protection

[craggy halo]

And i can always recraft the shield with other stats right? Or am i thinking wrong

[limpid anchor]

Yes

So you can’t really go wrong anyway

[craggy halo]

Okay wonderful, thanks for all the time, damn i feel like a banger noob

jesus

[neon elk]

Thata sadge but damn that timer will get hard nerf xd 30deaths still timed

[honest vale]

I've been humbled many times in these class Discords.

[edgy grail]

Weapon crafting was expensive for me

[limpid anchor]

Well he skipped a boss kek

[neon elk]

Yea lmao

[honest vale]

[limpid anchor]

But overall the only nerf I see coming is smb

The rest seem fine

Maybe cos

[edgy grail]

SMB? Lol

[honest vale]

I still can't believe they removed the skips in COS and SBG.

[mighty valley]

wait you think smb and cos are the most likely to be nerfed?

[neon elk]

Like timer on then

[limpid anchor]

Wait, sbg … I always say shadowmoon burial

[mighty valley]

oh

[craggy halo]

Oh also, should i put any embellishment in it, i guess armor spikes if any?

[neon elk]

They are too forgiving compared to rest

[brave temple]

we had like 28 deaths on the last pull before last boss

cuz i got slapped in the ass

[mighty valley]

all the embellishments are like 1% value, grab whichever two

[edgy grail]

That’s not a nerf then lol

[honest vale]

Dude, they need forgiving dungeons, we have plenty of non-forgiving dungeons.

[limpid anchor]

Spell block is your friend

[neon elk]

Idk if u know that , but u can spelblock and spellreflect those shadow claws and they hurt a loooot

[brave temple]

i cal spell block the claws?

[limpid anchor]

Nah they should all be equal

[brave temple]

i got shat on by 260k

[limpid anchor]

Yes

[limber flame]

think you can shockwave the four mobs

then they all cast dark claw at the same time right?

[limpid anchor]

At least I’m 90% sure bcs I can face tank them during block

[brave temple]

this is x1

and i get x2 of them

[limber flame]

and you just reflect for mega damage

[neon elk]

Yes if u talent into spell block u can spellbloxk them, also reflect them

[brave temple]

okay

i will try that

thanks

[honest vale]

All dungeons should allow for one full wipe.

[mighty valley]

honestly doubt they'll reduce a timer

[limpid anchor]

Nah

[mighty valley]

might just tweak mobs between seasons

[limpid anchor]

And all dungeons do atm

[neon elk]

Most likely not, but they need to further nerf some other stuff and increase some other timers

[warm plinth]

I highly doubt they'll reduce CoS timer because the amount of trash you need in the second area can be really RNG based on your group comp

[mighty valley]

there's no DOS this season, all of the timers feel pretty forgiving comparatively

[warm plinth]

Well not need, but have to kill is more accurate

[honest vale]

DOS was so bad early on.

[limpid anchor]

There’s a 100% guaranteed route

[warm plinth]

How is there a 100% guaranteed route

[limpid anchor]

Just 1-2 pulls are different

Depending on spawns

[neon elk]

Im defo not doing everhthing right, but rlp aa and vault are super unforgiving imo

[honest vale]

Pull the docks at the beginning, ez.

[warm plinth]

So that's not 100% guaranteed then 🤔 But I see your point.

[honest vale]

And every Guard + Wyrm pack you see.

[limpid anchor]

I mean

Either enforcer or another dude

[mighty valley]

i've had full party wipes on all of those dungeons and still timed

[limpid anchor]

But it’s not much different in the last stage

[warm plinth]

An acquaintance did a +19 Vault and even with only 2 deaths barely timed it

[mighty valley]

DOS season 1 was like... dungeon goes entirely smoothly, even do huge pulls in ardenweald, then you look up at the timer going into muezalah and you have 30 seconds left

[neon elk]

Ye u timed it with onr full wipe, yet u can still time cos smbg or jade with like 3-4 wipes .. how is it even close ?

[limpid anchor]

Idk they seem fine. Aa is kinda tight but I only did the dungeon twice so far, so not comfy on pulls yet

[mighty valley]

yeah, those two are extremely loose, I don't think that makes the others unforgiving

[honest vale]

AA is only tight because Tree. 🤣

[warm plinth]

Tbf this is not exactly an uncommon occurrence with Blizzard. There's almost always a dungeon or dungeons that are far more lenient than others.

[limpid anchor]

Not aa, azure vault

[neon elk]

Yea I hate that they cant balance it at least roughly .

[limpid anchor]

Funny that I failed 2 keys because of the bird

[clever heart]

Yo ! raiderio website top rated prot warriors vary alot on whether to talent "Intimidating Shout " vs "Honed Reflexes". Even when on the same key, same affixes. When do you think is the better time to use each?

[stark jewel]

yo guys, is there a way for us to make this ring worth it over cobalt ring? is there a consistent way to deal fire damage through a specific item or trinket?

[slim dove]

frostfire belt

[warm plinth]

Think back to past expansions. Streets, JY, DOS in SL (once DOS was adjusted), JY and Shrine in BFA, Halls and Court in Legion

[limber flame]

have had multiple bugs where mobs from Azure vault and SBG have been appearing durings pulls from underground bro

[stark jewel]

aight, is that a crafted item?

[warm plinth]

yep

[limber flame]

the big spider pack with the three bats before you make that turn to the four spider room?

[limpid anchor]

It’s not a bug

[limber flame]

oh its a feature got it

[limpid anchor]

It’s a secret technique

[stark jewel]

thanks guys!

[warm plinth]

No, secret technique is a sub rogue ability @limpid anchor

😏

[limpid anchor]

If you have an aoe, and you see the nameplates, you can pull them

[limber flame]

had the four spiders from the bottom pull up

[limpid anchor]

Like the shocking potion

You can pull the spiders up, you can pull the 3 bone guys and the mender up

Making 2 big pulls instead of 4 small ones

Pretty reliable

[brave temple]

so does spell block just

spell blocks or reflects

for 20 seconds

[warm plinth]

It blocks

[limpid anchor]

What does the name say

[warm plinth]

It's like your normal block, but it works on spells for 15 seconds

[limpid anchor]

Depends what your group needs

[warm plinth]

e.g. having shield block up (with spell block active) will cause all spells (not DoTs) to be blocked for 15 seconds as if they were melee attacks.

[proven depot]

can details show ignore pain and shield block application and uptime?

[warm plinth]

It can show uptime and number of casts

[proven depot]

i wanna see my ignore pain and shield block casts,where can i see them?

[jovial birch]

Buffs

Or auras

[warm plinth]

click on your name, then click the auras tab

[proven depot]

when im on buff uptime window i click my name and reports it to party

[craggy pilot]

wtf why is stuff like Boon trinket listed as offspec for prot tanks? 😦

[slim dove]

cuz blizzard thinks we're all just gonna use all-totem and decoration

[clever heart]

can you expand a little. like ur personal thoughts

[craggy pilot]

f

fml man

pugging raid as tank is no luck then

[slim dove]

change loot spec to fury

[limpid anchor]

Well, if my party doesn’t have enough aoe stops, I would take the fear, but if that’s already covered by like druids, but we have too few kicks, I would take the cd reduction

[proven depot]

the auras tab shows i have casted SB 8 time vs sennarth that cant be right

[craggy pilot]

does that work?

[slim dove]

i believe so

[craggy pilot]

ill try

thx

[limpid anchor]

I have a log where I casted it 3 time, so ye idk

[candid reef]

How good is Strike Twice? Just got it and wondering if i should replace my crafted my crafted weapon for it

[clever heart]

ok ty for ur thoughts 🙂

[stark jewel]

hey guys, I just got 2pc tier set, should I swap off barbaric training in m+ now?

[honest vale]

I mean, Crawth can be a pain too.

[limpid anchor]

It’s only bcs the boss is bugged af

[slim dove]

i burnt a 16 cuz an orb bugged out to spawn the stupid thing

[limpid anchor]

Yea

[slim dove]

now its rush to bird first lmao

[limpid anchor]

In a 19 we couldn’t get the goals to work, so we just got one tapped at like 6 stacks

Next key, invisible swirlies killing 2 dps

[honest vale]

Never tried, but I take it you can clear Tree trash, and just dash over to bird, right?

[limpid anchor]

Yes

[honest vale]

I feel like that would screw with Lust timers unless you don't lust Tree, then it's w/e.

[limpid anchor]

Depends where you want lust I guess

[honest vale]

I firmly believe lust isn't necessary for Tree. I'd rather have it for burn phase on Crawth.

Kill Tree, use lust on Crawth and it should be up for Echo, if that's where you wanna use it.

[limpid anchor]

On the bird it’s a bit of a lost value

And you definitely want to use it early

[honest vale]

The haste buff is certainly better than a lust.

[limpid anchor]

Otherwise you lose 1 usage

If you want todo that you can list first pack on the bridge

[honest vale]

Could technically get both the 75% dam amp and the haste buff at the same time, then blow all cooldowns in that window, but that sounds risky.

High risk, high reward though.

[limpid anchor]

Not really

[zealous grove]

If I'm big m+ focussed - is blazebinders hoof a decent valor upgrade target?

[limpid anchor]

If you can’t kill it, you can’t reset stacks anymore

[clever heart]

in m+ is it better to use our outburst on shield slam or thunderclap ?
is it as simple as shield slam in ST and thunderclap in aoe ?

[honest vale]

That's my point. High risk but a high reward. 45% haste plus a 75% dam amp is a significant amount of damage.

[limpid anchor]

Check how much dmg it does and the figure out the target count. But in general yes

[honest vale]

But yes, if you can't kill it in that window or shortly after, you're toast from Screech.

[clever heart]

❤️

[honest vale]

It's more of a you need to burn to like 40-50%, then activate both buffs.

[limpid anchor]

And even with that, you can’t kill it on higher keys

Or my dps players suck idk

[grim grotto]

i have the rlp trinket with 1 day cd. as far as i know we want the haste stat buff, right? so what target do i need for that ?

[honest vale]

It's certainly not a move to make if you want the safety net of resetting stacks. The fight's definitely not intended for this strat. It's intended to reset Screech stacks.

I haven't seen anyone do it, but the option is there.

My group lusts the second set of adds on tree just before the first Burst.

[tired forge]

anyone have tips for HoV 14+?

i cant seem to time it for shit

even a decent group is like just making it

[grim grotto]

what is ur problem

[tired forge]

like i have no idea how i can go much faster

[grim grotto]

bull bigger ^^

[old dragon]

Is the pillar dot on terros spell blockable??? had people in raid telling me to try it

[grim grotto]

!TrvtpUniq0)sbCSD812Qk1EWDvzvpIAs8qw3smBDGT7Uh6V9YWh2aosilZWmV59MzaoH)iNDCyqn9dy(2OAI3VFhHs4SZkPA(HJsqRHVmjuohnA1hr7Jtx4FOWNHxTXY1CMgE1(97kJg(3pR4m1PFbN13Sayn)xa(nV3A1moWzV98th(8FG377UYzVCuAamnNnZZWK(bJuY7Pl7zMts4fWAZsV5rH(BcXnWbSfqeD9IVFYmDbutos1GucUIC(eNDdKw2Gk9reil(2OE2MQBEdRFShHlcIUvz4Y(tTB1GlnEU31O3Apv8M0HkeNjevGqediAfT1biWRrScG32bhWTUut2vazfG0ydd6cMQXnTHnnEW3NcobZ4ccvPU72CifiB2tQylsOliS6eHjeIti3IePn6qm81SgicnTywNLauOR8AFQax18cZjj1Yvkx2l6sixLdehUKTTZqviLow92tQY7zDzQVZPEsrFnYMGXQuj3Mjz3WYsFPovYH2ijBqLKwXos8vSMKiwkF002AqFeAg59jN0S4K)sa6yBHGQ4BhMjhkQHyboEbYh2(I8HSLskWUodB3uwpTS)4Uv4b3Qc8IjjgFdF78iTOR5fu92bbA7DgCcJI6GglNNOLT7U7m3qRtCQN2KhcD3DgJOhkCIKHRVDr7YCY9u4WOqmE2i1V5id76WigPygGNuYHVQgNGb8jXtWfZOeFF0g(Y5rS4))p
thats my route in mdt.

[tired forge]

thanks

i cant imagine doing those pulls with a pug lol

[hardy fractal]

is the spell reflect weak aura supposed to look like this

[cinder storm]

It means you installed it

[slim dove]

def need to assign some kick markers.

otherwise nothing in there is really that dangerous

[cinder storm]

Close weakauras, if you click on the aura it shows you all the reflects

[honest vale]

And make sure people don't kick Cleansing Flame, it does nothing if the person actually kites it.

[mortal brook]

the effect doesnt eat into the budget so free damage is free but the effect is small enough that if you can have a higher ilvl crafted, the crafted will be better

[honest vale]

You actually looted something other than the Beads? Wow. Amazing.

[candid reef]

tyty

[neon elk]

Is it me or does 2nd ruby boss hurt even on fort ?

[honest vale]

Her strikes definitely don't hurt as bad on Fort compared to Tyrannical.

However, misplaced adds are really what hurt the group.

[zinc spruce]

Generally speaking is wowhead accurate about BiS trinkets etc?

and enchants

[neon elk]

Nah im talking about that 4strike or w/e it is

Feels like im getin trucked on fort , compared to other boses

[honest vale]

Yes, but don't just look at the chart of all the items, scroll down and review the tier list of trinkets to get a better image of what to strive toward.

[honest vale]

Shield Block the strikes, but it's the bleed afterward that's hurting you.

[zinc spruce]

okay

[sick sentinel]

too close for me

[honest vale]

Misplaced adds on Kokia means the healer is focusing more on the party and not just your bleed. A well-baited add means kicks are easy, boulders should be baited well, and you'll get more focus in the end.

[sick sentinel]

i got the blaze hoof valor trinket too out of that

[grim grotto]

completed a 18 few minutes ago. 2nd boss hurts, yes.. but just safe a cd. i think spell reflection with 20% dmg reduction helps also on taht 4 stacks

[honest vale]

If you happen to be a dwarf, you can also Racial them away.

[neon elk]

Nah sadly im cow

[grim grotto]

cows are best

[sick sentinel]

got this just now

[lone folio]

Do the fire damage rings do anything for us?

[neon elk]

Bitter imunity doesnt remove bleeds right

[sick sentinel]

getting a good set of on use trinkets to go with all totem

[honest vale]

Nope, poison, disease, and curses.

[sick sentinel]

magic for dark

im like 90% you can do magic effec on dark dwarf

[grim grotto]

on wowhead Ruby Whelp Shell is best trinket from m+. i dont get why. i dont understand taht trinket. i know it can procc different stuff . and maybe its related to the target when we use it. but does someone knows more about it? what target i need? what procc i want?

[sick sentinel]

i.... i duno about that

my time using that trinket is very limited

[quiet crane]

Really sucks it can’t remove a bleed to

[neon elk]

Emeny dmg , self shield, aly heal @grim grotto but iirc its not that great , idk why it is STier on wowhead

[quiet crane]

removes everything else not sure why bleed wouldn’t be one

[sick sentinel]

i want to get that damn versa AV trinket cuz nerd

also want the nokhud weapon, well that too, and then the dps trinket

[grim grotto]

these are my trinkets in my bag now.. i only play m+ for now around 18-20 keys

[honest vale]

If you have a paladin, they can BoP it off, but you would obviously want to be prepped for that.

[grim grotto]

but when the ruby is bad, what trinket would u prefer from my list?

[sick sentinel]

a good paladin in your pocket with a brain and on your side is retardedly over powered

they can do so much dum stuff

[limber flame]

ruby pretty good for m+

[grim grotto]

why and how

[limber flame]

shockwave on multiple enemies? its like 2-3rd highest simming trinket on 5+ targets i think

[grim grotto]

i think u mean a different trinket

ruby is the welp with random stuff

[sick sentinel]

as long as you have enough rubies

[limber flame]

rumbling ruby

my b

[honest vale]

https://giphy.com/gifs/becausescience-nerdist-kyle-hill-because-science-1mijrEmf1zR066jS4Z

All the rupies!

Oh! Rubies.

[unique shale]

so best stats are now cirt and vers ?????

[sick sentinel]

its an old dead meme now, but my pfp is "lamp oil rope bombs you want it as long as you have enough rubies" meme

[limber flame]

crit haste

[honest vale]

Haste > Crit = Vers

[unique shale]

why i cannot buy Fierce Illimited Diamond from ah ?

[warm plinth]

You have to get it through a crafting order; it's BoP

[toxic mesa]

you need a crafting order for it

[earnest nymph]

so

does anyone else have shield charge bug out sometimes?

like it goes on CD but does nothing

[warm plinth]

In what way

[unique shale]

oh so is there any tool to remove gems ?

[earnest nymph]

no rage, no shield block uptime, no revenge

[toxic mesa]

yes, but it doesnt happen very often, like once a day for me

[earnest nymph]

it's happened to me 3 times since expansion launch

[warm plinth]

No, putting a gem in a socket that already has a gem will destroy the old gem and socket the new one.

[limber flame]

cant remove gems

[honest vale]

Nope. Gems need to be overwritten, can't extract them.

[limber flame]

they are destroyed

[unique shale]

oh good

[earnest nymph]

it seems to happen to me when there's an elevation difference between me and target

like charging up stairs

[warm plinth]

Are you using it as a closer?

You should really not be using it that way

[earnest nymph]

no

[toxic mesa]

yeah i tried shield charing a bird in nokhud today and nothing happened, just went on cd

[warm plinth]

Not that the bug is a good thing regardless

[sick sentinel]

better to just put in the correct gem the first time or replace it

[earnest nymph]

It happens in melee range too

[warm plinth]

Oh, hmm

Do you have any logs where it might have happened? And have you reported it to Blizzard yet in-game?

Or on the bug report forums

[candid reef]

considering the weapon is upgradeable if it was higher ilvl than crafted weapon with embellishment would it still be worse?

[honest vale]

I feel if the problem were a Z-axis issue, then it would happen more often.

[earnest nymph]

i.e: last boss TJS just now, I pulled the boss down the stairs and pressed shield charge in melee range and nothing happened but it went on CD

[warm plinth]

It's really weird to have a Z axis issue on a spell that doesn't move you as well

[mortal brook]

whichever has the higher ilvl yep

[earnest nymph]

I should have logs yeah, I need to report it

[sick sentinel]

auggghhhh do i have to time 10+'s or just complete

[warm plinth]

For what

[mortal brook]

crafted can 418 tho, can only valor to 415

[sick sentinel]

to get the craft thing

[warm plinth]

You need to do 11s or higher

But no you do not need to time them

[candid reef]

yeah thats true

[warm plinth]

Well, specifically 11-15 for the lower infusion

[sick sentinel]

oh, and so a higher infusion is for 20s

basically

[warm plinth]

Higher infusion is +16 or higher

And I think I mentioned it earlier but you can also get the lower infusion from Heroic raid and the higher infusion from Mythic raid

1 per boss I believe

[sick sentinel]

oh i just love sanguine so much

volcano nothin affix

get out the fire, oh that thing im supposed to do anyway?

[warm plinth]

Remember when we were going to have a mass grip

😢

[unique shale]

life is good

[warm plinth]

That shit is why I don't have an enchant on my weapons yet

They think I'm fuckin rich or something?

[unique shale]

its been month now and prices are high for enchant and gem

[warm plinth]

What's really stupid is that the mats for r3 sophic are only like 20k on my realm

Like why tf is it 100k if the mats are 20k

[honest vale]

I spent 11K on the Sophic Writ version (cheaper option).

[sick sentinel]

as someoone who did enchanting main .... no....

it doesn't work that way

[honest vale]

Can't say it was worth it.

[warm plinth]

Doesn't work what way

[sick sentinel]

you don't just exist and wish enchanting recipes and mats into existance

[warm plinth]

Who said you did

[sick sentinel]

enchanting is giga expensive

[tulip kelp]

Sim says puzzlebox is a big upgrade but its trash yeah

I never use it cause of cast time

[warm plinth]

It's okay but it's annoying to use

And you certainly shouldn't use it if you aren't pressing it

[craggy pilot]

damn pugging raid is weird 😄

[urban portal]

much better to use it in keys than raid

[craggy pilot]

a guy was literally needing on every trinket

[urban portal]

just prepull that shit

[tulip kelp]

I have 389 ruby I'm using over 398 puzzle box yeah

[craggy pilot]

got 2 trinkets from Normal raid while he had 411 Grieftorch 🤣

[earnest nymph]

logs seem to not even show that it was cast at the start of the fight

[warm plinth]

I have no issue with making money from your profession but charging 5x the mats price is ridiculous.

[sick sentinel]

you can make some money back with it, but enchanting is crazy expensive, cuz you cant really auction or vendor greens or blues, but thats nice

[earnest nymph]

I replied to the wrong message @warm plinth

but this was in regards to the bug I'm seeing

[sick sentinel]

it still fills your bags up with a bunch of crap i don't need just like mining

[craggy pilot]

but i got my 2 set 🥳

[unique shale]

i mean you could ask somebody to make it for you but i doubt they won't ask for 20k or more for fee

[honest vale]

Enchants were like 1/5 the price in Shadowlands.

So, I don't think gathering the mats is the issue, or maybe it is.

[median tulip]

all of the professions currently have a high entry cost; it costs quite a bit to get to the point where you can make things people actually want to buy. So you're not paying for the cost of the item, you are also paying for the cost of getting good enough to make it, IYSWIM

[cinder storm]

I tried the build that nome has, don't know if it's in the pins but it's cracked it feels a lot smoother to play for me and I do more dps to boot

[earnest nymph]

does anyone know how to see in warcraft logs if an ability is on cooldown?

like during replay or whatever

[cinder storm]

Buff uptime?

Not on my PC but you can click on the CD and check it's usage through the dungeon, or just use wowanalyzer

[craggy pilot]

normal is easier than i thought

[last mason]

For anyone pugging the raid, how has your loot experience been

[craggy pilot]

just one shotted every single boss

[earnest nymph]

found it

[craggy pilot]

with 0 tank knowledge of the fights

[earnest nymph]

12/29 21:25:15.900 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,Player-57-0D12CD2F,“Danklance-Illidan”,0x512,0x0,Player-57-0D12CD2F,“Danklance-Illidan”,0x512,0x0,199603,“Skull and Crossbones”,0x1,BUFF
12/29 21:25:15.900 SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,Player-57-0D12CD2F,“Danklance-Illidan”,0x512,0x0,0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,315508,“Roll the Bones”,0x1,Player-57-0D12CD2F,0000000000000000,286300,286300,8340,1419,2854,0,3,140,200,25,893.52,-2676.43,429,4.3111,396
12/29 21:25:15.900 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,Player-57-0D12CD2F,“Danklance-Illidan”,0x512,0x0,Player-57-0D12CD2F,“Danklance-Illidan”,0x512,0x0,256171,“Loaded Dice”,0x1,BUFF
12/29 21:25:15.900 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED_DOSE,Player-3676-0DB8CABF,“Abhwar-Area52”,0x511,0x20,Player-3676-0DB8CABF,“Abhwar-Area52”,0x511,0x20,202602,“Into the Fray”,0x1,BUFF,4
12/29 21:25:15.933 SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,Player-3661-0926FB1A,“Simmyd-Hyjal”,0x512,0x0,Creature-0-4229-960-31425-56439-00002E49AA,“Sha of Doubt”,0x10a48,0x0,394927,“Light of Creation”,0x40,Creature-0-4229-960-31425-56439-00002E49AA,0000000000000000,13928242,14252582,0,0,5043,0,0,23163,23163,0,894.74,-2675.71,429,1.1903,72,65612,65612,-1,64,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
–
####### CAST ATTEMPT #######
####### CAST ATTEMPT #######
12/29 21:25:15.946 SPELL_CAST_FAILED,Player-3676-0DB8CABF,“Abhwar-Area52”,0x511,0x20,0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,385953,“Shield Charge”,0x1,“No path available”
12/29 21:25:15.946 SPELL_CAST_FAILED,Player-3676-0DB8CABF,“Abhwar-Area52”,0x511,0x20,0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,385952,“Shield Charge”,0x1,“No path available”
####### CAST ATTEMPT END #######
####### CAST ATTEMPT END #######
–
12/29 21:25:15.963 SWING_DAMAGE,Player-57-0D12CD2F,“Danklance-Illidan”,0x512,0x0,Creature-0-4229-960-31425-56439-00002E49AA,“Sha of Doubt”,0x10a48,0x0,Player-57-0D12CD2F,0000000000000000,286300,286300,8340,1419,2854,0,3,117,200,0,893.18,-2676.23,429,4.2012,396,2378,1545,-1,1,0,0,0,1,nil,nil
12/29 21:25:15.963 SWING_DAMAGE_LANDED,Player-57-0D12CD2F,“Danklance-Illidan”,0x512,0x0,Creature-0-4229-960-31425-56439-00002E49AA,“Sha of Doubt”,0x10a48,0x0,Creature-0-4229-960-31425-56439-00002E49AA,0000000000000000,13925864,14252582,0,0,5043,0,0,23163,23163,0,894.85,-2675.43,429,1.1903,72,2378,1545,-1,1,0,0,0,1,nil,nil
12/29 21:25:15.963 SPELL_DAMAGE,Player-57-0D12CD2F,“Danklance-Illidan”,0x512,0x0,Creature-0-4229-960-31425-56439-00002E49AA,“Sha of Doubt”,0x10a48,0x0,315585,“Instant Poison”,0x8,Creature-0-4229-960-31425-56439-00002E49AA,0000000000000000,13924773,14252582,0,0,5043,0,0,23163,23163,0,894.85,-2675.43,429,1.1903,72,1091,545,-1,8,0,0,0,1,nil,nil
–
####### SPELL ON CD #######
####### SPELL ON CD #######
12/29 21:25:15.979 SPELL_CAST_FAILED,Player-3676-0DB8CABF,“Abhwar-Area52”,0x511,0x20,0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,385952,“Shield Charge”,0x1,“Not yet recovered”
–
12/29 21:25:15.979 SPELL_ENERGIZE,Player-57-0D12CD2F,“Danklance-Illidan”,0x512,0x0,Player-57-0D12CD2F,“Danklance-Illidan”,0x512,0x0,35546,“Fatal Flourish”,0x1,Player-57-0D12CD2F,0000000000000000,286300,286300,8340,1419,2854,0,3,128,200,0,893.01,-2676.13,429,4.2012,396,10.0000,0.0000,3,200```

@warm plinth

[jolly wasp]

I was wondering if we assume no ilvl difference if the fire dmg ring from the raid outperforms the auto attack one from CoS when wearing the crafted belt that does fire dmg

[earnest nymph]

right at the start, no path available, but still cast and still went on CD

[cinder storm]

I'm tempted

[earnest nymph]

reporting bug now

[craggy pilot]

had giga co-tank

who told me everything tho 😄

was asking him every boss "how many stacks to i swap?"

and then we just had massive healers and dps

it was insane grp tbh

[last mason]

For anyone pugging the raid how has your loot experience been compared to SL

[honest vale]

But did you get Manuscript?

[unique shale]

i want to ask this once again is there spreadsheet for deflectable cast for dragonflight dung and raid ?

[cinder storm]

Pins

[honest vale]

I don't think the loot experience is limited to raids. I mean, yes, it's not personal, but my god this RNG is bad.

[craggy pilot]

[honest vale]

I miss BFA.

[cinder storm]

Same

[jolly wasp]

loot is absolute shit compared to personal unless you're a dps and get funneled

[last mason]

So you hardly get any

[jolly wasp]

pug or guild premade it's still shit

[unique shale]

how do you guys deal with Jade Serpent Kick its always kills me or fucking hurt as fuck

[jolly wasp]

I am still at 2p out of 4 cause loot council would rather give pieces to alts than let me get my 4p

[honest vale]

Roll defensives. @unique shale

And you always want SB up for it.

[last mason]

Is it worth trying to pug the raid at all then

[unique shale]

i heard you can dodge if you time a jump

[craggy pilot]

Dstance + Spell Reflect

[last mason]

Since I feel like people will just need on everything

[jolly wasp]

@last mason if you only care about your own personal gains and not raid in a guild then pugging is actually better

at least you can just need shit

[unique shale]

if it goes for 4th Jade Serpent Kick i am for sure dead since i am out of defensives

[honest vale]

Oh sorry, the kick is just move your ass.

I thought you were talking about the Strike.

[craggy pilot]

yea you walk out after the Strike

[unique shale]

yeah i know but the dot hurt as fuck

[craggy pilot]

the healer needs to top you

[honest vale]

The dot isn't from the Kick, that's the Strike.

[cinder storm]

Aegis and spellblock helps

[last mason]

I don’t give a shit about other peoples gains since I’m pugging, but people can literally just win all the loot that drops from a given boss right

[unique shale]

i mean talking about ph2 when she kick you and you have to move out after it

[honest vale]

Block the initial hit so you don't get hurt as much.

[unique shale]

that dot in ph2 is hell of pain and if it goes for 4th time i am dead

[last mason]

So you need to compete against 20 other people rolling need

[cinder storm]

You have shield wall

[last mason]

Every time

[jolly wasp]

@unique shale what you wanna do for that dot is have fully stacked IP up, use spell reflect for the 20% magic DR of the dot, use impending victory right after the dot has been applied, and use a defensive everytime so first one you use like shield wall, the one after you use last stand + healt pot, then for the one after you have ur impending victory back again

[cinder storm]

And external

[honest vale]

And you should always have Shield Block active for each.

[unique shale]

oh good to know so i will tell healer about it to top up hard during that ph

[jolly wasp]

well you should have shield block up 100% of the time in anything you tank

[honest vale]

And tank her on a wall.

[jolly wasp]

not really you can only need stuff you can actually use

[dawn vault]

hey guys, should i use my first concentrated primal infusion on lariat or shield?

[honest vale]

Shield.

[jolly wasp]

depends on what you have

[honest vale]

Probably shield, but "depends" is also true.

[jolly wasp]

if you already have a 415 shield from the first boss for example i'd rather craft other stuff

[dawn vault]

nah, they're both 405

[dawn vault]

i was leaning this way tbf

[honest vale]

More value in the shield imo.

You'll craft Lariat eventually anyway, so I'd do shield > weapon > lariat (but this is just me).

[jolly wasp]

I'd probably do shield too if the choice is only between those at the same ilvl

[earnest nymph]

alright @warm plinth @toxic mesa https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/shield-charge-somtimes-goes-on-cooldown-when-theres-no-path-available-to-the-target/1468169

[honest vale]

I also already have a 408 neck, so shield and weapon are the biggest upgrades for me.

[earnest nymph]

I think I found enough proof of the bug in that post

[limber flame]

418 wep today and 418 lariat, we up baby

[dawn vault]

fair, ty and ty @jolly wasp gnna probs go with shield then lariat when i get another one, weapon down the line lol

[honest vale]

Awe, hell yeah! @limber flame

[jolly wasp]

personally I went for 418 belt and 418 boots for my craft as I have 415 weap and 415 shield from raid

[limber flame]

spamming 16-17 keys lol

[jolly wasp]

also got the 415 versa haste neck from terros so lariat is not a concern

[warm plinth]

That's a fantastic post sir. Well done. Hopefully they figure it out soon.

[earnest nymph]

same, it's happened to me a few times now and it's annoying haha

[jolly wasp]

uh that never happened to me tbh

prolly cause I use it during the opener for burst dmg mostly and not as an actual charge lol

[warm plinth]

He didn't use it as a charge in that scenario

He used it in melee range

[warm plinth]

Can I ask where you got the info that you posted?

[clever heart]

Which dungeons have the most dangerous spell casters that target the tank ? I am wondering when should we use Spell block talent vs Tough as Nails talent.

[jolly wasp]

right after pulling I thought he meant he tried to use it on the boss while it was still upstairs

[warm plinth]

TJS, RLP, and high tyrannical HoV are the ones you want Spell Block for.

They're also good candidates for the 2 charges of Shield Wall talent

[clever heart]

wow ty ! u made that so simple.
for tjs + rlp would you still use spell block on tyranical weeks ?

[jolly wasp]

good luck tanking high tyrannical RLP without spell block

[earnest nymph]

I opened up the combat log file in a text editor and started from the first line that contained Sha of Doubt and went from there

[warm plinth]

yes

[clever heart]

TY ❤️

[warm plinth]

Oh okay, cool. i didn't know all that info was there! Very informative. Thank you.

[earnest nymph]

any time!

[eternal marsh]

does getting 2pc make us cast revenge more?

[warm plinth]

No

[tulip kelp]

Anyone know offhand how much % the last two guys are before last boss in nokhud?

[warm plinth]

Proper gameplay should have the 2pc up a huge majority of the time as it is.

[tulip kelp]

5% right?

[warm plinth]

5.5%, 32 force count

[sick current]

Hi fellow protection warriors, I've made the jump and quit my 402 iLVL 2230 m+ warrior to all-in my new warrior (level 68). Any good website/source for me to learn the best gear, enchants etc?

[honest vale]

Wowhead or Icy-Veins will get you started.

[sick current]

Will it show what to spend my sparks on, etc?

[honest vale]

Sparks are Shield > Weapon > Lariat

[sick current]

I am also going to buy the 2 400+ pieces and the haste ring to jump start my character as I am fully finished with druid

Thank you sir!

[honest vale]

Unless you have access to a high ilvl shield/weapon/neck, then craft something else.

[warm plinth]

I'm very confused; you dumped a 402 ilevel warrior to make a new warrior?

[sick current]

err sorry guardian druid----

[warm plinth]

Oh that makes way more sense lmao

[sick current]

no idea why I said warrior lol.. sorry >.>

[warm plinth]

I was like wait what

[honest vale]

I didn't even question that. I was like, "You do you, boo." 🤣

[warm plinth]

I say that as the guy who has a toon for every spec

👀

[sick current]

I did my last academy today, then went to youtube to sulk in my sadness to see how a warrior does the same +16

[honest vale]

There was one guy in Wrath that would play a paladin to level 80, delete it, then do it again.

[sick current]

and i cried a little bit then decided to make the "heroic" leap 😉

[warm plinth]

The stormforged in here, DesMephisto, has like 50+ warriors iirc

[honest vale]

That's good.

[warm plinth]

I see what you did there

[honest vale]

Literally none of the builds on the Wowhead guide say to take Spell Block for TJS.

[sick sentinel]

TJS and RLP

those are the 2 that are confirmed to take it

[pallid quiver]

I mean, last I checked, Llarold's builds are meant as just an introduction to the class, not really any major specialization.

But yeah, on meaningful keys it helps you live against Dark Claw/Haunting Gaze/Jade Serpent Strike, among many other things in there

Because high damage magic that is blockable is very frequent in that dungeon, so the survival gain is usually worth the cost of giving up Spikes

[sick sentinel]

i'll just apply meta to keys i do

[clever heart]

as prot warrior in m+ is there ever a reason to use slam or whirlwind ?

[sick sentinel]

no

never

[clever heart]

thats wat i thought

[pallid quiver]

Never anywhere

[sick sentinel]

remove them from action bars and forget they exist

[pallid quiver]

Except Torghast if you go there for some reason

[sick sentinel]

literal zero case to ever use either

[limber flame]

ye, in aoe use revenge and thunderclap

[pallid quiver]

Revenge does more damage base than Slam in ST, too, so

[sick sentinel]

ravager or shield charge too

if they are up

[sick current]

ugh there is just something so great about a warrior loll

being able to stand my ground

[cursive temple]

but bears are nice too

I was thinking to lvl it up as an alt, hesitating between bdk and bear

[full venture]

how bad is it to have two use trinkets? i have Blazebinders hoof but also just got Decoration of flame from heroic

the 20 sec CD that it puts seems kinda shit

[warm plinth]

It's fine

[sterile bough]

it feels absolutly fine

[full venture]

so use hoof on pull and then Dec when CD is done

[sterile bough]

just use on cd

both

personally I hate hoof casue it doesnt line up with cds

[sick current]

the problem with bear (i only do m+ really, no raids) is that you are constantly running around and kiting in the higher keys. I can't do a +17 this week without running around on every pull

i don't like proactive healing which the bear requires

[cursive temple]

you can just use them on different pulls. One after another. It's fine

[sick current]

I would rather hold my ground like wonder woman and take minimal damage :3

[sterile bough]

life not so beatufil sadly

[sick current]

it's just so insane watching vods of warriors doing keys then doing the same keys on my bear, so chaotic as bear

[cursive temple]

but u have giga dam with incarn, which is fun

[sick current]

annnnd our cd's are literally 45 seconds, all of them lol

for bear, but its not worth!

[sterile bough]

taht could be true if u werent pulling 3 mobs anyway casue they are gonna kill whole party

[cursive temple]

all plants in AA for the dam baby Pog

[sick current]

just use a shocking disclosure pot and call it a day :))

[sterile bough]

aa is the only place with medium size pulls

and in hov u have some

but most of these pulls dont deal dmg anyway to the tank

atleast to a prot warrior

[sick current]

trust me, a bear druid takes a LOT

[sterile bough]

[sick current]

bears and bdk's, their hp yoyo-s

[hidden axle]

where should i be tanking heroic raz

[sick current]

but they have proactive heals

[hidden axle]

someone told me she parrys if fascing ra id

[sterile bough]

so do prot warrior if u dont play correcly

[sick current]

correct, but IF you play a guardian druid correctly.... you still take the damage lol

[sterile bough]

1 cast and u are dead on warrior if u dont prepare for it

[cursive temple]

so BDK it is, but this HP bar jumping gives me heart attacks

[sick current]

me too! i hate the hp bar jumps

[sterile bough]

well not a bear player cant speak on that

but look this

looks fun

how do u deal even with that spell on a bear

without spell refelct

[cursive temple]

532k, seems normal

[sterile bough]

e yo bro count the healing

its over 700k

😔

[cursive temple]

I got smacked in TJS by sha once as well

[sterile bough]

ye u dont press defensive on one csat

u dead

tanking is so unfun this expansion

bring me back big pulls

[cursive temple]

Every season 1 is like that, I guess

[full venture]

SL tanking was garbage

kiting with VDH was not fun

[sterile bough]

s2 s3 were fun to tank

[cursive temple]

I was prot pala in SL, this was stressful as hell. Season 1 kite meta was

[full venture]

bunny hoping

[ocean finch]

I love tanking this expac

[sterile bough]

didnt play s1 sl but I heard it was running awawy fiesta

[full venture]

yep

[cursive temple]

The only thing I don't like about tanking in DF is that you just watch your grp die while taking no damage

[full venture]

pull big and just hop around with vdh

[past ginkgo]

Is there a threat meter that works?

[sterile bough]

use feeling I guess

but I guess there is casue my friend told me today in key sth along the lines " I have 55% threat so I'll stop dps"

[cursive temple]

wut

is it WotLK or something

[craggy pilot]

Hope he's trolling 😂

[past ginkgo]

I keep ripping threat off my co tank in raid somehow and end up with more stacks of bad things than I want.

[sterile bough]

prot warrior agro at the start of issue is fucking pain

[sterile bough]

not as prot warrior bruh

legit 0 threat

[sick sentinel]

he could be holding some giant cd and then hit it and rip aggro

[cursive temple]

same, my co-tank is vdh and I keep getting aggro for no reason

[sterile bough]

it was when I was pulling a pack

[warm plinth]

He knows he needs 110% threat before he peels off you right

[sick sentinel]

if i can trust it not to pull bosses again mypight try titanic throw

seems useful maybe

[warm plinth]

Weird to even mention 55%

[sterile bough]

when the mobs were only thunder clapped

who knows

[sick sentinel]

is he doing dps while you have aggro

wonder if he just sits there not foing rotation on boss while u have it

[quartz briar]

This happened today with tanks who's melee were top damage and doing less than half my dmg

[lone eagle]

On bear I'm struggling to not rip at all times

great fun

[proud dock]

i heard we take intervene for HoV fenyr, but wat mechnic do we use intervne on?

[slim dove]

iirc its scent of blood.

His fixate mechanic.

[sick current]

can we handle the 5 wolves before fenryr phase 2 easy as a warrior?

those things ate my druid this week on +17

[median tulip]

my co-tank is a bear. We have aggro games.

[sick current]

MALAKKAR ITS ME FROM THE BEAR DISCORD OMG!!!!

Hiiiiii

[sick current]

!

[wooden widget]

What is this? A crossover episode?

[sick current]

lol!! I am switching mains, i... how do I say this... this I love warrior

[wooden widget]

You say it by shield slamming!

[sick current]

im doing a lot of tht!!!

[steady steppe]

anyone know what level dungeon i have to do both weeks for ksm?

[sick current]

really though, its a class i never touched in my 16 years of playing this game. ive touched it now, and I can not stop. i was a bear druid

[sick sentinel]

🍣

Layla is cheating on Bear

[steady steppe]

like 12 or 13 both weeks

[cursive temple]

bear traitor

[brisk gust]

Which trinkets are you lads going for?

[sick current]

i can 't bear to play my bear anymore

[brisk gust]

I'm useing 2 raid trinkets atm

[sick current]

sorry i have a lot of dad jokes (even though im a mom) l0l0l

[cursive temple]

1st boss trinket and stone from CoS

[sick sentinel]

nvm you can keep her

[cursive temple]

But I want boon

[warm plinth]

The Earth is approximately 70% covered in water, and that water is not carbonated. That means the Earth is technically flat. ba-dum-tiss

[sick current]

I like it!!! Ghash

[warm plinth]

I have a bunch of them and they get progressively worse.

[cursive temple]

How do I convince my raid leader to give me Boon instead of DPS? 🤔

[warm plinth]

😂

[zealous grove]

How good is 4pc tier for M+? I feel like it would be good just for keeping "stacks" of IP rolling, is that the case or nah?

[heady gyro]

What is our haste cap?

[modern brook]

much

[heady gyro]

I heard it was 25% but not sure if they were right?

[modern brook]

dr starts being a concern at 40 raw, but you're not hitting 40

[frozen rose]

Anyone find zephyr slam a little weird? I typically have to take 3-4x stacks, which is fine because I charge back right away. For the first time just now I got punted at high stack, charged right away, but it didn’t do anything and I went flying. Any tips? A little buggy?

[warm plinth]

There is no haste cap. GCD stops reducing at 100% but you're not realistically ever going to hit that.

I don't even know where the 25% number would come from

[cursive temple]

Try not going more than 3

[heady gyro]

okay that's what I thought. someone be crazy over in Nerftanks twitch chat

[warm plinth]

Love how people just pull shit out of their ass and pass it as fact

[frozen rose]

@cursive temple you think getting hit with 4x is impossible to charge back? Prob means players up at platform were too delayed huh

[frigid dragon]

i preface this by saying i am not smart. anyone know why i wasnt able to roll need on this?

[warm plinth]

Do you already have one?

[frigid dragon]

negative

[warm plinth]

Then I have no idea. It's an all spec trinket afaik

[faint sequoia]

is a protection warrior any good?

[foggy fractal]

Yeah

Best general tank overall atm

[faint sequoia]

how is it compared to fury?

[lofty fjord]

I think there are 2 hits to the knockback in dathea

When i was tanking with my dh, i used 2 of my charges because the first one knocks me back again

[grave flower]

what gems do we want in lariat on prot?

[unique shale]

tell me you are poor without telling me you are. i go first ( talking about gem slots )

[warm plinth]

main stat/haste and then either haste/crit or haste/vers depending on your preference

You can run crit/haste or vers/haste if you want it to proc haste instead of crit/vers

[faint sequoia]

how is it compared to a fury warrior

[warm plinth]

One is a tank, the other is not

[foggy fractal]

What are you comparing

They’re two different roles

[cursive temple]

it is possible, but pushback becomes strong, so you might charge + leap 4th stack

[faint sequoia]

like damage wise

[foggy fractal]

Fury does more damage but it’s a damage spec

Prot is a tank spec but still does good dmg

[faint sequoia]

i see

[warm plinth]

Tanks shouldn't ever do more damage than any DPS spec. It can and does happen but it's more of a player issue on the DPS's part than the tank spec fundamentally doing more damage than the DPS spec.

[urban portal]

^

[rose pilot]

Sophic or frozen for M+?

[urban portal]

well there are exceptions like windwalker i guess

[warm plinth]

You can sim

[unique shale]

shadowland warrior wanna talk with you XD

[urban portal]

their ST is so bad that tanks can outpace them

[quartz briar]

My normal primal earlier

[unique shale]

[cursive temple]

51k as fury on 4 targets seems

[quartz briar]

Gave him a bunch of shit for it since it was a shit show with marks

[lone eagle]

We've developed a metric for "how are DPS doing" on trials

and we call it the Mungbaldo metric

[deft socket]

Strike twice vs 1h sword with fang embellishment?

[stable valve]

y'all able to sit in bstance for solo tank p1 diurna while doing the staff?

[lone eagle]

if the DPS can beat my bear, Mungbaldo, consistently, they are considered

[sand pebble]

Agree 100%, bad dps vs bad pway

[lone eagle]

It is a hard trial, but a fair trial

[cursive temple]

56k on 4 targets as 400 ilvl dps should be ez 🤔

oh, it's eranog, nvm

[unique shale]

i would have left key if i saw less than 30k dps

[cursive temple]

toxic

[quartz briar]

It feels like top 10% have just absolutely insane jumps on damage for all tanks

Like 90 parse is 25k or something and top parse is 60k

Is there something besides kill time/ilvl that is causing this

[unique shale]

dude i not ageist boosting bad people but when those bad people don't wanna put in effort i won't tolerated it

[edgy grail]

Yes early raids still

[quartz briar]

Or are people just that much better at pressing buttons

[edgy grail]

No gear, timings not a lot if parses in general

[cursive temple]

True

[foggy fractal]

Yeah it’s a thing with DPS specs also, a 99 log and the 100 log can be farrr apart on some fights

[lone eagle]

A huge portion of tanks don't care about their damage and see tank damage as a meme

[warm plinth]

Generally if there are huge differences, assuming similar kill times, it's either because they're getting fed buffs or they're being enabled to pad somewhere.

[edgy grail]

It’s pretty normal to see big jumps when the sample size is small

[unique shale]

[foggy fractal]

Tank damage is a meme until you realise you have single digit parses and your guild starts sending you hate mail

[edgy grail]

“Huge portion” seems like a massive exaggeration, especially in mythic

[lone eagle]

Out of all my cotanks over the years

I can think of 1 who actually cared about tank damage

[edgy grail]

What rank have you raided at?

[lone eagle]

Otherwise, its usually me

[quartz briar]

I definitely hear a lot of "well I lived didn't i"

[lone eagle]

US 150-300 for ~7 years or so

[foggy fractal]

They do have a point

[lone eagle]

Don't care to go further as time investment is gross

[foggy fractal]

[unique shale]

thats for 5-10 sec of boss mechanics

[sand pebble]

Its more apparent on reclears, you cant really 'survive more' so the dps game keeps it interesting

[edgy grail]

Idk hasn’t been my experience in about the same rank US 100-150

[cursive temple]

I cared about dmg until I started pulling threat from my co-tank

[lone eagle]

some tanks "care about tank damage" but then blue parse

which is its own problem

[unique shale]

lol t hats happened to me alot

[cursive temple]

I know, but then I'm getting hate on Terros for cleaving the raid with tank smash, because I pulled aggro right before it

[lone eagle]

Yeah, cotank is a VDH who is back to pulling decent damage now that he has a weapon

[unique shale]

sound like co-tank problem not doing enough dps

[lone eagle]

but VDH and bear gap is pretty large right now

to the tune of ~20% dps single target

[quartz briar]

I think a lot of tanks this tier get to min max a lot more than in the past. Looking at VDH specifically, the difference between living and pressing all your buttons and actually making sure you have high frailty stacks for the hunt and that you're using your fiery brands windows for damage is nuts

[lone eagle]

so I'm routinely almost ripping from him constantly

[cursive temple]

[lone eagle]

Doesn't help that the game gave me Grieftorch in my first vault

[sand pebble]

Grieftorch is so op

[lofty fjord]

My 370 ilevel prot warrior is tanking better than my 390 ilevel vdh

[sand pebble]

I got a 411 out of weekly

[quartz briar]

Lfr is top 7 trinket of all 421 trinkets

[lone eagle]

The only thing I've felt surprisingly sturdier on instead of my pwar

[cursive temple]

So now I'm not doing any dps, playing dstance 100% of the fight because raid blames me for cleaving them

[lone eagle]

is bears with the battleaxes in Algethar

I felt sturdier into the battleaxes on my bear on a 20 than on my pwar alt in a 16, and I was spamming IP and slamming defensives

Was very confused

Could have been bad healer attention but that bleed is nasty

[unique shale]

i cannot play vdh tbh its too squishy compering to face tanking warrior

[cursive temple]

Play Dwarf

[lone eagle]

Considering it tbh

That bleed made me reconsider how important having my warr in guild was

[unique shale]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

race min/maxing

bruh

[cursive temple]

Just get your dragon buddy to heal you and remove the bleed

[lone eagle]

Can Blizzard give Nightborne some real racials

Tired of all the great racials being on alliance side these days

Arcane Torrent is nice, I guess, and HMT charge

but thats about it

Mag'har, Nightborne are a travesty

[unique shale]

well ally is dead so they have to do something about it

[lone eagle]

Zandalari are okay

And yet 60% of M+ groups I apply to are alliance these days

[unique shale]

faction damage is done even new players going horde because their friends are there

[lone eagle]

I know because I go to whisper them S3 Cryptic Hero and then get "x doesn't exist" or w/e

[unique shale]

na or eu ?

[lone eagle]

NA

Just anecdotal

But I swear every group lead is Alliance

[unique shale]

oh its horde dominated in eu

[lone eagle]

NA Horde is dominant in the high end raiding scene

I believe that overall pop wise the factions are pretty close still

[unique shale]

It could be because of asmongold as well btw XD

😂

[lone eagle]

and there were a ton of ally swaps in S3/S4 for Dwarf racial

people probably didn't bother swapping back alts etc

Personally, I'm a Draenei enjoyer

https://tenor.com/view/draenei-draenei-tunak-gif-21325917

[unique shale]

I mean tbh at end of day play race you enjoy

once i changed to dwarf

my man i could it play it anymore it was so ugly

[lone eagle]

Regular dwarf ugly

Dark Iron is dope

[unique shale]

but short

[lone eagle]

Kul'tiran Druid is dope

[unique shale]

that why i am Kul'tiran

[lone eagle]

but we have enough ally that I'd rather keep my bear Horde to make sure we have 16 for mythic guild achieves

[unique shale]

bug boy

with big belly

enough fat to hold attacks

XD

[compact jackal]

based

[lone eagle]

Like my monk/warrior/paladin/dk built like fridges

male draenei is based

[unique shale]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-zyzz-zyzz-yes-bodybuilder-gif-23904689

[wide dragon]

ok, am I tripping or was there a talent that made shield wall a raid cd?

[mortal brook]

removed as a talent

[wide dragon]

😦

[mortal brook]

and or shadowlands leggo

[wide dragon]

and we dont get die by the sword....#buffprotwarrior

[steady steppe]

lol what?

same trinks but in different order different dps

[quartz briar]

30 is just a side grade. That's a sim dif

[steady steppe]

yea i realized now

idk why it even bothers to sim the same trinkets in different slots tho sounds stupid to me

[quartz briar]

Probably uses trinket 13 first then 20 seconds later uses trinket 14 for double on use

So it tries both orders

[unique shale]

using box as prot war my man

[steady steppe]

literally everyone here is preaching puzzle box

[quartz briar]

It might be good

[fast knot]

I just have a preset with Aegis and spellblock for Temple

[quartz briar]

But like, it sucks

[unique shale]

is it give mastery ?

[steady steppe]

yes like 3k mast

[fast knot]

probably not worth on fort weeks but I'd rather make that last pack as smooth as possible

[warm plinth]

who here is preaching puzzle box

[fast knot]

mastery gamers

[unique shale]

i don't know but i wouldn't use it for m+ since downtime to use it can one shot you in middle of pack

[warm plinth]

like can you name one person

[fast knot]

I'd rather be a spinnyboy and do max dam on AoE

Or in this week's case I hit the keybind on accident and become one with the sanguine

[warm plinth]

Man speaking of sanguine, I did some keys on my frost mage last night and it's interesting how you can both help and hinder your group at the same time with that spec during sanguine week.

Me blast waving mobs out of sanguine, half the pack staying in sanguine because they were randomly frozen 😂

[fast knot]

Spear gives and Spear taketh it seems this week

save my ranged dps when I have to play Fury in Halls from the wolves

otherwise it's a blood bath for them

[warm plinth]

I miss the Legion strat for the wolves

[limber python]

how do i

[mortal brook]

omnomnom

those are very synced

[urban portal]

did you get one shot from 92%

[warm plinth]

Have you tried not getting hit by 19 lashers at the exact same time 4Head

I'm so bored that I actually counted them

[arctic marten]

Can't block while stunned. It was over before it started

[fallow osprey]

I’m confused about how to handle the SBG packs immediately following first and second boss. Do I …not interrupt their domination cast? It always feels very hectic

[mellow quartz]

did you wall?

[mortal brook]

if you dont interrupt their dominates on the skeles, they just keep channeling and do nothing to you

i interrupt the far one so it can be grouped tho tbh

[limber python]

u only get 1 wall

[mortal brook]

for the dammies

[fallow osprey]

Ok thanks

[mellow quartz]

not if you spec for 2 walls

[limber python]

how do i do that

[mellow quartz]

the talent?

[limber python]

wa

[mellow quartz]

defenders aegis

[mortal brook]

and then the tankadin throws out a divine toll and interrupts the rest but that's life

[warm plinth]

Shield Wall is not usable while stunned though 🤔

[urban portal]

pre use it

[mellow quartz]

oh he was stunned by thundering

didnt even see that

[mortal brook]

problem is more that all the things are synced from whatever aoe disrupt happened.

[fallow osprey]

Sir this is a pwarr discord there are no tankadins in my group

[mortal brook]

along with the stun

[fallow osprey]

Strict policy

[warm plinth]

Just another reason why tanks should always be part of the 3 group for thundering

[mellow quartz]

no wonder he died then during stun

[mortal brook]

you dont bring your cotank to the dungeon run? are you even friends?

[warm plinth]

Steve are you still playing co-tank bear in keys lol

[fallow osprey]

well i suppose I didn’t think of it that way

[mortal brook]

[warm plinth]

You don't deserve her you know

[fallow osprey]

lol

[mortal brook]

@stark rain pls confirm

[warm plinth]

I love the enhance shaman's name

[mortal brook]

panda

[warm plinth]

I have a panda DK named Beartoes

And a panda rogue named Chubbymurder (admittedly that one is kinda low effort)

[mellow quartz]

I just tried playing a key without double wall

cant say how much I despise that

[cursive temple]

Double wall is for pussies

[mortal brook]

prob a better way to say that

[warm plinth]

I prefer weaklings, cowards, unworthies

I'm just kidding though. I love everyone

[slim dove]

i did just smbg and noticed the dominated mobs were ignoring aggro and just running around aimlessly bonking people

idk if thats new, didn't notice it last week

[mellow quartz]

nah they dont ignore aggro

as long as you have aggro on the guy who channels

the little mob will be on you

the little guy can appear to have aggro on you but if his channeling daddy doesn't he will not either, depite what his nameplate might look like

[fallow osprey]

On the way to first boss in TOJS we want to tank the water elementals near corners so ppl can los the aoe right?

[warm plinth]

Yes, but that doesn't mean they will

Though tbf, it's not really a necessity at current key levels I don't believe.

[mortal brook]

Won't hurt to give them the option but it is a quick cast

[fallow osprey]

It’s a 1.5s cast seems almost unreasonable lol

[warm plinth]

Yeah you can do it if you're quick but you need it to be really close to the corner realistically

[fallow osprey]

I feel like those pulls are the worst for party damage in the whole dungeon

[warm plinth]

I can los it pretty easily on my rogue because I have the extended melee range

[slim dove]

ohh k i need aggro on the dude channeling

[warm plinth]

So I can be really close to the corner easiily

[slim dove]

ty ty

[warm plinth]

easily*

[pallid quiver]

Simply tell the DPS to use ground targetted casts that bypass LOS

[mellow quartz]

everyone should have spell cds on nameplates and can see when its abt to cast

[fallow osprey]

Er…ok I don’t have that is it a plater mod

[mellow quartz]

it's a weakaura

https://wago.io/CooldownsOnNameplate

[fallow osprey]

Nice thank you

[warm plinth]

@warm plinth mentioning myself so I can find this easier later

[woven radish]

Best weapon enchant? Mostly mythic plus. Conflicting info on every guide I see... leaning towards frozen devotion for damage... or do I still go sophic for raw stat?

[mellow quartz]

Frozen is good

[errant ivy]

anyone know the best thing to use my 3rd spark on? i've got lariat and engineering head piece

is there a specific weapon or embellishment thats good, mainly focused on m+?

[edgy grail]

Weapon and Shield are both good

[mellow quartz]

If you have that you can do the belt

[sand pebble]

Im using neck belt

Just fiund out food one doesnt count towards limit so ill chuck that on weap imo

[mellow quartz]

Yep

[sand pebble]

I deleted fang from it and made belt this week

[cursive temple]

Belt>fang? or is it just for fire dmg?

[sand pebble]

Belt does more damage overall, not much but its worth it - i coukdnt find a better belt so i made it

[cursive temple]

Then gl finding Strike Twice in the vault

[cinder storm]

Imagine if strike twice actually striked twice

[warm plinth]

You can always sim for that btw

[fallow osprey]

anyone familiar with dorkis !marker macro? he mentioned it in a note for a route he posted regarding the skip to final boss in NO, but idk what he’s referencing

[storm lily]

Yo I want to learn Prot, when tanking should I just use both charges of shield block? Idk if they stack duration or not

[ionic fern]

They stack up to 3x duration.

[fathom goblet]

Is prot warrior gcd lock ?

[unique shale]

if you are active tanking yes

[prisma crane]

yes very

[tropic star]

thunderous blast spell blockable?

[fathom goblet]

I feel sometimes I don’t have rage and I don’t have TC or SL

[storm lily]

cool, back then you couldn't do that, right?

[unique shale]

still you could with lego

[warm plinth]

It's my opinion that it's a bad habit to get into to use your Shield Block charges together. It's easy to waste duration e.g. if you were to double tap them on a trash mob and then it dies before the time runs out.

[unique shale]

also bare this in mind if you are taking magic damage just spam ignore pain

[ionic fern]

Sounds like bad priority.

[warm plinth]

It's not necessarily an issue right now with our current talents but it could cause you to have issues if anything were to change on that front.

[fathom goblet]

What do you mean ?

[unique shale]

he mean bad rage management

[unique shale]

its also happens with low haste

[tropic star]

thunderous blast on razageth

[ionic fern]

Same sheet

Go check.

[fathom goblet]

I’m at 390ilvl with 15% haste

[tropic star]

im staring at it

it has a ?

[ionic fern]

Okay

Next step

Open up warcraftlogs.

[tropic star]

im on log 3

[ionic fern]

And?

[tropic star]

no one has tried yet

[warm plinth]

Depends on what you mean by back then but you've been able to stack shield block duration since like MoP or WoD

[ionic fern]

Did you filter by spellID?

[tropic star]

so i got tired of picking randomly and figured id ask here

sounds like that was a bad idea

ill fuckoff and you have a good night

[ionic fern]

I mean..i'm trying to help you by teaching you where the relevant information is.

People nowadays just want a answer..instead of the solution

Smh.

[storm lily]

wut?????? By back then I meant Legion!!!

[unique shale]

low haste i suggest using heavy repercussions for now to make it easier for yourself

[warm plinth]

You could 100% stack shield block duration in Legion. That's the expansion where they capped the extension to 3x its duration.

[storm lily]

god I feel dumb

[tropic star]

nah im tired and was already doingh what wyou were suggesting, i handled poorly.

[ionic fern]

I'd check the logs myself but for some reason wlogs is giving me the error "Something went wrong".

[fathom goblet]

I have

[civic junco]

Is there a certain amount of haste we want to target for before we dip all in on verse/critt?

[unique shale]

ilvl for ring and neckless it doesn't matter so if you have haste/versa ones use those

unless its huge different in ilvl

[unique shale]

if you want a pumper build go haste/cirt otherwise stick to haste/versa

[young cloud]

Is prot warrior really that op as people say? I hear everyone saying what unkillable machines we are but there are some m+ bosses that whoop my ass without healer attention on like +17 or so

[fathom goblet]

@young cloud I dont know sometime I’m get hit really bad even with SB up and Ignore Pain Up

[unique shale]

people clearly don't understand prot warrior so they make it sound like its op as fuck. However in reality, magic damage or facing back to boss or adds can one shot you in a sec

or down shield block

[weary python]

Is rumbling ruby a meme? 389 being beaten by a 379 primal ritual shell?

[unique shale]

its magic damage or magic/bleed dots

[prisma echo]

yea wow developer that read this discord, prot is super bad shape, dont nerf us plz mr wow officer

[unique shale]

study dung and shield reflect before going in dung

[young cloud]

Exactly,I haven’t played other tanks this expac but whenever I get chunked I feel like I did something wrong.

I do know all of them but for example storm in NO with enrage or bird in AA deal a lot to me

[fathom goblet]

From Azure Vault for exemple that stone mob trow frontal rocks

[unique shale]

yup those mobs frontal rocks does insane magic damage which it still kill you with shield reflect up so tell dps to nuke em first

[zinc spruce]

bro how tilting is when i wanna try and pull 2 packs and people will unload everything they have on the first one before i even manage to get to the 2nd one

losing aggro and shit

[fathom goblet]

@unique shale that rock is magic damage ?

[unique shale]

yup

[fathom goblet]

Lul

@unique shale that’s ridiculous

[young cloud]

Furthermore,is it normal to be the most healed person during a whole dung?Heard tanks should not be to reliant on healers this expac in m+

[fathom goblet]

@young cloud of course is the normal

[unique shale]

prot war don't need healing with shield block and ignore pain up

[fathom goblet]

Unless you are over gear

[ionic fern]

What the hell am i reading.

[young cloud]

How tho?You mean to tell me that spells like lightning breath or flying axe dont chunk you down?

[ionic fern]

YOU DO NEED HEALING

Unless you're doing irrelevant content.

You're a tank.
You get smacked.
You get healed.

[stable valve]

Are for me

[pallid quiver]

but what if you do 5-tank comp?

[sick sentinel]

tea why

[young mango]

2k mage doing 32k in a hov 15 dying several times on avoidable dmg. Start flaming about how mobs are tanked i love pugs

[sick sentinel]

cant for most runs

no dispel

[pallid quiver]

just simply tell the other tank to tank while you smack and you're fine

[fathom goblet]

@young mango arcane mage ?

[pallid quiver]

you really underestimate what 5 tanks lets you do

[young mango]

Arcane Mage @fathom goblet

[pallid quiver]

you should ask nome how they've handled that

[sick sentinel]

idk i havent looked into it this patch

[unique shale]

its does and it is magic damage you can only deal with shield reflect, shield wall, ignore pain but in full physical damage its barely to nothing damage

[ionic fern]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cZpzBPtTnV2mKQkM#fight=1&type=damage-taken&source=7&ability=389313&view=events

Looks like it is.

[fathom goblet]

@young mango it’s because they need to have mobs stopped in a position so they can dump

@young mango sometimes they get ahead and start dumping and you were like changing mob position because you want aggro more adds or you just need to kite

[tropic star]

i appreciate it, i actually was just looknig at that exact guy. Very suprised at how few people are taking it for raz. So many people taking bolster which seems like an odd choice

[ionic fern]

Can you stop?

[young mango]

Mobs were stacked and mot moved unless sang but he Go in melee on trash before hyria and get cleaved than start flaming.

[unique shale]

its fucking sanguine you need to move so you don't drop pools on top of them

[fathom goblet]

Not that

[warm plinth]

That seems like a very specific assumption based on virtually no information 🤔

@ionic fern hi ily

[ionic fern]

Hope you have a nice day/evening.

[fathom goblet]

You just need to move a little on sanguine

[pallid quiver]

I think Ghash should have a nice day/evening, too

[warm plinth]

Going pretty well, should actually get off work at a decent time and I have a 3-day weekend

[ionic fern]

Big plans for 31?

[zealous grove]

Can prot roll need on whispering incarnate icon?

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[zealous grove]

tyvm

[ionic fern]

You can roll "Need" on anything you need.

[warm plinth]

Nah, I'm not really into that kind of thing. I don't drink and I don't like to be around drunk people when I'm sober.

[zealous grove]

I got told I couldn't roll need on the eranog ring if i was prot

[ionic fern]

Well, i don't drink either.
But i usually still go out and look at fireworks etc.

[ionic fern]

Like..by your guild or?

[warm plinth]

It's one of only two rings in the entire dungeon; of course you can.

entire raid*

[zealous grove]

no as in - i should set my loot prio to arms\fury

or otherwise i couldnt roll on it

[ionic fern]

Eh?

[warm plinth]

That is not true

[zealous grove]

yeah thats what i thought

[ionic fern]

😂

[warm plinth]

Unless they're class-specific, I don't think any ring ever has only been lootable by certain specs. At least not since rings stopped having main stat and shit like spell power on them.

[zealous grove]

missed out on a shot at the trinket cause i just hard believed him against my better judgement.

not that i care was only N

[ionic fern]

[sick sentinel]

ok im gonna do some pressure testing because ive been getting a lot of interesting info from this channel

[warm plinth]

Even the CoS ring which does nothing for casters still drops for casters.

[sick sentinel]

battle stance in keys yes or no

[warm plinth]

Yes, unless you need to swap for a mechanic

[ionic fern]

Yes, up to a certain point/abilities.

I swapped to dstance yesterday for the first time for the Jades last pack

For example.