protection

[edgy grail]

Easy

[plush tendon]

just need one rejuv

zug zug

[sweet summit]

sure but less uptime on boss = longer fight

[dark shale]

i think i just dicovered something, if you use phial of the eye in the storm, you can keep the strength buff while using another flask lol

[sweet summit]

lowkey bug abusing

[dark shale]

just cancel the flask itself after getting the 5 stacks and use another flask XD

[edgy grail]

Enjoy your ban

And your fake m+ title

[frosty mango]

I am the greediest fury ever, I will stand in literally anything that won't kill me and impending victory it but that maelstrom at 16+ is scary, papa don't want that fire

[edgy grail]

/s

[plush tendon]

can fury sustain through it with Enraged regen and bloodthirst?

[slim dove]

it should

but you lose giga dam blowing RA charges on bloodbath over cb

[plush tendon]

I wouldnt know... half my guild are Rogues and the other half are Wind Wankers

[sweet summit]

fury has a lot of armor+a lot of stam+IV+WP for every set

should never die

[slim dove]

^

[sweet summit]

sounds nice

[slim dove]

i play fury in raid and its actually troll how easy it is to just heal through every boss mech

[frosty mango]

I dpsed it on an 18 and unless we popped AOE CDs no

D stance/enraged etc and I got flattened

I survived the first fine, second was heal CDs, third I did d stance/impending and almost died, fourth I did d stance/er/iv/health pot and it wasn't enough

Health pot would have saved me I think

[plush tendon]

it is, till you realize they are all in your raid group and you share the same token as them and your 4 dragussys

-_-

[sweet summit]

ah... right...

[plush tendon]

Shouldve played prot paladin... we have 3 people on that token

or my DK.... only 2 there

[plush tendon]

yea; we are working on finding out what CD rotation we could use to survive

it seems like you need to be able to survive around 4-5 on a 18.

but apparently a prot warrior tank can just solo the boss at that level... so it may just be about getting her low enough with enough time

[sick sentinel]

i wonder if there is some BS about groups are prioritising all totem raid trinket to DH and druid and maybe DK brew (i don't think anyone plays those) over pwar cuz, pwar doesn't have as much parry so its more useful to the DH who is dodging all the time

[cold zealot]

Has anyone noticed, that the 2set bonus doesnt work in sbg bonemaw boss?

[severe steeple]

i can't believe what just happened
had a group do tree boss academy perfect and then wiped on bird and elemental bosses

[plush tendon]

used all the gamer energy on the tree

[sweet summit]

no, it works

[cold zealot]

hmm my wa and my buffbar dont track it

i will be checking my logs

[plush tendon]

damn two set.... that would be sick to have

[sweet summit]

4 set next week

[sick sentinel]

if i see another set piece no shoulders in vault im taking that

or alltotem if i get it somehow from only clearing 1 wing of LFR

[blazing condor]

ok how to deal with ubrelskul balls cus them things are chasing me

[plush tendon]

4 piece seems kind of meh though yea?

[sweet summit]

ya it's just a 5% BrV when 2 set is active

[mellow quartz]

2 and 4 set is nice but overall nothing more than that really.

You won’t feel 4%

[severe steeple]

i like how so many ppl did not get the memo about tier sets in DF

[plush tendon]

2 set seems like a free 4%

[severe steeple]

they ask to note tier set for a 15

not to mention its only second week

[sweet summit]

lol

[slim dove]

people are dumb

and toxic

[plush tendon]

and you arent fully bised out yet???

[frosty mango]

i think most tanks can since all his damage is phys

[plush tendon]

silly

[mellow quartz]

Tier set is bigger for other classes and specs

[slim dove]

^^

[broken mulch]

I'm still waiting for my 1set

[slim dove]

its 10% for DH

absurd.

[sweet summit]

3% for fury !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[plush tendon]

I mean, in a perfect world it goes dps->healers-> tanks for tier

[sweet summit]

absurd! !!!!!!!!!!!

[plush tendon]

except fury

[severe steeple]

boomkin is actually night and day with 4set AFAIK

[plush tendon]

Fury warrior tier is poop

[mellow quartz]

Meant how much value they get from it, not who has raid loot priority.

[slim dove]

yeah they really didn't playtest them all too well

[mellow quartz]

Some dps specs it’s 10-15%

Pwar it’s 🤷‍♂️

[slim dove]

arms tier is good tho and its surpassing fury in 10.0.5

[limber flame]

arms on the come up Pog

[edgy grail]

Ive been playing arms pretty fun

[slim dove]

4 free talent points lmao

[edgy grail]

Yea but it does suffer a lot in that regard

Feels like you can go ST or AOE

[slim dove]

? you just get to take...everything

yeah rn you have to choose

[edgy grail]

No inbetween

[slim dove]

in 10.0.5, not so much

[edgy grail]

Yea that’s what I mean

[slim dove]

oo

[limber flame]

give arms ignore pain back

do it blizzard

[edgy grail]

Feels like they hit the nail on the head on that one

[slim dove]

please, and dont nerf the damage in pvp

already clap kids for 140k MSs on the regular

[plush tendon]

Arms is cool

[limber flame]

back to shadowlands god tier

[plush tendon]

Fury hurts my hand

[sweet summit]

fury owns

[limber flame]

arms warrior now, DBTS on CD? guess im dead

[plush tendon]

and I need my left hand for.... things

[plush tendon]

yea, but theres this hidden mastery with fury where when you play it, you have to hit your buttons harder cause they do more damage that way

[sweet summit]

real lore

[oak echo]

embrace the zug zug

[slim dove]

na up btw

[limber flame]

Prayge for heroic grieftorch in vault

[slim dove]

do ur dungeons first

[sweet summit]

can't wait for another two days of vault screenshots

[slim dove]

[limber flame]

yeh im praying for it from the box

[slim dove]

hey GUYS DO I PICK TORCH OR THIS CLOAK

[sweet summit]

[limber flame]

cloak everytime

[slim dove]

some euro streamer did it

[limber flame]

what people making with their spark this week

[slim dove]

literally live

guzu i think?

[limber flame]

classic guzu

[slim dove]

classic wow brainrot

[limber flame]

snoozu more like it KEKW

[oak echo]

weapon if i don't get one in vault/heroic box

[astral crystal]

halp, what do i take

already have tier gloves

[fallow osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/so-gif-4487372

[limber flame]

do you have 415 weapon

[severe steeple]

either ring or strike twice

[slim dove]

annnnd i close this channel for the day

[astral crystal]

no 415 weapon

strike twice seems good

[blazing condor]

its great

[keen star]

is that tier gloves?

[limber flame]

u got your answer buddy

[keen star]

I'd wait for heroic clear, take tier gloves if I don't get tier gloves, and craft a 418 wep

[plush tendon]

this is my favorite day

I love seeing what the lads get

[astral crystal]

i already got tier gloves

[lyric geode]

Guys

ONE BIG HELP

I need a macro/addon to remove MD for rude hunters or rogues

[tired pivot]

hey, how are you guys handling algethar academy tree boss on high keys?

[keen star]

/cancelaura misdirection
/cancelaura tricks of the trade

[oak echo]

/cancelaura and bind it to shield slam or something lol

[keen star]

just do all the buffs you can see on yourself

[lyric geode]

ty

[keen star]

I can't remember the names of all the MD's

I made them up there

[oak echo]

pretty sure those are correct

[smoky haven]

ive always wanted Decoration of Flame but shoulder tier would put me at 3/5

[wanton night]

you can wait to pick something until you run the raid again

and see if you get tier or trinket and pick whateevr you didnt get

[oak echo]

ayyy both dungeon quests are RLP

[fallow osprey]

What does your heart tell you

[smoky haven]

heart is telling me shoulders

im kinda new does raid lockout reset everyweek for normal/heroic/M

[plush tendon]

I feel like Flame is meh

[blazing condor]

they changed it so you get no points for a depleted key now?

[plush tendon]

it aint a windscar thats fo sure

[old sinew]

418 strike twice, so time to do weapon enchant. I literally have done zero research on this previously, not sure what we take. Icy-veins listed two options, so I really don't know

[plush tendon]

besides, flame drops off the first boss

[keen star]

get 415 shoulders for sure

[plush tendon]

its really whatever is cheaper

right now

some of the enchants cost a arm and leg

[smoky haven]

ty brothers

[keen star]

frozen devotion rank 3

[oak echo]

if you go way over yes, been that way for a bit

[smoky haven]

also whats best way to get 385 primal ritual shell? super rares daily?

[old sinew]

probably using this weapon for the remainder of the patch so this is kind of not useful feedback. I'll pay whatever and use it for the next 6 months

[oak echo]

you have to be something like 30% over the timer, i forget the exact %

[woeful reef]

Hey guys I dont raid and only M+, I got my tier helm from M+ vault last week (can be upgraded). This week no tier in vault from M+ but did get gloves from raid finder vault. Is it worth grabbing the gloves for 2pc bonus on gloves that are only 382 which is lower than my current gloves and cant be upgraded in the future? Or wait for better RNG from M+ row and go with the highest ilvl piece

[plush tendon]

it kind of is when the enchant is like 120k

get a cheaper thing, replace when prices drop

[old sinew]

...

[oak echo]

yeah the enchant isn't stuck on the weapon forever lol

[keen star]

enchant prices will go down

[lofty widget]

just sim it

[old sinew]

Is there a sim that is solid for M+? Also DPS sim doesn't really include any survival gains I imagine which would be relevant to the discussion

[sand mason]

395 tier chest (2pc) or a 415 blazehoof trinket? fml

[plush tendon]

if you raid, might be worth to wait and see if you cant get 2 piece another way

before choosing

[light blaze]

What y'all suggest spending 3rd spark on? I crafted Lariat + Weapon so far.

[winter marten]

Guys it is worth getting the Diurnas ring?

[plush tendon]

Im debating between Engineering bracers or a ring

personally

[keen star]

un-embellish weapon and do CR wrist or dps belt or vers wrists, but I have no math to back this up, just ideas

[tired pivot]

engi braces are really good for the cr

[winter marten]

The extrarare?

[keen star]

not sure if we do fire damage

[winter marten]

we dont do

[smoky haven]

With frostfire belt no?

[winter marten]

but theres any item of something that make ups does fire dmg?

[plush tendon]

maybe like a patchwork 5 target 40 seconds sim? If you want def, the best enchant is prim stat one as Strength will give armor which is more then the frost damage proc. Though, it really wont be a huge factor in most scenarios

The guide suggest that if you have the rings, you should make a frostfire belt. The frostfire proc does decent damage on its own and the rings sort of add to that value

[swift pier]

guys what do i take? xD

trinket with leech or 418 shield?

[limber flame]

do you have a 418 shield

[plush tendon]

whats your current shield/ are you planning on making a new shield

[woven trellis]

god sake, tier set 395 hand or Haste versa ilvl 411

ring

[swift pier]

402 ilvl current shield

current trinkets is blindhoof and windscar

[limber flame]

is it crafted shield where you can upgrade

if not

take 418 shield

[swift pier]

heroic shield

[plush tendon]

do you mythic raid? there is a 415 shield off first boss

[swift pier]

i was planning on making pants this week

[limber flame]

shield gonna be your best defensive item

[plush tendon]

though 418 is better and you can make one this week with a extra spark

[swift pier]

i dont have a guild for raiding

aighht ill take the shield

ty

[wide charm]

Are you guys playing BSV in 18+ ?

[woven trellis]

omg there are Legs tier set 389 with leech but ilvl 389 is so low and i could get this juicy haste versa trinket

[swift pier]

thot the leech made it better

[plush tendon]

but you could also just farm the windscar

[woven trellis]

is tier set always better even with like 20 ilvl lower or

[keen star]

I can't wait for EU reset, vault gonna be M H H 20 20 18

[swift pier]

thats pog

great hustle

[lunar needle]

send help friends 😦

[swift pier]

tier

[lunar needle]

❤️

[keen star]

it's upgradable to 415 too with enough rio I think

[solar crown]

does shattering throw work on the 1st boss in ruby life pools? when she spawns the whelps and puts up a shield

[lunar needle]

yeah i can get 415

just need valor

[plush tendon]

yea

[lunar needle]

it was between the shoulders and ring

[plush tendon]

so is wracking throw which may be better

since its shorter CD, same damage, but doesnt break bop (which she doesnt have sooo)

[solar crown]

noiz, thanks!

[woven trellis]

https://gyazo.com/4a36476bda563a6a354e73bfd8ff3be5

legs have leech but so low ilvl

ring is the best ring in the game for m+ war i guess huge haste vers

[plush tendon]

the ring can be farmed though

if you really want it

and that I level is not ungettable (and relatively cheap to upgrade to with valor)

[woven trellis]

its my alt so i dont raid that much, i was hoping to pump my general ilvl with that character

thats why im sad

[hardy ridge]

chest or trinket, my current chest is 379 and 0 tier pieces

[woven trellis]

i see tier piece 402

the dilemmas man

[hardy ridge]

ill get tier in raid im not worried

[keen star]

eventually yes thanks to the token system

[tropic tangle]

that's not tier, just has the same graphic

[woven trellis]

oh ok

[keen star]

yea tier is the walking mountain set

[woven trellis]

how does the catalyst work yes

[tropic tangle]

catalyst isn't in yet

[woven trellis]

i know but i want to know how itll work

i never used that in the past

[tropic tangle]

catalyst works on M+ pieces

don't believe it works on any raid loot

[woven trellis]

but what do you have to do in order to use it

[long swan]

anyone know how much dps the frostfire belt averages

[tropic tangle]

not sure what for dragonflight, probably on wowhead or some shit

maybe primal infusions? the catalyst for Sepulchre had you collecting currency from dungeons and such

[prime robin]

Gonna do mythics first and wb but thoughts on getting whispering trinket or tier shoulders that rolled leech on them?

[somber sky]

anyone with 20%?

[stark fox]

feels bad

my vault on both tanks is terrible lmao

[keen star]

oh yea the PTSD from getting 3+ rings is coming back now

[toxic gyro]

I have like 19.3 or so

[stark fox]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hzVjPnCC9Y2TWCmf9RcYfy

Should I take the trinket or just take the socket for a future item?

[digital frigate]

you leech

[wary heath]

vault has two set pieces I don't own.... bad luck prevention implemented ?

[wanton bridge]

arent we meant to get another spark quest?

[slim dove]

yes

it should be on the usual npc

[wanton bridge]

I dont see one

odd

[quiet monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/779190240660684860/1057331398345773076/Screen_Shot_2022-12-27_at_11.17.13_AM.png

Thoughts?

[wary heath]

reminder, do the entire raid on normal and heroic before choosing a vault piece

resist the greed

[opaque vine]

Have you tested horn of valor? if so, what were your results

[upbeat star]

Anyone lose about 10% health after the patch?

Went from 410k to 365k.

[stark fox]

sec

Nah, I have the exact same HP I had yesterday.

[upbeat star]

I did log out with a 10min 10% debuff last night but that has faded.

391 ilvl with 365 hp lol

[stark fox]

weird lol

maybe try dying

[pliant palm]

Lots of manics

[edgy grail]

In game ofc

[stark fox]

👍

[edgy grail]

Nice cat

[tired pivot]

hey, how are you guys tanking tree from academy?

[upbeat star]

Still didn't work, going to try logging off and back on

[stark fox]

What are you struggling with?

[fallen gazelle]

probably not getting dispelled

the poison ticks really hard above 50 stacks

[tired pivot]

went into an 18 and I got deleted by 2nd set of adds

[stark fox]

You should be running [Bitter Immunity] to help cleanse yourself

[sweet summit]

get dispelled

nothing else to do

[tired pivot]

fair

[sweet summit]

literally just bring a poison dispell

[stark fox]

Warriors can also dispel themselves once so you can assist the healer/whoever

[sweet summit]

once every 3 minutes

not enough

[stark fox]

It's something though, I've seen plenty of warriors not taking it

Also make sure you don't dispel yourself early

[sweet summit]

because it's not necessary

[keen star]

crippling poison is big there if you have a rogue

[slim dove]

literally just

invite a ww

tell him to take detox

[plush tendon]

should bring a WW anyways

[slim dove]

OWOW

[sweet summit]

monk, druid, pala and evoker

one of those

xddd

[pallid quiver]

If you just kill the adds and get dispelled, you're fone

[plush tendon]

I want that 5% damage buff

[pallid quiver]

Now the problem is convincing people to press that button

[sweet summit]

i mean

pres sbutoon

or tank dies

[pallid quiver]

They prefer tank dies in most pugs

[plush tendon]

yea, but my uptime?

[stark fox]

detox is a dps loss, tank dying isn't

[strong forum]

talents

[upbeat star]

That was it, forgot I was in a farming spec. Thanks!

[ebon geyser]

on a heroic...smfh

[tame jasper]

i get destroyed yesterday in a HoV key, today I noticed I was wearing fishing gear ^^

[strong forum]

?

[ebon geyser]

the last boss in vault

agains the wall

[heavy mantle]

@strong forum you would prio 2p bonus over ilvl and stats or nah ?

[strong forum]

positioning doesnt matter on that boss lol

just yolo go ham

[sweet summit]

keep boss in middle

[ebon geyser]

vault sorry

[sweet summit]

pools outside

[tame jasper]

havnt seen any otgher boss except tree this week in academy 😦

[strong forum]

vault you corner game ye

just drag him around the corner around the room

[sweet summit]

corner in the circle

[ebon geyser]

healer attempted to kick

fail then kill

[oblique wharf]

Hey guys, does WF actually work if i have whetstone/rune applied to my weapon?

[sweet summit]

yea

this is not classic

[strong forum]

why would windfury not work

[sweet summit]

both are "temporary weapon enchants" kinda thing

[oblique wharf]

idk wasn't really paying attention to that

[sweet summit]

i guess

[strong forum]

WF is a buff

[oblique wharf]

i wanted to be sure before i start yelling at my enh friend for not using wf totem xD

[strong forum]

WF totem is 2-3k dps gain for pwar

so uh

yeah its good

[mortal brook]

not recommended in m+ afaik

[slim dove]

^

[sweet summit]

shamans don't use totem in keys?

what's the point then

:wah:

[slim dove]

m+ build doesnt have space

[pallid quiver]

they should grab it anyways to be team players 🙂

also, we should remember to grab priests to PI us, as well 🙂

[slim dove]

entire sham discord says otherwise

[pallid quiver]

remember the propaganda chart

[minor helm]

WF is dps loss for enhance always

Unless a second enhance is running it

[pallid quiver]

this isn't about "getting the best team possible" or "improving the group's chances to succeed"

it's about prot war go pump

[sweet summit]

cringe spec XDDD!!

[minor helm]

Imagine a single talent puts you in the same meme as fury tier

[sweet summit]

what is that supposed to mean, arms player?

[minor helm]

🪤

[sweet summit]

🐀

[solar blade]

how much dps loss is it actually? if youd had 4 melees including the enhancer, wouldnt the 3 other profit from wf totem aswell which would lead to an overall increase of dmg from the group?

[minor helm]

Yes

[solar blade]

if youd take melee heavy speccs ofc

[minor helm]

That would be dps up overall but not for the enhance

[solar blade]

so more group dmg > easier key?

[ebon geyser]

i guess ill start tomorrow fresh,

[plush tendon]

Overall Group DPS<Personal DPS

duh

[weary python]

From the weekly...

[plush tendon]

Whats the point of timing a key if you aint at the top of the meters?

[placid vale]

How do you proc that ring anyways? We dont have fire damage

[weary python]

I use decoration of flame

[edgy grail]

Belt

You can get crafted belt

Frostfire

[placid vale]

Ah true

[edgy grail]

Ive heard its pretty decent tbh

[weary python]

Any reason to go fury in vault over protection? Or is protection the play always?

[plush tendon]

Frostfire is decent on its own

[edgy grail]

Should be better than say armor spikes

[plush tendon]

the rings are like a cherry on top

[edgy grail]

Yea

[plush tendon]

or sprinkles

[edgy grail]

Depends

[plush tendon]

I like sprinkles more then cherries

[thick ore]

Would you guys pick the Whispering Incarnate Icon trinket over getting 2set?

[edgy grail]

You dont always want tank trinkets or shield

[plush tendon]

.... that depends.... how big is the Incarnate trinket

[thick ore]

heroic lvl

[plush tendon]

that I dont know

we recommended someone in our guild take the mythic incarnate trinket over another tier piece

[weary python]

My shield is crafted

[plush tendon]

but dats Mythic

Maybe see what you get from your M0 box and raid

[edgy grail]

Exactly:)

[thick ore]

Yea, I'm holdin it till I get the weekly done

[weary python]

Which ring should I replace?

[plush tendon]

delete cobalt ring

[weary python]

Assembly's seems like it's the one worth keeping

[plush tendon]

screw that shit

[weary python]

Cobalt fuckin slaps though

[plush tendon]

your logic and math mean nothing to my rage at that poop ring

[edgy grail]

Cobalt ring?

I should actually do it I switched last min and had not done it on warrior

[plush tendon]

but in all honesty, probably a sim angle

but keep the AA ring; it might better if you upgrade it a bit

[edgy grail]

I managed to get one

[olive steeple]

Can you sim tank specs?

[sweet summit]

can sim for damage as a tank yeah

[edgy grail]

Whats wrong with it?

[strong forum]

Melandrus ring is bis

And probably beats cobalt

[weary python]

I guess I open vault as fury. I pray this isn't a mistake

[edgy grail]

It depends

[plush tendon]

its stuck at 389 and deflates my I level

[weary python]

Seems like all the trinkets we want like few drop from protection

[edgy grail]

Do yoy play fury at all?

[plush tendon]

its the third most important number on my screen behind damage and IO

[weary python]

I don't play fury currently, but need to pick it up and learn it.

Tier sets change based on spec right? Like I don't need to worry about that angle.

[edgy grail]

Yea so not a bad idea then Id say if that happens anyway

[plush tendon]

yea; this aint classic

[weary python]

Rip

20 something raid bosses, 12 vault slots, haven't seen a single piece of tier. This has to be the absolute worst luck.

389 manic grieftorch or a 411 weapon. I've gotta go the 411 weapon right?

[opal basin]

Take 489 manic, that’s giga ilvl

I can’t even get that ilvl from the boss itself

=]

[weary python]

You know what i meant

[opal basin]

Ik ik, just giving you a hard time

[candid coral]

I’m very new to tanking, I’ve been tanking some M+ on my Warrior. My friend is healing but is pretty new to healing, my question is roughly how much should he be healing me? I think he says in average he heals me about 20% compared to the dps. Does this mean I’m alright at tanking or trash? Lol neither of us know

[sweet summit]

489 is indeed giga ilvl :v)

[pallid quiver]

Depends on key level and how much avoidable damage is being avoided. In ideal scenarios, you should actually top out the healer for healing done entirely due to Ignore Pain. As long as nobody's dying and the healer still has time to DPS, though, it's generally the right direction

[peak badger]

guys when i killed first 2 bosses with pug

i leave the raid and start my own

does it carry the dead bosses or will it be fresh

i know i wont get loot but the instance cleared itself

[sweet summit]

they will be dead

[peak badger]

ty

[barren socket]

frostFIRE belt procs the fire dmg shield from the raid? 🤔

the ring''

[slim dove]

yes

[barren socket]

ohhh

[slim dove]

iirc its only only way to proc it

[candid coral]

Well I think he has an over healing issue. When I run with him he tops me in heals by maybe like 10% but I noticed when I run with a random healer I usually top heals by a bit.

[deep steppe]

Question, for Gems. Do we use 1 Friece Illimited Diamong (Main Stat + Haste) and then any other Crit Haste Gems?

[timid furnace]

Any tips on tanking peril & Strife for tyrannical in ToJS? The agony damage seems to destroy me very quickly, even at lower stacks of the swap. In the 17 I just did it was doing 90% of damage taken, 40k+ DTPS. Am I doing it wrong or is it just that damaging?

Tips for dealing with the healing absorb for Jade Essence on the 3rd. boss in ToJS would also be appreciated, that shield seems to decimate me unless the healer has CDs ready in time

[plush tendon]

it can be a lot of factors; but generally tanks are pretty self sufficient this patch and dont need too much healing except when you are getting absolutely clapped

but im not a healer, so really I only know what guild healers tell me which is usually 'I slap hots on you and thats about it'

[sick sentinel]

pog

[cinder storm]

Swap at 6, stand on sides so you don't cleave, drop superiority to gain inferiority

[cinder storm]

Big

[timid furnace]

That's more or less what I have been doing, even swapping at 5. Agony still claps me

[craggy widget]

which should i take

hoof?

[strong forum]

Hoof or shoulders ye

[sweet summit]

isn't frosted armor kit better

[craggy widget]

ty

[sweet summit]

more str vs more stam

surely str is better

[strong forum]

Frost armor kit is more dmg cuz armor -> strength

[sweet summit]

and it's cheaper

[fresh gate]

I have a question about how to use my 3rd spark - I have the fire damage proc ring from raid, thinking about either crafting the frostfire belt or the lariat. Which one do you guys think is better? I ran sims and frostfire does more damage w/ ring combined but maybe lariat is better defensively?

[plush tendon]

but the wowhead guide says fierce?

[cinder storm]

But, are you dropping the debuff? Sometimes of I don't then it claps extra harder

[timid furnace]

yes, 100%

Does agony damage scale with the debuff anyway? The debuff itself only did 2% of my damage taken

[cinder storm]

Virgin wowhead vs Chad Nomeratur

[slim dove]

@strong forum grieftorch vs whetstone?

assuming you had to pick 1

[plush tendon]

./roll

but Grieftorch kind of slaps

[strong forum]

Grieftorch

[cinder storm]

You can consider setting one immune if you are getting clapped to allow some breathing room

[strong forum]

Is ultra bis

[slim dove]

and we fight with dps for it

ok

just wondering if i open box in fury or prot spec

[strong forum]

I'll open as fury

[slim dove]

i really want all-totem but i guess i only fight 1 other person for it

unless some dps rolls as tank spec and cucks me

[cinder storm]

With my luck I'll get the worst item possible out of the quest

[sweet summit]

i will get council trinket 🙏

[wide dragon]

I have tier on chest and shoulders currently. Thoughts? and 2 382 trinkets.

[slim dove]

my m+ team wants to open the box tOgEtHeR

mind you there all still sleeping

fucking losers

[cinder storm]

One one hand you'd only need one extra tier, on the other trinket

[tawny kiln]

just open it now

pretend you're opening it later

[cinder storm]

Who sleeps on vault day

[slim dove]

i literally set an alarm

the gamba brain inside me can't go without it

[cinder storm]

That's gamba day

[wide dragon]

how good is all totem?

[slim dove]

BIS for m+ iirc

nom or erga will know better

[sweet summit]

i have no clue about "tank trinkets"

[plush tendon]

the all totem seems alright from my experience (in M+), but it aint gonna knock your socks off or anything

[wide dragon]

im just sad that tier is lowest ilvl piece

[plush tendon]

can always wait till after raid to decide

and the M0 box

[minor helm]

🙏

[wide dragon]

m0 box was a dud. dropped a shield i already had

[slim dove]

impossible

[lucid raven]

What is everyone using their next spark on? Got wep + lariat so far.

Thinking Shield or the Frostfire belt

[tired forge]

omg random mythics were good to me. Whispering Incarnarnate hype!

for someone that only pugs and does M+, this feels nice lol

[plush tendon]

Eyeing Engi bracers for Bres or a ring right now

no rush for me though

[wide dragon]

i would do unspeakable things for a Whispering Incarnate

[tired forge]

ya im in shock right now lol

[sweet summit]

same

[lucid raven]

I would sacrifice an inch for a Whispering Incarnate

[tired forge]

damnit y arent i on my DH

[wide dragon]

id sac 2, and then 1 of yours

[tired forge]

i assume that ring isnt good for Wars?

the fire damage one?

take weapon i assume?

[plush tendon]

the ring is good if you have a frostfire belt

[lucid raven]

All of those are pretty BiS

[plush tendon]

but so is the AA ring

[tired forge]

ya lol

[wide dragon]

i think ring is good with whispering no?

[tired forge]

ugh now im torn

tier isnt amazing for war right?

[plush tendon]

2 piece is 4%

[slim dove]

its ok

[solemn magnet]

2 piece is good

[lucid raven]

2 peice is solid

[plush tendon]

4 piece is like.... something

no damage

so useless

[wide dragon]

look, if having not as good tier keeps us from getting hit with the nerf bat, im ok

[plush tendon]

could always be a sim angle?

[tired forge]

wtf would i take

[plush tendon]

nerf bat? You mean buff slap

[wide dragon]

no way in the world they are buffing us

[tired forge]

i feel like tier wil lbe easy to get in a week

bc everyone wil lbe passing

if not already

[wide dragon]

my raid prios tank and healer tier, so im probs set

[tired forge]

so im thinking seal or strike twice?

[plush tendon]

lol, what?

that's weird

[tired forge]

jeweled signet any good?

[plush tendon]

it is, but it is farmable

[wide dragon]

hey, im not complaining about a good thing

[tired forge]

so is strike twice i guess

[wide dragon]

Bout time we got some respect around here

[plush tendon]

you can also craft one to be exactly like it

granted it costs a embellishment

[tired forge]

meh

i wouldnt do that

so is the fire ring good?

[plush tendon]

fire ring is good if you have a way to deal fire damage

usually in the form of the frostfire belt

[weary python]

How do you find procs per minute on an item?

[sweet summit]

wowhead tooltip usually

[cinder storm]

I got Tier and CoS ring....again, part of me wants to do the quest first just in the offchance I get tier on the same slot. Sucks when I farmed that ring last quest

[sweet summit]

otherwise full html report from a sim

[hidden ether]

Got a hard vault this week. Tier shoulders, whispering incarnate icon both normal. 402 shoulders or 395 chest both with haste.

[wide dragon]

incarnate all day

imo

[hidden ether]

Is it that good if no one else is using?

[lucid raven]

what about guzzle is that even good in m+

[cinder storm]

I'd take tier

[tired forge]

wis it worth crafing the frostfire belt just to work with the ring though?

[wide dragon]

wait im dumb, i thought incarnate was decoration of flame

[plush tendon]

id still take Incarnate over Flame

[tired forge]

i may be sitting like this right now....

just swapped main to this war last week lol guess im stuck here now

[wide dragon]

yes

[solemn magnet]

do i upgrade MH to 405, or lariat to 405 first?

[slim dove]

mh

[tired forge]

i guess i deserved some luck, i just recrafted lariat 6 times, never hit 5 star

with 41%

so ya, literally no idea what to take in my vault

if seal wasnt 395ilvl i think i would take that?

but my weapon is 385 :?

[sweet summit]

weppy or CoS ring

[tired forge]

CoS ring is the good one?

[cinder storm]

yea

[sweet summit]

free damage

[tired forge]

better than diurnas?

oh ok

[edgy roost]

what do you think of this? I cant decide between the tier shoulders or the trinket. I want the tier shoulders but the avoidance on the trinket is giving me second thoughts

[tired forge]

hmmmmmmmm

[deep spruce]

You're a tank, u can happily ignore avoidance

[edgy roost]

oh interesting, why is that?

[deep spruce]

Cos the tiny amount of mitigation it'll give u, u dont need

[edgy roost]

okay that makes sense

[deep spruce]

u have plenty of defensive shit without avoidance

leech is better than avoidance

[edgy roost]

ill probably just grab the shoulders then and get my 2-piece

[high drum]

tier from m+ slots is really good

upgradable

[edgy roost]

yeah definitely

[storm merlin]

It's a mediocre trinket with a mediocre amount of a mediocre stat

[high drum]

rip ruby

relegated to "mediocre" 😔

[compact jackal]

Well

This is hard.

I have a choice of 2 set or bis

[toxic pewter]

The catalyst comes in 3 weeks

[compact jackal]

REAL hard choice

[toxic pewter]

Can perhaps take trinket and catalyze for tier in 3 weeks. 2 piece of pretty good though I can’t deny it

[compact jackal]

issue is is that it's the worst tier piece

[toxic pewter]

Ya

[compact jackal]

other issue

Ring is bis as well

[toxic pewter]

You’ll prob get tier in next few weeks from drops and vault

[compact jackal]

and I can craft the belt

[viscid furnace]

Whats the best weakaura for us?

[toxic pewter]

That trinket is rare drop if I recall correctly @compact jackal

[compact jackal]

Ring is as well

This is going to be a big pita to sim

I need to get embellishments involved

[toxic pewter]

Dang… didn’t realize that either… that is a tough one lol

[compact jackal]

What I'm considering is hmm

I make a normal vault group

and I stack it so I have 0 competition

[weary python]

I'm really struggling with this vault. I can pick 389 manic grieftorch or 411 1h weapon. Both upgrade sim very close to each other. The weapon would be 22 ilevel upgrade. Then that leaves the spark for use. If I go with the manic I'd craft a 405 weapon. If I go with the weapon I craft the belt(I'd have 2 ways to proc the belt:Seal of Filial duty and Decoration of Flame).

The big X for me on the Grieftorch is it being 389 and non-upgradeable. While the weapon could use 1 m+ upgrade, and allows a decent ilevel trinket to be slotted in.

[old inlet]

Hey guys, feelin real dumb and looking for some advice. below is my character and my vault. I have one spark. ideally what should be my next move considering my toon and vault status. appreciate any help.

[toxic pewter]

Would prob craft weapon and upgrade to 418 and just take trinket for now until new trinket can be found perhaps

[weary python]

Guy has 4piece and I haven't seen a tier piece in 19 raid bosses and 12 vault slots.

[tired forge]

is strike twice a BiS weapon even with raid weapons? I feel liek that may sway me

[old inlet]

my first vault was 4 tier lol

[shy yoke]

What's the best crafted 1 hander?

[solemn current]

So uhhhh, what are the odds it wouldn't be trolling to use storm eater boon as tank in keys?

[weary python]

Isn't that the optimal place to use it due to uncapped AoE?

[edgy grail]

Yes lol

[solemn current]

Planting feet is what I'm worried about, but here's hoping for this week lol

[edgy grail]

Should be mostly fine depending on the pack

[weary python]

Storm Eater's boon simmed way ahead of everything else on bloodmallet and it wasn't even close. Like the lowest ilevel storm eaterns boon beat out nearly every other trinket at almost highest ilevel

[edgy grail]

Yes that also assumes perfect usage

So that’s not always the case

[weary python]

But can't that be said about any trinket?

[edgy grail]

Yes but that one is obviously more of a gimic than other trinkets

You plant yourself for 10 seconds

It’s sanguine this week as well

Great for padding the overall I guess

Pop it and let everything heal

[solemn magnet]

already got a 405 shield 😦

[tired forge]

is shield worth using a spark on? I have lariat so unsure where my next should go, i only have a 385 shield

[tulip kelp]

Does the 3 star fang do more damage than 2 star fang?

[edgy grail]

Yea its pretty good

You can then open vault in fury as well

Since you dont need shield and most tank trinkets are ass

[tired forge]

no embellishment though?

[edgy grail]

Whatever you prefer

You can remove it later with a recraft

If you have fire ring

You can make frostfire belt

[tired forge]

so fire ring is in my vault lol

[edgy grail]

LOL

[vestal torrent]

what's the spark quest called for this week

[tired forge]

thinking of taking that and crafting belt

[edgy grail]

So yea

[tired forge]

but so is a 408 strike twice!

i am so god damn torn

[edgy grail]

What have you used other sparks on?

[tired forge]

jsut the neck

[edgy grail]

Well then you can get belt

And shield

[loud patrol]

god damnit my vault sucks

[compact jackal]

OK so.

[tired forge]

thats what i look like now, lots i can upgrade

but no fucknig idea which is worth

thats my vault

halp

[toxic pewter]

Dang some tough vaults today Ngl

[compact jackal]

OK, I can't figure out how to sim this without making my brain hurt from thinking of combinations. Gloves are off the table because it's the worst slot. Ring or trinket. I have a 392 Strike Twice that I could upgrade to 405, or I can craft a 405 sword. I can also get a lariat or belt.

current for ref

Gear compare is saying lariat+trinket, but I assume I missed a setting for trinket in non-raid settings

[severe steeple]

run simc with vault open and then you can sim best option from bags

[pastel isle]

Can you "recraft" from 405 range to 418 range? Or do you need a brand new start?

[loud patrol]

is there a spark today_

[compact jackal]

Doesn't work too accurately when I need to deal with embellishments having a massive influence and it being a pita to get the items in the sim

[scenic mural]

2 quick questions i havent found an answer too, just getting into DF. 1) are we mainly in battle stance? Do we just go d stance for 1 shot mechanics? And 2) do i even need rend bound

[compact jackal]

Maybe I do take the trinket + lariat or weapon because Seal + belt are crit/vers and crit/mast?

[severe steeple]

embellishments definately don't have a massive influence

its just flavor

[fair stump]

what are we creating with our third spark?

[compact jackal]

The belt can proc the ring which means the belt is big

[weary python]

Spark NPC doesn't have a new quest for me. Dunno what's going on with that.

Is it better to have multiple fire sources to try and proc more often?

[slim dove]

im making bracers or weapon depending on my luck with box.

[blazing condor]

1. yes mainly in battle stance (99% of time) and use def stance when needed as a defensive CD
2. not if you're specced into blood and thunder - then rend will be applied whenever you thunder clap

[bold olive]

Do you have a tuskar follower right now trying to give you a quest? Accept it. Relog. This worked for me -- you must have Valdrakken renown 12.

[weary python]

No I don't have a follower. I've relogged multiple times Tuskarr rep is 22.

[bold olive]

Valdrakken rep needs to be 12.

[weary python]

Valdrakken rep is 23

[tired forge]

am i crazy for taking a 395 fire ring over a 408 weapon? I feel like weapon i will get eventually or can craft but I may never see the ring drop lol

[pastel isle]

Can anyone advise which is better vault selection: VERS/haste cloak, or VERS/crit bracers with socket? both same iLvl/upgrade

[scenic mural]

Thank you

[teal axle]

So for spark its Bracers neck?

[pallid hare]

what gems should we target for lariat?

[plush tendon]

seems the most common according to subcreation is Haste heavy, Vers light

with a Prim Stat + Haste

[pallid hare]

ty ❤️

[weary python]

Yeah I straight up don't have a quest for the third spark for some reason or another.

[plush tendon]

could probably also do Haste Heavy Crit Light

[plush tendon]

pretty much as long as you got big haste

[deft hazel]

my first 405 personal craft

[left cave]

Question if I already have weapon and neck.. should I make shield?

[left cave]

Dam nice

I feel like having shield that can get to 418 is just nice

And I don’t raid at the moment

[west yew]

which one should i take, relevant pieces for reference

im thinking the gloves because the gloves are bis and bigger ilvl upgrade but the legs have better stats

but i figure im gonna use the gloves in the final bis set anyway

so i might as well take the gloves

someone please tell me if im wrong

[zinc spruce]

dude im so bad at prot

i make him look balanced

[vast rivet]

Trinket is sick and only gets better as more people get it

[left cave]

Which trinket

[west yew]

incarnate icon

which i just got from my dungeon event box

[vast rivet]

Hell ya

i got it week 1

all the dps were pissed

[west yew]

ggs

[left cave]

Crafted trinket?

[west yew]

someone please help me pick legs or gauntlets lmao

nah it's a raid trink

[left cave]

Probaly can sim the gear

[west yew]

from council

im not really worried about sim tho cause it's mythic+ upgradable tier

so im gonna keep it for the whole patch

i just wanna know which piece im gonna keep the whole tier

the legs or the hands

[left cave]

Well what mythic plus are you planning To run?

Cause +16 and higher will drop better gear

So it will get replaced

Anyway

[west yew]

not tier though

they're both tier pieces

[left cave]

Oh tier

[compact jackal]

4 fastest m0 would be NO, RLP, AA, and Uldaman?

[tired forge]

Azure was decently fast

[west yew]

neltharus is quick

[tired forge]

and didnt have to travel

[toxic gyro]

No such thing as bis on gear pieces, ilvl is king

[compact jackal]

🤔

[west yew]

it's tier though

[compact jackal]

legs

[west yew]

like what are the 4 best tier pieces for prot warrior

[compact jackal]

gloves are the worst slot

[west yew]

kk

[toxic gyro]

Ones with higher ilvl lol

[weary python]

Lmao third spark there for alts, but not for main. Feels 2weeksupporttiicketman

[left cave]

i know what im choosing lmao

good ol raid finer got my back 😄

[old inlet]

huge! congrats

[hot ore]

Can I ask something? How do you approach the tree boss in Algethar?

[tired forge]

who cares now!

hard week is over

[hot ore]

I mean as a group we save cds and just for 2nd boss

[leaden river]

Checked pins for what to use spark on, 1-neck 2-longsword 3 -shield 4- helm (i have neck and shield crafted, strike twice wep and tier on helm) what would be the 5th best craft?

[left cave]

tier >ilvl right?

tier over ilvl

[hot ore]

i use shield wall, and aoe stun when adds grow forth

i usually have a huntrr or mage misdirected /tricks

i might have to use aoe stun.

but most times i have to also use last stand+punch to heal

if i dont time it, or I am one gcd slow Im dying

[vast rivet]

what gems do we put in Lariat?

[hot ore]

we are talking about +15-16

[toxic gyro]

You need dps cds on 2,4 set of adds

[vast rivet]

Haste vers?

[hot ore]

with 394 ilvl

[toxic gyro]

Kill little tree and make sure everyone stands in the circle after it dies, so everyone clears the bleed debuff. Win

[hot ore]

I mean,,, i die in 5-6 globals

so i guess im doing something wrong

[toxic gyro]

Also on 2, 4 set healer has to dispel poison from you

[hot ore]

does it matter if we clear before 2nd adds grow forth or after?

[compact jackal]

Sims are saying to take none of the vault gear 🤔

[toxic gyro]

Basically when boss uproots the adds you need to be poison dispelled

[hot ore]

that is killing me?

[toxic gyro]

Yes

[hot ore]

cause death recap just shows a ton of melee

[visual musk]

what is the go to embellish for a crafted wep? fang?

[toxic gyro]

Assuming you maintain sb that’s the only thing that can kill you on that fight

Can also save cds for those uproot phases

[hot ore]

the poison is applied the momenth the adds grow forth or from the boss?

[toxic gyro]

Link death log if you still have it

[lofty widget]

sounds like you dont have SB up

[blazing condor]

its applied from the attacks of the small dueds

but since there's 20 there you get hella stacked

[toxic gyro]

Poison is applied by attacks from adds

[blazing condor]

you could make an argument to play bitter immunity for that boss if you dont trust pugs

but not needed

[hot ore]

dunno man, maybe im panicking there

[last crest]

is there tierlist of "spark" items for us ?

[hot ore]

ita my first time playing war

[toxic gyro]

Link death log if you still have it

[leaden river]

5th best spark item to craft after helm?

[hushed panther]

heroic incarnate is an autopick?

[stone horizon]

Hi guys, in wich situations should I use spell block on RLP?

[hot ore]

had to rage logout(agreed with the group) so i doubt it

but now that im not seeing red (got it?) i wanna improve

[last crest]

deciding if Lariat´s worth the spark

[toxic gyro]

Bunch off casters in there, and all bosses lol

[blazing condor]

heavy magic damage = spell block

learn what mobs/bosses do what kind of damage

so you know what to be prepared with

[toxic gyro]

First boss cast always back to back cast forgot what it’s called but you can reflect it

2nd boss when he’s using that debuff attack, sr gives you dr

And on last boss stormstrike, same concept as 2nd boss, also make sure healer dispels you on last boss

I thought you meant sr, but same concept applies to spell block

[ebon geyser]

as andy been on paladin all race?

[coral wolf]

just tanked first boss of shadowmoon burialgrounds does anyone know how this spell works does she just do it randomly

[blazing verge]

Is this trink trash guys?

i dont see anything about it

[blazing verge]

🤔

[dry kayak]

Trash

[toxic gyro]

Show this warrior’s buff uptime

[sick sentinel]

:)))))))))))))

[brisk gust]

What do you defelct on Ruby Life Pools first boss? I always do Frigid Shard, is there any other spell to prio?

[sick sentinel]

did you notice that the druid is behind war in healing

[toxic gyro]

Damn, what dungeon was it

[digital frigate]

Is that a shield block in your pocket or are you happy to see me

[toxic gyro]

I mean if there’s nothing to heal 🤷‍♂️

[strong forum]

looks like a deplete dungeon

[toxic gyro]

I outheal my Druid on most trash packs, she just dps

[sick sentinel]

this is first 2 pulls

[stone horizon]

no shit, sherlock, that's why i'm asking

[sick sentinel]

20 nokud

[stone horizon]

thank you my friend

[toxic gyro]

Np

[past locust]

can we use this?

[crude parcel]

What's the play?

I have a tier set chest in my bags

Playing pretty casually this xpac

[brisk gust]

Go 4 dungeons then decide

[crude parcel]

So no access to mythic raids easily

[crude parcel]

What for?

[brisk gust]

Dungeont event

[crude parcel]

oo

[brisk gust]

u get a free hc raid item

[crude parcel]

ty

[brisk gust]

after 4 dungeons

[crude parcel]

What is the best item currently?

I'm thinking tier helm

or trinket

[blazing condor]

i mean you can open up the dungeon journal and literally see what ability does what

[crude parcel]

or weppy

[blazing condor]

and look through MDT

[brisk gust]

Head

[toxic gyro]

I would take head piece and farm weapon in m+

[lyric geode]

Guys, would it be toxic if I leave a grp in the middle of the m+ because the hunter MD me and take initiative?

[blazing condor]

kinda

[crude parcel]

was he wiping u?

[blazing condor]

i understand the frustration tho

tell him to stop first

if he continues then fuck it

[short elk]

Just cucking him

[crude parcel]

if its actively wiping you and you tell them not to and after a few times they still do it - not really

[lyric geode]

He had proced lock and load with kill shot

[crude parcel]

if it's just an inconvenience and you can literally just ignore it and move on by playing the game - yes

[lyric geode]

I mean, i played hunter as well. I know the feeling. But I still wouldnt do that. It is disrespectful and rude.

[last crest]

Wrists > Lariat >rest ?

[crude parcel]

Can you ignore it and play the game and not get butthurt over a game?

If so, then yes you'd be trolling

It is annoying to have people pull for you

but if it's trivial content where that just speeds it up

it is really silly to get butthurt over that

I know what you mean yes it's incredibly annoying but if the solution is to hold W - hold W

[lyric geode]

What you else guys thing.

[last crest]

if people that to me on 15-18s i just ask them twice and then leave

[crude parcel]

Welcome to pug world

[toxic gyro]

If someone pulls for me when i didn’t ask for it, I let them tank it

Sucks it’s a hunter

[crude parcel]

that just wastes everyones time

[lyric geode]

Feigh death

[toxic gyro]

Or when I pull few packs and ppl burst before everything is pulled and rip snap aggro

[lyric geode]

I mean, I understand that MD is helpful

[toxic gyro]

Yea that’s why I said it sucks it was a hunter, only option is to tell him to stop. If the doesn’t and I bothers you just leave🤷‍♂️

[lyric geode]

but isnt the tank suppose to control the pace?

[crude parcel]

No.

That's the "intended" way

but if it doesnt matter

it quite literally doesnt matter

If you're doing an m0

and youre pulling 5 packs

[vast rivet]

from what ive read, Lariat > Weapon > Shield

[crude parcel]

a 6th one wont make or break it

if it's a +22

and that ints your key

that is bad and you can leave

[toxic gyro]

Not everyone is a mdi tank. Pull however much you feel comfortable with

[warm plinth]

Weapon and shield should be your priorities. Lariat is good but it's good as an embellishment. It's not better than a weapon or shield, which are your two single most impactful gear upgrades.

[ebon raptor]

yo guys, easy question, what piece should I do after the elemental lariat?

[toxic gyro]

Lol read previous msg

[ebon raptor]

oh fuck

sorry

[zinc spruce]

what proffesions did u guys go for

[formal grail]

how do you deal with liu on tyr

[rare narwhal]

I remember seeing the embellished haste legs as BIS before, are they still worth it?

[craggy pilot]

not really

[warm plinth]

I don't recall anyone ever saying the legs were bis. They are one of the worst embellishments in my opinion.

[vast rivet]

What gems for lariat? 1 primal 2 haste (air)

[rare narwhal]

Maybe that was arms I was looking at then lol. Thanks

[brisk gust]

Lariat/Weap/Shield/Waist imo

[warm plinth]

Lariat is not better than a weapon or shield.

[rare narwhal]

I crafted a chest with my first spark like an idiot because I didn't know they were so limited

[brisk gust]

If you think for the future lariat is better

[warm plinth]

Well, they're not that limited. You get five guaranteed and then they'll drop (albeit rarely)

[rare narwhal]

Yeah suppose they're only limited at the start

[craggy pilot]

why would you craft something now for the future

when you can craft it in the future for the future

[warm plinth]

I would rather set myself up with a strong weapon and shield than worry about a necklace.

[rare narwhal]

Neck at 405+ with haste gems is solid though

[craggy pilot]

the play with Neck is if you multispec

[toxic gyro]

Nothing beats shield and weapon

[craggy pilot]

otherwise Shield/Wep is GOAT for early

[full violet]

I have lariat and shield, was about to craft Wrist or belt tomorrow now u telling ppl better to craft weapon. My brain cant process this

[craggy pilot]

then get neck afterwards

[warm plinth]

Sure but lariat is only good in the context of embellishments. It doesn't approach the strength of weapon or shield.

[craggy pilot]

depends how good wep you have currently

[rare narwhal]

I multi spec arms/prot so there neck is solid for that

[warm plinth]

People act like it's this God tier item but like, it's still a necklace guys

[craggy pilot]

even the lariat embellishment is the same as any other embellishment, it is way over hyped

[full violet]

402 upgradable to 415 (with enough valor 😂)

[craggy pilot]

then you can do whatever you like tbh

[warm plinth]

Yeah I'd probably say go with whatever if you already have an upgradeable at that level

[craggy pilot]

in the end its your own personal choice

and 90% of players apparently dont like that, they want to be told what to craft 🤣

[full violet]

Yea so i'll Go wrist

[craggy pilot]

"hold my hand while i play this game please"

[warm plinth]

It's kinda exhausting tbh because like, people don't understand that bis embellishment doesn't mean bis piece of gear

[craggy pilot]

its a game meant for fun in the end

[craggy pilot]

i think this is why people in the beginning just said Lariat was bis

[full violet]

Feeling like i could need some extra survival since im not that god of a Tank

[craggy pilot]

cus its way easier than explaining all this shit 😄

[warm plinth]

Yeah, like lariat is bis in the context of necklaces

[full violet]

18s and Up hitting hard af imho

[craggy pilot]

but embellish wrist is also BIS in the context of wrists 😄

thats the issue 🤣

[full violet]

Well

You can say that for every crafted piece No?

Except tier set

[west kayak]

Is the belt still a good thing to make if I already have sword/shield?

[warm plinth]

Sure but my point is people see "lariat is bis" and somehow think that means it's better than weapon and shield

[craggy pilot]

well thats a long explanation again

cus normal slots can go 421 in vault

and 418 crafted might not be better than 421 vault

[warm plinth]

Because people are too focused on embellishments

[craggy pilot]

but in neck it is, because neck has no mainstat

[craggy pilot]

because people say lariat is bis, because its easier to explain 😄

and because its maybe true for 90% of the DPS classes

every streamer just went with it, because its easy as fk to explain to an audience

[west kayak]

@full violet I made the shield and sword. My current neck is the haste one from raid. Wondering what I should craft next.

[craggy pilot]

belt or wrist is good options

[warm plinth]

Well in terms of necklaces, no one can get a better one than lariat. Because the effect is worth like 18 ilevels (in a necklace), so even if you have access to a mythic raid necklace, it's still better.

And the stats are customizable so not like you're gonna have shit stats

[toxic jungle]

Can prot warriors proc seal of filial duty? It says it's BIS from raid

[craggy pilot]

yes, true, but early ilvl is worth more

since you get early Str

[craggy pilot]

only with the Embellish Frostfire belt

[vast rivet]

and trinkets

[warm plinth]

You'd need the embellished belt or a fire damage trinket or something

[toxic jungle]

is it even BIS, it has a fuck ton of mastery

[granite plume]

does prot care about speed as a tertiary stat?

[craggy pilot]

believe it sims quite high, but we have some good rings available in this season

COS ring, and Cobalt Assembly ring

[west kayak]

Can't change the stats on the belt huh...?

[craggy pilot]

no