it would spend rage first incase of overcapping rage with a shield slam
#protection
obsidian crane
OH. So the idea is that if it procs, it also casts so you don't accidentally generate rage before you spend rage you had?
So in addition to that, is there a reason to not also bind SB to SS since I always want it up, anyways? Just to save space on the keyboard.
woeful cypress
It's so you don't over cap if possible. I also find myself using it to outburst alot
steel mauve
you wont be saving space
youll still have a shield slam keybind, ip kjeybind with shield slam and a sb keybind
obsidian crane
I mean if I also replace SB with a SB -> SS macro.
steel mauve
still 3 keybinds
median tulip
Once you've taken everything that's mandatory in order to get to the final boss you need 12 additional count. That's either both of the patrolling Stormforged Sentinels or 3 Yaks, your choice
maiden seal
Feel like I may have overdone it a little on haste. With Into the Fray for m+, Lariat proccing, food buff from Timely Demise, and Howling Rune, I'm capping out at around 43%. That's before anything like hero/lust too. Though, I guess swapping to Heavy Repercussions for raiding, I'm more like 27-30%. Should I swap to that full time? Am I overthinking this and fine going that high on haste?
obsidian crane
It'd reduce it to 2, no? SB -> SS and IP -> SS.
steel mauve
you do not drop an ss keybind
obsidian crane
I'm saying I'd drop the SB keybind in favor of having /cast Shield Block /cast Shield Slam
woeful cypress
You still will want just plain old ss bind
maiden seal
might have answered my own question, taking a look at the latest builds on wowhead/icyveins it looks like people aren't taking Into the Fray anyway in m+ so that puts me back around 30%. still, just as a general question, should I be concerned about soft caps moving forward or is it not that big a deal?
steel mauve
i understand, you would have sb + ss, ip + ss and then just ss
obsidian crane
Okay, so definitely don't have SB only tied to SS.
steel mauve
it would be extreemley inefficient to only use sson a macro with those 2 defensives
craggy pilot
how good is Str for us? compared to Secondary?
is it 2-3x?
Burning Writ is 1200 Crit proc, and Sophic Writ is 630 str proc 🤔
terse island
my dps just massively improved thanksd
craggy pilot
Burning is 1/3rd of the price
woeful cypress
If you want to buy the cheaper one then buy it. But it's worse and you can sim it to see exactly how much worse
woeful cypress
Well that's not the same lol
mellow quartz
Feel like I may have overdone it a little on haste. With Into the Fray for m+, L...
you have not overdone it at all, % gains don't DR, only base rating does
craggy pilot
considering raidbots is not always the same
hushed reef
Am I missing a tool that would help me snap up all of the adds for tree boss on Algathar? Mass taunt works once... Use roar, ravager, and my general rotation for the 2nd but still seems a ton of adds are getting yanked....
mellow quartz
aoe taunt
median tulip
Am I missing a tool that would help me snap up all of the adds for tree boss on ...
Get your party to stand close to you and TClap
sick sentinel
It is the same
maiden seal
you have not overdone it at all, % gains don't DR, only base rating does
oh man. okay. didn't realize. does stuff like a food buff or howling rune count as base, then, since it isn't %-based?
mellow quartz
if it gives you stats vs % it counts
hushed reef
Yeah I expect it's the party not stacking in but wondered if I was missing another talent option I should take like spear or something.
mellow quartz
ITF is a % so doesn't count
maiden seal
sweet. though yeah it seems like ITF isn't in the guides anymore so maybe I'll just drop it anyway.
mellow quartz
intervene is great for tree in AA, use it on your highest insta dps target
like a WW
median tulip
Yeah I expect it's the party not stacking in but wondered if I was missing anoth...
Not really. Just having people not all over the place is the big one. If you have a Druid healer having them nearby/just behind you sorts the problems as the adds will aggro to their healing ticks
steady steppe
how do i sim different embelishments
split stratus
Hi, is there a goto DPS-oriented build for M+ ?
craggy pilot
Hi, is there a goto DPS-oriented build for M+ ?
median tulip
The adds on the tree are actually a bit funny with aggro because they exist for a second or two before they become active, so they have a little time to accumulate targets on their threat table before they burst out
limpid anchor
Intervene the heal :)
woeful cypress
So yes
Maybe I was wrong because his crit is low. But the enchants are not moe difeerwnce
Well wrong again. Guess crit Sims better for me now too lol?
sick sentinel
Man wtf are you on
maiden seal
I'll sim as well, but is there general advice for whether to go for Frozen Devotion or Sophic Devotion for a tank that will ultimately be doing heroic raids and like 15-20 keys without swapping back and forth?
high drum
I'll sim as well, but is there general advice for whether to go for Frozen Devot...
sims are for nerds
the ice looks cool
steel mauve
rule of cool, if you look cool your dps is cool
cold echo
Hello, what buff take at the starter of AA? Vers ?
high drum
haste
maiden seal
the ice looks cool
phenomenal answer, thank you
cold echo
Cheers
sweet summit
you need to add the crafted items to top gear and then add the embellishment bonus ID to the item
very convoluted and confusing if you haven't done it before, but i'm happy to help
steady steppe
you need to add the crafted items to top gear and then add the embellishment bon...
how do i add it to top gear
im looking at it now but i dont see
ive got to put it in the simc text manually?
sweet summit
you just paste it at the bottom of your "gear in bags" from /simc
give me a minute or two
what stats are you working with? haste crit?
steady steppe
i wanna put haste verse on it i think
unless u think crit is better idk
my verse is low compared to crit
sweet summit
both are good regardless of current %s
steady steppe
i assume i want my crit and verse to be close to the same %
edgy grail
No
sweet summit
there's only potion, fang and bronzed grip wrappings you can put on weapon right?
steady steppe
yea
high drum
and food but its not a real emb
sweet summit
# main_hand=primal_molten_longsword,id=190507,bonus_id=8796/8960,crafted_stats=36/40
# main_hand=primal_molten_longsword,id=190507,bonus_id=8937/8960,crafted_stats=36/40```
steady steppe
TYTY
steady steppe
should be fine like that
do u know if T2 vs T3 embellishment has better stats or just makes it easier to craft?
sweet summit
easier to craft
flat sorrel
Do you guys generally run spell block or tough as nails?
edgy grail
Use T3
sweet summit
all embellishment except for the potion one scale with the ilvl of the item
sweet summit
Do you guys generally run spell block or tough as nails?
depends on dungeon and affixes
spell block giga in temple this week for example
vernal vale
you need to add the crafted items to top gear and then add the embellishment bon...
Oh, that's how it's done. Thanks that's a huge help I'll have to do this.
sweet summit
ya just ping me if u need help and i'll try my best
vernal vale
ya just ping me if u need help and i'll try my best <:okayge:917646812519739433>
I'm at work but I'll try and catch you this weekend when I can look at the stuff.
sweet summit
sweet summit
you know what emote is coming
storm merlin
It's very good for padding bag ilvl and vendoring
woeful cypress
Anyone anticipating class tuning notes today
grizzled zenith
Dear my shieldheroes,
Vault was good to me and gave me the cos necklace with 392 ilevel. Now I'm a bit confused regarding crafting items.
Is lariat worth if I have these necklace? Many guys said lariat is op and now I'm not sure what to do and what to do next 🙈😂
crude crown
Is there any weakaura/addon that shows is spell block worked on a spell?
sweet summit
Is there any weakaura/addon that shows is spell block worked on a spell?
there's a sheet pinned, not sure if anyone has made a weak aura for it yet tho
sweet summit
Anyone anticipating class tuning notes today
praying for fury tier bonus buff 
flat sorrel
Are there any addons or weak auras that yell at you to spell reflect or spell block?
gray lintel
https://wago.io/tDT26wrXg for spell reflect. shield block just keep up always
flat sorrel
https://wago.io/tDT26wrXg for spell reflect. shield block just keep up always
Ty for that, I meant spell block sorry I edited it
sweet summit
Dear my shieldheroes,
Vault was good to me and gave me the cos necklace with 392...
lariat is one of the better ones, but there's also the option to look at weaker slots and craft something there
afaik most people do weapon, shield and lariat with their three current sparks which is think is a great idea
woeful cypress
praying for fury tier bonus buff <:copium:839076283467431956>
I can't join you. I think fury 2 button spec boring af rn. Pray for arms gigachad meta
sweet summit
praying the tier bonus buff that is definitely coming makes the spec play different
woeful cypress
Ok ill get behind that.
woeful cypress
lariat is one of the better ones, but there's also the option to look at weaker ...
Why shield over belt? Is it better. I kinda sent belt for ernogg ring
sweet summit
guaranteed 418 shield good 
woeful cypress
I would take my shield off for another 1h if it would make me do more dmg.
I hate shield!
sweet summit
what the heck
blissful fox
how is pug tanking this expac?
sweet summit
puging is always awful
quick iron
I would take my shield off for another 1h if it would make me do more dmg.
thats not very prot warrior of you
sweet summit
slim dove
Anyone anticipating class tuning notes today
10.0.5 is likely in the next 3 weeks, doubt we'll see anything till then
woeful cypress
Very possible
muted nexus
interesting request
does anyone have a WA where it tracks shield block on cursor?
similar to QE efflorescence
muted nexus
if in combat, and not active OR duration remaining < 4s, show at cursor
ah lemme try sec
sweet summit
i can try to make one if that one does not work 
muted nexus
this WA is almost it, rather it doesn't show shieldblock until you use it and then shows remaining time
muted nexus
gray lintel
this WA is almost it, rather it _doesn't_ show shieldblock until you use it and ...
I haven't seen the WA in-game but if you can change the trigger to Show: Always, then you should be set.
muted nexus
it's the right concept cursor-wise, but the logic is kind of the reverse of what i'm looking for
wherein it shows when it's (not) active and in combat, or duration remaining is <4s
(basically, a visual reminder that shield block is falling off soon)
worldly kiln
anyone with a H Dath kill - Is Disrupting Shout's CD work out to use it every time you go to a platform?
Or will there be a scenario where you need to figure out kicks without it
wary heath
Yes. But it's not as good as having abom lim
terse island
```# main_hand=primal_molten_longsword,id=190507,bonus_id=8175/8960,crafted_stat...
Is there a guide somewhere on how to do this ?
worldly kiln
so is it 2 DKs to make it easier? or more
wary heath
One or two dks make it easier yes. I have killed her 3 weeks in a row, with or without them though
It is not required
worldly kiln
so how do you handle it without them
wary heath
I use disrupting shot. Pummel. and ask the dps to actually kick
grizzled zenith
lariat is one of the better ones, but there's also the option to look at weaker ...
Yeah my main hand is 369 and my shield is 372.. Crafting this would be the best.. For the third one I can wait..
Haste/vers on both right?
Which refinement should I get for shield and weapon?
Can I do a enchantment later if the weapon has a refinement?
Sorry for all of the question 🙈
dark lark
Even a DK with abom down can take care of 3 by himself. Kick, double grip
sweet summit
@muted nexus https://wago.io/KlgisGxNz see if this does it
crude crown
https://wago.io/tDT26wrXg for spell reflect. shield block just keep up always
yeah, I'm looking for sth for spell block, I do have tracker for spell reflect already. It would be nice to see what is blockable without remembering the whole spreadsheet.
sweet summit
Is there a guide somewhere on how to do this ?
i don't think so, unfortunately
civic holly
10.0.5 is *likely* in the next 3 weeks, doubt we'll see anything till then
5 weeks in? Seems way to early
steel mauve
yeah, I'm looking for sth for spell block, I do have tracker for spell reflect a...
idk about all name plate addons, but plater lets you customize each spells color on the enemy cast bar above them, technically im pretty sure you could pick a color for every thing you can spell reflect just on the fly (i havent done it myself, so not sure how well it would work)
slim dove
5 weeks in? Seems way to early
10.0.5 is trading post and has multiple references to world events in late jan/early feb 🙂
muted nexus
<@221421424013869056> <https://wago.io/KlgisGxNz> see if this does it <:okayge:9...
this is so close, the falloff timer is perfect, how can i show it with in combat = true, and active aura = false
civic holly
Ok cool
sweet summit
Yeah my main hand is 369 and my shield is 372.. Crafting this would be the best....
haste/vers is fine
you can only have two embellishments and lariat is one of those, both Fang Adornements and Armor Spikes are roughly ~1% dps so can't go wrong with either
steel mauve
also adding different glow colors and stuff as well if you want to get fancy
short nest
hey guys, does it matter which of the strengh onehands i should craft?
sweet summit
this is so close, the falloff timer is perfect, how can i show it with in combat...
sec
stable valve
hey guys, does it matter which of the strengh onehands i should craft?
Transmog/cheapest
short nest
ty
slim musk
anyone know why my objectives side bar opens whenever i go into combat 😦
my UI so cluttered
steel mauve
i havent had that happen, only time it does for me is going into a mythic plus and it auto opens with the timer and stufff
worldly kiln
follow up Q on Heroic Dath - How do you time the taunt swap at the beginning. saw a guy mention 1 stack taunt after pull, then the usually 3 stack
jagged pier
yes
oak junco
ok so i can't be the only one having this - how do people deal with not having a tank spot in raids? like, i love tanking and i'll happily spend an entire tier doing nothing but tank, but i've never had as much fun before or since back when i ran a mythic raid team end of bfa/start of SL and got to tank at a CE level. since we had to disband that team i've not managed to find a tank spot for even a AotC guild(granted, i went on break for end of SL because game sucked). i much prefer playing the game with a bit more stability and a goal to work towards with some guildies/friends rather than the endless waves of pugs upon pugs. dps'ing just isn't much fun to do over the course of a tier.
how do others deal with this? i can't be the only one that loves tanking and dps'ing less so, but still really wants to raid.
muted nexus
tanking feels like it's very in-demand right now because of how difficult everything else is comparatively
not saying tanking is easy, but tanks don't get 1 shot by 99% of mechanics in dungeons 
serene sapphire
PUG a lot. The truth is most guilds never look to replace their tanks because most people don’t understand what it is that separates good tanks from great tanks. We don’t have a DPS meter to gauge our ability in a very linear way.
vital arch
Tank is a leadership position so you gotta just weasel your way in to a pug and show em how it's done
Or try leading a pug, slow fill quick kills.
tepid coral
I just missed 1 mob with the standard sbg route again
No spiders left
Half the time my route is perfect and other time I miss 1 count, anyone else noticed this?
sweet summit
this is so close, the falloff timer is perfect, how can i show it with in combat...
i am too dumb and out of time, try asking the weak aura discord maybe
slim dove
I just missed 1 mob with the standard sbg route again
2 bats at first spider?
muted nexus
no problem appreciate the assistance!
patent quiver
Half the time my route is perfect and other time I miss 1 count, anyone else not...
This sounds lame af but adds from the 1st boss give 2 count each. So if your DPS is blasting and you get 1 add your route might not be enough
slim dove
Maybe you didnt pull a rune?
the ghosts that cast death blast? pre sure they give no %
frosty mango
Guys which one would u prefer?
I'd use both, the loop is incredible for defensive dungons
stable valve
Half the time my route is perfect and other time I miss 1 count, anyone else not...
Missing the pat after second boss?
frosty mango
Downburst when you plan on jamming dps
stable valve
the ghosts that cast death blast? pre sure they give no %
Yeah but you always pull them to try and get a lil meter pad 😎
slim dove
Yeah but you always pull them to try and get a lil meter pad 😎
its smbg id rather just do my 4 (insert highest key of the week) and never go there again
slim dove
idk ive bricked every jade past 15, dps keep standing in waves on third boss
tired pivot
does spell block prevent oneshots?
oak junco
how are you guys doing really high jade temples
people ive been running with cc 2 of the last pack and hope for the best really
slim dove
does spell block prevent oneshots?
its a huge help
i wouldnt go near temple without double wall and spell block
oak junco
its the magic damage nukes that kill you
patent quiver
Yeah that last pack of Temple is absolutely brutal
frosty mango
@tepid coral are you pulling the bats with the first worm miniboss?
Pay attention to them, sometimes it's a 4pack and sometimes it's 5, if it's a 4 you will be .1% short
uncut notch
i know i know in the pins etc but real quick which flask for raiding?
patent quiver
glacial fury
frosty mango
how are you guys doing really high jade temples
Spell block/spell ref
uncut notch
glacial fury
ty
frosty mango
For last pack we cc two of them
slim dove
Yeah that last pack of Temple is absolutely brutal
its not bad. get dps to blow up the fearing sha first, stun the 3x dark claw adds so they sync up, reflect first cast, wall/spell block second
tired pivot
how much does spell block actually block
slim dove
by 3rd dark claw cast atleast 1-2 should be dead
tired pivot
I assume it isn't fully like spell reflect
frosty mango
Having 3 of the magic nukes plus the exploding little dudes is a pain imo it's easier to just cc two and split the pull in half
slim dove
how much does spell block actually block
whatever % you block.
uncut notch
how much does spell block actually block
30% baseline buffed by mastery/critblock
patent quiver
how much does spell block actually block
the same as your block value. It just makes you able to block spells
tired pivot
ah, so still rng
frosty mango
No
sick sentinel
huh
patent quiver
no it's not RNG
frosty mango
You have shield block
sick sentinel
do you not know how block works?
patent quiver
block isn't RNG cause shield block is 100% uptime
tired pivot
I am going to be honest, I have been doing 20 keys without fully understanding block on warrior
patent quiver
You have 100% block while SB is up
tired pivot
it only seems to matter on jade serpent
stable valve
I am going to be honest, I have been doing 20 keys without fully understanding b...
Shield block 100% uptime
tired pivot
I am asking about spell block
stable valve
So you always block a % of fam
tall cedar
guys when exactly we drop cobalt attack ring
sweet summit
I am going to be honest, I have been doing 20 keys without fully understanding b...
what is there to not understand?
stable valve
I am asking about spell block
Same thing
tall cedar
which ilvl outscale it?
tired pivot
I see, so just press it and I won't die to that pack on a 20
stable valve
Spell block just makes it where you can block both
jagged pier
guys when exactly we drop cobalt attack ring
Thats the fun thing u dont
frosty mango
Spell block just makes your shield block apply to spells. So for 20s spells are also mitigated. If you want to think of it in a simplified way imagine the tooltip says "all incoming spells are now physical attacks for 20 seconds"
stable valve
And shield block up means you always block
tired pivot
ahh, that sounds really simple
jagged pier
Also at the moment doesnt have a mitigation cap
tired pivot
thanks for clarifying it to me
sweet summit
spell block crit blocks are also not capped at 85% dr for some reason unless changed with the reset xddddd
jagged pier
So u can immue magic damage
tall cedar
@jagged pier Im looking my dmg chart it deals huge chunk of dmg ... So idk other 415-418 ring gonna outscale cobalt
jagged pier
They dont
tired pivot
I have seen the 99.99% spell blocks with reflects lol
jagged pier
Its doesnt get replaced
stable valve
What I’m curious, is what is the block radius for spell block? Same as normal block?
jagged pier
U run that and fire ring
frosty mango
Also spell reflect is a mitigation CD as well - 20% dr
tall cedar
fire or auto attack ring?
sweet summit
What I’m curious, is what is the block radius for spell block? Same as normal bl...
not sure i understand but yea
frosty mango
A lot of people miss that
stable valve
Is there some weird thing where you can spell block from the back?
sweet summit
no we can't
sweet summit
can't block dots either
stable valve
no we can't
Figured, but haven’t tried it lol
stable valve
can't block dots either
Yeah I remember that post when they also changed holy shield for ppal
Would be so so good if we could lmao
But ima dwarf so nbd
tired pivot
dwarf master race
gloomy turret
which 2 embellishments are we running mostly? lariat and armor spikes?
edgy bone
Which trinkets would you guys use for keys in the 15-18 range?
i'm ROughly 404 iLvl equipped
earnest nymph
does spell block work on Piercing shards casts from the crystal furies in AV?
I know it can be stunned
just curious if spell block also works on it
sweet summit
haven't tried, have u checked the sheet?
mellow quartz
hit, not dot
earnest nymph
haven't tried, have u checked the sheet?
apologies, where can I find that?
nvm found it
slim dove
Which trinkets would you guys use for keys in the 15-18 range?
windscar for sure
idk how good rumbling is
tall cedar
@jagged pier btw u meant Fire dmg one from raid right ? not absorbing one
edgy bone
windscar for sure
rumbling has been adding about 3-4% dps overall
tall cedar
this one
edgy bone
And agree on windscar
slim dove
And agree on windscar
im at 29? court runs, haven't seen a single one drop
for anyone.
edgy bone
lmao
toxic pewter
rumbling has been adding about 3-4% dps overall
I also have a rumbling, does the attack power we get from using it do anything meaningful for us you think?
edgy bone
I can't get puzzlebox to drop so i feel you
slim dove
id much rather farm COS then AA though lol
mellow quartz
im at 29? court runs, haven't seen a single one drop
you in fury loot spec?
mellow quartz
I havent seen a single belt or shoulders all season so 🤷♂️
slim dove
i got heroic incarnate icon from box SO
and my DH m+ buddy got heroic grieftorch
so our luck for the szn is gone
patent quiver
I havent seen a single belt or shoulders all season so 🤷♂️
My Priest alt is 390 equipped and rocking 343 gloves and boots
slim dove
My Priest alt is 390 equipped and rocking 343 gloves and boots
primal storms for 385? drakebreaker pvp crap for 366? man
mellow quartz
those you can replace from rare drops though
jagged pier
<@179993058186625025> btw u meant Fire dmg one from raid right ? not absorbing o...
yes
patent quiver
primal storms for 385? drakebreaker pvp crap for 366? man
pvp 🤮
patent quiver
already capped tho lol
mellow quartz
rares drop you 380
tender cove
primal storms for 385? drakebreaker pvp crap for 366? man
I did lfr and lucked out on that sweet 385 tier piece and storm boons trinket.
which brings me to my next question, how big is the 2/4set? It wasnt that huge was it?
mellow quartz
It’s ‘nice’ but you won’t really feel it.
pulsar sedge
Idk.. You will spend less range on IP and more on revenge and you get the 4% buff. Im sure you will notice it
rage*
Especially if you werent using BV because it was/is buggy. The 4pc fixes that
worldly kiln
anyone haver a link to the best route for h broodkeeper
every site has a different route
grave wedge
wwyd 30 ilvls on legs or 17 ilvls and 1st piece of tier also legs done raiding for week
gloomy turret
having a hard time deciding between embellished helm or embellished shield.. both are low ilvl in need of upgrade, and by looks both are same dps increase embellishment wise
pulsar sedge
Tier
gloomy turret
or is embellished wrists our best choice for 2nd embellishment with lariat?
gloomy vortex
anyone haver a link to the best route for h broodkeeper
I use the one on wowhead and have taken him down twice with it
pulsar sedge
Seems pretty weak. Idk
fading tide
Hello should I get the tier gloves from vault for a 3 Ilvl upgrade or a helm that’s a 6 Ilvl upgrade and has haste (my current helm does not)
pulsar sedge
Tier.
gloomy turret
tier until u have 4set
pulsar sedge
Tier>ilvl>best stats
tired pivot
does someone have a Spell Block WA?
pulsar sedge
Check pins.
tired pivot
it is not there
pulsar sedge
Very first pin.
lofty harbor
To my knowledge they work on the same rule. With Spell Block just not reflecting
tired pivot
does the WA in pins track it?
I guess I can test
tho if it doesn't I will still need one
fading tide
How’s tanking feel this week?
worthy dirge
Anyone have some WA to keep track of shield block uptime
pulsar sedge
Dont think there is a spell block wa, because it just blocks or mitigates all spells for its duration
And its pretty niche anyways. Not all that good.
worthy dirge
So we don't need to micro-manage it's uptime?
slim dove
How’s tanking feel this week?
Easy if dps kick/stop
pulsar sedge
If kicks are going out like normal, its kinda a wasted talent
tired pivot
not at all
pulsar sedge
k
pulsar sedge
Ran it on 15 this week and didnt need it.
slate root
Hey guys, its worth craft the belt? the unstable frostfire
steel mauve
should be easy to make a spell block weakaura to see if its on cd, when it comes up and when its active, and you shouldnt need a WA to track uptime of shield block, just one to track when its active
pulsar sedge
Lol k. Or get people to kick ;D
spice axle
does our aoe silence only work if the mobs are casting? (talking about dathea adds more specificly)
slim dove
Hey guys, its worth craft the belt? the unstable frostfire
With raid ring yes.
tired pivot
kick what
slate root
i already have the tier set helmet so i cant craft
tired pivot
do you even know what those mobs do?
tired pivot
I am not going to argue with you if you have no clue what you are talking about
I am just asking for a WA
pulsar sedge
spell reflect stops the fire debuff
solar sandal
i guess you guys kinda talkin about it already but i was just about to come ask
slate root
With raid ring yes.
i still dont have
solar sandal
how the fuck do i survive jade phase in temple boss?
slate root
what should i craft?
solar sandal
i am getting ass blasted
slim dove
how the fuck do i survive jade phase in temple boss?
Rotate defensives. Double wall helps a ton. Health pot. Health stone. Externals.
pulsar sedge
Spell reflect fire. Healer dispels green.
solar sandal
im in defensive stance, i took spell block, i took bitter immunity
im shield walling
and im just getting dumpstered
inland mesa
Immunity o.O
solar sandal
yeah like im out of ideas
so i was like sure why not
fuck my damage
30% heal sign me up
tired pivot
and im just getting dumpstered
healer problem in addition to you maybe not using your defensives properly
inland mesa
I just shield wall first, last stand 2nd with spell block, shield wall 3rd, it should be dead
tired pivot
can't say since I can't see you play
solar sandal
running with a holy priest
tired pivot
holy priests will have a harder time with that
inland mesa
Save impending victory for immediately after hit
pulsar sedge
Is he dispelling you?
solar sandal
Is he dispelling you?
hold the fuck up, the green burn is dispellable?
there's no way
tired pivot
there is no dispelling that
solar sandal
ok
bold turret
Save impending victory for immediately after hit
This at least eats into the healing absorb
solar sandal
yeah i use it there for sure
tired pivot
you have to use your defensives that give you dr
pulsar sedge
100% can dispel fire debuff
tired pivot
in addition to healing defensives
slim dove
Also can save lust for 70%
bold turret
SR for the magic damage dr?
slim dove
Fights over at 30% anyways
solar sandal
yeah i reflect fire
i take 0 damage that phase
it's the 70-30 jade phase that's just wiping my key today =/
slim dove
it's the 70-30 jade phase that's just wiping my key today =/
Healer issue if your using defensive properly.
inland mesa
Lust it, if you get more than 3 your dps is low
slim dove
Also dps if it's not dying fast enough
solar sandal
i normally do
bold turret
You can use SR for DR on the jade hit right?
solar sandal
but was going to lust for the last sha pack on fort week
it was a 19
figured that was gonna shit on me
slim dove
Last pack is easy if you don't zugg it.
bold turret
It slaps idk it’s a healer thing if your rotating defensives correctly
slim dove
Blow up fear mob, reflect first 3 dark claws, stun 1 to desync
tired pivot
how I did it on 19 with little trouble, 1st as spell reflect and demoralizing shout with Impending Victory, 2nd shield wall with Last Stand, 3rd was basically the 1st one
inland mesa
Use single stops to delay claw hits and murder a single one. Or full stops depending on comp and as soon are stuns are done run for your life until 1-2 are dead
solar sandal
ok thanks kabum i'll try it again
we ahve another 19 <.<
all our fucking 19s rolled temple
fucking hate this place
solar sandal
also like
ya'll still playin in battle stance?
i switched to defensive for temple b/c i know i get fucked but im wondering if there's a point where that just becomes the norm lol
i always felt it was pretty w/e
solar sandal
GA
tired pivot
my healer is a disc
uneven mason
all our fucking 19s rolled temple
I've determined that I'd rather fuck a cactus than deal with that last trash pack on fortified again.
inland mesa
I still do most of temple in battle
tired pivot
o yeah, I wonder if GA will remove the debuff after you cheat death
gloomy turret
I've determined that I'd rather fuck a cactus than deal with that last trash pac...
big lul
slim dove
ya'll still playin in battle stance?
99% of time yes.
uneven mason
I press defensive stance when my healer dies
inland mesa
First pulls with splash if dps are pepega aoeing instead of stopping them, weave in 2nd boss at higher stacks, then jade phase. Rest is battle
slim dove
I finish most dungeons 40-50 overall lul
solar sandal
yeah im still averaging like 45k overall for dungeons i do
uneven mason
So, horror story
I went into a 10 Shadowmoon on my little shammy healer, and my warrior tank used whirlwind
solar sandal
sometimes you just wanna mix it up
tired pivot
GA
btw, with GA, I am prett sure that the holy priest can just pump you with heals through 1 of the kicks, as long as you add at least some defensive power like spell reflect
lyric geode
Do i ask more?
tired pivot
I went into a 10 Shadowmoon on my little shammy healer, and my warrior tank used...
I think I press whirlwind like 3 times per dungeon
solar sandal
i ran battle-scarred veteran for the first time too
and it didnt seem to do fuck all on that boss lol
tired pivot
I am pretty sure I did a 17 tyrannical with my healer being a holy
inland mesa
What's a whirlwind?
tired pivot
when he pressed GA, I was just fine for that kick
round pendant
Worth it to replace Show of Force with Disrupting Shout for CoS?
tired pivot
round pendant
Those imps seem to fuck everyone up and I feel like that'd make it trivial
tired pivot
Worth it to replace Show of Force with Disrupting Shout for CoS?
you can of course use disrupting shout if you feel you need it
I personally am always fine with the 2 aoe cc abilities I bring
fear and stun
solar sandal
shockwave seems to normally be enough for the imps
lol
everyone wants to blow them up
and saves something stupid for it anyway
tulip harness
Can someone explain overgrown ancient to me in simple terms?
lyric geode
Can someone explain overgrown ancient to me in simple terms?
2 phases
elfin moth
Hi guys im a little confused wowhead says i should craft the following shield: Primal Molten Defender. But wouldnt it be better to craft Shield of the Hearth https://i.gyazo.com/53041a53a4dd5ea1a83f85870ed47387.png
patent quiver
Can someone explain overgrown ancient to me in simple terms?
use challenging shout to pick up all the adds, Shockwave once they're grouped up and then kite
tulip harness
stand in green circle
does it leave a green circle behind when it dies, and we stand in it?
solar sandal
yes
patent quiver
does it leave a green circle behind when it dies, and we stand in it?
yeah it removes the huge DOT on the group
tulip harness
yeah thats what we're missing then
solar sandal
you focus the tree immediately
tired pivot
do not forget to get a poison dispel for the bossfight, little adds put a stacking dot on you
lyric geode
People are boggu even in 15s and up
tired pivot
at 35+, that dot fucks
lyric geode
35?
solar sandal
first run of the season we didnt know what it did
tired pivot
35 stacks
solar sandal
i think i hit 205 stacks 😄
tired pivot
how even
solar sandal
got
flattened
well they didnt kill the first set
and then the 2nd set showed up
and i commanding shouted
and uh....
they all hit me
tired pivot
jesus
patent quiver
Yeah the 2nd set auto activates so you have to kill the 1st set
solar sandal
lol
patent quiver
before then
tired pivot
that sounds like a horror film
tired pivot
that must have ticked for like 2 million
lyric geode
Guys, I was in a grp on 14s that they didnt know what to do with the balls and activate both of the phases at the same time..
I was triggered like usual
jagged pier
Hi guys im a little confused wowhead says i should craft the following shield: P...
No wrong stats that u cant change and that vers prov is worthless gives less vers than armour pieces. On top of that we dont really care vers ither
lyric geode
explain the tactics plain and simple
patent quiver
Guys, I was in a grp on 14s that they didnt know what to do with the balls and a...
they just tryin to get the achivement my man
fallen pulsar
this has probably been asked, but is frostfire good even without the ring? or is it only worth it if you have the fire ring
lyric geode
Still.
jagged pier
lyric geode
OMG, we have to kick the balls ASAP
fallen pulsar
oh its not a gear compare thing, I just dunno if its practical to get without the ring jakey
lyric geode
I mean, until how much lvl, will play know tactics
tired pivot
I finally picked up the totem from raid today
jagged pier
I dunno im probs gunna get it at some point
lyric geode
Also, on the last boss at Academy. People run out of the grp with 1 stack debuff
jagged pier
🤷
tired pivot
was running with 2 stat stick trinkets before that
solar sandal
b/c otherwise you have to read it
and figure out why a damage boost in listed in your debuff section
"run out of bad" lets you watch movies during the last boss instead
elfin moth
No wrong stats that u cant change and that vers prov is worthless gives less ver...
thank you!
lyric geode
I mean, on tree boss. People like.
We are all gathered like usual
a hunter is boggy dancing the floor
spark cedar
im tanking with whetstone and boon whenever i can LOL
@solar sandal boon?
solar sandal
> im tanking with whetstone and boon whenever i can LOL
<@128668354897510400> b...
Storm-eater's Boon from Dathea
lyric geode
the adds are more spread like butter in bread.
solar sandal
where you turn into a tornado and cant move
tired pivot
wait, big question, do I need to have shield block running for spell reflect to reflect?
I feel like I should know this already
severe steeple
no
tired pivot
right
severe steeple
spell reflect does not need spell block to function
weary python
Is there a proper way I should be simming on raidbots? Slap on the highest ilevel gear, and then sim trinkets/ gems/ enchants? If I sim multiple pieces of gear the combinations/ time just start taking entirely too long.
tired pivot
spell reflect does not need spell block to function
neat, this is what I wanted to know
worthy dirge
Can I ask a dumb question. Does anyone ever tank M+ in battle stance?
elfin moth
No wrong stats that u cant change and that vers prov is worthless gives less ver...
I should go with haste and versa then as stats for the shield right?
tired pivot
I was using it as if it didn't, just wanted to confirm
lyric geode
Can I ask a dumb question. Does anyone ever tank M+ in battle stance?
Most of the time
lofty harbor
Can I ask a dumb question. Does anyone ever tank M+ in battle stance?
The better question is does anyone ever tank in Defensive stance.
lyric geode
If I had a proper shield
worthy dirge
😮
lyric geode
I would run like 24/24
tired pivot
The better question is does anyone ever tank in Defensive stance.
I am usually in defensive stance when pushing a new highest key
lyric geode
I mean the healers hate me. But I have to pug and tunnel
solar sandal
i like the surprise
i cant think of a single thing that i would have survived if i had just had defensive stance on as the only difference
ngl
lyric geode
One question. What is an acceptable HPS on sanguine?
solar sandal
0
lyric geode
5k?/ 10k?
lofty harbor
I am usually in defensive stance when pushing a new highest key
Definitely once you hit the high end of content defensive stance becomes quite useful and better for the rhythm.
Was more making the joke to express how little I use Defensive Stance in Mythics Sub 15 and Normal Raid
tired pivot
the 20 academy we timed had a clutch moment where I would have died had I not been in defensive stance
tired pivot
poison lol
fallen pulsar
I can't find how much damage/the ppm for fang adornments, is it roughly equivalent to strike twice?
solar sandal
yeah that'll do it
lyric geode
Dudu must be quite useful in academy
muted nexus
is there anything against posting weakaura import strings here D: they're bulky but i owe credit to a mod here
lofty harbor
I can't find how much damage/the ppm for fang adornments, is it roughly equivale...
I believe it is very slightly better
sick sentinel
sanguine can be good if your entire party can stop stop on certain targets and all die together
lyric geode
survived on like 10k hp
How much hps on sanguine you had?
tired pivot
no clue
lyric geode
sanguine can be good if your entire party can stop stop on certain targets and a...
What I usually do is to move the movable targets
tired pivot
didn't check
sick sentinel
sanguine is a problem when pugs go DPS CDs go brrrrr
lyric geode
out of casters
weary python
The way battle/ defensive stance is being used it really feels like battle stance should just be normal, and defensive stances should be a cooldown that's like a weaker version of shield wall.
tired pivot
I was too hyped about having finished an academy on 20
we still only timed it by 5 seconds
lyric geode
I believe with 410 gear, they would be doable.
lyric geode
I am at 15s with 390 gear.
sick sentinel
im big slackin
hazy sluice
spell block for academy?
sturdy sable
The way battle/ defensive stance is being used it really feels like battle stanc...
That's exactly what it is now
tired pivot
sanguine is a problem when pugs go DPS CDs go brrrrr
the problem is when pugs go cd go brrrrr stun stun stun
sick sentinel
spell block for academy?
not really no
hazy sluice
kk
steel mauve
ya i ran an m+ earlier and the monk literally kept stunning them in sanguine
lyric geode
OR just increase the dmg done and decrease the dmg taken while in defensive stance
steel mauve
likle half the damn run
lyric geode
So, I dont have to be in dilemma
sick sentinel
well sanguine is if it heals something rthat just gunna sit there immunity to CC cuz hes mini boss elite and there is second target, you get on second target
lofty harbor
spell block for academy?
Go for Bitter Immunity if you don't have a poison dispel otherwise I don't really change any talents in Academy
tired pivot
bitter immunity is not really something you should take
it only helps on 1 add phase
lyric geode
Defensive stance should decrease the damage taken by 20% and decrease the damage done by 5%
tired pivot
you still need a dispel on 2nd one
sick sentinel
healers usually have you covered when it comes to dispels
healer that doesn't dispel you is healer you don't want
tired pivot
Defensive stance should decrease the damage taken by 20% and decrease the damage...
fully agreed
weary python
That's exactly what it is now
Yeah, but not technically. It's still a toggleable stance, and isn't being used really as such. The way it's being used by 99% of the community, it really should just be a button you hit with a CD.
lofty harbor
healers usually have you covered when it comes to dispels
Hence why I said if you don't have a poison dispel.
Regardless 100% agree with you both that its not that helpful. Its just the only talent swap I can think of.
tired pivot
I get you, but switching will not help at all
since you can not survive the boss with it
sick sentinel
aint there still anti poision potions at the auction house from alchemy???
mellow quartz
I always run bitter immunity for AA
tired pivot
now, if you are a dwarf
sick sentinel
i have to assume thats still a thing
mellow quartz
only thing that matters is killing tree boss
tender cove
lol...typical dps.. I'm in boon, rooted, doing massive dps and timed it bad with thundering. have 2 melee, dh/warr. Nobody resets me, i die. Get flamed for dying and told l2p the affix xD
what... xD
lofty harbor
Yeah, but not technically. It's still a toggleable stance, and isn't being used...
IMO if they wanted to make it a cooldown they should just not have it. It doesn't add anything to the class as a second shield wall.
Its built to be stance danced but right now in most non top end content you don't need Defensive Stance nearly as much.
lusty tiger
I hate thundering
tired pivot
Defensive stance is fine as it is atm, the problem is that tanks in general are too tanky
so with tanks being able to handle everything
lofty harbor
Defensive stance is fine as it is atm, the problem is that tanks in general are ...
Ye. 100%
tired pivot
you don't really need defensive stance
lofty harbor
I prefer it this way anyway. I don't like stance dancing.
sick sentinel
my absolute favorite is, some how, some way, nobody really knows unless i CSI the footage later on, we ass pull some trash mobs and then all hell breaks loose some how, the healer dies, dps dies, stuns everything
tired pivot
I honestly prefer us being this tanky as well
tho I would like it if they buffed healers and nerfed us
or just blanket buffed healing, who will be hurt by pushing higher keys
tender cove
tho I would like it if they buffed healers and nerfed us
nah, buff healers too, make shit trivial until you hit the wall scaling wise
lofty harbor
Defensive stance is fine as it is atm, the problem is that tanks in general are ...
Honestly the only thing I'd change if I was "fixing" it would just be to remove the damage nerf and add a comparable buff to battle stance. So you aren't being nerfed in defensive stance just trading a buff for another buff.
Its semantic.
tired pivot
that would be a cool change yeah
lyric geode
By buffing us, they also buff the healers. If healers no need to heal us. They will probably survive the grp much easier
sturdy sable
Yeah, but not technically. It's still a toggleable stance, and isn't being used...
Thats call an expression of skill
tired pivot
well, aoe healing is the problem
tanks usually survive those
with dps dropping like flies
that is kind of the limiter atm
lofty harbor
well, aoe healing is the problem
Yep. It makes bad habits for tanks to overpull.
lyric geode
and I am like, why I am 10% of the healer's heal
lofty harbor
Its the one thing about being so strong I don't like is having to pull based on the group's limit rather than mine.
lyric geode
But it is a teamwork mechanic
I expect everyone being helpful
If the limit is on heal
To be fair, limits of the heal= Not enough ccs and interrupts
south zealot
any banner missers
lyric geode
any banner missers
Nah
lofty harbor
Its not a problem in coordinated groups. Just makes pugging less fun imo.
sick sentinel
if i ever get that NO dps speed trinket to drop for me or traded, im very interested to pilot it for some keys
lofty harbor
any banner missers
Nah. It feels like we are playing with banner baseline IMO
south zealot
Nah. It feels like we are playing with banner baseline IMO
not true
oblique garnet
its so slow 
lyric geode
I had my pregroup team yelling me to banner etc
lofty harbor
Well its true because its my opinion but aight.
lyric geode
Not want that shit
sick sentinel
nah, buff healers too, make shit trivial until you hit the wall scaling wise
this is what i have been saying all along, buff healer survivability, how much dmg they take and how they take dmg
lyric geode
banners is quite a pain in the ass when you are pregrped
because everyone is expecting you to banner on their cds
on pugs it isnt the case
sick sentinel
it does not inspire great confidence when the 1 guy meant to keep you alive dies to everything in 1 shot
lyric geode
pugs>>> preamde
south zealot
my team never did that
lofty harbor
this is what i have been saying all along, buff healer survivability, how much d...
So make them tanks but who heal instead of harm.
I like this idea.
lyric geode
If only the make the uptime of banner go up when you press skills as well, for your teammates
I would much more appreciate
sick sentinel
pugs is hell, but it feels right to me
bunch of dumbos get togethger see if they can stick it to man boss
fallen pulsar
if you recraft something, does it keep it's enchants?
not the crafting materials but like sophic writ/devotion
weary python
Thats call an expression of skill
Not really. And TBH, I bet eventually they just remove it again or turn it into a cooldown the way it's being used by the community.
steel mauve
if you recraft something, does it keep it's enchants?
yes
mighty valley
tons of people come in here saying they're permanently in d stance
i would guess most of the average playerbase is like that tbh
fallen pulsar
I usually see in vods of higher end keys people playing in d stance all the time/most of the time
lofty harbor
I bet a lot of people just assume its the normal strat because tank = defense = defensive stance.
lofty harbor
I usually see in vods of higher end keys people playing in d stance all the time...
And 100% this
steel mauve
tons of people come in here saying they're permanently in d stance
i did until i figured out i couldnt really die, havent played since shadowlands launch and its been longer than that since ive done serious content, so i went back to the way it was 2 expacs ago lol
mighty valley
yeah it makes sense, especially since it used to be where the threat modifier was baked in
steel mauve
ya, before i went to bstance i even checked to see if dstance still have a threat mod on it
fallen pulsar
I think if your group is pumping hard, perma d stance makes the dungeon smoother imo. And the extra tank damage wouldn't make or break the key timer most of the time. But yeah I'd assume the top 1% of prot probably know the best time to stance swap in
for most people the extra buffer is probably helping them
oblique garnet
swap when it starts to hurt pmuch
fallen pulsar
also perma d stance lets you push higher keys than you probably have the gear for
slim dove
Group dies before we do.
fallen pulsar
fair enough
slim dove
Don't use dstance as a crutch for bad play
Also, we do very relevant damage. Nerfing that by 14% is silly unless absolutely required to survive some tank buster
analog sparrow
newbie question, but as far as the 1h craftable weapons go, is there enough of a difference to care about? I can make the best hammer and axe, but if sword is clearly better, should I find a crafter for it?
slim dove
newbie question, but as far as the 1h craftable weapons go, is there enough of a...
They're all the same iirc besides material requirement and appearance
analog sparrow
thats what im seeing too, aside from the damage range, it's all the same. didnt know if higher top end did anything relevant
slim dove
Swords are shared by more classes iirc so more crafters are gonna be specced for making them at 5*
fallen pulsar
wish I could crafting order enchantments
sick sentinel
one thing is asmongold is prot now, and hes always in bstance, and hes most viewed on twitch
surprised more player don't take after him
inland mesa
I'm very rarely in d stance up to 19/20 and through mythic Sennarth
stoic elm
guys here another +15 log
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8wBFnA2rHMQK9t6D#fight=last&type=casts
i did see for the important stats,
like blocked hit
cpm
rage wasted.
anything else i should look for?
to improve
pulsar sedge
Might be reading it wrong.. But does that say shield block at 9%?
cinder storm
72% blocked
unkempt topaz
Hey guys, I heard a rumour that Battle-Scarred veteran isn't working properly. Is that true?
cinder storm
You wasted 41 VO proccs on TC, theres like a few packs where I understand you use it but...that was too much
Pull 1 is all the way to the dragon but thats routing issue
stoic elm
what is vo lmao
sweet summit
85% isn't bad but there is definitely room for improvement
pulsar sedge
I see it now, i didnt click on buffs.
slim musk
could you explain to me what VO and SS means?
stoic elm
same questioin as dany
sweet summit
violent outburst
pulsar sedge
Lol or that ;D
steel mauve
its the buff we get to increase dmg of shield slam (SS) and thunderclap (tc or tclap) after spending 30 rage 8 times
slim musk
wait are yuo not supposed to do that?
pulsar sedge
"old shadowlands set proc" ;D
mellow quartz
Those adds in the 3rd boss in smbg start to hurt when you get up there in key level.
steel mauve
shield slam on under 5 targets, tclap on 5 targets iir, or some thing close to that
cinder storm
85% isn't bad but there is definitely room for improvement
it comes different for me
cinder storm
Ah, ty
stoic elm
i mean i just press whats ready
same atm but slowly improving
dusky burrow
HEY QUESTION:
Asked a few times but no direct answer. What are the two best emblishments we get get as prot warriors? I know Lariat is probably one but whats the second ppl are running with?
steel mauve
ya, there can always be a more efficient way of utilizing spells and buff's
lusty narwhal
so im still fairly new to prot warrior, i have the weakaura for ignore pain, which basically shows that i can stack the amount of hp it goes up to to a certain cap?
is that right>?
weary python
What primal ritual shell buff is used?
slim musk
i just hit 70 yesterday so my cap is like 109k or so
stoic elm
You wasted 41 VO proccs on TC, theres like a few packs where I understand you us...
umm ok so wasted 41 vo procs on tc what does that mean and how do i not do that. still dont really know what violet outburst is
pulsar sedge
Frostfire belt is nice with raid ring
mellow quartz
hmm I have gone this entire expansion until now without realizing that first boss in smbg actually had a tank hit.....
stoic elm
omfg didnt even know that
steel mauve
every time you spend 30 rage you get a stacking buff, at 8 stacks in increases damage of shield slam or thunder clap, you track it so you know how close you are to getting it, and when you have it and use the spell more fitting to the situation
stoic elm
should i be tracking it though?
VO
dusky burrow
Take your pick
Ya but is there one thats a little better say if u got the rare raid ring? are people going with bracers for rez? Just wondering what ppl are doing in higher keys?
pulsar sedge
Yes.
cinder storm
You should always use a VO procc on SS, except on some scenarios, but for the most part, VO with SS
pulsar sedge
You get a ton more rage if you use SS over TC
slim musk
thunderclap feels omega weak in comparison to how it did in bfa
pulsar sedge
Again, unless you are at more than 5 targets
stoic elm
im just spamming shield slam and tc most of the time.
ah
so if i use any other abilitiy in vo
its useless?
steel mauve
no
stoic elm
ss is much better?
cinder storm
You should be spamming revenge and SS and TC when its off cd and when its not a VO procc
pulsar sedge
No.. it only consumes if you use SS or TC
steel mauve
it only gets use with ss or clap
sturdy sable
Not really. And TBH, I bet eventually they just remove it again or turn it into...
Using something reactively over just "set and forget" is totally an expression of skill if you think otherwise i dont know what to tell you
stoic elm
ah
slim musk
you probably lose about 3.5% dps if you mess this one up
steel mauve
ideally you should use a weakaura to track it
stoic elm
ah will do that
slim musk
i made that number up
stoic elm
but i mindlessly spam ss and tc
pulsar sedge
Its just a loss of a ton of rage
stoic elm
shouldnt it have not been wasted,
steel mauve
theres some online, and its simple to make your own weakauras if you want some thing custom to your liking
slim musk
yeah and rage
slim musk
probably doiesnt matter in low keys, but if you push high you will probvably have to min max eversything
cinder storm
You should spam IP less and Revenge more, you have 83 revenge vs 305 IP
stoic elm
i find tmw much better than anything.
steel mauve
you cant "waste" the buff, but theres usually the best way to use it, and just a way to use it
cinder storm
Like, inverse those numbers
stoic elm
IP?
steel mauve
ignore pain
cinder storm
Ignore Pain
weary python
Using something reactively over just "set and forget" is totally an expression o...
And that's why I said it's likely they turn it into a cooldown. If you didn't read that I don't know that to tell you.
steel mauve
ideally you want ip up for burst damage or to not cap rage, over capping rage is literally wasted rage that could be spent on revenge or ignore pain
slim musk
i always thought you need to have IP up always?
pulsar sedge
You should, but you dont need to spam it
slim musk
so as soon as it fall off or is about to fall off reapply?
pulsar sedge
Spam revenge instead
stoic elm
but its better used oin revenge as well
lusty narwhal
Anyone have a weakaura for tracking violent outburst?
scarlet mesa
what enchants do we use for prot?
pulsar sedge
If you have IP rolling and have high rage, spam revenge.
steel mauve
it only takes what? 2-3 casts to cap out unless you are getting whalloped, so if you spam it, the rage used on it is wasted as you gain nothing from over capping ip
slim musk
thank
sleek gulch
is tclap not more dmg than revenge? i mean outside of avatar
sturdy sable
And that's why I said it's likely they turn it into a cooldown. If you didn't r...
It is a cooldown with 3s but i guess i dont know how to read so maybe you should check for yourself
cinder storm
This is a key me helping friends
pulsar sedge
Well, revenge has no cooldown.. Thunderclap does.
stoic elm
dooes revnge have some cast time or ami delusional
steel mauve
and revenge does more damange
slim musk
dooes revnge have some cast time or ami delusional
i feel that for thunderous roar
steel mauve
no, you can proc reveneges, but theres no cast or cd
slim musk
even though i press it sometimes it just doesnt cast
cinder storm
Cast time is as long as your fingers 
stoic elm
same issue for me as danny
im thinking while spamming ss adn tc
gcd
doesnt let you cast revenge
pulsar sedge
Revenge is part of the gcd
stoic elm
while it does ignore pain
slim musk
probably gets better with higher haste
pulsar sedge
IP isnt apart of the gcd.
stoic elm
hmm
pulsar sedge
Cant really spam either of those tho
steel mauve
while tclap and ss are on cd, and you dont desperately need ip, then revenege dps is better suited
unless you get mega lucky, but even then you will find ss and tclap on cd at the same time
stoic elm
so yeah i start tracking VO and when vo is up start using ss more than tc right?
cinder storm
You should feel as if you offended someone whenever you use TC on VO, at least that's what I do
steel mauve
more or less, tclap on 5 targets, ss on less than 5, is a min/max
pulsar sedge
Unless you just hit SS like a dummy knowing you had 28 stacks.. and now its on cd
Then i mean... a TC VO is better than afking
steel mauve
ya ive slipped a ss at likem 7 stacks and then just had to use it on tclap, tclap vo is better than sitting there waiting for an ss
stoic elm
do you guys have a vo tracker?
pulsar sedge
Track your stacks, no just the full proc
steel mauve
ya, i track the stacks, and then the vo proc
pulsar sedge
Yeah
stoic elm
where can i find that out
pulsar sedge
steel mauve
theres a list on wowhead i think that shows the first 20 weeks of affixes, or 10, i cant remember
stoic elm
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8wBFnA2rHMQK9t6D#fight=last&type=damage-taken&source=7
ok so once again just to make sure. what else can i improve.
apart from utilizing vo better.
pulsar sedge
shield block uptime
You can mantain it at 100% if you have optimal talents and rotation
stoic elm
what is mine currently.?
cinder storm
Why are people pulling bulls on fenrir? specially if you have melees and they do that big stomp
cinder storm
85% isn't bad but there is definitely room for improvement
this
pulsar sedge
They are easily cc'able and the wolves hurt
stoic elm
oh well im brain ded and i dont really know the route and pulls tbh
oblique garnet
Why are people pulling bulls on fenrir? specially if you have melees and they do...
someone ninjapulled
pulsar sedge
Also shows you only used last stand twice in the key
cinder storm
someone ninjapulled
Ah, classic tech
quartz jackal
Guys when you want to recraft the neck, you cant do a public order?
sick sentinel
someone ninjapulled
yes, have to have spidey sense for that type of crap
quartz jackal
i only get personal or guild order
stoic elm
danzo no
quartz jackal
so whats my options?
sick sentinel
ah shit, the healer is gunna aggro the pat cuz he aint movin
steel mauve
idk, i think his actual effective shield block uptime wasnt bad
cinder storm
Usually person who crafted lariat will recraft it higher or use trade chat
pulsar sedge
He asked for improvments. 85% is decent, but 100% is easily done too ;D
quartz jackal
anyone here that can craft for me?
cinder storm
He didn't worry about SB downtime because he had too much IP
steel mauve
ah was it 85%, i did it the long way and compared threat to shield block uptime
stoic elm
or am i looking at wrong stat?
steel mauve
just by my eyes i figured 90% in my head, but not a hard number
oblique garnet
Ah, classic tech
I dont know if this was actually true or if some people do that on purpose to maybe get funnel damage
steel mauve
ya thats an easier weay to tell, if you take a hit you didnt have shield block up
oblique garnet
Or maybe fenryr aoe also does damage to bulls so it reduces the damage on group
cinder storm
I dont know if this was actually true or if some people do that on purpose to ma...
When it comes to pugs, anything is possible
lyric geode
If only they reintroduce reforging. That would be grea
mystic fog
So i stopped using defensive stance too much
lyric geode
All the excess mastery. BOOM to haste
stoic elm
since im learning only on defensive stance
mystic fog
And i went from 23k dps to 29k dps
pulsar sedge
Sounds about right.
lyric geode
And i went from 23k dps to 29k dps
seems normal
-10% plus the extra 3% crit.
it is rougly -15% you lose
mystic fog
My dungeon slicer on raidbots says i should be doing 35k i am ilvl390 btw
stoic elm
and what about cpm is that normal?
steel mauve
sims are more for telling if an item is an upgrade, not really what you should be achieving
sick sentinel
what is the supposed benefits to recrafting
steel mauve
high ilvl with the upgrade item
mystic fog
Yea i feel i could push it to 32kish with better gameplay
steel mauve
higher*
pulsar sedge
Getting the item at a higher level
sick sentinel
well, it still uses the same material and a spark right
sick sentinel
huh
steel mauve
like if you dont have the higher ilvl upgrad eitem and craft the nexk at 380 whgatever, then later you get it you can recraft it above 400 ilvl]
mystic fog
I actually get very close to my raidbots dmg on my dh
pulsar sedge
Like reforging a wep would be. 2 alloy or something
sick sentinel
hummmm
mystic fog
I do about 28k raidbots is 30k
sick sentinel
hmmmmm
chilly brook
sims are more for telling if an item is an upgrade, not really what you should b...
It’s certainly a goal that can be achieved
But you need to understand that sims are a specific scenario several thousand iterations over and over again
And there is variance, some of those sims are going to be around the number it shows, some below and some higher
It’s just an average
steel mauve
i should say not what you should achieve every combat encounter
steel mauve
there was a % number thrown around way back when i was raiding, but i dont remember it
edgy grail
Your variance should be % based
analog sparrow
ideally you should use a weakaura to track it
do you know if aefnar tracks when VO is ready or would you suggest something dedicated?
tawny kiln
different scenarios should affect how close you are to the sim
chilly brook
there was a % number thrown around way back when i was raiding, but i dont remem...
I’d assume 5% would be normalish
tawny kiln
how big you pull for instance
chilly brook
As in +/- 5%
steel mauve
I’d assume 5% would be normalish
5% sounds like what it was, but i wasnt gonna throw out a hard number incase i was wrong, that was like 4 years ago lol
chilly brook
Very minor variance
steel mauve
do you know if aefnar tracks when VO is ready or would you suggest something ded...
i have a dedicated weakaura for it, idk if any packs have them, i usually make my own
analog sparrow
ty
edgy grail
Then ofc there is crit variance
chilly brook
Ah nah it’s 5%
high drum
does anyone have a 418 weapon i can use as input for simc? not sure what hte bonusid is
edgy grail
Just add “,ilevel=418”
chilly brook
does anyone have a 418 weapon i can use as input for simc? not sure what hte bon...
If you’re just curious what the difference would be just do a droptimizer
high drum
ty
stark cradle
trying out a fun cringe build lol
ravager, thuderous roar, shield charge, wrecking throw, and spear of bastion in an 8 second avatar and demoralizing shout window
slamming on a target dummy
tender pollen
what enchant for weapon as prot ?
tender pollen
you could have just told me instead xD