting for this purpose? (I'm assuming a craft?)

[slim musk]

do we take the haste or healing taken buff in AA

[short vale]

They don’t iirc

[storm merlin]

The adds on the first boss do

[jagged pier]

Grieftorch flame of delcoration frostfire belt

[fathom goblet]

How do you guys deal with last pack on temple of jade ?

I have some mobs hitting me melee for 200k with SB up

Ok

Not sure why they hit so bad

[near notch]

Im pretty sure it’s the shadow claw cast and the frontal from the sha at the same time

[fathom goblet]

Whats your ilvl ?

The frontal is from the big add

[near notch]

Nah the the little sha has one too

[fathom goblet]

Shadow claw is what is killing me

[near notch]

Everything In that pack cranks

Idk but spell block may work there haven’t really tried I just run like hell

[cold pollen]

reflect the shadow claw

or stun it

[fathom goblet]

The third boss on jade

Also hits me badly

[blazing condor]

that one hurts yeah

you gotta rotate defensives and play spell block p much

[fathom goblet]

I try to have IGnore pain and sb up

[blazing condor]

spell reflect as well

[fathom goblet]

Yeah

[blazing condor]

you can reflect the 1st phase strike

or deflect

[near notch]

Ur healer needs to have a brain for the absorb from third boss or it gets rough

[blazing condor]

if you play the stairs strat your healer doesn't need to move

makes it easier

[near notch]

Yeee i just heard about the z axis trick wanted to try that

[fathom goblet]

Because the boss hit me then use that circle that I need avoid the waves

I already use the stairs

[rough egret]

if im not able to spent 70k on weap enchant? which one should i buy? 😄

[slender wedge]

how many haste are we pointing to geT?

i already have like 27%

[fathom goblet]

I’m not worrying about min max now

I just go for ilvl

[blazing condor]

well ilvl is min/maxing

cus strength > secondaries

[fathom goblet]

Well

I meant I don’t have extra gear at same ilvl that I could swap for diferent stats

I think its 30 or 35%

There is a soft cap

[warm plinth]

There's not a soft cap. There are diminishing returns on all secondaries but that doesn't mean you stop going for the stat when you hit that point.

[blazing condor]

most people probably play thunderlord just cus they copy paste the recommended builds

thunderlord is the default pick

[rough egret]

Haste proc enchant is okay right? 😄

[neat wagon]

Hello everyone! Which dungeons should i use spell block for sure? or it ok/wprth to go with generally?

[warm plinth]

TJS, RLP, and tyrannical HoV

[hazy sluice]

HoV because of hyrja's laser or what ?

[warm plinth]

yeah

[hazy sluice]

Ah k

[warm plinth]

gets real spicy on high tyrannical

[neat wagon]

and rlp what specifically?

[warm plinth]

like...everything

XD

RLP has a bunch of bad shit in it

[neat wagon]

😄

[hazy sluice]

I used it yesterday on jade temple but in the hectic I didn't see exactly what it did on the jade hits. It looked like i still got the healing debuff and damage ? Does it completely negate a jade hit ?

Or do i still get the healing debuff

My health bar looked like it had a health bar debuff

[blazing condor]

spell block doesn't negate spells like spell reflect does

[warm plinth]

It's block; it's just DR, and it won't work on the DoT portion of that ability

[blazing condor]

it just "blocks" magic damage like shield block blocks physical

its just magic mitigation

[warm plinth]

But it helps with the up front damage, and it also helps with Dark Claws on the adds before 3rd boss.

[hazy sluice]

Yeah for the dark claw pack I felt it immensely, with 2 shield walls and spell block I didn't need to kite

[warm plinth]

If you don't feel like you need it, you're probably not doing high enough keys where you need it so take it with a grain of salt.

Like HoV is probably not til over 15 tyr

[hazy sluice]

But on the jade hits I expected to like not get any dmg not even a debuff

[warm plinth]

Nah it doesn't work that way unfortunately

It's just like our regular block. It just works on magic.

[charred ivy]

anyone here know why the spell reflect WA doesnt work for me? i have enemy name plates on. and i see the CD of WA so its active

[hazy sluice]

And perhaps u may help with another question. The bird before 2nd boss in temple one shot my melee DPS with his peck

The bird was at around 1/3 of his total ho and I know by the color of my nameplates if I lose aggro

I'm really sure I had aggro. Why did it my melee DPS ?

Like did I outrange it and it pecks whatever is closest ?

[blazing condor]

territorial display?

otherwise maybe it fervent strikes melees

[hazy sluice]

I logged yesterday

But couldn't make out why it hit him instead of me

Really curious

[blazing condor]

well what ability hit him

[hazy sluice]

Ferocious peck was the name iirc

[blazing condor]

then it probably hits whats closest if tank isnt in range

[hazy sluice]

Nah vicious peck

[blazing condor]

just run out of terrirotial display then charge back in

[hazy sluice]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JVRPqTMw4G9YzavC#fight=3&type=summary

Yeah I may have slagged there. Good to know for the next run he's doing that

[last crest]

whats better value at 418, Lariat or the Wrists ?

[rough egret]

thunderlord reduces cd by up to 3seconds per enemy or overall?

[slender wedge]

at least on 16 - 17 with good defensive rotations you can resist laser

maybe with high keys they mean 20's :c

[edgy bone]

Can someone link me the

Spell reflect

[slender wedge]

prob you will need it

[edgy bone]

spreadsheet

[remote dawn]

how much we need 2 set or 4 set ?

[slender wedge]

i think the good part of our set comes from 4 set

anyway i dont think our set its like awesome, or it is?

[limpid anchor]

Passive perma 4% dmg increase and def increase isn’t awesome?

[ashen arch]

is it worth dropping 16 ilvls on gloves for 2x set? aka 382 LFR tier vs 398 goldsteel gloves?

[limpid anchor]

[urban portal]

2% def but yeah

[urban portal]

100% worth

[ashen arch]

ty

[wanton shale]

The 4 rapid hit Searing thing that Kokia in RLP does is blockable with just having SB up?

[urban portal]

16 ilvls is not 4% dps

[wind cliff]

Hey there, i see many people playing Intro the Fray instead of Heavy Repercution i dont get it, looks hard to maintain shield block with Into the Fray even with 30% haste

[urban portal]

Take other block talents

Like bolster

Or just fill gaps with shield wall or other defensive s

[blazing condor]

[honest vale]

Yep. It's the DoT after that hurts.

[hazy sluice]

Can u dispel the dot ?

[honest vale]

If you're a Dwarf or have a paladin in the party for BoP.

Otherwise, no, as it's a bleed.

[hazy sluice]

Ok so heal can't dispel?

Kk

[solar blade]

its a physical debuff

[hazy sluice]

Ah fuck

[honest vale]

Block the swings, then use a personal or call for an external for the DoT.

[silent anchor]

Who has the wa with cast timings on plater?

[sweet summit]

https://wago.io/B-saNwgCJ

[static aspen]

New year in booty bay

[strong forum]

evoker can dispel it

[proper moth]

Are there any base abilities that can be successfully macroed together to save up space in binds? Tried looking at the resources but couldn't find anything related

[strong forum]

nah not rly

every macro that "combines" spells for the sake of reducing keybinds, will hinder your performance

the only good macro is the intervene/charge one and the stance dance macro

[proper moth]

Thanks!

[high drum]

is there a way to specify quality in a macro

without using bagslots

[sweet summit]

for pots?

[median tulip]

I macro my racial into Avatar

[dusky igloo]

When you guys reckon its worth getting rid of the cobalt assembly rings?

[noble lynx]

TIL dont charge into raging tempest

[warm plinth]

😂

[sweet summit]

sr on pull

[noble lynx]

dude like

it took me on a circle

into 2-3 swirlies

https://i.imgur.com/yHkk89P.png

so does reflect negate that shit

xd

[dusky igloo]

Yeah, was thinking of crafting a ring with good stats but I guess I'll go for a shield. I already have tier pants and 411 bracers so any of the embellished stuff feels like a wasted spark

[strong forum]

It reflects it for full dmg

[noble lynx]

the ground effect?

[strong forum]

Oh no not the ground effect

[noble lynx]

cause i charged in

it took me on a tour

[strong forum]

Skill issue

Clearly

[noble lynx]

next time im leaping

and shield charge melee range

[strong forum]

Leap into charge

So you still get the extra rage

[noble lynx]

i guess that will always be a line right

[strong forum]

I've never had charge sperg out when I did that ye

Or atleast I can't remember

[lone eagle]

Lucked into getting the ring out of my 4 m0 chest on my pwar so went ahead and crafted the belt

Honestly its great, but kind of unimpressed given how bonkers cobalt ring is

I guess stat budget is way more generous on the seal of filial duty

[strong forum]

Well the fire rings don't give up any stat budget

[lone eagle]

ye

[strong forum]

And I'd assume our proc rate of the fire rings is smaller than say on a vdh or shaman

[lone eagle]

That as well

Got my cowl on my bear so next shot I get at the ring

[proper moth]

Was there any further testing in terms of BrV and FbV? Does the pinned message still hold true that FbV is only beneficial in lower keys

[lone eagle]

I'm claimin it

VDH cotank already got his

[strong forum]

Message still holds true

Especially once you got 4pc

[lone eagle]

Is BrV officially fixed?

[strong forum]

No

[lone eagle]

I know you mentioned it seemed like it was before

[strong forum]

I re-confirmed that it's not fixed

[lone eagle]

ahh kk, didn't seem like it earlier but thought I might have been mismathing

What are you guys doing overall in Nokhud atm, say on a ~16?

I'm doing about 40k at 396 with some 379 pieces holding me back and no tier/bad trinkets, but it feels like I could be doing more

[strong forum]

Last time I did nokhud I was around 48?

Smth between 46-48k I think

[lone eagle]

Kk, sounds like I'm right on track then

Just gotta gear a bit more

[strong forum]

Couldn't do any keys this week cuz I'm down with the sickness

[lone eagle]

do have a 418 wep

same had the flu few days ago

just got over it

[strong forum]

Once I get my 418 weppy I'll prolly do like 55-60k in Notgud, haven't done the key with my current gear yet

[heady nest]

does anyone know why i cant get my 3rd spark on an alt? i finished the quest up till the 2nd but theres no continuation

[lone eagle]

nothing like the brain fog kicking in on M Terros prog and you run the wrong way when line is coming up

Funny enough, I was spoiled by Conqueror's Banner when relearning pwar during the prepatch

Find my biggest mistake these days is over casting revenge

[strong forum]

Did you do the campaign?

Cuz I think you get a spark from the campaign or

[heady nest]

as far as i could do it

[strong forum]

Yeah revenge is quite low prio now

[lone eagle]

Having to break my "dump all my rage because I passively generate it like crazy anyway" habit

[wet crow]

my stance dance macro works for arms but not for prot? 😦

anyone else having the issue?

[lone eagle]

Especially feel dumb when I overspend on Revenge and then am sitting with a Violent Outburst proc ready but SS on a 4s CD

and don't want to press TC for obvious reasons

[strong forum]

The order of stances is different for prot

[wet crow]

could you please link the prot one?

[strong forum]

Macro to toggle between Defensive Stance/Battle Stance:

#showtooltip
/cast [stance:2]!Defensive Stance;!Battle Stance

[wet crow]

thank you

[last crest]

Do i want Lariat or Wrists first on 418 ?

[silent anchor]

Thank you

[warm plinth]

Not sure if you actually went to the engine, but there should be a quest there; it's just hidden on the map by the icon for the engine.

[blazing condor]

^

like 5 guildies have complained about no spark quest

cus they dont see it on the map

[strong forum]

Wrist would be better as it does have mainstat

[blazing condor]

lariat should stay bis through the patch right?

[strong forum]

Eh

Kinda?

It's as good as any other embellishment so uh

[blazing condor]

doesnt feel like its a certain bis

but like

its good

and idk what would replace it

unless you go for another embellishment

• another great neck

[heavy temple]

I think, I'll craft items to have all embelishments available (vers stack, haste proc on legs, lariat, armor spike, and frostfire belt) with my sparks

The thing I don't understand is, why so few people run the leg haste proc

It sims so well for me, but so few use it, I am curious about the reason why

[glacial flint]

It blocks tier slot. And isn't good on single target fights

[heavy temple]

Which is why I looked at warriors doing mainly m+

[glacial flint]

Also alot running raid rings.. So they use belt to procc it

[heavy temple]

true

But frost fire seems to be also the best ST choice

for me at least

without even considering dps/shield ring

[glacial flint]

Absorb is giga yee

[heavy temple]

I think ill compare absorb ring from cobalt with broodmother ring today

while using blet

*belt

[glacial flint]

I'll think we see more legs around end of January. When people have enough sparks and 5 set tier / can craft tier

[heavy temple]

Yeah

[glacial flint]

There 2 legs from raid alone.. They way easier to get than a belt also.

[heavy temple]

yeah

[strong forum]

Cuz it's shit?

[heavy temple]

I looked at warriors maining m+

[strong forum]

8-10% haste (only in m+) for 10 seconds?

How is that good?

[heavy temple]

Well I simmed 5T 1min with legs

[strong forum]

So the best case scenario for it

[noble lynx]

when do you guys walk out of melee to reflect raging tempest

[heavy temple]

its like 8% dmg increase whereas belt is only like 2.1%

[noble lynx]

wind burst seems to be low on his spell prio

was sitting there for like 6 seconds holding my shield

[strong forum]

Yeah now go sim 1 target 3 minutes

Which is your typical m+ boss

The pants are maximum bait

Very low actual value

[heavy temple]

But thats only like 25 to 33% of the dungeon

[strong forum]

Yeah and the pants have 10% uptime over the entire course of a key

So for 90% of the key

[heavy temple]

Sorry, dont want to sound argumentative. I'm just trying to understand

[strong forum]

You have a dead slot

Ya no it's fine

But like

You have an embellishment that is practically non-existant for 90% of a key

[heavy temple]

I thought about that, but thats the same logic with a on use trinket or?

You mostly pop CDs on pull

so it stacks with CDs

[strong forum]

But you don't have better options when it comes to trinkets

[heavy temple]

how does it compare to assembly absorb? or is it he dps ring?

[heavy temple]

You have stat sticks

like you have frostfire belt or vers bracers

[long stone]

What Item cause fire dmg for us to choose the raid ring ?

Hm

[heavy temple]

That's well beyond the curve id say

[strong forum]

Yeah and the frost fire belt is good because it enables the fire rings
The vers bracers are good cuz they're up all the time and on average 1%stats (just like ANY other embellishment)

The on-use trinkets just fucking blow everything out the park however

[heavy temple]

Thats true 😄

[strong forum]

Cuz the only stat stick trinket we have is hunger of the pack

[heavy temple]

Thanks alot for your time, appreciate the discussion

[strong forum]

Which isn't a bad trinket

It's just that grieftorch/whetstone/boon are so fucking powerful

[long stone]

So craft bracers or belt with this week spark 😄 if i have weapon and the neck ?

[strong forum]

Ah well the raid vers trinket is also good

[strong forum]

Belt if you have fire rings

[heavy temple]

Im running decoration and granyth

Did 105 m+ or so, literally 1 trinket dropped xD

[long stone]

If not bracers?

[strong forum]

Or shield

Just for ilvl

[long stone]

Shield have i 408 Atm

[heavy temple]

Btw, what do you guys think about granyth?

[strong forum]

Not a fan

[heavy temple]

yeah, thought so

[strong forum]

Neither am I a fan of decoration

Both are super underwhelming

[heavy temple]

yeah, but well it is all I got so far

[strong forum]

I'm running boon+all-totem or whetstone+boon

Or maybe whetstone + vengeance idol

I'm truly blessed when it comes to trinkets

The only raid trinket I don't have is grieftorch

[long stone]

I want torch … but hunter got it -.-

And dito - 5/8 hc clear and no set piece Till now

M+ Tier Sets in vault maybe

Would be cool

Next week 415 wpn i Hope

Got my BS weapon 🙂

[sage granite]

I run torch and enduring scale. Could use puzzle box instead of scale but it feels terrible to use

[remote dawn]

need we the kovalt ring ?

[long stone]

It’s good

[sick sentinel]

yes both the cobalt rings are good (tank dps) but the dps one is better in alot of scenarios

takes fuck all to get them, just go to the place and follow the swarms of ppl on dragons help them kill shit for like, 3 hours

have to actually loot each corpse as the relevant mobs drop an item that immediately turns to rep as you loot them

[errant sedge]

Are the Bracers good for prot ? Because i got the third spark and dont know what to craft.. Got 415weapon with leech 405 Bs Shield and Neck

[wind quartz]

Confirm that Belt is better to craft than Lariat?

[wind quartz]

Whats this fire rings? where to get?

I have the cobalt ring and a Signet

[long stone]

Raid

First Boss

And on 7th

[wind quartz]

Ok so if dont have that rings then craft Lariat ya?

[chrome falcon]

@strong forum do we ever track 2pc

i wonder if it's worth trying to proc it on giga aoe packs since it's so much leech

[pallid quiver]

if you do mean 2pc, nah, not really, since we press revenge enough

Nome's just been sending nothing but revenge/TC on big enough AOE, too, so

[chrome falcon]

i'm still kinda just vibing my way through everything

pulling like high 50s/low 60s in most keys around 17/18 which feels fine for rando shit pugs

[pallid quiver]

pugs are hella wild recently

been doing keys with some of my friends, so they're only like +13s/14s,

i'm not sure if some of these people have a keyboard or even a gamepad

[chrome falcon]

i really like thundering in 5 stacks

but it's like

CRIMINAL for pugs

[pallid quiver]

i wish i could root my own party members

[oblique kayak]

just tanker my worst Shadowmoon 18 ever - holy hell. High gear high io player playing like complete shits XD

[pallid quiver]

gear and io mean nothing to me in terms of player skill

[oblique kayak]

usually my pugs are pretty ok - but this was…wow

[pallid quiver]

i've seen tanks in Mythic raid gear when playing with some of my friends that can only pull like 15k DPS ST

[sick sentinel]

stop inviting players based on ilvl io and instead invite them based on i q

[tiny hare]

Do u have à tool to show player’s Iq ?

[oblique kayak]

wish that was visible 😛

[thin finch]

it would be kinda weird to ask for someones i q test in order to accept them on a pug

[oblique wharf]

Make them solve some sudokus before inv xD

[sick sentinel]

if you see some fucker that joins your keys and then he moves the green circle that replicates out of the group and dispells himself of it...... add him to friends list

he has pinky mushy thing in skull called brain, in like new condition

[warm plinth]

Tell me how you really feel yogi

[forest lantern]

hey, starting logging my M+ runs, what sort of uptime should i be aiming for on shield block?

[warm plinth]

You're looking for % of blocked hits, not uptime

Your toon>damage taken>hover over the melee bar

[sick sentinel]

more importantly that you blocked a large % of hits, is also that you made absolutely sure to block the tank buster hits or things that hit for a shit load

[icy citrus]

Squad, is it possible for me to share you my logs of a key, so someone tell me how to do more dps?

[forest lantern]

Ah i see, thanks.

[warm plinth]

yeah you can post here, I'm sure someone will look at it

[icy citrus]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/N4BVP2vTdaQL9A3f#fight=last

[trail cipher]

do u guys find thunder clap cant seem to grab aggro vs eye beam/fury war?

[sick sentinel]

think of it this way, there is some ability that on a 16 becuase those drop max upgrade tokens, hits for 400k dmg totally unimitigated, if your high hp it probably wont outright kill you but pretty darn close, well, now the healer has to put time into making sure you are going back up to full HP so you don't die to something, rather than them focusing on healing a dps who is alot squishier. or doing dps themselves or something else useful.

[warm plinth]

You are pressing Ignore Pain too much and Revenge not enough @icy citrus