atomic stirrup
S. Doesn’t understand
#protection
cinder nova
Only duo I've actually had a hard time with is Aff/Fury
Fury just spent everything to peel while lock drained life into the floor
cinder nova
Yeah, they were both in assassin mode outside a dungeon.
granite nest
cinder nova
Or you're turning away.
stoic elm
oh
cinder nova
That's melee hits bud.
cinder nova
It's blocked hits.
granite nest
does this mean my shield block uptime is bad?
If you're looking specifically for uptime, check the "Buffs" tab
cinder nova
He blocked 67% of autoattacks.
stoic elm
urban portal
you tell me he blocked 10.85 million hits a dungeon?
he blocked 67% of damage
this is what you are looking for
granite nest
cinder nova
Good point.
urban portal
while the other 9 hits only did 100K each
you had 90% blocked hits
but you only blocked 50% of damage
stoic elm
oh cool
stoic elm
im watching this
but regardless if you have anything to add to my improvement please help me out.
stoic elm
while the other 9 hits only did 100K each
is there no way to tell though through logs which was the hit?
urban portal
i dont think so
however
most melee hits in a dungeon are approximately similar damage with similar mobs in a pack
thats not something you need to optimize, blocking specific melee hits
you just need to block the most possible
stoic elm
oh
urban portal
with a max of 78k
granite nest
How do you get to that page?
urban portal
this is just damage taken
granite nest
Got it ty
urban portal
hover over damage for blocked damage
earnest canyon
Hi everyone
Was wondering which shield should I craft for my warrior
Is shield of hearth any good? worth an embelished slot? or just regular shield without embelishments is generally better idea?
quartz mist
regular shield , hearth garbage
deft hazel
im about to go cheat death talent and that storm eater trinket and do giga pull
earnest canyon
Why its garbage? reading the tooltip it doesnt seem too far off in terms of power lvl from most other embelishments
I can understand it being not very good, but garbage seems excessive
wooden widget
Bad secondary stats too that you’re locked into
quartz mist
considering lariat is one embellish and taking hearth just limits you
again , garbage
jovial birch
It’s not garbage it just isn’t worth crafting vs your other options.
quartz mist
primal molten and call it a day
earnest canyon
It’s not garbage it just isn’t worth crafting vs your other options.
ye, was thinking somewhat the same
thanks guys
wooden widget
Is it possible to Recraft my molten defender without shield spikes? So I can switch to another emb?
quartz mist
add the alchemist pocket as well
jovial birch
Is it possible to Recraft my molten defender without shield spikes? So I can swi...
Yes
quartz mist
it doenst count as a embellish
eternal marsh
which 2 trinks should i use Bigtoe/Burgeoning seed/Decoration of flame?
wooden widget
Hmm I might do that so I can use a wep emb
jovial birch
which 2 trinks should i use Bigtoe/Burgeoning seed/Decoration of flame?
Decoration of flame and sim it with the others separately
quartz mist
pick up a whetstone from CoS and laugh at aoe packs
jovial birch
CoS refuses to give the ring or trinket
foggy drift
Is it worth to craft 405 pieces if I’m not doing 15’s and up to be able to craft pieces at 418. Im only 386 atm 😬
floral condor
Hey are any of you 1h sword blacksmiths? Need to remove embellishment
safe tundra
Crafting orders are still server specific yeah?
cerulean blaze
Don't think so
stoic elm
what is the avg cpm for protection war
sleek current
A lot but, not as much as rogue. 😄
urban portal
A lot but, not as much as rogue. 😄
thats false bud
prot warrior is #2 in apm
under bis gear
sleek current
They all say tier 29?
urban portal
this is just average CPM of every spec in a sim
this is just the BIS gear setup for every spec in a sim
"bis" being a loose term here
you can dig through individual logs on warcraftlogs but that takes forever
stoic elm
im just trying to do mythics till ksm at least. my cpm is 38 is that an alright amount?
urban portal
this is an accurate enough representation
thats way to slow
38 cpm is below 0 haste
the slowest spec in the game is 36 cpm
and they have channels
stoic elm
yikr
urban portal
but remember this is a sim
stoic elm
oh im trash jeez
urban portal
and its active time CPM
hybrid harness
so is the raid rings just trash or?
urban portal
logs have downtime
sleek current
urban portal
i highly doubt you actually have 38 cpm
urban portal
same with VDH
stoic elm
lol
urban portal
eating a soul is CPM
yeah
nice cheating bro
25 of CPM is just making a combo point
sleek current
Fair enough. 😂
vapid sparrow
guys would you build lariat with haste/versa?
sick sentinel
Yes
quartz brook
Hello guys, what phial do you use for M+ as prot warr? 😄
vapid sparrow
Eye in the Storm
arctic marten
Can you block during Breath of Neltharion tinker usage, or is it just suicide to use as tank?
jovial birch
guys would you build lariat with haste/versa?
I did haste/crit I’m only at 11% vers and have had no issues with survivability
Crit sims higher for damage and I’m all about that damage
quartz mist
i did 70 crit 33 haste gems
vapid sparrow
my healer pushes me to be always in def stance _X
jovial birch
Psh switch when he isn’t looking
vapid sparrow
😄
jovial birch
I won’t say anything
But for real I swap to defensive in heroic raid for some mechanics and have been using it in M+ above 15s for certain things honestly if you know how to use ignore pain and defensive CDs well you are good in battlestance most of the time.
vapid sparrow
is my first time really tanking and push m+
so its fine for the moment
till getting really used to use more ignore pain
jovial birch
Yeah just know as you get better try switching and see how it goes.
sick sentinel
madge .exe
order 3600mhz ram, can only run at 3200, cuz shit mobo
ehhhh faster than 2133 i gues
jovial birch
Sounds like the right next step is to get a new motherboard to be able to use your new ram 😂
grave heart
outside of Mage food, have you guys found any better non-buff health food than Sweet and Sour Clam Chowder (192856 hp over 20 secs)?
drifting fable
im surprised people eat food thats not for a well fed buff
sick sentinel
mage food is king especially for tank and healer (hp and mana respectively) cuz it heals % of max per tick
you can beat grevious with mage food
grave heart
indeed, but I like to carry a stack in case my pug doesn't have a mage
sick sentinel
was trying to run NO 7 and then priest refused to come to side enterance
i lagged out, my warrior stuck in limbo
frank spire
At what ilvl upgrade is it worth dropping cobalt assembly ring for a pure stat ring? It equates for about 10% of my healing atm
weary ferry
Hmm, so, I was looking through the talents, and why do we take one handed weapon specialization instead of uproar? Also, why do we go with intimidating shout instead of a maneuverability talent such as bounding stride?
lethal warren
hi guys, i'm really low in ilvl (385) and got myself this nice neck, was about to craft lariat but better off going for ilvl and crafting another item don't u think?
next plaza
Dumb question... does weapon type matter anymore with the damage ranges if they are all the same dps? Are skill damages calculated on dps or dmg range?
mortal brook
Wdps is normalized and converted to attack power for any abilities
next plaza
awesome ty.
mortal brook
Only diff between weapon types will be the crafters subspecialization knowledge
warm plinth
hi guys, i'm really low in ilvl (385) and got myself this nice neck, was about t...
Yes. There's no rush or requirement to craft lariat. Craft what you need. Shield and weapon should be a priority.
lethal warren
Yes. There's no rush or requirement to craft lariat. Craft what you need. Shi...
cheers
eternal marsh
hows the wow head M+ build? i hear alot of classes say the wowhead builds are horrendous
warm plinth
Haven't looked at it in a while. It's probably fine but if it takes barbaric training, switch that for something else
analog sparrow
Is there such a thing as too much haste at current gear levels?
sharp bone
noms pinned builds are a great startingpoint
eternal marsh
Haven't looked at it in a while. It's probably fine but if it takes barbaric tr...
it does what would you recommend instead
eternal marsh
noms pinned builds are a great startingpoint
awesome ill take a look ty
warm plinth
Is there such a thing as too much haste at current gear levels?
No
eternal marsh
is there a way to import his build or do i just have to do it myself?
analog sparrow
Love that, thanks
sharp bone
is there a way to import his build or do i just have to do it myself?
if you click the link youll find on the wowhead page an "export build" button
click that and probs copy to clipboard or something
warm plinth
it does what would you recommend instead
Bounding stride, pain and gain, or intervene depending on need/preference
Intervene is amazing for Halls of Valor as an example. You can intervene the scent of blood target on Fenryr and they don't have to run.
sleek current
Why don't they need to run? Is the 30% enough DR to survive it or does it do something?
Oh hold up
Just re-read intervene
cinder storm
eternal marsh
also am i pretty much dumping rage into IP and not revenge?
cinder storm
No, you revenge and you IP to not cap
stiff gate
What is the breakpoint for using VO on clap instead of SS? I remember reading 4 with UF, 6 without but I might have imagined that?
cinder storm
5 target count iirc
stiff gate
My damage feels pathetically low any time I have to play safe. Was losing my mind in a 20 nokhud because I needed to sit d stance for some trash but fury and enhance were bursting 200-300k dps and ripping all the mobs. Wasn’t sure if I just need to be using VO on clap more or what. Pretty much never get to use challenging shout to actually taunt since the silence is too good.
If I don’t have Ravager/Thunderous on the pull it feels like there’s just no chance I can get aggro those first few globals even with avatar
cinder storm
Have you seen plka dpsing? he waits like 2-5s before jumping on big packs
fossil vapor
i don't find a crafter for the shield, and i have already lariat. so i have space for just another embellishment. if i make the sword whit the damage emballishment, i can cancer this embellishment i nfuture if will craft a shield whit spike embellishment?
cinder storm
You can always recraft and modify embellishments
stiff gate
Have you seen plka dpsing? he waits like 2-5s before jumping on big packs
I’m playing with usually 1-2 pug dps I don’t really get the luxury of them waiting to dps unfortunately
cinder storm
I understand the shammy, but the fury should kinda know how not to rip aggro for the most part, at that level
stiff gate
Wonder if it’s worth just holding Ravager or thunderous and never sending them both on the same pack
Then I can have shield charge, avatar, and one of those for every pack for the most part
cinder storm
There's also not that many casts in NO, can always go challenging, you never go wrong with it
stiff gate
Ehhh, Nokhud feels really caster heavy around storm boss area. Less so in 3rd boss area because only 2 of the casts there actually matter, but those stormbolt casts are pretty close to one-shot territory and there’s an unstunnable guy in each pack that casts it on top of a normal guy also casting it.
Could probably get away with it I guess and if dps die just tell them to kick more
cinder storm
based
rugged mural
About to tank first H raid. Any bosses have significant additional heroic tank mechanics?
cinder storm
tanknotes should cover it
thin nova
any tips for Liu Flameheart tanking ?
warm plinth
any tips for Liu Flameheart tanking ?
Clench butthole
craggy pilot
do we know the date of Tier Catalyst being released? 🤔
stiff gate
For P1 Spell Reflect every other hit, Demo shout in between or just eat it. For P2 you need to rotate CDs (Spell Block, Reflect, Wall, BSV, LS) and also get some kind of healing. You can IV every other but in between I try to use health pot or healthstone, or if you proc BSV you can actually get a super heal from LS I think (not sure if that’s working correctly or I imagined it).
For P3 walk out of breath every time
P2 the scary part is the dot while your healing absorb persists, not the initial hit, so Spell Block isn’t as good as it would appear, you should have some kind of dr for every hit.
oak echo
do we know the date of Tier Catalyst being released? 🤔
Jan 24th - 6 weeks after raid release
worldly willow
if I have grieftorch and in vault I have diurna ring. is now better craft frosfire belt or 1h weapon for spark? is frostfire, grieftorch + diurna ring strong?
zealous grove
Can I macro Gift of Radiance trinket with avatar \ shield charge and they will go on the same button press - or would I need to spam?
mortal brook
if I have grieftorch and in vault I have diurna ring. is now better craft frosfi...
frostfire should be sufficient to proc ring at full rate
lyric aurora
Any suggestions on 3rd spark + primal infusion? Lowest pieces are belt (372) and shield (385). Thinking Frostbite belt, but..
mortal brook
Can I macro Gift of Radiance trinket with avatar \ shield charge and they will g...
sure, trinket is off gcd so it'd go off with your ability case. just care if you use double on use that one trinket locks out another
shield unless you need the fire damage for a raid ring, tbh
shields a big slot
thin nova
i cry
zealous grove
sure, trinket is off gcd so it'd go off with your ability case. just care if you...
tyvm. I did have hoof + radiance but i just got all-totem so ill probs go to on use and equo
lyric aurora
shields a big slot
True, good point
desert patio
kk cool
slim dove
For P3 walk out of breath every time
W8 I can walk out of breath?
mortal brook
W8 I can walk out of breath?
can and should
slim dove
can and should
Just did a 16 and I feel bad for trolling my healer now smh
stiff gate
W8 I can walk out of breath?
Yep, it is fairly wide but you easily have time to dodge it
Once you’ve made it to P3 the boss is basically over
idle inlet
Just did a 16 and I feel bad for trolling my healer now smh
Hahhaha, thanks for the laugh
slim dove
These old ass dungeons are troll dude
desert patio
which one you doin @slim dove
lofty mica
Is the ruby trinket (ruby shell) worth using?
slim dove
I'm at work rn but earlier temple
desert patio
oh god
stiff gate
Idk if temple even counts as an old dungeon literally every pack is different than the MoP version
slim dove
Just the mechs in general feel troll I guess
edgy grail
P2 the scary part is the dot while your healing absorb persists, not the initial...
Spell block is still pretty good because you can block 2 initial hits since it lasts 20 seconds
I’d say really the main thing is run double shield wall
Use impending victory on every other healing absorb
steady steppe
how does someone manage to get hit by the earth ele every time on RLP
its actually amazing
slim dove
how does someone manage to get hit by the earth ele every time on RLP
Dps zug brain
warm plinth
Is the ruby trinket (ruby shell) worth using?
it's pretty shit
ritual shell = good
whelp shell = bad
stiff gate
Spell block is still pretty good because you can block 2 initial hits since it l...
Yeah it’s worth taking and using for this boss, but I just said that because Spell Block alone will not save you in P2 when the dot/healing absorb is the majority of the danger, you should pair something with it
honest vale
ritual shell = good
whelp shell = bad
I'm not disagreeing with you, but why does the Wowhead guide say it's BiS when it's bad? I know the Wowhead guides aren't end-all-be-all and I'll sim stuff anyway, but just curious.
icy citrus
guys sorry to interrupt, what are the best m+ trinkets?
stiff gate
Wowhead guide says whelp shell is BiS??? Lmao what
honest vale
honest vale
guys sorry to interrupt, what are the best m+ trinkets?
Depends if you're going for damage or defense.
lyric aurora
That same guide listed Trial of Valor raid items as BiS because the author didn't know the difference between ToV and HoV
stiff gate
That’s kinda wild I had it for a bit and it was very terrible. Never more than 2% damage or healing and pitiful uptime on buff
honest vale
stiff gate
In comparison slicing maelstrom is consistently 7-10% of my dps
warm plinth
I'm not disagreeing with you, but why does the Wowhead guide say it's BiS when i...
You'll notice that his assumption about the trinket was incorrect if you read further down.
You can't actually change the type of proc you get; as far as anyone can tell, the use effect is just flavor and has no actual bearing on the type of proc.
It has 1ppm proc rate and has 6 possible procs, which is why it's bad.
craggy pilot
Jan 24th - 6 weeks after raid release
thx
honest vale
Hmm... meanwhile my dumbass is stuck with puzzle box.
stiff gate
Puzzle box isn’t terrible I think but it is the most annoying trinket this tier imo
Precasting it while group is waiting for me to pull is kinda weird
mint pike
So i was running 13 jade serpent earlier this week and everything was ezpz until the last pull and I got hit by 2 dark slashes (the sha tank buster) and died in a split second. I know i can reflect one, but if i miss it im basically dead and it was only a 13. Should i just build threat and run from that pack or what
honest vale
I know! I'm sitting there solving a puzzle and the group is like, "??"
warm plinth
It's kinda funny that annoyance is so relative because Manic Grieftorch is probably the best trinket this tier and it also requires a 2 second cast.
But no one ever seems to complain about that one 😂
stiff gate
I haven’t got a grief torch yet so it could be just as annoying lol
inland raft
how many ilvl is tier worth generally?
honest vale
I want to smack my trinkets and forget about them.
warm plinth
Hard to say. I would sim for the 2pc. We don't really need the survival from the 4pc in most cases but it is pretty good.
craggy pilot
So i was running 13 jade serpent earlier this week and everything was ezpz until...
you can run Spell Block
and then Rotate Spell Relfect -> Spell Block -> Shield Wall -> Shockwave -> Kite
warm plinth
I'm not sure if the 4pc would be worth dropping ilevel for but the 2pc might depending on sims
stiff gate
So i was running 13 jade serpent earlier this week and everything was ezpz until...
Prot Warrior is actually probably the best tank for that pull. Everything scary is Spell Block-able (and you should definitely take spell block for temple), and if you don’t cc you can actually double reflect the first set of claws.
stiff gate
Yeah it’s a d stance pull for sure but you have enough CDs to rotate to live it
If you’re worried about mistiming the double reflect you can storm bolt one during claws cast to desync them
spare turret
392 wrist with haste/vers vs 398 vers/mast
warm plinth
You can also just shockwave them prior to the first cast to guarantee the sync, but then you need to do something after to desync them 😂
spare turret
392 is better?
warm plinth
392 wrist with haste/vers vs 398 vers/mast
No, use the 398
cold pollen
any prot war streamer i can look up?
mint pike
ok thanks guys
warm plinth
any prot war streamer i can look up?
Pretty much any high key tank is playing prot warrior right now
cold pollen
i mean prot pov
warm plinth
Yes, we know what you meant
cold pollen
thanks will check
indigo hemlock
Quick question. The TIer set bonus, is it additive or multi? My fellow tank in raid has 4 set, I have none. He only cast ten more Shield Slams but he did over a million damage more than me. Exact same talents, similar gear
honest vale
What are the Sha considered NPC wise, so which CC, if any, are they viable to?
craggy pilot
Quick question. The TIer set bonus, is it additive or multi? My fellow tank in r...
maybe hes better at using Violent Outburst
mint pike
Also, how exactly does spell block work? Can i block dot ticks or only up-front dmg spell casts?
craggy pilot
Nerftank as well
honest vale
Spell Block, then you block spell casts for 20 sec.
So you need to use it before their casts or it won't work.
craggy pilot
if you want to look at twitch streamer for prot, take plka any day over Nerftank
warm plinth
Quick question. The TIer set bonus, is it additive or multi? My fellow tank in r...
It's small enough that it shouldn't matter significantly either way. I am fairly certain most, if not all, percentage gains are multiplicative though.
stiff gate
Also, how exactly does spell block work? Can i block dot ticks or only up-front ...
Does not block dot ticks or ground effects as far as I know, just direct magic attacks like dark claws, or icebolts in RLP. You need to have shield block up as well.
lyric aurora
So you need to use it before their casts or it won't work.
If a spell dot lands on you just before Spell Block fades though, does it continue to 'block' each tick of the dot for reduced damage?
mint pike
Does not block dot ticks or ground effects as far as I know, just direct magic a...
thanks!
warm plinth
Also, how exactly does spell block work? Can i block dot ticks or only up-front ...
DoT ticks are not blockable
lyric aurora
ahh Saiyoran answered that
warm plinth
Ground effects probably depend on the ground effect, but I don't believe there are any ground effects that you'd rather block than just move out of anyway.
honest vale
I think that's where Avoidance comes into play anyway.
ashen plinth
what are ya'll making with your third spark? shield? (I've already made 1h weapon + lariat)
honest vale
But you probably shouldn't be banking on a tertiary stat to avoid damage. 🤣
stiff gate
It’s a really good talent for temple and also RLP, off the top of my head most other dungeons it’s not super important for. 2nd boss azure it’s nice if you’re scared if his cleave, I believe it’s physical/magic combo
warm plinth
Well, most ground effects allow you to move out of them prior to actually taking damage. There are a couple exceptions.
warm plinth
what are ya'll making with your third spark? shield? (I've already made 1h weapo...
Yes, shield would be my recommendation.
warm plinth
It’s a really good talent for temple and also RLP, off the top of my head most o...
TJS, RLP, and high tyrannical HoV are my recommendations for spell block
lyric aurora
About to go farm up 2 more primal focus and get a shield myself
warm plinth
eternal lotus
stupid question... but spell block, is that a talent? becasue all i can find is spell reflect that last 5 seconds
warm plinth
good choice
stiff gate
Well, most ground effects allow you to move out of them prior to actually taking...
There are some important exceptions, kinda curious now if you you can spell block the ground AoE from last boss of nokhud for example
warm plinth
It's a talent, yes. It's on the same node as tough as nails I think? On the right side of the spec tree
indigo hemlock
It's small enough that it shouldn't matter significantly either way. I am fair...
Yeah, I'm checking logs to see if I can spot any differences in regards to Outburst.
warm plinth
The ground aoe of that boss is completely avoidable though
Unless I'm thinking of the wrong mechanic maybe? I have only been awake for an hour
stiff gate
I’m pretty sure it initial ticks everyone, same with frost Bomb from 3rd boss azure, or is it another damage source?
honest vale
Wait, can you block Frost Bomb?
stiff gate
No idea
That’s another one that I should test, maybe it’s in the spreadsheet
That thing hurts like crazy
warm plinth
Frost Bomb definitely will hit you
honest vale
No shot they let a tank completely disregard the mechanic.
craggy pilot
anyone know anything about MM hunter pets? 🤔 like how important is Lone Wolf for them?
honest vale
Can't have another repeat of Brewmaster and Nighthold.
warm plinth
But there are random swirlies on Bakhar Kahn that are completely avoidable, and if the others are not completely avoidable (the ones that leave behind the tornado-y thing), they don't target the tank anyway iirc
honest vale
anyone know anything about MM hunter pets? 🤔 like how important is Lone Wolf fo...
That's a hunter Discord question. Besides, I play survival. Year of the Spear (round 2).
stiff gate
But there are random swirlies on Bakhar Kahn that are completely avoidable, and ...
The blue circle that goes on everyone definitely targets the tank, I murdered our rogue with it yesterday in a 20 lol
slim dove
anyone know anything about MM hunter pets? 🤔 like how important is Lone Wolf fo...
Big. Mm hunter pet does negative dam. Lone wolf is flat 10%.
warm plinth
anyone know anything about MM hunter pets? 🤔 like how important is Lone Wolf fo...
It's important enough that you don't want a pet if you can help it. Like if you have to lust, if it's at the start of the pull, you just precast dismiss and lust right before it finishes casting. If it's mid pull, you just keep the pet out
craggy pilot
so we did only drums
lyric aurora
it was our only lust in grp 😄
That's the only time they should use a pet - and they should use it when that's the case
slim dove
Eh refusing is troll
eternal marsh
just did a 14 COS at 380 did 22k overall is that horrendous or about right?
stiff gate
just had a MM hunter refuse to lust
This is trolling but I understand the frustration, dismiss pet is like a 3sec cast after you lust lol
slim dove
They lose 20 seconds of lone wolf after dismiss but not lusting is an L
warm plinth
The only reason you keep the pet out is because if you lust midpull it's probably a dps loss to dismiss and wait for the lone wolf stacks to come back
slim dove
just did a 14 COS at 380 did 22k overall is that horrendous or about right?
Ideally close to 35-40 but depends how you pull
eternal marsh
GYAT
craggy pilot
just did a 14 COS at 380 did 22k overall is that horrendous or about right?
sounds a little bit low ye, but hard to judge without log
slim dove
I pull 2-3 packs whole dungeon and end around 40-45
Depends if my dps can kick or not ofc.
warm plinth
What ilevel are you though
eternal marsh
i feel like i cant survive 2-3 packs used to playing Brew
stiff gate
CoS routing is weird you’re only ever gonna pull big like twice in the whole key outside of imps.
slim dove
Oh I guess that matters a bunch. 399
craggy pilot
i get around 35-40k dps when im pushing, when i do 3 keys lower with guild, i do 45k+ dps
honest vale
COS is a popular dungeon for butt pulling, so as a tank, you have to pull 2-3 packs or they get pulled anyway. 
eternal marsh
i think my biggest issue is holding onto CDs
craggy pilot
i think my biggest issue is holding onto CDs
chug it on CD bro
warm plinth
i feel like i cant survive 2-3 packs used to playing Brew
Depends on the pull. Some shit you just can't multi-pull
eternal marsh
i definitely hold avatar way too long
craggy pilot
:<
honest vale
GOTTEM
craggy pilot
stiff gate
Avatar is like 45sec if you’re spamming rage
warm plinth
i definitely hold avatar way too long
You literally never hold Avatar unless the pack is dying in a few seconds
eternal marsh
Demo shout rallying i also almost never go into battlestance
craggy pilot
just pop avatar+demoshout+ravager+dragon roar
craggy pilot
Demo shout rallying i also almost never go into battlestance
always sit in Bstance
and swap to Dstance for spicy packs, spicy hits, or spicy bosses
honest vale
I Rally so much in keys, helps my healers out a lot.
warm plinth
Battle Stance is 14% damage right there
honest vale
Especially on weeks like Bursting.
stiff gate
Rally is really nice for some bosses you should learn where to use it
violet spruce
i definitely hold avatar way too long
Bind it to shield charge.
honest vale
just pop avatar+demoshout+ravager+dragon roar
9 mill damage right there ez
warm plinth
Bind it to shield charge.
It doesn't have the same CD as shield charge every time. Not a good idea.
craggy pilot
Avatar + Demo + Ravager + Dragon Roar + Shield Charge + Blazehoof
honest vale
BRO
violet spruce
It doesn't have the same CD as shield charge every time. Not a good idea.
With rage cd, it’ll reset in time
honest vale
Are you trying to despawn mobs in keys?
warm plinth
If he's not remembering to cast it as a separate button, he's certainly not going to remember to press shield charge when it's on cooldown to make sure Avatar goes off.
plucky zodiac
hey guys i have a question about Prot warrior. One of my guildmembers is having a hardtime doing decent dps when tanking in raids. could someone look at this log and give me some feedback? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QwhHDyx97tfqza8V/
little fern
i have avatar bound with thunderclap so its never off cd
eternal marsh
its not about remembering its just worrying itll have a better use after the fact
honest vale
Avatar + Demo + Ravager + Dragon Roar + Shield Charge + Blazehoof
Patrol Captain Gerdo has left the chat.
violet spruce
Binding avatar to Shield charge will incentivize using avatar more
eternal marsh
then it turns into 17 after the facts till i pop it on boss
craggy pilot
its not about remembering its just worrying itll have a better use after the fac...
when the better use comes, it will be rdy again
there is never a better use
stiff gate
its not about remembering its just worrying itll have a better use after the fac...
Start by just sending on cd for avatar and demo, even if you use them in the worst possible scenario they are back SUPER fast
violet spruce
And you should aim to get avatar to 45s with rage spending, if not you are likely rage capped too much
craggy pilot
its not about remembering its just worrying itll have a better use after the fac...
just think about it this way, Demo+Avatar is about 1min CD, one pack of mobs usually lasts 1min
eternal marsh
ok do i do my 15 SBG or drop it and practice Decisions decisions
warm plinth
With rage cd, it’ll reset in time
Downtime between packs will desync them.
craggy pilot
multiple times during boss
honest vale
Holding your CDs is like holding your ultimates - it's a waste. Trying to determine best case is usually the worst case.
craggy pilot
hey guys i have a question about Prot warrior. One of my guildmembers is having ...
first off, hes using rage on Whirlwind for whatever fucking reason
violet spruce
Then wait to use Shield charge until avatar is up
honest vale
Unless you know there's a pack where you want to use it, and it's soon, then don't pop it.
plucky zodiac
okay so what should change on that
violet spruce
Shield charge is the big fun button, use some impulse control and save it for avatar
honest vale
I don't think I ever hit Rend, it just spreads.
craggy pilot
okay so what should change on that
this guy should never click Whirlwind or Rend, remove it from bar
stiff gate
Take whirlwind and Rend off the bars
craggy pilot
Revenge is rage spender
quiet crane
He needs to use revenge instead of whirlwind take it off he’s bars same as rend thunderclap is enough
steel mauve
if you talent it then tclap applies rend
lone eagle
re spell block conversation
warm plinth
He literally cast revenge one time in 3 1/2 minutes
honest vale
👀
steel mauve
oof
warm plinth
This guy needs to read a guide honestly
honest vale
lone eagle
Spell Block as a mechanic (when it was a ppal thing with holy shield) used to let you block dot ticks and it worked as a pseudo heal/absorb equal to your block % reduction on the hit
quiet crane
General rule is keep SB up. Dump rage into revenge as long as you don’t starve yourself if you need to refresh SB, thunderclap on cd and shield slam on CD as highest priority
lone eagle
With the introduction of Spell Block for pwar, they redesigned the mechanic and it now only works on actual direct spell casts
plucky zodiac
so dont use whirlwind and rend, just remove that from bar. use revenge instead?
lone eagle
for both pwar and ppal
quiet crane
If you’re going to overcap and you can’t spend rage quick enough wi th revenge and following the proc priority. You then hit and dump with IP
Literally tell him that
Yes your dps dump is revenge whilst hitting shield slam and thunderclap on CD
craggy pilot
way too much Whirlwind, 191 casts during all kills
not nearly enough CPM on Shield Slam either i would say
quiet crane
only hit IP if you need it for a tank buster essentislly or to dump rage cause revenge can’t spend it quick enough
stiff gate
so dont use whirlwind and rend, just remove that from bar. use revenge instead?
He should be specced into Blood and Thunder, which causes Thunderclap to automatically apply Rend (assuming he has Rend talented). You never need to actually press Rend itself. Whirlwind should never be pressed, use Revenge instead.
quiet crane
^
craggy pilot
ALSO HE CAST SHIELD BLOCK 2 TIMES IN 6 BOSSES WHATTTT
plucky zodiac
He should be specced into Blood and Thunder, which causes Thunderclap to automat...
now this is helpfull thanks
visual prairie
shield block for chumps
somber shell
am I good to dump this shitty puzzle box now 😄
honest vale
ALSO HE CAST SHIELD BLOCK 2 TIMES IN 6 BOSSES WHATTTT
Dude, he just blocks naturally, doesn't need to use a spell for it.
🤣
visual prairie
no dragon games equipment is a dog trinket
somber shell
nooooo
steel mauve
get enough mastery and you dont need shield block 😉
warm plinth
am I good to dump this shitty puzzle box now 😄
Yes
somber shell
thank you
honest vale
Nielsen lost so much faith in humanity off this conversation that they swapped PFP. 🤣
craggy pilot
@plucky zodiac honestly he should just click his buttons, more Shield 'Block, more Shield Slam, more Revenge (less Rend and less Whirlwind, which should be 0)
warm plinth
It's not an ideal trinket but you still get a bunch of strength and it still does damage.
craggy pilot
Nielsen lost so much faith in humanity off this conversation that they swapped P...
nop, not me bro lol
imposter
warm plinth
And it's not like you're going from a non-annoying trinket to an annoying one
They're both annoying
somber shell
lol
plucky zodiac
<@306004925475848196> honestly he should just click his buttons, more Shield 'Bl...
that also just solves the low dps problem? since he was losing threat at some points to other tanks
craggy pilot
also the guy did 1 Shield Wall the entire raid 😄
craggy pilot
that also just solves the low dps problem? since he was losing threat at some po...
Shield Block makes Shield Slam do 30% more dmg
if he just clicks his abilities honestly
he has 0.2 CPM on Demo Shout
should be above 1 CPM
plucky zodiac
he doesnt we can hear him smash keys in voice XD
craggy pilot
he is clicking Whirlwind thats why
stiff gate
that also just solves the low dps problem? since he was losing threat at some po...
Shield block buffs shield slam damage, in addition to being the majority of our mitigation. This guy fundamentally doesn’t understand the spec, you should link him either the wowhead or icy veins guide.
warm plinth
I just wanna know what his logic is for pressing whirlwind
craggy pilot
tell him to remove Whirlwind, Rend & Slam from his castbar entirely
never use that shit
warm plinth
instead of revenge
craggy pilot
@plucky zodiac what difficulty is this?
plucky zodiac
just normal
craggy pilot
can someone link a normal log they have from raid?
honest vale
I just wanna know what his logic is for pressing whirlwind
Used to play Fury.
stiff gate
Used to play Fury.
Yeah it’s gotta be this
craggy pilot
(i dont play prot in raid so i cant)
warm plinth
Yeah but it's literally a spender instead of a generator for us 😬
honest vale
I'd like to talk with his healers more than him.
craggy pilot
some people just see it in spellbook, and think its good
plucky zodiac
I'd like to talk with his healers more than him.
the healers were pumping
warm plinth
Idk, it's just sad when you see someone who obviously never even glanced at a guide
stiff gate
On a related note I would kill for Fury execute as prot (generator instead of spender)
warm plinth
Like there's a reason whirlwind, slam, and rend aren't mentioned in the rotation part
craggy pilot
does anyone have a normal log that isnt top 10 score?
plucky zodiac
not everyone is interested in watching/reading a guide. thats why im here trying to learn from this and pass it through
honest vale
Didn't they change something with Prot that used to be a generator, but is now a spender?
plucky zodiac
any links to a general guide/talent build?
craggy pilot
any links to a general guide/talent build?
his talent build is fine
warm plinth
Wowhead, icy-veins, pins, like
craggy pilot
hes just not clicking his CDs
plucky zodiac
his talent build is fine
cuz i copied it from Meeres 😛
warm plinth
If you can't be bothered to read a guide then I don't have a lot of faith in your effort to improve
honest vale
not everyone is interested in watching/reading a guide. thats why im here trying...
Just tell him to stop pressing Whirlwind and Rend, and instead use Revenge. Also, use his cooldowns more.
plucky zodiac
If you can't be bothered to read a guide then I don't have a lot of faith in you...
its not me trying to improve
stiff gate
not everyone is interested in watching/reading a guide. thats why im here trying...
The 10 minutes it will take him to skim the guide will improve his play a LOT more than you passing on second-hand information
warm plinth
I know that
But you're the one that said "not everyone is interested in watching/reading a guide"
plucky zodiac
true that and by that i mean him in this case
warm plinth
Like you're enabling him
craggy pilot
its not me trying to improve
warm plinth
Just tell him to read the guide
plucky zodiac
but alright i think i know enough for now
craggy pilot
compare these 2 man
and see the CPM
this is just some random log i found from normal, where there was a warr tank
plucky zodiac
ill have a look
honest vale
Why is he casting Rend at all if he's spreading it when he uses Thunder Clap?
He's talented into B&T.
warm plinth
does anyone have a normal log that isnt top 10 score?
Filter by prot warrior, normal, and boss. Click Next at the bottom of the page, then just change the page number in the URL to like page 5 or something and click one
quiet crane
but alright i think i know enough for now
There’s a difference to your earlier question between trying to help someone improve and someone who clearly didn’t even level with it and not have any idea what he’s buttons do
warm plinth
Yeah, that was basically my point. Like there's improving and there's just having no understanding of the fundamental concepts of the spec.
quiet crane
The man needs a guide otherwise you’re just enabling him to play like that and it’s going to end up tilting your guild and anyone else who plays with him. Mistakes and stuff is fine but just blatantly ignoring something makes a lot of people not enjoy the content with someone
warm plinth
The latter is solved by reading a fucking guide
honest vale
Separate question, Shield of Light on Hyrja, can we avoid that? Clearly it follows the tank, but that shit CHUNKS.
warm plinth
Separate question, Shield of Light on Hyrja, can we avoid that? Clearly it follo...
No, you just need to rotate defensives for it and use it to get to the other side.
wraith ingot
Thanks for the spell reflection WA @fierce juniper
plucky zodiac
Separate question, Shield of Light on Hyrja, can we avoid that? Clearly it follo...
no
honest vale
Yeah, been using it to close the distance, but was hoping I was just handling it wrong. ;_;
steel mauve
usually if you actually care about the content and your performance youll find the information you need, if not then you wont even try, and thats worse than some one who didnt research but is willing to improve
scenic bough
hello, is there a way to make it play a sound when a spell starts being cast on me, and i have SR up;
I have tried using the play sound feature in the actions tab on the WA, and that spams me with sounds over and over again even when SR is down.
I am assuming this will require digging into the custom triggers and lua code, but I am not very experienced with WA
honest vale
Literally in my first 10 mins of reading chat, I learned how to better handle the trash pull before Sha in Temple.
steel mauve
i use the shield of light to propel me towards the other boss for the different buff
honest vale
That pull makes me grief, and now I'm not so scared. 😄
warm plinth
hello, is there a way to make it play a sound when a spell starts being cast on ...
You would need to have two triggers, the spell cast and the CD of SR, and require the sound to have both triggers active to play
honest vale
Does he run keys? He can't be doing what he does in raid but in keys.
craggy pilot
Log CPM: ur mate /// random guy (namywar)
Thunderclap 11.3 // 15.8
Shield Slam 8.3 // 15.9
Whirlwind+Rend+Revenge 9.3 // 10.4 (should only be Revenge here tho)
Ignore Pain 5.1 // 10
Avatar 0.9 // 1.6
Execute 0.5 // 3.1 (this one depends on boss timings though)
Shield Charge 0.5 // 1.4
Thunder Roar 0.4 // 1.1
Ravager 0.2 // 0.8
Demo Shout 0.2 // 1.2
Shield Block 0.1 // 3.8
🤔 most of these he is casting less than half of what he should be
sick sentinel
i swear we need a graphics silder option forcity/world boss/event, or like, you can also set raid settings to also apply to those
craggy pilot
no clue who this "namywar" is, but he is "only" getting blue parses
plucky zodiac
ive seen enough for now. thanks for the help guys
steel mauve
basically it boiols down to hitting more buttons, and hitting the right buttons
sick sentinel
that would be awesome if you could tell city and world boss and more than 20 players on screen auto sets everything to 1 or 2 or 3 graphics
craggy pilot
Log CPM: ur mate /// random guy (namywar)
Thunderclap 11.3 // 15.8
Shie...
@plucky zodiac honestly just send him this, or the logs that i showed you
click buttons = do dmg
plucky zodiac
<@306004925475848196> honestly just send him this, or the logs that i showed you
ive got the logs opened rn so will do
cinder nova
Log CPM: ur mate /// random guy (namywar)
Thunderclap 11.3 // 15.8
Shie...
🤔 Who is... pushing rend? Are both these jabronis pushing rend AND WW?
craggy pilot
🤔 Who is... pushing rend? Are both these jabronis pushing rend AND WW?
no, @plucky zodiac sent a log with a guy doing Rend+WW+Revenge
and i compared to a guy doing ONLY Revenge
craggy pilot
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1kLcqthp4X6WMfgw#boss=-2&difficulty=0&wipes...
@cinder nova you can see the logs here side by side
hazy solar
I like the idea of the Avatar thunderclap macro. Think Ignore Pain with Demoralizing Shout would be good too. They are both so fast, that I'd rather never have them off cooldown then waste them.
craggy pilot
I like the idea of the Avatar thunderclap macro. Think Ignore Pain with Demorali...
what is the "idea" here?
Ignore Pain with Demo shout accomplishes nothing
cinder nova
Not a great idea.
hazy solar
avatar with thunderclap, someone posted it above
cinder nova
Yeah, macroing anything like that together is not a good take.
craggy pilot
Avatar in Thunderclap accomplishes nothing as well
vapid crow
how does elemental lariat work? someone in my guild is telling me i need to socket the 70vers +33 haste gems to get a haste proc as it only procs the second stat?
hazy solar
It keeps them on cd
cinder nova
The only reason we even have a macro for IP and THEN Shield Slam is to have one button mash to not overcap rage when you have an SS proc
warm plinth
I like the idea of the Avatar thunderclap macro. Think Ignore Pain with Demorali...
The latter macro would be really bad because you use Ignore Pain during spell casts when Demo Shout would be on GCD. It would basically never cast.
craggy pilot
It keeps them on cd
fucks with your GCD though
steel mauve
macroing cd's with abilities is a really ineffective and horrible way to try to play
warm plinth
Like the first macro is ill-advised but idk, it's probably fine. The second macro is just inting
And when I say fine I mean like, it's not awful. But it's far from optimal.
hazy solar
Right now I just have separate keybinds and use them accordingly. Trying to maximize cd usage though. Maybe not worth it then
honest vale
You're probably better served just training yourself to use the buttons.
Then perfecting their usage.
hazy solar
gotcha
craggy pilot
nah, usually whenever your Avatar is ready, you can shove everythign together
steel mauve
it would maybe maximize cd usage but also impact your actual performance in a very negative way
craggy pilot
Avatar + Ravager + Demo Shout + Dragon Roar + Shield Charge
and also trinket if you got one
warm plinth
I would only recommend combining abilities in general in macros if you had some kind of accessibility issue
Where you just couldn't handle pressing that many buttons or something
hazy solar
is there a way to get this to work only if i actually cast shield charge? I like to spam it while waiting on bosses to be hitable
warm plinth
get what to work
cinder nova
Even with that, Nielsen, I'd have that macro on an entirely separate button away from any version of the normal binds for those spells.
craggy pilot
is there a way to get this to work only if i actually cast shield charge? I like...
spam Charge instead, not Shield Charge
you can Charge then Shield Charge
hazy solar
Also after reading the comments, I think I may be using ignore pain too often
craggy pilot
since Shield Charge is 0 range, while Charge is min 8
proud dock
can someone explain why we take impending victory? do we actually use this on rotation?
craggy pilot
can someone explain why we take impending victory? do we actually use this on ro...
not in rotation, you use it when you need Selfheal
warm plinth
And yeah you only use it if needed
craggy pilot
Also after reading the comments, I think I may be using ignore pain too often
use it when you are about to cap rage, to avoid capping
proud dock
oh shit then ive been doing this wrong
hazy solar
Nielsen that's great, I'll set that up
honest vale
The Charge instead of Shield Charge thing.
hazy solar
the shield charge macro
warm plinth
Like consider that Renewal, the guardian druid ability that also heals for 30%, is a 90 second CD @proud dock
craggy pilot
#showtooltip Charge
/cancelaura Bladestorm
/cancelaura Blessing of Protection
/cast Charge
/cast Victory Rush
/cast Impending Victory
i have this macro btw for Victory Rush / Imp Victory
craggy pilot
the shield charge macro
🤔 didnt say anything about macro
hazy solar
nice!
warm plinth
Like consider that Renewal, the guardian druid ability that also heals for 30%, ...
And ours resets when we get a killing blow too
proud dock
Like consider that Renewal, the guardian druid ability that also heals for 30%, ...
yeah i just didnt think it would proc after u reach max lvl
im reeeeeeeeeeeee
eternal lotus
spell block work in TJS? that last trash mob is toxic AF
honest vale
Imagine getting a killing blow against pumpers.
craggy pilot
spell block work in TJS? that last trash mob is toxic AF
yes
warm plinth
Yeah it does. Max level mobs still count as "granting experience" even though they don't
eternal lotus
thx!
proud dock
gotcha thanks
warm plinth
Imagine getting a killing blow against pumpers.
It's not really about DPS, just timing on when the ability happens to hit
craggy pilot
i run Spell Block + Double Wall in Temple @eternal lotus
regal bramble
anyone got a spreadsheet on all spell reflect casts?
stiff gate
spell block work in TJS? that last trash mob is toxic AF
Yes it’s very good in tojs
honest vale
anyone got a spreadsheet on all spell reflect casts?
In pins.
craggy pilot
anyone got a spreadsheet on all spell reflect casts?
regal bramble
❤️
warm plinth
Downside of using a bot to post your FAQ channel is it's more inconvenient to update the post 😂
regal bramble
Thanks 😄
oak echo
Is there a spell reflect weak aura for my fuckin melee that kick everything I’m about to reflect
craggy pilot
Is there a spell reflect weak aura for my fuckin melee that kick everything I’m ...
this is the one i use 😄
wide charm
/cast Spell Reflect
/yell don't kick
warm plinth
Is there a spell reflect weak aura for my fuckin melee that kick everything I’m ...
Are they like, people you play with regularly?
Or just pug dps
oak echo
oh, I say it in discord voice chat and it still gets kicked lol
wide charm
cus they spam if you click the button a few times
precisely why they are better
warm plinth
oh, I say it in discord voice chat and it still gets kicked lol
I can give you my WA after work (will be a long while). Have them import it. It puts a huge ass red message up on their screen when reflect is active
hazy solar
I'm just happy they will kick most times lol
oak echo
My question wasn’t very serious I’m just being grumpy about it but I’ll grab the one you linked and give it a go
That sounds nice too tho
surreal pendant
hey all i know this is a very very bad idea but if you were to drop ravager for dungeon spec what should you take instead?
was wondering abt battering ram or something
craggy pilot
hey all i know this is a very very bad idea but if you were to drop ravager for ...
why do you want to drop it?
show talent build tbh
depends what you have
but dropping Ravager sounds bad
surreal pendant
ya im using just wowhead m+ build atm
but i am not a ravager enjoyer i cant see shit when its up
(im very bad at the game btw)
craggy pilot
you can take Battering Ram over Thunderlord
rocky sapphire
Eranog Heroic, how many stacks do you swap on?
craggy pilot
but i am not a ravager enjoyer i cant see shit when its up
i guess you could swap Ravager for something like Battle Scarred Veteran, or Enduring Alacrity for more defensive
honest vale
Eranog Heroic, how many stacks do you swap on?
Every 4-5.
craggy pilot
but you would lose like 5% dmg in M+
surreal pendant
yea i was hoping to replace it with more dmg but maybe just take the cheat death
seems like there isnt much else left for dmg
craggy pilot
yea i was hoping to replace it with more dmg but maybe just take the cheat death
theres nothing "more dmg" than Ravager
rocky sapphire
thank you
craggy pilot
because we have Battering Ram already
surreal pendant
yeah true
sly plume
Armor spikes or frostfire+ broodkeeper ring?
honest vale
thank you
You're welcome. Obviously, if your co-tank is at 4 stacks and yours haven't dropped, don't taunt back, let them take a 5th stack, then taunt.
hazy solar
maybe a dumb question, but trying to understand how to use ignore pain better. I read it caps at full health. So if I have an ignore pain up and that plus remaining health is full, then another one is pointless correct?
craggy pilot
maybe a dumb question, but trying to understand how to use ignore pain better. I...
no
you dont really care about the absorb, unless you are taking massive dmg
just use it to spend rage, so you dont hit the ragecap
Ragecap = rage wasted
and u wanna spend rage to fuel your Anger Management
and Violent OUtburst
being at 100% rage is bad
hazy solar
ok, so I may be fine then. I am almost never at rage cap, but I use ignore pain a ton
I dont always have rage when i need to slam though
craggy pilot
if you use it "too much" you could probably use Revenge instead
honest vale
IP is great if you feel you need to play more defensively than offensively. Of course, that comes at a price.
craggy pilot
I dont always have rage when i need to slam though
slam?
hazy solar
thats what i was thinking too. need more revenge
honest vale
If you have tier, then Revenge is both a offensive and defensive ability.
hazy solar
shield slam
craggy pilot
shield slam
shield slam doesnt cost rage 🤔
sly plume
i think you mean shield block?
honest vale
But yes, excessively dumping into IP is bad.
hazy solar
yea, I'm mixing things up. I just need to revenge more and ignore pain less
craggy pilot
just ignore pain if you are at 70+ rage
or if youre about to hit a Shield Slam that would overcap you
fx Shield Slam with Outburst is like 50 rage
pallid quiver
Always remember that revenge gives you more rage than IP, as well, since it can reset Shield Slam
hazy solar
I appreciate the tips. I think a few tweaks and I'll see some nice improvements.
honest vale
I don't think you need to hit IP as often as you think. I will often rage dump into it if I'm going to take a HUGE hit like Shield of Light on Hyrja (combo'd with another defensive).
pallid quiver
you only would press it twice in that situation since there's a cap to IP and you touch it in two casts iirc
hazy solar
makes sense
honest vale
Correct.
quiet hearth
whats our biS trinekts ?
craggy pilot
whats our biS trinekts ?
any raid trinket basically
honest vale
whats our biS trinekts ?
Depends on your situation. Some play better offensively, while others are defensive.
pallid quiver
But at any rate, when playing proper, you only use IP to prevent overcapping. It sounds like you don't press it a lot, vut we have enough rage gen to make that mean you oush it a hell of a lot
quiet hearth
hmm okay
hazy solar
I do
craggy pilot
But at any rate, when playing proper, you only use IP to prevent overcapping. It...
when i pop my CDs im pressing like 4 IP back to back
so much rage gen with Avatar + Demo + Shield Charge + Ravager + Dragon Roar
honest vale
Grieftorch and Hoof are both great offensive trinkets, while Decoration of Flame and Enduring Scale are better defensive trinkets. Although, Decoration is both offensive and defensive.
sick sentinel
How is kurogs trinket
livid osprey
I've got a question bout 2nd Boss in RLP, is the damage from her tankbuster magic or physical? Or is it the debuff that just hits you hard? Did her on 18 and most of them just slowly drained my HP but then one almost oneshot me
honest vale
How is kurogs trinket
Good damage in AoE, but it can only proc once every 30s minimum.
quiet hearth
where would rank in terms of bis
honest vale
And you need to dodge/parry an attack to trigger it.
quiet hearth
or is raid ones still better
sick sentinel
So what would you say is a good swap? using Decoration and ruby whelp shellright now
honest vale
So, if you're not actively tanking Kurog's trinket is giving you 0 value.
sick sentinel
for keys*
craggy pilot
where would rank in terms of bis
isnt this from a M0? 🤔
honest vale
So what would you say is a good swap? using Decoration and ruby whelp shellright...
There are definitely better options than Ruby Shell. If you're going for more damage, then Hoof (also from Life Pools) is great.
honest vale
If you want more defense, then probably Scale from Nokhud, although you don't get to control the proc on Scale.
honest vale
all non M+ dungeons is invalid for bis?
Invalid on the fact that you get so many more ilvls from M+ and 0s are capped at 372 for now. That trinket will be available in season 2, if you really enjoy it.
quiet hearth
i prefer others my brother is also a prot warrior and claiming its bis just due the fact of absorb trying to figure out from the people that know warriors best
warm plinth
We don't need defensive trinkets
And as good as the offensive trinkets are this season, it's silly to waste a slot on a defensive trinket.
quiet crane
honestly just use decoration and call it a day if you want a defensive trinket
It’s incredibly strong both offensively and defensively
warm plinth
Yeah at least you get real damage out of that (as opposed to the fake damage from the splinter)
craggy pilot
anyone can link me the co-tank wa?
warm plinth
assuming splinter is still showing as your damage anyway
sick sentinel
what should i craft after lariat?
honest vale
what should i craft after lariat?
Shield or weapon.
warm plinth
which you should have crafted before lariat
compact jackal
Is 16 fort TOJS worth grabbing spell block for?
warm plinth
Probably
compact jackal
What am I even blocking there?
honest vale
Yes.
compact jackal
Sha packs?
warm plinth
Dark Claw and the 3rd boss tankbuster
quiet hearth
i was goign with deco and nokhud offense for mine
warm plinth
i was goign with deco and nokhud offense for mine
hoof?
quiet hearth
battle scale
honest vale
Hoof is RLP.
quiet crane
Hoof is really good to bad drops from one of the worst fucking dungeons to do on a high key
warm plinth
Oh, right
warm plinth
Brain went centaurs, hoof, nokhud
honest vale
🤣
warm plinth
scale is alright I suppose. But I still feel like you're erring too much on the defensive side of things
We're one of, if not the, tankiest tank so prioritizing trinkets with defensive effects is just weird
honest vale
Scale does damage, just not as much as its competitors. Also, it mitigates way more than its competition.
quiet hearth
im currently using these
ionic roost
i was goign with deco and nokhud offense for mine
Nokhud trinket not working on all bosses is aids tho
ionic roost
The Little centaur guy can't hit spider boss or terros
honest vale
And you have Leech on the scale? Dayum!
ionic roost
oh melee attacks
Oh you meant the scale not the Hooves
I'm sure scale works on all bosses
quiet hearth
Oh you meant the scale not the Hooves
correct
ionic roost
Hooves doesn't work on all bosses
quiet hearth
awe
sick sentinel
where am i supposed to get the items to craft higher than 392 or whatever
don't mean like r3 ores
ionic roost
Doing endgame content
warm plinth
Primal Focus (405) is from 11-15 dungeons
Concentrated Primal Focus (418) is from 16+ dungeons
quiet hearth
the Primal infusion comes from heroic raids or getts max rank with a faction or M+10-15
warm plinth
Primal Focus also drops from heroic and Concentrated from Mythic (raids)
warm plinth
You're doing great sweetie
honest vale
I tried timing an 11 RLP last night, didn't go super well.
sick sentinel
well FML
honest vale
Would have timed it if there weren't so many butt pulls in the first hallway.
honest vale
You need to climb even higher if you want the mount.
sick sentinel
auugghhh
okay then i understand now
so, do you guys run intervene in your keys? +10 affix counter
honest vale
Nope, I skip that shit.
tawny kiln
honest vale
🤣
slim dove
so, do you guys run intervene in your keys? +10 affix counter
must take for fenryr (hov), otherwise preference.
honest vale
Are you talking for Scent of Blood?
torpid bloom
how goodo is ravager can i skip it?
honest vale
Ideally no.
limber flame
must take for fenryr (hov), otherwise preference.
ah shit its that good in HOV? for the scent of blood phase?
slim dove
ah shit its that good in HOV? for the scent of blood phase?
yup
limber flame
what you taking out for it? booming?
warm plinth
what you taking out for it? booming?
Bounding Stride or Intimidating Shout or Pain and Gain
slim dove
my group has enough stops
limber flame
ye my group braindead no stops
limber flame
ye my group too used to spamming their stops off the rip
warm plinth
Enh shaman is actually giga fun too. I have only played it to level but yeah, it was really fun
limber flame
so stun DR like right away kek
slim dove
ye my group too used to spamming their stops off the rip
yeah as tank ive just taken the role of calling for stops
limber flame
ye thats what i need to do, partially pugging my runs so 
warm plinth
Mages aren't very common these days though I suppose, outside of Arcane for raid
limber flame
ye thats a lot of aoe stuns i like it
slim dove
ww usually plays rogue but switches daily cuz adhd
lofty fjord
Hello, how do you guys handle piercing shards from the small rock trash mobs at azure vaults? 2 at the same time kills me instantly in 15+ keys
limber flame
i feel like you could go -shockwave and keep fear tho right?
slim dove
Hello, how do you guys handle piercing shards from the small rock trash mobs at ...
purge them. stun them.
warm plinth
Hello, how do you guys handle piercing shards from the small rock trash mobs at ...
Storm Bolt, shockwave, fear, group stops
slim dove
do not throw stuns willy-nilly at the arcane furie rock golems
warm plinth
Fire him
warm plinth
He knows he can wait til it's safer before accepting right 🙃
slim dove
thats what my dps do
limber flame
just told him to play First person mode
neon elk
Guys quickly
honest vale
Dude, do people not bait clones on Advisor?
limber flame
we told him to wait till he is casting blade surge bro
neon elk
If i need token in raid, can i trade it if i dont open it ?
limber flame
dps brain
honest vale
Literally stack those bitches up and never deal with lines again.
limber flame
we baited clones he still got hit bro
warm plinth
If i need token in raid, can i trade it if i dont open it ?
AFAIK anything can be traded in raid now?
honest vale
we baited clones he still got hit bro
Oh, then insert your PFP as my reaction here.
neon elk
Not sure , doesnt wana screw mate up, but wana help him win roll
limber flame
KEKW
honest vale
Not sure about token.
Hopefully it's not something like, "This token generates into an item that is higher ilvl than yours, so it's bop."
Maybe that was only a restriction under PL.
honest vale
I haven't checked keys, but I'm not running any tonight, so can't confirm.
warm plinth
Keys you definitely still have to have that item at same or higher ilevel first
honest vale
Such a lame restriction. :l
warm plinth
It is indeed
Honestly it would be nice if they just removed it for like shields/weapons/trinkets
sly plume
Does anyone know if armor spikes or frostbite + broodkeeper ring is better?
warm plinth
Does anyone know if armor spikes or frostbite + broodkeeper ring is better?
The latter probably
slim dove
Does anyone know if armor spikes or frostbite + broodkeeper ring is better?
latter
belt/ring is huge.
sly plume
Ty guys
slim dove
like 3k dps on its own iirc
bronze kestrel
Hey guys, what’s the average cd of shield wall with near 100% uptime hitting a target?
warm plinth
Hey guys, what’s the average cd of shield wall with near 100% uptime hitting a t...
a minute and a half-ish?
sly plume
So lariat ring frostbite would be bis?
limber flame
ye prolly
bronze kestrel
a minute and a half-ish?
Cool ty
compact jackal
THIRD BOSS YOU SAY
warm plinth
So lariat ring frostbite would be bis?
The ring + belt is probably bis damage-wise assuming the ring isn't like LFR or something
compact jackal
spell block did nothing to jade ass reamer
limber flame
ye it dont lol
warm plinth
It blocks the initial hit of jade serpent kick
limber flame
spell reflect on flame jade
compact jackal
SR does too
warm plinth
Sure but what's wrong with having multiple CDs?
compact jackal
the initial isn't the scary part lol
limber flame
double shield wall for jade phase ez
warm plinth
I'm aware but if you can mitigate the up front damage you're higher HP when you have the absorb.
compact jackal
only time it almost came useful was the last pack
Tough as Nails my old friend, never leave me again.
lofty fjord
Ohh and in temple of the jade serpent the 3rd boss why does she give a really hard hitting dot
Im a dh tank main then switch to prot warrior because i keep dying
limber flame
initial hit of jade phase does a hit + dot + healing absorb
limber flame
ye so you can rotate shield reflect + shield wall
frosty verge
isn't it a spell that you can tackle with spell block + shield block? spell reflect (20% magic dmg reduction) + ignore pain typically enough to cover it during For in +14 / +15 too.
honest vale
Tank her next to a wall and just Block / Reflect her cast.
frosty verge
Hey folks, I have kind of a generic question. How do you improve in higher keys? I've climbed up to +14 / +15 and getting complaints that I do not track party CDs or pull small / inappropriate with CDs, but big pulls are often gamble.
lofty fjord
Thank you for all the tips, I will try in my next run
edgy grail
You should be able to combine many different ones
DPS having Cooldowns enables you to do stuff you wouldn’t normally be able to
warm plinth
Hey folks, I have kind of a generic question. How do you improve in higher keys?...
You should be able to time 14/15s without doing anything crazy like giga pulls anyway
But OmniCD might help you
You can customize what it shows so it only shows major CDs if you want
edgy grail
Get an automarker as well
warm plinth
Except Azure Vault, that timer is pretty tight
frosty verge
Do you know what cast to int on every pull you make?
More or less, yes. I have like 5 interrupts (w/ fear, shout and shockwave), but it's often not enough, e.g. in Halls there are 2 casters pack that just do not die quick enough or casters in Nokhund.
grim nimbus
hey guys ! until what gap of haste you wanna do stop adding haste ?
slim dove
More or less, yes. I have like 5 interrupts (w/ fear, shout and shockwave), but ...
are your dps pressing kick?
its not solely your job to provide stops
edgy grail
Like for example HoV everything up to the dragon should be 1 pull
Since everyone has CDs
honest vale
Thank you for all the tips, I will try in my next run
As for DH, you would need to have weaved Demon Spikes, Fiery Brand, and Fel Devastation in and rotate them to help survive the damage. DH already has solid magic damage reduction.
edgy grail
I get an automarker and I assign the marker to one of my (pref melee) dps
limber flame
Except Azure Vault, that timer is pretty tight
ye that timer is so strict
feels like 1 wipe is gg key
honest vale
But you can always ask in the DH class Discord for extra tips / assistance.
fossil vapor
hey do more damage the spike embellishment on shield? or the one on the one hand weapon?
frosty verge
its not solely your job to provide stops
Sometimes :). But it's not only interrupts. Let me re-phrase: I feel like in higher keys I need to do "meta" management much better than in lower keys and I'm getting flak for this, but I'm not sure how to improve without ruining keys left and right.
lyric aurora
Get an automarker as well
Do you have a suggestion for favorite one?
honest vale
More or less, yes. I have like 5 interrupts (w/ fear, shout and shockwave), but ...
Can you LoS said caster packs so they all clump up and DPS can pull out all the stops and rip?
limpid anchor
Do you have a suggestion for favorite one?
I have 4 marks bound on alt 1-4 and tell people what their mark is to interrupt, just for very specific casts
Really dislike auto mark
honest vale
Works for stuff that doesn't need a kick rotation.
honest vale
I'm 99% sure that's false, but I can't think of any abilities off-shield.
warm plinth
I mark my own kicks. My marker for my group is Triangle so my group knows if I mark a triangle that it's my responsibility
limpid anchor
Max the thunder guys in halls
But there are only 1-2 per pull, making it easy to interrupt
honest vale
I mean, don't get me wrong, it's a better system than no system. No system means people are going to overlap kicks and then you're left without them and shit goes off.
warm plinth
Except constructs on cos
Thundercallers in Halls, Constructs in CoS, Dominators in SBG (rending voidlash), there's probably more I'm missing.
limpid anchor
The dominators don’t need interrupts
honest vale
Why are you kicking Dominators in SBG?
limpid anchor
Except 1
honest vale
We usually kick them one at a time.
craggy halo
Is it worth crafting the lariat in 418 when you've got the court of stars neck in 408?
warm plinth
Idk, do you have a good shield/weapon?
warm plinth
Can make 418 of those first
honest vale
iLvl is usually the best contender for deciding upgrades, just FYI. @craggy halo
warm plinth
Lariat isn't a requirement by any means
But it is the best necklace you can possibly get
craggy halo
alright
warm plinth
Weapon and shield are far more important though
honest vale
Don't be like me, rocking a 359 shield in 10+ keys. It sucks.
craggy halo
XD, well then it's between weapon or shield then
mighty valley
Geeze, you could craft a way better shield than that for nothing
warm plinth
As far as the dominators, we haven't been kicking them but I imagine on higher keys you might have to because the adds with them will start to truck you
At least that's my assumption
honest vale
Geeze, you could craft a way better shield than that for nothing
Yeah, gonna work on that after I write some code tonight.
warm plinth
yeah
craggy halo
So i guess ill craft the shield first
since it's the least item level
of them both
limpid anchor
As far as the dominators, we haven't been kicking them but I imagine on higher k...
Idk what higher keys are
mighty valley
shield first is a decent rule of thumb basically always
limpid anchor
But generally no
honest vale
Yeah, I thought not kicking them at all was the move, but it turned out my warlock suffers when she can't use her Blasphemy since it stuns on land.
warm plinth
Like once people are doing 20s regularly
craggy halo
What stat should i put in the shield, just haste vers like regulary?
warm plinth
Yeah, it's bullshit how much that cast does when they also cast dominate so often
limpid anchor
Ye
warm plinth
What stat should i put in the shield, just haste vers like regulary?
haste/vers or haste/crit
limpid anchor
Nice skip
craggy halo
How much vers do you even wanna have?
warm plinth
There's no fixed amount. You can have 0
limpid anchor
Vers is optional
warm plinth
it doesn't matter
lusty tiger
Wtf happened?
honest vale
Did you all run off immediately? Like, how did that happen? @brave temple
warm plinth
Idk we always run off immediately and never seen that happen
brave temple
and we didnt notice it didnt apply to be killed
and then we killed last one
and we didnt get the chest
honest vale
Wise Mari's second bug of the season, with the first being an invisible Wash Away. 🤣
limpid anchor
Did you all run off immediately? Like, how did that happen? <@280459024317808648...
The dungeons are just buggy af