protection

[ionic fern]

Cool.

[bold turret]

normal?

[ionic fern]

I guess so if you died?

[pallid quiver]

i mean it'd depend on gear and everything, so

[ionic fern]

Full IP + DStance + CD.

[blazing condor]

She fucks

[ionic fern]

🤷

[wanton shale]

i swear loot favors the guy who does the worst when it dropped...

[bold turret]

Lol MIGHT have still used bstance...

please ignore me

[ionic fern]

That's one of the abilities i would go DSTance for.

[mellow quartz]

Something tells me you weren’t at 100% hp

[pallid quiver]

At keys that high level with telegraphed attacks, I'd always go D Stance

There's no reason not to; she knocks you across the arena and you're usually using that to move her, so you have time to stance back

[bold turret]

Yeah I normally do just looked at logs and must have missed the swap on santify

[wanton shale]

like the 350 ilvl guy who has the good key and dies every boss always gets something from the chest from everyone else clearing the dungeon lol

i know this isn't the druid discord but also know yall know plenty about them lol. Just started a resto druid alt and got him mostly 385 gear this week spamming M+, except 1X 346 ring. Next week I should still craft the Lariat assuming i'll eventually get a 385+ random ring from dungeon right?

[ionic fern]

[wanton shale]

and not just go for replacing my lowest ilvl piece that isn't too hard to brute force gring?

[ionic fern]

I'll say yes.
No idea about resto druids tho.

[wanton shale]

grind

[ionic fern]

🤷

[wanton shale]

ok that's what i was leaning towards, Lariat still unique since like every dungeon has a ring, i can't get unlucky forever

[ionic fern]

I'm still rocking only 1 embelishment.

[pallid quiver]

I made a shield and then got a higher ilvl shield drop from M+

🙂

[wanton shale]

think there's even more shortage of healers than tanks for M+, massively undergeared, groups still took me and basically carried me from 340s to 380 in 1 week lol

[ionic fern]

I just upgraded my shield to 418.

[wanton shale]

well that and lower healers have much less impact on the group than a bad/low tank

was messing around with Fury and damn there's too many of them, too annoying getting groups. Prot and resto druids can pick and choose almost any dungeon/key they want compared to dps without lust or anything unique

[young mango]

Tjs +17 shall i even try it or just skip it.

[keen star]

yes go for it, bear just can't survive. my best decision ever

[sweet summit]

ez u got this

[young mango]

Hm did a 13 this week, which was okay. Trash on first Boss was one shooting the dps.

[sweet summit]

i doubt it one shot

[keen star]

tidal burst maybe

[pallid quiver]

tidal burst on average pumps like 60% on most people doing 13s

[sweet summit]

not on a 13 tyrannical

[pallid quiver]

which means that they're effectively dead for most pugs, but it ain't a one-shot

Only way they get globalled on that trash is if a bunch of hydrolances hit a single target

which, uh, means press interrupts/stops

[sweet summit]

luckily that's one interrupt/hard cc and ur chilling

[young mango]

The cast from the 2 caster together with the Elemental idk why but dps died

[sweet summit]

you can solo stop two if you want

[young mango]

Yes i did

[pallid quiver]

hell, if you have int shout, you can keep like an entire pack controlled for as long as it should be alive

[sweet summit]

could be an idea to play around LoS

for elemental

[young mango]

But once interupts overlap the downward twist began

It was weird and for sure i fucked up aswell

[buoyant patrol]

Hi all,
Just got 2p. Does it mean we want to do a revenge every 5sec to keep the buff up?

[ionic fern]

You should be doing that passively already.

But yes.

[lilac jay]

Yes there are tanks en Masse out there. In a lot of queues there are more tanks than dps lol. (Doing +15/16 most of the time)

[ebon geyser]

Carry me senpai

I'm scared shitless to do m+

[ionic fern]

Why?

[ebon geyser]

Toxicity

[static aspen]

You are a tank. Why you ask another tank to carry you, makes no sense

[obsidian path]

Naaah

[ionic fern]

Just ignore it.

[obsidian path]

Just run keys

[bold turret]

Honestly toxicity gets better the higher the keylevel

[obsidian path]

You won't be the only one making mistakes anyway

[ebon geyser]

Is what make me not run keys

[static aspen]

This is true. Befriended rdruid on 15 key, great guy

[obsidian path]

Mute and carry on

[ebon geyser]

I play to chill not to be sweaty no lifer

[obsidian path]

Low level keys aren't sweaty

[bold turret]

Dps under 10s don't understand what went wrong typically

[ionic fern]

I don't think i've recieved ANY bit of actually constructive criticism while pugging.
Most of the criticism is usually coming from the DPS'ers who are doing less damage than me and failing mechanics..
They always go "SHIT TANK LEARN TO PULL".

But that's on them so i just laugh.

[ebon geyser]

Tell that to some ppl raging in 2s

[ionic fern]

Just

[obsidian path]

Mute and move on

[ionic fern]

Ignore

Dumb

People.

Easy.

That's what i do in this Discord every day.

[ebon geyser]

I need to do a world tour today

[bold turret]

You can always log your keys and if your flamed ask in here if you actually did anything wrong

[ebon geyser]

I just got to 70 on this guy

[obsidian path]

Start with +2s

Try to have fun

[uncut notch]

100% people in the “push” space expect to fail

[uncut notch]

This is how I earned my guild note - @strong forum ‘s …creative feedback 😂

[pallid quiver]

i'm one of them, i know it

[cinder storm]

That explains why mwahi barely posts

[pallid quiver]

The biggest issue with them expanding the ranges, I feel, is that more people will feel obligated to expand to higher difficulty content

in terms of "rewards needed for max ilvl gear from M+"

Since people who pushed past 15s and all were doing it because it's fun, so if they fucked up it was part of literally what they came to do,

While people whose goals it is to clear for loot, uh, don't like boo-boos because it means that they did not do what they came to do

There's obviously still some toxic behaviors beyond, whether from people naturally talented or what have you, but it's likely the base reason for the general trends of behavior

[ebon geyser]

i dont get why put stuff on 20s

15s are fine

[pallid quiver]

But yeah, just play, expect people to rage quit and leave mid-pull on boss if you pull two groups or you need them to interrupt a cast on themselves and they die because they don't

[ebon geyser]

is a handfull of ppl that gonna do 20s

[pallid quiver]

Specifically because they want to reward the people who push that high

People are going that high and they want to give incentives for people who only want to do that kind of content and to enable those people

There's definitely a non-zero chance that 20s just shake down to be the new 15s

[sick sentinel]

man i'm missing out

you people get all the meanies, all my people are nice

[digital frigate]

I instantly remove anyone from eu ragnaros from my group

[crude notch]

That or you don't let the meanies live rent free in your head.

[ebon geyser]

before i quited in sl i had someone in a group say u suk kys and i was like welp im out

[light mortar]

What gems do i want to put in my lariat?

[ebon geyser]

haste

is all about that juicy speed

[light mortar]

air ?

[pallid quiver]

Most people will legit just never say anything

People are conditioned to just, like, never talk in this game now

[limpid anchor]

So either make m+ not gear relevant, or make it free?

If you can’t do +20 you don’t need the gear anyway

[ebon geyser]

15 vault cap, 20s for mog /mounts

[limpid anchor]

So make m+ gear irrelevant, Kay

[warm plinth]

Haste/vers or haste/crit. Can also put a main stat/Haste gem. Use the gem with lower Haste if you want a Haste proc.

Gems *

[sweet summit]

idk i think it's fine to have max reward from keys be a bit higher
still miles easier than max reward from raid

[limpid anchor]

Yes, I would say a 20 key is easier than myth, especially bcs you don’t need 20 people

[sweet summit]

yep

[torn gulch]

The new m+ gearing reward system is way more superior than the old one. In my opinion there is only one thing missing from it and that is valor upgrade to 424 for equivalent rating to all 25's on fort and tyr.

[sweet summit]

valor should not go that high imo

[ebon geyser]

m+ should not reward raid lvl gear but thats my opinion

[warm plinth]

Why not

[sweet summit]

makes raid gear obsolete

[torn gulch]

like how many people would reach those requirements in the first place. It will not really affect mythic raiding.

[warm plinth]

No one raids?

[limpid anchor]

Why not?

[warm plinth]

Didn't we just have a race or something? 🤔

[torn gulch]

If you raid for gear and not for raiding itself then in my opinion you have a problem. Raiding is to get those achievements, guild rankings and the cosmetics associated with it, not the gear. Gear is whatever anyway.

[warm plinth]

Can someone tell me what M+ trinkets are comparable to grieftorch or all-totem rq? Since raid gear is obsolete.

[jade marsh]

May I ask if prot warrior needs Elemental Lariat?

Is it this BiS or no

[warm plinth]

Needs? No. But it's good.

It is the best necklace you can get, period.

[limpid anchor]

Late said that if valor upgrades go up to max myth ilvl

Not that raid gear in general is obsolete

[torn gulch]

People are saying that valor upgrades to 424 will invalidate raiding but how many people will have access to that in the first place. How many people do all 25's in a season in the first place.

[jade marsh]

Should I craft 1? or just wait to get a neckdrop on raid

[torn gulch]

You guys act like millions of people will have access to that.

[limpid anchor]

Yea if you need all 25s to upgrade it, it should be fine

People struggling with 15s currently

But we are only week 2, so ye

[torn gulch]

That is what I said earlier and someone was saying that it will end mythic raiding.

[keen star]

are they changing anything? I thought valor goes up to 415

[warm plinth]

It does

[torn gulch]

No we were just discussing

[limpid anchor]

That was a theoretical question

Or discussion

[torn gulch]

Or even raising depending on season to like 0.1% title range.

[limpid anchor]

Tbf i would rather do m+ then raiding. I partially raid bcs of gear

[torn gulch]

for those upgrades

[digital frigate]

I agree

[keen star]

depends who you ask but imo +25s are a way lower level of commitment than 8/8 mythic

[digital frigate]

I did the mythic raiding a while back and did a few CE

but it is business transaction

20 people is a pain to obtain. 4 people for mythic+ easier

[warm plinth]

If you're gonna lock it behind the .1% then there's no point in changing it. Those people all raid anyway.

[jade marsh]

Anyone got a list for BiS gear for prot warrior?

[blazing condor]

icyveins guide has one

[jade marsh]

I feel like the wowhead list is a scam hehe

[torn gulch]

There is no particular BiS list for prot warrior is a little bit more fluid.

[blazing condor]

hard to really define bis for us though

[torn gulch]

Depending on what stats you want to focus one etc

[blazing condor]

cus its ilvl (main stat) >>> haste > vers/crit > mastery

[sick sentinel]

Tbf there's slots for every tank that highest ilvl comes from m+ this season. So if anything it's the most balanced it's ever been.

[jade marsh]

Just prioritize verst haste then?

[blazing condor]

you prio strength

aka ilvl

[jade marsh]

okay and then vers haste? yeah?

[digital frigate]

@jade marsh You must sim things and check stat weights.

[keen star]

of course but you can have 2 items with the same ilvl

[torn gulch]

ilvl>haste>crit for gigachads/vers for scaredy cats<mastery

it was like that right

?

[blazing condor]

sim it if you want damage

[hazy sluice]

Got another question for you guys. Before launch it was said that due to the new m+ scaling a - let's say- +13 would be like a +15 in shadowlands. With all class tuning in mind, is that still realistically true ? Because I play only 3 dungeons a day and am already at +13 whilst in shadowlands it took me like 3 months to get to +15 with my premades ( eventho my heal sucked)

[sick sentinel]

Stat weights... MonkaS

[jade marsh]

Okay thanks

[sick sentinel]

There's a reason it's no longer a main option

On the website

[torn gulch]

scaling wise that is close because scaling went from 8% per level to 10% per level from 10 and above

[sweet summit]

not sure how the relative difficulty is but maybe you just improved and got better

[torn gulch]

that is why for example you can do ksm with 13's and 14's now

[hazy sluice]

But can we compare it that flat ? I feel like I get waaay stronger into m+ than it was in shadowlands s1

[torn gulch]

they changed the score metodology to reflect that scaling change

[sick sentinel]

You can't compare cross expansion

[torn gulch]

we have the talent system

[sick sentinel]

You can barely compare cross season within the same expansion

[torn gulch]

that makes us way stronger than in the past

because of the versatility of it

[keen star]

gearing up also changed, and we don't have the time gated borrowed power bs that made you weak in the beginning and strong later on

leggos, conduits and soulbinds

[hazy sluice]

Yeah thats what i thought. I was afraid that I wouldn't see a +15 until season 2 begins but with the progress from now on I could maybe even get to 20s

Eventho my premades need to improve. Still number 2 in overall dmg all the time

[keen star]

I crafted my 418 weapon in week 1, which would take me months to get in SL

[torn gulch]

I'll rip a very unpopular take in general but one singular system like artifact weapons or the neck essences was ok as long as the currency farming for it was weekly capped in order not to have degens farming non stop for it.

[keen star]

it was okay if you're a one-trick, as in not playing alts

[hazy sluice]

I like the item progression as it is now. Doing keys feels rewarding even for not timing them

[oblique kayak]

i found people are in general more competent then last exp ( those i invite) butch get a loooooot of flame if i decline people in the lfg tool. Insane

[keen star]

because it creates a big minimum time investment that you need to put into each alt before you can play it in meaningful content

[torn gulch]

lol it's your key yo do whatever you want
let them complain

[limpid anchor]

Nah bcs it always sucked for alts

[oblique kayak]

oh i do - ignore and move on. Just surprised

[limpid anchor]

If you want to play an alt it was an massive time invest just to get the artifact power

[torn gulch]

yes now it is better for everyone especially for people with alts

[keen star]

they just kind of made DF super expensive

[torn gulch]

there are no semipassive gold sources

[keen star]

if you want to min-max with 3 crafted item slots, and the weapon enchants

[torn gulch]

like callings or mission tables

and that is a problem

[keen star]

and ultimate potions of power

[torn gulch]

i don't buy rank 3 sophic devotion yet until i craft my 418 weapon because it's 100k

and i don't pay 100k for an enchant if i replace it soon.

[keen star]

you can pop it on the weapon while it's 405

[torn gulch]

it does not go away on recraft?

[keen star]

yes it stays

[torn gulch]

then that is what shall i do

[ebon geyser]

100k for an enchant wtf

[oblique kayak]

paid 160 for mine

[torn gulch]

it's because of the mats

[oblique kayak]

spend about 4mil so far lucky i still got lots

[torn gulch]

those orbs drop rate is so low

[keen star]

people are flipping and sniping the mats

[torn gulch]

if i get the orbs i can get it made in my guild for a fraction of the price

but i need to get the orbs and the drop rate is bad

but almost 1k main stat is so good

[keen star]

I bought rank 3 frozen devotion

[ebon geyser]

yay new crafting... 100k for an enchant fuk that

[keen star]

I assumed it's better in M+ and very close in raid

[oblique kayak]

it is isn’t it?

[keen star]

I hope so

[torn gulch]

new crafting is very good it's just that we don't have semipassive gold sources in DF

and it shows

[oblique kayak]

well if not it’s only 160 so 🤷‍♂️

[torn gulch]

it still has some problems

[keen star]

yea my gold is only going down with each food buff, phial and rune spent on M+

[torn gulch]

but it's a vast improvement over everything we have

[keen star]

I had to join nova and sylvanas again

[torn gulch]

you need the food buff embelishment

[ebon geyser]

for 100k it better come to my house and make dinner and shit

[torn gulch]

i have a guild mate that bought the enchant 3 times already

for every weapon they had

:))

300k gone in 2 weeks

[sick sentinel]

Just stop being poor 4head

[torn gulch]

yep that is what i was told as well

:))

[oblique kayak]

srsly farm for 1h are your good XD

[torn gulch]

yea you can still get 30-40k/h on double gathering with proper specialisations

[oblique kayak]

this

[torn gulch]

especially if you get titan touched plants and mines

[oblique kayak]

50-70 with right spec

[torn gulch]

yep rank 3 plants and mines go for a lot because they guarantee ranks

[oblique kayak]

or fish… 45k ph

made about 67 million on the westbound stoff

6-7

[keen star]

or just boost and get more than that per 1 dungeon, but it's annoying having to snipe your spot among all the other boosters

[oblique kayak]

*wrathion

[torn gulch]

the rings?

they were going for 2-3k a pop

before season started

[oblique kayak]

yeah

made so much money

[torn gulch]

people were paying millions for a rep which was not very important anyway

i was like wow

i did farm wrathion on true friend before season start and i still have the cloak but sabellian took me 3 weeks in total to get true friend without realy farming it only choosing him

[blazing condor]

how come everyone and their mom is lining up to do COS - getting 400 ilvl people applying for low keys

ring/ trinket?

[sweet summit]

that + ez key

[blazing condor]

trye

[keen star]

the stupid ring yep

[vocal nimbus]

how many trees do you manage to break in AV with the frontal?

[ionic fern]

Depends on how they spawn.

4-6

[vocal nimbus]

any tip positioning him?

[ionic fern]

?

What is there to do.

Look where the trees line up.

And position him facing that way.

😄

[vocal nimbus]

i try to get two in the middle and two in the exterior but the cone seems narrower than the sprite

[ionic fern]

I just position him to the sides.

There are more trees there usually.

Rarely i see a good tree cove in the middle.

[sweet summit]

something like this

[vocal nimbus]

appreciated 👏

[sick sentinel]

Are the green circles trees?

[sweet summit]

ya

[sick sentinel]

Or uh

Yeah

K

[sweet summit]

blue circles are usable boss positions with arrow indicating where it's facing

[sick sentinel]

Just treat it like underrot boss ez life

[slate perch]

what haste should i be aiming for

[sweet summit]

however much you can get without dropping ilvl on armor pieces

jewelry is fine to drop some ilvl for haste

[slate perch]

399 18% haste 31% hatse 19% mastery 10% vers

18% crit

[sweet summit]

how do u have that much haste

what the heck

[spark cedar]

hax

[slate perch]

🫠

[sweet summit]

fr

[keen star]

ITF in town?

[limpid anchor]

Way more haste than me :(

[keen star]

he probably has ITF stacks on

[slate perch]

XD

thats 31% without itf

[keen star]

eng helmet or a haste trinket?

[keen star]

valor that melandrus ring

[slate perch]

i have

its got a socket aswell

[sweet summit]

must be nice

[keen star]

btw you still had a haste rune on I see

how much is it without that

[slate perch]

oh so i did

[sweet summit]

haste rune is like 2.3% or something

maybe less

idr

[slate perch]

397ilvl 30% haste

[keen star]

dayum

[limpid anchor]

Ultra wide = more haste

[slate perch]

if i put the 2 set primal dtorm shit on 34%

[keen star]

I'm not sure if ultra wide or just a half-monitor picture

[slate perch]

half monitor

[keen star]

ultrawide is overrated anyway

[slate perch]

if i go for ilvl its 399 and 29%

[keen star]

ye just go for what sims the best

[slate perch]

siming on a tank?

[sweet summit]

yea

you can sim for dps as a tank

[slate perch]

tbf i seem to get slapped in raids and tyranical

[limpid anchor]

What level tho

[slate perch]

i think thats more my skill lvl though

[unreal lily]

Hey guys last week everyone said tier above all. If I get tier in the LFR a lot and not the mythic+ slot should I still take it even though it would be 20 ilvl lower?

[slate perch]

heroic

[limpid anchor]

I will answer when you make a real screenshot

[slate perch]

and like i havent been able to get a group that can do more than a 14

[unreal lily]

LOL

[keen star]

for some people Discord is just a phone app

[slate perch]

i just dont get invited to anthing higher and if i do i out dps the dps or heal the healer

i cant get my io higher than 1800

[unreal lily]

Anyone else able to answer based on the poverty screenshot? Lol

[limpid anchor]

Idk with that gear heroic doesn’t do anything

And you should be able todo 18s just fine

[slate perch]

yeah i feel like it but i just cant get groups

[keen star]

I did shadowmoon +20 on a 397 bear tank, I only died every other trash pull

[mystic warren]

probably not as a few weeks from now you'll be able to turn those higher ilvl items into tier pieces themselves

[unreal lily]

Ok thank you!

[keen star]

push your own key, be picky and only invite meta classes like druid healer, rogue, DH, enh shaman

and demo warlock

[sweet summit]

is enh sham meta??

[slate perch]

i try that but always seem to get shafted

a good enh shamman can pump

[mystic warren]

it gives me wf so it is meta in my heart

[slate perch]

i play it a little on the side

[sweet summit]

a good x spec can pump too

[keen star]

yes cement is one of the top ranked in the raid but I like it mostly for BL and purge

[slate perch]

true

[keen star]

and it's another attack power class that we buff by 5%

[limpid anchor]

shaman is nice for utility

[sweet summit]

i'm not sold on shaman

[limpid anchor]

knock up, 2 stuns, insane heal cd, one of the highest dps

enh slaps :)

[mystic warren]

stoneskin totem is probably also a pretty good utility nowadays

[sweet summit]

if i could have my way i would play with WW, rogue and dk

[warm plinth]

It must be pretty decent since one of the top teams in the world plays with one

[mystic warren]

idk about all bosses but melandrus for example does physical dam with slicing maelstrom right?

[keen star]

your other BL options are mage (usually below tank in DPS) or evoker/hunter (lots of unskilled players on those classes)

[lusty tiger]

Dk dps?

[keen star]

having BL is meta

[warm plinth]

No one said it was meta. Just that it was good

[sweet summit]

ya

i love death grip

[slate perch]

whats better the ilv from belt and wrists or the 5% haste?

[keen star]

yes I meant it as some examples, not what's the undisputed best comp

I guess hunters are also fine to pug with

[ionic fern]

Hunters

Fall over

If you look at them wrongly.

[median tulip]

Also, as far as lust availability goes, Surv and BM are not in a good place, and MM doesn't want to be your luster

[ionic fern]

Evoker.

[median tulip]

A well played Evoker is great. But there's like 3 of those

[ionic fern]

Idk, my usual healer who has almost never touched Evoker did just fine yesterday in the +10's we did with 340 ilvls.

😂

Can't be that hard then

[median tulip]

Evoker is getting the Hunter problem that a lot of people are attracted to the class on vibes but don't actually know how to play

[hazy sluice]

Finding good players in low keys is generally hard

Because the good ones are already way higher than my +13 keys

Not everyone has ambitions with only 2 hours possible playtime a day like me

Dad life sad life

[median tulip]

Teach your kid to play healer

[hazy sluice]

In 11 years maybe

But then I may not be on par anymore cuz of lagging brain

[cerulean spear]

do we like this ?

or this

more

for m+

[hidden axle]

Deco p sure

[strong forum]

Ye decoration will do more dmg

[cerulean spear]

THANKS nomeratur always can count on u

also brucey

thx

still cant really rely on subcreation for trinket choice because people are using wtvr they have u know

unless theres a PWAR trinket tierlist idk about

[vocal nimbus]

a mix of common sense and simulations

[cerulean spear]

its the common sense part im lacking

but something i learn everytime i ask nomeratur something he answer well this does more damage

[vocal nimbus]

deco serves also as a good defensive

[cerulean spear]

looool so im just gonna go for damage from now on

[lost canyon]

what gems are you guys using on the Lariant neck? Idk if I should proc on haste or verse

[cerulean spear]

@strong forum same question here im hitting 30% haste should i at some point switch my lariant to Verse?

or just sim wtvr does most damage 😛

hes gonna answer that isn't he

[torn gulch]

he's gonna answer crit not verse

knowing nome

he hates vers as a stat in general

[ionic fern]

Sim yourself.

[bold linden]

For m+, ist Frozen or wafting devotion enchant in weapon better? I guess waft is more defense and Frozen more offensive?

[glass spear]

I think sophic is better than both and it gives you both offense and defense, this is feelycraft tho

[ionic fern]

Frozen sims the highest for me.

So i go frozen.

[sweet summit]

[mortal brook]

[jagged pier]

When u reach higher ilvl sophic sims more i think

[jagged pier]

U for sure ither keep haste or go crit

[ionic fern]

Idk, will see.

I'm still like 396.

[jagged pier]

Well i went to sim myself but im still pvp gear

Havent logged in in 2 days

[ionic fern]

Already raid logging?:D

[still flame]

Guys, can you suggest some guide on Tank m+ tips? Some mechanics, I feel like im doing something wrong, making some bosses unnecessarily harder.

for bosses I mean.

[jagged pier]

No christmas stuff big family 3rd day of different ppl coming, but its good to not feel like im falling behind by not logging in

[sweet summit]

every second you're not doing keys you're forever behind 👻

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-way-dude-no-oh-bugs-bunny-bugs-gif-22941840

[sweet summit]

frozen sims higher for me

[blazing condor]

its weird to see mwahi actually play the game now

[jagged pier]

Only wish dog was then 5 prot keys again

[prisma echo]

Lads do we have our internat bis list for prots? Besides icyveins/wowhead

[sweet summit]

no

[prisma echo]

like we have talents

[blazing condor]

but i am playing

im just a little behind

im 386 or smth

[jagged pier]

[blazing condor]

guild died so no raiding

[jagged pier]

No such thing as a bis list anymore

[sweet summit]

sophic not that far off tho

[jagged pier]

[ionic fern]

Jeh, i'm actually enjoying myself.

[jagged pier]

382 wep tho

[ionic fern]

Doing m+ with friends and raiding.

[sweet summit]

true

[blazing condor]

im doing some m+ with friends that about it

but no pushing atm

[ionic fern]

N00b

[sweet summit]

:(((

[formal grail]

Went from 364 to 376 in the span of one raid night and 2m+, pretty happy

[ionic fern]

Je, we ain't pushing either.
Just learning the dungeons/routes.

Doing like 15-19 keys etc.

[jagged pier]

Aint pushing man got a 19 key

🤔

[ionic fern]

Having a 19 key doesn't mean we'll time it tho.

[sweet summit]

even with 405 weapon frozen sims higher

[sweet summit]

u 3 chest it

ez for u

[formal grail]

What’s the affixes for coming week then? I still live in grievous bursting hell

[blazing condor]

blue name = +2

[ionic fern]

Seeing how we spent a hour on +18 CoS i doubt it.

😂

[sweet summit]

sanguine something

[jagged pier]

Saguine volcanic hell

[sweet summit]

pog week

[formal grail]

Oh that’s one level of hell less

[jagged pier]

With those tight coridors

And fort

[ionic fern]

My CoS experience: "Oh great, 10+ minutes left and we're already at the last boss!!!"
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand we're here for 30+ minutes.

[jagged pier]

Or at least i think its volcanic

[sweet summit]

nah bro it's better than fort raging i don't mind

XD

[blazing condor]

says volcanic in my schedule

[jagged pier]

We have more gear now but yer its better than raging fort

Till your stuck ina corridor and heal all the mobs to full again

[sweet summit]

skill issue 😎

[ionic fern]

What corridor?:(

[sweet summit]

RLP and AV i guess?

[ionic fern]

AV mobs dash around so much that you don't even have to move them yourself.

😂

[sweet summit]

[ionic fern]

Though my Fury plays spear.

[sweet summit]

defo a roar angle next week

for fury

unless mobs last long enough

[jagged pier]

Tjs

[sweet summit]

for spear to not be int

[ionic fern]

WHICH REMINDS ME.

Haunting Gaze.

[sweet summit]

block it

[ionic fern]

Tbh i did use Spell Block for TJS,Nokhud and RLP.

[sweet summit]

i don't run it in nokhud usually

[ionic fern]

I did.

[sweet summit]

just temple, rlp and hov

[ionic fern]

Cause THEY CAN'T PURGE THE BOSS.

[sweet summit]

AAAAAAAAA

[ionic fern]

We had a mage/DH

I told them "Purge the boss"

Both went "OK"

0 purges.

Luckily we can just run out / SR and waste half the duration of it

But still.

And we had a 1% wipe on the Nokhud last boss yesterday because the Shaman decided to position the boss Charge at the edge of the arena causing the boss to charge out and reset.

[sweet summit]

no waY

it can reset itself??

that is hilarious

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[sweet summit]

holy shit

[ionic fern]

It was horrific.

😂

[prisma echo]

Ruby whelp trinket changed on wowhead from A to B tier

[jagged pier]

It bad

[ionic fern]

What am i doing with this information?

[prisma echo]

Just informing because i was looking at that tierlist week ago and it was bis (tbh its still presented as BIS on wowhead) but on tierlist its B from A+

maybe someone have same thing

and can change

[ionic fern]

Sim yourself.

[prisma echo]

even as tank?

[ionic fern]

Yes.

If you're satisfied by just staying alive and holding threat as a tank you're doing your job only at 50% efficiency.

[prisma echo]

ill sim myselft then 🙂

[fallen pulsar]

Prot is basically a dps with a very fat shield, our kit gives us enough survivability so itemizing for damage is better (imo)

So simming helps with gearing decisions

[torpid junco]

Is tossing on tier gloves that are 13 ilvl lower with worse secondary worth gaining 2 set?

[digital frigate]

2 set is nice and the -4% is very noticeable. Is it the upgradable version and do you have a group to complete raids with?

Or are you solo?

[torpid junco]

I don’t raid

Just pugged a random boss and happen to get the gloves

[still flame]

Can anyone recommend a source for m+ boss specific TANK tips? or even better, prot war tips? Thanks

[blazing condor]

i just now realised that the weapon on the "Grievous" icon is in fact a sword

and not a double bladed axe

only took me 12 years

[storm merlin]

https://tanknotes.com/

[uneven turtle]

Is there a specific race that is a stand out for m+ tanking?

[storm merlin]

Dwarf/Dark iron
But being a specific race is such a tiny optimisation that it really, really doesn't matter

[uneven turtle]

ok so i can be tauren and not feel like im being bad xD?

[blazing condor]

yes

[storm merlin]

If you wanna be a tauren, go ahead and be a tauren

[uneven turtle]

Ty

[peak badger]

Im playing dark iron and it feels pretty good to dispel something that ur healer cant. In AA+20 the poison dot from tree lil adds hurt af

I just log horde toon to spam trade

[storm merlin]

^

[peak badger]

U can get horde to craft for ur ally toon

[storm merlin]

Just sucks that you have to log a horde character to find them

[oblique remnant]

I did the pro gamer move of playing night born, absolute dog racials

[carmine rain]

Can you mail gold on the same server to your own character opposite faction toon?

[jaunty inlet]

How do Prot Warriors make that much "Healing Done" in M+? Just witch Leech and Ignore Pain?

[storm merlin]

ye

[carmine rain]

No way...

That's awesome

Changing to dwarf now

[storm merlin]

ono

Dwarf is the worst looking race

[sweet summit]

that + indomitable

[oblique remnant]

Low key female dark iron kinda bad tho

[sweet summit]

the more damage you take the more healing you'll do

it's not a good metric to look at

[mortal brook]

not so fast

[storm merlin]

I stand by what I said

[carmine rain]

Bis dwarf

[blazing condor]

For azure vault do you need to kill every pack on the first ring to teleport or can you choose like on the 2nd one

[storm merlin]

you don't need the patrols

[sweet summit]

all

or jump

[mortal brook]

need to kill all 3 genies for the books to appear but could jump or miss pats

[blazing condor]

ok thx

[jaunty inlet]

I see, tyvm

[blazing condor]

also we go haste on academy?

[storm merlin]

Unless something sims higher and you're doing low enough keys you can get away with padding

[tired forge]

am i crazy or is this still showing shadowlands m+

[storm merlin]

Hmm.. It might be.

not sure if it's going to be updated or not.. @gaunt dawn ?

[deep dove]

Why are people crafting bracers typically?

[storm merlin]

thanks panthea ❤️

[gaunt dawn]

TLDR - Sessa had a baby

and is busy with that

[quartz ridge]

Best race? Dwarf i assume

[peak badger]

Engi CR

[nimble laurel]

Does that count as an embellishment?

[cosmic lichen]

how are a lot of you gemming to get the lariat bonuses?

[tame jasper]

no its a tinker "gem"

and its useable by everyone

[nimble laurel]

Do the bracers require a spark?

[tame jasper]

yes like all gear

this resets gives us the 3rd spark

[mortal brook]

@spice crystal smh priorities

[tired forge]

what eng gem are ppl doing?

[quiet monolith]

What is proper tree boss mechanic ? I've read it different various places. Are you supposed to stack and mass aoe as soon as adds are targetable ? And cc the tree ?

[sweet summit]

stack and move as a group for add spawns

cleave them down

[vocal nimbus]

cds on 2nd add wave

[sweet summit]

kill tree to remove nasty bleed

[tired forge]

quazii posted this yesterday

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaJu2vQ0QX8

[vocal nimbus]

if your party doesnt know how to cleanse venom kite

[sweet summit]

i would never enter an academy without a poison dispell

[oblique garnet]

If you have a shaman saying he can do it its a bait dont trust it

[sweet summit]

LOL

[sick sentinel]

truly rainbowman

[oblique garnet]

Poison cleansing totem only removes one stack

[sweet summit]

[still flame]

But there arent any DF M+?

[sweet summit]

@still flame

[still flame]

Thanks!

[patent hull]

Hey it's new spark day.;

[somber sky]

it's new spark every fort week pog

[patent hull]

Can't decide if I want to craft the PvP boots or the Fury bracers

[somber sky]

giga push week with all the gear

heroic raid gear from weekly, 418 profession items, and 418 vault

[still flame]

Thank you 🙂

[patent hull]

Probably bracers since I usually raid as dps and tank M+.

[plush tendon]

Im eyeing a ring or engineering bracers

[sick sentinel]

is that really the best way to get cobalt rep is just join a farm group and sit there killing same mobs for few hours? im on medium 2 bars in atm,

gives me a purple ring for epic acheivement

[keen star]

is there any reason to open the heroic raid chest in Prot loot instead of fury or arms?

[plush tendon]

Cause this will be the week I get rid of my 1 piece

[minor helm]

Yes

[plush tendon]

[sick sentinel]

blehh

[oak echo]

make sure you bought the 30% rep item from when you hit low

err not item, but it's like a talent you buy with resources

[sweet summit]

if you wanna gamble for weapon/shield/kurog trinket

[gaunt dawn]

This Quazii academy guide is a bit iffy

[sick sentinel]

no idea what taht is

[keen star]

it took me 1 hour on my prot warrior, make sure to buy the 30% rep boost and ALWAYS take the "Fun Detected" torghast power which makes nearby enemies drop more rep

[oak echo]

👍

[blazing condor]

didnt think quazii still did wow content

[plush tendon]

People coming out of the woodwork for DFlight

[edgy grail]

Ohh Hi Panthea

[keen star]

already crafted/HC/HC, so I guess I'm opening as Arms

[sweet summit]

[still flame]

Could I ask, what is the expected DPS of a prot war when compared to other DPSers in m+? Here is a screenshot of completed Jade +11. Depleted by 1 minute, my ilvl is 370.

[ionic roost]

421 vault gear

[edgy grail]

Jesus that dps from your dps is like way too low

[plush tendon]

yea

tank DPS aint the issue

[gaunt dawn]

Tree boss TLDR:

• Use defensives for burst forth
• Lust the first burst forth with CDs
• Second burst forth defensives & 2x Shocking Disclosure Pots
• Third burst forth defensives, DPS CDs & 1x Shocking Disclosure Pot
• Fourth burst forth defensives & 2x Shocking Disclosure Pot

[oak echo]

is the rest of your group 340

[edgy grail]

You can easily do more than all of them

[sick sentinel]

are most of you pwar mains taking the DPS or TANK ring from cobatl?

[edgy grail]

Like tank should be doing 30-35k lol

[plush tendon]

damage

[edgy grail]

At a minimum

[plush tendon]

[blazing condor]

yer

[keen star]

you gotta be doing like +20 tyrannical to get 3 add phases no

[sick sentinel]

yeah, like which one do you guys equip

if you prot first

dps second

[gaunt dawn]

ya we got third add wave on 19 tyran

[edgy grail]

No you can do a 12 with shit group too 😂

[gaunt dawn]

and kill mini tree ideally as the add wave finishes to full heal after burst

but you can kill before to remove bleeds

[sick sentinel]

im wondering how the tank ring is somehow bad

[edgy grail]

3rd is easy tho you can ignore as long as you kill before 4th

[still flame]

I should be that?

[sick sentinel]

im trying to prevent buying tank ring and then its not cost effective

[gaunt dawn]

by finishes i mean they pop up

[still flame]

thats what I wanted to know. So what is the classic mistake? Apart from pulling smaller packs. Due to lower experience and etc.

[keen star]

because prot war by default is so tanky we're constantly at 100% hp

[still flame]

The rest of the grp was about 385

[plush tendon]

its unnecessary, not bad persay

[ionic roost]

With a bit more gear yea

[edgy grail]

You’re a bit low ilvl so not sure but most tanks are at a minimum doing that yes

[somber sky]

2 weeks in and I still have 376 shoulders. I can't get one to drop for the life of me

[edgy grail]

And dps should be like 50-60k+

[gaunt dawn]

over a key i'd expect a tank to be between 30-50k dps

[somber sky]

then again dungeons that drop shoulders aren't the best ones rn

(except hov prolly)

[edgy grail]

Depends on dungeon ofc

[gaunt dawn]

as a ballpark

[edgy grail]

We have some peeps 100k+ in AA

[keen star]

try to group up with some plates that would trade them to you

[gaunt dawn]

routing, dungeon etc

[sick sentinel]

i already have uhhh 395? i think? im 880 ish io

[ionic roost]

And Tyrannical vs fort,

[sick sentinel]

valor shoulders

set ones

[ebon geyser]

hello there fren

[solar blade]

seeing this dps makes me sick..the 1,8k dps from the heal is just urgh..

[still flame]

Ah ok. I will watch some Trell then in the next few days, to get a better grasp

[keen star]

I already looted like 5 shoulders from CoS and 0 rings

[somber sky]

dps should 100% be above 56k or you're in an int group.

[solar blade]

true^

[still flame]

Well, yes ofc. My hardcore days are over, so I lowered my expectations from others as well

[somber sky]

end of this season expected overall dps should be 80k+

[gaunt dawn]

On keys i was doing last night 19/20s i was around 42k DPS on Veng DH

[keen star]

dps depends heavily on dungeon, pull size and overall pace/wipes

[gaunt dawn]

which has less dps than prot warrior

[edgy grail]

Damage for DPS also depends a lot on the tank 🙂

[gaunt dawn]

ya

if you're pulling light

dont expect good numbers

[solar blade]

@still flame these dps numbers remind me of a holypriest i had one day in a taza gambit run, the dude legit did 700dps and applied sw:p to 1 boss and did not even reapply..

[gaunt dawn]

keep track of your DPS CDs

so you know when you can double/triple pull

[keen star]

OmniCD to the rescue

[somber sky]

S1 SL, I remember doing keys with an hpal who would do 0 dps by end of dungeon.

[edgy grail]

DPS CDs are basically tank defensives

[sick sentinel]

i need to figure out which currency i need to buy that ring

[somber sky]

i'm talking high m+ keys

[solar blade]

heal only types of healer are the worst

[gaunt dawn]

just bad healers

[plush tendon]

IDK bout yall, but us timing keys isnt about damage.... its just about people not falling over XD

[mortal brook]

Mw that wont apply touch debuff

[somber sky]

well she quit anyway :v

[keen star]

250 gold

[mortal brook]

Love it

[gaunt dawn]

the thing that's tilting me this xpac

are people not using AoE stops

[minor helm]

Had a dragon healer yesterday do 900 dps before we left cause he also couldn’t heal through nokhuud lightning boss

[gaunt dawn]

every spec has like 2/3

[minor helm]

[sick sentinel]

oh, i thought it might be like, 10k each or like, a bunch of some farm it out shit

[keen star]

just 4/5 rep

[ionic roost]

You mean not even talenting them

[somber sky]

raging tempest is literally a ligma contest

[sick sentinel]

10 deer horns 20 rat tails and a magic ball

[gaunt dawn]

no, they have em

cos im tracking em

[somber sky]

but also dragons suck in that dungeon period

[gaunt dawn]

so like an evoker healer who never uses the tail swipe

[sick sentinel]

im this much the way

[gaunt dawn]

to do an AoE stop

[keen star]

MRT is the best for tracking CCs because you can search for spells to activate by category

[ionic roost]

My favorite is when a Balance Druid says they can't take beam cause it's a 10% dam loss, but then they only do like 45k dps

[gaunt dawn]

ya i've made multiple MRT groups

one for interrupts, one for AoE stops, one for purges

[keen star]

OmniCD has built in interrupt bars and the icon changes based on what they kicked :poggies:

[sick sentinel]

the very best ability for m+ fort

[gaunt dawn]

just noticed binding & hunter purge are in the wrong categories 😄

[sick sentinel]

there used to be a time i thought the cast time would screw you over.... nah...

[oblique garnet]

Hunkowo? Is he still playing

[gaunt dawn]

ofc

[keen star]

highmountain tauren is better because it's not on stun DR

and it's not target capped

[sick sentinel]

academy is a free key to me now i think, it seems very easy, just kills alot of people

[gaunt dawn]

kill tree

[sick sentinel]

like thats that one im least scared of

[gaunt dawn]

and the rest is free

[sick sentinel]

even doing the large pink mana wyrms isn't so bad

pretty obvious effect to not stand in

[keen star]

yep snakes are easy while the elementals + battleaxe + sceptre packs are scary

[plush tendon]

I started avoiding all of the arcane stuff; kill the bare minimum in that zone just to get to the boss coming from the direction of the buff guys

then I pull the remaining 40% in dragon dudes

[sick sentinel]

sanguine makes this a very good week to bring DK friend soley for grip

[keen star]

or resto druids if they ever pick typhoon

[plush tendon]

Sanquine in temple scares me

at least... in that library

[sick sentinel]

dk is more garunteed to help, ring of peace is very helpfull too

but, dk grip is the most helpful

[keen star]

I'm probably depleting lots of keys that reset with how many casters and archers blizzard put into the new dungeons

[sick sentinel]

i dunno where would take one away, but this is a perfect opportunity to try this

[keen star]

maybe from impenetrable wall?

[plush tendon]

I've found some uses for Disrupting Shout (its really good on Dethea's add plateform if you dont have a DK in your group)

theres just so much in the prot tree I want though

[keen star]

oh what's the disrupting shout radius

[sick sentinel]

its on the tool tip picture

[keen star]

haha I'm on VPN so the picture is just poop on my work laptop but I'll check it on my phone

[sweet summit]

14y

[keen star]

14 is good, thanks

[plush tendon]

says 14 yards; for like a better idea its big enough to hit at least 5/6 of the adds on the Dethea plateform if youve done the heroic fight

[sick sentinel]

oih, its 14yards

[frosty mango]

I find academy easy as war tank because we have 90 stuns

You can basically solo all the irritating shit on trash

[sweet summit]

ye

feel like a rogue with all my stops

[sick sentinel]

birds pack is a bit scary with bursting

[sweet summit]

very epic

[plush tendon]

Academy is a pretty fair dungeon

[frosty mango]

Same with rlp

[sick sentinel]

cuz u get 3 packs of more than 3-4 birds

[frosty mango]

Though high fort rlp is a little sketchy

[sick sentinel]

which really fucks up a group with bursting left unchcked

[plush tendon]

You know what the issue with RLP is? Everyone in your group gets their ass minced and even with some nerfs its got a bad rep now

so anytime you get a 16 RLP and like 'who wants to do my key' its radio silent

[sick sentinel]

its not my favorite dungeon to run

[frosty mango]

Rlp imo is literally fine, all the nasty damage comes from avoidable shit like flame dance and cinderbolt

[sick sentinel]

can you imagine tornadoes tyranical boss 2 RLP?

that sounds horriffic to me

[frosty mango]

The fire dragon can be ugly but you can skip him

[edgy grail]

The last boss is not all avoidable damage

[frosty mango]

Last boss is pretty easy if you just melt the dragon

[edgy grail]

It’s a lot of healing and a lot of movement

[lime rivet]

19 tyrannical tree right before reset

[tired forge]

damn grats

[frosty mango]

A lot of the last boss damage on rlp is avoidable people are just dumb and stand in the fire dot

[sick sentinel]

the stuff you die to on the final boss is avoidable on final boss rlp

[tired forge]

i hate the first boss of RLP

[edgy grail]

No it’s not lol

[tired forge]

healers seem to struggle hard.....

[edgy grail]

In the last phase you get 3 dots out

Without touching any

[somber sky]

those 3 dots are telegraphed. healers know about it

[sick sentinel]

i know its not exactly rita flameflux or whatever from motherload, there is another example i cant think of same mechanic but area wide

[somber sky]

what makes it a fuckfest is when everyone starts walking on the already placed puddles

[edgy grail]

We literally didnt get a single extra dot since we went clunter closewise

[sick sentinel]

they do crap on the ground, crap gets blown off the map by wind literally

[edgy grail]

Counter clockwise

[sick sentinel]

so, that boss is mostly easy to me, cuz i did BFA KS M

[frosty mango]

The dot is from any avoidable fire damage

[edgy grail]

LMFAOO

Idk what autocorrect was trying to do there

[frosty mango]

It's called inferno core, I don't find it terrible if people understand how the wind works and don't get pushed into fire puddles. Melt the dragon and ez win

[sick sentinel]

thats a good job mr 19 academy

[frosty mango]

Big keys in here

[sick sentinel]

you know why they call it academy? cuz your gunna get schooled

[edgy grail]

No it’s not

You get the circle on you and get a dot

You get extra dots if you walk in

[sick sentinel]

game broken guys, cant log in, got kicked off,.... WTF, must be a bug report to blizzard

[frosty mango]

You also get stacks from the dragons fire spit

[edgy grail]

Yes lol

[frosty mango]

But the majority of the damage is largely avoidable if people just don't stand in shit

[edgy grail]

You literally said the dot is avoidable

[frosty mango]

Stacking it is avoidable

[edgy grail]

Which literally means you dont know how the fight works

[somber sky]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ySZtZ_4AK0
anyone else verify if this is the play here?

[keen star]

did you get stuck on a rock or something? try spamming spacebar while loading in or use the Character unstuck service

[mellow quartz]

He is just trolling

It’s NA maintenance

[somber sky]

nah b u got b&. I'm in already

[keen star]

still a good tip in case anyone didn't know

[edgy grail]

Ohh fuck this makes sense we had someone die snd couldnt kill it so we ran through and then saw it randomly drop off of us

[lyric geode]

Guys, I am stack.

[sick sentinel]

warlock gate tech

this is just begging for warlock or priest or rogue or druid utility spells

[lyric geode]

To be more precise, I find myself playing the tank with my friends. Since we are 5 people, I decided that I should go tank. But right now, I want to test a few other class. More precisely I want to play a bit of hunter.

[edgy grail]

Evoker taxi

[oak echo]

why? the whole point of the video is that you don't need any of those

[sick sentinel]

what, he just W's through it?

[sweet summit]

does m0 damage basically

[oak echo]

yes

[somber sky]

yeah that's what he did

[edgy grail]

Yes

[sick sentinel]

i thought i saw he did a leaper

oh okay

[oak echo]

the warrior did but not the rest of the group

[somber sky]

I guess they will scale it with key and this would be nerfed then

[sick sentinel]

i thought the wall was a 1 shot

[slim dove]

nope

[edgy grail]

I thought so too until we had people die and didnt make it

[sweet summit]

ticks for like 36k on an 18 iirc

[somber sky]

only thing that "1shot" you is the rdps mechanic

[lyric geode]

I just want to know how to get away with that position I am myself stuck

[somber sky]

everything else is baby damaj

[flat jackal]

How the duck do you guys tank the last boss of cos to not make everyone die?

[sick sentinel]

i swear to god i tried it on like a +2 key or +5 and it just 1 shot me instant death,

[sweet summit]

so you can easily play around that

[sweet summit]

have a good healer

[somber sky]

your block was down then

[sweet summit]

have a ranged bait clones ontop of eachother

[flat jackal]

They keep claiming that it still does damage like they’re close even when they’re far

[sick sentinel]

could have been block was down

[flat jackal]

So I have no idea what to tell them

[somber sky]

I swear, i'm not even kidding. Our group's healer made a fuckin spreadsheet with defensive timers for last boss

everyone ran the tanking ring from cobalt

[edgy grail]

Yea we do that sometimes

[sweet summit]

if someone is standing near the clone stack then they are begging to die

[edgy grail]

We did the for plaguefall a while bsck

A little ERT note 👍

[flat jackal]

I’m saying they’re not standing close but they’re taking damage like they are @.@

[edgy grail]

Actually helps a lot 😂

[somber sky]

he also used his death on purpose to immune a set for the AoE and come back to life with his talents

priest btw

[flat jackal]

Insane

[sick sentinel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1057306403989102632/image.png

i'll get on it soon enough

[somber sky]

cobalt legit takes 1.5 hrs to farm. If you aren't doing that then it's kinda cringe.

maybe 2.5 if you're lazy

[sweet summit]

i'm not sure how the boss should work, but image maelstroms hit twice as hard as boss maelstrom no matter what

[somber sky]

or unlucky with trash group + buffs

[sick sentinel]

probably tagging wrong mobs

[slim dove]

images are doing double what they should

[sick sentinel]

i also need to look at how to do the other reputation right above it

[oak echo]

all the mobs work the same. the only way it really goes slow is

1. you don't buy the 30% rep talent
2. you're trying to do it solo

[sick sentinel]

that rep is still yellow bar

[sweet summit]

yeah not much you as a tank can do about that

[steady steppe]

I hate how Its so hard to see piercing gale

[somber sky]

if you're doing it solo, play fury.

When they're fully buffed fury owns and can solo anything

[steady steppe]

Half the time my healer gets clapped by it

[sweet summit]

it's always from adds through boss so visualize it and dodge with your 6th sense

[steady steppe]

O I see

[somber sky]

which boss does piercing gale?

[sweet summit]

last boss

[steady steppe]

Last boss CoS

[flat jackal]

So just don’t stand close to the clones at all?

[somber sky]

ohh yeah my friends turn graphics to 10 lmao

[mellow quartz]

You wanna be 7 yards from the clones and the boss during the aoe.

[sweet summit]

don't stand near clones when maelstrom is cast, yeah
but even if you are "out of range" it still fucks

[sick sentinel]

any reason i want to go after artisans consortium rep?

[oak echo]

what level keys are we talking where it's an issue in CoS? did a 16 earlier and i guess i didn't notice that it felt like it was hitting insanely hard but maybe key level too low. and has it been doing that since season start?

[oak echo]

it's a profession rep. if you're not doing professions you won't get it or use it

[sweet summit]

that's all relative to player skill

[mellow quartz]

Did a 19 where a resto shaman couldn’t heal the aoe with everyone standing away from clones and boss.

[sick sentinel]

thats a prior screeshot cuz im the middle rep for cobalt 1 above that

[mellow quartz]

COS is just a key of ‘can you live last boss’ and you time it.

[sweet summit]

yeah

[steady steppe]

Cause u can buy specialization points based on how much rep u have if u don't care about that then no

[plush tendon]

We did a 18 Court this week; everyone died but I was able to solo the last 15% so we could time. We sort of noticed that damage from Maelstorm on the last boss sort of levels out (and maybe decreases) after the 4th cast but arent really sure

[mellow quartz]

Stops at 5 images

[sick sentinel]

i can tell you for sure its more like 14 12 14 17 on the blue bar reps now

[plush tendon]

cause that damage does fuck (and turns my healer guildies into scared kittens)

[mellow quartz]

First few maelstroms are easy with a couple of images up

Hard part is when all 5 are up

[plush tendon]

I dont think 5 clones are up past the 4th cast though

[mellow quartz]

At 5 images the oldest despawns

[slim dove]

also, tree miniboss at first boss 🙂

[plush tendon]

unless Im just totally wrong

[mellow quartz]

5 stays up all fight

[plush tendon]

[tired forge]

no way

they nerfed it

i farmed it like 2 hours and im 400 into level 4

[mellow quartz]

In a group?

[tired forge]

its my 3rd char and i jsut said fuck it

ya

it was a good group too, liek packs of 30 were dropping 15 of the thing

[sick sentinel]

i just farm cobalt in my off tiem

after i done keys after i done WQ

[tired forge]

i would say its like a 4 hour farm now and it sucks

at least for me

[plush tendon]

I did cobalt once for my main

[steady steppe]

Shoulda done it when it took 30 minutes

[plush tendon]

aint no way im doing it again

[tired forge]

i did

on my 2 other chars

then they nerfed DH to the ground

[sweet summit]

it caps at 4 no?

[plush tendon]

I have no clue

[mellow quartz]

Pretty sure it’s 5 total with boss

[plush tendon]

I think I just need some copium for the healers out there who are scared of that boss

[mellow quartz]

So yeah 4 clones

[sick sentinel]

welll to be fair, im sure if you REALLY wanted to go get it, you could probably get it in about 6 hours from zero starting at main city

[sweet summit]

yeah sorry, 4 clones + boss

[sick sentinel]

im torn if i like the fire one or not

if it didn't sett off gtfo maybe

[mellow quartz]

The main thing people fuck up is standing in melee range of the boss even while being away from the clones

That just adds extra damage being inside 7 yards of him as well

[oak echo]

did not know that

[mellow quartz]

Spell text literally says 7 yards does increased damage

[sick sentinel]

im just gunna go there and kill a million of those fuckers till they give me the rep i need and go get the ring(s) and never think about it again

only have uhhh 1900 ish rep to go atm

[plush tendon]

at least its fort this week 🙂

[sweet summit]

thank the lord :yejoice:

[plush tendon]

and the lads are starting to get geared

[sick sentinel]

fort and not raging

[oak echo]

i believe it just never looked at that spell in particular thinking all the damage was unavoidable lol

[frosty mango]

I tried to explain this to melee who kept falling over in 16-18 cos keys but why would they listen to me #uptime

[sick sentinel]

fort raging sucks lol

[tired forge]

so wait ppl still need cobalt ring when we have 400ilvl rings?

[sweet summit]

tbf uptime is a valid argument at some point

[tired forge]

this is depressing

[sick sentinel]

im willing to bet thats why so many dps just RNG imdead week 1

[tired forge]

i dont want to do it

[plush tendon]

yea dooooood, my damage broooooo

dont you want the boss to die????

[sick sentinel]

random lightning caller goes below 30% hp, gets angry, 1 shots the mage

[frosty mango]

Dead is zero uptime so in this case I'm not sure it was valid 🫠

[edgy grail]

Dont die