protection

[teal axle]

can someone link me their raid talents

[somber shell]

also have this option

[warm plinth]

so much haste 😮

[somber shell]

seems like I should go with the neck

[warm plinth]

but lariat pepehands

[somber shell]

the other option I hav is Gift of Radiance trinket, which seems kinda niche single target dps

[warm plinth]

yeah gift sucks ass

[muted wyvern]

Is there a number of mobs for revenge to be better than whirlwind?

[warm plinth]

You literally never press whirlwind

Take it off your bar

[muted wyvern]

oh dope ty

[warm plinth]

You can remove slam and rend too, if you have them

(not shield slam, regular slam)

[muted wyvern]

i figured slam and rend just comes from thunder righT?

[warm plinth]

Yep

[west yew]

revenge and ip are your rage dumps if you're not in execute

and revenge is better in multitarget in execute sometimes anyway lmao

[muted wyvern]

ok cool thanks guys

[warm plinth]

Only time you press whirlwind is when you change to fury spec to solo old dungeons so you can whirlwind spam everything to death

[weary python]

When there's no good crafters for what you're looking for in trade chat. feelsbad

[warm plinth]

Slackers man, I'm telling you

[west yew]

that was me trying to get the allied wrists

some dude told me he was gonna buy them last tuesday and then sent me a mail when he bought the recipe and crafted them for me 😭

[weary python]

There's some dude that can make quality 2 frost fire belt. It's like uhhhh no thx.

[warm plinth]

what a nice boi

[west yew]

frostfire belt and wrists seem like the best embellishes right?

i heard people earlier saying lariat wasn't that crazy

[warm plinth]

No no

Lariat is great

[west yew]

i made a regular degular molten belt with my first spark like an idiot

trying to decide what to use my 3rd on

[left cave]

Should i use my 3rd spark on shield? I have weapon and lariot

[west yew]

might just do shield

[warm plinth]

The point being made earlier (by me) was that people are prioritizing lariat over bigger upgrades like weapons and shields

And it's good but it's not weapon and shield good

[west yew]

that's fair

[left cave]

can emblishment be added to shireld?

[warm plinth]

It's still the best embellishment and you should definitely make one (eventually)

Yeah you can get armor spikes

[west yew]

good weapon and shield will help you push m+ earlier but lariat seems like it will be bis for the whole patch no?

[warm plinth]

which is a decent embellishment

[left cave]

funy enough

[warm plinth]

Yes lariat will be the best necklace you can get

[west yew]

i like crafting pieces that i know im not gonna replace the whole xpac

[warm plinth]

Even if you mythic raid

[west yew]

patch*

[left cave]

on murlock io not one warrior using the crafted shield lol

[warm plinth]

You can make weapon/shield/lariat right now though

We get 3rd spark this week

[left cave]

but maybe its because forst 2 spark was used on lariot and weapon

[west yew]

i got a 389 weapon from raid

[warm plinth]

What in the shit is murlock io

[left cave]

haha

[loud patrol]

prob lariat will be good for the whole xpac

[west yew]

shield is 385 rn

but i have wrathion neck

[left cave]

https://murlok.io/warrior/protection/mm+

[west yew]

dunno whether to craft shield or lariat

[real thunder]

Does Avatar and DemoShout affect DragonsRoar?

[left cave]

lariot better than wrathion neck

[loud patrol]

if they keep introducing ilvl upgrades

[left cave]

999% better

[west yew]

i know

[warm plinth]

Yes

[west yew]

but is lariat better than higher ilvl shield

[warm plinth]

No

[left cave]

oh yeha u killed a spark on accident

yeah*

[west yew]

yea

[left cave]

i still have one and lariot and weapon done

[west yew]

im dumb

[warm plinth]

Lariat is the best embellishment and the best necklace you will get. But a weapon and shield are both still better upgrades

[left cave]

top 50 warriors in m+ right now

where that crafted shield :>

[warm plinth]

I think people just get too honed in on the embellishment and bis combination being thrown around that they mistake bis embellishment or bis neck for bis item that should crafted first

should be*

[left cave]

weaponm and neck were pripo voer shield right?

over*

[west yew]

i dont really care if it's meta or not i just like crafting items that i know im not gonna replace for the whole patch

feels good

[left cave]

prety much just follow that?

[warm plinth]

Sword/shield over lariat

[west yew]

everyone has been saying helm of vengeance is good

but you're gonna wear tier helmet eventually anyway

[loud patrol]

its pretty meh

[left cave]

cool, case closed shield it is for me cause i have the other 2 already

lariot and weapon

[loud patrol]

i dont want the sword i want the mace :c

[left cave]

what mace?

[warm plinth]

Also the shield they're wearing is from the first boss of the raid, so they probably didn't make one because they got that one from raid

Sword, mace, makes no difference

Make whichever one you want

[left cave]

ah ok!

thank god lmao

[loud patrol]

yeah the coolest for u

[left cave]

i was like NO

i was careful with my sparks lmao

i got scared

[loud patrol]

i used 1 spark on the helm

replaced it in 3 runs

[slate perch]

i have sword and shield should i make lariet or helm?

[loud patrol]

make lariat

[left cave]

so spikes best emblish?

for shield

[warm plinth]

Yeah

It's ~1% dps

[west yew]

you can remove embellishes with recraft right

[slim dove]

fang better tbh

[loud patrol]

are the swords embelishments not good?

[slim dove]

mine is 1-2% per key

i figure spikes does dick all if your not tanking soo

[loud patrol]

yeah i like my food buff

[warm plinth]

As long as it's not an item that comes with an embellishment, like shield of the hearth, frostfire belt, etc.

Food buff doesn't actually count as an embellishment for the unique-equipped thing

So you can have it in addition to two other embellishments

[left cave]

fang better than spikes

?

[slim dove]

i think so.

spikes doesnt do anything if your not being attacked.

[left cave]

i ahve fang on sword already

well if im doing m+ lol?

ill be getting beat up

[slim dove]

thennnn its prob 1-2% same as everything else

[loud patrol]

yeah i think fang is the way

[left cave]

so fang on both shield and weapon?

heck

[slim dove]

fang is weapon only.

i think

[loud patrol]

ye

[left cave]

off hand?

[loud patrol]

fun fact shield is not an offhand

[left cave]

LOL

[loud patrol]

shield is counted as armor

[left cave]

then ill pur armor spikes on shield

[loud patrol]

you shouldnt

since you want lariat ar your 2nd embelishment

[autumn kelp]

anyone know the best crafted items for woyer?

[loud patrol]

pins

[craggy pilot]

shield 100%

[autumn kelp]

ty

why do you say that?

[craggy pilot]

shield then wep then whatever you want

[left cave]

heck is a woyer

[loud patrol]

idk

i play zugzug

[left cave]

oh lol

[warm plinth]

All off-hands are counted as armor; they're even in the armor category on the AH 😉

[loud patrol]

wot

huh

[warm plinth]

There are no off-hand weapons anymore. The only off-hands are shields and actual off-hands (like what casters/healers use)

So they're all in armor

[loud patrol]

i want my shield to breath fire again :c

[warm plinth]

RIP Nelth's Fury

That was the OG fuck up the shield during ragnarok spell

[loud patrol]

lol

[left cave]

haste/vers on shield?

[craggy pilot]

haste + whatever

just as long as its not mastery

[left cave]

haha

ill do vers

can i change the stats later?

[craggy pilot]

yes

[left cave]

easy

[fair stump]

Ive got lariat + primal long sword, im not sure what to get with my third spark.. im thinking frostfire belt or a shield

[craggy pilot]

depends on what ilvl shield u have tbh

[fair stump]

ive got a 372 atm

[craggy pilot]

huge shield angle

[warm plinth]

shield for sure

[craggy pilot]

shield before lariat even 😄

but too late now

[grizzled zenith]

Dear my Prot-Friends,
I think about getting a item with the spar of ingenuity but I dont know which. I didnt find any craftable item in the BiS lists so I would just go for the lowest slot or do you have any suggestion?
My target will be not raiding mythic, it will be just some casual m+ action.

thanks in advice 😄

[fair stump]

so go for the shield with my 3rd spark?

[craggy pilot]

yes

[left cave]

spike 2 vs 3 rank?

[craggy pilot]

depends on ur gear, but general idea is Shield -> wep -> whatever else

[craggy pilot]

?

[left cave]

emblish

rank 3 is pricey

[craggy pilot]

well only difference in rank is the difficulty it adds

so with higher rank, your crafter will have an easier time to max ilvl

[slate perch]

haste vers on lariat?

[mighty valley]

vers is fine, crit if you're cool

(stats don't matter that much, haste > vers/crit)

[hidden axle]

do i need R2 or R3 alloys for my frostfire belt boys?

[fair stump]

which sheild should i craft? molten defender or hearth one

[hidden axle]

R2 200g ea, R3 2.5k ea

[craggy pilot]

depends on how giga your crafter is

[craggy pilot]

molten

[mighty valley]

it just reduces the difficulty

[sly shadow]

is there a weakaura or an addon that will get rid of the RP boxes in dungeons? Shits driving me insane when im tanking

[hidden axle]

are alloys used in recraft

[craggy pilot]

yes

[hidden axle]

hmm

[serene locust]

Wheres the best source for M+ talents? just want to check im running the correct talents

[craggy pilot]

you can do Rank 2 just fine, but you will need to recraft it a few times to get the same skill as Rank 3

a bit complicated to explain

[slate perch]

what gems should got in mainstat haste or just haste?

[craggy pilot]

if youre doing Public Craft Order, go for Rank 3 mats, and Missive/Embellish etc

[craggy pilot]

[grizzled zenith]

Lariat maybe?

[craggy pilot]

the pin build is good, except change this

[craggy pilot]

Lariat or belt or wrist

doesnt rly matter i think

[grizzled zenith]

Okay

Ty

[craggy pilot]

you can get Lariat later on when you are maxed out on other slots

[grizzled zenith]

The type of weapon ist not important right?

[vale schooner]

I prefer Intervene over fear with the seasonal affix

[craggy pilot]

dont think so, a lot of raider.io people have sword, but i think its mainly a crafter thing, since its easier to specialize in Swords

[craggy pilot]

seasonal affix is usually something your DPS should do, not you

[proud dock]

do u sit in b stance even in raid unless u need to d.stance?

[craggy pilot]

yes

swap to D for big hits

then swap back

[vale schooner]

If I have negative affix I used to intervene a caster and charge back to pull

[craggy pilot]

depends on the spot tbh

could potentially aim a frontal into your caster

then he has to move anyway 🙂

[slate perch]

should i put haste gems in lariat or the main stat haste ones

[craggy pilot]

usually i let my DPS handle the thundering themself, so they can minmax the duration however they feel like

[grizzled zenith]

Okay.. So I will go for sword and shield.. After I have everything maxed out I will check regarding lariat or another item, right?

[craggy pilot]

something like that ye, or whenever you have a spare Spark (should be this week i think?)

but it also depends how lucky you been with early drops tbh

some people will say craft Lariat first, but in the end its up to you

[craggy pilot]

think you can only get 1 main stat gem, and then 2x split stats (they have higher stat budget than the pure haste ones)

[slate perch]

ok so haste vers

[grizzled zenith]

I have not done anything with the sparks till now and my ilevel is not that high (385). I want to push my equib a bit.
I don't know about lariat and the benefit for tanks. For dps it sounds huge but I'm not sure about tank. A simulation is also not that easy as tank xD

[left cave]

easy

[warm plinth]

YUUUUUGE

[left cave]

lmao not yet

[craggy pilot]

[left cave]

i need to get the infusos

infusioins

primal infusos

yep

[warm plinth]

Yeah, you got time for that though no worries

[left cave]

haha

[warm plinth]

You're doing great on that typing thing

[left cave]

hell yeah

[sand kettle]

so are we sophic gang or frozen devotion gang?

[left cave]

From now on primal infisos

[warm plinth]

sim it my friend

Nome says sophic takes over as you get more gear

[left cave]

infosos*

fuck am i high?

im done typing

[warm plinth]

inforioehasiojwjons

[left cave]

https://tenor.com/view/unstoppable-captain-marvel-gif-12551514

[craggy pilot]

infososionis

[left cave]

there u go

your fucking me

uc ant wear 2 emblish

wtfff

omg

im stupid

[mighty valley]

you can wear exactly 2

[warm plinth]

you can indeed wear 2

[craggy pilot]

he cant type or count 😄

[left cave]

i have 3..

fuckkk

[craggy pilot]

replace Armor Spikes with Flavor Pocket and ur gucci

[left cave]

whats that?

oh

[craggy pilot]

Well fed lasts through death

and 2x duration

[left cave]

oh shit

food?

ic an wear through me dying wtf

thats pog

[craggy pilot]

and it doesnt count as embellish

just get a hold on your crafter

[left cave]

wait..is spikes or fang more danage

[craggy pilot]

"yo melnarth, i fucked up"

[left cave]

damage

[warm plinth]

They're about the same

[left cave]

LOL

w t f

[craggy pilot]

sadge

maybe skip on it for now then 🤣

[spark cedar]

How do you even get that pocket thing?

[craggy pilot]

professions can make it

[spark cedar]

i bought it when it was 3k

[craggy pilot]

inscription i guess

[spark cedar]

which one?

aaah

[craggy pilot]

oh nvm, Alchemy

"Alchemical Flavor Pocket"

[spark cedar]

but i don't see it

on alchemy profession even under unlearned

so its weird

[sand kettle]

how do i take less damage on 2nd boss ruby life pools

sometimes i get 4 stacks, sometimes i get 2, why?

[spark cedar]

spam ignore pain like a mad man

[weary python]

Guy on my server wants 75k for a 405 unstable frostfire belt. lel

[craggy pilot]

lol

go check the recipe price on AH

[weary python]

45k

[craggy pilot]

ye so about 20k would be normal

[weary python]

Yeah. I craft 418 rings on my alt. I don't even charge 75k for those. 75k for a 405 that he clicks 3 buttons for is absurd. I told him to get lost.

[craggy pilot]

he did more than click 3 buttons for it, that take is kinda pepega

if all he did is click 3 buttons, then you can do it yourself easy right? 😄

[opaque vine]

I mean its supply and demand. If he gets the 75k instead of 20k and 1/3 of the people say yes, he is still ahead

He is not really losing out on anything its not like he probably needs to craft it for you

and yes, that price is really high and a little toolish, but at the end of the day

[weary python]

Like I said. I craft rings at 418 ilevel. I understand the crafting system and what it takes to get there. 75k is absurd for it. I have no issues with waiting a day until I don't interact with a scammozer

[spark cedar]

What would be the bis offensive trinkets for us, i got the kurog one i assume that is one of em?

[craggy pilot]

any raid trinket

[craggy pilot]

i would probably charge 20k for it, but then again my server might be different 🤷‍♂️

[south plume]

What would you grab between tier piece which give me my 2p and All totem of the master trinket Heroic from Vault, I play Fury in raid which i dont care for i want the best tank gear for M+

[weary python]

20k is fine. I'd probably even be fine with 30k. Ain't paying 75k for a 405 that he clicks 3 buttons for and I'm suppling 100% of the materials. Plain and simple.

[warm plinth]

I looked up weapon enchants last night. R3 sophic is 123k on my server. Total cost of mats was like 20k 😠

like I understand making money but come on

[weary python]

R3 enchants require inspiration proc to hit. Equipment can be recrafted until it lands.

[craggy pilot]

yea adding Crafting Orders, and then not putting shit like Phials, Enchants, Food and other stuff there is so dumb tbh

everything just gonna be overpriced as fk

[cinder storm]

Theres a guy on my server, he does it for whatever you pay him for a lariat, my friend gave him 100 she got R5, I gave 1000k I got R4, obviously he likes to help. Other people charge around 20k or more

[warm plinth]

1000k? o_o

[craggy pilot]

1000k? 🤔

[spark cedar]

What server xD

[cinder storm]

wait sorryt

1000

[warm plinth]

out here paying 1 million gold for a lariat

[craggy pilot]

1000g for lariat is kinda low tho 😄

[cinder storm]

haha my brain meant to type 1k

then also meant to type 1000

[craggy pilot]

but the market disappeared for Lariat as fast as it came

[cinder storm]

ended up typing 1000k

[craggy pilot]

im making slow money on the PvP gear still though

like a few 1000 here and there

[cinder storm]

What's a good place to learn about goldmaking? Or is selling runs the best way to do it still (never sold runs before)

[craggy pilot]

no clue

[timber nest]

on a scale of 1-garbage how bad is this

[craggy pilot]

goldmaking is kinda weird, all youtube videos are just trying to get views

[cinder storm]

Its not garbage

[warm plinth]

That is absolutely incredible.

[craggy pilot]

very good

[cinder storm]

One man's trash....

[warm plinth]

But if you don't want it, I will take it off your hands

[craggy pilot]

"oh no i got this handmedowntrinket"

[timber nest]

lol got it on an offspec roll

[craggy pilot]

[tepid coral]

my bad

[craggy pilot]

no worries, happens 🙂

[sick sentinel]

i dunno how it works but you can apparently spell block dots on lightning boss nokhud

thats just for that boss segment

im just trying out spell block see what its like

[uncut notch]

I’ve literally never used it

It’s super autistic of me but my existing load out and spec variance fits perfectly on my bars

Spell block is my bars +1 new button

And I hate that

[sick sentinel]

but you can block a spell now....

[uncut notch]

Meh

Tbf boys I’ve been doing 15/16s and I haven’t been the problem yet

Every other fucker dead constantly

[lusty narwhal]

hows the spitefull storm trinket?

[uncut notch]

So exhausting

[sick sentinel]

i got ruby egg shell, but its only a 0 trinket

so, at least i can get used to how that trinket works

[tulip egret]

From my Vault, Should I take Heroic Tier Set helmet at 411 or the TIer set gloves at 408 upgradeable two more times? I already have the chest and shoulders for tier

[warm plinth]

what dot

[craggy pilot]

take the 4 m+ quest first

[uncut notch]

I’ve been using the eranog trinket and the kickball trink

St dam and aoe dam

[cinder storm]

you dont get tier from that quest

[craggy pilot]

u sure?

[sick sentinel]

i put up spell block at random for im not sure

but it blocked 50 times in 20 seconds

maybe i touched the balls with it

[mighty valley]

wait, if the scale is 1-garbage, doesn't that mean that garbage is the best value

[uncut notch]

Do the balls do damage?

Never noticed it

[cinder storm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/870120820607971328/1057367638382231582/image.png

soaking the balls do dmg but its so small it feels unimportant

[warm plinth]

Sounds like you probably stood in the swirlies or something. That's blockable and not technically a DoT

swirlies, vortices, w/e you wanna call them

[crude notch]

soaking your balls is always important

wait we're not talking about the same thing

[warm plinth]

👀

[crude notch]

🏃

[cinder storm]

You are correct

[crude notch]

Ghash my little cutie pie. How was your vault?

[warm plinth]

I can't complain. Rogue got a 408 tier chest, war got that dragon games trinket, and mage got some boots that replaced like a 340 piece lol

[crude notch]

Nice

Yeah i full sent tier shoulders

[craggy pilot]

dragon games trinket is just another Macab sheet music trinket

fk that shit :<

[round vortex]

Yo friends! 2nd boss ruby life pools puts that giga bleed on the tank while the add is slapping. Any plan for dealing with that besides majors or have an evoker?

[earnest nymph]

did they finally fix BV?

[warm plinth]

I was kinda sadge because I actually had two tier pieces in my vault. I wanted to try to hack the game so I could take both

[earnest nymph]

looks like its working to me

[cinder storm]

Nome said yes

[earnest nymph]

excellent

[cinder storm]

My tier was not working first few keys, had to unequip

[warm plinth]

Yeah I hear you but I was using like 316 trinkets and it was like 398

[cinder storm]

I thought they'd fix that by now

[craggy pilot]

ah lul

[warm plinth]

that's a lot of str so I couldn't turn it down

[sick sentinel]

filled out everything but the 3k thing on this for some reason too

[strong forum]

I'm not sure with BrV anymore

It's bugged vs overworld mobs

Works vs dummy

[warm plinth]

Maybe it's fixed but not fixed? It's shroedinger's BrV

[strong forum]

I recall it working in m+ the other day

But I've also observed it not working today in keys, not certain

[craggy pilot]

im just using the talent no matter if its bugged or not

[strong forum]

It's so fucked

Yeah same

You lose IP quite often

[craggy pilot]

the other talent sounds kinda worse 😄

[strong forum]

So it still has alot of value

[craggy pilot]

a talent bugged, but still better than the competition

amazing

[earnest nymph]

it was working on world boss for me

[warm plinth]

Broken ass shit

[strong forum]

Ya idk what to believe

It's fucked

Bsv is also still bugged

But not as bugged

[earnest nymph]

bsv?

[strong forum]

The cheat

[craggy pilot]

battle scarred veteran

[earnest nymph]

oh the capstone

[warm plinth]

battle-scarred veteran

[earnest nymph]

ty

what is that bug?

[strong forum]

It's only a little bugged

It's procs too early

[warm plinth]

You're only a little bugged

gottem

[earnest nymph]

oof

[cinder storm]

ez

[strong forum]

But doesn't proc at 100% hp

But still too early

EU vault in 1hr15min boys

[warm plinth]

yuge grieftorch otw

[craggy pilot]

wait rly?

isnt EU vault at 9am?

[warm plinth]

:no:

[craggy pilot]

5hr15min?

hmm weird

it was in SL

[strong forum]

They made EU weekly reset happen at 5am

With 10.0.2 patch

[warm plinth]

It resets at 4 UTC

[strong forum]

Over a month ago

[warm plinth]

[craggy pilot]

oh damn

was about to go to bed 😄

[compact jackal]

Provided I start doing 16+ keys, I should skip upgrading Strike Twice right?

[strong forum]

Yeah

Valor is extremely limited

Don't use it willy nilly

[compact jackal]

I boosted a 392 ring to 405 because of the socket + bis, but I'm hesitant to burn my 2K on anything else.

392 blazebinder, 392 scorched bones, 392 strike twice

all feel too low for what they are

[warm plinth]

what rank is 392 :think:

[compact jackal]

6

[warm plinth]

good god

[compact jackal]

I took the ring from 6->10 because yeah

[weary python]

Cool got the belt crafted. Some dude was like tip what you want. Gave him 20k. Screw the guy charging 75k.

[compact jackal]

damn, I could've got 20K for it?

[onyx briar]

Is the Strike Twice weapon good for us?

[warm plinth]

Yeah, it's good vs a similar ilevel weapon

[onyx briar]

These are my vault options, trying to decide

I'm thinking chest for higher ilvl + haste/vers

[faint mural]

Does prot warrior want a primary stat gem at all?

[rain edge]

barbaric training for m+, ye or nay?

[hasty path]

So I have lariat and shield already crafted for prot, I'm kinda between prot and fury when I can and looking for where I can maximize usage between both specs. For 3rd spark... haste legs or frostfire belt?

[heady nest]

is battle scared vet still broken?

[dull frost]

We can only wear 2 embellished gear right? If I craft sword/shield, is it considered embellished?

I already have lariat and wrist currently

[nimble laurel]

The embellishment is the added effect onto the item, not just the base item

[nimble laurel]

Does your shield have the embellishment?

[south zealot]

pog

[agile galleon]

how do i become like you

[hasty path]

nah no embellishment, just the primal defender

[south zealot]

these were my parse talents

[nimble laurel]

Haste legs for fury in m+, if that is your focus.

[agile galleon]

yeah i run the same talents

my shield block dps is just mad low for some reason

[hasty path]

wowhead recommends the infurious helm after lariat for prot... but I see the belt mentioned here a lot

[static narwhal]

did anyone ever find out if embrace of gonk and fast footwork are stacking?

[pallid quiver]

well, helm takes a tier slot

[south plume]

this vs 2p ?

[vast rivet]

i would fuck with the totem

[warm plinth]

I would take that in a heartbeat personally

[slim dove]

alot more opportunites for tier

esp with catalyst in 4? weeks

[pulsar merlin]

should i take the lower ilvl tier piece or something else?

[frozen lava]

So is there not a consensus on whats the best weap enchant? wowhead says sophric, icy veins says frozen or wafting

[deft hazel]

4 weeks wut

[slim dove]

6 weeks after season starts

so i believe thats 4 weeks from this reset

[south plume]

what is catalyst ?

[lost egret]

so i got the ring that does fire damage but only activates thru fire damage

is there any way as a warrior for me to proc this>?

[slim dove]

frostfire belt.

[lost egret]

for real?! it says frost fire tho not fire

[sick sentinel]

LOOOOLL

soooo im okay with that one

[crude glen]

anyone link windfury value table

for each spec

[slim dove]

yogi done it

mans doin 5s out here with heroic all totem

[slim dove]

frost.fire.

bruv

[lost egret]

if it works then it works i know where my spark goes then 😄 ty

[slim dove]

it absolutely works

[faint mural]

Do prot warriors want to use a primary stat gem at all?

[warm lark]

Do we run Seal of Filial Duty or do we need to make an item for Fire Damage and it's not worth?

[limber python]

how do u activate the skip on vault of incrarnates

i did the q

[ocean finch]

Hey! What would you guys suggest crafting as my third 418 item? I have Neck and Shield atm, only playing M+

[urban portal]

not worth

[warm lark]

Damn that sucks thanks

[warm plinth]

yes, if you can afford it

[warm plinth]

It might be worth it. Depends on what you have. Ring is like ~2% overall DPS (in sims) at heroic level.

The proc that is

But you also get forced into using the frostfire belt so you can proc it

Oh wait that's the shield ring, I'm dumb

ignore me

[lyric geode]

The waist with leech or the weapon?

[warm plinth]

Unless you're crafting a 418 weapon soon then easily the weapon.

[weary python]

Have people started using their valor yet?

[lyric geode]

But stats are meh

I mean strike twice proc is quite good

[warm plinth]

Who cares about the stats; it's a weapon

The only stat that matters on it is weapon DPS

[lyric geode]

True, I mean. Given that I would be able to take it up to 415 ilvl. I have me thinking

[warm plinth]

Yeah but you can't right now because you can't even earn enough valor. And you would have to be 2400 score

385 > 415 is 4500 valor on a 1h weapon

[lyric geode]

I know...

[minor sparrow]

thunderlord this week?

[granite plover]

Guys, the rare ring of the first boss, is it useable as warritank?

[lyric geode]

Also one final question

Why frozen devotion or Wafting devotion instead of sophic devotion

[warm plinth]

Yes but you basically are required to make the frostfire belt.

[warm plinth]

You can sim it; that might not be true for you

At lower gear levels, the fixed damage is stronger typically

[sudden palm]

Do you guys open vault as dps if you already have a mythic shield?

[granite plover]

DO u think this would make sense ? I mean the ring is just lfr ilvl out of the vault, but idk how rare that shit is

[slim dove]

i open as fury

[warm plinth]

I don't open as anything but prot until I have a weapon and a shield

That's my policy

[slim dove]

chance at grieftorch + other dps trinkets.

[warm plinth]

Probably not for an LFR one tbh

[sudden palm]

Yeah I already got a shield; might as well go fury spec

[warm plinth]

the absorb ring isn't that great anyway

[lyric geode]

Really?

[warm plinth]

probably really good for dps though if they can do fire damage

dps love absorbs

[sudden palm]

FCK ME MAN I'VE never been more torn before!!!

[warm plinth]

prydaz 2.0

[granite plover]

It is not the absorb ring, its the dmg ring.

[warm plinth]

Oh damnit, I always do that.

You can sim it in that case with gear compare (to sim with frostfire belt)but at that ilevel it's probably not worth it

[lyric geode]

What you had me remember. Ah yes , prydaz. The BiS legendary of Legion.

for DPS

[warm plinth]

Lol yep

[lyric geode]

Quite useful the dps had absorb shield every 30 sec

[warm plinth]

Literally required for high keys

[lyric geode]

I know

Sometimes in raids as well

[slim dove]

prydaz was insane

like once you actually sat down and looked at the % it would do after a key or raid

[lyric geode]

I mean, it was a wet dream of healers anyway

[slim dove]

busted

[young rivet]

Are allied wristguards of companionship bis for prot? I don't see much crafted gear on the bis list on wowhead

[lyric geode]

Honestly, every single dd spec hated it

[slim dove]

i told them

its either floor pov

or prydaz

pick one

healing in mythic nighthold

[lyric geode]

Star Augur Etraeus

[slim dove]

goated fight

mythic augur was insane

[lyric geode]

I know, the asthethics as well

[warm plinth]

It was definitely a cool fight

I only did it on heroic but still fun 🙂

[weary python]

Worth putting valor into, or keep saving valor?

[warm plinth]

The only bis item from crafted gear (as in, you will never replace it if you make it) is lariat. Every other embellishment, including wrists, is around the .5-1% dps mark

[warm plinth]

No chance I'd upgrade anything 8 ranks this early in the season tbh

[drifting lotus]

quick question. i jut got the Seal of Diurna's Chosen - which says it procs when i do fire dmg

:buthow:

and wowhead says it's the raid bis ring

[warm plinth]

Frostfire belt

It's the bis raid ring because there's literally only two raid rings

[drifting lotus]

i wonder how much dps it adds

i'm guessing not enough to take an ilvl downgrade to make the belt

at least until i can upgrade the belt

[fading tide]

Cool was just about to pull the last boss of academy on 14 and my computer died and won’t turn on

[warm plinth]

Heroic one (with frostfire belt) is about ~2.2% dps in sims on single target

depending on gear ofc

[lyric geode]

I mean 2.2% is quite neglible

[warm plinth]

Considering it's free damage, it's pretty significant.

Name another item that does 2.2% of your damage without losing stats 🤷

[mighty valley]

considering the lengths people will go to for tiny upgrades, 2% is definitely not negligible

[warm plinth]

Trinkets don't count, since they apparently forgot how tuning works with trinkets.

[tawny briar]

How important are the tier set bonuses to prot?

[warm plinth]

They're nice but they're not giga strong or anything

[mighty valley]

Not as important as last season but still decently strong

[warm plinth]

Pretty much the story of tank tier across the board

Get it if you can

[stark lion]

Is there an up to Date List for m+ spell reflections? I only found one for SL

[slim dove]

pins

[stark lion]

Okay, im blind then. Will look via PC later^^ ty

[left zodiac]

hey what are u guys using ur embelishment limits on? lariat and?

[cerulean urchin]

finally some luck

[uncut basin]

is the seal of diurna ring better than the cobolt ring? with the belt

[slim dove]

yes

[idle idol]

how important is weapon ilvl for prot?

[noble wind]

How good is this for us? Its in the vault.

[warm plinth]

really good

[warm plinth]

very, besides shield it's your best upgrade

[noble wind]

Witch would you replace?

[cerulean urchin]

seed

[uncut basin]

are there more sparks this week?

[granite plover]

every 2 weeks u get 1

currently u can have 3

[prime narwhal]

What’s an optimal amount of vers/haste for 15+ keys?

[warm plinth]

Greater than 0

[prime narwhal]

Well I just got a 415 wep from vault

Sitting at 393ilvl and I have about 15% vers and 21% haste

[warm plinth]

That is more than fine

[prime narwhal]

Cool beans

[rose pilot]

Whispering or tier?

[warm plinth]

You can sim for DPS but for general purposes, we just equip what's higher ilevel. If it's same ilevel, take whatever has haste.

[floral moon]

is normal tier worth wearing for 4pc? vs raw ilvl from the heroic/mythic counterparts until i have at least all 4pc heroic?

[grand wolf]

Worth using primal molten longsword or crafted shield? both 405, spikes and talons. Want to swap in Lariat but unsure which slot to fill

[broken mulch]

this any good for us? suppose we only proc it with the belt aswell?

[compact jackal]

I see big mastery I 🤢

[broken mulch]

Yes

[flat sorrel]

Supposedly WoWhead says it’s BiS for prot

You need a frostfire belt or trinket to help proc it though

[zealous grove]

whats the better "sim" if I was looking to get premium - AMR or raidbots?

[swift moon]

i might have missed it but does anyone have a WA for Vangaurds determination?

[cerulean urchin]

the only thing i didnt need

why....

[broken mulch]

It doesn't really really say that tho right? I says it's bis from raid, which doesn't have many rings to go from. Suppose a 421 m+ ring or crafted ring with haste vers be better?

But it was 46 ilvl increase so I'll take it for now xD but can't do the belt really so f

[storm agate]

Morning, 2 tier bonus or 30 ilvl on head you think? How good is tier bonus

[tender hollow]

https://gyazo.com/5ab29601b82fe0f077c0fbb8d0498e73 got legs 402 i think the best upgrade is take leg or ring what do u think about this.

We cant take tier from chest,ring of melandrus is just farm and upgrade to 415,seed is shit i guess and shoulders is upgrade from hc

So my 2 choices is legs o ring

[south gyro]

Why does the wowhead guide have the ruby whelp shell as a M+ BIS item and then a B in the trinket tier list? The whelp shell seems pretty underwhelming overall.

[sudden palm]

Yo @warm plinth you seem to be in the mood to answer stuff; would you take Whispering (408) trinket or 421 tier chest? Both of my current (chest and shit trinket) are 395

[full monolith]

Do we open vault as Prot if Shield is still an upgrade? Tank Trinkets from dungeons dont seem nice

[woven trellis]

i still cant chose between getting 2p with low ilvl

or high ring with best stats

[sleek gulch]

If you recraft lariat, does it lose the triple sockets + gems inside of it?

[red ferry]

What stats do we priorize ? Still haste/vers ?

[remote dawn]

haste/crit also sexy ♥️

[woeful island]

Whats the BIS embellishments for prot warrior?

[sleek gulch]

nvm i searched, it keeps the gems and sockets

[red ferry]

I'm wondering why raidbot is saying crit mastery tho

It's only simming dps i guess

[lilac jay]

I can have BiS Shield 415 (Crystalized Bulwark) or 415 pants T-Set (i have it 402 already from raid). Which one would u pick? I dont have a shield but i could craft one with 418 and BiS stats (i have neck + engi bracers)

[lyric geode]

Should I use it?

[ionic fern]

Just in time for vault show off, nice.

[woeful island]

What gems are BIS for the Elemental Lariat?

[ionic fern]

I'd take the tier. I don't know how your guild does it but if it's anything like mine, you won't be getting tier from raid any time soon.

• the first boss drops a shield.

[south zealot]

go arms to get high prio on tier then go prot

[ionic fern]

Sim yourself.
More than likely haste.

[ionic fern]

That would require me to actually know how to play Arms tho

[lilac jay]

i dont even raid. so yeah i think i might get the tier and craft my shield. thanks mate!

[south zealot]

fair point

[ionic fern]

First boss is fairly easy to PuG and it drops both, a shield and a 1h.

[lyric geode]

Kewk, it is like hearing, I know how to drive a car (protection warrior), but I dont know how to drive a toy car (Arms).

[ionic fern]

See, i've tried both, Arms and Fury over the last 3 expansions.

Every time i end up doing less DPS than i do on Prot.

[lyric geode]

Rookie mistake, you have picked gladiator stance by chance.

Fingers crossed the guldan finally drops the legs

[young cloud]

I got Strike Twice at 415 ilvl(already have it at 398) but also got the ring from Melandrus. at 411. Which one do you think I should go for?I still have some valor to upgrade the sword to rank 11.

[ionic fern]

I'd personally go for the weapon.

Cause my weapon luck sucks.

[lyric geode]

I think the strike twice is the solid option

BiS weapon

[ionic fern]

And i'd rather farm CoS than Nokhud.

😂

[lyric geode]

++++

[ionic fern]

• there are other solid ring options out there as well.

[young cloud]

You have no idea how right you are,Nokhud is such a pain in the ass

[ionic fern]

It's more the RNG of the ghost boss.

[young cloud]

I thought so,I just heard a lot of praise for the auto attack damage buff and was wondering if it was really THAT good

[ionic fern]

Just one shotting people.

😦

[lyric geode]

I mean, with CoS, you can still get the weapon. The main pain is the azure vault

Because of the shield

All of the shield drops come from long tiring dungeons

[ionic fern]

It's more that the ring has good stats AND a extra effect over all the other rings.

[ionic fern]

Why bully AV?:(

[young cloud]

Ah,I see. Thanks!

[lyric geode]

More than guldan is bullying me

I think i am convinced, there are more chance to drop the mount than the legs from NH.

[woeful island]

Anyone know the order of crafts I should prioritize for my crafted gear?

[radiant pewter]

i should take tier right?

[woven steppe]

Hello everyone, new here. I cant figure out whats better for tanking, crit strike or vers? Could someone help me with what we take in consideration when deciding? And in terms of ring do we just give the ring with more haste priority?

[lyric geode]

Yes, if it gives like 400 haste and 400 critical. And you have a ring that gives 600 haste and 200 mastery, you pick 600 haste.

Also, Versa is more for survivibility.

[ionic fern]

There is no order. Craft whatever.
Most people do Shield/Weapon.

[lyric geode]

I think Lariat is the top

[ionic fern]

Ilvl>haste>crit>=vers>mastery

[ionic fern]

Lariat was like a 1% DPS increase for me.

[lyric geode]

For me it was like from 12->18% haste

Huge difference

[ionic fern]

I got 30% haste.

[lyric geode]

13->17%

[onyx matrix]

Wooo tier chest from vault!

[lyric geode]

Can you make a chest tier set piece like in Seplucher?

[onyx matrix]

Not atm

[lyric geode]

But it will happen in the future? Right?

[onyx matrix]

No clue

But I think so

It would be great tbh

[safe ether]

what do i do here? damage proc and good stats or shield proc but shit stats .. help

[onyx matrix]

Do you have the set bonus?

[safe ether]

i have 2 set and currently i do not feel the need to push to 4 set instantly

[onyx matrix]

Then id go with seal

Seal of diurnas*

[raw parcel]

When do M+ people start getting those things that give you tier? >:|

[ionic fern]

I do. 😦

[ionic fern]

REAL

NORMAL

VAULT

BTW.

[placid sierra]

tier set head hand legg and shoulder its bis for warior or legg?
4 set'

hi guys

[scenic haven]

@strong forum how do i proc this reliably

[woven steppe]

Thanks, really confused between these 2

[ionic fern]

Fire damage trinkets / embelishments.

[woven steppe]

always crit better? or is there a soft cap or minimum vers requirement?

[ionic fern]

Sim yourself for DPS.

We just like crit because we have talents that synergise great with Crit.

And if you can see it's ">=" not ">"

[woven steppe]

More dps is usually the better option?

[woven steppe]

yea thats why i was asking if there is a minimum amount of vers we need

[ionic fern]

No, there is no minimum amount of any stat you need.

[ionic fern]

99% of your survivability comes from playing the class correctly.

[pallid quiver]

All the stats also provide bonuses to survivability in some way, shape, or form, too

It's not like vers is "the defense stat" or anything

[smoky haven]

yo if i do raid on heroic can i run it again for loot on normal?

[pallid quiver]

The "defense stat" is playing well

[pallid quiver]

yep

[frosty mango]

The crafted belt prob your best option

[scenic haven]

we get another spark today right ?

[frosty mango]

Yes

[scenic haven]

perfect

[frosty mango]

Unless you're set on the proc belt may not be your best choice

[radiant pewter]

i shud take tier right?

[knotty kernel]

soft/hard caps for versatility?

[maiden orbit]

hey guys, anyone who can give a heads up for what to take 🙂

[ionic fern]

No.

[maiden orbit]

2p worth it over 415 ilvl?

[ionic fern]

How high is your chance of getting tier from raid? I'd take 2p.

Since my chances are low.

[woven steppe]

Thank you so much!

[warm plinth]

@ionic fern hi ily

@shut summit @potent anvil hello wonderful friends! I hope you guys had/are having a great holiday season and making good progress on the raid!

[main sable]

This is what I got from my limited time being able to play. Both are shit and got 402 shoulders from weekly quest.
I have 382 pants with haste and 379 bracers with same stats as the vault ones. crit and mastery.
Guessing I should og the bracer route to not lose out on haste?

[golden acorn]

Pick into the fray and go for 395

[humble ferry]

Week 3, still 0p 🤡

[golden acorn]

I should do the weekly first

[timber arrow]

Any tips for the last pack in Temple? The 3 Minions of Doubt are trucking me every time I get to them with Dark Claw. Seems like a very coordinated rotation of stuns is maybe the best we can do?

[golden acorn]

Before I pick

[humble ferry]

You can SR dark claw in case u didnt know

[timber arrow]

That's good to know, so maybe try SR then shockwaving the second lot then SR then kiting or something

[cedar trench]

Spell block, Reflect, stops and CDs

[warm plinth]

More stats > better stats

[frail cloud]

is strike twice best weapon for damage ?

[cedar trench]

[pallid quiver]

i feel like i've seen the char name ragerino in here before

who dis

[mellow quartz]

The extra strike is maybe 200 dps in a key. It’s largely irrelevant.

[frail cloud]

thanks, saw it was 3ppm and was wondering how it did

[north comet]

i have weapon from nokhud that strikes additional and it does overal in dung around 0.05%

[floral moon]

is there any rule of thumb on 4pc vs pure higher ilvl pieces in 2 of the slots and only wearing 2pc

normal tier seems troll to wear just for 4pc

[rain adder]

what you guys crafting with 3rd spark?

[urban portal]

1.2 is far from margin of error

0.3 is about where margin is

[hollow bolt]

anyone playing around with sonic boom and cd reduction on 3 targets hit?

[warm plinth]

I'm sure people are, but it's inferior to Thunderous Words

[livid aurora]

Would you take this over the primal ritual shell?

[unique shale]

yo i got Eye of the Vengeful Hurricane 408 with socket should i still craft Elemental Lariat ?

[steady steppe]

Sim it

It might be hard to get lariat at T5 quality tho for 408 ilvl

[compact jackal]

the curse has been broken

I lost the shield by 1 but w/e, I can just do 16+

I drop Barbaric Training now right?

[urban portal]

could also just be stat distributions

[compact jackal]

Wait, what do I take over barbaric training? Honed Reflexes?

[digital frigate]

EU reset yet?

[sharp bone]

yeah at 5am cet

[glad sleet]

just to be sure, going for the very rare raid trinket seems to play here right?

[pseudo glade]

hey what should i prio spending valor on? e.g. shield?

[compact jackal]

How do I cope with having sub 5K haste?

[broken mulch]

Does anyone know if we can remove or change the embellishment on an item?

[compact jackal]

yes

[broken mulch]

Both or just change?

[compact jackal]

to both

[broken mulch]

Thanks you're a legend

[compact jackal]

provided you're recrafting what I assume is the shield

you can left click to change to another, right click to remove

[broken mulch]

AHH it be on weapon cuz I made it with fang but think having the belt it better with the ring

[ionic fern]

Yes

[nova rover]

Is there any BIS list anywhere or just wowhead?

[keen star]

bis list is bait

just keep grabbing highest ilvl then haste or dps sim

[nova rover]

Just ilvl>str>haste>vers>crit_

Gotcha

How bout trinkets?

[warm plinth]

ilevel>haste>crit=vers>mastery

[ionic fern]

Sim yourself.

[nova rover]

Just starting the gear push, havent played much plus hitting max level last week

[lyric elm]

some evoker healer kept reverse rescuing me, pulling me around. is that a talent?

[neon elk]

If i finish m + before opening vault, will me key be based on that run or on what i should get from vault?

[ionic fern]

🤷
They have some ability.

[steady steppe]

It's based on the best u did last week I think

[warm plinth]

Reverse rescue? What do you mean reverse

[ionic fern]

It's the "LET ME GRAB YOU" spell.

[warm plinth]

No I know what rescue is, but he said reverse rescue

[lyric elm]

everytime they used the heal they grabbed me instead of flying to me

[steady steppe]

Like he runs to safety and evoker pulls him into danger I assume

[lyric elm]

they tend to fly to me to heal, but this one grabbed me around instead when they healed

[static aspen]

Ye annoying af spell for tanks. Id understand if id be playing dk

[warm plinth]

The one that makes them fly to you and heal you is verdant embrace.

[static aspen]

Wheelchair assistance

[lyric elm]

yes, so it was a reverse verdant embrace

[warm plinth]

Rescue is the one where they go grab you and move you

[lyric elm]

thats why i am confused. it wasnt rescue

he used it to heal he said

it was really fucking annoying

perhaps theres a talent that modifies it

i hope to never see that shit again

[warm plinth]

Nothing makes rescue heal; there is a talent that makes it give you and the evoker a 30% max hp shield for 5 seconds

[thorn canopy]

hey guys on what we wanna spend our spark this week ?

[warm plinth]

But that's the closest it comes to healing

[edgy belfry]

should i open the vault with fury spec if i dont want the shield? :S

[ionic fern]

Up to you.

[ionic fern]

Up to you.

[warm plinth]

You can but remember fury can loot 2h weapons as well

[lyric elm]

he did 0 dps also, so his talents were weird. whatever

[warm plinth]

Oof, wtf

[lyric elm]

if i see some evoker do that again ill just leave

[warm plinth]

Evoker does pretty good damage too doesn't it?

and he did 0? x_x

[lyric elm]

yes it does the most damage i think?

[warm plinth]

feels fuckin bad

[lyric elm]

this was last boss NO https://i.imgur.com/3iGxUQH.png

[warm plinth]

oh no

[ionic fern]

New class, people enjoying.

Let them be.

[lyric elm]

yes ill let them be far away from my key

[warm plinth]

But what if we wanna be

[ionic fern]

Then go be toxic in the Evoker discord.

[lyric elm]

we're trying to understand why he rescued me a lot

[warm plinth]

You know, everyone who I mention that discord to is like "there's an evoker discord?" 😂

[lyric elm]

its important for me to understand the healers as a tank

[ionic fern]

No.

Healers heal.

That's that.

[warm plinth]

He should really not ever be rescuing the tank unless he's very sure of what he's doing

And it certainly shouldn't be a common occurrence

[ionic fern]

[sick sentinel]

yo guys i can only equip 2 crafted items or it can be 3 since this week we got our third spark

[warm plinth]

You can equip as many crafted items as you want

[ionic fern]

2 embelishments.

[warm plinth]

You just can't equip more than 2 embellishments

[lyric elm]

i wish i had your peace of mind

[sick sentinel]

ahh

ty ty

[warm plinth]

But yes you can craft 3 of the epic items now with the third spark

[sick sentinel]

any chance i can remove embellishments from a crafted item ?

[young mango]

Anyone know if it is possible to regain a spark? Like de?

[warm plinth]

Well, tbh the reason I'm never toxic to people even if they screw up (unless it's to poke fun at a situation like this, but since they probably aren't here then I'm not worried about it) is because I'm probably never gonna see them again anyway

[warm plinth]

You can as long as it's not one of the items that comes with an embellishment

Griftah's All-Purpose Embellishment Powder will remove an embellishment

[warm plinth]

Not that I'm aware, no

But you can recraft items to make them higher ilevel

[sick sentinel]

tyvm m8

[haughty marsh]

open chest as arms or prot? Trinkets>Shield?

[ionic fern]

Up to you.

What is up with these questions.
Literally personal preference.

[mighty valley]

what should i have for lunch

[lean gale]

I dropped Blazebinder's Hoof, is this a good trinket to play for prot?

[lyric elm]

steak for strong warrior brain

[warm plinth]

yes

[raw parcel]

How much ilvl weight would you give the buff from the cobalt assembly ring? Currently have that (389) vs a 392 ring with a socket.

[muted coral]

Got that ruby whelp trinket, do i wanna use the effect when i target an enemy and use or the on self stats? Only other trinket atm

[storm grove]

What is a good pick here boys?

These trinkets any good for prot? or do I just stick with stats from other pieces? Got shoulders tier also

Already have these 2 trinkets

[idle inlet]

Cant go wrong with waist imho

[blazing condor]

2 weeks with only m+ and no raid and now i got 2 set

[warm plinth]

Rumbling Ruby is wonderful

[blazing condor]

could you get tier pieces in hc quest btw

[warm plinth]

No

At least, you couldn't in SL so I imagine you still can't.

[pallid quiver]

game continues to suck

died from no path available on leap in senn fight

[steady steppe]

Lfr opened last week if u need tier set from dathea and don't mind the lower ilvl

Had a fury need on decoration of flame yesterday

[sudden gazelle]

Is there a faq for great vault related stuff?

Im wondering if i take 20ilvl upgradr wep or tier piece

Tier is also 20 ilvl upgrade

[warm plinth]

need context. do you raid? will tier piece give you a set bonus?

[sudden gazelle]

I pug raid only, but every week. This would be my first piece of tier

Dinged 70 last reset

[warm plinth]

what level of keys do you do

[sudden gazelle]

Im hoping to peak at 15

🙂

[warm plinth]

I'd probably take the weapon then

[mystic radish]

Is upgrading to Lariat worth? Already got the Sword and the Shield

[cinder storm]

same

[sudden gazelle]

Thanks ghash

[warm plinth]

Yes, lariat is the best necklace you can possibly get this season

[mystic radish]

We doing: Primay + haste and 2x Haste+Vers gem in there then?

[warm plinth]

I would do crit/haste but that's me

You can do vers/haste if you want

to clarify, you should have the primary gem as well

[versed hull]

Hey guys what combination of these 3 trinket should I play f or M+/Raid ? Scale+hoof are 392 and the raid trinket is 389

[ionic fern]

Sim yourself.

More than likely Hoof+Decoration

[versed hull]

Simming for tanks ? monkahmm

[ionic fern]

Yes.

Simming for tanks.

You sim for DPS.

[versed hull]

Fair point we dont die

may as well crank some numbers

[ionic fern]

[versed hull]

What about for survivability? would you suggest otherwise?

ie for prog

[broken mulch]

Scale will always sim less tho cuz it's not just an dps trinket no?

[harsh crown]

Anyone know what item level would be good to replace my cobalt guardian ring with? assuming BIS stats and such in terms of survivability

[zealous grove]

how many of y'all running this

[ionic fern]

Survivability comes from your own play.

We also have enough talent choices to play around with according to w/e fight is being progressed.

[steady steppe]

All stats have a defensive part to them and ilvl is most important for defensiveness

[sick sentinel]

If you already have shield and 1hand wweapon with embelishments its worth to drop one of them and get a lariat for lets say 17-20 key m+ gameplay only?

[ionic fern]

Sim yourself.

Probably.

[sick sentinel]

defensive wise, does lariat offer any competitive scenario?

[mellow quartz]

Gives a stat proc which is more stats

More stats = more defensiveness

[ionic fern]

Aren't both the weapon and shield offensive? 👀

Not really a comparison to be made there.

[mellow quartz]

Won’t make you live where you would die otherwise

[sick sentinel]

Understood, got it

[mellow quartz]

Think of gearing like a lot of small streams ending in a larger river

Each individual stream is not that important by itself

Added all together they are very important

[sick sentinel]

yep, gonna sim it. Sounds like its the best play

Also since you have a similiar drop 1hand weapon embelishmenet from m+

Strike Twice one handed its pretty similar

[mellow quartz]

Simming is for trinkets, rings and deciding between even ilvl stat pieces

Anything else you just go highest number as it gives strength and stamina

[spice orbit]

Hmm as a life long bear: do you guys open vault on prot spec or fury?

[mellow quartz]

You want a shield if you don’t have it

So prot

[sick sentinel]

have both shield and one hand w embelishments, just need to see the week link to change one for lariat

[spice orbit]

did you just summon these?

[crimson sinew]

What is better to craft Lariat or Unstable Frostfire Belt?

[ionic fern]

sim

Your

Self

[zealous grove]

worth you reckon moo?

[sick sentinel]

on droptimizer lariat shows like this. Any tip to put it back on track?

[shrewd bronze]

Is that ring that gives a shield from broodkeeper good for us?

I meant the shield one

[timid coyote]

Hey, I have a question. One part of this is just 'Sim yo self' but there's also some opportunity cost going into this.

I got the Seal of Filial Duty in weekly chest and I was wondering if it's a reasonable idea to craft the frostfire belt to proc the ring or if that's a waste?

[urban portal]

i dont think it porcs

procs

tho im not sure

because frostfire is frostfire, not fire

is what someone said