but thanks
#protection
tender pollen
pulsar sedge
Anyone have an addon that auto turns on combat logging when going into a key/raid?
steel mauve
teach a man to fish
cinder storm
Loggerhead
sweet summit
Anyone have an addon that auto turns on combat logging when going into a key/rai...
method raid tools has this option
steel mauve
but it also says at the top in the channel description check the pins before asking questions
zinc spruce
anyone else likes this?
sweet summit
hate it
zinc spruce
or is it just me
sweet summit
buggy af
zinc spruce
yeah
blazing condor
i played it when it was the best i had
zinc spruce
the balls wont go off sometimes
cinder storm
Yeah
zinc spruce
i like active trinkets
cinder storm
Stupid trinket for tanks
cinder storm
I have three and had to use one for the past two weeks
zinc spruce
i never had bug issues tbh
idk what triggers it
cinder storm
Balls should be bigger at least
gentle sphinx
is the spiteful storm trinket decent? it's doing like 10-13% of my damage in single target scenarios
pulsar sedge
Only issues i had is trying to make sure not to turn adds and kick the balls at the same time ;D
tired forge
is it possible to tank the skelletons in Shadowmoon burial grounds 15+?
pulsar sedge
I dont really miss it when i replaced it
tired forge
im getting 1 shot
thin silo
It's super short range
Measures to center of hitbox, so larger drakes/bosses can be meleeing you and still not in punt range
tired forge
or do u just get agro and run after stun
zinc spruce
no wonder my fury keeps overcapping kek
blazing condor
is it possible to tank the skelletons in Shadowmoon burial grounds 15+?
did it no issues on a 17 earlier
you just gotta be prepared that they hurt
cinder storm
Defensives
tired forge
they jsut 100 to 0 me lol
lunar delta
Spell block
cinder storm
Second pack I had to kite a bit on a 17
tired forge
oooo its a spell?
zinc spruce
they jsut 100 to 0 me lol
try kiting
tired forge
thats what im saking, do i jsut run after the stuns are up?
autumn atlas
If you stutter step backwards with them a little it’ll desync their casts and give you time to recover
icy citrus
guys, at what point is worth replacing that ring for m+?
cinder storm
When another sims higher after 418
cinder storm
thats what im saking, do i jsut run after the stuns are up?
Whenever you are in a pack and you are getting blasted, safe to assume it's either a bleed or mag dmg if playing properly, but for all intents and purposes, read the reflect sheet on the pins, it goes a long way
tired forge
will do
i had the spell reflect trackr but it didnt seem to tell me anything except when spell reflect was on CD
iunno if i had it worng or just didnt notice
steel mauve
thats all it can do, track its cd
tired forge
" It tracks incoming Reflectable and import Magic Damage spell casts."
i never saw it do that lol
cinder storm
Me neither
steel mauve
well damn i never even noticed that in the pins
cinder storm
But I also know what's targeting me and when to use it for the most part
steel mauve
at some point if i stop being lazy ill go through my nameplate addon and change all the spell cast colors to one specific color to show me whats reflectable
cinder storm
As long as it tells you what's targeting you
tired forge
i guess i jsut dont know whats a spell and whats a physical attack lol
steel mauve
meh, thats easy to determine
tired forge
how so? looking it up after im trucked? lol
cinder storm
That's the best way 
steel mauve
i mean the some one targetting you, otherwise you can look it upo]
most of the time its self explanatory of what is a spell/magic damage, and whats physical but not all the time
vocal nimbus
How are you guys using stances at 18s-20s
toxic pewter
is air totem master trinket any good or wat
cinder storm
Use d stance on dangerous pulls or tank bursters, like the elemental on AA or first pull HoV
sick sentinel
" It tracks incoming Reflectable and import Magic Damage spell casts."
it puts a bar on your screen and when the bar finishes your supposed to have spell block/reflect up
vivid silo
You know out of all tanks Prot feels incredible
sick sentinel
dk guy decided he wants to re-roll DH
tame jasper
@ionic fern What do you think, our 4pc bonus is worth? I could switch a 392 legs and 402 gloves to 389 legs and 382 gloves to get 4pc. I mean the leg downgrade is okay, but gloves are 20ilvl 😮
sick current
which embellishments do I get on the shield and sword sirs?
cinder storm
cinder storm
Don't be
sick current
checking now, I dont want to be that person >.>
cinder storm
We are here to help
sick current
tyy
candid veldt
Be better
mellow quartz
when you miss a 20 HOV by 18s with 10 deaths and a full wipe 😦
steel mauve
pins and guides have pretty much all basics and some advanced stuff, and what ever isnt clear can be asked in here
blazing condor
hov is a pretty tight timer
quartz pond
U can embellish Shields??
cinder storm
Molten defender
steel mauve
ya, ive had 1 death and +1'd an av, weve had over 10 deaths in another dungeon and +2'd it
cinder storm
Yeah, SBG is super lenient, it's bound to have a nerf
blazing condor
take 3 minutes off of SBG and spread them to a few other dgs
mellow quartz
Yeah, SBG is super lenient, it's bound to have a nerf
considering JY has been in its current state for 2 expansions of m+ then they are not going to touch smbg timer lol
cinder storm
I tried once doing JY without any buffs, it's actually a hard dungeon
cinder storm
I think timer there without buffs would've been interesting
prisma echo
Ok prot lads am i crazy or legion hov first boss in legion times spawns two dragons at same moment?
vocal nimbus
I dont think so
steel mauve
pretty sure it only spawned 1 at a time
prisma echo
So i am crazy
vocal nimbus
Ye
prisma echo
I was thinking it always spawns two
mellow quartz
hymdall is kinda a joke since they removed the frontal
quartz pond
Can't kill melee at the end on hymdall anymore..
signal mortar
what are best 2 trinkets from m+ only?
bold turret
hymdall is kinda a joke since they removed the frontal
Wait I’ve been dodging the melee standing on top of me for no reason?!
mellow quartz
maybe you had other reasons?
quartz pond
Wait I’ve been dodging the melee standing on top of me for no reason?!
Pretty much xD
steel mauve
hell i kept pulling mobs out of warriors spear of bastion because i didnt recognize it
until he used it on a dungeon boss and i was like i know they dont have a spell like that
edgy grail
I think timer there without buffs would've been interesting
They just needed the shock bots to stop scaling past like +15
It was too stupid
cinder storm
They just needed the shock bots to stop scaling past like +15
That'd work too
mellow quartz
Bc in bfa it wasn’t capped <:yep:703420923625078804>
do we really know that cause in BFA regular season 4 no one did higher than a 26 and post season only 11 keys were timed above a 30
edgy grail
Yes we do
Because they literally implemented it in SL
Unless you are saying that they removed it for SL and then added it back in
mellow quartz
I just dont recall it being implemented in SL, just recall the upping the key cap above 35 for the last MDI
sleek gulch
is 2nd boss RLP tankbuster phys or magic? tooltip for the dot says its bleed but its called searing blows and looks like fire
and can be parried
steel mauve
pretty sure its physical
mellow quartz
it's just a bleed effect
steel mauve
well she strikes you 4 times for weapon damage
steel mauve
there were 2 parts to his question though
sleek gulch
kk so spell block does notrhing
nothing
didnt know if it was weapon damage as fire for instance
worthy dirge
should the elemental lariat be gemmed with stamina/vers or haste/vers gem?
worthy dirge
just figured I would check in case there was some wierd interaction
mellow quartz
or haste crit or whatever you prefer
stark saddle
So i have a 392 crafted haste vers ring with a socket, is that good enough to replace the cobalt shield ring? like how much stats are worth losing the sheild
ashen arch
how many ilvls is 2xset worth dropping down?
flat sorrel
I’m learning prot currently. Is there a weak aura that tells me my rotation to use until I get use to it?
steel mauve
i imagine you could track abilities on cd and make them appear left to right in highest priority to lowest
but that would only be very generic as it wouldnt cover nearly all situations
chilly brook
I’m learning prot currently. Is there a weak aura that tells me my rotation to u...
Shield slam>TC>revenge
Press your CDs on CD
Enjoy
If you do that you’ll be achieving about 85-90% of your potential
Prot isn’t a “rotation” it’s a prio list
vivid silo
Prot is not so hard to learn as people think
flat sorrel
Just having issues managing my rage with ignore pain and shield wall
tender cove
is there a WA for m+ %? Like before going up to boss in halls etc?
flat sorrel
And revenge
chilly brook
Just having issues managing my rage with ignore pain and shield wall
Then you’re over using IP or not pressing shield slam enough
chilly brook
IP is not a magic button you need to press to keep it up 100% of the time
It’s a button you press to not cap rage
tender cove
no wago link and screenshot? 😄
south mural
is there a WA for m+ %? Like before going up to boss in halls etc?
Use mythic dungeon tools (mdt) and grab routes to start…I enjoyed tackyks beginner routes until I was able to tweek myself
steady steppe
no wago link and screenshot? 😄
chilly brook
And or when you’re taking a lot of damage
tender cove
Use mythic dungeon tools (mdt) and grab routes to start…I enjoyed tackyks beginn...
i have routes but its 8 dungeons to keep in mind, all the pulls etc. Easy to forget one mob here and there
chilly brook
TLDR you press IP to not cap rage or when you’re taking a ton of damage
Uptime isn’t a focus
It just naturally happens
flat sorrel
And shield wall should be 100% uptime?
steady steppe
shield block
tender cove
https://wago.io/4pHPrk9NM <:okayge:917646812519739433>
latest version is from august 2022? And doesnt seem to have DF dungeons?
flat sorrel
Or close to it
steady steppe
latest version is from august 2022? And doesnt seem to have DF dungeons?
i updated the link
sent the wrong one
steel mauve
confusing shield block with shield wall
chilly brook
You focus on blocking as many hits as possible
tender cove
i updated the link
ty
south mural
i have routes but its 8 dungeons to keep in mind, all the pulls etc. Easy to for...
So like in halls…you look next to your pull number before going up…ie the double sentinel pull which should be 79% ish… I agree it’s a lot…use that wa they linked as well as a quick peak here and there…the group won’t go anywhere while you spend 10 secs checking your route
chilly brook
You can cast shield block and block nothing and it’s kinda wasted
Knowing what’s blockable and what’s not is important
Granted shield block uptime is much higher rn than it has been
tender cove
So like in halls…you look next to your pull number before going up…ie the double...
yeh, thats what I mean. i think halls is 84.2% before going up or smt. But its hard to remember that on the fly sometimes. Had to learn the hard way last dungeon, i mean, probably wouldn't have timed it but I was so dead sure i was like "just trust me, i got this"
but i didnt xD
steady steppe
i have routes but its 8 dungeons to keep in mind, all the pulls etc. Easy to for...
mobs after bridge give 16.28 %
so u just need 83.7 before u go up
south mural
You could also spend 5-10 minutes and write down on your pad of paper at your desk the %
Well you drag those 2 sentinels up with you so they must be worth 2ish each
steady steppe
they give 2.22 each
tender cove
You could also spend 5-10 minutes and write down on your pad of paper at your de...
I dont even know how to respond to this. Ok?
steady steppe
LMAO
south mural
Hahah
Do people not have a notebook next to their computer for reminders or notes? Am I old
tender cove
Do people not have a notebook next to their computer for reminders or notes? Am ...
I would use method raid tools
steel mauve
my fiance kept notes written on sticky notes and put them on her monitors]
tender cove
for ingame notes but I was more like, bro, tanking is enough of a work like situation, dont make it worse wtf
grizzled zenith
Which enchant is better fir M+/Casual Raiding? Frozen Devotion or Sophic Devotion?
lusty narwhal
Does anyone know if the Burgeoning Seed trinket works like Last Stand? Does it increase your max health and heal you for that amount?
south mural
Which enchant is better fir M+/Casual Raiding? Frozen Devotion or Sophic Devotio...
One is aoe focused and one is more single target
chilly brook
@flat sorrel the tldr of shield block is that if the mob swings at you or shoots at you you likely want to have shield block up, if there’s more damage intake than you’re comfortable with you should also press IP to help smooth it out, otherwise spend excess rage on revenge (applies to aoe and single target but you’ll replace revenge with execute in single target when it’s available). Then if you’re still bing chilling and not having any issues at all but you’re generating more rage than you can spend press IP to ensure you don’t overcap on rage. Try to always have at least 30 rage to be able to cast shield block.
grizzled zenith
One is aoe focused and one is more single target
Okay.. i will play more m+ than frozen is the better choice correct?
south mural
Yes
grizzled zenith
ty 🙂
wraith hemlock
my fellow prot war, tips for dealing with tree boss in AA? all bosses are easy peasy but that one wrecks my ass, even with shield wall
chilly brook
my fellow prot war, tips for dealing with tree boss in AA? all bosses are easy p...
Get a cleanse
That boss is all on the group not you
Adds need to be stacked well and DPS need to CD the adds
And ideally you bring a class that has a poison cleanse
wraith hemlock
I was pumping like 90k dps but still not enough
and my dwarf racial can only cleanse once t.t
forest coral
chilly brook
Or just bring a class with a cleanse….
Monk doesn’t lose anything for bringing it
And they’re one of the best dps in the game for m+
tender cove
which classes have posion cleanse? pala, evoker, monk, shamy?
wind oak
dont kill the add tree too fast
chilly brook
Yea
wind oak
you can use it for healing up after dealing with the little ones
chilly brook
which classes have posion cleanse? pala, evoker, monk, shamy?
I think Druid as well
Yea Druid
tulip kelp
Doens't matter how many CDs I have up, I try to stun but can't stun forever.. and then try to kite but eventually die
chilly brook
You can spec spell block
About the only other thing you can do
They’re kinda way overtuned
south mural
They are tank busters that know if you don’t have a defensive up…so maybe check your shield block uptime
chilly brook
They are tank busters that know if you don’t have a defensive up…so maybe check ...
Ehhh not exactly accurate
silent anchor
what gems people running in their lariat?
chilly brook
Since I shouldn’t get hit by it as a monk then because shuffle is up all the time
tulip kelp
They are tank busters that know if you don’t have a defensive up…so maybe check ...
Its a spell tho, spell block does nothing right?
vernal vale
Saw a painful thing today. A log I was looking at has a warrior gemming stamina.
chilly brook
Saw a painful thing today. A log I was looking at has a warrior gemming stamina.
He musta came from classic
vernal vale
He musta came from classic
Nope just bad. Only 30cpm on a raid boss.
chilly brook
Sounds classic to me
vernal vale
Was my former guild where I was told not to shield slam.
prisma echo
You can spec spell block
spell block work on poisons?
vernal vale
Thas why I say just bad @chilly brook
chilly brook
spell block work on poisons?
I was referring to the Sha
compact dove
Are the crafting orders only per realm pool ?
prisma echo
I was referring to the Sha
ok,sorry then 🙂
wraith hemlock
what stat do u lads grab in AA?
vernal vale
You can kite which lowers your dps or spell block and stand there and slap
chilly brook
Are the crafting orders only per realm pool ?
I’d assume region wide just like the AH
vernal vale
I’d assume region wide just like the AH
No crafting orders are realm only
chilly brook
But there’s no guarantee that you get the highest quality
tulip kelp
You can kite which lowers your dps or spell block and stand there and slap
Which level have you done it on
vernal vale
Which level have you done it on
I havent gone super high because of Christmas holiday yet only a 14
Holidays have destroyed my time foe key running
south mural
I havent gone super high because of Christmas holiday yet only a 14
Don’t down play yourself! That’s great
worldly kiln
Jade +15.. Do ya'll usually pull more than one of the 3mob packs at the end, right before the last mob pack
tulip kelp
I did 15 without spell block fine.. I just tried a 17 and its absolutely wrecking me
compact dove
Can someone craft neck and ingi wrist 405 🙂 ?
vernal vale
Don’t down play yourself! That’s great
Hahaha, im also only a 392 ilvl I'm doing well enough but if I had time I could be doing better.
vernal vale
Can someone craft neck and ingi wrist 405 🙂 ?
You'll have to check your server
lyric geode
Wow, after 2 months. It is my first time seeing a bdk.
vernal vale
Jade +15.. Do ya'll usually pull more than one of the 3mob packs at the end, rig...
That is a group I'm very careful with especially since a fear into other groups means a wipe. Pick your pulls carefully.
silent anchor
what gems people used in their lariat?
tulip kelp
Is that a thing? Instead of haste vers?
naive panther
I have crit haste crit verse and haste crit.
Most crit I can get
I'm like 4.4k crit rating.
fickle bear
Guys noob question on 17+ This week, Battle or def stance?
icy bane
Jade +15.. Do ya'll usually pull more than one of the 3mob packs at the end, rig...
If you are confident in kicks you can pull the three to the right first and pull them to the three on the left, ain’t too bad of a pull
D stance if you are taking too much damage, all about understanding the damage of different packs and bosses.
lusty narwhal
Any tauren players, how much extra stam do you get at max level?
fickle bear
ty
icy bane
20 cos depleted because dps keep dying to last boss
icy bane
Solod last 3% lol
median tulip
Is that a thing? Instead of haste vers?
The Lariat works on the element of the gem, which is determined by the lower of the two stats on the gem. You can use single-stat gens but those give lower overall stats.
vernal vale
Is that a thing? Instead of haste vers?
Haste verse procs verse I want it to proc haste.
analog sparrow
The Lariat works on the element of the gem, which is determined by the **lower**...
So if you gem it with haste/vers it procs vers?
Cool good to know
pine lotus
Is brutal vitality still bugged?
fiery warren
hi , Simulation say i equip 2 use trinket is that normal ?
vernal vale
So if you gem it with haste/vers it procs vers?
If you want it to proc haste tge smaller Stat needs to be haste
analog sparrow
Thanks!
median tulip
So if you gem it with haste/vers it procs vers?
Yeah. It's deliberately set up to work against single stacking. For the same reason the Idols work off the colour/higher stat of the gem
prisma crane
random question, have a friend coming back to the game, anyone know why he cant see combat text for his damage?
currently has zero addons too btw
broken mulch
sleek gulch
Which dungeons best for Spell Block? I know TJS - is it worth for tree boss adds in AA? Or anything in RLP?
Otherwise i'd rather take Tough As Nails for the dam
prisma crane
RLP and TJS
craggy pilot
Which dungeons best for Spell Block? I know TJS - is it worth for tree boss adds...
its worth for any dungeon where you feel you need it
if you survive without it, just run Tough as Nails
cerulean musk
Would you ever pick Into the Fray over Heavy Reprecussions?
The haste sounds so nice
sleek gulch
Does it work on stormslam last boss RLP?
craggy pilot
Would you ever pick Into the Fray over Heavy Reprecussions?
if it sims higher, but remember you lose a lot of SB uptime, so might have to pick Bolster to make up for it (instead of Tough as Nails)
craggy pilot
Does it work on stormslam last boss RLP?
do you not survive the Stormslam?
tulip kelp
If you want it to proc haste tge smaller Stat needs to be haste
On which gem? The main primary stat one? Or the little ones?
sleek gulch
do you not survive the Stormslam?
No I do, just trying to optimize talents, pushing into 18s and 19s atm
craggy pilot
No I do, just trying to optimize talents, pushing into 18s and 19s atm
doubt Stormslam will 1 shot you if you get dispelled
median tulip
Would you ever pick Into the Fray over Heavy Reprecussions?
It's not a make or break decision. I honestly find that with HR, ED and SC I have more than enough SB uptime, so if you find the same dropping HR isn't likely to be a problem IMO
cerulean musk
if it sims higher, but remember you lose a lot of SB uptime, so might have to pi...
Makes sense, thank you. One more question, Sidearm or Honed Reflexes?
craggy pilot
Makes sense, thank you. One more question, Sidearm or Honed Reflexes?
i have both
wait no
i dont have Honed Reflexes
its the Pummel CD talent right?
sleek gulch
yeah on fort it doesnt 1 shot until 4-5 stacks for me, which just means healer is dead
tender cove
dafuq... there exist superkind people still. I was asking in trade "anyone making lariat for a reasonable price, im poor:(" and this dude started talking, giving some advice and just chatting a bit, asking what people have been asking off me and so on.
And then he was like, go check your mailbox in an hour. Dude sent me 100k wishing me happy new years and gifting me a lariat 😮
craggy pilot
yeah on fort it doesnt 1 shot until 4-5 stacks for me, which just means healer i...
4-5 stacks? 🤔
prisma crane
dafuq... there exist superkind people still. I was asking in trade "anyone makin...
nice man!
median tulip
On which gem? The main primary stat one? Or the little ones?
AFAIK Illimited Diamonds do not interact with either the Lariat or the Idol at all
sleek gulch
4-5 stacks? 🤔
yeah, had it happen lol, healer died halfway thru fight, 4 stacks hit me for ~80% of my hp on a 16 few days ago
sleek gulch
yeah ofc, i mean it could clutch the end of the fight but its not worth planning for failure
i am just wondering which dungeons ppl see use out of spell block
TJS is the only glaring one, perhaps the skele packs in SBG but that place is free so
craggy pilot
TSJ mostly
silent anchor
just went for it
median tulip
i am just wondering which dungeons ppl see use out of spell block
Tbh I haven't used it for any yet, but I probably will for TotJS in the future
sleek gulch
yeah i just equipped it for the first time cuz i havent needed to, in an 18 TJS
could actually stay in for 20 sec on last pull tjs
also helps with the packs before 3rd boss
but losing tough as nails is a pretty hefty dmg decrease
median tulip
Probably helps on the run to boss 1 too
sleek gulch
usually 4-5% of my dmg
craggy pilot
did we ever figure out what the Ruby Whelp trinket does? 🤔
tender cove
35k for lariat and he provided mats and free recraft, that's pretty decent right? Could only get the 405 though
compact dove
Do we have an Ingi here (Dethecus Realmpool) who can craft Plate Wrist 405 or anyone know a crafting discord - thanks 🙂 ?
compact dove
35k for lariat and he provided mats and free recraft, that's pretty decent right...
thats good on my server 50k for crafting without mats ^^
tired pivot
did we ever figure out what the Ruby Whelp trinket does? 🤔
a dude in my group was commenting on this random dragon that keeps coming to him
we figured it is the ruby whelp trinket that I had equipped
tender cove
thats good on my server 50k for crafting without mats ^^
yeh, thats what most people wanted, 50-75k but been asking trade for whole day and finally this guy whispered and recommended the crafter and think he has some deal because he said "refeeferals get discounts" 😄
do I keep the medallions I add on a recraft?
sleek gulch
yes i have 402 ruby whelp trinket, it does next to nothing lol. Did 440k dmg and 257k healing across a TJS18
unless its doing some sort of utility that im not noticing, its dogshit
south mural
It gives secondary stats as well
tender cove
wasnt there a mainstat + sec stat gem? Or is that bop or smt?
sleek gulch
It gives secondary stats as well
oh shit i didnt know, i was wondering how it was simming so high. Just wowheaded it and says it does ~3k of a secondary stat for 20 seconds when it procs?
deep spruce
wasnt there a mainstat + sec stat gem? Or is that bop or smt?
Yes, it's bop
Can only get via work order
or being JC 🙂
slim dove
unless its doing some sort of utility that im not noticing, its dogshit
It's pretty dog
tulip kelp
What are the best trinkets I should be aiming for from M+?
Not that they drop for me at all
proud dock
anyone know how to pull up a list of keystones in group via detials?
sleek gulch
What are the best trinkets I should be aiming for from M+?
I think the one from CoS is very good, the 2 min uncapped aoe dmg trinket
compact dove
anyone know how to pull up a list of keystones in group via detials?
/keys
sleek gulch
unfort comes with a shitload of mastery tho
tulip kelp
Yeah I been gunning for that with no luck @sleek gulch literally nothing drops in CoS for me tho.. have done almost 20 runs this week
sleek gulch
i have 392 and im using it suboptimally and its about 8% of my overall
tulip kelp
That plus Hoof bis? Or something else
I have ruby shell and puzzle box.. absolute D tier atm lol
sleek gulch
yeah fuck puzzle box even tho it sims decently
lyric geode
My god
If only I could record this
I am in a normal raid
I know, LFR>> normal difficulty
And a demon hunter was marked with a spike on terros.
And what did the brilliant mind did?
He yeeted himself in the middle
placed the spike in the abuse
and middle fingered the rest of the grp
What a legend
slim dove
Kek
blazing condor
does cobalt assembly rings sim properly?
it always sim the lowest for me but i dont have that much better rings
tender cove
today was a good day... I started my session with 85k. Grinded up to 110k. Got 100k gifted lariat and now its done and I still have 145k left 😄
warm plinth
Warrior - Impending Victory: 30% health, 25 sec CD (can reset with KB)
Druid - Renewal : 30% health, 1.5 min CD
Shaman - Nature's Guardian: 20% health, 45 sec CD
Hunter - Exhilaration: 30% health (and 100% pet health), 2 min CD (reduced to around 1 min with CDR talent)
Monk - Healing Elixir: 15% health, 30 sec recharge (2 charges)
Rogue - Crimson Vial: 30% health (over 4 seconds), 30 sec CD
I'm sure there are others but that's just off the top of my head
urban portal
yeah impending victory is way too much
it was balanced in SL because of big opportunity cost
now that opportunity cost no longer exists
the MAIN downside of IV is that its on GCD
otherwise its quite op
warm plinth
Yep
tender cove
Warrior - Impending Victory: 30% health, 25 sec CD (can reset with KB)
Druid - R...
ok but what about tanks? What about pala, dh, monk, druid, bdk?
tender cove
guess we can agree to disagree
ionic roost
ok but what about tanks? What about pala, dh, monk, druid, bdk?
i believe he covered druid and monk in that list, but i understand sometimes people dont read everything.
median tulip
IV is great.
warm plinth
ok but what about tanks? What about pala, dh, monk, druid, bdk?
I gave you two tanks in my initial response. Paladin doesn't really have anything comparable (unless you count LoH i guess), DH don't even have a self heal at all that isn't based on taking or dealing damage, and I don't think DK does either that I can think of.
tender cove
I'm not saying its bad, i'm just not agreeing with "absurdly OP"
ionic roost
you can even compare interspec, Laststand is also a 30% heal(kindaof)
urban portal
last stand is completely garbage
we all know that
its a frenzied regen on a 2 minute cd
warm plinth
Who said it was absurdly OP? I said it was OP even with just a 25 second CD (before the killing blow reset)
median tulip
Impending Victory is basically a lock-in talent for me. I never go anywhere without it.
tender cove
Who said it was absurdly OP? I said it was OP even with just a 25 second CD (be...
Raid decanter did
warm plinth
And it is. It's stronger than literally every ability like it in the game.
urban portal
i think its quite overtuned for an early talent point
warm plinth
And it costs nothing to take it
tender cove
I gave you two tanks in my initial response. Paladin doesn't really have anythi...
Wog? with the talent that scales missing hp on both you and party members?
urban portal
wog costs 3 holy power
warm plinth
WoG is a completely different type of ability
tender cove
wog costs 3 holy power
IV costs rage, whats your point?
warm plinth
And they have to use it instead of their main mitigation
urban portal
10 rage is much easier to get
urban portal
the opportunity cost of wog is high
median tulip
IV costs rage, whats your point?
Like that's even a problem
tender cove
the opportunity cost of wog is high
and the heal is far superior?
urban portal
the opportunity cost of IV is 10 rage that you get back instantly
rigid relic
can any one tell me which 2 crafted items i should go for? Bracers and lariat? or Bracers and Belt?
urban portal
and yeah you are throwing away mitigation time for it
warm plinth
Ngl this is just a seriously weird hill to die on in my opinion.
urban portal
its no longer shadowlands paladin where you have 100% uptime on shield
median tulip
can any one tell me which 2 crafted items i should go for? Bracers and lariat? o...
Do you have both Raid rings and/or a fire damage trinket?
sleek gulch
Something youre missing is that other tanks bring way better utility than prot. We have shockwave (tbh every class has an aoe stun including other tanks), aoe stop in fear (also something other tanks get) and our shouts (rally is underwhelming imo).
If we lose survivability/healing and dps, we have nothing.
tender cove
Ngl this is just a seriously weird hill to die on in my opinion.
It's not really a hill to die on but I dont have to agree just for the sake of it? I've never said its bad. I just dont agree when you called it OP and then decanter joining in saying absurdly op
rigid relic
I have the eggnogg ring ye
urban portal
its definitely OP for what it is
warm plinth
can any one tell me which 2 crafted items i should go for? Bracers and lariat? o...
It depends on what you have. You should craft based on what you need, not based on what embellishments are "strong"
warm plinth
It's not really a hill to die on but I dont have to agree just for the sake of i...
The sake of it being true?
urban portal
a combination of 0 opportunity cost and a high on demand heal
warm plinth
Like you have done nothing to show us that we're wrong
sharp night
Something youre missing is that other tanks bring way better utility than prot. ...
sorry what
rally underwhelming
tender cove
The sake of it being true?
If you both think its absurdly OP and there's no comparison, sure, thats your hill to die on.
urban portal
vs wog that can lose you block uptime
warm plinth
I literally gave you comparisons what
sharp night
to the point that people stack warriors in raid for rally
sleek gulch
when it's one of the best group externals
hi darkness, hi amz
sharp night
LMAO darkness
warm plinth
It's stronger than the comparisons lol
sharp night
ok no
urban portal
darkness requires grouping
sharp night
you're delusional
urban portal
and is rng
sharp night
darkness is garbage
urban portal
AMZ has a cap
tender cove
It's stronger than the comparisons lol
I've never argued this. I just dont think it's absurdly op for what the other tanks have as toolkit.
median tulip
Darkness is very good in the right situation
sleek gulch
no it does not
edgy grail
No it doesn’t lol
urban portal
darkness requires you to get lucky too
edgy grail
That interaction that was why people combined them isnt even in the game anymore
sharp night
yeah tell that to the 80% of your group getting randomly oneshot
urban portal
you cant just assign darkness
sharp night
and the 20% that survive
urban portal
and pretend its gonna save the raid
edgy grail
You can’t dodge the spirit link damage anymore
Which is why people used to combine them
sharp night
that's not the interaction that makes it good
it's the fact that 20% of your group randomly takes no dam
and the other 80% do
and then spirit link evens out the hp
urban portal
^
ionic roost
it requires ppl to stand in it
to be fair this constraint makes it bad in more scenarios than it is good
sharp night
darkness alone is completely garbage because it can randomly be good or bad
you can have everyone take dam through darkness on a bad roll
or you can have everyone randomly dodge it on a good roll
edgy grail
That’s the current interaction yes, I’m saying it’s not as good as it used to be (combing then)
stable valve
Anyone have tree boss reset on them at all before?
edgy grail
Rally is by far the best out of those tho no real argument
stable valve
Was at 20% and it happened
Burned lust
edgy grail
Especially in prog
urban portal
rally is good if your healer can catchup
which they probably can considering how overtuned healers are
sleek gulch
I suppose i'm speaking more about m+ as I don't raid. Dealing with scaling that leads to 1 shots where raid is more balanced and smooth
sharp night
in m+ darkness is even worse
sleek gulch
healing the grp for 15% barely helps
sharp night
you NEVER rely on darkness in keys
urban portal
its much harder to group in keys
urban portal
and rally is the best at surviving true one shots
sharp night
yep
urban portal
the downside is that healers has to heal the hp back
its like a small loan of 15% hp that you have to pay back
lusty narwhal
Is Bourgening Seed a good trinket?
steady steppe
tryna do H raszageth rn and other tank isnt even using ignore pain
sick sentinel
is the RLP egg trinket spawn a do nothing or what
i got it and used it for like 2 hours maybe
dunno if its something to go after in mythic +
jaunty reef
Should I be using the 382 protector's molten cudgel with crit/vers or the 385 Edge of the First Blade with Crit/Mastery (and I can upgrade)?
I think it should be the lower ilvl for the versatility right?
rigid relic
depends if u go Haste crit or Haste vers
urban portal
just go higher ilvl
sick sentinel
wait cudgel sounds awful lot like mace
is that a weapon
So I see people running bolster instead of Tough as nails, is that just for keys above 20s or what we thinking
if its aweapon., throw everything else out window and ilvl
jaunty reef
rare drop I think
urban portal
So I see people running bolster instead of Tough as nails, is that just for keys...
thats if you need every second of shield block you can get
just use the higher ilvl
dont pretend vers is a real stat
jaunty reef
jaunty reef
just use the higher ilvl
Thanks, will do 😄
cerulean musk
What trinkets is everyone running?
sick sentinel
alltotem from weekly 408 and 395 horn of valor with avoidance
stable valve
What trinkets is everyone running?
Torch + eranog for m+
sick sentinel
horn of valor 30 second 1k str on 2 minute cd and literal turns u to valarjar
flat sorrel
What pieces are set pieces? I see there are 5 but only can find the helm, shoulder, chest, and legs as actual set pieces
rigid relic
hands
flat sorrel
Ty
cerulean musk
Yeah I have a fire build going
stable valve
i dunno how good it is as stand alonbe
Solid AoE dam tbh
It’s behind torch, but not by a crazy amount
Shield is pretty meaty too
For my overall I mean
unkempt pollen
is manic grieftorch actually bis 😐
stable valve
is manic grieftorch actually bis 😐
For dam 100000%
unkempt pollen
For dam 100000%
🙁
stable valve
I have a normal one and I won’t replace it until I get a heroic
Cuz w/o anyone dying it still pumps
limber flame
for HoV keys, where are yall dragging mobs for sanguine in the hallway?
pallid quiver
but alternatively
unkempt pollen
los outside
pallid quiver
it's called grieftorch for a reason
past laurel
Whats a good item to craft for Prot BIS? with spark?
stable valve
Whats a good item to craft for Prot BIS? with spark?
Check the pins
limber flame
los outside
thats a great idea, thank you
stable valve
kill your DPS
Strategic rallies 😈
unkempt pollen
sanguine is just pole dancing week.
limber flame
sanguine is uninterruptable casts week
unkempt pollen
if only mobs could move and cast
pallid quiver
sanguine is "don't grab unknown DPS wars into your group" week
median tulip
sanguine is "don't grab unknown DPS wars into your group" week
"oh god why did you spear there?"
pallid quiver
half the DPS wars I've taken wait specifically until something's dead to chuck it
like even on the first pack of mobs, when everyone's got their CDs,
shit's the last thing the press
warm plinth
As a former DPS warrior, sometimes it's just habit since you're used to sending stuff on CD pepehands
pallid quiver
i understand that if they send it on CD; i can't even be mad
i don't understand when it's the case i mentioned before
bitch if you went the entire pack without pressing that button, you can wait 5 more seconds for the next pack
warm plinth
lol
median tulip
I've mostly been enjoying Shaman and Monks this week. The mob displacement abilities are excellent.
tender cove
Anything special to pick up the pack after first boss in sbg? Always feels so chaotic and you cant interupt the domination either right?
warm plinth
Someone was saying in here yesterday that the aggro of the non-dominator mobs are actually based on aggro of the dominator mobs. So like if you want the small dudes on you, you have to make sure you have threat on the dominator mobs, even though they're not doing anything.
tender cove
Someone was saying in here yesterday that the aggro of the non-dominator mobs ar...
that would make a lot of sense actually.
speaking of aggro. I dont know what i'm doing but im randomly losing aggro on single mobs in big packs
and I have no idea whats going on
its even in packs of 5
warm plinth
Could it be like, a strong prio target spec maybe?
tender cove
Could it be like, a strong prio target spec maybe?
it happens regularly even going in with avatar burst, ravager etc, i just seem to randomly lose aggro, at least once every dungeon, often more
warm plinth
weird
median tulip
speaking of aggro. I dont know what i'm doing but im randomly losing aggro on si...
If you're pulling 6+ you're probably losing threat on the one that isn't Rended by your initial TClap
safe shale
I've been body pulling to group up and had to actually switch to Titanic throw to fix that shit
tender cove
If you're pulling 6+ you're probably losing threat on the one that isn't Rended ...
ahh, ye, that would make some sense, its just felt so random im pulling my hair lol
tender cove
I've been body pulling to group up and had to actually switch to Titanic throw t...
titanic is great, i use it almost every pull
median tulip
Titanic Throw is criminally underrated
tender cove
even played a bit with the 100% dmg increase and deep wounds but it feels bit excessive
chilly brook
it happens regularly even going in with avatar burst, ravager etc, i just seem t...
More revenj
sleek gulch
yeah idk if sidearm is worth giving up titanic throw, im trying it out and its only 2% dmg
the amount of potential throw gives might outweigh
median tulip
Sidearm is ok; I talent it if I don't have a burning need for any other talent
atomic fox
is spell block bugged rn?
mellow quartz
already find myself missing it like 5 dungeons in
How are you missing it? What can’t you do without it you can do with?
mellow quartz
is spell block bugged rn?
How so?
sleek gulch
ranged pull and kite as effectively
much easier threat gen while kiting, and ofc easier to pull a pack and not worry about losing insta healer threat and them splitting up
mellow quartz
What are you kiting?
sleek gulch
if the sidearm dmg was bigger it would be a no brainer
dull saddle
I am on the same debacle, prob crafting chest -- was it worth it for ya? or did you go ring or something else?
mellow quartz
Not sure how you pull a pack but don’t have any issues with just charge and TC.
old sinew
I didn't do it. I got a 405 chest from and then I thought I'm not going to stand around looking for a crafter for however long, I just want to go play some more
dull saddle
gotcha
I am sitting on a 382 chest still and I am not using tier cause the stats are ass
mellow quartz
I am on the same debacle, prob crafting chest -- was it worth it for ya? or did ...
Can’t catalyze crafted chest to tier right?
dull saddle
Can’t catalyze crafted chest to tier right?
but to your question -- no idea
sleek gulch
Not sure how you pull a pack but don’t have any issues with just charge and TC.
Sometimes you are pulling back or away etc. Not always able or want to charge + clap
Its niche, but when it works it works well is my point
cerulean musk
What stance do you guys typically run? Mostly prot or?
dull saddle
battle for most everything
quaint folio
Did someone post a solution regarding big pulls in M+ and losing threat? I'm having the same issues. I was trying to pull the first 7 mobs (a pack of 3, and then a pack of 4) in AV , and kept losing aggro.
dull saddle
prot stance is pretty much an on-demand cooldown
if you're not gonna die, run battle
if you think you might die, swap to prot
better safe than sorry
mellow quartz
All depends on your content tbh
unkempt pollen
if you DO die, just blame your healers anyway
steel mauve
to be honest, if you hit your aoe buttons, you shouldnt lose threat
mellow quartz
Play the game as it is not how you want it to be 🤷♂️
mellow quartz
Did someone post a solution regarding big pulls in M+ and losing threat? I'm hav...
Assume you mean by going left at the start. You double pull or 1 by 1?
turbid shuttle
throw me in the hat for loving titanic throw. wouldn't want to play without it. just so good for multi-pack pulling
quaint folio
Assume you mean by going left at the start. You double pull or 1 by 1?
Specifically this pull
cerulean musk
if you're not gonna die, run battle
I might try that been using prot stance, thanks
turbid shuttle
another one I think is a bit slept on is disrupting shout, for m+ specifically. it's just super useful and I press it all the time for the interrupt.
unkempt pollen
I cannot key without disrupting shout and all these casters
AND sanguine? yeah must have.
mellow quartz
Specifically this pull
Oh you said AV not AA.
turbid shuttle
Specifically this pull
charge clap slam. run to the next pack. if your dps pulls off you while you're setting up a double its their own fault
mellow quartz
Do people hit the first adds while you chain?
lyric geode
Okay, I can definetely say, that the Vault is a joke in terms of tank dmg
mellow quartz
If so that’s on them
unkempt pollen
dps shouldnt touch mobs till you stop moving on initial pull
frozen quest
Quick question. Can you put 2 sockets in crafted rings? Or is it 3 sockets in neck only?
steel mauve
even then, there are plenty of tools to secure aggro being the start of a dungeon shield charge > avatar > thunderous roar > heroic leap to second pack > ravager > tclap/revenge
mellow quartz
I also dislike that pull. So much that can go wrong for no reason.
lyric geode
even then, there are plenty of tools to secure aggro being the start of a dungeo...
The most difficult part, is that if you dont have these, and you have to rely on thunder clap
turbid shuttle
on the first pull you always have those
lyric geode
on second or third?
turbid shuttle
though I personally wouldn't use shield charge, roar, avatar before touching the 2nd pack
steel mauve
thats if your dps are gunho, it would secure aggro on the first pack with only 2 actual abilities hitting them
slim dove
I also dislike that pull. So much that can go wrong for no reason.
What just kick all 7 mobs its np np
turbid shuttle
What just kick all 7 mobs its np np
spec disrupting shout ez
slim dove
Zzz speccing disrupt shout for 1 pull
mellow quartz
If they all castes at the same time it would be much easier with aoe stops.
turbid shuttle
kick shout stormbolt shield charge shockwave. lots of stops.
mellow quartz
DF has this thing with no mobs casting at the same time anymore though.
quaint folio
Thanks for all the tips. I do a charge, then clap then shield charge, then run to the second pack and charge+ clap again. By that time I've lost aggro on the back mobs. I'll prob drop more skills on the first pull before running off
balmy pawn
Anyone able to review some prot logs for me?
mellow quartz
Sounds like they don’t see you leave and think that pack is the whole pull
steel mauve
you should most likely have avatar up almost every pull especially if pulling a lot, that right there is a lot of dmg and threat, and unless you are severely undergeared below the dps and they are pulling insane dps over you, tclap and revenge should be all you need bar any random shenanigans happening
that or just tell your group when you pull just to run straight to the hallway and not touch any thing till you pull the second group
lyric geode
I figure 2 things
still tendon
is magazine of healing darts a real embellishment? does it work on our healing?
neon elk
even then, there are plenty of tools to secure aggro being the start of a dungeo...
Why would u waste that much dmg ? Just let that bonobo die and learn ..
turbid shuttle
also if you have titanic throw, you can throw -> charge -> etc, and it gives you a decent bit more snap threat while you drag
steel mauve
more of a waste not communicating with your group your plans for the first pull and just letting them die because you caould "care less its their fault"
balmy pawn
Anyone able to review some prot logs for me?
dull saddle
Thanks for all the tips. I do a charge, then clap then shield charge, then run t...
That sounds like bad DPS play or just poorly coordinated. Unless you are exceptionally slow between both packs, they shouldn't be bursting on first GCD because tanks do need a couple of GCDs at least to gen enough threat
fickle bear
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7TQV3xmjpzr2B6nG#fight=11&type=damage-done
Wrong spec? Where is the Thunderclap dmg at?
lyric geode
Lol. Bugged blizzard like usual
Btw, I might get it wrong. But why my thunderclap dmg is so high?
What a disgrace, there is no thunder clap emoji ffs.
fickle bear
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7TQV3xmjpzr2B6nG#fight=11&type=damage-done
Also realy slow kill time, so that puts the parse down aswell, but thunderclap dmg seems to be one of the biggest dmg you are missing out for example my kill was 3:13 and i did 45x thunderclap yours 5:22 you did 40x
limpid anchor
Btw, I might get it wrong. But why my thunderclap dmg is so high?
Bcs it does a lot of dmg. Especially with outburst
mellow quartz
Depends on target count
fierce rune
dumb question but how does spell block work? Does it just use my block % stat? Does it only work on targeted spells? or damage over time spells?
I feel dumb but idk how to check if im using it at good times xd
mellow quartz
dumb question but how does spell block work? Does it just use my block % stat? D...
Works like shield block does just for magic damage
sick sentinel
so, what about if you put up shield block
mellow quartz
Then you have both
sick sentinel
or facing the spell, or critical block
how do those all come in is what i have hardest time understanding
limpid anchor
What
honest falcon
Normal block is 30%, 60% for crit block
mellow quartz
30% of what?
sick sentinel
SB gives 100% block rate, so if i don't SBlock during Spellblock i don't block anything spell?
honest falcon
30% of post mitigated damage
limpid anchor
It’s not straight 30% is it
honest falcon
you have a base block chance of 5%, then it goes up from mastery, str, and block rating of your shield
lyric geode
SB gives 100% block rate, so if i don't SBlock during Spellblock i don't block ...
BUT, if you have 100% mastery, you dont have to press shield block.
/s
sick sentinel
im legit curious on those 3 items regarding spellblock
mellow quartz
Base block % is irrelevant though. You have SB up all the time.
lyric geode
look at Ysera. So cute
sick sentinel
is it tied to my current block chance so i need to shieldblock to get garunteed spell blocking while using spell block
honest falcon
Yes
limpid anchor
Yes
sick sentinel
2 do i have to turn to mobs to get the block like spell
limpid anchor
Yes
sick sentinel
3, crit block
limpid anchor
At least I’m like 60% sure
honest falcon
From physical attacks, you can only block from the front. Not sure about blocking spells.
limpid anchor
But they should be in front of you anyway
mellow quartz
Crit block is based on your mastery
honest falcon
And yes, you can crit block spells for 60% damage reduction
mellow quartz
The % chance
honest falcon
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Block. Its fixed pretty sure
mellow quartz
No
sand pebble
its def not fixed
sick sentinel
that sound rediculous critical block some metor bolt meant to 1 shot me
mellow quartz
based on shield block value
honest falcon
Ok, would love to see where you found that
sand pebble
mouseover your block ingame
mellow quartz
your article hasnt been updated since 2018
honest falcon
I could def be wrong, would love to see updated info, if you have it
mellow quartz
sick sentinel
the way block is now, is, its the block amount on your shield and that number can do up to 85% of a hit, cannot DR past 85%
mellow quartz
sick sentinel
critical is literal just doubles that block value
honest falcon
awesome, thanks
sand pebble
this is one of the talents that increases block value
ocean finch
Anyone else have the Gleaming Incarnate Thunderstone being bugged and not giving any visual effexts at all?
velvet heart
yo, can anyone provide me with an ignore pain weakaura
mellow quartz
yo, can anyone provide me with an ignore pain weakaura
one last in pins
ocean finch
Is what you get as a reward when you get 2,5k io
honest falcon
Wow so shield ilvl is incredibly important
limpid anchor
Is what you get as a reward when you get 2,5k io
Oh, the tier thingy in a different Color?
urban portal
Yes
ocean finch
Oh, the tier thingy in a different Color?
I guess, but I dont get any choice when I've used it
limpid anchor
I still don’t have Tier shoulders so I can know :(
urban portal
In 9.2 we played a shield with no secondary stats
ocean finch
You need the actualy tier shoulders to see?
velvet heart
one last in pins
cant find it
limpid anchor
As I understood it it just adds an effect to it
The mythic sparks to the other difficulties
But prob wrong
ocean finch
wtf is that, BS that you need something from the raid to be able to see a M+ reward..
limpid anchor
You can get Tier from m+
mellow quartz
cant find it
velvet heart
thanks
lilac bloom
in heroic dathea.. i never able to seem to down it.. there's this raging wind that instanly launches me off when i'm in with the boss tanking.. how to avoid that
lilac bloom
unless i'm too close to the boss
mellow quartz
tender cove
this game hates me...first +15 key of the season? ruby xd
mellow quartz
its total DR that cant be above 85%
if you look in the log the total unmitigated damage is a different number
lilac bloom
there's not much i can do about that.. it comes up randomly maybe it spawn under the boss..
mellow quartz
This seems like I blocked over 85%
look at unmitigated damage
the % you see includes IP absorb which can go above 85%
winter valley
Does someone have a Pawn stat weight string? Cant find one 😦
mellow quartz
don't use pawn
cinder nova
Pawn is useless.
honest vale
no its not.. when i looked at the death cap.. it says raging wind
That's the whirlwinds.
fickle bear
@lilac bloom raging wind is aoe dmg
delicate geode
Anyone here play blood dk? Wondering how it feels rotation/play style wise compared to prot
honest vale
These tornadoes fly around the room, you're getting hit.
fickle bear
There is 2 knock backs 1 sucking you in and 2 types of knocking u up if your in the air and knocked back ur dead
neon elk
in heroic dathea.. i never able to seem to down it.. there's this raging wind th...
There are few things that launch you in space . Tornados that pass by time to time, or stay at place , or cyclone , that sucks you into boss, u have to outrun that.
Then there are the adds after death that might also be issue
fickle bear
He said knock of the platform there is only 2 mechanics that do that
limpid anchor
Anyone here play blood dk? Wondering how it feels rotation/play style wise compa...
Favorite alt tank
neon elk
Launches me off .. understood that as into air , mb then
fickle bear
Or dis i read it wrong
neon elk
Well its either the only tank swap there is or all the other things i mentioned xd
limpid anchor
He said knock of the platform there is only 2 mechanics that do that
Zephyr and?
fickle bear
Add knock back
limpid anchor
Oh forgot about that
fickle bear
When add dies it casts knocking you back if you are knocked into the air while this hits you, you are done
delicate geode
Favorite alt tank
Would you say the rotation is complex at all? Having fun with prot but looking to branch out
limpid anchor
It’s way more difficult than pwar
mellow quartz
literally just watch a guide or read the tanknotes breakdown of the fight, these are basic questions...
"what is x ability"
talk abt being lazy, its all in the journal
fickle bear
Fight is super easy
limpid anchor
Funny that he does heroic before normal
neon elk
I havent done brood on hc yet , as i pug only, but is the 3tank strat actualy legit ?
Or is it something just pugs do?
fickle bear
Y it is
limpid anchor
Kinda ?
Seems useless
Makes the boss Tank way more chill tho
Especially if you are a bit lower geared
tender cove
There is 2 knock backs 1 sucking you in and 2 types of knocking u up if your in ...
can charge and leap down in worst case scenario to avoid fall dmg
neon elk
So the point is 2 tanks at boss one on adds ?
limpid anchor
Yes
fickle bear
True, @tender cove but some are to slow.
limpid anchor
So you taunt after every tank buster
fickle bear
You can take around 6 stacks then the knock back is to fast i think for charge only leap works then atleast it was for me like that @tender cove
3 u can ez without charge or leap
Most i could was 7 that one killed me
limpid anchor
You can take all of you have a good connection
fickle bear
Im sure u cant
limpid anchor
Just hope that there is no ping spike :D
fickle bear
You get knocked back faster with each stack
Im sure at one point its not possible
But correct if wrong
limpid anchor
I only did it on beta and it capped at 10
On live I got up to 8
At 9 I had a lag :(
fickle bear
Mhhm, got 7 and it was ehm yeah fast as fuck boy haha maybe you are right, but not playable i guess
tender cove
any words of encouragement before i'll spend 45 min in suffering xD
barren socket
excuse me
limpid anchor
No
tender cove
ruby ruby ruby. I really dont like it
frail cloud
viral moth
anybody have a really ugly looking shield transmog recommendation
tender cove
anybody have a really ugly looking shield transmog recommendation
wax catcher is the ugliest i have available to me
raven lake
guys which trinket duo you think I should run (also got eranog ring)
slim dove
incarnate + blazebinder and go craft belt
past laurel
Why belt? is that better then Neck?
marble cipher
Blazebinder alone isn't enough to keep belt procced though is it?
Oh nvm, eranog ring
past laurel
sorry new to the Crafting gear thing, idk what to craft lol.
i looked at pins
but that don't help lol
past laurel
do i craft neck or wrist?
craggy pilot
do i craft neck or wrist?
either
slim dove
Why belt? is that better then Neck?
belt + ring is huge.
past laurel
i only have 1 craft rn, so what would be better? im fresh 70
craggy pilot
i only have 1 craft rn, so what would be better? im fresh 70
shield
slim dove
shield 100%.
past laurel
I have m0 stuff, if that changes anything.
viral moth
anybody got ideas on sonic boom shockwave vs thundering roar?
been trying both out and cant seem to decide which feels better
mellow quartz
roar
craggy pilot
anybody got ideas on sonic boom shockwave vs thundering roar?
dont go sonic boom
roar BIS
Shockwave is a stun, not a dmg button
oblique quarry
is static charged scale worth using, I don't see it listed on the trinket list on wowhead but it drops at 395 and has a haste proc
slim dove
is static charged scale worth using, I don't see it listed on the trinket list o...
its pretty good. 50% uptime.
oblique quarry
oh nice, thanks
bold viper
this 2 set bonus is ass
sleek rock
!wa
bold viper
i feel like im losing damage keeping the buff uup rather than instantly shield slamming when available
bold viper
i get that, what im saying is it feels extremely counter intuitive to getting shield slam procs
slim dove
2 set aint bad at all.
bold viper
is it worth prioritizing over shield slam?
limber flame
ye im glad prot warrior set aint a make or break
urban portal
every tank set is 4% give or take
flat sorrel
I saw someone have a weakaura that show their healers mana percentage at all time, anyone know what it is?
lusty grotto
its a WA that's untracked in Wago
atrocity ui has it
sadly its like a complete thing and its absolute ass to move around
gritty glen
Use primal infusion on lariat or molten defender?
cinder storm
Molten
urban wolf
How much of an ilvl downgrade do you think is worth it to get tier bonus?
young cloud
I just got 408 All totem of the master. Is it any good?
slim dove
I just got 408 All totem of the master. Is it any good?
pretty good for m+
weary python
Question, is blowing back to back shield block charges inherently bad in certain situations? i.e. IP is capped, and you have just enough rage to use shield block before maybe say an intermission?
Like if SB is rolling, and you use another charge is there any actual loss in SB uptime?
mellow quartz
unless you put up SB right before you have to run to another pack for no reason then no
max sb duration is 3x sb plus 15s for bolster if talented
you can never realistically cap it like say paladins and sotr
urban portal
theres no reason to do it, but also no reason not to
double tapping SB sometimes leads to inefficient usage
mellow quartz
rage dump
weary python
Yeah that was kind of what I was thinking was rage dumping alongside IP, if IP is capped and you are GCP locked on revenge and that's not enough.
Good to know. TY.
lusty grotto
used to happen in beta
urban portal
just kill it
tender cove
I did but just confused me af
Is that reason why I lag in valdrakken? Wow is running 2 copies at once? xD
tender cove
ahh, fair enough
lusty grotto
teal tartan
is tanking a temple jade serpent hard on +16?
and likewise with shadowmoon +17? i don't know if I'm just really bad.
Fortified affixes
lusty grotto
we know
its fortified for everyone
its not bad
it can be difficult if you're a new player i guess
or undergeared
teal tartan
surviving
sterile bough
its only wheater u can press defensives correcly
lusty grotto
indeed that's what we're gonna look at in logs
cursive temple
yes
make a WA that yells at you when sha casts tank buster, so you can pop reflect/spell block, and make sure you rotate cds for 3rd boss. The rest of the dungeon should be fine tho
sterile bough
like what do u struggle with
lusty grotto
probably the usual bosses + Sha of Doubts
sterile bough
u can have cc / defensive for all casts pretty much
lusty grotto
if i had to guess
cursive temple
like what do u struggle with
my guess is sha damage and 3rd boss, usually this what kills new tanks
sterile bough
tahts cos tho
sterile bough
keep in mind u can reflect full dmg of claw
lusty grotto
your shield block uptime is also ass
teal tartan
I got weakauras for spell reflect
sterile bough
oh boss
lusty grotto
cursive temple
and 3rd boss kept murdering me
reflect flame strikes, reflect + spell block/wall/externals for jade strikes. You can also use victory rush to help your healer with healing absorbtion
sterile bough
is on logs the uptime counting out of combat as well?
lusty grotto
we're def gonna need logs for those dungeons you mentioned
that's kind of a weird question
thats uptime based on melee hits
combat has nothing to do with it
every hit counts
teal tartan
but my damage is good so thats all that matters
lusty grotto
yeah Raid i put that up there
toxic pewter
guys do you think needing on a leech shield of equal ilvl is valid or should that be greeded and let someone with a worse shield take
like leech does not make it need right
sterile bough
leech is very good
lusty grotto
kinda seems like a personal decision tbh
cursive temple
like leech does not make it need right
nice to have, but not must have
lusty grotto
i wouldnt do it cause im not an asshole
toxic pewter
i guess its this gray area
lusty grotto
over someone that needs it as an ilvl upgrade
toxic pewter
not sure
toxic pewter
yeah like i just greeded and a shaman with a lower shield got it
sterile bough
leech is 2nd
toxic pewter
but just not sure what to think about it all
sterile bough
so ye imo leech is jiga good
lusty grotto
"leech is giga good" shit we're right back at BFA
of course i fucking come back to this
toxic pewter
i guess not sure how to feel lol
cursive temple
toxic pewter
true
toxic pewter
yeah but its a tertiary
lusty grotto
fuck this leech shill
toxic pewter
feels sort of off...
lusty grotto
dont be a dick about it
cursive temple
it's very minor, won't make a huge dif
toxic pewter
yeah