protection

[sick sentinel]

he had to exppain his plan while beijg arrested

[warm plinth]

Oh dear

[sick sentinel]

so hes a big meme now, thats the dunning kruger effect

[vocal bison]

If it didn't work should have said it was urine and went with insanity defense

[sick sentinel]

i went to the doctor last week wearing nothing but saran wrap and he say to me "well, i can clearly see you're nuts"

[vocal bison]

[solemn thunder]

Just got this trinket from weekly
Any opinions? I think it's crap

[sick sentinel]

probably better than something your already have

it automagically activated trinket for one and deals dmg and gives str

i cant see it being all bad unless you have other trikents of similiar ilvl or it fucks with your keys by pulling shit

[reef holly]

Yeah I did that the other day- hadn’t run NO in a while. Some Ragnaros player was kind enough to call me an “imbecile” in Spanish. But rest of group was kind enough to tell me the mobs I was pulling near the last boss camp don’t add to % XD

I should probably lock down a route for that place

[solemn thunder]

Just did World Boss with it, 0,9% overall dmg from proc

[tulip harness]

Where would you say blood of the khaansguard ranks compared to m+ trinkets with the same ilevel?

[solemn thunder]

Nearly 100 Str more than my old trinket, but thats it

[tulip harness]

does roughly 5-6% of my overall in keys

[solemn thunder]

Do stacks come faster in AoE?

[tulip harness]

Honestly have no idea, I just looked over my details quickly when I saw you asked, having gotten the same trinket yesterday myself

[sage granite]

I take it Algethar Puzzle box is terrible? Not even good if we pre cast it between packs or before boss fights?

[mortal brook]

Lotta stats

[wooden widget]

It sims really high for dmg obv even as prot but i cba to use it in m+

[solemn thunder]

Value of mastery is lower than other stat procs, and cast time makes it basically unusable in M+ for me

[flat tinsel]

Hey, I just popped in here, anyone have a good answer to what prot warriors should spend Sparks on?

[sage granite]

[lone eagle]

Crazy good single target

[blazing elk]

Hey guys, do I need to keep a minimum cap on crit and mastery ? I mean, if I have a lot of haste/versa items, can I equip everything with these stats, or do I need to keep a bit of crit and mastery ? like 1k minimum or smtg ?

For now i'm 1275 crit 4146 haste 849 mastery2788 poly

[lone eagle]

For pure survivability haste/vers is probably king from a practical standpoint

[sturdy sable]

As will all tanks ilvl is king you only care about 2ndaries when comparing equal ilvl

[lone eagle]

For damage ultimately every class/spec wants a weighted blend

[blazing elk]

I'm doing a lot of 14/15 mm+

[lone eagle]

But prioritize ilvl over everything

[blazing elk]

Yes i'm talking about camparing same ilvl

cause ilvl is god

So even with my stats, I can keep focusing on haste vers

[lone eagle]

Best answer offensively is to sim

[blazing elk]

yup. didn't sim anything since BFA, is raidbot still good ?

[lone eagle]

Realistically with very high haste vers, crit mast will overtake

Yes

[blazing elk]

Ok thanks for answers boys 🙂

[flat tinsel]

@sage granite it just listed the items, saying most are decent

[short cairn]

anyone mind recommending a good prot warrior WA

[sage granite]

yes

[sage granite]

I use Luxthos because it's the easiest to customise. he has a youtube video on how to do it if you don't do WA stuff a lot

[blazing elk]

Oh and last question, the 389 Cobalt assembly ring, with shield proc, is still broken for me, like 13% of my healing overall all the time. What ilvl ring do I need to replace it ?

[sick sentinel]

you can run the dps ring

[blazing elk]

really ? ^^

[sick sentinel]

cuz we don't need the absorb if everyone playing good enough

[blazing elk]

so, when not in pugroup xD

[flat tinsel]

@sage granite Well... that's not very helpful

[sage granite]

if you are looking for someone to tell you exactly what to craft then sure - Lariat

[slim musk]

did i do okay for my first time in dfungeons? i guess sheild block and ignore pain need higher uptime and i was in battle stance half of the time xD

am i supposed to use avatar on cd?

[jagged pier]

Uptime is a metric that not worth looking at u need to log to see how you really did

[slim musk]

how does one do that

i have warcraft logs installed but idk how to use it

[jagged pier]

Well it will tell u on the website how to do it

[slim musk]

oh okay thaks 🙂

[sturdy sable]

one of your goals should be to be in bstance as much as you can

[slim musk]

wait really=?

i thought i need to be in defesinvie stance

[fathom goblet]

How good is elemental lariat for prot warriors ?

[sturdy sable]

you dont "need" that 15% dr

[wooden widget]

According To subcreation nearly 100% of prot tanks who are doing +20s are still using the ring, presumably with access to MUCH higher ilvl rings.

[errant sedge]

Wait prot Warri got Def stance?

[fathom goblet]

Does it add only dps value or does it also add significantly defensive value ?

[wooden widget]

Yogis answer is true for very easy keys

[blazing elk]

That's exactly my question xD

So I'm still using it

[slim musk]

ooh

okay i will try the other stance and see what ahppens :d

[sturdy sable]

dstance should be used reactively

for big hits or pulls

or spicey mobs

not all the time

unless your in 20s

then its pretty much all the time rn

[jagged pier]

Its okay, overhyped. But most of our embleishments are kinda lack luster and having a neck giving the correct stats with 3 sockets in that u wont ever replace is nice to have

[slim musk]

so like tank busters?

[sturdy sable]

exactly

[slim musk]

do i use it during burst window at all?

or just stay in BStance+

[jagged pier]

U use d stance when u feel like u should its a personal thing with how comfortable etc u are

There is no hard line rule

Its subjective to each person

[fathom goblet]

How long is the farm for cobalt ring nowadays ?

[slim musk]

so throw yourself at content until you get comfy with the class gotcha 😄

[sturdy sable]

my philosophy for new tanks is that they should learn on the least tanky version of the class

[errant sedge]

1.5-2hr

[sturdy sable]

otherwise tools that should be used correctly get used as saftey nets or comfort zones

[fathom goblet]

Damm I will farm the ring then

[slim musk]

that sounds very big brain

[sterile bough]

out of top 10 warrs only 5 of em are plyaing it

[fathom goblet]

50% is too much

Much

[short cairn]

Thank you! this looks great

[wooden widget]

That may be true. My assessment is still accurate because subcreation takes data from all +16s and up. I assume you’re looking at the leaderboard on raider.io?

[slim musk]

wait a moment is that normal that a dps player pulls the mobs for me uses his burst spells and then complains that i dont take aggro :d

[wooden widget]

Those 5 warriors constitute a very small portion of prot tanks. Like statistically insignificant portion.

I’m also not trying to give a definitive answer on the ring. Especially since I’m not doing content hard enough to warrant it. I was just pointing to some data that would suggest yes the shield has more value than higher ilvl rings

[sterile bough]

+16s are piss easy that even 2,2k io ppl are boosting that

[sturdy sable]

no

[torpid junco]

What are our best crafts

[wooden widget]

Sounds like you don’t need the ring then

The fact that 5/10 of the actual top prot warriors are using the ring also leads me to believe it has crazy value.

I haven’t checked that myself tho

[oblique garnet]

It does good damage

[wooden widget]

And the tanks on the leaderboard have wildly different circumstances compared to 99.9% of us

We’re talking shield ring from assembly

[ocean prairie]

guys what is better avoidance or leech?

[sturdy sable]

its free value

its not that hard to figure out why ppl would run it in higher keys

[flat tinsel]

Why am I having an impossible time looking up Embellishments, looking it up online comes with very few results

[wooden widget]

Yeah I agree. Just tried to give some context to yogis answer tbh

[flat tinsel]

What is the one that goes on a weapon, gives a chance to deal physical damage on strikes

[wooden widget]

Leech for m+ and avoidance for raid maybe? I always choose leech

[toxic pewter]

Yah leech for me also

[torpid junco]

Adornment fangs

Is weapon embellishment you want

[old sinew]

This seems like a bad presumption. You need to invest valor into a 405 to push it to 415 and that won’t be worth it until you role tertiary most likely

[torpid junco]

I crafted weapon and lariat neck. Leaning towards brez bracers for next

[wooden widget]

I guess my presumption is incorrect if your definition of higher ilvl starts at 415.

[flat tinsel]

ty Kuzo. Is it possible to use brez bracers if u already have 2 embellishments?

[torpid junco]

Yep

[old sinew]

🤷‍♂️

[spark patrol]

Eng bracers do not contribute to embellishment cap

Same as well fed embellishment

[flat tinsel]

Is it because it's not a combat thing

[torpid junco]

What can the well fed embellishment be applied to?

[wooden widget]

The ring is widely used in high keys. So at the very least it has value beyond 405 rings for the vast majority of tanks.

[old sinew]

I need to do AS feasts to get well fed right?

[spark patrol]

Everything that accepts embellishments

[wooden widget]

And that’s not really my guess. That’s just what subcreation tells us.

[old sinew]

About to craft 418 chest but haven’t done any world content

[old sinew]

Ok.

[torpid junco]

Not worried about crafting on a tier slot ?

[old sinew]

Chest has bad stars for our tier

Also I kind of feel like hitting 2.5k today and then taking a break until CC opens I dunno

Rather have something I can use now

I’m in that dead zone where KSH is easy but I can’t hit rank 1 🤷‍♂️

[tardy kettle]

hi, does anyone know what to do against blazehoofs searing blows? its melting me in higher keys (16+). I can block the initial attack but the bleed is just too strong. Or is it just IP spam with demo shout etc.

[old sinew]

Use defensive. Also you can parry so pay attention to how many stacks you actually receive before committing any resources

Sometimes you’ll parry 2-3 hits and wall would be over kill

[shy sinew]

Got this as loot in weekly quest, is it good ?

[toxic pewter]

Yah prob pretty good defensively if paired with frostfire belt

I would use it for sure

[tulip harness]

Can you avoid shield of light from hyrja, or does it "follow" you if you move during the cast?

[old sinew]

Follows

[tame jasper]

this

[tulip harness]

So its basicly just pop shit for it? it hits like a truck

[old sinew]

Just demo and spell reflect 🤷‍♂️

[tulip harness]

oh

[toxic pewter]

Ya that hurts

[tulip harness]

its reflectable?

[old sinew]

No

But reflect lowers magic dam by 20%

[tame jasper]

it hurts yes, but its the boss mechanic to kick u back to avoid double beam on boss

[tulip harness]

Yeah read the tooltip, get what you mean

[tulip harness]

What do you mean by double beam?

[old sinew]

It’s the only source of tank dam in the whole fight. Just battle stance and then use d stance demo and reflect with some ip. Granted maybe in giga high keys you need more but I dunno

[tulip harness]

ye fair enough

[old sinew]

If hyrja in the middle she gains both stacks so the shield blast launching you let’s you move her side to side faster than walking

You’d still dodge it if you could tho. But you can’t

[tulip harness]

Oh, didn't even think of that, is that a reliable way of switching sides in terms of how often shield of light is cast?

[old sinew]

Yup

You get it every ti e you want to swap

[tulip harness]

cool, at the start of the fight I have to manually move from middle to one side tho, right?

[old sinew]

Yes. Based on spell batching you sometimes get a shield sometimes you don’t at the start of fight

Best to stand where you want to be (storm guy and lust)

If you get hit by the shield at start you just charge back to cancel momentum

[prisma echo]

Thats interesting i was thinking we play def stance all the time

[tulip harness]

Yeah okay, perfect, thanks man

[prisma echo]

i never think as using it as def cd 🙂

and switching

[old sinew]

B stance as the default. It’s so much more natural to mentally say “I need to not die now and I’m scared I will here” than to say “I still need to not die, but I’ve calculated I will live so I can swap into b stance here for extra damage”. B stance as default feels more natural

Most trash pulls you won’t die so b stance is free Dam

And on bosses you d stance like a cd

[sick sentinel]

i'd have to make b/d stance 300 % button size increase to remember to use it

like if i was to swap between them

[old sinew]

Very few bosses just 24/7 chunk you so “d stance always” generally sub optimal

[sick sentinel]

i do undertand why pugs and the general population would think "your a tank, you should do everything you can to take less dmg, so stay in d stance longer plz"

[edgy grail]

Yes i had to make a WA for my stance too

[wooden widget]

I’d rather die then be in dstance during avatar 😂

[edgy grail]

It just forgets

[wooden widget]

Jkjk

[sick sentinel]

i get it 100% its like you lvl a geodude and hes got really strong melee resistance, so you level him as your "tank" pokemon

[wooden widget]

I have a weak aura that activates when I’m in dstance to remind me to switch back

[sick sentinel]

just, not quite exactly it works this way in practice in a real group lol

not if your doing it right

[uncut dome]

Is it Lariat / wrists for bis?

[errant sedge]

Prot warriors are not allowed to play in Dstance

[prisma echo]

Ill test it thanks lads

[plush tendon]

Can also dance in and out of Dstance

[prisma echo]

Is there difference between crafted mace/axe/sword? Or are they literally same

[sick sentinel]

i don't know at what time today or this weekeend but im gunna go from 32gb 2333 shitter ram to 64 gb 3600 rgb rams

[plush tendon]

I like Dstance when there is heavy damage or I cant melee the boss for whatever reason

[sick sentinel]

just waitin on amazon dude show up

[plush tendon]

just sort of stance swap: you dont lose rage like classic 🙂

[wide charm]

Are you guys really playing dstance ? in 18+ ?

[plush tendon]

scary pulls Ill start in DSTance

did so in a +20 Azure for a couple of packs

[wide charm]

i meant not playing mb*

[plush tendon]

and then settled back into BStance

[wide charm]

like i got shredded in a 20 hov

[plush tendon]

some packs hurt more then others

havnt yet done a +20 Halls; our next attempt is either Academy or Temple

The SBG has been a easy way to pump keys; we can three chest 16-17 and two chest 18s

with like no real rush

[old sinew]

So basically you're using it like a defensive CD and turtling up only when you're afraid of damage.

[plush tendon]

pretty much

[craggy pilot]

anyone got a good route for COS? or a good amount of % of count before moving on through the dungeon?

[plush tendon]

scary bleed in azure

im in Dstance

[craggy pilot]

like something like 50% after 1st boss, and 94% in 2nd boss?

[plush tendon]

doing boss with no damage going out, BStance

[old sinew]

I was about to say what bleed, I guess you meant if those rock bois get a cast off

[plush tendon]

CoS route changes everytime for me

[plush tendon]

those little dragon dudes after the 2nd boss put a stacking bleed

[craggy pilot]

yea i know, but do you have any specific count goals?

[wide charm]

you need 93.68% before last mini boss

[plush tendon]

I learned about it yesterday

[old sinew]

o right

[plush tendon]

around 50% is good in first zone

then finish to 94% in last

[old sinew]

yeah the tarasek guys they be a lil spooky if they aren't bursted down fast

[craggy pilot]

ok thx, so 50% and then 94%

[plush tendon]

and the trash on the plateforms in AV after first boss are cancer as well

otherwise, nothing is terrible

[sick sentinel]

ffs i had intervene talented, but i wasn't using it all of yesterday and maybe past few days

[old sinew]

Guy on another discord said you can skip the platforms?

[sick sentinel]

didn't have it on my bars

[plush tendon]

if he can, I would love to know

[wide charm]

this route is perfect count and is basically a straight line with 3 enforcers at the end

[old sinew]

they intentionally trigger the alarm to make up the % diff

[wooden widget]

Stances are off gcd right? Does anyone Macro dstance into shield wall?

[plush tendon]

I havnt done enough AVs yet to really know the dungeon either

[plush tendon]

No

Just use the stance dance macro

most of the time SW and DStance is overkill

and unnecssary

[wooden widget]

Kk

[plush tendon]

if thats the case, I will look into that

key was doable, but we had some mishaps

and the big guys on the platforms love to cast for 10 seconds and refuse to move (plus they have so much more health then the other mobs)

so Sanquine was a pain

[severe hatch]

Sanguine in AV was a pain as well

[old sinew]

yup

[severe hatch]

Timed my 15 but it wasn't without some pain

[plush tendon]

just in that one part

otherwise, not bad

maybe froggies being annoying once in a while

[severe hatch]

The hornswogs were surprisingly annoying

[plush tendon]

We also figured to lust the two guys at the end

[severe hatch]

Top sanguine healing for me

[plush tendon]

rather then on the 3rd or 4th bosses

Those two guys hurt

But still thinking over it as the 3rd boss trucks even on Fort

one tick of the ice is

[stoic elm]

This is my first 15 https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ZkXRvLhMna7g2HKm#fight=last&type=summary
i was told to improve cpm. what else can I improve.

[limber flame]

yeah i hate azure vaults everything about it this week lol

[plush tendon]

There are parts of the dungeon I like

and others where Im like 'bruh'

[old sinew]

🤔

[blazing condor]

AV for me is just a blue sanguine

[old sinew]

you said this was a 19 right?

[plush tendon]

20

I think in another 10-15 i levels these keys will be piss easy

[stoic elm]

can some one please check this. thank you.

[plush tendon]

but we tried lusting those two guys cause we did it once without and it was painful

we do the same in SBG on the two void guys at the end

[old sinew]

lusting the void guys seems like the play for sure

[severe hatch]

Dang one minute and no one has analyzed your log yet

[plush tendon]

the dragon dudes in AV feel like the same thing

[old sinew]

no shot

[plush tendon]

but again, super not practiced in that key

and lust was not necessary for the bosses for us

[severe hatch]

Link doesn't work for me btw

[plush tendon]

but if we get that key again, we will see what other tech we can find

[stoic elm]

does this mean it will take time?

[plush tendon]

and hopfully we take Raz Heroic down tonight

[old sinew]

I pinged the guy about the skip but no response on disc yet 🤷‍♂️

[plush tendon]

and maybe get a hunter bow

[severe hatch]

Warrior loot

[plush tendon]

my warrior is juiced

except for 1 trinket and tier

still need a windscar 😦

the shield ring from raid also slaps

7% of my healing in dungeons

[jagged pier]

u need to sort this out

[stoic elm]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ZkXRvLhMna7g2HKm#fight=last

umm what is gain

[jagged pier]

your wasted rage

your wasting a tone of it

[stoic elm]

oh

[plush tendon]

roughly 10% of your rage is wasted

thats big sadge

[stoic elm]

so im capping it?

[jagged pier]

yes

[stoic elm]

ah ok

[plush tendon]

slam more Ignore Pain

when you get close to capping and still have generators available

[stoic elm]

ok ill probably make audio alamr to make sure i spent it

oh thank you.

anything else.

[blazing condor]

3rd season in a row i go for 2k score and game gives me 1999

one more dungeon ig

[sick sentinel]

don't do any of that

just spend your rage

[dark lark]

This isn't in the sheet, but are Raszageth's sparks able to be pre-immuned with spell reflect (sorta like Lady Darkveins adds) @shut summit

[sick sentinel]

you are working backwards away from the problem like that

[blazing elk]

Guys, I currently have Granyth's enduring scale 392, and Blazebinder's hoof 395. I just dropped the Horn of valor in 398. In my mind, I replace Blazebinder's by Horn of Valor, is it the right choice ? 😒

[blazing condor]

you can always sim it

[blazing elk]

Well yup

[sick sentinel]

i saw a horn of valor with avoidance on it and i figured i'd not see that again in a long time

[blazing elk]

OOf XD

[sick sentinel]

30 seconds of 1k str... sounds good to me for 2m cd

[inland raft]

Orc or blood elf? Time to put the furry ways behind me tired of being short

[limber maple]

Orc warriors have the best animations

[sick sentinel]

reduced stun time is nice as well

in early bfa i was human warrior, so, i can 100% confirm get out of jail stun everyman is busted

[blazing elk]

But tauren has bigger shield. xD

[sick sentinel]

cuz, it even removes very long group wide stuns such as jess howliss in tol dagor when transition happens

[spice axle]

does the vanguard determination from piece stack?

[plush tendon]

I like BELF

[sick sentinel]

you can every man that shit and go back to pumping immediately

[plush tendon]

Orc is meh to me now

[sick sentinel]

i know that crap is OP

[plush tendon]

in PVE

BElf purge is situationally amazing

[floral moon]

Belf is great for razs if you’re going for ce

[inland raft]

Slutmog belf or male?

[plush tendon]

Im a male

cause thats what hes always been

but the choice is yours

[sick sentinel]

uwu furry fox man is good for pwar cuz it gives us 40yard pull option

[limber flame]

what % do you have to be to do the offensive skip?

[plush tendon]

can swap anytime

[sick sentinel]

cooldown be damned or not

[inland raft]

I liked the pull range in sl and the extra survival on pull, but font feel either really as impactful in df and beint short has a lot of downsides

Thus why looking to change

Cosmetic time now

[strong forum]

if you mean notgud, 95%

[sick sentinel]

vulpera for me might as well read "pull at 40 yards if this class cannot"

is only thing i really think about with them and more bag space

[plush tendon]

Vulpera is kind of goated with bag space and their home base thing

Too bad I dont like how they look

They are basically just a furry goblin

[slim musk]

female maghar orc are defintieyl on top of the list when it comes to being annoying with their screams

[sick sentinel]

maghars hasve extremely strong racial activated for many if not all classes

[inland raft]

I actually like their look too, its 100% their size that gets annoying sometimes, start swimming in shallow water and sometimes get los error when trying to leap on elevations that never had issue with back when was orc before

[sick sentinel]

pop a CD and get giga haste/crit/mastery/versa for like, 20 seconds..... fuck yeah....

[spice axle]

does our 2piece stack?

[sick sentinel]

ohhh i might change race on some toons but, mostly, im pretty happy with my choices

[inland raft]

Its all cosmetic really in the end anyways

[sick sentinel]

bull warrior tank, i don't think gets any more iconic than that

[inland raft]

Wish theyd get rid of the cost at this point but they want their money

[sweet summit]

no, duration just gets refreshed

[spice axle]

ty

[limber flame]

ye i did thanks nomeratur

[plush tendon]

whatever race you pick should 100% be whatever you want to look at for hours on end

racials be damned

[dark shard]

Belf meta. Easiest on the eyes and arcane torrent can be insane in pve and pvp content

[sick sentinel]

its literally abbreviated to NO in the game

[slim musk]

i wanted to look at a female maghar orc but she sounds like a 50 year old chain smoker 😢

[sick sentinel]

i mean, is there ever a clearer sign??? no means no

[plush tendon]

I like BElf cause I like the more humanoid mog, arcane torrent on all my toons is nice (consistent), and they dont look weird on mounts

[slim musk]

alliance just has the better looking races

except for mechagnome

[plush tendon]

eh, really just female Nelf

Dwarf is like Orc to me

[slim musk]

i thinik void elves are great

[inland raft]

Alliance also has only racial that actually has a big benefit in dwarf

[plush tendon]

cool, but I wouldnt want to play one full time

[slim musk]

kul tiran humans too

[plush tendon]

and Humans have always looked weird to me

Dranei same thing as Tauren

and Gnomes are funny.... thats bout it

[slim musk]

id still much rather play a draenei than a tauren

[plush tendon]

Male Tauren>Male Draenei

[brave portal]

Should i be worried that my vers is only 3% (385ilvl)

[plush tendon]

Female Draenei>Female Tauren

[slim musk]

ye that one

[plush tendon]

no

[inland raft]

No we arent paper anymore

[brave portal]

superb

[plush tendon]

vers is not a stat we need to worry about like ever

get I level, then get haste

[inland raft]

Just chase ilvl and when that isnt a concern get haste

[plush tendon]

let the other stats falls as they do

[blazing elk]

So I simmed it, if I go purely for damage, I have to take Blazebinder's hoof and horn of valor, but I think i'll keep Granyth's scale and replace hoof by Horn of valor, in order to keep the shield for 15+

[brave portal]

this is what ive been doing yes

[slim musk]

oh man this is so great. over at the prevoker discord people are theorcrafting over whether 35% crit is the minimum requirement for the 2-set bonus to work properly and how to best optimize and min max to get the best out of every stat

and here its get i lvl i love it

[plush tendon]

The scale seems really underwhelming to me

I like Hoof over Horn though

[blazing elk]

6 to 9% of my overall healing in m+

and 1% dmg overall

[plush tendon]

id rather have damage from my trinket

[blazing elk]

u mean to go horn + hoof ?

[plush tendon]

I dont like double on use either

[blazing elk]

same

that's why I though going horn + scale

[plush tendon]

that seems fine

just replace that scale when you can XD

[blazing elk]

It doesn't seemed so bad to me ?

[plush tendon]

honestly, any setup with those trinkets probably alright

but you should aim for a windscar

[blazing elk]

Windscar is in raid ,

?

[plush tendon]

naw, CoS

its a DPS only trinket

but it slaps

[blazing elk]

Ah yes ! I'm already farming it, but don't have it ^^

And I would go horn + windscar

?

[plush tendon]

the passive raid trinkets are also good to get

[plush tendon]

that sounds alright

[blazing elk]

Well. I'll farm it, but until I get it, i'll keep scale + horn I think

[plush tendon]

I still think Hoof is better then Horn, but that may be more of a personal pref

[blazing elk]

for flat haste ofc

[craggy pilot]

how would you guys do RLP first room if you kill the Stone patrol + killing Flamegullet dragon upstairs 🤔

[plush tendon]

its flat haste (which is better then vers) and the on use is still strong

stacking strength and then some fire damage

[craggy pilot]

something like this? 🤔

or is the pull #2 too much?

[blazing elk]

and Horn + Hoof is quite good too, just not defensive oriented ?

both are on the same CD, so I can use both together

[plush tendon]

theres a 30 second CD though yea?

cant use two on use in a row

[blazing elk]

Both 2mn CD

Mean I can have the 30sc buff of horn, +20sc strength of hoof with aoe at end

can be quite strong

oh yeah

[plush tendon]

give it a go! I think both Horn and Hoof are better together then any combination with Scale

[sick sentinel]

other reason i choose horn, become valarjar mog + it have a cool horn sound too

[blazing elk]

Yep, quite hard to decide

[plush tendon]

Scale is just... meh

[blazing elk]

Scale is more defensive oriented

[plush tendon]

Which is kind of not needy

its a decent amount of opprotunity cost

and 7% healing from a trinket is the same as my raid ring

[blazing elk]

And I have Bocalt assembly ring too

Cobalt*

[craggy pilot]

is this an "ok" way to handle first room in RLP +15 🤔

[plush tendon]

I am always of the belief that its damage>defense until you absolutely have to get defense (which doesnt happen till much higher keys)

[storm merlin]

Pull 1 is fine, pull 2 is spicy

because you just sent CDs on pull 1

[plush tendon]

like, we chillin in BStance XD if you aint full time DefStance, no reason to worry about Def

[craggy pilot]

yea ok, i think ill just do it slow and pull in when ready

[plush tendon]

one thing to keep in mind.... people pop CDs at the start

[blazing elk]

I'm more in Bstance than defstance

I switch on spicy packs, or if need to tank something

[plush tendon]

so CDs will probably be down for the second pull (making it harder by default)

you can also pull more in that first pull and lust it

depends on how much you want to do at once; but in a 15, you dont need to be aggressive

assuming everyone has proper gear and can play their toon, just minimizing mistakes and avoiding wipes will time the key

[errant scarab]

guys, can you craft both 1h and shield? a guildie had a problem with 2 weps and dont want to fuck up

[sullen flame]

I've read this several times and I just don't understand the question.

[sick sentinel]

GG new cpu cooler and and ram today

[sullen flame]

You have 3 sparks, so you can craft 3 items. You can only wear 2 embellished pieces though.

[lusty tiger]

Should return and go noctua

[sick sentinel]

good enough, not running a super dupe computer

[lusty tiger]

[sick sentinel]

runs any game from now to 2000 144fps, doesn't quite do rtx good

[true patrol]

Is Frozen Devotion our goto in m+, or is Sophic okay too if i dont have the gold?

[sick sentinel]

unless im literal supposed to do that dlss down sample the image so it renders smaller resolution..... .. i don't understand how that stuff works and it makes my brain hurt

[tulip harness]

Is dark claw from the minions before last boss in temple something people struggle with? just jumped from 5 to a 12 and got hit like a truck there

[sick sentinel]

maybe 5090 gpu in another year or 2 or 3, we see what happens

[hot ore]

👍🏻

[sick sentinel]

noctua fans are good but they lack color

[astral crystal]

you can spell reflect

[sick sentinel]

they just don't look appealing

[astral crystal]

but also yeah, they hit really hard, have CDs for them

[tulip harness]

Did not realize, thanks

[brisk gust]

Lads would you switch 6 ilvls on 2 pieces to get 4 set?

[hot ore]

also many tanks rotate cds and them kite that pack

[clear spindle]

A lot of their most popular fans are being sold in black now. I went with the classic colors since you can't see into my PC. Cooling>looks in my opinion.

[tulip harness]

yeah I ended up having to kite it more than I wanted to

[cedar river]

If given the choice, which shield would you guys recommend crafting? the one with the vers embelsihment on it or the other one?

[plush tendon]

no embellished shield

make a normal one with nothing

[hot ore]

I have an easier time with paladin than my warrior there (on a 15-17 keys), even though he is 15 ilvl lower

[sick sentinel]

well sure, but they pretty much do the same thing in my case lol

[plush tendon]

better embellishments out there

[hot ore]

Just many more cds ro cyrcle

[slim musk]

okay ?? thankjs blizz?

[cedar river]

okay sounds good. so just get the reg shield with haste vers then

[plush tendon]

or slap on the food buff one that doesnt count towards your two

[cedar river]

that's true too

[slim musk]

random dungeon finder is just gone lol

[wheat maple]

yo, just looted strike twice at 398, it any good compared to the 402 haste vers raid weapon?

[tulip harness]

I can imagine

[sick sentinel]

me adding another or better cpu cooler to the one i want to put in is equivilance of like taking a 343 enhance to a 0 or +2 and then people warning him not to get threat off of me on pulls

[sweet summit]

(but no, ilvl is king)

[sick sentinel]

still going to get one thats better than one instaleld, but, won't take much to cover it

[slim musk]

do you use avatar on cd?

[plush tendon]

the proc is not worth the I level

you can play single minded fury though

[slim dove]

if they aren't dead by the time second dark claws come up, your dps is balls.

[solar blade]

@slim musk ill sync it with ra+roar demo or demo only

you can spellblock/reflect dark claws

[slim musk]

ravager+ thunderous roar and demoralizing shout? sorry i am super new to the class

[solar blade]

yes you right

[slim musk]

ah okay thanks a lot

[solar blade]

charge>midcharge avatar>(shieldblock>ip)>ravager>roar>demo

[reef holly]

The cobalt grind is truly terrible

[blazing condor]

its sleeper

takes some time

but you get juiced up enough its just face roll

[bold linden]

Is there a way to avoid or mitigate some of the heavy aoe dmg 1st Boss in RLP does? My group was around itemlvl 375 and we're massacred in 10 RLP on tuesday/ tyrranical week.

[sterile bough]

how does block from shiled work?

[solar blade]

you gotta understand ECd's aka effective cooldowns, avatar has 1min 30sec cd - 20sec uptime = 1,1min cd + anger management leads to absurs uptime on avatar so to answer you question yeah send avatar always with cds or demo shout

[keen star]

it takes like 1 hour

[slim musk]

thanks!

[solar blade]

@slim musk rav+roar are on 1min 30sec static cd, demo is on 45sec tho reduces by thunderclaps
idea behind everything is to get 1 demo+avatar rotation in between you rav+roar comb

you could say there are cd cycles you wanna play around

[slim musk]

ah yeah that does make sense. i made a weakaura now to track avatar and demo on my mouse cursor so hopefully ill remember to use it

[solar blade]

yeah sure, just try it on a dummy

go avatar+rav+roar+demo and fight till avatar and demo are back on cd to use them (try on multiple dummies cuz 1 target wont give enough cdr on demo because of how the talent works)

[slim musk]

on it!

[solar blade]

after that just wait for avatar and demo to be synced with rav+roar and you good! hope this helps a bit 😄

[slim musk]

time to practice

thanks youve been a huge help

[safe tundra]

Is there any debate on when to swap off the cobalt shield ring for m+, I see most warriors still running it but a few of the higher ones are running double haste rings at 402+ ilvl not sure if it’s just personal preference or better

[dusky burrow]

what is the best Gems to put in the Lariat?

[cedar river]

what are the top embellishments for prot? idk if it's listed somewhere and I couldn't find it, but was just curious if i should do one on my crafted weapon

[sterile bough]

main stat one with haste + haste/vers+haste/vers

[dusky burrow]

So stregth + hast/vers?

[safe tundra]

I pretty much just looked at what the top tanks on rio were doing and copied them. Seems to be vast majority weapon with physical dmg. And most elemental Lariat for second

[slim musk]

haha nbow its really in my face

i started loving mouse groups

[cedar river]

thanks awoken. I forgot to check that to answer most of my questions

much appreciated 🙂

[sterile bough]

why is it written on wowhead guide that we should craft this shield?

if the other one has such a bonus

[cedar river]

I was told because there are better embellishments

it counts as one of 2

[safe tundra]

313 vers is less than your latiart proc

I hate that word

[cedar river]

lmfao

[safe tundra]

Yeah I crafted unembelished shield

And use embellished neck/sword

[smoky haven]

does someone have dps talents for open world & killing trash

just wanna make key farming a bit faster

[plush tendon]

This 100%

there are better embellishments

Shield of Hearth is underwhelming

[slim dove]

shield is stuck with crit/mast AND that embellish forever

[jagged pier]

Has the wrong stats and that embelishment does nothing thats less vers than a ring gives

And vers is also not somthing we care about

[slim dove]

CRIT HASTE BABY

[safe tundra]

Y’all not running haste/vers in high keys?

[slim dove]

nope

[jagged pier]

No

[sweet summit]

i am running ilvl atm

i can't really pick and choose stats with what i have atm

[slim dove]

yeah ilvl > all pre much

[safe tundra]

You pick any of the top 20 rio tanks and most have their crafted as haste/vers tho?

Unless that’s a bug

[ember inlet]

Anyone know if "Strike Twice" weapon is worth upgrading ? or just save valor ?

[sterile bough]

isnt vers 2nd best stat?

sedondary stat

[wooden widget]

Having more stats is better than any single stat.

[sterile bough]

u have same amount of stats on missive crafting ...

[wooden widget]

In the Context of missive I would sim or go for haste

[sterile bough]

IT HAS 2 STATS THO

[wooden widget]

Sim second stat

And pls don’t yell at me

[sterile bough]

caps bruh

[wooden widget]

❤️

[plush tendon]

I would just craft one

to 418

upgrading weapons are expensive

[ember inlet]

Oki Doki ty ❤️

[jagged pier]

No

[plush tendon]

vers is a good stat, but 100% overrated in a lot of cases

Crit is better for damage

[jagged pier]

Crit will mitigate mpre damage in m+ over a dungeon cause parry

[plush tendon]

I think the rationale with Vers over Crit is parry does physical (which we already handle well) and vers is just flat DR which has value for things we can mitigate as well

[blazing condor]

also building crit for the totem trinket is neat

[plush tendon]

tru

[limber flame]

crit haste all day baby

[plush tendon]

but crit does more dam

and we like numbies

[limber flame]

more dmg = mob dead faster = more mitigated

[blazing condor]

i autopiloted and took haste vers on my missives

[plush tendon]

same

I still do haste vers cause im silly

[jagged pier]

U can recraft

[plush tendon]

yea, but effort

[mellow quartz]

Does it really do more damage in any noticeable way? I looked at full gems for crit vs mastery for example and the total difference in sims was 20 dps

[plush tendon]

I already rank 5 proced

[blazing condor]

true but no money

[surreal lion]

hey guys doing good ? quick question, is it good to make macro cast revenge with shield block ?

[blazing condor]

i will just cope and say i fucked up and thats why i suck

[tulip harness]

What do people spend their sparks on? is there like a nobrainer choice everyone goes for or different for different people?

[plush tendon]

naw

[mellow quartz]

Neck, engi bracers and a shield for me

[plush tendon]

the only macro that is worth is a ignore pain macro with SS on it

so when you cast ignore pain, it casts SS if available

[surreal lion]

Okay thx for the advice !

[plush tendon]

but not a SS macro where when you cast SS it cast ignore pain

[safe tundra]

Haven’t seen many tanks with a fire proc ring + belt

[jagged pier]

No

[tulip harness]

cool cool

[plush tendon]

I have the fire shield ring with frostfire

it does 7% of my healing in keys

[livid helm]

is stat prio str haste ver?

[plush tendon]

kind of strong

for a free proc

[safe tundra]

You running double shield rings or nah

[mellow quartz]

Maybe cause dps gets priority on it? Dunno.

[plush tendon]

I level>Haste>Crit/Vers>Mastery

[plush tendon]

no

I have a strong second ring

which will hopfully get replaced tonight with the fire damage ring on mythic

[safe tundra]

I have 402 Court ring + Noku and the cobalt ring

[plush tendon]

[safe tundra]

Not 100% sure if I want to drop cobalt

[plush tendon]

or Ill get the AA ring

[safe tundra]

It does a lot of healing

Or absorb*

[plush tendon]

cobalt ring is strong, but fire shield ring is stronger

[livid helm]

@plush tendon TY

[plush tendon]

and both seems.... overkill

[grave flower]

I use the cobalt dps ring

[safe tundra]

Yeah I prolly won’t get. tanked a 20 noku last night and was getting clapped but I crafted 418 shield after up from my 405. Just debating if two big haste rings is worth over shield

[sonic wadi]

when to replace guardian ring?

[limber flame]

replace with scholar ring for dps

[tulip harness]

are crafted items upgradable using valor?

[grave flower]

no, with primal infusions

[safe tundra]

Vast majority of big tanks seem to use 1 shield ring still, only a few aren’t and idk why

[plush tendon]

for me, these are when you replace cobalt rings: when you have the raid rings+frostfire belt, the AA ring, or just a massive I level ring from somewhere

[tulip harness]

only primal infusions? as in is that all I need?

[safe tundra]

Go to the crafting order guy and hit recraft, it’s an infusion and some mats but not another orb

Or matrix w/e they called

[grave flower]

yeah just mats and primal infusion

[tulip harness]

Yeah okay, cool cool, ty

[plush tendon]

recrafting is super chill

I also have my guildies in a lot of cases make the item first with lower level mats (to save gold) then use higher level mats to recraft

since you need less in recrafts

[slim musk]

waht the fuck man

i got kicked from the dungeon 2 seconds in

and now i have deserter

[plush tendon]

that sucks

[solid glen]

Quit deserting then!

[safe tundra]

Maybe you forgot to battle shout and they got mad

[slim musk]

i did battle shout

[safe tundra]

That’s dumb tho

[plush tendon]

actually happened to a guildie; they were doing a 12 SMB and he forgot to mark of the wild for two packs

and then the healer left cause no mark

[slim musk]

hunter whispered me

asked why i kicked them

and that they have deserter

gege

[prime umbra]

it's bugged atm

LFG

[grave flower]

no one in guild has shield craft...Im nervous about putting it into the world for a request lol

[craggy pilot]

anyone know which settings i need to be able to see Piercing Gale?

that shit zoomed me 3 times on a +16 COS

[plush tendon]

People are strange.... its why I only play with guildies

[slim musk]

oh really?

[safe tundra]

You on area52?

[grave flower]

nah

zul'jin

[plush tendon]

just post in trade chat

there are people

set the min to like rank 4

most rank 5s need to be proced

[safe tundra]

Friends guild is on there I can ask, horse I assume?

[grave flower]

yeah

[safe tundra]

Horde*

[plush tendon]

maybe textures?

Its always been pretty rough to see

[craggy pilot]

yea i feel i can barely see where i can stand

[vapid mountain]

Projected textures

[craggy pilot]

this is what i have, and cant see the line

[vapid mountain]

projected textures -> Ultra

[slim musk]

wow this bug has been in the game since 2018

[craggy pilot]

Projected Textures is a boolean though

Enabled/Disabled

no ultra

[vapid mountain]

then its spell density

[near pewter]

its partical density

[craggy pilot]

already have Partical Density Ultra

[near pewter]

then you just have to look at the floor and pray

[craggy pilot]

fucking hell

stupidest dungeon COS

by far

fuck that shit

[grave flower]

easy though on fort weeks

[craggy pilot]

everything is random, and all the frontals are invisible

[craggy pilot]

which part?

[grave flower]

the whole thing?

what lol

court of stars?

[craggy pilot]

on what lvl?

i got oneshot on last boss in +16

[plush tendon]

CoS is a free key

[grave flower]

16 so far

one shot on fort week?

yikes

[craggy pilot]

from a line i cant see

[quartz briar]

This is pretty general but are the Dragon games equipment bugging on Raz

I'm not able to kick them

[craggy pilot]

hits me for 480k

how am i supposed to live that?

[deep spruce]

increase graphics

[plush tendon]

trinket is wierd

[prime umbra]

yeah those can't be facetanked, you need to step out

[grave flower]

dont get hit, even if you cant see you know where theyre going

[safe tundra]

Do it a few times and you’ll be able to solo from 30% to 0

[deep spruce]

its literally a line on the floor

[slim musk]

purple on purple

[craggy pilot]

how do you know where theyre going?

[prime umbra]

literally did this yesterday

[slim musk]

or last boss grey on white

[quartz briar]

I hate it

[safe tundra]

Ran grief torch last night in a pug and I got to use it 3x

[deep spruce]

from add to boss

[craggy pilot]

they are between the mirrors or what?

[plush tendon]

maybe we need a chinese weakaura that turns all the lines into neon green

[deep spruce]

yep

[safe tundra]

They come from boss and mirror

[grave flower]

from where he dashed from to where his clone is

[safe tundra]

Every other rush

[craggy pilot]

ahh

[safe tundra]

Rush>lines>rush>aoe

[craggy pilot]

makes more sense then that i got 2 on top of each other

[fathom goblet]

to craft elemental lariat do I need all reagents lvl 3 ?

[safe tundra]

If group is having issues move boss away from lines after rush

[deep spruce]

but if they arent tightly grouped, there can be little space sometimes, so increase graphics

[safe tundra]

Or don’t and get grief torch proc

Either way win-win

[grave flower]

boss shouldnt be up long enough to cause a problem on fort weeks tbh

[deep spruce]

improve particle density

[safe tundra]

Try and avoid being by the leafs by the entrance, can mess some people up

[limber flame]

inky black potion makes them more visible i hear

[safe tundra]

How are y’all comparing to good healers for overall in 18+ keys? Close?

[grave flower]

is crafting an item at low quality then going for higher quality on recraft a solid strat? I hate this system

[safe tundra]

It’s more for the OG craft than the recraft, I just full send tho

I think more materials that is?

[grave flower]

guy is looking for skill ups and can make the shield for free with his mats, wont be solid quality but wondering if I can make it up on the recraft

[slim dove]

orange class best.

as it should be 🙏

[grave flower]

druid is all I take honestly.

[safe tundra]

I’ve had pretty rough luck with druids then

[limber flame]

ye i like evoker and druid

[bold merlin]

any tips for first boss RLP? I feel like I take a huge amount of damage. reflecting the odd shard, but she seems to spam it so it’s on cd for most of them

[limber flame]

evoker sometimes just int by accident thop

[slim dove]

evoker in melee stacks is cracked

evoker with 5iq hunters that stand in narnia are oof

[limber flame]

ye quad melee with evoker is fun

[tired pivot]

you have self heal, IP spell reflect, shield wall

[safe tundra]

I’ve had hpals do fine, pug rdruid seem to be awful tho

[tired pivot]

start with spell reflect

[limber flame]

im lucky my buddy is enhacnement shaman so i can have WF every raid/m+

[tired pivot]

then you can use heal after you fall by 30%

[limber flame]

convinced him to ignore the shaman discord and bring WF to m+

[slim dove]

my enhance dies 5+ every key and idk what to tell him

RL friend so i feel bad not playing with him lul

[safe tundra]

Inted 3 HoVs last week because 3 druids in a row died to first boss swords

[limber flame]

ye my DH buddy dies crazy amount lol

[safe tundra]

It’s all enhances

[slim dove]

nah ive played with some god enhancers

[safe tundra]

That’s why I’m happy I got grief torch

[tired pivot]

I played with a massive enhance

[limber flame]

literally dh jumping zipping around straight into frontals and shit

[tired pivot]

he was topping dps and not dying

[safe tundra]

Even with the deaths he’s still pumping tho

Normally top overall

[limber flame]

spell block dungeon

[slim dove]

my dh got grieftorch

[sharp bone]

"yo tank can you pls not aim frontals to where i'm about to dodge to behind you?"

[slim dove]

6-10% overall dam every key

broken trinket

[safe tundra]

It’s toxic the tank can get negative mark

[limber flame]

had dh fel rush into piercing shards

at least he got to experienced it too

[bold merlin]

good call, cheers

[safe tundra]

When half these dungeons have deadly cleaves

[limber flame]

ye she is a tough one, but if ur group can clear first boss its smooth sailing

i just make the dps clear me bro, i dont got time to move to them when im kiting mobs out of sanguine

[safe tundra]

Gotta intervene weave a ranged from time to time

Free charge

[dark mountain]

Do you use revenge or slam in st?

[safe tundra]

HoV and Noku seem like terrible pug keys this week

[limber flame]

dont click slam

remove slam

ye noku mobs in the first and third area kinda just sit in sanguine for extended amount of times

[dark mountain]

Okay ty:)

[safe tundra]

Group physically couldn’t kill the lightning pack on on the hill

After 3 wipes called an audible to clear more trash around the third boss and it was way too much % lol

Y’all using whirlwind in m+ or nah

[limber flame]

nope

if you need aoe just revenge/thunderclap

[zinc spruce]

u guys prefer thunderous words instead of sonic boom?

[sharp bone]

thunderous words is more dmg across a dung

[halcyon dust]

Before 4th boss? Just skip to the very far left. Grab trash to 85% before leaving 3rd boss area.

[zinc spruce]

okay

[sharp bone]

and you can use shockwave as an actual stop without detrimenting your dps

[safe tundra]

Yeah I might look for some better Noku routes

[limber flame]

ye better to use shockwave as a stop then a damage cd

[safe tundra]

Someone showed me Dorki’s routes yesterday and I tried his HoV and liked it

[halcyon dust]

I'll make an mdt once back at home.

[zinc spruce]

what team comp u guys like to run

for m+

[safe tundra]

I kind of liked enhance/WW/warlock/rdruid but that could be because they are guildies that don’t step in bad

[zinc spruce]

i didnt play since legion and i saw they nerfed drums

so i always try to put 1 BL user in

[safe tundra]

If I’m pugging prolly swap the WW or warlock for an outlaw

[zinc spruce]

pref evoker

[cinder storm]

Healer is disc, rest are pugs, normally we avoid hunters

[zinc spruce]

why hunters avoid

[safe tundra]

Hunter is ranged enhance

[zinc spruce]

ninja pull?

[safe tundra]

They just die if bad

Or don’t have a defensive

[sharp bone]

they also dont stand in melee on third boss of shadowmoon

even if you tell em multiple times

[cinder storm]

They have low sustain, some play bm, others don't push their buttons, they normally stay max range from healer, and it's rare to find decent hunters that can also dps, better to take a shammy or bring drums

[limber flame]

i like marksman in my keys

[zinc spruce]

but drums are like 15% iirc

[cinder storm]

Better than a dead dps after lusting

Or dying pre lust

[limber flame]

been liking enhance/sub/rdruid/prot/xxx

[safe tundra]

I feel like DHs aren’t bad but it’s hit or miss if they are full pepega or good at the class

[limber flame]

usually hunter or fury

[safe tundra]

Sub rogue is decent?

I have not seen one

[sharp bone]

ferals that know what they're doing are pretty nice aswell

[limber flame]

my rl buddy plays it and does well so we havent had any problems

[sharp bone]

but i guess on the other hand any spec that ppl rly know is nice

[jovial birch]

Kill trash to 94% take side entrance to last boss and only have to kill the two adds by boss.

[safe tundra]

That’s what I normally do

Just need to find a more optimal 94%. We killed totem but group kept wiping to the storm elemental packs in pugs

[plain saffron]

hey, what gems to put in elemental lariat?

[slim dove]

mainstat/haste

[safe tundra]

If there’s a better way to get % if groups just can’t kill

[plain saffron]

all 3?

[slim dove]

haste/crit (or haste/vers) x2

[plain saffron]

aight ty

[jovial birch]

Yeah I usually get the extra pat on first boss because it always gets ass pulled then pick up everything else at 3rd boss area while someone activated fight.

[cloud tide]

haste vers?

bis?

[zinc spruce]

is the raid hard for tanks

mechanics wise

[jovial birch]

Crit=vers

[cloud tide]

no

[jovial birch]

Haste is king

[cinder storm]

Plka's route

[slim dove]

its zzz

actually the most lul tier raid for tanks

[plush tendon]

raid tanking is usually ZZZ for tanks

[slim dove]

im used to healing

surprised how lax tanking is

[safe tundra]

I raise you M sire

[jovial birch]

My fun raid tanking is trying to always beat my previous parse but im in the 90s on most bosses now and it getting tough to do better.

[plush tendon]

Only thing I care about in raid is getting the kill

and doing damage

[limber flame]

think tanking the raid is teachign me bad habits lol

[plush tendon]

[safe tundra]

If you have some raid exp you can yolo/ dungeon journal most of the fights. A lot is common sense

[plush tendon]

I mean, any experience in general you can yolo the dungeons/raids for a bit

[safe tundra]

can’t comment on mythic taking this tier off

[plush tendon]

then you start learning the little nuisances in each dungeon/fight

[safe tundra]

Taking a tier off of mythic raiding to mess around on prot war

[plush tendon]

like, this tier is basically a collection of old bosses

[keen rune]

I usually try to be below the dps im ehrps

[plush tendon]

with a little tweak

[jovial birch]

Rogue in my raid on Tuesday had 20% of damage done by his grieftorch. It helped a few people died at separate times.

[plush tendon]

grieftorch is great

[safe tundra]

Was helping a friend farm their cos trinket

[plush tendon]

I hope by the time we get to the later Mythic bosses everyone has one

[jovial birch]

That’s insane and I need it

[fickle terrace]

what do we want to open weekly box as? gamble for grieftorch or?

[safe tundra]

That’s what I did and got it

Only other notable trinket is the parry one right? Off grim totem

[fickle terrace]

was lucky enough on bdk and got razageth weapon

[jovial birch]

I got a damn neck when I already have lariat feels bad.

[safe tundra]

Not counting first boss trinket because it’s first boss

Seems like a waste to try and burn the box on it

[fickle terrace]

so dps is the best? can craft the embelished shield i guess

[boreal bolt]

hello i have a question, can i equip the elemental lariat + frostfire belt ?

[jovial birch]

Yes

[boreal bolt]

k nice thanks

[jovial birch]

You can equip two embellishments

[velvet bison]

Hey, I'm a long time player just trying out tanking seriously for the first time, is there a place where I can learn the raid fights/m+ packs specifically as a tank or how to have good survival in general?

[boreal bolt]

ok i have crafted a shield too but i cannot put an embellish right ?

[floral moon]

tough to squeeze out the last bit of dmg

[safe tundra]

Idk that’s what I did. Had crafted sword/shield and wanted a chance at grief torch over the tank trinkets

[jovial birch]

Correct

[safe tundra]

Could make the argument for the parry trinket off of grim totem

[cinder storm]

Tanknotes for raiding, m+ practice and logs

[fickle terrace]

ima do that then

[jovial birch]

It’s not that good for warriors

[velvet bison]

thanks, I'll take a look

[safe tundra]

I thought nerftank ran it but maybe not

I think trinkets are just tight rn

[jovial birch]

Our parry % is usually pretty low if it procs on block that would be a different story

More of a druid or dk trinket

[boreal bolt]

k thank you, i have the lariat and the shield with embelish so i cannot equip the belt but do u think its worth to remove the embelish from shield and put the belt (i have the ring from eranog too)

[jovial birch]

I mean I have it and use it but the damage from it is pretty low

[safe tundra]

No cap I actually kind of like that 372 dmf deck, decent shield on 1.5m cd + vers after it breaks

Was nice for when I was gearing up

[boreal bolt]

like i guess my overall with the shield embellish is 2%

in a key

i think i will deal much more with the ring and belt

[safe tundra]

I personally would

[jovial birch]

Better then fang adornments then that is usually around 1% for me

[fickle terrace]

@safe tundra got cloak 🤮

[safe tundra]

Oh no

At least that was on both loot tables lol

[jovial birch]

Personally I would if I had that ring

[boreal bolt]

anyone here have the ring from eranog + the frostfire belt to tell us how much you deal overall ? ^^

[jovial birch]

Belt is good on its own and even better if it’s proccing the ring

[boreal bolt]

kk

[limber flame]

i mean if you are going haste/crit its actually decently high

[sturdy sable]

you can just sim it

[boreal bolt]

that what i though too

[safe tundra]

Is the proc rate the same as the shield ring? I know someone said that they have that

[boreal bolt]

yh true

[floral moon]

In a 17 COS my belt did 1.3% and ring did 1.7% (heroic ring)

[limber flame]

if u dont have griefertorch i think all totem 2nd best for m+

[jovial birch]

I am stacking crit as best as I can I’m at 23% and only like 7.8% chance to parry

[boreal bolt]

k nice so its like 1 or 1,5% more than the embelish shield

[floral moon]

On mythic terros it did 0.92% belt and 1.15% ring

[boreal bolt]

hmm k

that not that much but e

[jovial birch]

Will perform better@in dungeons then raid.

[floral moon]

still 1k dps on terros

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/j9yMXwYBGgh6mkV7#fight=21&type=damage-done

[jovial birch]

Yeah it’s definitely better on larger pulls in dungeons. I need to try it against rumbling ruby I’ve seen a lot of high M+ warriors running ruby.

[craggy pilot]

we usually say Embellish is around 1% dps right? 🤔
seems my Frostfire belt is about 1.8% of my DPS currently

seems nice

at 35k dps

[limber flame]

ye im running normal ruby right now

[full violet]

Ppl Always talking about raid trinkets, i am myself m+ only and lack decent choices besides hoof

[marble cipher]

https://youtu.be/SVO4Mn6kVVo
Is that aoe taunt that stops the cast? And if so, at what timing is it actually done, can't really see that in the video.
Maybe I shouldn't watch it on my phone but full screen on monitor though.
Context: interrupt the shield in first boss in RLP

[limber flame]

feels ok, stacks are super slow even with big pulls

ye its probably talented disrupting shout

[jovial birch]

I did notice that beating on target dummies with it equipped I was surprised how long it took to get 10 stacks.

[limber flame]

ye takes fuking forever lol

[marble cipher]

Ah, not the default one, I see

[limber flame]

ye, looks like right as teh cast finishes he does it

[stiff gate]

Wailing Arrow can also cancel the shield, so it’s something to do with blanket silences.

[tranquil yarrow]

Good morning squad - does anyone have a BIS list for the 3 gem slots on lariat for prot? Im new so if I need to look somewhere else please just let me know 😄

[jovial birch]

Full haste, haste crit, haste vers

[marble cipher]

Primary stat + haste and then two haste vers or haste crit ones

[jovial birch]

You want three different element gems they can stack procs

[marble cipher]

True

[tranquil yarrow]

So maybe a fierce illimited, resplendent illimited and an inscribed illimited?

[sharp bone]

so the primary stat+haste gem ideally in a diff gem slot than lariat?

[light blaze]

I took a look at some top rated warriors on Rio and saw a lot of Haste/Verse (combined gem). all the same element. is this 100% the way?

[tranquil yarrow]

fierce is primary stat + Haste

I have the one

need 2 more

[jovial birch]

Hmm that’s interesting. I don’t know why you would run multiple. I don’t think the procs will refresh themselves on the same element but they will stack different ones.

[blazing condor]

what oil yall running

[light blaze]

This is what I was referring to @jovial birch

[marble cipher]

You can only equip one of those epic ones

[light blaze]

Was seeing a lot of this on Rio

[tranquil yarrow]

ahhh that makes sense

[sharp bone]

potentially cause of the "highest key" oneshots?

allthough 66 vers doesnt change much

[tranquil yarrow]

ok so that screen shot looks like one fierce illimited with two craft ysemeralds I guess

[light blaze]

Energized but yes

[tranquil yarrow]

thats what I meant

ty ty

[jovial birch]

Yeah see personally it makes more sense to me to have a haste crit as 3rd gem

But I can’t imagine those high rates warriors are clueless.

[sharp bone]

can the illimited proc from lariat though?

[light blaze]

current #2 and #3 rank warr both have it this way. #1 leans the way you think

I'm not sure what is optimal at this point 😂

[jovial birch]

Haha I am surprised how many ppl I have talked to that don’t know how the procs work so maybe they don’t know….

Holding themselves back from #1 😂

[tranquil yarrow]

hahaha

well shit

not I want a diff third

[light blaze]

Lol. Is it confirmed to proc at the same time on different gems, but not stacking on the same gem then?

[oak echo]

am i misunderstanding the change they made a while back that made it so you can't get multiple buffs?

or idk what you mean by stacking different ones

[jovial birch]

Maybe I was unaware of that change if that’s true

In my understanding each different “element” procs and if you have multiple different ones they can proc at the same time and stack

[oak echo]

that is how it worked, but there was a change i think 1 or 2 weeks ago that made it so the proc rate is unaffected but i think it just won't proc a 2nd time until the first buff expires or something like that

[fossil vapor]

hey, after lariat, sword and shield are recommended craft, but we can only have 2 type of embellishment equipped rigth? plus drop best stat shield and weapon (haste/versa).

[sharp bone]

yeah this is whats confusing me aswell

[floral moon]

I just checked two logs where the Primary stat gem was a diff color from their other 2 gems

and they only had one lariat buff

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2jB8fZtJFGV9QrCR#fight=67&type=auras&source=634

[wide charm]

primary doesn't count iirc

[jovial birch]

Yeah I always have 3 different buffs in my logs running 3 different gems