protection

[floral moon]

ok so need to find a log with 2 separate non primary gem

[marble cipher]

Can't stack anymore since that change afaik

[formal raptor]

Guys what do u think, which one is need to first upgraded to 418 first ?

[jovial birch]

Ok so I should regem

[wide charm]

what is the combined uptime ?

[reef holly]

Anyone else finding themselves in d stance more often than not? Pugs only

[tranquil yarrow]

going one fierce two crafty @jovial birch?

[jovial birch]

I will check

[bronze delta]

How do you deal with this f__er?
Especially in last trash (before last boss there are 3 at once)

[oak echo]

reflect claw

then stun it when reflect isn't up

[wide charm]

cc

[jovial birch]

28% uptime across all 3 on terros

[floral moon]

similar to just 1 then

[wide charm]

yeah so no need

[jovial birch]

So yes mainstat gem and then two haste crit is what I’m going to change to

[formal raptor]

noone ?

[sharp bone]

so if you have all haste you get more haste uptime total?

[light blaze]

why haste crit instead of verse? i assume just based on your own stat weights?

[tranquil yarrow]

ok ok

[boreal bolt]

reflect spell block

[jovial birch]

Yeah I’ve been stacking crit I don’t feel I need to be more “tanky”

I’m at like 28% haste, 22% crit, 11% vers or something like that.

[floral moon]

crit sims higher

[tranquil yarrow]

damn, you cant ask for gem quality through crafting order?

[floral moon]

i might swap some to crit as well

[oak echo]

you can't ask for any quality if it's public

[light blaze]

I'm 29% Haste, 10% Verse, 15% crit right now. 24% mastery due to some meh m+ pieces.

[tranquil yarrow]

ahhh makes sense, thank you

[oak echo]

if it's private you can still do quality on gems

[frank spire]

is there any compiled list with recommended talent swaps for each dungeon?

[tranquil yarrow]

did a public order and some king gave me a tier 3 crafty, lego

[chilly brook]

Spoiler alert crit works out to be roughly similar to vers mitigation wise in m+

[steady steppe]

why does it say my mast is 20% when i have 1000

[cold pollen]

where can i ask for prot war advice ? don't wanna spam the chan, and I am aware of the pins

[chilly brook]

Wdym

[chilly brook]

Here

[steady steppe]

cause my verse is 2k and it says 10%

[oak echo]

asking for advice is exactly what the channel is for

[chilly brook]

Yea

Stats don’t scale the same

[floral moon]

stats dont have the same scaling

[steady steppe]

ok i see

[chilly brook]

You also start with a specific % of mastery even if you had 0

[oak echo]

on top of that mastery stacks differently for every spec

[chilly brook]

It’s spec and class dependent

[sick sentinel]

slightly fast now

[steady steppe]

64gb LOL

[jovial birch]

That’s a lot of RAM!

[light blaze]

so the tl;dr is I can just sim for max dps and it will work out roughly the same in survivability (in terms of stacking vers as an alternative) for purely M+?

[chilly brook]

RAM RANCH

[fossil vapor]

craft sword/axe/mace don't change anything rigth?

[chilly brook]

Not necessarily

[jovial birch]

Yeah you will be good with low verse until maybe really high M+

[sharp bone]

time to multibox again

[chilly brook]

But crit is roughly equal to vers in m+ because the majority of damage you take is melee

[tawny kiln]

128G or riot

[jovial birch]

Shit doesn’t do as much damage when it’s dead faster

[chilly brook]

You’d be fine not stacking vers for high keys

[sick sentinel]

it actually is gay ram

RGB

rgb AF

[chilly brook]

We’ve had several people push high keys in past xpacs without vers

[tawny kiln]

the RGB makes it clock 2% faster

[sharp bone]

8.3 would like a word

[sick sentinel]

well no, thats uhhhhhh lets se...

[chilly brook]

The overvaluing of vers is such a meme

[sick sentinel]

i think it was either 21333mhz and now its 3600

so

[vernal vale]

I currently have like 8% verse lol.

[sacred remnant]

What are everyones fav trinks for pushing higher keys?

[cinder storm]

I'm stacking haste/crit (trying to) this season, f vers

[chilly brook]

8.3 was the worst patch of people stacking shit they didn’t need

“Oh I need 80% vers for my weekly no leaver 15”

Instead of just running TD7 and deleting the key

[sick sentinel]

im using this 64 gb ram to replace my 32 gb ram

[chilly brook]

[sick sentinel]

wasn't enough

[chilly brook]

Like you legit didn’t need vers in 8.3 unless you just were getting one shot

[steady steppe]

idk what ur doing for 32gb to not be enough ram

[light blaze]

ty @chilly brook. I assume for enchants, its the usual leech/strength on bracers/chest/cloak/boots, armor kits on legs and then sim rings?

[chilly brook]

Enchants idk tbh

[modern brook]

Mr streamer had verse stacking and leech so ur wrong get owned lmao

[drifting pecan]

What’s a good amount of haste? Like 26 without buff from talent?

[chilly brook]

Whatever the guides say for enchants

[modern brook]

Haste always good

[chilly brook]

All the haste

[jovial birch]

Waking stats on chest, Stam on boots, leech on cloak, haste on rings, armor kit on legs

[modern brook]

ITF is multiplicative

[chilly brook]

Until about 40% unbuffed

[sick sentinel]

ITF is really good is what it is

[light blaze]

tyty

[drifting pecan]

So if there’s haste in a piece of gear fuck all the rest just equip it up

Alright 🤣

[modern brook]

No

[sick sentinel]

no

[chilly brook]

Still has value past 40% but not as much as other stats at that point

[sharp bone]

ilvl>stats

[chilly brook]

Equip ilvl

[sick sentinel]

ilvl first, unless ring cuz rings don't have str

[chilly brook]

Get haste if you can at same ilvl

If not just use what you got

Enjoy

Press buttons better

Stats won’t save you

[floral moon]

That’s the true meme is trying to pick haste over ilvl ever

[oak echo]

leech on bracers as well

[sick sentinel]

weapon/shield slot >>>> ilvl, >>>>str >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> haste >>>>> versa/crit (your choice >>>>>>>>>>>> mastery

[chilly brook]

Huh

[sick sentinel]

thats the order left to right to shoot for

[chilly brook]

Why did you include weapon/shield in that

[tawny kiln]

where does pushing buttons go into the order

[chilly brook]

It’s implied in ilvl

[sick sentinel]

thats your priority list when gearing to know if its better for you or not

[oak echo]

well except ilvl and str mean the same thing

[chilly brook]

But those are gear

And ilvl is implied in gear

And so is strength

[sharp bone]

you forgot lariat for this patch

[sick sentinel]

rings do not have str per ilvl and necks might not i think, and some trinkets have random stats on them

so, you could maybe drop ilvl on a ring for haste

[chilly brook]

Jewelry and trinkets are the only things where ilvl isn’t king

So it doesn’t even apply to the chart

Although you could also just blindly equip ilvl on rings and necks and still be fine and do well

[light blaze]

last q. y'all dumping 3rd spark in to shield if you don't have a good one? I crafted lariat / 1h with first two. Only got a 389 vers/mastery shield, so was going to dump the embellishment from the 1h and craft a new shield @ 405.

[sick sentinel]

also, on slots with small stat budgets, wrists haste versa would less dmg to your performance than equipping a chest with mastery crit

[chilly brook]

And generally more stats>less stats

[chilly brook]

Wut

Sorry but that’s not how that works

[sick sentinel]

if you had to swap at same ilvl on wrists, it wouldn't be as bad as if you had to do it on chest

[cinder storm]

its redundant but its not wrong

[sick sentinel]

because chest has like, 300 300 stats, wrist has like, 125 125

[chilly brook]

You swapping out a chest vs swapping out wrists is hardly going to have any meaningfully noticeable difference

Don’t overthink it

Ilvl>”better stats”

Just leave it at that

[cinder storm]

But chest does have a higher stat budget if we are going to nitpick

[chilly brook]

Sure

[subtle nymph]

Hey guys what do you think bout this trinket ?
Need to up smth with valor so just asking if it's worth

[cinder storm]

But you are right, better to simplify things, ilvl first

[tranquil yarrow]

can I take out my fierce illimited in my lariat to try and have it recrafted at a higher lvl?

[chilly brook]

It’s meh

[cinder storm]

I got it and its meh

[chilly brook]

You don’t “need” to upgrade anything

[subtle nymph]

Meh then

[cinder storm]

Only other trinket I've gotten is the box from AA that you have to hit balls, that one sucks too

[subtle nymph]

Thanks

[sick sentinel]

me personally i would love to try that trinket, but i aint got it yet

[chilly brook]

I would say you probably shouldn’t upgrade anything this early in the season

[sick sentinel]

normally i like to find 2 really good automatic proc trinkets

and then that takes alot of stress of when to use trinket in a dungeon off

[sharp bone]

does about 0.7-1.2% of my dmg in keys when i tested

[subtle nymph]

Doesn't seems bad, but the raid trinket are just too powerfull

[sick sentinel]

valor grinding aint worth it yet chief

[chilly brook]

Valor is finite, and it’s best used to fill lacking slots later on in a tier/season especially now with being able to actually upgrade m+ gear to mythic raid ilvl

At least imo

[sick sentinel]

any word on if/when uncapped valor?

and i wonder if this will be a repeating thing in DF, new m+, 6 weeks after new raid, armor set changer thing and then uncappped valor last 3/rd 1/2 of season

[cinder storm]

usually close to the end of the season

[sick sentinel]

so its like, you want to get some set armor? go do the raid, thats a good system

[subtle nymph]

Nah in january u can craft it

just like SL

[sharp bone]

at least tier can come from gv for now

[subtle nymph]

And u can be lucky and got some piece in your vault

so

[sharp bone]

not that our tier does that much past 2 set but still

[subtle nymph]

Btw for the craft item, what do you upgrade first 418, Lariat or weapon ?

Wanna go for weapon but the lariat stats are huge

[floral moon]

Wep imo

[chilly brook]

Personally I’d do lariat

But that’s me

[light blaze]

are you pushing your wep without an embellishment on it to make room for shield or belt? (after lariat)?

[chilly brook]

Good jewelry is harder to come by imo than a high ilvl weapon

You’re usually more picky about jewelry

[craggy pilot]

anyone tried out any of the Tinker sockets?

[sick sentinel]

oy thats gunna piss me offf

[sharp bone]

lariat is the plan for me aswell, since it wont be replaced by an equal ilvl neck this patch - if unnerfed

[sick sentinel]

rainbow puke ram and i have to figure out how to change its color

[subtle nymph]

Nah i guess im just dumb, i looked at the high RIO war and but embelish on the weapon

[light blaze]

I did the exact same but now trying to figure out wtf to do with spark 3 lmao

[subtle nymph]

xDD

[chilly brook]

Realistically it won’t matter

Outside of lariat embellishments are really close

[cinder storm]

Top war plays with top players, even if what he uses is bis, doesnt mean its going to work for you

[dark shard]

I’m upping lariat first on all my characters. It’s too good

[subtle nymph]

The thing is, got 402 ilvl and i have a shield 372, shouldn't craft the weapon that fast

[light blaze]

is ok I got a 1h wep on the first run after crafting my wep

[subtle nymph]

Lmao

We can equip how many crafted sparks item? Is there a limit or ?

[light blaze]

only 2 embellished

[subtle nymph]

zzz

[light blaze]

I don't think frostfire is worth for me as I got the 411 heroic piece. only a 389 shield

gonna just gut call it and craft a new shield and swap to the algather 1h at an equal ilvl

[subtle nymph]

Yeah that's smart

[sharp bone]

but can equip more spark items without embellish (can also remove an embellish through recrafting)

[inner halo]

I'm seeing guides/reddit saying to not spend rage on Revenge at all, and only use IP. Is that correct? Even if I am IP capped, I should be pressing IP instead of Revenge?

[subtle nymph]

Really we can remove it ? thanks bro, big help there

[sharp bone]

yeah for instance on shield, unsure about waist or lariat where it comes baseline with the embellish though

like in the recraft window you can righr click the embellish scroll to "remove it" on the recraft

[subtle nymph]

Ok ok, just had to remove the embelish on my weapon then

[humble ferry]

Does anyone know which safety component is best in bracer to make battle ress fail less?

[cinder storm]

Having points in engineering makes it safer iirc

[balmy pawn]

anyone around to review some Prot logs for me? Just trying to see where I can improve a bit

[limpid anchor]

What

[umbral cave]

So is there a way to delete imported builds? i have multiple "Raid" entries now

[limpid anchor]

Who says that

[tawny kiln]

I think you can only remove the embellish on items that don't naturally have embellishments btw

[cinder storm]

I don't think any guide says that

[willow marsh]

Hi which items i should craft with procc? i have only neck now

[cinder storm]

They can't say that....amirite

[grave crane]

There’s a setting button to the right of the build and there’s a delete button there

[limpid anchor]

Yes, there’s a button when you select the loadout

[inner halo]

"Ignore Pain is your main spender. Even if you are capped on IP you dump rage into it as it fuels your Outburst and your Avatar/Wall CD reduction through Anger Management." - From the reddit tank post today. And saw similar statements lately.

[cinder storm]

Ah, reddit

[limpid anchor]

That’s wrong then

[cinder storm]

There you have it

[grave crane]

That’s not saying to ignore revenge

[limpid anchor]

Your main spender is revenge / execute

And ip to not overcap or when you need def

[grave crane]

Agreed but your main rage dump to keep from over capping rage is ip

[limpid anchor]

Yes

[sharp bone]

yeah theres a node in the engi tree which prevents "critical failures" - it can still fail but not backfire with that afaik

[umbral cave]

Thanks, was just not even seeing it at first!

[grave crane]

No problem bud the new ui takes some getting used to

[inner halo]

Alright cool thats what I've been doing. Use IP if not it won't over cap, otherwise use Revenge if I have extra rage.

[slim dove]

nokgud feels so bad this week

fucking mobs standing in sanguine for 6 years

[limpid anchor]

Just fear

[jagged pier]

Longbow man need to be dealt with first

[cinder storm]

That's a dps issue

[jagged pier]

Kinda funny

[slim dove]

ITS ALWAYS A DPS ISSUE

[jagged pier]

Ppl told me dungeons werent gunna be bad this week

[cinder storm]

When sanguine if one mob moves and 3 does not, focus target that does not moves

[jagged pier]

[cinder storm]

But dps dont think

They zug zug

[slim dove]

nothing hurts, everythings a joke besides a few bosses

but dps just zug and zug

dh uses boon beside war stomp and goes ??? when he dies

BRO

[sharp bone]

druids and monks are your friends this week

[slim dove]

I cannot find a monk to save my life and the one i was playing with fucked off back to classic

[cinder storm]

Its your fault bro, you should have explain them at the start of the key what mobs to focus, link your route, link spells to kick, and remind them of their utilities

[slim dove]

did a 16 this AM, warlock didnt have weakaura, ran from me with storming, ports as i intercept him

we die, wipe ??? from azralon blood elf warlock

[cinder storm]

One thing I hate from thundering is the hitbox is so small, like even if you run on top of people sometimes it doesnt triggers, but then, you have a dh dashing away from you, and the healer too worried about keeping people alive

[limpid anchor]

Gid gud

[tawny kiln]

thundering makes me want to spec into intervene

[cinder storm]

ha!

[tawny kiln]

just to catch DPS

[limpid anchor]

Fucking tanks l2p

[oblique kayak]

love people whispering me when i have a key open „bro invite me - got giga-dick-Dps. Anal you so hard“ no that’s not a joke

[cinder storm]

Or they link achievs

[oblique kayak]

got linked a lvl70 yesterday

helps a lot to filter them out though XD

[cinder storm]

Love it when they get mad when you decline them

[hollow kestrel]

Craft 405 Belt or Helm?

[cinder storm]

I relist...insta ????

Like, who are you

[cinder storm]

You got shield and weapon crafted?

[hollow kestrel]

not shield, my m+ shield is 395, and you get 411 from hc, so i was thinking maybe the embellished waist or helm was better? @cinder storm

[oblique kayak]

declined a 389 to a 20 - „bro- i times a +12“

can’t make that shit up

[cinder storm]

I believe you

[hollow kestrel]

and i actually cant upgrade my shield to 398 or 402 this week as well with valor, but what do people do here? the embellishment on the helm and waist is pretyy good as well

[oak echo]

i did lariat + fangs 🤷‍♂️

[cinder storm]

You want to avoid tier slots, that said, you can craft your weapon. Waist is more like if you have the ring to combo it

[hollow kestrel]

true, i got 3 pieces atm

I have the weapon and lariat atm

[cinder storm]

I'd honestly, if I were you, would just farm primal infusion and target a higher ilvl shield

[oblique kayak]

👆

[gloomy seal]

Does anyone have a WA to track All Totem procs?

[gaunt plinth]

What u guys think of that tank trinket first boss worth or nah ? "defensive" wise

[zinc spruce]

In what offensive abilities do you guys dump your rage in ST

[neat wagon]

Hello all! Raid related question: So on Dathea u swap at 3 stacks right? But sometimes after my co-tank take the boss after I reach 3 stack I get the 4th stack and get knocked the hell away? Any experienc with that or advice?

[rough solar]

What's the smart way to spend Valor points? I haven't played since early BFA and I'm not familiar with the system

[gloomy seal]

Even with a 4 stack you can charge/shield slam back quick.

As soon as it comes and you take the stack you have to instant charge back though or you're in space.

[severe hatch]

I found it easiest to swap at 4 stacks, however this only works if you can survive the 4th slam E.G. charge, death's advance

[plush tendon]

spend on strong trinkets (windscar) or rings (like AA ring from CoS). Otherwise save for later use once creation forge comes out for tier. Then use valor to sure up any remaining weak slots

combine valor use with spark of ingenuities to gear out toon

[plush tendon]

be quick on the charge and you should be able to survive even a 5 stack hit

herioc leap also viable

[severe hatch]

Yep I just can't imagine where you need to survive past 4, maybe the mythic fight changes things

[sterile bough]

according to guides

[neat wagon]

Just be very quick! 🙂 Thy for the answers guys 🙂

[lethal swift]

Quick question, where are you guys getting the most up to date routes for m+? Like for example routes that include that last boss skip for Nokund Offensive.

[plush tendon]

we are Haste Crit fans in here

[severe hatch]

Honestly just watching streamers and quazii's 1 minute M+ tips on youtube

[plush tendon]

there is a explanation on what each stat does for us

[cinder storm]

Most dungeons are hold W

[sterile bough]

both are good stats

[plush tendon]

vers is still good, but we prefer damage

[sterile bough]

only mastery is poopoo

[rough solar]

Thank you very much

[plush tendon]

mastery was only good when we had triple bastion of mights

I miss that

[sterile bough]

when im getting tank buster for full IP and 80% health

[plush tendon]

can we get that back Ion?

[sterile bough]

I kinda want the vers ;s

[cinder storm]

But you can always check plka or dorki's and modify some routes as you see fit

[plush tendon]

no amount of vers will save you

also, what tank buster is doing that to you?

[sterile bough]

half tank busters on 21s+

[silent anchor]

with 2pc do you even wanna play sudden death anymore in raid?

[proud dock]

bro idk about u guys but dorkis routes never work for me, i import and its never 100% or something else is really weirx

[sterile bough]

but I dont even have 2 set yet maby the 5% dmg reduciton will help

copium

[carmine rain]

Is 4 set super strong? From how I'm interpretating it, it looks really strong

[tired pivot]

Vers is really good, there is no such thing as "we want damage over tankyness"

[sterile bough]

didnt work for me as well

[plush tendon]

I mean, I can think of a number of tank busters, and a lot of them you just rotate CDs for

[proud dock]

🤷🏾‍♂️

[carmine rain]

Especially in m+ where you pump heavy aoe damage for more ignore pain

[plush tendon]

and you arent stacking vers to any significant level where it will actually make a difference of whether you live or die

[silent anchor]

execute with 2pc?

[cinder storm]

I got to 60 stacks on AA tree boss, I spammed IP and didnt die, that was fun

[sterile bough]

how bruh

1 tick is 400k

or sth

[cinder storm]

idk

[plush tendon]

spam IP

😄

[sterile bough]

maby u got detoxed

[cinder storm]

I stop pressing other things for IP

[dense hound]

just saw an protw with molten dagger equipped; secret 5Head strats inc ?

[light blaze]

@jovial birch should I trust this? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ktW8gfEhQ17gCgwTdztziB for lariat? leaning in to you ridea of more crit and sim supports it surprisingly.

[cinder storm]

nope, run with disc, no detox on grp

[plush tendon]

I saw a fury warrior with int swords

[sterile bough]

disco has posion dispell

[cinder storm]

not mine

[dense hound]

🧠

[cinder storm]

[plush tendon]

I would generally say haste is best

[cinder storm]

but really, which talent? mine told me priest dont have poison dispel

[plush tendon]

but I also trust sims....

I think your sim is gaslighting me

[light blaze]

my sim is confusing the hella out me

[plush tendon]

just to be safe, Id go haste heavy crit light gems

that seems to be the damage play

I just cant imagine going for not haste until you get to those high Diminishing Returns

[sterile bough]

acutally they dont wtf

[proud dock]

anyone have an OmniCD profile setup to show relevant CDs a tank would need to see about their team for m+? i have mostly offensive CD on show but its pretty lengthy for some class/specs

[sterile bough]

they had it in shadowlands

[cinder nova]

I finally got a 411 Strike Twice

I'm so happy QQ

[plush tendon]

[hazy sluice]

Ruby Double shield wall or spell block needed ?

[cinder nova]

What level

[plush tendon]

Double Shield Wall I dont think so

but spell block might be swag

[cinder nova]

tbh I wouldn't even take spell block, but that's me

[cinder storm]

yeah, it sucks, we have to rotate ccs and I have to jump, often times, by the time I jump, boss is casting second germinate and everyone is trying to chase me. All it takes is one misplay, I could inv a monk but a dps using detox is 50/50

[sick sentinel]

What's the proper prot rotation

[cinder nova]

[sick sentinel]

In mmmmcheck the oins

Yeh I figured

[cinder nova]

Also it's more of a priority, rather than a rotation.

[sick sentinel]

Is the information up to date. I was asking more for dps part

[cinder nova]

More or less.

• Use Shield Slam on CD
• Press TC when it's up
• Press Revenge when TC and Shield Slam are down
• Use IP to avoid capping
• Use DPS coolies liberally

It changes slightly with cleave, sudden death, and show of force.

But the principles are pretty much the same.

[sick sentinel]

Should I be doing shield block on cds or just when needed

[cinder nova]

You want it up when you're tanking, using shield slam for damage, and ideally when you're at 2 charges regardless of tanking or not.

You never want to have it sitting there.

Try not to spam out your block casts.

[placid oar]

Hi guys, I am pretty new to Halls of Valor since i did not play that expansion. I understand that the shield maidens "Brew" attack can be totally avoided by me moving away from them. Is it wrong if i was actually moving and kiting them so they miss that attack or should i actually just stand there and tank the hits?

[cinder nova]

They CD sequentially, not concurrently.

Since all our specs also give block uptime with Shield Charge you're using it on CD to pad out block.

[sick sentinel]

Avatar on start if pulls ir save

[cinder nova]

On CD.

[sick sentinel]

Ok good

[craggy pilot]

man...

fuck me

[cinder storm]

They have a frontal, be careful how you kite

[stiff gate]

I usually face tank until I have a few stacks. At the point where I feel like I will need to swap to D Stance or use a major cooldown I will start backpedaling until I drop stacks then plant again.

[placid oar]

okay, thanks guys

[cinder nova]

You're literally throwing your DPS CDs as they come, tbh. The only time you aren't is when packs are close to death and it'd be a waste. No point in tossing Ravager on a bunch of mobs at 10% or less unless they're gonna be alive for the majority of the duration.

[placid oar]

yea i was back paddling and moving so much that the melees were not behind the adds and took quite a few hits. Not the best experience but i will learn

[cinder nova]

Same with Demoralizing Shout.

[placid oar]

really appreciate the advices

[umbral crest]

How big is 4pc for prot warr? worth dropping like 10-15 ilvl on the pieces?

[cinder nova]

No.

Tier almost across the board is nominal benefit.

It's not bad, but it's not like SFO tier.

[plush tendon]

4 piece is super underwhelming

[cinder nova]

It's not a game-changer. You could do this entire raid tier up to Mythic and the entire season w/o a set bonus and be fine.

It's actually very good.

[umbral crest]

But say I have 402, is it worth going 389?

[plush tendon]

if you raiding, your raid would give you tier last

thats how meh it is

[cinder nova]

It generates IP, which synergizes with BrV.

But it's not 10-15 ilvls good.

[umbral crest]

kk

[plush tendon]

If it put a number on it.... 2 I level

[cinder nova]

Feelycraft.

[plush tendon]

maybe 2.37 I level

[cinder nova]

It's a lot more survival than 2 ilvls, but it's not enough survival to justify dropping a ton of stats for. It's just that: survival. You can survive almost every mechanic in the entire tier and season without it.

But it's smoother damage intake.

[plush tendon]

yea, but if I drop I level, I lose damage

[cinder nova]

Which is just good.

[jagged pier]

Cool guides are a starting point, they give the easiest solution not always the best

[plush tendon]

survive, or damage

[jagged pier]

Take nomes build for instance he has TLs in his general purpose build

But he plays battering ram

TLs in general is better for more ppl

Doesnt mean its best

[sterile bough]

so what haste > crit > vers> mastery??

[plush tendon]

Haste>Crit/Vers>mastery

but I level over all

[sterile bough]

ofc ilvl is bis

[cinder nova]

Do you mean his M+ build?

[jagged pier]

Ye

[cinder nova]

Yeah I noticed that.

[plush tendon]

battering ram slaps

and thunderlords desyncs shield charge

which is sadge

[steady steppe]

is 9m sang healing bad?

[plush tendon]

yea

[cinder nova]

🤔 Only 14K HPS?

[plush tendon]

you also have access to lots of displacements in that group

so... little weird to see it that high

[hoary pendant]

would tier set gloves 395 ilvl that will activate my 4 tier set bonus be better than strike twice wep 405? hard to pick which item from weekly chest (my current wep is 402 caustic coldsteel slicer from raid) and gloves are m+ gloves 392 ilvl

[cinder nova]

When non-kickable, non CC'able mobs channel in sang QQ

[steady steppe]

azure vault there was those big mobs that just stand still in the ichor and u cant move them

[bold turret]

Depending on the dungeon there are some really grief mobs if you don’t anticipate sanguine

[plush tendon]

oh yea, those things suck

[cinder storm]

I'd complete tier and craft weapon

[plush tendon]

actually tilted me last night

[cinder nova]

You can move mobs preemptively off adds that you can't reliably move.

And should be if your group can't displace them for you instead.

[plush tendon]

I was told there is tech to skip that area entirely, but I wonder where you get count

[steady steppe]

u cant get count

but u can skip it

[cinder storm]

strike twice is meh, its some extra dmg

[steady steppe]

its only rly useful in m0

[plush tendon]

crafted wep would be better imo

jack it up to 405/418

wont be replaced unless you get a 421 in vault

[sick sentinel]

This makes sense awesome, when should I cast the Revenge I think it's called uts the inevitable with the face and its a swelling attack

[hoary pendant]

but what embilshement should i use for wep craft

[sick sentinel]

Sweeping

It procs

[cinder storm]

pins

[plush tendon]

embellishments are really minor

honestly, Id recommend slapping the food time buff on

[light blaze]

@plush tendon what are you dumping your valor into?

[plush tendon]

and getting lariat and frostfire

but thats me

[plush tendon]

nothing

[cinder nova]

@sick sentinel

[plush tendon]

I need a windscar

[slim dove]

lmao gl

[plush tendon]

We holding all valor

[slim dove]

cursed item

[light blaze]

I was gonna dump mine in to pushing my Spellbane Cutlass as its our bis M+ 1h, right?

[slim dove]

40 courts this season, ive seen 0

[light blaze]

ah ok. we hold then 🙏

[cinder nova]

You should still so you can understand how certain talents and enemy numbers alter your use of Revenge and Thunder Clap.

[plush tendon]

id recommend not pumping weapon up

thats expensive in terms of valor

and crafted ends up being better in the long run

at 418

[cinder nova]

Because pressing Shield Slam is less valuable when you can Revenge an entire pack of mobs unless you're low on rage or something.

[plush tendon]

I believe

everyone else in my guild has one

[cinder nova]

Just don't fall into the trap of trying to create "Ignore Pain uptime", because that's not a thing and a colossal waste of rage.

[plush tendon]

Im bound to be next

Ignore pain should be treated as a rage dump

[cinder nova]

Think of IP as a way to avoid wasting rage (Anger Management is why we don't want to "waste" by overcapping), and a way to pad out your health vs. big damage like 4-5 stacks of dots on Terros.

[plush tendon]

except in certain case scenarios

[safe tundra]

The only people that get wind scars are floor pov WW monks

I’ve seen 2 drop

[plush tendon]

good thing we are tanks

and can get into keys pretty quick

[safe tundra]

Yeah was farming out the ring from there

[cinder nova]

I've seen six Melandrus rings drop. All of them on casters. All of them unable to trade it.

[plush tendon]

[dark shard]

I got a 408 in the vault, pog

[cinder nova]

You don't know real pain.

[bold turret]

Instances where you have huge damage incoming - thinking first pull in HoV for example. My IP could be 130k and drop in a global… are you not spamming IP to maintain “uptime”?

[plush tendon]

our resto druid has a 418 AA ring with a socket

he likes it

[bold turret]

I might misunderstand the argument

[plush tendon]

🙂

[safe tundra]

Idk if I want it was just looking last night and might be good

I’m trying to get the trinket from the first boss of raid

[cinder nova]

What key level are you getting globalled on that pull at.

[safe tundra]

Might start up mythic pugging again

[plush tendon]

its ok

grimtorch

now thats a trinket

[safe tundra]

You’d run double on use?

[plush tendon]

and if you spicey, you get the trinket from Dathea

that things pumps

[safe tundra]

Currently running H Grim w/ that normal vers trinket from council

[plush tendon]

if you willing to risk dying due to immobilization

[plush tendon]

Id run grimtorch and windscar if I had them

[unreal sage]

Got it from weekly

[plush tendon]

or grimtorch/windscar+incarnate trinket

[cinder nova]

I feel like you have to be comatose to die to the first double pull of HOV unless you're doing something like 18+

[sage granite]

Anyone running wrecking throw for raid or m+?

[plush tendon]

wrecking throw on Raz is kind of pog

for shields

[cinder nova]

I take Wrecking Throw for Tyr RLP for first boss and only Razs.

That's it.

[safe tundra]

Are you doing the 3x first pull

[plush tendon]

a couple of casts does lot of dam

[safe tundra]

Or just the double

[jagged pier]

Yer on some bosses its huge and some dungeons

[smoky haven]

whats the gem that gives 64 primary and 56 vers

[cinder nova]

Vers

[sage granite]

Yeah used it on rasz earlier and now looking to see what other bosses it would be good for. RLP 1st boss is a good shout

[unreal sage]

Bump haste bro

[bold turret]

21

[plush tendon]

having Grimtorch/Storm trinket one pull then Whetstone for the next seems legit

[bold turret]

I also pull the dragon

[safe tundra]

I’m never running storm trinket

[plush tendon]

the passive trinkets are kind of meh; but the rare incarnate one from council is really good

[safe tundra]

I’ve yet to see anyone not get griefed using it

[cinder nova]

Don't pull the dragon if you're getting clapped.

[safe tundra]

Ironically their trinket buffs my trinket 🙂

[plush tendon]

its the price you pay for power

[bold turret]

I mean I don’t die

Just understanding the IP argument, was just an example

[cinder nova]

Yeah, uptime isn't a stat we care about. If you're getting trucked pressing IP is more of priority because you're taking more damage.

[safe tundra]

Are you doing everything on the dragon 1st pull

Or a double

[slim dove]

the incarnate one is pretty "eh" until you have someone to proc it in your party

[cinder nova]

Dying is obviously the worst case scenario regardless.

[smoky haven]

is it better to craft lariat at r4 then try to recraft for r5? in terms of costs

[bold turret]

Everything on dragon

[safe tundra]

They have to proc r5 above a certain level

[bold turret]

But this isn’t the point

[cinder nova]

But trying to measure IP usage through "uptime" as a metric is a useless statistic.

[safe tundra]

So you have to do r4

And then recraft for inspiration proc

[cinder nova]

I feel like it is the point. IP is going to go faster the more damage you're taking, so your uptime for it is irrelevant. You're just trying to smooth your damage intake and make healing the pull possible when you're blowing a ton of rage on it compared to a pack where you're basically only using it as a dump.

If you're dying from overspending on DPS then you're just being a goon.

[bold turret]

So uptime isn’t an indicator of correct play is the argument, right I get it

[cinder nova]

Yes.

[safe tundra]

Just going to reply so it doesn’t get lost but above like 392 r5 has a chance to proc so you have to craft r4s and find someone with high inspiration

[plush tendon]

fair, but everyone is sort of eyeing that trinket for that reason

and its probably the best passive

[smoky haven]

@safe tundra do i use r2 mats (diamond and harmony)

[plush tendon]

and most people I know are 1 active 1 passive type of doods

[safe tundra]

Depends on who is crafting it

[smoky haven]

i think hes like 33% or something

[safe tundra]

My guildie only needed r2 for 405

[slim dove]

yeah ofc, just sayin tho

[safe tundra]

I think 418s need r3

[cinder nova]

The reason I point it out is that a lot of people who are swapping Warrior this expansion are used to playing tanks like cowardly turtles and 'oversurviving' per se, and as a result seem to play it like a bear with a shield by focusing on buff uptimes instead of just using your abilities intuitively when they're purpose is most needed.

Lots of tanks play like buff managers rather than tanks.

[slim dove]

like hunger of the pack is better if you dont have someone to bounce the buff off of (assuming ilvl)

[cinder nova]

Warrior is very much a departure of that.

[safe tundra]

If their skill is up they should just need R2s id ask tho

[slim dove]

also, whats the PPM of whispering incarnate icon? i cant find it anywhere online

[safe tundra]

If doing 418 they’ll need r3s

[cinder nova]

And people pitfall themselves by just burning tons of rage on IP to try and maintain "uptime" thinking it's the correct play.

Regardless of their intake.

[hollow parcel]

do we pick ilvl over 2 set?

[cinder nova]

It's why you see a lot of new warriors boggled about how much damage some people are doing comparatively. They just aren't pressing Revenge because they have no rage.

[plush tendon]

gotta teach this new warriors that its all about damage

defensiveness is silly

[safe tundra]

So

Mainly focus on IP before tank busters

Or what is the tech

[cinder nova]

If you have to.

Lots of tank busters you can survive easily and safely without it.

[coral agate]

haha that sounds like me 🙂 but im a scrub at tanking (keys) but im trying. To me spamming revenge dosen "fill" ip fast enough tho.. maybe im doing it wrong?!

[plush tendon]

IP to burn excess rage

[cinder nova]

IP is used defensively if you think the damage you're about to take is going to be fatal or dangerous.

[safe tundra]

Last time I played prot was in BFA, was 356 last week and 402 atm doing like 18+ but feel like my dmg is low

[cinder nova]

Otherwise you're just pressing it to avoid overcapping and feeding into Anger Management.

[safe tundra]

Prolly too much IP uptime then?

[plush tendon]

or if you have a nasty dot/taking lots of unblockable damage you need to mitagate

[cinder nova]

A lot of this is just people not reading their talents imo.

Some dots are still not IP-necessary.

[safe tundra]

Leave the export feature out of this lol

[frail pier]

is there a recc gem setup for Lariat?

[safe tundra]

Admittedly I just exported nerf tanks and read what the end caps were

[cinder nova]

Ew.

[plush tendon]

subcreation is a good source to see what talents tanks are running at certain key levels

[safe tundra]

Haven’t really had time to look into the min/max since I couldn’t find any working m+ logs

[plush tendon]

wowhead guide is also a good baseline

but experiment a bit

[cinder nova]

You don't need to fill IP. You press it for two reasons

1. Avoid death
2. Rage dump

If people are asking why we use it to dump rage, they've already failed.

[plush tendon]

[cinder nova]

And by Avoid death I mean actual fatal mechanics or very, very big pulls where damage gets a little shaky. If you and your group are about to take a ton of damage, pressing IP is good because it makes you more self-sufficient and gives your healer opportunity to top your group up before you enter a perilous situation.

Pressing it to make sure you're not dropping below half on tank busters is a good use of it.

Pressing it just to have it is useless.

[plush tendon]

I feel like being forced to spam IPs in big pulls just sort of happens

Cause you get flooded with rage

[cinder nova]

I dunno I barely press it even on triple pulls.

I only slam it on certain packs.

Or if I know my group is getting blasted and I need to be stable so the healer isn't having to triage by sacrificing a DPS to keep me up

Like Fort fireblood on that flame prot-drake in RLP?

[plush tendon]

havnt been to a decent size RLP yet

[cinder nova]

Good use of hammering IP just to be stable and let the healer focus your group

[plush tendon]

we've been avoiding that key

[ionic roost]

Here's a question that matters for context, do you have 4pc

[cinder nova]

No.

[pastel willow]

guys we are just hast vers? on stats

[cinder nova]

I play BrV tho.

[ionic roost]

I doubt, or your healer is pumping you if you never press it

[cinder nova]

Haste > Vers = Crit >> Mast

Prio Crit if you like to pump
Prio Vers if you're a lifetime member at Super Weenie Hut Jr.

[pastel willow]

ty sr

[bold turret]

What key levels are these?

[cinder nova]

Highest RLP I've done is 18. Didn't even finish, tbh. I'm usually preempting damage by using Wall proactively rather than reactively and dance between Def and Battle depending on what's about to hit.

My overall suffers, but tank DPS doesn't time keys.

DPS dps does.

Or LS before mechanics hit, or just Rally before mechanics hit the group.

It's a heal, but having a bigger HP pool means you can also generate bigger IP.

So you can create bigger pads of DR before mechanics.

[candid dove]

Hit IP if you're otherwise going to rage cap even if you don't feel you need it to live. Munching rage gives you less Avatar CDR.

[sick sentinel]

somebody did it

[cinder nova]

That's the Krusty Krab, peasant.

[sick sentinel]

no like, its real

[cinder nova]

Where even is that.

It looks like egypt.

[sick sentinel]

ummmm

[cinder nova]

🤔 What's Mr. Krab's chair and desk doing outside his office?

[sick sentinel]

Located in the Palestinian town known as Ramallah,

[cinder nova]

Close.

The riser in the background was the giveaway.

[sick sentinel]

all the sand was what gave it away for me

[cinder nova]

Idk lots of places are sandy tbh.

The architecture is very distinct, though.

[sharp bone]

warrior discord geoguesser

[sick sentinel]

canada roads don't look the same as equator city roads

[rancid wolf]

any place to get good routes?

[sick sentinel]

cuz its always sunny there, so the road doesn't change alot, canada each year, ice, snow, melts, contributes to potholes

[cinder nova]

Duh you can see the equator line

[sick sentinel]

have to redo roads, so no patching i know its not usa canada and in the desert

[plush tendon]

streamers, weekly dratnos route are good places to start: import them to MDT and adjust to how you see fit

or just let it ride and press W

[cinder nova]

The crack filler on roads just coming apart at the seams

[sharp bone]

can compare lots of routes on keystone.guru

[plush tendon]

Im still a fan of the press W and see where you go route

[sick sentinel]

We dint wanna use slap right since we need the rage

[cinder nova]

Between temperature causing the road to expand and contract, water eroding the space under it, and the weight and pressure of loads atop it - they're gonna get fucked.

[sick sentinel]

potholees is more to do with how frequently the road is driven more than any other factor

[plush tendon]

slap?

[rancid wolf]

well, i used to w and just see, but toxicity of not knowing routes is raising

[plush tendon]

[cinder nova]

Potholes is erosion of the space under the road.

[sick sentinel]

yeah

by ppl driving on it

And already have other rage spenders?

Slap goddammit autocorrect

Slam

[cinder nova]

Driving atop an opening isn't why a pothole forms.

[plush tendon]

take slam off your bar

and forget about it

[cinder nova]

They form before they rupture.

[plush tendon]

revenge and IP are your only rage spenders

[cinder nova]

Ruptures can occur agnostic to traffic and has a lot more to do with moisture in the road and below it than traffic overtop it.

[sick sentinel]

no of course not, tons of cars driving frequently over the same parts of road is the problem

like, 100s of cars each day go along this road

[plush tendon]

the reality is.... there is no route that fits all; people in pugs either think that what theyve always done is the best and get upset if its not like that or have never actually thought where they were going

[cinder nova]

You're not serious, right? Even seldom-used roads can generate cavities whose geometry can cause it to collapse in on itself.

[plush tendon]

the best routes are ones your group have practiced and have found that work for you

[cinder nova]

holy fuck

I'm tallking about sinkholes

I need to go back to bed

Yeah POTholes are traffic, my b

[plush tendon]

otherwise, basic press W and knowing what % you should be at at certain points (like knowing to be at 94% after second boss in CoS) is all you need

[sick sentinel]

" " " The route " " " is the catch all term people throw out when something happanes and the key bricks and there is no clear indicator other wise like "the tank stood in the 1 shot tank killer with no defensives and at low hp with his back turned to boss"

[cinder nova]

Although I'm pretty sure potholes are also caused more by temperature and moisture than traffic. Traffic just opens the pothole 🤔

[sick sentinel]

I love holes

[cinder nova]

Especially freezing temperatures.

[keen cloud]

See: the Midwest in winter versus Arizona

[sick sentinel]

[plush tendon]

Holes is a good movie

[sick sentinel]

it has plot holes in it

didn't like it

HAHAHA

[cinder nova]

kekbur

[livid osprey]

For Lariat effect does it matter which gem I have or "elemental gem" is just any gem?

[mighty valley]

if you look at the gems, they all have elements

and the proc picks one of the gems

[livid osprey]

I see, thanks!

[unreal sage]

Guys do you know name of gem primary stat + haste?

[noble jetty]

Are you guys using into the fray for raids?

[plush tendon]

yea

HR not really necessary

[noble jetty]

I see can you still get 100% uptime on SB?

[plush tendon]

you dont need 100% for most raid fights

you just need effective uptime to be 100% (means every melee is blocked)

[noble jetty]

I see. What about a fight like mythic council? That crush doesn't feel great without sb up

Cause I'm just noticing my rage generation is low compared to others so I'm thinking it's that talent.

[plush tendon]

can always supplement lost SB uptime with SW or something

[crimson forge]

Is Details able to show breakdown of attacks hitting you (ie. How many blocked, dodged, party, etc.)? Used to be able to see this when using Skada/Recount in ancient days, but can’t find in modern Details

[plush tendon]

On our Mythic Council kill I did run HR; but I did just import my M+ build for that fight

[plush tendon]

no, you need a log

get a log, go to a fight or dungeon, hit damage taken then hover over hits

[violet jetty]

is there still a haste cap?

[plush tendon]

40%

ITF does not count towards that number btw

but thats when Diminishing Returns are high enough where other stats become more valuable

[violet jetty]

oh wow ok, good to know, i thought it was 30% with ITF lmao

thanks

[plush tendon]

30% is when Dimishing Returns starts (10% less stat)

but its still our best till 40%

and haste gain from ITF is not affected by this

[smoky haven]

@safe tundra the lariat comes with 1 socket already so i would just need 1 r2 setting and 1 r3 setting correct?

ty for the help bro

[crimson forge]

Thank you for confirming makes sense

[edgy bone]

@candid path Hi friend, hope you had a great holiday so far. Would you be able to give some insight into how to maximize DPS on large packs? What buttons get complete omitted from the rotation when you're dealing with 5-7+ mobs, shield slam?

[safe tundra]

Yeah just put them on in order

[sick current]

Hi everybody, I am Layla and I just want to say that I have officially quit my 2251 raiderio guardian druid to join the ranks of you strong, handsome men. 🙂

[safe tundra]

R2 then r3, if you do r3 first I think you need two r3s

[sick current]

Currently level 68, I haven't stopped playing since level 52 last night.

[smoky haven]

whats the gem that gives 64 primary stat & 56 vers? if any1 knows

[sick current]

correct, r2 first

[full violet]

So, what trinkets would u guys use as m+ only players?

[sick current]

i am SO happy to be here.

[safe tundra]

I think most of us are using primary/haste for diamond and haste/vers or haste/crit for the other two

You have to commission the primary stat gem unfortunately which is why you prolly can’t find it

I think

[candid coral]

Im pretty new to tanking. Are their any macros I need to be making to make my life easier?

[cinder storm]

yell macro to not kick your SR

[smoky haven]

what macro is that @cinder storm been looking for one

[charred ivy]

do protection have any fire damage? xD

[mossy badge]

@full violet go to subcreation, look at the m+ section, click on prot warrior, and look at what everyone else is using for trinkets. Then sim them with your gear to figure out which ones you want to use.

[oak echo]

you craft the frostfire belt if you have the fire dam ring

[smoky haven]

are people able to craft that resplended gem at r3?

are are they doing the r2 diamond recraft thing

[full violet]

Subcreation?

[charred ivy]

i got the one with shield

[oak echo]

mplus.subcreation.net

take the data with a grain of salt - it's literally just that. data from logged keys

[plush tendon]

that ring actually is pretty strong: I would highly recommend getting a frostfire belt to proc it

[charred ivy]

maybe dumb question. but frostfire belt is haste proc?

[deft mortar]

bruh they should allow 1 hate whisper to ppl who leave M+ solid 20 mins in

[safe tundra]

I think r2 diamond proc for r3

8 had to recraft mine twice

[charred ivy]

aha

[full violet]

I See, Decoration of flame it is. cba goin into raid

[charred ivy]

ty

[safe tundra]

I had to do an r2 chance to proc r3

[smoky haven]

like u asked a crafter

[safe tundra]

Yeah

[smoky haven]

bet

[safe tundra]

It’s under gems I think on crafting orders

[sick current]

I just made my warrior, can I get 3 sparks or only 2?

[smoky haven]

whats the proc on tht do u kno for urs at least

[oak echo]

i didn't think the sparks expired so i would assume still 3

[safe tundra]

It took me 3 crafts to get an r3 with rank 2 materials

So it’s cheap

[plush tendon]

for a rank 3 gem, it would be based on their inspiration: mine is around 30%

so just depends on how good they are

[safe tundra]

Most people with high inspo should be able to use rank 2 materials I think, if not it’s def cheaper

[plush tendon]

yea, you prob dont need to waste the gold on a rank 3 diamond; rank 2 mats should work

[smoky haven]

are u on rn :o

[plush tendon]

no 😦

[safe tundra]

You need r3 for 418 neck crafts yeah?

[plush tendon]

I have..... work

[plush tendon]

I think our jewlcrafter who specialized in that can do it with rank 2

[safe tundra]

I did sword>shield almost have enough for neck

Oh dope

[plush tendon]

again, its pretty much all based on how good they

and how much skill points they got

[safe tundra]

I thought 418s required r3

I prolly overpaid then

[plush tendon]

you can also do a recraft for neck

cause I think recraft lariat doesnt need a diamond

make it first with small mats, then recraft with big mats to proc to 5

[floral condor]

ey, would the best gems for a lariat if I want to do prot and sometimes to fury be hast/strength ones?

[safe tundra]

Yeah I have neck crafted it’s just 405. Thought sword/shield were a bit larger prio

[plush tendon]

I mean, nothing is really prio

[safe tundra]

Been rocking a 389 shield from a super rare lol

Drop rate is 0

[plush tendon]

Lariat is just a solid option since its a jewelry piece and hard to replace

I went Lariat, Sword, Frostfire

since I have a mythic shield

[safe tundra]

I just meant now that I’m doing higher keys I’d rather keep my 405 neck and upgrade shield from 389 to 418

[plush tendon]

yea, upgrading lariat is not worth

[safe tundra]

I did do sword first tho

[plush tendon]

unless you have nothing else

to upgrade

the value of lariat is the embellishment and the chosen stats

[safe tundra]

Need to look into this haste/crit uprising

All my crafteds are haste/vers

[plush tendon]

its not an uprising, its a way of life... its been around since forever

[safe tundra]

I think I can swap stars on craft

[oak echo]

i mean there's a reason everyone will tell you they're basically equal in prio

[safe tundra]

Idk rio says haste/vers here is saying haste/crit

[plush tendon]

we reject those that think you need X% vers to survive

[oak echo]

you can't really go wrong stacking either unless you're hitting DR

[safe tundra]

I might mix

[opal steeple]

Does it worth to spend Valor on Crystalized Bulward? is this shield bis outside the raid, even without embellishment?

[cinder nova]

Which sims higher, Eranog ring or Melandrus

[plush tendon]

personal choice; id recommend crafter shield to 418 and save the valor for something else

[cinder nova]

I doubt either are gonna outpace cobalt ring so

[vernal vale]

Rio takes from every player out there and a majority will just follow guides. A lot of the top people here go haste crit

[opal steeple]

Primal Molten Defender?

[safe tundra]

I only looked at top 20

[vernal vale]

Melandrus does for me

[floral condor]

What would you say is the soft cap for haste for prot warrior?

[plush tendon]

yea, that.

[plush tendon]

40%

[full violet]

None

[vernal vale]

You can also do high keys with a good group and not know how to play just look at how shit nerf is at prot

[safe tundra]

But yeah a lot probably just copied the top ones from the first week or two

[plush tendon]

40% is when you start looking at other stats cause of diminishing return is high enough at that point

[floral condor]

Ok sweet!

[plush tendon]

but you wont reach 40% for a bit

and ITF haste does not get affected by DR

[vernal vale]

Don't think we can hit 40% unbuffed right now.

[plush tendon]

yea, super unlikley

but, if you somehow do

then start looking at other stats

[floral condor]

I just got my 418 Lariat, wondering what gems to put in it. I made it a crite/mastery one in case I want to dps more, should I just enchant it with haste to be useful for prot?

[full violet]

Im at 4,5k haste e.g. and that 35%

[plush tendon]

are you main spec fury?

[oak echo]

all 3 of your lariat gems should have haste on them

[sick sentinel]

ahh internet cut out mid key lol

[plush tendon]

you cant really go wrong with crit heavy and haste if you want the best of both

[sick sentinel]

or i cant seewm to log in

[plush tendon]

or haste heavy and crit

[floral condor]

I basically just play prot atm, even convinced my guild to let me tank last night in our 5/8H

[oak echo]

most people do like primary/haste and 2 haste/vers or haste/crit

[cinder nova]

haste crit pog

[floral condor]

I've been unlucky with my gear so far and have accidentally got a lot of mastery haha

[cinder nova]

🤔 What are those +88 haste notations?

[floral condor]

oh uuuuuh

[full violet]

Gems

[floral condor]

yea and enchants

[oak echo]

if i can get different boots i'll actually manage to have 0 mastery

[full violet]

I hit 0 mastery Yesterday 😄

[rare magnet]

Hello, I’m looking to craft a 2nd item. Since I can only have 2 embellished and I have lariat should I go for the embellished shield or normal shield or maybe a ring or anything else?

[safe tundra]

Are you crafting a wep, and do you have any of the fire proc rings from raid

[rare magnet]

Not crafted weapon yet or have the plan to. No ring from raid. Slowly will get the cobalt one. Basically idk what else to craft as priority Currently only have lariat max rank

[severe steeple]

1h and shield is a pretty safe bet

[safe tundra]

Got yah, was going to say if you had the raid rings I think fire belt would have been the play potentially

As long as you have the slots down you can always add/remove embellishments later as long as you are fine with recrafting

If you’re mythic raiding I wouldn’t do shield tbh

I went embl:MH/Neck, crafted:shield

[rare magnet]

I haven’t looked into 1 handers tbh. Reckon I’ll go shield. Any clear preference on which shield? Didn’t know I can remove embellishments. Not mythic raiding. Hc clear and then m+ focus. Maybe a couple mythic bosses in the future with cross realm

[safe tundra]

If you remove it you’ll have to recraft it, I guess there’s an item from a Wrathion vendor that does it

I haven’t done it personally but a guildie said that they did

[wary heath]

1h shield and neck

[rare magnet]

Don’t think the recrafting will be an issue

[safe tundra]

So I’d confirm either way

[wary heath]

Craft

[rare magnet]

I’ll go normal shield then now and then next embellished 1h

Thanks :D

[floral condor]

hey uh, any blacksmiths able to help me remove an embellishment from my 1h whilst keeping it 405 😢

[atomic stirrup]

Does anyone know at what point cobalt ring falls off

It seems to do far to much healing and I dunno when it’s considered “worse” for survivalbility

[prisma echo]

oh my fellow warriors

not using def stance

is fuckign game changer 😄

[atomic stirrup]

It is and it sent

Isnt

[prisma echo]

like i switch when i feel i need more survi or harder pack/boss

[atomic stirrup]

Lots of packs in 18+ keys will kill you if you go battle lol

[prisma echo]

im not that lvl yet

im 11-13

[granite nest]

I've heard +6 ilvls floated around, but I have nothing credible to back that up.

[stoic elm]

i just did a +14 halls of valor we finished the dungeon but couldnt time it.

how could we improve

doing bigger pulls?

[prisma echo]

for first time i was overall dps higher then dps

[atomic stirrup]

I dunno that seems to low imo, trinket heals for almost like 2-4 million in dungeons sometimes

[prisma echo]

also shitty dps

but still 🙂

[granite nest]

Like I said, nothing credible. Just don't use it, and you don't need to worry about it.

[atomic stirrup]

True lol

It’s good though !

[sharp bone]

it must be different for the dps ring

[atomic stirrup]

I just wanna get the similar ring from raid with the frost fire belt

And call it a day

[granite nest]

You could easily just sim that ring vs others you get from dungeons. Probably the easiest way to sort it out for yourself.

[stoic elm]

wasn't able to time a +14 with this dps is this normal dps?

[atomic stirrup]

Is there even reliable sims for damage reduction though

[granite nest]

Oh sorry, I didn't realize you meant for DR

[atomic stirrup]

Yah lol

[granite nest]

I gear to do dps

[atomic stirrup]

I mean that’s fine

[blazing condor]

what dg? but 22,5k is definitely low

[atomic stirrup]

Love me my mythic erag trinket

Good damage good shield

Perfect tank trinket

[granite nest]

Yeah, I have that and Icon for raid

[atomic stirrup]

Wish the cd wasn’t 3 min though

[granite nest]

Feels Goodge

[sharp bone]

i miss sod tank trinkets

[prisma echo]

i have question about rotation, should i always prioritize SS more then TC then revenge even if im capped on rage?

sorry i write it badly

[atomic stirrup]

It depends on the pack size

[prisma echo]

in situation when im rage capped should i priritze TC/Revenge or use SS to use it on every cd

[atomic stirrup]

If it’s like 3+ use thunderclap

And just use ignore pain

You shouldn’t be “rage capped”

[sick sentinel]

Less than 3 use rend

[prisma echo]

question is should i ALWAYS use SS on cd?

[sharp bone]

if you're capped on rage weave ip between abilities

[atomic stirrup]

If it’s less then 3 targets yes

[prisma echo]

like SS should be my nr 1 priority to click on CD

[sick sentinel]

Shield bash button that procs alit yehbuse on cd and orox

Proc

[atomic stirrup]

Wtf did I just read lol

Yehbusssy

[sick sentinel]

The icon that is the gold color

[granite nest]

I stopped at Use Rend

[sick sentinel]

Yiubdint usebrend at 2 or less targets?

[atomic stirrup]

Use thunderclap lol

It applies tend

[granite nest]

TC applies Rend

[atomic stirrup]

Rend

[sick sentinel]

So just take it off

[urban portal]

you dont use rend ever

[atomic stirrup]

Okay not on the first date

[granite nest]

Take rend off your bar, it's the equivalent of Pre-DF Guardian Maul

[sick sentinel]

So slam and rend are useless

Ok

[atomic stirrup]

No one said slam is useless

[sharp bone]

rend and whirlwind are useless

[sick sentinel]

Someone did earlier

And km new so I dint know

[atomic stirrup]

Then they are useless

Don’t listen to them

[urban portal]

slam is definitely useless

[granite nest]

Yeah fuck Slam

[urban portal]

to be fair

[granite nest]

shield Slam > slam

[urban portal]

guardian needs to bind maul for DOS

[sick sentinel]

But I felt like slam is useless when yiu already use others that spend fury

[urban portal]

but thats really it

[granite nest]

DOS?

[atomic stirrup]

Oh yah slam is useless

Not shield slam

[urban portal]

de other side

[sick sentinel]

I'm talking about the icon that looks like a mace

[granite nest]

What were we using Maul in DOS for?

[sick sentinel]

To avoid any confusion

[urban portal]

to dps the mueh zala ghosts

[granite nest]

I mean, I guess

[urban portal]

literally the only time

definitely matters on tyrannical

[granite nest]

Anyway, off topic

[atomic stirrup]

Shadowland mythic +

[granite nest]

Slam bad, rend bad. Use TC to apply Rend.

[atomic stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/dry-heave-throw-up-vomit-gross-ew-gif-4726988

[sick sentinel]

Slam and rend useless what about whirlwind also pointless yes.

[granite nest]

Yes, you have revenge

[sick sentinel]

Very out of place

[granite nest]

No need for whirlwind

[sick sentinel]

Redundant

[atomic stirrup]

Whirlwind only if you use war mode and hear a rogue stealth and thunderclap is on cd

[granite nest]

Truuue

[sick sentinel]

Nice lmao

[cinder nova]

??? just use shouts dum dum

[sick sentinel]

Goddammit rogues

[atomic stirrup]

lol I’m not wasting demo shout

You crazy

[cinder nova]

...

Howl, you ape.

Piercing Howl.

[atomic stirrup]

That a waste of a point

[sick sentinel]

Ravager

[granite nest]

You mean my Arms PVP talent? kekw

[cinder nova]

Not PVP specced in WM yikers

Actual doo-doo

[atomic stirrup]

I ain’t a chimp

[cinder nova]

Gonna get clocked by Hunt-specced DH

[atomic stirrup]

War mode is just full of alliance care bares anyways

With their handicap always on

Great game lol

[granite nest]

Drakebreak deez nuts

[cinder nova]

🤔 Handicap?

[atomic stirrup]

Yes

[granite nest]

Yeah alliance get open world buffs

[atomic stirrup]

Their “handicap”

[granite nest]

Horde chads don't need it

[atomic stirrup]

Most of the airdrops now are just flooded with alliance in a minute or two

With a 20% WB lol

War mode is a pretty big meme other then cashing in on extra stuff

[cinder nova]

If you can't kill them with WM buff that's a skill issue tbh

I'm on an A-heavy server and I rarely drop unless I'm getting rot-kited

[granite nest]

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