protection

[plush tendon]

so Whetstone All-Totem would be what I woudl use

[somber sky]

fkn mint ty

[plush tendon]

Horn of Valor is meh anyways; just a simple on-use stat amp

nothing special

but Whetstone

A+

[harsh mason]

Does anyone have an optimal route for Broodmother p1? Every encounter always has a group of adds spawn next to the boss mid phase.

[fiery kiln]

the guide on wowhead for the boss have a route

[plush tendon]

this is what my co-tank gave me

its sort of zig zag

[fiery kiln]

the route on wowhead is a bit less confusing ngl

also have add timers

[plush tendon]

you dont like my artwork

[blazing condor]

its beautiful

[fiery kiln]

it's beautiful

[blazing condor]

going right on the fridge

[fiery kiln]

but my brain doesn't work if i saw that for routing

[plush tendon]

you can also sort of just freeball it tbh

if you know where the adds spawn

[somber sky]

is it worth running 2p in keys or can I equip a piece that's at a higher ilvl at the cost of losing the 2p?

[blazing elk]

Hey guys, is there a haste cap on prot ? I have 4100 haste without Into the frey, so in mm+ I guess it's enough, but is there any cap that I should not go above ? thanks !

[plush tendon]

they seem to be the same everytime

[plush tendon]

haste is our best stat till 40% without ITF

[blazing elk]

Ok perfect, with it I have 40%

[plush tendon]

sim, but 4% DR and Damage kind of nice

yea, keep getting haste

and highest i level

[harsh mason]

I have a wa for adds, but the tank maintaining the boss always gets caught be the adds about 2 min in

[somber sky]

what do I sim for keys? dungeon slice or

[plush tendon]

5 target patchwork 40 seconds is what I do

theres lots of ways to sim it, but thats what I use

[somber sky]

yeah I can sim normally for fury and arms. Never knew how to sim a prot war

[split stratus]

Thanks, but there's not profession that gives any PvE bonus or anything like that ?

[plush tendon]

alchemy extends flasks

so saves some gold

and engineering has some stuff in it that makes your tinkers more successful more often, but its not necessary to use any of the engineering things

[somber sky]

some?!

it's 3x a phial

that's a lotta g

[plush tendon]

you assuming I flask for most things XD

I only flask when its gamer time

[somber sky]

it's always gamer tmie

[somber shell]

abf always be flasking

[plush tendon]

I only flask when theres IO on the line

[somber sky]

levelling? phial! WQ? phial! raid? phial! dungeon? phial! using ah? Phial! mogging? phial!!!

[plush tendon]

and I refuse to call it Phial or whatever they changed it to

its flask, its always been flask, stop ruining Christmas Ion

[somber sky]

FASKLS

someone in my guild mistyped that and now it's just a tradition to spam that in /yell when someone drops it

[silent anchor]

seen everyone posting earier butttttt. i have 1 piece of 395 just now. however i have a shield and weapon in vault with a tier piece. what u think? 😮

shield is haste vers too 😮 17 ilvl upgrade

[placid oar]

Hi all, if I only do m+ mainly. Is the wowhead best trinkets list a good one to follow? Please advice if there are some I should get.

Trying to pug higher keys so planning the gears to farm. Thank u

[loud patrol]

i hate nokhud this week

10 second casts ALWAYS inside the sanguine pools

[sweet summit]

nokhud was turbo chill this week

[loud patrol]

yeah dmg is not a problem

[sweet summit]

you can track spell cds on nameplate with weak aura and then you know it's coming

[loud patrol]

but casters deciding to cast inside the pools

at least my dmg is improving

31k overall

[sweet summit]

pogging

[loud patrol]

better than those 16k i used to do

[median tulip]

ITTM "Battle Stance"

[worthy fiber]

can anyone explain why wowhead bis items recommends two rings which have fire procs?

[fiery kiln]

Belt

[sweet summit]

because they are the only raid rings

[worthy fiber]

is it just those rings are the best available, or is there some ability which uses fire dmg?

[worthy fiber]

right ok

notice there is also a fire trinket proc too in the bis list

[sweet summit]

because it does a lot of damage

[worthy fiber]

i just mean it would proc with ring i guess

[median tulip]

If you can get the whole combo it's pretty powerful

Or at least, it Sims pretty well, I don't have it myself

[willow delta]

If it even matters anymore that shield is BiS according to wowhead

[silent anchor]

ive still to do HC raid and the weekly, so maybe that or the tier shoulders

[onyx smelt]

Anyone know if 4pc is good for Prot for m+?

[sick sentinel]

can someone explain to me why is haste crit better than haste vers when every top tank is exclusively haste vers?

[median tulip]

What part of "5% additional leech" doesn't sound good?

[sick sentinel]

i dont understand what that means

oh

[median tulip]

Sry, replying to the wrong comment

[median tulip]

Crit deal more damage, which matters, especially for M+

[edgy grail]

Every “top tank” right now has whatever gear they looted

[sick sentinel]

no but on crafted

they all go for haste vers

[stiff gate]

How do you guys handle 3rd boss of ToJS? Did it on 21 yesterday and by the 4th tank buster in p2 I just had nothing left. What cd rotation do you guys use?

[median tulip]

Bring better DPS, don't have a 4th tank buster to deal with

[sick sentinel]

Spell block, shield wall, LS, rally+DS, shieldwall, spell block

with cap IP and spell relfect

should be enough

[stiff gate]

Spell block doesn’t affect the dot though right?

[sick sentinel]

no i dont thin

i usually VS right after

[stiff gate]

Yeah I don’t think I can live one with just spell block, unless I health pot+IV+healthstone

VS?

[sick sentinel]

victory rush sry

[stiff gate]

Ah ok

[median tulip]

I always use IV to clear the healing absorb

[sick sentinel]

spell block+spell reflect should nullify the initial damage

after that just spam IP i guess

[haughty marsh]

Does raidbots properly sim Infurious Helm of Vengeance and Allied Wristguard of COmpanionship?

[sick sentinel]

cant afford to use double CD on one

will run out

[stiff gate]

It’s not up for every one and sometimes I still die if I don’t also healthstone or pot on top of IV, which is why I feel like you also need some kind of flat DR for the dot from wall/demo/reflect on top of the healing

[sick sentinel]

the highest temple ive done was a 19 so idk at 21 it may be a bit different

but the dot was never really an issue because im always almost capped on hp after the hit

[edgy grail]

Run double wall

And rotate CDs

You can use IV on every 2nd aborb

[stiff gate]

Double wall might be a good call

[edgy grail]

The healer has to prep for it tho

Or you’ll just die anyway

Rdruid is really good for that boss in my experience

[steep wraith]

Spell block covers 2 hits, not just one

[tired forge]

I assume most ppl are using the damage cobalt ring?

[tepid coral]

anyone else noticed 2 set not working on worm boss sbg?

[sick sentinel]

whats the factor that decides you getting writ or devotion enchant for weapon

i think whenever i get a decent valor weapon 390+ or 390+ raid weapon is when im expected to swap from writs r2-3's to devotions r1-2's

[mighty valley]

crit and vers are very close together, crit is typically slightly better for damage especially since we have a lot of crit incentives now. top tier tanks either A) don't actually know everything about their class and are top mostly just due to time played and having a dedicated crew to play with, and/or B) go vers for the extreme high end of keys where burst damage becomes a major roadblock, which vers helps a little bit with

honestly i'm prioritizing haste/crit because it doesn't matter that much and big number is fun

[sick sentinel]

crit stat is more valuable if you have all totem for mythic + purposes

literal goes hand in hand, but is best for a DH/DK/monk imo

[mighty valley]

but please don't look to high io tanks for everything, many of them make pretty suspect choices because they play the game more than learning about the game

which, honestly, we all should do

[sick sentinel]

mastery stacking is one of their crimes against humanity

[haughty marsh]

Does raidbots properly sim Infurious Helm of Vengeance and Allied Wristguard of Companionship? Also is there a guide for Spell Block usage in m+ out there somwhere?

[young cloud]

How good is Helm of Infurious Vengeance,is it really a big difference or not rly?

[sick sentinel]

It says

[alpine night]

spell block is in pins

[haughty marsh]

ty!

[sick sentinel]

In the pin

[outer sluice]

what embelishment do you guys put on the monlen defender shield ?

[sick sentinel]

i've been running spell block past 2 or so days, not very effectively but.

[high drum]

tested this

primary stat gem does not count as air

so you need at least 1 70 vers/crit 33 haste gem

[plush tendon]

[high drum]

to proc haste unless ur using 88s

did a couple of dungeons to test

https://i.imgur.com/SCtKEKf.png

also tested whether gems not in the neck count already, they do (had the air one in this ring before and was getting half air half frost)

[outer sluice]

shield of the hearth or the other 1?

[uncut notch]

boys the AV frontal adds are kicking the shit out of me

I shockwave one, SW the next 3

[steep wraith]

which ones?

[uncut notch]

and the 4th one CLAPS me

Piercing shards

[steep wraith]

Stormbolt, shockwave, shield charge in a pinch, intimidating shout

[cinder storm]

You can storm bolt one, shield charge another, SW, fear

[steep wraith]

Don't pull more than two at once and you can cover them yourself + wall any you miss

[cinder storm]

after that, if they are still alive, defensives

One day dps will learn that's also their job, but not today

[wanton igloo]

At that point the other 4 players have to push a button

[steep wraith]

Once you go downstairs, go left, never right

[uncut notch]

noted

[median tulip]

There are better embelishments than SotH, and it's locked to have Mastery on it, so it's not really as good as you might hope

[steep wraith]

2 elementals left side, vs 2 piercing shard guys right. Left is 100x easier

[ionic fern]

Both are chill

Just stun.

[gilded zodiac]

dont know if it is my age but ignore pain... is a a shield or? i dont understand 😦

[ionic fern]

An absorb which works on 50% of the damage taken.

[steep wraith]

You really don't wanna go right

this guy as well to ruin your day

[ionic fern]

Well, i've had 0 issues there.

So i don't really care

lol

[balmy hound]

what gems would you put in your Lariat? Versi main haste off? or visa versa?

[uncut notch]

Odds are you play with blasters tho

[steep wraith]

It's just making the key harder for no reason

[uncut notch]

pugging 14/15s is such a mixed bag

[outer sluice]

@median tulip should i craft the other shield with the food embelishment?

[ionic fern]

What is hard about

Stunning?

Legit nothing

You do you tho.

[uncut notch]

ok

[steep wraith]

They have more HP for the same count, it's worse in every way

[uncut notch]

you win

congrats

youre the best

[ionic fern]

Thanks.

[modern brook]

:gigachad:

[ionic fern]

Always.

[sick sentinel]

Stunning so hard

[feral wing]

Friends, I need some help. I got 411 Shoulders with Crit/Vers in my Vault (35 ilvl Upgrade), a 408 Chest with Haste/Mastery (16 ilvl upgrade) and normal Tier Gloves (no ilvl upgrade, also would be my first T piece). Is it worth going for the Tier? The shoulders would be a huge bump...But longterm idk. I Don't raid if that matters, I hop on some pug raids here and there or get a boost or smth

[weary python]

Any idea why Raidbots might be choosing a 392 helm over a 402 helm? It's choosing other gear too, but even choosing other gear I can't see any valid reason it passes over a 402 haste/ crit helm for a 392 verse crit helm

[modern brook]

post sim

[ionic fern]

GUess what i got.

[ionic fern]

[modern brook]

jokes on u i dont know what these things are 🙂

[sick sentinel]

ez

[modern brook]

just remembe to do weekly b4 box

[ionic fern]

Boon. 😦

[granite nest]

I'm sure it's been mentioned at some point, but I just noticed the typo on our 2 set

[modern brook]

you can eat my storm uhhh boony.

[granite nest]

5 sec second

[minor helm]

Don’t forgor

[modern brook]

i did forgor 😦

i dont want mwahi, known greatest of all time, to suffer the same fate

[ionic fern]

OO naa

I opened instantly

[minor helm]

Mwahi no forgors

[modern brook]

:gigachad2:

[minor helm]

[ionic fern]

0 cares

Log on after work

Open box

[median tulip]

Up to you ofc, but the food embelishment doesn't directly add any power to you; it's pure convenient-if-you-die. Also remember that it makes your Shield more difficult to craft, so could impact on the ilvl you end up with (consult with your crafter)

[ionic fern]

Do 1 key

Go raid,.

[blazing condor]

bois

last boss AV

orbs

strats

cus i cba

[feral wing]

Pain

GL

[ionic fern]

Leap

Healer dispell

Don't heal as much.

[blazing condor]

any point moving to other side of room

[lusty tiger]

orbs gather- leap away- repeat

[sick sentinel]

curl up in a ball in the corner and cry

[weary python]

@modern brook
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ct7AUtAJCnK91G3gqCXcnE

[median tulip]

The Orbs track purely on healing done (Ignore Pain counts). The movement debuff goes away if you stand still for 4(?) seconds. Either move a lot, or don't move at all. Charging to Crystals and leaping to reposition are the best ways to move.

[blazing condor]

so the more healing done the more likely they go on you ?

cus i leap and i charge

but still

[median tulip]

Yeah

[blazing condor]

its an annoying mechanic idk why its there

just make it random and not tracking

[median tulip]

It's there to try and kill you, like any mechanic

[torn pebble]

Make it closet person so you troll people by passing it to them 😅

[feral wing]

So blame Heal for not healing enough, got it

[median tulip]

If you use Ignore Pain less, the healer has to heal more and they'll chase after them instead :P

[cinder storm]

I thought orbs track aggro

Either way, they always are on steroid when chasing me

[median tulip]

They have normal aggro rules, but can't be damaged. So as a result they track healing threat only

[sick sentinel]

if this is true bop + removal macro could solve it/break it

you lose aggro when you get hit with bop

[cinder storm]

And a dps dies with dragon strike

[slim dove]

really the orbs are just a dps check

[feral wing]

idk about your dps, but mine usually do less dmg than me

[slim dove]

eventually youll have too many floating around

[sick sentinel]

you just macro it off at instantspeed no gcd and spam taunt/ss

[cinder storm]

Yeah but the orbs will still be near you

Worth trying I guess

[sick sentinel]

leaper with bounding away right before it happens, say this is your personally party you run with

then you got 3 seconds of run speed

[cinder storm]

This is how AV usually goes, no pillars to charge, no leap, avatar on cd, 4 balls on me. /y please dispel me.
Healer: Oh I just dispel one of x/y/z classes that didnt want to use their mobility

[sick sentinel]

avatar SHOULD remove it, i think, removes a few things when you do it rootsi mean, for bdk its not problme at all cuz deaths advance or something

[cinder storm]

Avatar does remove the debuff

[modern brook]

If i had to guess its a mix of 1) being a dungeon sim 2) having relatively lower verse on your current gear 3) lots of sources of damage from gear (ie: double on-use w/ damage effects + ring proc) that scale with verse

.7% isnt a crazy diff

[hazy sluice]

411 spiteful storm usable?

[sick sentinel]

i saw our rogue vanish the dragon breath in the 5 i did earlier

[hasty field]

how to stop vault curse? is there any ritual?

[modern brook]

be better mostly

[sick sentinel]

there is all kinds of cheese strats if you look hard

[ionic fern]

That's a lie.

People who are bad at the game get the best things.

[chilly comet]

off spec tanking on my fury... 50% mastery oops

[modern brook]

works for me so i odnt care :^)

[ionic fern]

That's why i got boon.

[hasty field]

I got neck from the vault, got neck from the 4 dung chest
meanwhile me: wearing lariat

[toxic pewter]

Can you heroic leap or charge when using boon trinket

Or even shield charge/intervene

[modern brook]

a better player would not have crafted anything to avoid getting loot in a slot that doesnt need it

[tired pivot]

the Blockable/Reflectable Spells Sheet in resources is from SL

where can I find the DF one

[fallow osprey]

The pins

[modern brook]

looks df to me

[tired pivot]

thanks

[modern brook]

was it ever confirmed if u can block while channeling it

[hasty field]

a better player would not craft anything till the end of s1 I guess

[torn pebble]

Gunna have loads of sparks by end of s1 and who cares at that point

[vale bear]

Team, what do i take? i cant Decide T_T

[modern brook]

6 coins

8^)

[median tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simyoself-gif-20048910

[hasty field]

0 tiersets
two weeks in a row 0 upgrades from the vault xd
thanks blizz

[cinder storm]

What is the tell in SMB for when the casters summon a void spawn? is there any visual indicator? I've gotten into those packs a few times right when it spawns

[north comet]

when i play also Fury, than crafing emb leggs Frostfire Legguards of Preparation sems good option right ? for prot extra haste is also good right ?

[median tulip]

In the long run you will be wanting to use the Tier legs for both Prot and Fury, as they are one of the Tier slots that have Haste on them. So I would say it's a waste of a craft to make crafted legs, myself

[modern brook]

arent the frost fire stuff bait

[sick sentinel]

yo guys can u skip the small drake in this flower pack with shroud or pots ?

[feral wing]

just jump off

[blazing condor]

you can jump over the ledge

[modern brook]

you jump off after the 4 lashers

into boss room

pets should tp

[median tulip]

The belt is good when used together with the 2 raid rings and ideally a Trinket that does fire damage

[sick sentinel]

im tryin to do a new route to jump of the 2nd platform and skip the whole adds

[modern brook]

i had it confused with the pants too much gear to remember

[median tulip]

Yeah... the pants conflict with tier and the buff effect isn't as good as you might expect

[cinder storm]

then someone dies

[feral wing]

Imma try again, maybe someone can help now. I got 411 Shoulders with Crit/Vers in my Vault (35 ilvl Upgrade), a 408 Chest with Haste/Mastery (16 ilvl upgrade) and normal Tier Gloves (no ilvl upgrade, also would be my first T piece). Is it worth going for the Tier? The shoulders would be a huge bump...But longterm idk. I Don't raid if that matters, I hop on some pug raids here and there or get a boost or smth

[raw geode]

hi bois can you help me on what to use when best? i Guess Totem + Hoof on M+ and Decoration only really on raidbosses as a defensive?

[hasty field]

sim tells me to switch lariat for this one. am I going for it?

[sick sentinel]

Holy haste

[weary python]

No turn it in to the tuskarrs for a mount

https://tenor.com/view/kto-kounotoritoken-kounotori-lbow-storkholders-gif-25676352

[median tulip]

lol

[rough solar]

Hmm, 2 set bonus without ilvl upgrade vs 26 ilvl upgrade?

[alpine hare]

what is your guys talent setup for maximum dps in keys? i've been helping guildies with some lower keys and im completely immortal, so wanna try doing insane levels of damage 😄

[west sparrow]

Does Seal of Filial Duty ring works with Unstable Frostfire Belt????

[hasty field]

pretty funny if I wasn't tilted due to this vault

[sick sentinel]

Yes

[blazing condor]

SBG on the other hand

easiest dg to date

[west sparrow]

thank you, cause i got the ring from weekly quest and was wonmdering if its a good one

[warm hill]

is worth anything or just the poop luck on chest?

[wraith onyx]

can you have 3 crafted pieces equiped? as long as only 2 are embellished?

[strong forum]

Yes

[wraith onyx]

oh shii

[north comet]

haha after i wrote this i killed spider boss and i got tier legs 😄 so nvm

[median tulip]

grats

[prisma echo]

Guys how you tank first boss in HOV. Stay in middle and wait for middle dragon and then wait for spawn 1 or 3 and then move? I feel group dont have such time to reposition i can leap

[rough solar]

Ïs it worth taking 2 set over a 26 ilvl upgrade?

[north comet]

i tank it next to philar so between 1/2

[leaden river]

Hey could someone send me a DM of a pov of a higher Shadowmoon m+ on this week want to check something

[surreal birch]

stay in the middle, when horn sounds I move him

[median tulip]

You look to either side and you can tell which dragon is going to do its lane and when

[sick sentinel]

obtained versa valor shield

[silent hamlet]

Is it possible to produce a macro, that says like "Cast Revenge when Target >20% hp and Cast Execute when Target <20% hp"?

[weary python]

Best primal shell proc is wind or fire?

[strong forum]

Automation macros aren't possible and also bannable

[silent hamlet]

Thanks!

[hazy sluice]

Got the 411 spite trinket from my HC chest and it sims with 0% in dungeon slice :x

[glad sleet]

i think the macro would be /say "Cast Revenge when Target >20% hp and Cast Execute when Target <20% hp"

[prisma echo]

Are we also doing m+ log review? So i can log and then improve by your tips. Or its only raid

[sick sentinel]

you can create things to REMIND YOU to do things at certain times

but you cannot create things to DO THINGS for you

[grave crane]

Yeah your brain is macro’s to tell you when to press execute when it lights up

[sick sentinel]

when it comes to wow coding your allowed to do

you cannot have stuff that plays the game for you and casts shield block whenever its most useful

[balmy pawn]

Anyone around to review a log with me? I'm new to the class and to tanking but not to the game.

[chrome falcon]

totem is kinda stonks

but we can't possibly make this decision without knowing what your actual gear is

[cold echo]

got Blazing essence 382 & Blazebinder's Hoof 372

[chrome falcon]

totem stonks then

or weapon

if your current weapon is bad bad

[cold echo]

a 386 crafted one

Thank you 🙂

[wind oak]

TJS adds are hitting like truck

wtf are those 300k hit from minion of doubt

[chrome falcon]

aoe stun them to line up their CDs

[wind oak]

no spell reflect = get buttfucked

[chrome falcon]

then reflect all of them

then... uh...

yeah idk you just BL that pack lol

[wind oak]

they cast it too often xD

[strong forum]

You can outrange it

[wind oak]

i saw that after

and my group was like wtf are you doing

i just didnt want to have floor pov and face tank bullshit

[mighty valley]

you gotta start backing away for sanguine anyway

but yes. tank dying is a timeloss. walking away for a few seconds is legal

[silent anchor]

i went for tier, i have a spark shield lol

[vital arch]

how good is larient for tank... I've got a shit 372 ring and decent 392 neck and want to see what I should spend the spark on

[copper cedar]

does anyone else have issues with the action bar not changing at the very first trash in the raid? from the dragon back?

[harsh cedar]

pins

[keen token]

Hello are some trinket better for mm+ than the bis list from wowhead? Or is it quite the same?

[vital arch]

ah so its not that godly

[limber prism]

I'm struggling to figure out what I should spend my 3rd spark on. Any ideas?

[keen token]

[Allied Wristguard of Companionship] ?

[limber prism]

Is the embellishment big for us?

[keen token]

Pin

[harsh cedar]

check the pins

[limber prism]

Aah okay, thanks 🙂

[silk sandal]

So I am coming looking for advice on the 3rd boss of temple of the jade serpent on high keys

What can I do to survive the hits in phase 2?

[edgy grail]

Run double wall, spell block

[silk sandal]

I run out of cooldowns and then its just rip

[edgy grail]

Rotate defendices

[strong forum]

^

[cinder storm]

Get a better healer

[silk sandal]

ahhh double block

[edgy grail]

And the healer needs to prep

[strong forum]

And pray for heals

[silk sandal]

true i forgot about that talent

thatll help a lot though thanks

[edgy grail]

You can IV every other heal absorb as well

[silk sandal]

i always find myself exactly 1 defensive short lol

[edgy grail]

Use reflect as well for the DR

[silk sandal]

yeah I use IV, IP, shield block, wall, last stand, rallying cry, hp pot, ultimate power pot, trinket lol

spell reflect

etc

[edgy grail]

Also if you cast spell block right before it covers 2 hits

[silk sandal]

oh really

[mighty valley]

externals exist

[cinder storm]

If its not one shotting you its a healer problem

[edgy grail]

Spell block is 20 seconds duration

[silk sandal]

well in pug life externals may not exist 🙂

2 of the dps didnt kick a single cast on the first boss lol

[slim dove]

gl convincing healers this expac that they can use externals on tank

[silk sandal]

not a gigantic amount of hope lol

[slim dove]

dps that dont kick or dps that do less overall dam then you every run

pick 1

[silk sandal]

i think double shield wall should be enough for now at least

[wicked blaze]

Does anyone on area-52 know a BS that can craft 418 shields?

[silk sandal]

thanks a lot!

[cinder storm]

A dps said to me: "but pwar is broken you do too much dps"
I replied with a "its you that sucks"

[silk sandal]

lol

[slim dove]

when grieftorch is 15% of their overall and #1

[silk sandal]

i was helping a friend in a 13 earlier and a dps was yelling at me for being in battle stance =X

[lusty nova]

What is a higher priority, weapon upgrade or shield upgrade (assuming same ilvl)?

[edgy grail]

Prob weapon

[cinder storm]

shield

[mighty valley]

shield

[edgy grail]

Shield is the best defensive item

But like you dont always need more defensiveness

Kinda depends what content you do imo

[lusty nova]

my use case is getting to the point where I can reliably farm 16's in pugs

[edgy grail]

If you’re actually doing challenging content shield is prob best

[lusty nova]

eventually looking to push 20's and higher

[pallid quiver]

That depends more on group tbh

[edgy grail]

Shield and Weap are not the problem if you cant do 16s

[pallid quiver]

And playing the dungeon well

[edgy grail]

You are gonna need both

[lusty nova]

I pug with my gf who is a resto druid. Other than her, in the +11's range I have learend that I cannot rely on the dps to do anything

[edgy grail]

I go for shield because that way you dont have to set loot spec as prot and get shit trinkets

[pallid quiver]

I've done been at an equipment level where clearing any dungeon on a 16 is possible.

The problem is people don't interrupt mobs or understand mechs

[edgy grail]

[lusty nova]

oh okay, that's a good point

[tired pivot]

guys help, are there any secret strats for CoS

about to go into a 21

[cinder storm]

Right now, any dps on keys 14 and under, are either alts or stragglers, usually the worst of the pack

[cinder storm]

Dont die

[pallid quiver]

The amount of people willing to just let flame dance go off at the same time as inferno in RLP before second boss is interesting

[tawny kiln]

Which ability is "IV"? looking through my talents for that one now

[edgy grail]

Impending Victory

[tired pivot]

how is the pacing for tanking that high

do we have enough time doing somewhat standard pulls

[tawny kiln]

ohh

[lusty nova]

The question I asked is just from a mechanical perspective. Of course skilled play will always make the biggest difference at any level

[edgy grail]

Depends on your DPS

[tired pivot]

I have not done a high CoS yet

our dps are mad good

[edgy grail]

You def have to double and triple some pulls

[lusty nova]

Thank you for your input everyone!

[cinder storm]

Just pull adds with enforcer, should be fine

You can always pull enforcer if needed with both melee elites if needed, they dont do much and you still need to move either way

[tired pivot]

hm, true

[alpine hare]

in terms of prot warr damage in keys, how's this? is there something i can do to do more? i wanna be a true blaster

Academy +16 key

[heavy temple]

How well does diurna shield ring + belt embelishment of belt work?

[tired pivot]

will probably do enforcers with each pull

[cinder storm]

Its academy

[cinder storm]

also, post logs, no one can tell anything with just details screenshot

[slim dove]

missed hov 15 by 10 seconds because dps didn't use beer he said he grabbed

[zinc spruce]

very balanced

[slim dove]

why do i trust these bottom feeders to do anything

[alpine hare]

was hoping someone could maybe tell from the amount of damage being low/high/right 🙂

[slim dove]

well nobody knows how you pulled or how you used CDs

[cinder storm]

it's academy, everyone pumps in aoe

[slim dove]

so yeah we'd need logs to really give any input

[rough hazel]

395 tier gloves or 395 Whispering Incarnate trinket? Probably raiding HC onwards. Mostly M+'ing.

[alpine hare]

didnt log
i'll log next one then 🙏

and thanks

[compact jackal]

I wonder what the max haste % a prot warrior can get right now is.

Has to be close to 60-65%

[wind oak]

btw with 4piece i should spam more revenge right ?

[cinder storm]

With 2

But you should be doing that already

[compact jackal]

and drop BT because of the +10 rage right?

[ocean bloom]

Don't be afraid to press revenge

[compact jackal]

what if I want to turn the other cheek?

[cinder storm]

After 40% you get diminishing return

[wind oak]

i'm spook and spend more time pushing TC and SS and dump my rage into ignore pain

[cinder storm]

You should be revenging like its no ones business

and using IP to not overcap

[compact jackal]

but can you diminish the fun of big haste?

[urban portal]

isnt revenge all damage

[stable owl]

hey guys, would you say that the tankiness gained with the Sophic Devotion enchant outweights the dps gain of Frozen Devotion?

[urban portal]

its 30% from stats

aka ratings

[cobalt grove]

So I need some input

Sorry for the phone pic instead of a ss

[cinder storm]

[wind oak]

ok my 2p uptime

is shit

[compact jackal]

does jeweled have a socket?

[cobalt grove]

I have 379 hands, 389 boots, assembly ring, 392 dancing jade ring

[wind oak]

i wont tell you how bad

[cobalt grove]

No

[compact jackal]

diurna + unstable frostfire go brrrrrrr

[cobalt grove]

I dunno if anyone has it on my server

[wind oak]

about going into the fray we dont do that in m+ ?

i know having shield block 100% is important

[compact jackal]

How do I cope with having a blue parse?

[wide charm]

you can easily have 100% with ITF

[keen star]

if it's normal or hc just kill it again without loot

[cobalt grove]

Diurna even with losing that much haste from one of my rings?

And no belt

[compact jackal]

Diurna makes Unstable frostfire go from eh to spicy meatball

[ripe cave]

have people been getting their shields crafted?

[cinder storm]

Yes

[compact jackal]

I've been making people 418s the past few days, yeah

[keen star]

I made weapon, lariat and allied wrist

shield drops from the first boss

[ripe cave]

whats bis embelishment on shield

[cobalt grove]

There's a pattern up on my server's ah for 100k, but I lack said funds

[compact jackal]

alchemic flavor enhancer 🙂

[cinder storm]

[formal oak]

hey guys, should I use battle stance at all when I'm running mid-level (+10-15) keys?

[cobalt grove]

If you don't feel like you're getting chunked

Go for it

[compact jackal]

There's only a few things I can think of using dstance on at that level

Raging Tempest, Tree, RLP so I don't cry from the DoTs

[formal oak]

yeah makes sense when I think of it

[sick sentinel]

does critical block take effect when spell blocking

ive been using it and im not sure

[compact jackal]

Honestly, dragon in AV tbh

[slim dove]

what does dragon do to us again

[compact jackal]

less damage means I might get less healing threat means I might not get balls

let someone else deal with balls for a change

[slim dove]

id rather get balls

[cobalt grove]

@compact jackal the ring even if I don't have the frost fire belt currently?

[slim dove]

we deal with them the best

[keen star]

void slash mobs in SBG and most of the Sha's in Temple are all 100% defensive stance packs

[compact jackal]

make it ez

[compact jackal]

I had that sealed in the trauma vault before that comment

[cobalt grove]

Keep the jade ring or assembly one of that's my other ring slot?

[formal oak]

i don't recall having any troubles in SBG, don't ever recall which mobs cast void slash

[keen star]

first pack of the dungeon and last pack before 1st boss

[cinder storm]

The skeletons, first pack and pat pack before boss

[keen star]

reanimated ritual boners

[formal oak]

oh, mkay - thanks

[keen star]

tank one-shot material on fortified if you let your guard down

but they're easy to kite even without defensives

[patent imp]

what is ou m+ stat ?

haste vers ?

[zinc spruce]

are these good

i thought of going violent outburst with unstoppable force too

[tawdry lynx]

I dont think so

[edgy grail]

Play battering ram instead of thunderlord

[tawdry lynx]

you're missing the thing after avatar which is great

[zinc spruce]

this?

[tawdry lynx]

ya unstoppable force

[zinc spruce]

ok

[sick sentinel]

no to training but yes other wise

remove barbaric training and your good

[edgy grail]

And violent outburdt as well

[sick sentinel]

i think you have to go TL or DS

i don't think you can afford both

[tawdry lynx]

I like dance of death over sonic boom but thats just me

[sick sentinel]

i was using both dance of death and storm of steel at one point in pre m+

[tawdry lynx]

i have no idea what is more optimal tbh but i need the aoe stun is pretty important for me in m+ so im not using it on CD

where as im using ravager the second it comes back up so i dunno

[sick sentinel]

i never need to think about an aoe stun

[tawdry lynx]

i tried tauren this time around, still feels like running through mud

cant do big races 😔

[heavy temple]

nah, why would you need 2 aoe stuns, mobs will get only dr'd anyway

[sick sentinel]

high mountain tauren is more or less the same thing, but its limited to a short dash pushes them out of way

and then you can be versa boy, or hp boy as normal cowman

[tawdry lynx]

TOO BIG

And my name in game is Unit. its the perfect marriage

just can't stand playing a tauren

[sick sentinel]

i've been doing as many races as i can, im going to be a top notch racist at this rate

[left cave]

so ur telling me i should be 60k dps every 5 pack wtf

i did patchwerk 5 target

i havent broke 30k dps overall yet

[oak echo]

If you have every offensice cd up for a pack probably yeah.

[tawdry lynx]

you probably simmed with full raid buffs too

[oak echo]

What's your ilvl

[left cave]

384

[oak echo]

Also that

[tawdry lynx]

and prepots and alllllll that jazz

[left cave]

i unchecked all te raid buffs actually

cause its impractical for m+

im more concerned with me living than dps but. i wana do more dps too

[blazing condor]

those two goes hand in hand

[mighty valley]

im trying a new "die" dps spec

[blazing condor]

the better you play your spec the more dps you'll do and the more survivability you'll have

unless you go full on turbo-pad

[oak echo]

Do you do m+ in bstance or dstance generally

[blazing condor]

bstance

[oak echo]

Sims will assume battle I think

[blazing condor]

and use def stance as defensive cd when needed

[oak echo]

I know I'm asking mystery

[blazing condor]

o

[oak echo]

Like that would make a big difference from what they're seeing but obviously can be a lot of things

Short of logging a key you could go murder the aoe target dummies for the amount of time you're simming and compare dmg breakdowns and casts as a starting point

[cinder patrol]

can you buff embellished gear with primal infusions after it's crafted ?

[oak echo]

Yes

[rough solar]

Can someone help me please: Any chance 2 set is worth it over 26 ilvl upgrade?

[tulip oar]

Curious question, what's the average amount of damage prot does overall on M+? Trying to compare if I'm too low or not

[marsh forge]

it can vary based on ur group, if u have some pumpers ur overall will be down, if u have no pumpers its going to be higher

if u pull bigger / less

[tulip oar]

So roughly averaging?

[marsh forge]

but typically between 20-30k based isnt an unrealistic number

[weak snow]

eye in the storm of glacial fury for m+ ?

[cinder patrol]

neat

[tulip oar]

ok, so I'm typically pushing 30k+ in 17-18s

Sounds like I'm somewhere in the sweet spot of dps and tankiness.

[oak echo]

Thats maybe a bit on the low end but again depends on a lot. Certainly not awful though and if it's timing keys then that's all you can ask for. Could always log a key and people in here can help see if there are like obvious areas to improve

[ionic roost]

Also depends on keys, Im around 35-50k overalls in 16-20s

[merry grail]

Y’all seen this build? https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUUUgRVERpFRRBBNVUVEVFUFVYVUQCBE it’s the a build for a +23, thoughts?

[tulip oar]

Yeah, I'm just spitballing an average. I've had some where I'm Crushing things

[blazing condor]

i mean thats just the normal build but with bolster

[quartz mist]

what trinkets you guys like running for 17s

[blazing condor]

whatever i got lol

worked fine for me

[merry grail]

They use fueled by violence instead of brutal vitality

Did some back of the napkin, the healing is pretty huge on large packs

[blazing condor]

if you run bloodborne im sure the healing is actually decent

[merry grail]

You lose a little value on bosses

[blazing condor]

but idk if its better than the IP

[strong forum]

BV + 4pc is also super insane on large pulls 🙂

And that build is literally pinned here aswell

[teal tartan]

I just tanked a +16 SBG dungeon which im proud of, i know its an easy dungeon

[cinder storm]

A dungeon is only as easy as your dps

[toxic pewter]

Congrats 🍾

[teal tartan]

It's because I practiced for 40 mins with the rotation and basically joined some random groups key

I had to get the ques in the dungeons, no one was taking fury

[strong forum]

Nothing better than practicing rotation first

I usually recommend 2-4hrs on dummy

To figure out a new spec

Get the muscle memory going

[teal tartan]

that's it

[blazing condor]

its interesting how many people are against dummies

and dont do dummies

[teal tartan]

the tank dummy in DF is good

I got it up to 30 stacks

[weak snow]

eye in the storm isn't simable, is it comparable to glacial dmg wise?

[cinder storm]

I practice fire mage back in bfa with the azshara trinket for a week, after that, it was very mechanical

[strong forum]

It's better on aoe than glacial fury

But worse on average

[weak snow]

awesome so def that in m+ on fort.

[sick sentinel]

Is it smart to upgreade tier gear

I got my tier piece in vault from key slot

[torpid junco]

What are our best crafting targets? I mainly do keys so thinking bracers for brez

[sick sentinel]

most of my gear is m0 gear

only two upgradeable is

[cinder storm]

No, don't use valor, it's too early for you

[sick sentinel]

ok

[rough solar]

How much is 7 ilvl upgrade on shield worth vs armor pieces?

Have 411 shield, trying to figure out if it's worth crafting 418 or just go for Frostfire Belt instead

Current belt is 395 w/socket

[wide charm]

for brez bracers, which safety component do i take ?

[teal tartan]

guys sorry to ask this, what is reducing my avatar talent so fast

[blazing condor]

Anger management

[wide charm]

Anger management

[cedar trench]

AM

[teal tartan]

ahh see it!!

ty!

[blazing condor]

Also reduces shield wall

[teal tartan]

should I be popping it on cooldown when I run it with dragons roar?

[wide charm]

yes on cd

[teal tartan]

Ok will do

[wide charm]

has such a low cd, and is both offensive and defensive

[teal tartan]

It's because I'm running it with puzzle box, so I get dps greedy lol

[wide charm]

better delay your trinket than your avatar imo

[jovial kraken]

What are people doing with stats if you're sharing gear between Prot and Fury? Especially in an example like Lariat where we control what stats we get.

[wide charm]

anyone knows ?

[marble cipher]

before I spend gold, this doesn't stack with panda double food buff right?

(apart from the "persist through death" ofc)

[timber dagger]

what do you mean by stack

it's only duration increase

[marble cipher]

right

learn to read

thanks 😄

[uncut notch]

Defensive? Assume you’re running immovable object?

[uncut notch]

Crit haste and be careful

[jovial kraken]

Thanks. By "be careful" are you referring to crit not being defensive or is there something else I should be aware of?

[night galleon]

what are you supposed to do for nohkud?

[pallid quiver]

Get percent and kill bosses

[night galleon]

every run i have to spend like 10 extra minutes just pulling random trash

[pallid quiver]

If you're needing to spend time finding percent afterward, hit more in different areas

[night galleon]

thats what id o

still missing timer even with all around 60k dps

[pallid quiver]

If you skip the trash in the last area, you need to nearly full clear at least two of the areas around the other bosses

[slim dove]

94% before going to last

pull in 3rd for %

big dam

[uncut notch]

Yes

You don’t get the easy mode of stacking shit loads of vers

If you get caught lacking you’re going down hard

But roar will do a bajillion damage which is max fun

[pallid quiver]

But crit's also a defensive stat

All stats are defensive for prot war

Vers isn't that much drastically better than crit defensively, either, unless you're running into magic damage

[warm plinth]

stacking shitloads of vers doesn't really help with survival anyway

Like you would have to have 4,100 vers just to get 10% DR

That's a fuckload of stat

[pallid quiver]

i don't even have that much crit rating and ive been fiending for that and haste ;-;

[warm plinth]

there's a dude in here with like 4600 haste

[night galleon]

im at 4300

[warm plinth]

that's a good bit too

are you running ITF or HR?

just curious

[night galleon]

my weapon shield and boots dont haveh aste tho cause no drops

[warm plinth]

not crafting weapon/shield?

[night galleon]

hr

im going for lariat and proc helm

[warm plinth]

I see

[mellow quartz]

when you go for the brez and get 3s of polymorph instead on a boss fight 😦

[warm plinth]

LOL, is that the backfire now?

that's fucked XD

[mellow quartz]

had one where I got turned miniature

[warm plinth]

I guess better than getting taken to like 1 HP though

that's funny

I assume it doesn't consume a brez charge if it backfires?

[night galleon]

is assemblyt scholars loop too good to replace

ive got a crit haste ring with socket from jade temple but the assemnbly ring damage proc does like 4% of my overall

[oblique garnet]

[warm plinth]

yuge

[oblique garnet]

Shame its not on my warrior

[warm plinth]

sadge

what is it on?

[oblique garnet]

shammy

[tender phoenix]

is there any way to null Jade Serpent Strike or is it just the average keep Active Mitigation up?

[somber sky]

the alltotem thingy only did 2.9M damage. whetstone did twice that in my key.

[zealous grove]

Also interested in this

Also about the rock monster trash after 2nd boss in AV. Those things wreck me

[mellow quartz]

you just pop a defensive and eat it

[cinder nova]

Is barbaric really worth it for ST DPS?

I see it a lot, but I feel like it might be just monkey see monkey do

[limpid anchor]

whats your alternative

[cinder nova]

Part of me wonders, though, if the increased rage spent per GCD is actually part of it.

Not taking it? It's 3 normal revenges at 100% vs 2 at 125%.

[compact jackal]

So should I actually bother with spell block?

Does it work on cancer slash?

[limpid anchor]

ah, i mistake barb for sidearm

[cinder nova]

But more casts = more SS procs

[warm plinth]

yes

[limpid anchor]

yEA

you can actually just tank them

[warm plinth]

I don't know that I'd run spell block in that dungeon though

It's what, 2 trash packs?

[limpid anchor]

i do simply for that

or atleast

if felt worth timewise that i could keep pumping

instead of running

[limpid anchor]

ye thats why i dont run barb atm

but i overcap rage some times, which is bad

so im not 100% sure if its not a dps loss, but depends on the player i assume

[compact jackal]

bro void slash scared me straight on raging

[loud patrol]

i mean between overcapping and starving i prefer to have 100 rage for a sec sometimes

[cinder nova]

I don't get where people are starving or overcapping

[limpid anchor]

bcs i dont press IP while being capped

[cinder nova]

with IP off the GCD it seems almost impossible

[warm plinth]

No one should listen to me on what to use in dungeons anyway really. I haven't even played prot yet this expansion

I main outlaw

[limpid anchor]

and you starve with barb

[cinder nova]

I haven't noticed.

[warm plinth]

I know what gear to use and I know the spec, but I haven't experienced the dungeons as a tank.

[cinder nova]

I just don't press IP as aggressively.

[limpid anchor]

well if you dont starve

then why not play it

seems like a dps increase

[cinder nova]

Seems and is are two very different things.

Hence why I'm asking.

[limpid anchor]

good that we have sims

bcs what you are asking

is more on the "feel" level

if you want concrete answers, sim

[spark cedar]

FML - 4 mythic quest

[compact jackal]

let me guess

You got it and took it from the vault

[spark cedar]

nope

just got it

[compact jackal]

you burned your third spark

[spark cedar]

i find it useless, am i mistaken?

[compact jackal]

Well

it's bis

[spark cedar]

how reliable is it to proc it with the frostfire belt

[limpid anchor]

depends if you have fire dmg or not

[spark cedar]

BIS? Wat

for prot? I can only kick it of with the belt or am i wrong?

[compact jackal]

this was from a cos

3.3% on an embellishment is yuge

[limpid anchor]

does the ring lose stats for the embellishment ?

[compact jackal]

nope

[limpid anchor]

then its huge

[spark cedar]

Hmm i guess the fire parry kicks it off too

[compact jackal]

I find the 2 piece kind of annoying to play with

[sterile bough]

life is great bois

just live it

[compact jackal]

I only had 60% uptime on it yikes

[spark cedar]

but still the belt and ring have such shit stats

[limpid anchor]

kite or block

[sterile bough]

can i out range it?

[limpid anchor]

wait

nah

just spell reflect

if thats cos

[sick sentinel]

i did like 30k about dps in tge 5 nokhud i ran for practice and one was like 1.9% another was 1.7% one was 1.X?(lessthan .7) the other was b3low 1%

thats for totem 4 stance

[spark cedar]

ya, the trinket is sick

[sterile bough]

well ye not for every u have spell reflect

[spark cedar]

im just not sur about commiting to the ring + frostfire belt

[sterile bough]

then I ddint have wall

and its just

die

;)

[limpid anchor]

i did

unless you pull both

if you dont, just stun

[sterile bough]

they cast that shit like every 10 sec

[warm plinth]

man what the hell are these magic hits this expansion

[limpid anchor]

think they only did it once for me before they died

[warm plinth]

on trash even

[sick sentinel]

i think i like spell block

[limpid anchor]

which is great

[sick sentinel]

seems to work on all sorts of stuff

[limpid anchor]

bigger spell reflects :>

[limpid anchor]

on spells, yes

[sterile bough]

tank busters this expanions are so fucking retarded

on shadowlands u had constistand dmg

[limpid anchor]

what tank busters kek

[sterile bough]

here u jsut get 100-0 in no time if u dont press def

[proud dock]

is the whetstone omega rare? been farming CoS and nothing ever drops in either Arms or Fury spec

[sick sentinel]

im okay with that, didnt do the cheese or hit a button punish

[final radish]

i have problem with [Kokia Blazehoof] boss in rubby when he casting [Searing Blows] on my tank im getting heavy damage and rly cant heal my self or defensive there. is it my problem to manage my defensive or its healer's job for heal tank ?

[sterile bough]

both

what key level are you talking about

[final radish]

15 16

[sterile bough]

on u

[sick sentinel]

he can and should run spell block for that dungeon

[sterile bough]

spell block doesnt work for that thing

atleast some1 said so b4 here that

[mellow quartz]

most healers dont realize the dots from that tank hit on 2nd boss in RLP freaking trucks

and its a channel not a cast on the tank

[sterile bough]

play with evoker

-bleed

[mellow quartz]

also spell block doesnt do shit for that hit

[sterile bough]

+stagger

dwarf also op

[sick sentinel]

i just play with whatever healer is supplied

[final radish]

not work

[mellow quartz]

play double wall and use spell reflect on each one as a DR

[sterile bough]

im doing it sht like first I wait with all my cds to pop on adds

make sure I have spell reflect + demo shout

on 2nd just wall with sth small

3rd wall again with sth small

[mellow quartz]

just died to the same boss on an 18 rlp through wall as the healer apparently decided no healing was needed for it

[sterile bough]

4th offensive cds

5th wahatever u ahve left

[light plinth]

Just got a Seal of Filial Duty, The fire damage absorb ring off of Broodkeeper, do we know of any fire damaging abilities besides trinket damage that may help proc it?

[sterile bough]

I died throught stagger and wall on 21

[mellow quartz]

dot ticks for something like 120k

[sterile bough]

healer just decided fuck me

[mellow quartz]

brew doesnt count

[sterile bough]

evkoer stagger

[autumn urchin]

Frostfire belt

Made with spark

@light plinth

[compact jackal]

what's fun is the add dot that you can't interrupt can come out at the same time

[sick sentinel]

can someone help me with lariat what gems go on that for prot tried to find stuff online about it but no luck on it dont wanna lose alot of money just because im getting the wrong ones

[sterile bough]

I have this

[prisma olive]

ok n00b prot here, but why is my damage red-ed out?

[earnest rampart]

primary stat + haste & haste/vers or haste/crit gems depending on your preference

[sand torrent]

Deff stance

[prisma olive]

ty

[chrome falcon]

hey folks what kind of dps are you expecting yourself to do in a 15 TJS

that went, like, ok

[sick sentinel]

are they on the ah or order table

[sterile bough]

40-60k depending on group

[limpid anchor]

40k

[chrome falcon]

ok that feels about right

just pulled 50k which is the same as 2 of the dps lol

[limpid anchor]

Then the dps suck

[chrome falcon]

just making sure i'm not as washed in m+ as i am in raid

[limpid anchor]

On the 15 I did I only had 22k dps :(

[chrome falcon]

trying to be super fucking religious about fitting SC/rav/TR into DS every single time i can

and seems to be helping

[limpid anchor]

But not sure if logs are different than details

[chrome falcon]

oh yeah i think when people talk about their overall dps they're normally referring to details?

i might be wrong but

[oblique garnet]

Pmuch

[chrome falcon]

hey late

you gaming this patch?

[oblique garnet]

Ofc

[oblique garnet]

Mostly sofar on my shaman

[zinc spruce]

is alchemy stone good

[lusty narwhal]

still having a hard time choosing what i should craft third with spark, i see a lot of tanks in the top M+ groups get the bracers

are they good?

[limpid anchor]

Yes

Everything is good

[lusty narwhal]

yea i might just get bracers

[cinder nova]

Isn't bracers an embellish

[lusty narwhal]

yea?

[cinder nova]

This feels like crafted legendaries, but not as fun.

capped at 2, different ones different content

[oblique garnet]

*but somehow even more expensive

[lament zealot]

is whispering incarnate icon good for prot?

[limber flame]

ye lot of stat

esp good if another in group

[chrome falcon]

embellishments are weird

and kinda

weak

so don't stress them

[sick sentinel]

thanks for showing me

[warm plinth]

Embellishments are the most overrated thing by the general public of WoW that has ever existed.

[deep spruce]

Is the crafted belt and diurna (fire dmg) ring a strong enough combo for that to be my next craft?

[eternal marsh]

whats better to use in M+ glacial or the when you get hit you get STR one

[deep spruce]

Glacial does a fuck tonne of dmg

[slim dove]

bro people wanna know what 1% embellish to put on their gear to push their weekly untimed 15

[chrome falcon]

fr

people giga tryharding the shit that doesn't matter

[urban portal]

NO

no

thats secondary stat distributino

thats even more overrated

[pallid quiver]

yo i aint even using one of my spark items

I got a shield, then got a higher ilvl shield twice

So my 3xx something Spark shield os just sitting in my inventory

And i aint even fussed about it

[jovial birch]

Of course I get neck from 4 mythic quest when I already have max lvl Lariat FML

[wooden widget]

do spark crafted bracers come with an auto socket?

[night galleon]

how is the Armor spikes embellishment? is it better than the crafted helm with the thorns dot

[cinder nova]

In practice it's as good as any other embel, but it requires uptime to get that similar value, so it falls behind in raids.

M+ it's obviously going to get full value.

Fang is probably better if you're trying to do dam.

[night galleon]

i only tank m+

raid tanking is boring

[cinder nova]

And yet I just wiped to my VDH panicking and cleaving the raid QQ

[pallid quiver]

Yo, I had another prot war do that to me yesterday

Also, random prot war pugs talking about how busted prot war is and how big its damage is then proceeding to pull 15k in ST at 390 ilvl

[cinder nova]

A higher pop class means a lower median player ability.

[thin cedar]

I do way more damage on my VDH.. I think I just suck at prot warrior 😭

[cinder nova]

Bet you're turtling too much.

[floral moon]

does avatar/booming make trinkets hit harder?

[thin cedar]

I think I am spamming ignore pain more than I need to

[cinder nova]

Probably. Wont know w/o logs.

[thin cedar]

Do you guys let ignore pain fall off ever?? Or keep it 100%

Or try to

[cinder nova]

IP uptime meme

It's not an uptime buff.

It's just pad to avoid nukes and avoid rage overcapping.

[tepid owl]

How good is Blazebinder's Hoof for us? Looks like a good trinket, got it at 405 in the vault. But, it dungeon simmed lower than both my normal ilvl Rumbling Ruby and Decoration of Flame. Anyone have an opinion on this trinket?

[thin cedar]

So I shouldn’t be trying to maintain IP like a mad man?😂

[warm plinth]

It is good @tepid owl if you mean dungeon slice sim, our APL is not optimized for that

[eternal marsh]

is the big toe trink decent?

[sterile bough]

you have health for a reason

ip is not ur health

[tepid owl]

Didn't think I'd get a good/accurate sim

Ty man, think I'll snag it

[sterile bough]

also IV heals u more than IP for 25 less rage

[granite nest]

Anyone have a macro for 1-button stance swapping?

nvm

pins

[pallid quiver]

I like this one, can we keep him?

He read the pins

[granite nest]

[ember inlet]

Anyone know if its possible to get tier out of the heroic cache from the weekly ?

[jovial birch]

I don't think so

[edgy grail]

No

[ember inlet]

Dang big sad

[fallow matrix]

So IP should be more treated like a cd if u know there's a big hit coming or if u cap rage? Asking cause I think I spam it to much too

[sterile bough]

pretty much yes

[fallow matrix]

Okay thank you

[lusty narwhal]

Dont use it as a cd, you wanna keep your ip high depending on what your fighting because any dmg that goes through it is full dmg

if you dont have a weakaura telling you how much ip you have

get one

[slim dove]

what is with dps in 15+ keys that dont use the weakaura for thundering

[sterile bough]

dw ppl dont use it on 20s as well

I mean tehy do but warlock dont

[slim dove]

ITS ALWAYS THE WARLOCKS

WHY

[ember inlet]

Big true

[slim dove]

cucked a 17 temple because lock runs away from me with thundering on last

[sterile bough]

last time I had a warlock in rlp first boss stood in the pulling thing, died and said " I tought I can live it throught the wall, guess not"

[grim grotto]

what u prefer in a high key this week AA ? the whole trash before endboss, or the trash between bird and elemental boss.

[slim dove]

bird / ele boss trash

spinny retard dragonkin sitting in sanguine tilt me to an early grave

[limber flame]

trash before end boss love to whirlwind right in sanguine

just sitting there having a good time

[grim grotto]

hmm. true. tried to do the trash before endboss and wasted our 2 chest with it on a +18

actually almost deplete

[limber flame]

ye ele trash aint too bad

[grim grotto]

but there are lot of jumpers