protection

[grim grotto]

who can kill ur group

dont like them

[sterile bough]

I love the fucker on ele boss casting frontal in sanguinef for 5 sec

[slim dove]

when giant sha in last pack temple sits in 3x sanguine while breathing

[grim grotto]

^^ btw. the cobalt ring with shield is still 9% of my healing. thats pretty huge. do we ever replace it in case of defensive gear ?

[sterile bough]

had this mofo do that today as well

20%-> 60% during one cast

life is fun

[limber flame]

had tht shit happen in offensive

casting like the eruption ability just standing there

casting the literally longest cast ever in sanguine

[sterile bough]

AV also fun

witht the big bois in ring platforms

[grim grotto]

av seems bugged since 2 days. on the first ring u pull packs from 2nd ring

[sterile bough]

the whole gfame is bugged

every dungeon there are bugs

[limber flame]

had a wipe because 2nd boss in AV we pulled and pulled the dragon somehow down the stairs

literally just teleported ontop of the boss

shoulder slamming people into orbs, was such beautiful synergy

[minor sparrow]

why does shield slam sometimes giga crit

like 140k+

[wary heath]

Talent

[grim grotto]

the most annoying thing in av is, that when u activate ur spellreflection on endboss because hes casting the dragon thing, and then it cancel the cast , cast something else, and then the dragon thing again :>

[slim dove]

he only cancels to do the crystal shit i think

so 75/50/25

[grim grotto]

ah nice to know. but still not really predictable because u need to hammer the spellreflection on the first one, to have it ready on the 2nd one also

[mighty egret]

outburst with rolling CDs

[minor sparrow]

makes sense thanks

[warm plinth]

Also brace for impact

25% increase to SS damage with full stacks

[zealous grove]

someone explain to me HOW tf to do tree boss. Can't seem to do it. Bricked a 17 down to an untimed 15. I have been getting my groups to hard stack on me, run clockwise for germ, and lust on 2nd set of adds. What am I doing wrong

[quick iron]

Cant let the adds hit you and the healer has to dispel the poison because it stacks up so quickly

[zealous grove]

I can't let the adds hit me? how do you stop that from happening o.O

[quick iron]

Team with slows/aoe stuns, its pretty brutal

I tend to loop around, use shield wall to help obv

[willow marsh]

Hi question i stack just haste versa ignore others or what i need help

[zealous grove]

!pins

[willow marsh]

Everyone says other stats one say haste versa other haste crit -.-

and im new^^

[urban portal]

crit is more damage

[night galleon]

how hard is it to get outhealed by a prot war

[willow marsh]

If i go only m+ ?

[quick iron]

Afaik vers is safe option, crit I'd if you think you're tanky enough and like the extra damage, critical also helps with critical blocks I believe

[urban portal]

crit is parry

mastery is crit block

[sick sentinel]

almost every tank is outhealing healers rn

in keys*

if that's what you mean

[night galleon]

does this make sense though

this shaman was litearlly healing 5k during pulls

[sick sentinel]

with no context it's hard to tell

[night galleon]

+11 AA

[sick sentinel]

that's still not context

A healer with a group that doesn't take damage and knows how to use defensives is gonna have lower hps, just naturally.

Now if your team is speed running it

[night galleon]

i was taking SO much damage i was testing out a all dps build

[sick sentinel]

If YOU, as the tank, are the one one getting melted, that's on you usually.

[night galleon]

i wasnt getting melted

the healer just wasnt healing

[pallid quiver]

The more damage you take, the more of your healing actually works, too

[night galleon]

id sit at 30% for like 15 seconds spamming sb and ip

[pallid quiver]

So, like, optimally, you should outheal the healer in M+

[sick sentinel]

If you're sitting at 30% for 15 seconds, you're also doing something wrong

[night galleon]

i think im just trying to rationalize how this healer was putting out 5k healing

[pallid quiver]

^^^

[night galleon]

listen i was mongo pulling big to pad meters

[sick sentinel]

You're trying to rationalize how the healer was putting out 5k healing AND it not be your fault

[pallid quiver]

Ignoring IV or anything else, indomitable should outheal damage that slow

[night galleon]

well im going to chock it up to bad healer and move on

also into the fray is not fun

[sick sentinel]

lmao

[pallid quiver]

That's the way to improve; never take accountability or review your own actions

[sick sentinel]

if that's what you've taken from this exchange

good luck

[night galleon]

did i mention he would pop earth ele constantly after sanguine drops

[dawn canyon]

Prot log in #449510248579858432

[pallid quiver]

You're really just venting instead of trying to get advice, as a heads up, so yer gonna get remarks

[sick sentinel]

this has nothing to do with the healing comment

[pallid quiver]

And shoot, I'm at work; if they can wait like 30 mins i can check it out

[dawn canyon]

Im sure theyll be very happy if someone gets back to them in general

[night galleon]

ok how is it a me problem if the healer cant break 20k?

[dawn canyon]

There's 2 sides to the coin usually

[mighty valley]

we don't care about how someone we don't know did

[dawn canyon]

Yes they didnt do well, but we can do better and make them falling short hurt us less

[night galleon]

am i supposed to solo the dungeon? what else can i do?

[dawn canyon]

And without a log it's guesswork and ranting (which is ok in doses imo)

[sick sentinel]

if you think sitting at 30% hp for 15 seconds isn't your fault, at all, idk what to tell you brother

[dawn canyon]

Sometimes you just wanna bunch a pug

(not the dogs)

[mighty valley]

you came in and told us that you played a bad build and pulled huge and stupid with a group you didn't trust

sounds like there was a lot that was in your hands

[night galleon]

youre right oswin ill just use my lay on hands to heal up

[sick sentinel]

...

[dawn canyon]

That's the spirit

[sick sentinel]

you are something else

stop expecting insert great healer name here when you're not insert great tank name here

[dawn canyon]

Ellesmere lepan

[latent flame]

Ravager or Shield Charge for m+?

[minor sparrow]

yes

[dawn canyon]

Alright time to dip from prot channel for another 3 months

[night galleon]

so what is your ideal solution

[sick sentinel]

produce a log

[night galleon]

should i never test new builds?

[sick sentinel]

for people to look at

not think that you're always doing things right?

control what you can control

[pallid quiver]

You need yo adjust on the fly no matter what to ensure a run goes well

If the big pulls weren't working, then stop doing them

And before going in to "test" a new build, come somewhere like here and talk about it, first

[solid glen]

So... why do people seem to hate on Spiteful storm?

[brisk gust]

Can someone teach me how to kite last pack of adds in jade serpent. Just wiped and destroyed +19 in time

[oblique garnet]

Shockwave and leap

[brisk gust]

I’ve always had a problem with that pack, either the mobs are to spread or i’m to close for the claw

[mighty valley]

stay in as long as CDs and spell reflect and externals will allow then leap away and just run

[oblique garnet]

Unless you have a slow on them the mobs will get close enough to you to claw

But the pack should die fast

People sometimes BL it

[feral dune]

do yall do key logs or just raid logs?

[brisk gust]

You know any video on high keys prot vod i can watch?

Feel like that’s the Only pack atm i’m kinda worried about in all dungs

[sick sentinel]

Lepan did it the other day and talked about it as he was doing it, not sure what day it was though so not helpful

[oblique garnet]

@patent osprey might have some vods where hes doing jade temple

[arctic marten]

When the Overgrown Ancient casts Burst Forth, its next cast will be Barkbreaker. Mitigation is needed to survive the damage intake.
AA 18 example: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a:7aAVLTHfYPBdNGtx#fight=last&pull=2&type=damage-taken&pins=0%24Main%24%23244F4B%24auras-gained%240%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%24193780446.0.0.Warrior%24false%24388544^0%24Separate%24%23909049%24auras-gained%240%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%24193780446.0.0.Warrior%24false%24871^0%24Main%24%23a04D8A%24damage%241%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%24193780446.0.0.Warrior%24false%24388923&source=3

[brisk gust]

Does spellblock work against dark claw?

[warm plinth]

Yes, reflect and block both do

[brisk gust]

Lmao so you can just spec in spellblock and stand afk in that pull

[warm plinth]

Does anyone know if enchants stay when you recraft something?

[tidal cradle]

Does your little wigs or whatever you use tell you when the boss is about to use Claw Frenzy? No one in my group sees it and all the melee get nuked on higher keys.

[warm plinth]

Just to clarify, your group needs to be IN claw frenzy, not out of it

It's a meteor effect; it splits between the people in range

[naive laurel]

so I have about 20% haste, and lariat r5 with haste gems. can i switch off into the fray now?

[tidal cradle]

That makes a lot more sense than how the leader wanted to do it.. thank you! I will watch the guide again.

[warm plinth]

Yeah you basically need the entire group in there on higher keys. So you stay in melee and then move out for ravenous leap, then back in after

It's not blockable either

Though the DPS/healer are in far more danger than we are since we have high armor and more HP

[shut summit]

(ignores armor tho) 🙂

[warm plinth]

Yeah I was just looking at the log again and was like actually I don't think armor even works on it

At least we have HP I guess lol

[sonic crown]

is there a bis list?

aynone can l ink

[warm plinth]

No. Highest ilevel piece. Shoot for haste on same ilevel pieces. Sim for damage.

[glacial skiff]

so wowhead/IV have diff ench suggestions for weapon ench, do you all suggest primary or haste?

[sonic crown]

anyone know choker of shielding?

does that on use effect count as an ebelishment?

its from crafting

[oak totem]

Out improvised tank got struggled on Heroic Rasz and dont know what was happening. we found it

11min fight btw

[oak ivy]

No one asked but the way my guild is doing H broodkeeper is A. fun as fuck B. extremely difficult for me C. wrong but be proud of me pls I'm doing 70% mit and a 99 healing

you'll have to sue me for 100% uptime on dstance but im solo tanking the boss

thank you

top is healing bottom is dtps

[safe tundra]

Highly recommend grief torch in pug keys if you can swing one as a tank (16 cos)

[sonic crown]

where do you get grieftorch

[mortal brook]

Broodkeeper

or just get one from the weekly dungeon event heroic cache 🎰

[sonic crown]

any trinkets you recommend from crafting?

[safe tundra]

In comms I’m like “I should open this as arms for torch” and looted it, guild was pissed

[mortal brook]

good

[safe tundra]

I went sword/neck for Emblish and used third on shield

Just a reg crafted shield, first boss of mythic drops a shield too which is feelsbad but trying to get some 20s done this week hopefully

[oak ivy]

i have never had a boss keep me s o unbelievably on my toes and forcing me to be perfect without being like, tilting, but trying to solo tank broodkeeper (other guy's just tanking adds the whole time) is an e x p e r i e n c e

it's fucking fun tho

[coarse flower]

is the dragon games trinket bugged on terros? I cant seem to be able to kick the balls in lol

[regal epoch]

Hey folks - Just catching up on prot warrior and had a question about offensive CD's in keys. With Avatar/Demo shout having variable CD's, is there a rule of thumb to use when it comes to lining up ravager/dragon roar/shield charge with them?

In essence, how long should I hold any of these CD's for each other?

[mortal brook]

Terros spider and razzy yep

[oak ivy]

someone teach me to read this

Actual, Blocked, Unmitigated, mitigated?

[warm plinth]

A = absorbed. Other than that, you're correct.

The amouont you took is the number to the left of the A.

[oak ivy]

Ohhh okay gotcha

[warm plinth]

amount*

Unmitigated is not the amount you failed to mitigate, to clarify. It's the raw damage the ability did prior to damage reductions and absorbs.

[oak ivy]

Right

thank you 😄

[warm plinth]

Sure thing

[bold viper]

402 set piece dropped, i could take and get my 2 set but ill lose 9ilvl in the process, legs, thoughts? ive heard so many mixed opinions on the set bonuses and sacrficing ilvl, really dont know what to do

[lilac bloom]

doing heroic dethea.. the swirlies on the add phase always kills me is there a way to mitigate that

[uneven locust]

is the tier set effect good?

[fresh zealot]

Whats a good third piece of gear to craft 418 i got neck and shield right now

[fading halo]

do we have a soft haste cap?

[rare vault]

Had a question on crafting gear. What should we be aiming for on crafting?

[ionic fern]

Frozen/Primary.

[ionic fern]

Shield/Weapon/Neck are all solid options.

Generally it's up to you.

[ionic fern]

Avoid them?

Just side-step.

[ionic fern]

No, well, technically the stat DR does kick in.

[rare vault]

thanks

[fresh zealot]

if i have a 415 wepaon already it is better just to go for non tier piece

[lilac bloom]

they came in between blow back and that screwed me up

[ionic fern]

If you already have a 415+ shield as well (or are raiding, as the first boss drops a shield), then yes.
Also depending on the embelishments you already have, neck/waist seem the most promising, though they are all mostly in the 1% area.

[fresh zealot]

I went with neck shield embelishment

[ionic fern]

You can position the big add further from the edge so you have more room to dodge the swirlies.

[fresh zealot]

Looking at logs most warriors in mythic prog dont seem to be favoring 4pc. I have helm and shoulder so maybe thinking of doing chest 418 until broodkeeper shoulder token

[ionic fern]

Well, there was a bug with BrV not working properly which would hinder the 4pc slightly. But afaik it got fixed.
Maybe they don't have 4PC yet. 👀
That said, it provides no offensive value, and we are already really solid defensively, so going for more damage with alternative pieces is a good choice, especially if it will still take some time to reach Dirna for your guild.

[lilac bloom]

ok will do that thx

[pallid quiver]

we still don't know how fixed it is. every single last person who's looked into it, nome included, has gotten different results that even differ between different mob types

i just scream like a monkey and throw things at my computer screen over it

[warm plinth]

Yeah Nome said it worked in a key, then didn't work in a key, then worked on target dummies

So who knows

[pallid quiver]

i only ever got it to work on open world mobs

that i was tracking, at least

[ionic fern]

Just going by what i saw.

🙂

And it was working for me.

Maybe a fluke, maybe not, idk. 🤷

[somber hinge]

If I wanted to play all 3 specs of warrior, what would be good general secondary stats for the Elemental Lariat?

[ionic fern]

OH

OH

@blazing condor

LOOK

A CROW WITH A KNIFE

[ionic fern]

No idea what other specs want. For us it's haste.

[somber hinge]

Very well. Thank you for your input!

[full violet]

Fury mastery arms crit iirc

[pallid quiver]

yeah that's how the convos have always gone. it feels like it should be fixed now, and i recommend everyone to act as if it's 100% fixed

[floral moon]

i drop from 4pc to 2pc after a few pulls to get a feel for prog

assuming the higher ilvl non tier

[sick sentinel]

Anybody got a taunt swap pack for raid?

[woven trellis]

how relevant is 4p exactly

[warm ruin]

I have the same question about 2p

[weak goblet]

Hey guys im new to prot. What are the actual buffs i need to keep track of my spell procs as a tank? i dont really care about the dmg buffs cause they dont affect my "rotation" in any way

[hidden ether]

how the hell do you do the last trash pack in Jade?

just ran it at a 14 and we had so many deaths

[weak goblet]

im asking cause i use luxtho's weakauras but there seems to be just so much bloat from buff tracking than i need to

[quartz mist]

lust and focus sha down asap and kick the fear , gg

[ionic fern]

It's solid defensively.

[ionic fern]

It's fine.

[ionic fern]

Wdym buffs? Your own buffs? SB/SS procs/Outburst/CD's ?

[ionic fern]

Kite if needed.

[hidden ether]

i kited for so long

ran out of it all. but someone lusted on the boss before hand so that was a mistake

[weak goblet]

my own buffs. weakauras currently is tracking rend uptime/brace impact/ seeing red/ show of force etc

[ionic fern]

I did it on a 18 yesterday and face tanked the majority of it with CD's, but was too late to leap out at the end to start kiting. 😦

So just rotate CD's and once they run out, kite.

[weak goblet]

and i feel that i dont need them as they dont affect my playstyle

[ionic fern]

🤷

[rare vault]

@ionic fern theres no difference on crafting Obsidian vs Primal weapons seems? is this right?

[hidden ether]

Yeah we +3 a shadow 11 and were not prepared for jade 14

now i have a court 13 and am probably just gonna make it a guild run and go for the miss

cause court is hard AF

[ionic fern]

Then don't track them.
SB/Outburst.

[ionic fern]

Seems like it.

[rare vault]

just asking thanks

[quartz mist]

should i change any enchants or embellish ?

[ionic fern]

Only the last boss. And considering it's fortified, cos is a joke.

[ionic fern]

Do you want to change any enchants or embellishments? 👀

I'm confused about the question.

[hidden ether]

I will watch a video on it

last time a ran it I overpulled trash by like 25%

and the fucking RP at the end is gross

[ionic fern]

[weak goblet]

I see. We track outburst mostly for the rage and ignore pain right? the dmg increase is irrelevant in survival situation

[ionic fern]

Stop saying damage increase is irrelevant.

I'll write a essay about it if you continue.

[weak goblet]

no in a survial situation

[hidden ether]

leach? the shortest essay ever?

[ionic fern]

Yes, also in a SURVIVAL SITUATION.

Outburst up.
DO I SS OR TC?!?!?!?

[weak goblet]

okey

[ionic fern]

SS provides more rage.

Rage provides more spell usages.

So you track it to know when to use the proper ability.

[quartz mist]

?? how is it confusing lol , should I use a diff enchant or embell for M+ or is that the go to

[prisma echo]

Brother as few days in this discord i learn that there is no survi situation for protection tank. We are so busted that there shoudnt be any defensive threat for us (if there is its mean we use our cooldown wrong) so we should maximize our dps and focus on it because faster we kill, less dmg we take

[weak goblet]

well im still garbage to the spec so im trying to clean the weakaura pack to actually start improving. I apreciate the input

the suite is tracking 150 diff dmg increase procs that idk how to "proccess" mentaly

[brittle owl]

majority of damage procs feed into your "survival" in one way or another

[prisma echo]

For me basics of basics is Shield Block uptime and Ignore Pain uptime (and how much i can consume). This is like literally baseline of our playstyle. Then you move to procs and to use skills more often and dont cap rage

and other buffs and cooldowns etc

[pallid quiver]

I only saw it for a glance, but by far the most important out of all the buffs you listed it tracking is the Seeing Red stacks

those are vitally important, since you want to send those on SS in all cases except for damage purposes in bungo AOE

even in smaller AOE situations, an outbursted SS does more damage than an outbursted TC

On top of that, the rage influx is very likely to make you overcap unless you prep for sending the outburst

[brittle owl]

@ionic fern s2 bfa says hi

[weak goblet]

I apreciate the input. Coming from BM hunter where the only thing i kept up was Frenzy so its kinda overwhelming weakauras wise

[pallid quiver]

At a minimum level for buff tracking, all you need is Seeing Red stacks and Shield Block uptime

IP will be up if playing well

you also 100% need someway to see SS resets considering that's our big boy button

[hidden ether]

yeah Luxothos is good but it has a few to many things. I wannt to remove the rend and maybe remove the brace for impact

and the thunderclap buff... it will litterally never change my rotation

[weak goblet]

ye im starting to clean it up cause i just cant learn/differenciate what everything is

exactly

[broken mulch]

🤔 when doing a new difficulty of key's for the first time how do you allocate where to use Ur CDs? In raid I find it fairly easy to find out when to use but in m+ it's eighter too late or I'm sitting on then for 5 years

[hidden ether]

do you know what those 3 are under?

[weak goblet]

dynamic effects

[warm plinth]

The things that hit you hard in the previous difficulty will hit even harder in the higher difficulty. Your CD usage shouldn't necessarily change just because you're doing a higher key level.

[hidden ether]

then just delete the buffs i dont want?

[weak goblet]

i change it to load > never

incase u end up needing them again and updating the main grp it wont reimport them

[warm plinth]

If you get hit hard by something as you're pushing up, remember it for next time and use a CD there

[pallid quiver]

You should also generally err on the side of just sending things like Shield Wall, since if you end up needing it after having already sent it, you learn, and if you don't, you reduced your damage intake. Shield Wall especially gets benefit, as its cooldown is reduced with rage spent if you're using Anger Management (which you should be doing) and landing Shield Slams with the Wall (which should be your default pick)

[warm plinth]

Solid advice sir

[ionic fern]

Read a guide. Or literally search this channel.
"Hello, i already enchanted a weapon and did everything. Please confirm".

[quartz mist]

cheers just wanted peoples opinion

[floral moon]

i'm running the same wep if thats a good enough opinion lol

[ionic fern]

Nope. Generally you should have an idea of what the most dangerous packs/situations are.

For example in Jade:
-Haunting Gase, have something up
-Last pack, have something up/kite
-3rd boss Jade phase, have something up.

And Dark Claw.

[west yew]

just something you will get a feel for as you run the dungeons

[ionic fern]

Yes, Frozen is good. Yes, the weapon is good. Yes, Rune is good. Yes, Embelishment is fine.

In AoE i'd swap the rune to a AP buff instead.

[unkempt palm]

I’m sure I’m not playing well but after playing prot paladin I started playing my prot war for fun in 12-13s and I feel so reliant on my team to help me with kicks/stops. I’m pulling like I’m a prot paladin still but aside from changing my pulls do you guys feel helpless sometimes in form of mob control?

[ionic fern]

Very-very rarely.

[tawdry dove]

is there a way I can reduce threat in raid? I keep pulling agro off my cotank

[ionic fern]

SW/DS/SR as short CD defensives.
Storm Bolt / Shout / Shockwave / kick as interrupts

[ionic fern]

Tell your co-tank to play better.

[tawdry dove]

it's a BM monk so it does pretty low damage

[west yew]

if your team isn't braindead you should be fine using kick and shockwave exclusively for your interrupts with the occasional stormbolt

[tawdry dove]

whenever I start shredding in battle stance I take aggro on accident

[young mango]

Ppl in that range do Not know Dungeons they barely know Boss mechanics but dont have a clue about interrupt prio

[west yew]

but i've had a few groups that dont know they have an interrupt button and i've had to use everything lmao

[unkempt palm]

I don’t feel low tankiness it’s more I charge to get a kick and pray my pugs will kick another caster so grouping is good, when pugging do you try and assign kicks or just yolo?

[ionic fern]

Storm Bolt / Shout / Shockwave / kick as interrupts

[young mango]

They just interrupt if they can they seem like Not Tracking group cds its disgusting

[unkempt palm]

I play interrupt shout as well for this

[ionic fern]

[pallid quiver]

which is funny, because Brew is one of the higher damage tanks.

so, i repeat what Mwahi said

Tell your co-tank to play better.

[unkempt palm]

Probably a me issue pulling like 4/5 casters and playing like I have divine toll lol the stuns are nice but it doesn’t group mobs nicely

[west yew]

i've been duoing dungeons with my friend in voice and i just yell at him to use his interrupt and that usually solves the grouping problem

but even in my solos i haven't really had a problem

[unkempt palm]

Instead of pulling multiple casters on pull I can chain into them?

[ionic fern]

Ah yes, the good old "MY CLASS IS BAD NOT ME" argument.

[west yew]

if you're pulling aggro off any tank in raid they are doing something wrong, not you

[ionic fern]

Give me a more specific scenario cause i got no idea what packs you are struggling grouping.

[young mango]

Btw anyone else feels Like tjs is cancer this week? Last pack before endboss

[west yew]

some caster packs with do or die interrupts you just simply should not chain pull in pugs

[ionic fern]

Rotate CD's - Kite.

[west yew]

because you cannot expect pugs to interrupt unless it's higher keys and they know what they're doing

[unkempt palm]

First pull of RLP, I pull big stone guy, 2 mobs right behind and continue on into hallways and grab pack immediately after hall so about 8-9 mobs I think 2-3 casters

[ionic fern]

Ok, easy.

Pull big stone guy.
2 mobs behind them, continue to hallway, pull casters, leap back

LoS.

GGwp.

[pallid quiver]

if i go to pull the casters, the DPS end up dead 50% of the time.

I don't even know how it's not like there's much party damage with just those 3 i don't understand

[unkempt palm]

Yeah ok that there is what I need the LoS portion, I stand in middle of pack pretending I press DT lol. But instead I wait to see if my team helps but they don’t. I gotta los more

[pallid quiver]

i really think i need to play DPS more so i can become less sympathetic

[unkempt palm]

Thanks @ionic fern

[ionic fern]

It's a learning curve.

I also came from Paladin a way back.

And missed all my "party utility" with heals/interrupts etc.

[unkempt palm]

Yeah I’m so reliant on As and dt

[ionic fern]

In my experience it's them just ignoring big stone guys casts.

So they just stand in the circle.

And die.

😂

[pallid quiver]

... that might be it

[quartz mist]

what dungeons see spell block used for high keys , im assuming jade serpent and ruby life pool are prime candidates

[young mango]

Should mobs no longer target the Same Person ?

[compact jackal]

AV and RLP are spell block dungeons, right?

[unkempt palm]

What was your first hurdle from pal to war similar to mine or something else?

[ionic fern]

AV/RLP/Jade in high enough keys, yes.

[compact jackal]

Anything in specific for those to look out for for its usage?

[young mango]

NO probably @quartz mist

[compact jackal]

Wait, does Spell Block help on the 2nd boss in RLP?

[ionic fern]

Getting used to things that i can't cheese anymore with DS.
Getting used to not being able to save my teammates with HOTP.

And then interrupts.

[quartz mist]

yeah NO is blah

[ionic fern]

No.

It's a bleed.

[compact jackal]

[unkempt palm]

Fair points, thanks for input!

[compact jackal]

I really enjoy RLP.

[quartz mist]

i also enjoy RLP

[ionic fern]

It's not that horrific after the nerfs.

[compact jackal]

I've run more CoS than any other M+

[quartz mist]

my CoS runs are about 30 for that ring lol

she finally dropped tho

[compact jackal]

I want the neck, feet, cloak, trinket

[quartz mist]

the trinket slaps hard af

[compact jackal]

probably replace the blazebinder

rumbling ruby is lit

[ionic fern]

I just want the trinket.

But i'm not deliberately running CoS.

Though i think we got a 19 CoS this week.

[compact jackal]

Well you see

[ionic fern]

[compact jackal]

I enjoy CoS

I dislike HoV, AV, AA, RLP

and I REALLY enjoy CoS

[woeful bramble]

Guys is there any shield i can buy from auction house so i can get started till i can drop one from m+?

[ionic fern]

Craft one.

[quartz mist]

^

[sick sentinel]

Is there a consensus for the 3rd spark? I did a molten defender and lariat for the first 2 not sure what to do with the 3rd

[woeful bramble]

Ok thanks!

[ionic fern]

What ever sims the highest.

[sick sentinel]

Where do you sim?

[quartz mist]

I did wep shield neck so far

[ionic fern]

Raidbots.com

I'm on my way to Weapon/Shield/waist.

[sick sentinel]

So can you use more than 2 crafted things? I thought you could only use 2?

[quartz mist]

embellish only 2

[ionic fern]

You can use as many crafted things as you want.

It's the embellishments that you can only use 2 of.

[sick sentinel]

Oh I see.

[quartz mist]

the neck is 1 embellish no matter what

[sick sentinel]

Oh I get it. The embelish it the guaranteed stats.

[ionic fern]

The embelish is the "extra effect".

[woeful bramble]

Also is it better to craft shield of heart or primal molten defender?

[ionic fern]

Primal Molten.

[quartz mist]

primal

[chrome grove]

The alchemical flavor pocket does not count towards your 2 embellishments and is largely worth it imo

[quartz mist]

hearth has automatic embellish

[chrome grove]

If you can fork out the cash for it

[quartz mist]

yeah i slapped alchemical flavor pocket on the shield , its lit

[ionic fern]

Stun.

[chrome grove]

Stun piercing shards

[ionic fern]

Also fear works.

[chrome grove]

Stop the cast and you can afk the packs

[quartz mist]

intim shout , shockwave , shield charge , storm bolt

ez

it hurts indeed

[tawny kiln]

i got the alchemial flavor packet as a random drop and tried to hand it out to someone because i thought it was for alchemy

luckily they didnt take it

😄

[chrome grove]

Fort raging week 1 no stun on those

(:

[quartz mist]

I felt that one

[woeful bramble]

Ok thanks a lot guys!

[ionic fern]

Jeah, but it's 100% avoidable. 🙂

[slim musk]

hello guys i am completely new to warrior (swapped from Bear). Are there any buttons i can definitively delete from my action bars? am i supposed to actively use rend for example?

[ionic fern]

Avoidable as in stunnable i meant.

Yes, it follows.

[mighty grail]

How “important” are the set bonuses this tier? I mean, if a 398 tier head drops that will give me 2 set, will I take that over a 405 non tier piece?

[ionic fern]

Storm bolt one.
Shield Charge second.
Fear
Shockwave.
If need be, leap out.

Just be sure not to position your leap in the way that the shards hit your group.

[swift flicker]

Delete Whirlwind, use Rend only from Blood and Thunder (Thunderclap), not by itself

[slim musk]

so if i udnerstood the talent correctly, then if i have rend talented it will automatically apply to 5 mobs when using thunderclap?

[tawny kiln]

Yes

[swift flicker]

it will, yes

[slim musk]

also what about slam?

ah opkay thanks a lot

[tawny kiln]

delete slam

[swift flicker]

delete

[slim musk]

[void chasm]

when simming protection on raidbots thats only simming for DPS and not my survivability is that right?

[ionic fern]

Correct.

[void chasm]

do i want to be focusing on my dps for M+/tanking in general or do i pick for survivability based on stats?

[ionic fern]

Your survivability is tied to your own play.

[void chasm]

there is trinkets that help also but get prioritised over dps ones when simming

[ionic fern]

Gearing for "survivability" is generally the same as gearing for DPS (ilvl is king), outside of trinkets/necks/rings.

If you need a defensive trinket, use it.

Easy as that.

[compact jackal]

Belt or shield to 418 first?

[quartz mist]

shield

[weak goblet]

Question do u ever use shield charge and thundering roar on cd just for the dmg? or do we value the utility/cc aspect of them alot more so we save them for when we need to?

[ionic fern]

Always on CD for damage.

[weak goblet]

Awesome. Does the same apply on Shockwave as well?

[languid stream]

what trinkets are you guys rolling with? can't get a decoration of flame to drop for the life of me lol, looking for others to farm

[ionic fern]

STOP:

Are you using Sonic Boom?

[weak goblet]

not atm

[ionic fern]

Decoration + Boon.

[ionic fern]

Good.

Shockwave is used as a AoE stun for the utility.

@languid stream i generally just use the trinkets which sim highest for me.

[weak goblet]

i just copypaste the builds from icyveins so if they dont have it i dont

[ionic fern]

They don't.

Storm Bolt / Shockwave / Intimidating Shout are used for the utility.

[languid stream]

for sure, thank you

[heavy temple]

I'm trying to decide between my 2nd embelishment. The Vers stat stic bracers, the hast proc legs and armor spikes. bracers seem to me to be the most balanced option (for raid and m+), but the legs look really fucking good for m+, and are already decent even if you can only rarely proc them.

[ionic fern]

Sim yourself with Droptimizer. For me it's the waist that's highest for example.

je, fun times.

[heavy temple]

yeah, i am trying to, but I dunno how to sim bracers on e.g. ST

Also, has anyone tried the broodmother ring + belt in terms of shield compared to the assembly ring?

[sudden gazelle]

Do we have a crafting faq?

[ionic fern]

Yes, raidbots.com -> Droptimizer

[ionic fern]

Imagine getting the broodmother ring.

We had one drop yesterday but it went to a Frost DK.

[heavy temple]

questionmark

[ionic fern]

Idk, don't ask me.

Loot council.

[cursive temple]

@ionic fern is it good tho? seems like low haste and mastery is kinda

[ionic fern]

It's high stat budget.

• the 2ppm is hasted.

Some random logs i checked had it at like 4k HPS.

[cursive temple]

Is it good if you minmax for DPS tho?

[heavy temple]

thats like double assembly does

for my last SBG at least

[ionic fern]

https://tenor.com/view/8ball-bart-simpson-shaking-shake-magic-ball-gif-17725278

[heavy temple]

well, thanks mwahi as always

[cursive temple]

:YEP:

[ionic fern]

Can't you just tricks your tank, leap down as a hunter->Disengage the fall damage, pull mobs->Feign death?

I could have sworn i've leaped down there before.

Maybe i'm drippin tho.

[cursive temple]

But then you'll have a huge pack with -1 DPS

[cursive temple]

Yeah, you can leap there for sure, tried it myself

[ionic fern]

Good. MOre padding for my Boon.

[cursive temple]

What if you pull top circle and then leap down Hmmge

[sweet summit]

mwahi has been tainted by the boon...

[ionic fern]

It's so good.

Already died 2 times due to root.

Never taking it off.

[sweet summit]

[warm plinth]

yeah because you can't take the root off 😏

[quartz mist]

402 puzzle box drop , sadge

[cursive temple]

Can't get it from the raid, only praying for vault

[warm plinth]

no

[ionic fern]

Well..i'll take it off if i get Grieftorch.

Or use both.

👀

[cursive temple]

Use both Pog

[weak goblet]

Another stupid question incoming... Since we use shield charge on cd for the dmg can i use it as an opener of some sorts? instead of charging and then shield charging at melee range?

[warm plinth]

https://tenor.com/I0sW.gif

[ionic fern]

No

[warm plinth]

You don't use it as a closer because you want your Avatar/Demo shout up first

[ionic fern]

Charge provides you Rage and it has a minimum Range.
So you Charge for the Rage.
Then DS/Avatar and Shield Charge.

[cursive temple]

Charge is free rage

[weak goblet]

i see i see

Much apreciated once again

[cursive temple]

I hope I get it one day

[ionic fern]

I got it from vault.

Still need to do 2 more keys for the quest.

Hoping for a Grief.

Or tier.

Or ring.

[cursive temple]

does it drop with prot loot?

[ionic fern]

No.

Since i have a weapon/shield at 418/415 i open my vault as Fury.

[cursive temple]

But I want big shield from AV

[tawny kiln]

fury loot all day every day

[cursive temple]

Isn't arms loot better, so you don't get 1h that you don't need?

[ionic fern]

Naa, i do Fury.

Still hoping for that Strike Twice .

[cursive temple]

I have 418 weap with dmg proc embellishment, almost Strike Twice

[ionic fern]

But you could use that embellishment somewhere else. 😉

[north comet]

guys i was tanking Kurog the saman in Vault on HC and i must say i was spamming ignore pain as mad. this damage is huge! im 395 ilvl

[ionic fern]

What?

He does no damage.

[cursive temple]

I know my luck, 0 chance I'm getting strike twice any time soon

[north comet]

Yea but the dot from strike hits hard

not the boss himself

[ionic fern]

Eh?

What dot.

Nothing hurts on that boss.

[cursive temple]

Isn't it just debuff?

[ionic fern]

Not on HC.

[north comet]

this one

[ionic fern]

That doesn't hurto.o

That's like ..a 15-30k tick.

Passive healing should take care of it from healers.

beacon/hots

Etc.

[wary heath]

it's 43k per tick for 35 seconds each second, plus raid pulsing damage from altars

[ionic fern]

I just checked my log.

15-30k

Idk how you get smacked for 43k.

I don't think i even fall below 60% HP on that fight.

And i know for a fact that my healers are parsing DPS.

If you're struggling with it, analyse the log.

[cursive temple]

May be you got 2 stacks?

[ionic fern]

Do you have passive healing on you?

Do you have multiple stacks of the debuff?

[wary heath]

im just reading the dungeon journal

FYI

you are probably looking at IP mitigation

[cinder storm]

I was trying AA 19, one hour later, we accepted we didnt have the dps needed for tree boss

[warm plinth]

do you have a log?

@wary heath

[civic comet]

hey all... I was looking at a lot of top warriors and what their second embellished besides lariat is, and they seem to be taking belt even though its only like .5-1% of their dam with the proc.... am I missing something? or is that the option?

[wary heath]

me? why me

i didnt ask anything

[warm plinth]

sorry wrong person

@north comet

[north comet]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Zwt3a9q7GpFVWvxD/#fight=last&type=damage-taken&ability=372158

[ionic fern]

All the embellishments are like 1% increase.

[north comet]

look

[cursive temple]

@civic comet belt procs rings from raid as well

[civic comet]

ahhhhh that makes sense

thanks

so thats pref over wrists?

[mighty valley]

i wish we could just put up a giant banner that says "stop stressing out about embellishments they're like 1%" that greets everyone who joins the discord

[cursive temple]

My guess is that you took 2+ stacks of his smash, otherwise this dot should not be an issue, your self heal + passive HoTs/beacon should be enough

[warm plinth]

wrong person again lul

[cursive temple]

Kekw

[wary heath]

i have zero issues with the boss. ive killed him 3 weeks in a row haha

other guy

you probably aren't using ignore pain enough

[compact jackal]

OK hear me out

[warm plinth]

@north comet this is the only time you even dropped low and it looks like you had multiple stacks

[compact jackal]

I've already done 9 CoS today

what if I did a 10th CoS?

[pallid quiver]

I'll have you know the third stack of sunder hurts

it kinda hurts a lot

[wary heath]

take only one sunder

[mighty valley]

if you're having fun, it's all good. if you're gonna start cursing the gods because you're not hitting your fraction of a percent chance, take a break maybe

[compact jackal]

take 3 raszageth bites

[pallid quiver]

that is, unfortunately, not up to me ;-;

[north comet]

it was 2 at the very end

[compact jackal]

god please I want the trinket or weapon or neck or cloak or feet

there's a few things

[pallid quiver]

I only pug, thank you, I ain't hitting Raz until we outgear her by a season's worth of gear

[cursive temple]

yeah, 3 stacks is kinda too much

[compact jackal]

3 hurts yeah

it's doable

I died on the 4th tho

[mighty valley]

worth thinking like... how will i feel about this time spent two weeks into season 2

[north comet]

ok that i will shout at my healers so i dont have to spam IP and my dps was below my monk friend -_-

[ionic fern]

Ee...i wouldn't call it "spamming IP" tho..you have roughly the same amount of IP that i am casting.

[cursive temple]

3 bites from raz is

[warm plinth]

Yeah again you seem to be getting a lot of stacks

[ionic fern]

You are just not pressing your other buttons enough.

[warm plinth]

64k damage per second is brutal

that's the end of the fight

[compact jackal]

ooh, I wonder if my kurog stuff is up

[north comet]

yea that was 2 stacks

[cursive temple]

2 stacks, I guess

[wary heath]

have the other tank press taunt

[mighty valley]

"taunt's not in my current build"

[ionic fern]

And don't stand infront.

[compact jackal]

it doesn't hurt THAT much

[uncut notch]

Youre a fucking gamer, tried this and it was 100x easier and still had CD's for next packs. Thanks for the tip

[silent anchor]

Can someone answer this.

How does a dps manage to take a stack of Web blast on sennarth? From what I see it isn't a "whoever in range" ability, it's the tank ability

[sweet summit]

tank(s) dead / taunted boss lol

[silent anchor]

That is the only way tho right?

Mage got 1 shot by it last night and blaming us for being out of range

Arcane mage in narnia

[uncut notch]

I'd be surprised, the range on the boss/hitbox is fucking HUGE

and web blast is a ranged ability

So why would that matter?

[ionic fern]

Logs?

Who had threat on the boss?

[silent anchor]

https://www.wipefest.gg/report/vpFPHbZx2h4mN96Q

Here is wipefest link, I csnt click on the damn logs on my phone lol

Log link at top of that page

[ionic fern]

What on earth is wipefest.

[silent anchor]

Honestly can't mind

[silent anchor]

Seems too clock and write every ability in the time frame step by step.

Looks simplistic in terms of checking shit over quickly

[silent anchor]

I said this tbh.

[uncut notch]

its basically a simple check algo that scores you based on avoidable damage taken, hs/pots used, simple raid metrics

Useless on a single pull basis but over the course of like, a raid week we found it to be actually pretty accurate

[ionic fern]

rofl

Random Web Blast.

Amazing.

Love it.

[silent anchor]

So how would this happen? Unknown? Lol

[ionic fern]

No idea.

Nothing unusual in logs.

Maybe just some random bug.

It's fine tho.

That mage does horrid DPS regardless.

So nothing lost.

[pale rock]

Since i have a slight impairmeng to my motor skills that limits the amount keybinds i compftable press i wanted to ask if someone can post a list with the mandatory stuff i need in my Actionbar.

[silent anchor]

He got pure tilted and started calling us out this morning for being out of range. Sadge

[wanton night]

anyone know of a WA that tracks the 2set uptime?

[mighty valley]

Maybe the easiest way to answer this is if you give us a number of how many keybinds you can press, we can tell you what they should be?

[ionic fern]

And also the content you plan on doing/are doing.

[somber sky]

tc, revenge, shield slam, IP, SB, wall, last stand, spell reflect, rally, charge, shield charge, leap, interrupt, storm bolt, shockwave, demo shout, ravager, thunderous roar (could swap for shockwave full talents for fewer buttons) seem to sum it up

anything else you can probably have them on bars and click iwth mouse

oh and taunt + challenging shout

[pale rock]

What is the lowest amount possible? The lower the better the more i goes above 18-20 the less consistent im

[somber sky]

can't forget that button xD

[warm plinth]

Are you able to use modifiers?

[weak goblet]

well u also have consumes/pots/healthstones for the moments ur healers are asleep

[pale rock]

Im not used to modfiers and im a tanking novice

[somber sky]

that he can just click

[warm plinth]

do you have an MMO mouse/can you use an MMO mouse?

[void marten]

hey guys, what do you macro ignore pain with to avoid rage cap and have chance to reset shield slam? i noticed that i'm wasting a lot of rage and i want to get better at rage management

if anyone interested i can link my logs as well

[somber sky]

you can fit almost every button in the first 2 action bars. Anything else you can probably macro together for better comfort.

[warm plinth]

#showtooltip
/cast Ignore Pain
/cast Shield Slam

Replace IP on your bar with it.

[thin cedar]

the furies in AV.. what can you do to piercing shards if they are on stun DR?

[ionic fern]

Why are they on stun DR?

[warm plinth]

Fear probably works?

[ionic fern]

In the first place.

🤔

[pale rock]

I mapped some stuff my mouse but since the 7 and 12 button layouts are very uncompfy i dont use them

[thin cedar]

can you reflect? does that help?.. and w pugs that just stun willy nilly

[cursive temple]

SW and IP spam kekw

[void marten]

okay thanks a lot

[somber sky]

puggies wanna bark at everything. You can't help but have them stun DR'd as a result

[ionic fern]

Pugs stun?

What.

Give me those pugs.

[jagged pier]

Shockwave build

[jagged pier]

Yer on cd

[ionic fern]

[jagged pier]

At the start of pulls

[warm plinth]

The only stun I've ever seen cast by a pug is chaos nova and it's always when I really don't want them to cast Chaos Nova

[ionic fern]

I don't think i've seen a pug stun.

Once.

[fiery warren]

hi , is [Unstable Frostfire Belt] worth to craft ?

[jagged pier]

When u want to kite out of sanguine

[ionic fern]

Ah, of course.

[somber sky]

bro I see chaos nova, leg sweep, x2 shock totems go out instantly and i'm just sitting here with my wall on cd wondering what route to take to run back in the shortest time.

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[jagged pier]

They stun all the time mwahi its just they all use their stun 1 sdcond into a pull

So they all stack

And dr the mobs insta

[ionic fern]

[jagged pier]

Its great fun

[fiery warren]

do i craft the belt or the neck ?

[somber sky]

guys I put my final spark into extended flasks. Did I muck it up?

[mighty valley]

there's either the mwahi dungeons where no one interrupts or cc's anything, or the jakey dungeons where everyone blows their interrupt on the first cast and all of their aoe stuns on the second cast

[ionic fern]

Which ever you want.
Just sim yourself.

[jagged pier]

Ive avtually come across dps without inturpts in pugs

[fiery warren]

ty

[cursive temple]

[void marten]

do you socket 70 haste 33 versa or 70 versa 33 haste to lariat?

[jagged pier]

Haste crit

[ionic fern]

I stand by my statement:
-Give me as a tank the groups interrupts/stuns and i will deal with all the things that need interrupting.

[somber sky]

i've run at least 40 HoV keys and seen a melee die in every damn shieldmaiden pull it's maddening

[ionic fern]

[cursive temple]

Depends on your current stats, but probably vers>haste

[jagged pier]

No

[somber sky]

brotherman, as dps in VC, i love assigning kick rotation on marked targets but as a tank I can barely spare time to do that while maintaining IP and SB

[jagged pier]

Haste crit

[cursive temple]

giga dam warrior?

[somber sky]

crit for the crit blocks boiiii

[ionic fern]

Laziest way.
Assign colors at the beginning of the run for people to kick.

And use auto-marker.

Hope for the best.

[jagged pier]

No crit in m+ is better than vers defensivly and offensivly

[somber sky]

oh yeah I did that with my group once and gave up on it mid key the first time we planned on doing so. It was a super coordinated group and it felt like we're trolling by staying quiet xDDD

[ionic fern]

Oh, if you're on voice then jeah.

I meant in a pug.

[storm merlin]

If you're on voice, just call things. If you're not, then stick with auto marker

[somber sky]

hyrja spell block with the crit

ez 0 damage taken

[jagged pier]

Yer its not supposed to do that

[somber sky]

not supposed to be spellblocked?

or crit block?

[ionic fern]

Crit block without cap*

That's the issue.

My only problem with Hyrja is that i forget to swap back to Battle Stance after we've killed her. 😦

[jagged pier]

its crit block doesnt have a cap like phyiscal mitigation caps at 85%

so it can legit make u immune for 20secs

[somber sky]

i stay in dstance on doggyboi territory including the 5 cow pull

[junior brook]

Is Unstable Frostfire Belt a good/worth choice to use a spark on?

[ionic fern]

Don't do the 5 cow pull.

Do the bear pull.

[cursive temple]

just kill her in battle stance gigachad

[ionic fern]

With speed.

Ez.

[somber sky]

i feel like ur trolling here

[ionic fern]

I'm not.

[warm plinth]

PSA: the Hyrja swap strat from Legion still works 👀

[somber sky]

????

[ionic fern]

I pull the bears after we kill Fenryr

It's easier to kite with the speed buff

.And everyone can DPS.

[jagged pier]

☝️

[ionic fern]

If you pull bulls..melees are running around half the time.

[warm plinth]

You trick her into casting her ultimates on the wrong side

[ionic fern]

Not being able to dps.

[somber sky]

can you show the location on mdt?

[warm plinth]

So she has the wrong buff

[somber sky]

game's closed so I can't check where they are

[ionic fern]

I am not at home.

[somber sky]

• on tyrr weeks I tend to go doggy first

kk i'll check tomorrow first thing. thanks for the heads up

[ionic fern]

Oo, really?

[warm plinth]

Yep, we tested it last night

[ionic fern]

I just keep her in the middle and hope for the best.

[warm plinth]

👀

[somber sky]

what's the swap strat?

[ionic fern]

It's a joke.:(

[warm plinth]

Or do you mean how to do it

[ionic fern]

Je, those bears that Jakey posted.

[somber sky]

yeah how to do this

[warm plinth]

You pull her to one side at the start, then a few seconds in, you pull her all the way to the other side

The goal is to get her to the other side (with the other side's beam only) before she casts the ultimate

At that point you just do the fight as normal, swapping back and forth each ult

[somber sky]

how is this supposed to help? there's so much movement involed that classes taht need to plant can't gain value. :c

[warm plinth]

Because she gains a stacking buff every 4 seconds that she remains on the same side

[somber sky]

as in how is it diff from doing 1-2-2-1-2-2 ?

[warm plinth]

You're not moving any more than normal

[somber sky]

I'll probably need to see a video to know how to do this then. sounds sick

[warm plinth]

You can't stay on the same side on high keys twice in a row. Expel Light will start 1-shotting people

[cursive temple]

Or you mess it up ending up tanking her in the middle

[warm plinth]

Yeah it might take some practice to get it right

[blazing condor]

The ol switcheroo

[warm plinth]

But you'll take less damage from eye of the storm and expel light (and sanctify though that does enough damage that you really don't wanna get hit anyway)

[limpid anchor]

But it’s the easiest to dodge

I prefer to just stay on the light side tbh

[warm plinth]

Expel Light is the circle around players

Not the orbs

It's not dodgeable

[limpid anchor]

Every heal so far failed the storm hps check

Ah, well

[cursive temple]

was it chain lighting right after?

[craggy pilot]

anyone use Menace for Sanguine?

[rough solar]

Are there any enchants for shields?

[craggy pilot]

no

[rough solar]

Thank you

[blazing condor]

People have been trying that for years but its always pretty jank to play with. Especially since it only knocks adjacent minions

[unique drum]

hello my friend is new to prot and struggling with aoe threat... on whelplings on ruby life pool first boss for example

outside of aoe taunt any tips for him to generate threat?

im not sure how much stance switching he is doing if that is important

[ionic fern]

Not really doing any stance swapping personally.

[pale rock]

This how my hotbar looks like. I want little hotkeys as possible not above 20 ive possible could one list me the abilities i need. And what i would need to macro?

[ionic fern]

Be sure to position yourself in the way that you hit all the Whelplings with your abilities.

[upbeat pine]

what did u craft with 3rd spark?

[ionic fern]

Or keep one of the offensive CD's for it - Ravager/TR

[ionic fern]

You can take that Nr 6 off.

I can't see Ravager/Thunderous Roar

.ARe you not using them?

[pale rock]

im progress of leveling so i dont have them yet. Demo Shout is macrod to Avatar

[hasty field]

I may be wrong, but it's now the best way to play demo shout and avatar out

they aren't available simultaneously every time you want to pop any of them

[pale rock]

The WoWhead guide lists them in a macro and i need as little binds as possible

[hasty field]

It's still playable for sure

[tired pivot]

I personally am using both of the aoe offensive cd's as a sort of aoe taunt

[craggy pilot]

ravager and dragon roar, and ur good

[tired pivot]

usually not using more than 1 of the 3 per pull

unless timings and upcoming pack sizes allow it

throwing in ravager, using thunder clap into revenge with single target taunt on the pumped target will usually take aggro

only time I struggled was with 3 100k overall dps each choosing a different target

but then you have to overlap the 2 cd's and single taunts to guarantee

and aoe taunt will cover next, then you have the cd's again

[robust raptor]

what's the haste cap to reach before switch to other stats? I currently have 26%

[brave tapir]

No cap 🧢

[tired pivot]

haste on everything

how else are you meant to go fast

[slim musk]

Quick question. What are you supposed to use if you have a downtime of shield block? Heroic leap out and shield charge back in? Shield wall? Last stand?

[brave tapir]

You shouldn’t have downtime

And you can use shield charge in melee

[tired pivot]

it can happen to the best

jumping out or shield walling is enough

to fill for mistakes

[brave tapir]

Use your other cds on top of shield block

[tired pivot]

if you use the dash to ally talent

you can use that to kite as well

[slim musk]

Idk what I’m doing wrong then

Cause even if I line it up perfectly

The recharge and uptime don’t line up

Also I somehow missed that you can shield charge in melee

[tired pivot]

so, I am not sure if 100% uptime is possible, I personally don't have it in every pack

[slim musk]

I guess if the fight is too long then you’re gonna need to fill with shield charge

I will try that next time

[tired pivot]

shield charge is very much just another shield block activator

it just so happens to be a good opener

[slim musk]

It doesn’t use up a charge though right?

[tired pivot]

no

[slim musk]

That’s a pretty good spell ngl

[tired pivot]

it really is

great for aggro

[slim musk]

Since it also gives you revenge proc

[tired pivot]

activates shield block

[slim musk]

And like 50 Tage

Rage

[tired pivot]

yeah

try to have it at the start of pulls

you can usually do that with fortified

if you are about to run out of shield block late into the pull

jump out

dash out

cc and run

[slim musk]

So just kite

[tired pivot]

anything to just kite

[slim musk]

I See

That makes sense thank you very much 😌

[spark patrol]

With 20% haste I have shield block up all the time

[slim musk]

Ah yeah maybe it’s that as well

I’m still learning the class and I’m like level 68

[tired pivot]

oh, that is a part of it absolutely

[spark patrol]

Prioritise shield slam whenever it’s up

[slim musk]

Yes I think I’m doing that ☺️

[tired pivot]

I usually have to front end my cd's and kite after due to the key difficulty I play in

especially with sanguine this week

[slim musk]

What key levels do you do?

[tired pivot]

started 20's this week

[slim musk]

Damn

[keen star]

does this trinket not work on floating bosses like Terros and Sennarth?

[pallid quiver]

100% uptime is not only possible, but very easy to obtain for playing Prot War properly. There's more than enough SB uptime talents in the tree to achieve 100% uptime

[tired pivot]

that's fair, I don't really pay attention to it

[pallid quiver]

iirc you need at least 2 shield block uptime talents in order to achieve this, so like Enduring Defenses and HR

That, combined with the extra Shield Block from Shield Charge, can actually cause you to overcap on SB duration and still get charges back to use later

[spark patrol]

I’ve started doing 18s this week and I don’t feel like I have to kite a lot

[tired pivot]

I do sometimes spec out of them so I just forgot I guess

[spark patrol]

With exception of few packs

Last pack in Temple being the best example

Shield wall ends, spell reflect is on cd

And im out

[tired pivot]

I am honestly not staying past spell reflect duration in those pack on 19 already

initial shield wall to prevent accidents, use offensives, spell reflect and run with 1-2 seconds left on it

[slim musk]

Are there any resources where you learn the tank buster mechanics on the mobs? Like tank notes for dungeons

[tired pivot]

no idea, I just learned them by playing a lot

on week 1

[spark patrol]

There is spell reflect weak aura for dungeons and raid

I haven’t tried that yet

[slim musk]

I’m playing heal mainly and just swapped to tank alt out of boredom

[tired pivot]

never used it either

[spark patrol]

But I will

I was using spreadsheet I found somewhere

Might be from this discord

[tired pivot]

there is one in pins here

at the bottom iirc

[slim musk]

Spreadsheets

I gotta check

[spark patrol]

You can reflect a lot

This season

[tired pivot]

honestly, just randomly activating it in most dungeons will give you the reflect sounds

I found it funny when I tried it

[spark patrol]

Elemental boss in nokhud is like
2m damage in fortified 18

[slim musk]

Oh I found it

Amazing work

[spark patrol]

Last boss nokhud, first and last boss in azure vaults

[slim musk]

2nd boss in nokhud is an absolute pain to heal

[lone eagle]

If I wanted to be a psychopath and use a fist weapon as prot

I'm just making sure that there are absolutely no issues like "Revenge can't be cast with a fist weapon" or some shit

[prisma echo]

The key is healer to maintain 10 stacks take orbs (so other give them to@healer) and purge boss

[slim musk]

I know I know, but I am a prevoker main and people just love to stand in narnia on that boss

And I only have a 25yard range

[prisma echo]

Oh yes for evo its hard

[slim musk]

That’s a fight made for holy priest

Or rdruid

[noble lynx]

pretty sure it should work, but buy a green fist weapon from ah and test it

[uneven mason]

As long as it has STR there isn't any issue

[lone eagle]

good good

[spark patrol]

Spells and abilities might require either 1H or 2H weapon

Or a shield

But type of weapon doesn’t matter

[tame jasper]

yeah would not trust blizz here either

[spark patrol]

With daggers being the exception

[orchid mural]

how much of a dps loss is it to pop ravager, and then instantly pop avatar (essentially a mistake). does avatar buff the now spinning ravager?

[sweet summit]

the avatar buffs the ravager

it's all dynamically updated

[round socket]

didnt see tierset at all until today. Got 2 tierset , 398 shield and a boe from raid!

[blazing condor]

huge

[lost canyon]

what would be the 2nd piece of gear to craft? and what embelishment should we apply?

[atomic flicker]

Why do people keep giving me leader in dungeons

[warm plinth]

Because the tank is the leader

And the leader is the only person who can do pull timers

And previously was the only person who could mark targets, but that was changed in Wrath I think?

[blazing condor]

what ghash said + many healers like the tank as leader cus it changes their raid frames and stuff

[slim musk]

If you use Vuhdo it nowadays sets the tank on top no matter what

[sick sentinel]

tank job is literal fearless leader too

[blazing condor]

https://tenor.com/view/xd-meme-gif-25280777

literally me leading

[sick sentinel]

https://youtu.be/D9-voINFkCg

yogi leading a key

[nova cloak]

Is the shield with the versa procc worth crafting when u have your weapon embellished or is any shield worth crafting or should I go for a raid/m+ one?

For context I have the lariat and a crafted embellished sword

[orchid mural]

does demo shout operate the same way?

[sweet summit]

yes

when i say it's all dynamically updated i mean it's all dynamically updated for us

might be some specs where snapshotting is still a thing

[warm plinth]

There's one spell that snapshots in the entire game

And that's Tiger's Fury for feral druids

[brittle owl]

lmao feral

[sick sentinel]

i keep forgetting that you can just simply go in from the lft on nokhud

[warm plinth]

Hey you can just simply go in from the left on nokhud @sick sentinel if you didn't know

[sick sentinel]

seems like a tough route,

[storm merlin]

You can always buy a green fist weapon and try

[sick sentinel]

i went to runa 5 nokhud most things where okay, but i did last boss ans it was firsf time using weak auras in a while, so they covered % and then i was pulling non elites

we didnt time cuz was fucking around group all toxic after lmao

[civic scroll]

How important is vers as prot compared to ilvl

I can lose 5 overall ilvl to get 20% vers instead of 10%

[strong forum]

Ilvl is by far more important

Ilvl >> haste > crit = vers > mastery

[civic scroll]

Ok tyvm

[slim musk]

M+ pugs are unplayable

Overwhelming toxicity

[onyx matrix]

Ikr

[sick sentinel]

"You need improvement tank" shaman of this over time key

[warm plinth]

I am blessed with a complete lack of fucks to give about what any random pug thinks of me or my ability.

[sick sentinel]

easy block list farm on that group though

[lusty tiger]

Finally timed a +15

[warm plinth]

Congrats!

[lusty tiger]

Have only been able to do like one key a day because family has been in town for 2 weeks lol

[sick sentinel]

i can ignore waht people say, but i get stacks of malding

[lusty tiger]

[sick sentinel]

no maximum stacks on malding

[static aspen]

Idk, i constantly do 15-17 with pugs. Just get right gamers

Its way worse at low keys tho

[warm plinth]

I just figure I'm probably never going to see them again, so why let it bother me

But I am also quick to own my mistakes in party chat, so idk.

[sick sentinel]

alot of the big reason its worse at low keys is cuz they dont have gear to do 3 chest worth of dps

[warm plinth]

@ionic fern Something good happened! My friend gifted me Diablo IV Ultimed Edition out of nowhere

Ultimate*

[static aspen]

Low key gamers think they are good when on reality they don't even have kick on their bars

[sick sentinel]

its like you know we amongst other specs are crackheads for haste? well with low dps its as though the boss has the giant haste buff

[warm plinth]

What is that effect

The dunning-krueger effect

[vocal bison]

Dunder Mifflin effect

[sick sentinel]

dunning kruger is so dumb you convince yourslef your not

[warm plinth]

Yeah

That's pugs

Though I have definitely met people who are on the other side of the effect too, especially in WoW

Which is when people who excel in a given area think that it's easy for everyone

[sick sentinel]

some dude covered himsepf in lemon juice cuz he was told it would fuck up the banks camera system and render him invisible while he robbed the bank