protection

[urban portal]

that being said sims is probably your best bet because itll for sure tell you wehther frostfire belt procs it or not

[past locust]

is the trinket any good?

[zealous grove]

but if i dont, no?

[warm plinth]

No it is not

[past locust]

sorted ill go haste vers shield den

[warm plinth]

Frostfire is fire and frost

[zealous grove]

debating whether to go that belt or

[warm plinth]

It procs the raid rings

[past locust]

comes with leech too

[clever heart]

Are Phial of the Eye in the Storm still the bis phial for us to use in keys ?

[mellow quartz]

Glacial fury is your best bet for damage

[clever heart]

kk ty ty ❤️

[thick mauve]

Help x)
1 is higher ilvl , the other piece of set with bis stats

[thick mauve]

Ring is 23 ilvl upgrade tho

[clever heart]

in what cases would phial of eye in the storm be better ?

[mellow quartz]

Probably non realistically

The str is more defensiveness but so minor

[clever heart]

ok tyty

[tall cedar]

so guys gloves is the way?

stats are sucks tbh but others are so weak aswell

[steady steppe]

Gloves are worst part of the set pretty sure

[tall cedar]

but well its still upgrade idk

[median tulip]

you're going to want to be using Gloves in the optimal setup, regardless of stats, because only 3 of the set pieces have Haste, and of the other 2 the Chest has the higher stat budget for a crafted or BiS drop to have Haste on

[errant leaf]

2p and +19ilvl on gloves or +36ilvl on legs ?

[thick mauve]

Any help on these too? ^^

[errant leaf]

i dont raid btw

[median tulip]

How much Tier do you already have?

[thick mauve]

0

I dont raid

[median tulip]

also that ring is not what I'd call BiS, it doesn't have Haste on it

[wanton zephyr]

how the fuck do you get primal infusions

[unborn aspen]

hey guys, got 2piece today: what do i do with my rage below 20% enemy hp ? keep buff or all just ignorepain execute ?

[thick mauve]

Yeah true

[unborn aspen]

and drop buff ?

[thick mauve]

I'll just go with the tier set i guess

[median tulip]

M+11 or higher

[median tulip]

you get these to combine

[wanton zephyr]

oh alright

[ionic fern]

Execute.

[errant leaf]

2p and +19ilvl on gloves or +36ilvl on legs ? I don't raid

[ionic fern]

2p

So many vault questions.
Simple answer:
Sim yourself.

[unborn aspen]

thanks mate

[limber prism]

Is it worth crafting shield with the armor embelishment if I already have a 415?. Trying to figure out what 3rd armorpiece is worth doing...

[young mango]

Wait we can get set pc without raiding 🤔

[pallid quiver]

Vault

And eventually, Catalyst in like, 4 weeks or something

[young mango]

lol nice

[sudden gazelle]

Hey! Im new to crafting orders but i understand how it works. Question about the commission: is the amount the game suggests a good price to use? I just want to get my neck asap 🤣

[pallid quiver]

it's a tip amount. For Lariat specifically, you're likely gonna put whatever the crafter's charging

[sudden gazelle]

The game automatically uses the value of 2k

So i just use that?

[pallid quiver]

well

on my server, last friend who made a lariat had to pay 50k in that

so make of that what you will

[sudden gazelle]

I wonder if the game uses an algorithm to sort out the value

Suggested

From the crafting history

[limpid anchor]

Doesn’t it just use the current orders that are up

On my server it said 40k, I paid around 50k

[lofty mica]

I paid 50k for a guanteed 405 neck atleast

[mystic radish]

without mats right?

[static aspen]

I paid 5k for that

[lofty mica]

Ye

[mystic radish]

Sadly cant afford the commission ._.

[limpid anchor]

then chop chop go grind

[lofty mica]

No, that was with mats (3k for mats) ish

[sudden gazelle]

I bought the cheapest one and yeah it just went through with 2k commission

Can i upgrade this one to be higher ilvl later?

And mine came with just one socket

[mellow quartz]

Paid 20k for a 418 neck, I said 418 and he said 20k but couldn’t guarantee it as it had to be proc’ed. Was 415 and he then wanted 10K per recraft and I told him I would report him for scamming as the deal was 20k for 418 not 415 and he then recrafted it 5 times for free after some ‘persuading’.

Good deal 😏

[chrome warren]

What are you using to proc the ring?

[wanton shale]

haste is our best overall stat for defense + offense, crit is best for pure dmg?

[mellow quartz]

Crit rating gives parry

[chrome warren]

A crafted?

[limpid anchor]

Can you recraft that to get different stats?

[surreal birch]

I'm using the Guardian's ring, it gives me nice ~9%-18% absorbsion depending on fight, would it be wise to change it for 408 Melandrus? The stat diff is insane, but I feel like that absorb is kinda worth more?

[surreal birch]

you can, adding missive

oh my bad, I took that "Infuse with power" was missinve thing

my bad

[limpid anchor]

Very sad

[wanton shale]

what's the PPM on that belt?

[uncut basin]

Our bis weapon is from Nokhud offensive?

[surreal birch]

for dps ye, for more "defensive" the algeth one

[wanton shale]

1.2% free dps it looks like? pretty sweet

[limpid anchor]

But how much do you lose for no haste

[smoky haven]

should i use spark for shield? mine is 389 (flame marshals)

i currently have weapon crafted

[wanton shale]

wouldn't lariat yield more overall stats with the proc?

[limpid anchor]

You can have both

[smoky haven]

i currently have 392 chain of scorched bones so ive been holding off on lariat

[steady steppe]

The damage one from cobalt is much better I think

[wanton shale]

if you only want to spend 1 of ur sparks, i'd lean towards lariat cuz it's unique. Farming a shield upgrade spamming M+ shouldn't be too bad

[strong forum]

All embellishments are unique

Lariat isn't any better than others, it's been a huge bait

Crafted magnificently by the gold overlords

And I fell for it too

[zealous spade]

what gems do I have to put into Lariat if I want haste to proc?

[wanton shale]

shield embellishment is just as good as Lariat?

[steady steppe]

Ajr gems

Air

[thorny quiver]

Anyone know if it’s still true today that you can add the food buff embellishment and it doesn’t count as one?

[strong forum]

Yes, they're both ~1% stat gain on average

[oblique kayak]

yes

[wanton shale]

well those gold lords did a great job marketing haha

everybody and their dog got a lariat thinking it was best one

[thorny quiver]

I just spent 89k on it AMA

[strong forum]

I put together a small explanation of some embellishments in the pins

[oblique kayak]

lucky i didn’t 🙂

[mellow quartz]

Neck was hyped from the double proc times though and the fact you can manipulate what secondary it procs

Shield is just vers

[wanton shale]

i got the neck late so prices weren't insane, tipped the guy 20k so not too horrible

i kinda like that belt now though

might get that next

[smoky haven]

so should i just craft lariat since i dont have ring for belt (my helm is solid too)

[potent gulch]

But on aoe it beats belt

By a big margin

For example

[strong forum]

I got the fire dmg ring in vault so I'm not sure wherether to pick it and craft belt, or pick 415 tier shoulders and craft weapon

[warm plinth]

@ionic fern I think Nome needs help with his vault

😂

[smoky haven]

yeah i picked shoulders and have crafted wep

[strong forum]

Yeah im thinking same

Feels better

[strong forum]

How so

It's still 1% stats on average, 70% of the time lariat isn't even up

And it's the combination of belt+ring that's so good

[steady steppe]

Isn't drop chance on ring much lower than tier

[potent gulch]

My Sims tells me)) probably belt is procing only on 1 rarget?

[strong forum]

That's what's the game tells you, but not everything what is written in the game is true

[steady steppe]

Lmao

[strong forum]

And I have to commit a spark for the ring to be useful

[warm plinth]

Yeah for that ring being "very rare" it sure seems to drop a lot

[oblique wharf]

if i just got weapon 402 from weekly quest is it worth to craft shield using spark?

or i still should go for a weapon?

[patent saddle]

i need help pls what do i take here in vault

[limpid anchor]

Tier

[strong forum]

Depends what your current shield and goals are

[strong forum]

Do you have frost fire belt?

[oblique wharf]

i have this

[limber galleon]

Damn good one

[strong forum]

Hm

[wanton shale]

that belt proccing ring absorb looks sweet

[strong forum]

418 shield would make you a decent chunk tankier

[oblique wharf]

and weapon

[patent saddle]

i dont have that belt

but i can craft it today

[strong forum]

Weapon is 5% dmg gain, shield is like 7% surv gain

So uh, it's up to you

[oblique wharf]

or i should just fuck everything and go for lariat

[limpid anchor]

Who cares about survival

[strong forum]

Nah

[oblique wharf]

cuz i literally wasted my 2 previous sparks

[limpid anchor]

You don’t even take shockwave to max the dps

[strong forum]

[mellow quartz]

People who don’t do trivial content?

[oblique wharf]

well im doing 16-18 and aiming some 20s this week

so i guess survival would help

[patent saddle]

i am just looking at the vault and dont know what to take

[limpid anchor]

https://m.twitch.tv/clip/BrightTenderDumplingsNomNom-TwQaKCUrYECKPxgY

[patent saddle]

all is upgrades

[mellow quartz]

I was like 393 ilvl yesterday before reset. Got a drop from a key. Crafted and upgraded some items and picked from vault. 400 ilvl now.

Quite the 24 hour jump lol

Still have 2 or 3 370-380 pieces 😦

[strong forum]

Can't believe alyrion slacking

Smh

[mellow quartz]

I have been in Denmark for 8 days on a laptop with 30 fps and no graphics card

Hard to push

And 200 Ping

[strong forum]

Sounds like me 15 years ago

Back in naxx

[patent saddle]

is that ring very good or not ? i have ruby trinket and blazebinders hoof aswell that can go with it

[candid coral]

New to tanking and playing warrior in general. Is there any abilities I need to macro together or nah?

[patent saddle]

but my legs are 376 still and there is tier legs in vault

[strong forum]

Yeah both fire rings are super strong

[mighty grail]

Question, are the raid specific builds for each encounter tested and accurate? Those from wowhead

[mellow quartz]

In the airport flying back to the US now so hopefully I can get to play properly again.

[strong forum]

Haven't had a look at those

[steady steppe]

Our 3rd spark is this week right?

[strong forum]

Yes

[steady steppe]

Nice

[mighty grail]

Ok, so still go for the pinned one here?

[strong forum]

Ya, that one will do you solid

On dathea pick up disrupting shout

On council you go bloodsurge + barbaric training

Rest is just normal

[wet crow]

is it worth farming the cobalt assembly ring at this point or just get higher ilvl ring?

idk the value of it

[strong forum]

They're still pretty good

[wet crow]

even over like a 405++ ring?

[strong forum]

Yes

[wet crow]

that's a lot of stam gone

[strong forum]

Stam is the least interesting stat

[clever heart]

are Elemental Potion of Power still our bis potion for m+ ?

[strong forum]

Shocking disclosure is good for aoe

I would just default to that one as it is also a slight bit cheaper

[clever heart]

ok ty <3. then still use pot of power for ST ?

[strong forum]

Shocking disclosure isn't half bad there aswell, but yes power is better therec

[clever heart]

O wow the shocking disclosure proc is just that high # currently. ok good to know

[limber galleon]

I crafted a weapon last week; would it be a good idea to craft a shield this week with my spark? I’m 384 but my shield is still 372

I don’t have elemental lariat

[sudden gazelle]

Will gems be destroyed if i recraft my lariat?

[limber galleon]

No i don’t think so, you even keep your enchant from what my crafter told me

Well for non neck slots anyway

[sudden gazelle]

Cool, thanks!

[atomic stirrup]

Is the shield of hearth worth it over just getting the shield made with a shield spike in it

anyone check the proc chance on shield of hearth

[tired pivot]

hey, how much does tier set mean for us? would I be choosing a 408ilvl tier set item over a 421 non tier set

for context, got a chest piece at both those ilvls with 408 being tier set

[atomic stirrup]

it depends are you doing raid or not

[tired pivot]

not raiding

[atomic stirrup]

421 is probably worth it more, if you have a shot at raids

[tired pivot]

well, I can clear heroic stuff

other than last boss probably with pugs

[ionic fern]

2ppm

[tired pivot]

I am wondering if the ilvl beats out the tier set effect

[atomic stirrup]

so it has a 50% upitime @ionic fern ?

[hoary belfry]

What are your thoughts on Static-Charged Scale? Worth the risk of dying or nah? According to some rando wowhead comment it procs two times per minute, which i doubt, but havent tested yet

[ionic fern]

What?

Dying?

You ok?

It's like negative damage.

[hoary belfry]

I mean the possibility is there right 😂

[warm plinth]

make the other shield

the vers proc is meh and you can customize the stats on the other one

[hoary belfry]

Lmao ok so its not very likely to die

[ionic fern]

You don't even notice it.

And yes, it's roughly 2ppm

[hoary belfry]

That actually sounds like a very good trinket for us

[ionic fern]

Sorry, wrong.It's "thunderstruck".

Which hit 15k.

[tall cedar]

guys when we are changing cobalt ring?

[ionic fern]

When ever i find something that sims higher.

[tall cedar]

auto attack / dmg cobalt right is the way now?

[ionic fern]

Sim

Yourself.

[prisma echo]

@ionic fern i start simming as you recomend me, should i take dungeon slice in options? (im optimizing for m+)

[ionic fern]

No.

For m+ i'd suggest you just sim patchwerk with w/e pull sizes you do for how ever long (depending on key level) without raid buffs.

And then take a healthy "middle-ground" between that and the ST sim.

[prisma echo]

by pull size you understand nr of bosses?

[tender quartz]

Would I wanna upgrade my Shield or Weapon first to 418 with the Concentrated Primal? As in, would you feel the surv. difference with a 405 > 418 Shield or if I feel fine just go for damage?

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[ionic fern]

I'd go for the weapon.
Can't go wrong with either tho.

[tender quartz]

So if I feel fine go weapon for fun eh

Just 10 more 16's for the shield so it's just a matter of a day or so

[prisma echo]

@ionic fern thanks for help. Last quesiton. I start simming for dmg as you talk but now i have big thoughts for what should i spend my valor points. For now i was collecting them for BIS wowhead weapon heaste/ver but now i consider should i farm DPS stat weapon f.ex nokhund one

[ionic fern]

Bis lists don't exists (outside of some nieche trinkets/rings).
Take them just as a guidance.

[crude notch]

Will you be my guidance

[ionic fern]

Sure.

[crude notch]

to excellence

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[spice axle]

how do u guys sim for m+ damage

[crude notch]

:bless:

[ionic fern]

You excellent yet?

[pallid quiver]

the bis list is the almighty robot overlord who tells me what to put on for big numberf

[prisma echo]

But how i feel when i need more dmg but im lacking defensives

[ionic fern]

Eh?

if you're "Lacking" defensives then you post a log here with what you're struggling.

[prisma echo]

as i understand you say take your bis items by simming

[pallid quiver]

if you're lacking defensiveness, play better

[ionic fern]

And we'll point out what you're doing wrong.

[pallid quiver]

To be completely blunt

if it can't be solved by playing better, get any better gear

but normally, the former is the solution

[ionic fern]

People rocking HR/ED and still having 50% blocked hits.

"Y me die".

[pallid quiver]

i usually don't have 100% blocked hits because i'm bad, i sit at like 98% ;-;

[lean gale]

What you guys using for your 3rd sparck?

[ionic fern]

Trash.

[pallid quiver]

I got me a lariat because the almighty robot overlord said it give me biggest number

[blazing condor]

literlly me

[ionic fern]

https://tenor.com/view/8ball-bart-simpson-shaking-shake-magic-ball-gif-17725278

[lean gale]

https://tenor.com/view/nail-biter-nervous-anxious-nervoso-gif-15495062

[pallid quiver]

Oh, by the way, Mwahi, if you're still looking. When did you start writing the IcyVeins guide for Prot War? Even before I joined this Discord, I was always using it as a resource to catch up every xpac, so I wanted to know how much of me doing baseline competent I've gotta thank you for

[ionic fern]

Ee..2019 something

I'm always looking.

[pallid quiver]

i wasn't certain if you pulled the blankets over yourself over the spark questions like i do sometimes

[smoky sonnet]

Can i proc Seal of Diurnas Chosen with Decoration of Flame? or do i just want it for stats?

[prisma echo]

Ok so basicly i shoudnt have problem with my survi and if i have its more CDrotation/gameplay problem. With gear i should aim to maximize my dmg output through simming my character right?

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[pallid quiver]

Trinket stuff does proc as long as it's fire damage, ye

i'm not butthurt i lost deco of flame to a DPS or something

[smoky sonnet]

Got deco last night and ring in my box 🙂

[minor leaf]

Anyone got a bis list for prot warriors I can use as a base for my war?

[fair bane]

hmmm... in vault I get a 395 ruby whelp trinket (up 19ilvl) and a Tier chest that's up 3ilvl from my regular chest. Is the tier worth to start collecting or is ilvl king and we wait for the Tier-creator to arrive?

[ionic fern]

If you're just looking for a solid golden middle ground take the easy way:
For items (outside of rings/necks/trinkets):
-Is it higher ilvl? Yes, equip.
-Is it a minimal ilvl increase/same ilvl with different stats/lower item with a socket? - Sim yourself.

Rings/Necks/Trinkets - Sim yourself.

[broken mulch]

😅 I just tried to sim all my trinkets, I don't do mythic so simmed hc versions and mythic+ Valor upgraded 415 and the darkmoon decks. And the darkmoon deck simmed 1.95k increase Vs the 1.3k increase from raid trinkets Vs 1.5k from the m+ ones.. is this a trap or should I actually consider it 😅

[graceful kite]

Shield

[lean gale]

i made shield and lariat with first 2 sparcks

[graceful kite]

I made a 1h weapon

With food embelishment

[sonic eagle]

I only do mythic+ What do you guys recomend to craft with sparks? i have 3. Im thinking neck and weapon atm

[graceful kite]

Neck weapon shield

[sonic eagle]

oka ty

[potent gulch]

is 405 boon is go to trinket?

[prisma echo]

Ok thanks for that i get better understanding now. What about then valor points? I have limited amount of them and before was reading to invest them in weapon/trinkets

[craggy pilot]

anyone know how you get 3rd Spark?

is it just campaign? or locked behind Renown?

[cunning knot]

Does the Frostfire belt proc raid rings with fire dmg proc?

[sick sentinel]

my assumption is that valoe will be uncapped towards second half or last 3rd of season

[warm plinth]

Just the same quest chain as the others

[broken mulch]

Yes

[lean gale]

Really that good?

[prisma echo]

How can i add items to my sim if i dont have one in bag?

[sick sentinel]

i have to get i think its 19 then 24 reknown

to do more story

[graceful kite]

Yep great qol

And it doesnt take up an embelishment slot

[pallid quiver]

He put embellishment- yeah that

It's effectively a free effect

[lean gale]

Ohh its free

[graceful kite]

Yep

And it costs like 5k on ah

[sick sentinel]

i dont know the real lore of hogger but brackenhide gollow could have been perfect backstory if he has none

is like, he doesnt like it, so he runs away or something

[lean gale]

How is this thing called

[graceful kite]

Alchemist pocket something...

[lean gale]

70k on my serevr D

xD

[graceful kite]

Well u can try to get it from the soup event

From once a week epic bag

I got it 2 weeks ago and it was 5k on ah then

[amber oasis]

i got a spiteful storm from hc chest

this trinket is a joke right?

[ionic fern]

Gear compare.

[prisma echo]

thx

Mwahi sorry for bother but any tips what should i aim to spend valor points?

[ionic fern]

What ever is the hardest to aquire.

Weapon/ShielD/Trinkets

[prisma echo]

If im not raiding isnt tier sets most hard to quire?

and i should spend on them?

[steady steppe]

Yes until catalyst releases then u can easily upgrade tier

[prisma echo]

Catalyst is not here for month

i can farm every m+ keys but i cant farm raid sets

i can only get them from vault

so i think i should focus them on my valor points

[ionic fern]

Use them on w/e you want.

I already told you what i would use them on.

[steady steppe]

If u wanna dump ur valor into tier by the time catalyst comes out u can get the tier at same if not higher level and ur trinkets that u can't get in catalyst is still low level

[sick sentinel]

i seem to have little trouble getting new weapons so j skjppdd a good one in vsult yesterday

[prisma echo]

get it

[dapper yacht]

how to self heal more as war?

[sick sentinel]

392 or 395, so i figure before long something similiar will drop in a dungeon same stats at least

[pallid quiver]

spend more rage

[mild jolt]

for prot ; Should i always take the ilv? like, i have a 376 ring on, and a 392 in bag. is the 100 stam better that the "wrong" stats

[limber galleon]

the well fed embelishment can be sloted in any crafted piece?

[steady steppe]

Yes

[pallid quiver]

We always say ilvl because of strength

Jewelry can be fuzzy

[steady steppe]

Sim it if ur unsure

[mild jolt]

yeha, thats what i know, and i do. but rings, necks and stuff is a bit tricky sometime,s tahts why i ask

and this time, i got 5 rings and normal t chest... so its all in all tricky to choose xD

[harsh cedar]

This trinket, how does it work on the "return" if the mobs have gotten through your shield on before that happens. Do you get a new shield, or does it only happen if shield is still holding?

[digital saddle]

any shieldcrafter for t5? Cant find one in my server.

[patent saddle]

Seal of Filial Duty what is the gcd on this ring for shield ? each how many min or seconds it procs ?

[mortal brook]

2pp

[ionic fern]

I will teach you a secret.

1. Go to wowhead
2. Search for the item/proc
3. Click on the proc
4. Proft.

Don't tell anyone tho.

[mortal brook]

Not on gcd nor icd

[ionic fern]

PROCS PER WHAT STEVE?? PROCS PER WHAT???

[mortal brook]

Big pp

[patent saddle]

ok thanks

gona chek now xD didnt knew that

[ionic fern]

[sterile bough]

bois... what do I take even

[full violet]

So, Emissary of War cant be Tier Set right?

[patent saddle]

ok so i guess the ring is very good

[proven flax]

Conflicted as to what my 2 embelisments should be

[wide charm]

i have lariat + 1H what should i craft next ?

[warm plinth]

Correct

[warm plinth]

whetstone I guess? boon is kinda scuffed to try to use since you get rooted for 10 sec

but it does a lot of damage

[proven flax]

apparently from sims I want the belt with frost damage (already have lariot) but not sure if thats because its good or my belt sucks

[rancid python]

@wide charm Personally crafting shield, cr bracers would be nice but they're way too clunky as a tank

[frosty carbon]

Is Hunger of the Pack a decent option if i already have the whetstone and dont plan on raiding?

[warm plinth]

Yeah, it's decent. Good stat stick

[frosty carbon]

my vaults kinda shitty, getting tier only in the raidslots

running whetsone and lowlvl ruby whelp

[rancid python]

Well, about that 😁

[warm plinth]

seems good :p

[rancid python]

Also, isn't Ruby Whelp Shell omega shit?

[frosty carbon]

is it?

[warm plinth]

It's not great

[patent saddle]

is the crafted belt that has frostfire proc on it good ? if i have Seal of Filial Duty ?

[warm plinth]

It's the only way you can proc the ring so it's good in that sense

[marble cipher]

Yes

[rancid python]

Feel like it never does anything, Hoof is way better

[frosty carbon]

i have a primal ritual shell as well, heard its busted

[patent saddle]

i have this 2 trinkets aswell

they dont proc the ring ?

[ionic fern]

Fire

Damage

Procs

The

Ring

If they do fire damage they have a chance to proc it.

[frosty carbon]

also, how worth is rushing the tier set? i feel like taking 395 gloves from vault just because its tier seems fucked

[humble ferry]

What should i use my next spark on? Got lariat and a good wep already

[rancid python]

Well, Shield if you want the best defensive option for high keys, whatever sims best for damage

[trail oriole]

any tips what i should get? i already have tier legs from m+. im thinking about helm but it cant be upgraded and i already have 402 regular helm from weekly valdraken cache two weeks ago which titanforged somehow

[humble ferry]

I'm not planning on doing super high keys, 20s is enough for me. What would you recommend for damage?

[spice orbit]

I feel like this is a solid item... however I barely saw mobs that need kiting... most mobs just have frontals that my melees will run into, if I do this 😐

[rancid python]

@humble ferry raidbots.com

[humble ferry]

I'm too much of a casual idiot to use sites like these lol

[ionic fern]

Okay, let me use my magic ball.
The neck that you just got will be a 2 DPS increase for you.

[humble ferry]

Haha well its 418 tho

[ionic fern]

Nah

Still

2 DPS

[humble ferry]

So the embalishments are kinda shit

[ionic fern]

It's a easy tool and using it will go a long way answering all your questions.

[limpid anchor]

Toxic

[ionic fern]

Give a man a fish...

Most of the embelishments are ~1%, yes.

[spice orbit]

"reminds me of my wife"

[tall cedar]

retail sim site is kinda bs

a lot people in que not like wotlk sim site

[ionic fern]

What queue?

[limpid anchor]

Just pay

[tall cedar]

i cant get instant result

[opal flame]

should I just slap 3x Quick Ysemerald in my freshly baked Elemental Lariat?

[ionic fern]

Just download SIMC client.

And run it locally.

[ivory star]

need help with what to pick have 0 tier piece , have the trinket on hc version already but i think i should go weapon, my current weapon is 392 with avoidance . any tips would be appreciated

[ionic fern]

[limpid anchor]

And imagine simming for wotlk kek

[steady steppe]

Why does Wowhead say puzzle box is shit but everyone here says it's one of the best

[spice orbit]

because everyone here is the best player and has time to use it

[upbeat needle]

Just picked this out of vault, what do people run for enchant in m+? Sophic or Frozen devotion?

[ionic fern]

You ok?

[upbeat needle]

I'm sorry Mwahi, I had to pick it, it was too beautiful

[ionic fern]

😦

Frozen more than likely.

[edgy belfry]

the sword has bad stats, vendor it

[ionic fern]

Though Sophic is close in most sims.

[inner plank]

Is the whelp trinket from Ruby Life Pools any good ? What does the proc actually do ?

[jade pulsar]

what gems do u guys use in lariat? i use these atm and only getting vers procs, guess i want 1 vers/haste gem as well to get haste proc?

[edgy belfry]

so is puzzle box good or not? so many mixed answers

[humble ferry]

Annoying for tanks

Because of the 2 sec cast

Solid trink tho

[normal coral]

Does [Infurious Warboots of Impunity] work in m+? Or only PVP?

I ment [Infurious Helm of Vengeance]

the head

[ionic fern]

It's ok. Nothing to write home about.

[odd wave]

Is there any way for us to proc this reliably?

[ionic fern]

TrinketS/Embelishments.

[odd wave]

I got the blazebinders hoof

but its just 1 instance of fire damage unfortunately

[edgy belfry]

do we prefer DoF and WII combo?

[spice orbit]

Just considering what to craft this week... should I just go weapon? 😐

[jovial birch]

All totem of the master or rumbling ruby paired with decoration of flame which is better?

[static aspen]

Ewwwww tauren warrior

[spice orbit]

Could also go belt or shoes... but I'm not as excited about those...

[blazing condor]

was the All-Totem any good?

[pearl fulcrum]

Yes for keys

[blazing condor]

pog

[pearl fulcrum]

I like to run all totem and rumbling ruby for keys

[normal coral]

Does [Infurious Helm of Vengeance] work on mobs in m+?

[rancid python]

Highmountain Tauren Warrior even

Best Horde racial tbh

And looks metal af

[pearl fulcrum]

Yes truls

[earnest jackal]

theres any diff between the crafted fist weapon and the axe at 418?

[jagged pier]

biz for keys

[blazing condor]

good weekly quest reward then

[spice orbit]

mostly playing it for the racial. Helps out a lot not only from stun component but also the charge ignores slows etc

[sick sentinel]

how do i track which stance this goes to? i know that wind is the best dmg and gives a haste buff and fire is nice

but im not sure how the stance crap really works, if theres a particular order it goes through each time

referring to this

[earnest jackal]

no one knows if theres diff between all the type of craft one handed weap for protec?

[severe steeple]

yes, the fist is agility

[earnest jackal]

this is the real diff

[severe steeple]

no differtence then

fists are usually DH/encha

so i thought it was only agi

[earnest jackal]

so the xxx - xxx doesnt matter at all?

[severe steeple]

nah

[earnest jackal]

the dps is the same, also the speed

[severe steeple]

these things mattered from vanilla up to a point, its just flavour now

[stable escarp]

Came here to get advice for the same thing.

[quiet monolith]

Kill branch right when eruption happens and burst / blow CDs

[lunar hawk]

out of these two what would be the best option mainly for mythic plus tanking? Surely it would be the tier gloves right? (It would be my 2nd set bonus if picking the gloves)

[rancid python]

Both of these will get replaced sooner rather than later, but for now 2 set is probably the best immediate upgrade, don't think 395 icon is worth it over 405+ trinkets

[lunar hawk]

That's what I was thinking 🤔

[hollow wing]

Do we get another spark next week ?

[lunar hawk]

Think it is every 2 weeks no?

@hollow wing

[hollow wing]

F

Ty !

[chrome falcon]

@strong forum how much better is 4pc than 2pc

i'm looking at 25 ilvl upgrade shoulders with leech vs some tier gloves that give 4pc

[sudden gazelle]

Great vault: Whispering incarnate icon VS new weapon. Both ilvl 395 and both are a 23ilvl upgrade for me.

Im tempted to go trinket

[chrome falcon]

you're insane

weapon is 2nd most important piece

take weapon and never look back

[sick sentinel]

u have to have fuck loads of reknown to do this

one of them told me 24

[chrome falcon]

unless you're raiding and a complete simp and want to buff your teammates

but even then

skipping 23 ilvls on weapon is trolling

[sudden gazelle]

:DD okay i was kinda hoping someone would knock some sense to me

[crude notch]

With Mwahi's Icy-veins guide, my IO went up by 250% in one week. I highly suggest it to all those out there!

[sick sentinel]

i skipped 19 ilvls on a haste versa weapon for an avoidance horn of valor cuz "i can just get a weapon to drop anyways cuz i have luck"

[earnest jackal]

what do you pref guys, sophic dev or frozen dev? both for raid and m+

[sick sentinel]

im only doing frozen writ r1 on my 376 weapon

[past ginkgo]

Should I use my spark on weapon or shield first? Both would be a huge upgrade ilvl wise.

[solemn magnet]

shield

[tepid coral]

is sbg% different this week?

[bold turret]

No don’t think so

My route was fine

[tepid coral]

missed 1 count with the route i normally always do

[bold turret]

Did you get the patrol after 2nd boss?

[tepid coral]

yea

went right path and pulled her in

the route i did is 102% on mdt,idk, maybe some guy got eaten by a mob or something :D

[oak echo]

Did you pull the first set of tiny spiders down the hole or kill them up top?

They can evade bug and reset instead of coming with

[sick sentinel]

what could we potentially drop to get disrupting shout or simply never worth it, im thinking for sanguine

[tepid coral]

we killed them upstairs

[oak echo]

Ah

[tepid coral]

second ones with the pack after

[cold zealot]

Grieftorch or tier?
I am at 2/4 and grieftorch will 100% go to dps first.

[limpid anchor]

Boon :>

[jagged pier]

i would take grieftorch

but thats me

[blazing condor]

yeah grieftorch looks good

[cold zealot]

grieftorch feels like griefing my raid bc tokens and stuff :/

[sick sentinel]

saw some priest in LFR last night bragging about he had over 200k mana look at my mana and then some mana gloves dropped he wants them, gets them, says now give me set gloves, he wins set glove too

guy is a gigachad

[cold zealot]

its 1.6k dps increase in st

[dull parrot]

whats with prot warrior secondary stats

im seeing so many go haste others going crit and mastery

[sick sentinel]

haste then your preference, wide debate about crit mastery versa

[ionic roost]

There is also an absolute boat load of haste crit items compared to the others

[dull parrot]

yeah im seeing prot warriors even use puzzle box

[tired pivot]

not sure if you got your answer, but it comes down to getting dispelled

[sick sentinel]

as per always, if you want to get the good haste versa gear, you gotta go into the raids

[tired pivot]

by a druid/monk or what ever other class can dispel poison

high stacks of the little adds dot will absolutely destroy you

so something like 35 stacks has to be dispelled

[coral pasture]

What embelishments would you guys go for?

[tired pivot]

I have lariat and wrists

I only do m+ tho

[echo scarab]

Hey guys, may i ask for input on what to do with the third spark?
Mainly doing m+. My current wrists are the m+ BiS with Socket, so im not too sure about going wrists.

[coral pasture]

I was thinking lariat aswell, but not sure about wrists vs head

Im thinking the legs are good for m+ though no?

[tired pivot]

legs are not good

[coral pasture]

Realy?

How come?

[tired pivot]

"Frostfire Legguards of Preparation" are bait, you only get the benefit of ~8-10% haste for 10seconds on pull in m+. Useless outside of fresh pulls, cant recommend.

from pin

[coral pasture]

Ahh makes sense

I hadnt seen that post had been updated, my bad

[tired pivot]

np

wrists are my choice since the vers is better than head

worse dps increase but better tanky stats

[echo scarab]

What about the shields?

[coral pasture]

Yea that was my though aswell

Also since i have tier head as my only tierpiece

since dps are getting prio inb my guild

[mighty ferry]

what is better crafting the pvp helmet on 418 or a 418 piece with the armor spikes embellishment?

[tired pivot]

I created the shield for myself week one

not embelish one

the primal

[echo scarab]

Did you regret it?

[tired pivot]

heart is a trap as well

not at all

still using it

[echo scarab]

im leaning towards, lariat, primal sword and now primal shield

[tired pivot]

the only way to upgrade that shield is from 20 vault or high mythic bosses

[coral pasture]

Did you mean the allied wristguard of companionship?

[tired pivot]

yes

those

[coral pasture]

cool

Ill probably wait till i have 3 more concentrates foci

[echo scarab]

i think i may should not have went for the primal longsword

[echo scarab]

true, thats a good deal

i think shield it is for me, my wrists are too good to drop

[tired pivot]

shield is very solid

[rancid python]

About to craft shield with Lariat and weapon as well, other options don't seem too exciting

Should be a massive upgrade from 402

[echo scarab]

what do we think about the other shield that gives versa

it has shit stats for prot tho

[jagged pier]

that shield is garbage

[echo scarab]

🫡

[craggy pilot]

jeez, so i check vault, and it has 415 boots, then i do 4 dungeons for M+ quest, where i get 2 pairs of boots....

thinking the boots 🤔

[echo scarab]

Legs are 23 ilv upgrade though

[brisk gust]

Can you get set item from the 4 dungeon event?

[quartz pond]

No

[brisk gust]

You positive?

[solemn magnet]

Ya

[quartz pond]

Yes

[echo scarab]

Sadly

[brittle owl]

@strong forum
Why are some DPS so dumb and boss like? Like the first boss in court stood in a Enemy group what does the warrior say "Dude pull" i did, and oh quess what, the whole group joined and we wiped. The dps talks smth about "Dude up up" wtf do you want me with up xD They made such dumb and braindead calls and their DPS was even worse. ugh i hate it

[reef holly]

You set the pace- dps wish they were gigachads like us

[brittle owl]

[subtle owl]

Heya. I am struggling for choosing my trinkets.

I have Blazebinder's hoof 392
Primal ritual shell 372
Burgeoning seed 392
Decoration of Flame 402

[brittle owl]

[onyx cedar]

Hi guys, i am looking to craft a shield. What is the best embelishment on it?

[fallow osprey]

Why are you pinging people working a 39k player discord with your rants

[brittle owl]

i see you're new here

[heavy temple]

I simmed myself: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kXVdR46c5rTbRGpTQ5vGir I guess the 418 ring with socket is the easy choice

[tulip harness]

Do we know how high the ilevel of the rewards of events like the grand hunt and dragonbane keep etc scale?

[placid oar]

Hi guys, a returning player here that only plays warrior.

Should I always pick tier regardless of ilvl if I have no tier pieces? Would appreciate a guideline as I don’t raid and only pug M+ due to work and real life. Thank u

[gritty glen]

Highest I've personally received is 392, but I don't know if that's the max

[tulip harness]

Do you know what ilevel you were when that happened?

[gritty glen]

I think around 380-385

[mellow quartz]

If you have a choice of say 421 and 392 then pick 421 and you can make it tier with the catalyst in 3 weeks.

[placid oar]

Is that a new system that I would require some currency?

[tulip harness]

I see. I'm 378 and just keep getting 372 and 376 pieces, maybe it makes a jump if I hit 380 I guess

[hazy sluice]

Opening the weekly quest raid chest as fury or prot?

[mellow quartz]

If you need a shield then prot

[strong forum]

did you know that the spermwhale cant cum

[gritty glen]

I think in the case of the 392, the item also had the random ilvl "upgrade" that can happen from quest rewards.

[azure light]

what we taking boys?

[brittle owl]

fake news

source: i made one cum

[mellow quartz]

Do you mythic raid?

[azure light]

no

[tulip harness]

Yeah okay, I see. Just unsure if I should just do em all or wait til I pass 380. Thanks for your response tho, appreciate it

[mellow quartz]

If never then pick m+ 411 weapon as you can upgrade it with valor to 415

[shut nova]

is there a sweet spot i should stop stacking haste?

[strong forum]

35-40 before buffs

[echo scarab]

So going above 30% is fine? Thought we'd hit deminishing returns after 30

[strong forum]

yes its fine

its only 10% tax

[thick mauve]

which one of these should we craft first ?

[mellow quartz]

Just because you hit a 10% DR does not mean it’s still not the best at 90% value

[vale mauve]

hey guys how important is the 2pc bonus for m+ ?

[mellow quartz]

Which is your lowest current ilvl?

[strong forum]

about 3% imporant

[thick mauve]

Shield

[placid oar]

Would that mean we can play into the fray once we hit that stat %, Nomeratur? Or does it depend on other factors?

[mellow quartz]

Then craft that

[strong forum]

ye above 35% haste ITF becomes really good

so ~47% with ITF

[thick mauve]

Oh thank you , i was afraid of missing the bonus effect

[mellow quartz]

I found ITF to be a trap at 30% ish last week

Several boss fights SB dropped

[sick sentinel]

What haste percentage feels really good

[plush tendon]

Is that the ItF Bolster alternate build?

[strong forum]

without bolster needed iirc

[tame jasper]

I know ilvl ist best stat when comparing two items with same number of secondary stats. is this true if the lower one has a third one? got two gloves: 398 and 402 boith with crit/haste, but the 398 also has avoidance on it

[plush tendon]

or the general build with just ITF instead?

[placid oar]

Oh wow I see, thank u very much. Cos I was playing ard with talents. Appreciate it

[violet shale]

Yo, my prot zug zug players, is the one handed 'strike twice' weapon any good?

Just dropped it but i have 418 crafter haste/vers

[mellow quartz]

X for doubt. Do not think that is sufficient.

[plush tendon]

prob a sim, but I think its pretty good; kind of depends on what else you can choose from thouh

[humble ferry]

The proc is less than 1% dmg increase

So not really

[plush tendon]

since you got a crafted piece

yea, but its a free 1%

[mellow quartz]

Strike twice is less than 1%

[plush tendon]

those be some gains

[mellow quartz]

It’s like 200 dps

[placid oar]

Thank u too Alyrion. I’ll check wowhead for the tier crafting system, never played with it before.

[mellow quartz]

Something stupid low

[sick sentinel]

if you have a 405 item and you remove embelishments, you still keep the item 405?

[violet shale]

Nice, thanks for answer will check sim but overall looks like shit wep

[plush tendon]

you have to recraft and pray

[thick mauve]

Why don't i find this one on the recommended shield crafts?

[sick sentinel]

rip

[plush tendon]

luckily, you gain recipe difficulty back

so its not too bad

[mellow quartz]

Uses an embellishment. You can do it but doesn’t matter much.

[sick sentinel]

so its like my goal.
Chad Shield Maker for blacksmith. Recraft r5 shield w/ no embelishments and get neck (lariat)

[plush tendon]

I went with the frostfire belt

and lariat

[mellow quartz]

Most people prefer some of the others (than shield) but it’s not that important.

[plush tendon]

and had to recraft my sword

only took two rerolls though

[azure light]

Which tierset pieces should you pick if you can pick?

[sick sentinel]

1handed/shield are my slots on embelishments now.
Spikes and damage on one hand

Might recraft shield since im blacksmithing for shield stuff

[mellow quartz]

Highest ilvl

[thick mauve]

I already have lariat as the only embelissement i have currently

[azure light]

ofc, but if i get every piece from heroic, which piece do i not equip?

[thick mauve]

i may craft this one after all

[solemn island]

Hey i have most gear ~400 (shield and MH from hc raid) my lowest piece atm is a 382 feet.Should i just go for it and craft lowest ilvl (feet in this case) or it there something i am missing and i should go for MH/shield ? (still got 1 slot of embelishement)

[sick sentinel]

What are the best crafted items

[subtle owl]

Heya. I am struggling for choosing my trinkets.

I have Blazebinder's hoof 392
Primal ritual shell 372
Burgeoning seed 392
Decoration of Flame 402

I dont realy want 2 on use trinket ... Runnin mostly m+.

any advices?

[strong forum]

blazeboinder + flame

[mellow quartz]

Ones with haste, probably chest first given it’s a big stat budget

If chest has haste, don’t recall

[mellow quartz]

So you already have 4 pc?

[azure light]

yea

[mellow quartz]

Go for m+ pieces then as you can upgrade them to 415

[sick sentinel]

Lucky af

[mellow quartz]

Then catalyze it later

[azure light]

did u do all the tier bosses? 😛

[sick sentinel]

Not this week

[bold thunder]

DOing LFR, full clears of normal, and 3 bosses in heroic, my guild has only seen 2 pieces of warrior tier token drop since week 1 of raid, and we have 8 people on that token out of a 14 person raid XD... tier is gonna be fun for me 😦

[plush tendon]

We are in ML now for tier

[desert lodge]

Time for a new guild lol

[plush tendon]

I believe tanks are..... last XD

[slim dove]

youll get tier from catalyst in a few weeks

[plush tendon]

granted 2 piece is the real gain

[slim dove]

dont sweat it

[plush tendon]

4 piece is meh

[azure light]

XD

[plush tendon]

this week is all about keys and killing Razzy heroic

[harsh prairie]

good or shit?

[sick sentinel]

good for m+

cuz, you get parry through crit stat and you are facing tons of mobs in m+

[mint swallow]

I got it yesterday and did a couple keys. It accounted for ~4% of my damage in addition to the secondaries it provides. It also provides some healing but I think it was kind of negligible.

[echo scarab]

My Vault is giga garbage. Only the boots might be an option but i drop 300 haste for a 13il upgrade. is that good enough?

[strong forum]

oof

[echo scarab]

ikr

vault scammed me good this week

[tall cedar]

DUDE IM SO UNLUCKY

i got this neck from quest ...

[strong forum]

yeah i also got neck from quest

[sick sentinel]

better weapon

not by alot but

[desert lodge]

What quest gave you a 408 lol

[tall cedar]

But sucks

already have lariat ...

vault also trolled me so hard

[strong forum]

weekly dungeon quest

[autumn urchin]

4 mythic dungeons for the week

[indigo glacier]

What gems you putting in your Lariats?

[cedar lintel]

hey guys, wrist and neck the 2 best option to craft right now ?

[brisk gust]

Weap/Shield/Neck

[cedar lintel]

weapon with no embelishment ?

[sick sentinel]

oh, i can do master hammers for shields

but, my current shield is indestructible so

[hardy hamlet]

yo I need some opinions please 🙂

This is my current gear. I have a third spark and still missing an embellishment. My only focus is M+. Do I go 405 Weapon or 405 Frostfire belt/405 Greatbelt with Armor spikes?

[royal coral]

Frostfire is to proc raid rings pretty sure

[tired pivot]

it is good on it's own as well

although I chose wrists over it

[sick sentinel]

nome not technically wrong about the waygate unlocks

its a quest you do after you get the rep lol

[vale mauve]

do i always go for 2pc set or ilvl gain ? ( 20+)

[torpid junco]

thoughts on pick? im 393 ilvl

[mellow quartz]

Is the tier piece raid or upgradable from m+?

If raid then it depends if you look long term or short term.

[vale mauve]

its in my current vault, i can go for 2pc set but i dont know if its important for only m+

[mellow quartz]

If in the vault and you are only focused on m+ then I would assume it comes from m+ so you can upgrade it with valor

[spice cobalt]

Let me know if you guys can take my alt to mythic m0 to get the weekly quest. I’ll do the same favor for your alts 🤙🏽

Playing later morning/afternoon korean/japan time

[wary flax]

hey what is better for my Tank ... in my vault is Ruby Whelp Shell GS408
My trinkets are
389 Decoration of Flame
382 Blazebinder's Hoof

what would choose you

[hardy hamlet]

Damn I just noticed Frostfire belt requires engineering

or is there a workaround?

[fiery kiln]

it doesn't

[pulsar marsh]

how good is our 4-set Bonus? is it worth to take it instad of a weapon that has 15 ilvl upgrade?

[tired pivot]

shell is not viable

one of the worst trinkets

[hardy hamlet]

says it requires frosty soul and fiery soul which are created by engineers. Am I missing something?

[tired pivot]

keep your low ilvl ones

[tired pivot]

you can get those with an engi item that does not require you to have engi

[fiery kiln]

https://gyazo.com/4465064af212ed8b4121578a59abd994 use this buy it on AH

[hardy hamlet]

ty ty you are the men

[solar blade]

just get the mats and do an order, no profession needed

[analog ember]

Hello handsomes ! Can someone could advice me what are the best embellishment if i only m+ ?!

[solar blade]

lariat + X id say

[vast heron]

hello, i just dropped the raid ring with fire proc, is crafting belt my priority over weapon ?

[cold oracle]

hey, I have both windscar whetstone and storm eater's boon right now, is there one that's prio to use under my cd when opening on a pack or does it not matter? Not sure if boon scales with avatar or anything

[analog ember]

Does lariat count as an embellishment ?

[solar blade]

yes it does if i remember right

[analog ember]

Oh i did not know, then prolly lariat + weapon i guess

[fiery kiln]

not 100% sure on this but i don't think trinkets scales with external dmg amps

[silk cliff]

they dont

trinkets are base dmg

[analog ember]

Ty @solar blade

[solar blade]

@cold oracle i know storm eater is a good trinket and better then whetstone; avatar does not affect trinkets, dunno about demo shout tho

[neon blaze]

LF EU BS to craft Primal Molten Defender q4 🙂

[silk cliff]

nothing affects trinkets

[solar blade]

so there is our answer

[cold oracle]

alright, thanks

[silk cliff]

havent since legion

and there is good reason for it

such as DoS for fury

[analog ember]

Is alchemist trinket good ?

[vale mauve]

How is the Priorization for the Spark? I can have weap/shield/lariat

[sick sentinel]

when using spell block, i have to use shield block to get my block to 100% ? or no and also, i have to face what im blocking (spell) i think too?

[somber shell]

tree boss in AA seems harder this week than last due to fort

[oak echo]

yep, works like normal block in every way

[lone eagle]

I know for monk WoO did for Shadowlands

[oak echo]

i was low key thinking this too...the tree add dies too fast lol

[somber shell]

just failed a 14 and a 13

group was doing good dps IDK

[oak echo]

it's nice if you have a lock, but kinda bad if you don't

or i guess dk to grip it out maybe

[lone eagle]

Demo might as well due to it being a debuff on targets as well as opposed to a self buff

[lusty tiger]

camping the news channel

waiting for a pwar nerf

[oak echo]

why are they getting nerfed this time

[lusty tiger]

too fun and rad

[sick sentinel]

attempting to get used to using spell block, feels strange

mostly just seeing what i think it works on and try to see if it does or doesnt

[oak echo]

might be overkill but i've just kinda gotten used to having it all the time now and it's a nice extra button to slam when there's casters in case dps are being monkeys with kicks

[north comet]

guys check this out, last boiss on nokhud offensive, that spell reflect is massive

[oak echo]

that and raging tempest are very fun SR bosses lol

[north comet]

overal SR on nokhud is my 4th dmg, 5.8 mln

42 k overal dps

[chilly escarp]

anyone have any idea how many ilv the cobalt ring effect is worth?

[mellow quartz]

Probably all of them

[chilly brook]

Yes, welcome to prot warrior

It’s not like we weren’t doing that in SL and BFA before that

[sick sentinel]

this

[tall cedar]

guys i got crafted weapon/shield/neck so i cant upgrade them with valor , should i upgrade ring or trinket

need some opinion

or just wait more

[mild jolt]

Maybe stupid. But what would you choose ( Not planning on Invest valor now)

[slim dove]

ring is bis, trinket is not. would still not upgrade either yet.

[rotund thicket]

what should i craft with my 3rd spark? was thinking about bracers for rezz

[tall cedar]

i got this trinket also

i have pretty much all trinkets

except 1raid trinket

[ionic roost]

D Stance does lower their damage tho

[slim dove]

ideal world you have grieftorch + whispering incarnate.

[chilly brook]

Well

You see

The only thing that matters on a shield is ilvl

[agile galleon]

So I’ve been going through logs and can’t figure out why my SS dps is so low- I’m getting good usage out of it with good uptime on SB and Avatar, but I’ll be at like 5.5k dps when other logs are at 10k+

[silk cliff]

prolly cus its a aura buff idk

[agile galleon]

Same with autos and devastate. Am I missing something here or is my weapon just that bad

[chilly brook]

No idea without looking at logs

But usually if there’s a large disparity in dps on abilities it comes down to press the buttons more

[chilly brook]

Logs of this?

[autumn urchin]

are you timing outburst procs

[ionic roost]

ill go fine a dummy for you

[agile galleon]

Yeah I’m using it on SS just about every time

[chilly brook]

Trinkets should not be impacted by anything of your class or spec

[fallen pulsar]

What weapon are you using/whats your overall ilvl

[agile galleon]

I’m 397 my weapon is just a 398 dungeon drop

[fallen pulsar]

Then idk, we’d need logs

[autumn urchin]

#449510248579858432

[agile galleon]

I have logs I’ve been going through them for a while trying to figure it out but I’ve just swapped to tanking since raid needed it so I figured I was missing something core

[chilly brook]

Post logs here rn

[silk cliff]

you want help? Post logs

[fallen pulsar]

Also your overall dps is 5.5k?

Or just shield slam

Because that sounds wildly low

[agile galleon]

shield slam dps- i posted it in logs review

well it's 6.3k on that pull i posted, but even that is really low

[ionic roost]

No D-Stance
https://i.imgur.com/gfaRjMU.png

D-Stance
https://i.imgur.com/50AbTpV.png

[radiant fulcrum]

not really sure what to go for here, stuck between tier and whetstone

[ionic roost]

@chilly brook

[silk cliff]

crits...

[ionic roost]

look at normal hits

mins/maxes

[silk cliff]

Just a thing, If you're serious with comparing SS dmg to top logs why arent u using flasks etc

[sonic eagle]

What enchant are you guys using on youre weapon? i'm only playing mythic + 🙂

[slim dove]

trinkets

[fallen pulsar]

Your number of casts feels low

Better parses have like double the shield slam casts

[brisk gust]

How much would u say is reasonable for 418 weapon craft?

[chilly brook]

Isn’t there variance on trinkets?

[slim dove]

grieftorch is absurd and iirc incarnate is the best passive trinket.

[fallen pulsar]

You might either be unlucky with procs or not prioritizing shield slam enough

[neon elk]

Depends enterily on your realm economics, but i wouldnt go above 30-40k , even less if its recraft

[chilly brook]

If it was indeed defensive stance then it’s doing far more than it should

[brisk gust]

@neon elk Doesn't everyone need to recraft to 100% guarantee it? got a guy 40k and 100% guarantee recraft

[slim dove]

keys, st damage, raid. best combo if you dont need a trinket to help you live.

[silk cliff]

nah

[neon elk]

Recraft i meant like, u have already 405 or something, or u gona craft 418 from scratch

[slim dove]

all totem is pretty meh and boon is practically unusable in some keys.

[sonic eagle]

What enchant are you guys using on youre weapon? i'm only playing mythic + 🙂 any ideas?

[silk cliff]

its hoof + grief/eranog one

[ionic roost]

its probably both a bit of the 5% variance plus the 10% reduction from D stance

[brisk gust]

@neon elk I haven't crafted one yet, gonna do insta to 418, he told me to get 8 Rank 3 primal alloy rest r2 mats + 40k fee

that's like 80k for 418 weap

sounds expensive no?

[ionic roost]

40k fee?

its like 5k on my server

[brisk gust]

ye 40k fee and the r3+r2 mats is like 40k

[ionic roost]

we love undercutters

[neon elk]

Ye 40k is a lot

[craggy pilot]

anyone have a big brain tactic for the last boss COS?

[somber shell]

stack and ahve one ranged bait the swirlie

dodge mechanics

[neon elk]

People on my realm are still trying to sell lariat for 90-100k comisions, i got it for 15 .

Just try to negotiate or look for someone else

[craggy pilot]

do you dodge it in a particular way?

[chilly brook]

I got my lariat for no commission

[ionic roost]

Lariats are free on my server

[craggy pilot]

felt like we got mirros all over the place

[chilly brook]

But I tipped 20k

[ionic roost]

[somber shell]

two things, (1) dodge the lines on the ground (particle density higher helps), (2) dont stand next to the mirror images during the aoe hit, they all pulse dmg

[ionic roost]

Crafted mine for no charge yesterday, meanwhile my entire guild spent like 200k each on commissions last tuesday

[craggy pilot]

how big is the mirror images AOE dropoff?

they were cleaning us off on a +16

even when standing outside the visual

[neon elk]

Have 2 rangeds, or at least one that not heal in case u have paly . He can bait swirles that spawn images, spawn them all on top of each other, and just nuke boss down

[somber shell]

I dont know exactly but 8 yards?

[craggy pilot]

it did huge dmg even though we were away from the mirrors

[somber shell]

the aoe hit does pump

[neon elk]

I just did 18 in pug, and we killed that mofo from 8m duo, with rogue. Overtime tho ..

[somber shell]

use rallying cry of one of them

[craggy pilot]

yea i guess you do like 2 mirrors on the side, and then let the boss swirl, and then rotate

[slim dove]

they are my takes

thank you

[craggy pilot]

kinda like this?

[somber shell]

any thoughts on if I should drop the turtle shell?

[chilly brook]

Sim it or something

[brisk gust]

This crafter is telling me i need 8x R3 + 8x R2 For the 418 weap

Sounds legit?

[dense temple]

no reason for it not to be

just put a minimum quality on the order

[somber shell]

i mean it sims higher than the defensive 370ish shell..

[chilly brook]

He doesn’t get anything extra for telling you to get higher quality mats

[chilly brook]

Then you have your answer

[somber shell]

probably right.. I hate giving up defense 🙂

[chilly brook]

Why

You’re practically immortal

[somber shell]

😂

[chilly brook]

Taking the stance of “I should be more tanky” is always weird

[chilly brook]

Even in SL s1 we built damage unless it was absolutely necessary for extra survival

[somber shell]

I could also drop the cobalt ring

[wintry jetty]

feed upon my despair 😭

[somber shell]

ugh

[tender quartz]

Why does the 418 crafted Hammer cost less Mats than the Axe

Stats are the same on Baselevel Description in Workorders

[somber shell]

ring sims higher

[tender quartz]

Just Blizzard being Blizzard, no difference?

[wintry jetty]

one is learnt, the other is dropped so it needs another alloy

[tender quartz]

But stat-wise the same so I'm fine with Hammer?

[wintry jetty]

y

[tender quartz]

thank you

[autumn urchin]

@agile galleon I didnt go too deep but I saw you missed 3 or 4 outbursts with thunderclap instead of SS

also your opener lookin scuffed

you charge clapped then avatar ss without shield block up

u should ava mid charge and sb before ss

[cloud tide]

battle sacred veteran or bloodsurge?

talent

[somber shell]

how do you get the spark this week? I don't see a campaign quest..

[blazing condor]

same as always

you go to the forge thing

pick up the quest there and then do it

[rough solar]

418 haste/mastery vs 408 tier chest that gives me 2 set. Tier worth 10 ilvl's?

[blazing condor]

it may be hidden by the book on the minimap

but its there

[limber galleon]

hey prots! which shield do we craft? Primal Molten or Hearth?

[chilly brook]

@blazing condor is it time for me to stop masquerading as a monk and return to being a brown boi?

[blazing condor]

hell yeah

it actually feels good

frankly im sad you ever left

[strong forum]

Tier is worth 10ilvl absolutely

Or well, 2pc

[rotund thicket]

@strong forum what would you craft as 3rd Spark item?

[chilly brook]

I’m always here, best class discord

[strong forum]

Belt

[rough solar]

Thank you

[strong forum]

Belt or bracers

Up to you

[somber shell]

this crafting system is so confusing

shouldI just look to craft the best ilvl upgrade I can?

[chilly brook]

It’s honestly not that confusing

[brisk gust]

Elemental Lariat + Frostfire belt count as Embellisment?

[strong forum]

Yes

[chilly brook]

Any of the embellishments are fairly close so basically yes, you’d probably just craft high ilvl in places where you’re lacking

Outside of the 2 embellishments

[sly plume]

Couldn't find it in guide, do we want 100% uptime on 4 set buff or do we just play as normal

[chilly brook]

Play as normal

[strong forum]

Play as normal

[sly plume]

Ty

[somber shell]

For eample my weapon is currently my worst item, even though fangs is probably not as strong as elemental lariat or frostfire belt, I'm not crazy to craft a weapon with fangs embellishment?

[strong forum]

Or just don't craft fangs on it?

[woven trellis]

can i use storm eater boon as prot warrior or its just too dangerous

[strong forum]

And then craft belt later?

Without fucking over your embellishment count

[chilly brook]

^

[somber shell]

alright

sigh

I used my first two sparks on engineering craftt

not really smart in retrospect

[chilly brook]

Well you could always level a new warrior

[somber shell]

lol

[chilly brook]