protection

[chilly brook]

I understand

Tanks have A LOT of agency right now

[hazy thicket]

Priest friend of mine seemed pretty happy as long as we were coordinating our CDS and communicating

Granted one of the sets he 'just had to pump a shit load of healing'

[tired pivot]

fair haha

I am thinking pain suppress first one and use 30% heal, dwarf racial, shield wall, PS again with another heal

should take on 4 of them

[chilly brook]

I would shield wall first

[hazy thicket]

I would wall asap in order to get it back asap

[chilly brook]

^

Your CDs are more fluid

You should use healer CDs to fill gaps

Not the other way around

[hazy thicket]

You're probably only gonna get one Pain Suppression so it doesn't matter so much when it gets used

[tired pivot]

hm, fair

[chilly brook]

If you use Wall first you have it back within a minute basically

[tired pivot]

you're right, those are some good tips

I am new to war so I underestimated it's cd

[chilly brook]

Everyone is new to warrior…..

[slim dove]

[brisk gust]

Yoyo lads, Lorewalker Stonestep, how do you get dispelled? People told me to stand under the boss but it didn'

dispell me

[tired pivot]

I was always a dk/dh player

and finally picked up warrior

[brisk gust]

So we depelted the 17 key with just a few sec cuz we wiped without BL on it

[chilly brook]

Wait

You dropped DK for warrior

When DK is in the best spot it’s been since Legion

[slim dove]

probably sick of the wheelchair

[tired pivot]

that

[chilly brook]

Truuueee

[slim dove]

dk could be 50% above every other tank and id still be miserable playing it

[tired pivot]

only good thing about dk is that everyone(enemy NPC's included) become wheelchairs

tho evokers kinda fix our problem a bit

I get to pretend that I have mobility

[chilly brook]

I don’t think DK is as bad as people like to make it out to be

[tired pivot]

it's not that bad

[chilly brook]

I don’t think people press Death’s Advance enough

[tired pivot]

it is just that the long walks between pulls feel horrible

imagine playing azure vault as a dk

I shudder

the stairs..

[chilly brook]

Speaking of

I’ve made the executive decision to never invite a hunter to that dungeon

[oak echo]

Speaking of RLP 2nd boss are y'all finding it's better to have double shield wall or the better cdr

[chilly brook]

Probably CDR

Boss could easily be over 3 minutes

Cuz tyran

[fiery wasp]

hey guys, what do you suggest spending my 1 spark of ing.? i crafted 1h first, are the wrists with combat ress worth?

[median tulip]

For M+ 100%

[blazing condor]

whats considered good dps from actual dps-classes ish

in m+

50k?

[chilly brook]

Between 40-60k depending on dungeon I think

[median tulip]

There's a lot of variance due to Tier availability and gearing weirdness right now. 40k is what I expect to see in 15s.

[brisk gust]

Lads on 16+ how do you pull the tree room in Algethar Academy? Do you full send the entire room or take half, half? Or do you take everything except the 2 mosquito packs

[chilly brook]

Always split in two tbh

[woeful verge]

Thats overall?

[chilly brook]

Usually add a mosquito pack with first

You can do 3 pulls if you want

[median tulip]

Do the near set of flies, then pull all the plants and AoE, then the other flies

[oak echo]

In 15s I think I typically see 65k+ from everyone

[brisk gust]

Cuz i did 2 pulls we survived and our dps left cuz he didn't wanna play with a tank who doesn't take full room

xD

[chilly brook]

Bigger pull with one pack of mosquitos for first then rest of plants and then mosquitos again to get CDs back

[chilly brook]

He’s stupid

Pulling the whole room including the bugs is death for dps

[median tulip]

2 pulls is fine, it's not going to break the key either way

[slim dove]

dps this early expac have been very...special.

[severe steeple]

2 mosquito packs kinda yikes

[toxic pewter]

That’s just disgraceful attitude to be honest

[oak echo]

Man the amount of hunters especially mm who pull for me in keys

[median tulip]

You don't really need to worry about most cooldown, as DPS should be holding them for the active adds anyway

[oak echo]

Has made me question the limits of my patience

[median tulip]

This is why I never PUG; Voice Comms is the biggest force multiplier

[chilly brook]

I had a DK who complained about people in the group not doing mechanics

He was the one who butt pulled things, didn’t interrupt on last boss of Nokhud, killed himself on 2nd boss, and generally never pressed his buttons

[ornate thunder]

Is bloodmallet correct for prot?

[chilly brook]

Define correct

It uses the simc profile

[ornate thunder]

Is it using the most recent simc profile

[chilly brook]

Or rather A simc profile

Idk

You’d have to check yourself

Although really bloodmallet is only useful as a tool to see relative power of certain items. You should ALWAYS sim it for yourself because your character is not the simc profile

[subtle nymph]

hey guys, want to craft my weapon or my shield dk yet, what embelish u put on ?

[chilly brook]

Just because it says x trinket is BiS doesn’t mean that “BiS” trinket is actually better for you than another option with your current stats

[vagrant relic]

where can I watch a video or something about how to kill the tree boss in oligarch academy? Almost makes me wanna give up on keys. Every video there is just reads the description of it's abilities in the adventurer's guide. Thanks in advance.

[chilly brook]

You uhh

You kill it

Unironically

[icy bane]

Kill the tree add to clear your dot stacks, when the adds pop I like to challenging shout to group then shockwave the lashers and kite the boss and the lashers while my dps cleaves everything down. Reduces the amount of lasher poisons you get.

[vagrant relic]

sorry I know it's prot chat and not mythic + but when does the cleansing work? When the circle expires or what

[tulip oar]

As a tank, I spec for bitter immunity. AOE taunt, and stun everything. Pray your dps kills everything fast enough before the poison stacks too high again.

[chilly brook]

Fr though, dps should stack the swirlies as nicely as they can to help cleave down. Kill the add. Pop CDs when all the little bois spawn. Enjoy victory

Bring something that can poison cleanse

[icy bane]

Cleansing happens inside the circle, thinks a periodic healing/cleanse.

[chilly brook]

I’d rather bring a paladin

Or a monk

[vagrant relic]

we had priest

[chilly brook]

Than spec bitter immunity

[vagrant relic]

the key didn't went so well

haha

[slim dove]

dps can also spec into it.

[chilly brook]

^^^

[slim dove]

monk can take detox and lose nothing

[vagrant relic]

thanks guys

[tulip oar]

The healing tree does clear and heal everyone when it dies.

[icy bane]

Have your dps//healer stacking on top of you while you tank boss also

[chilly brook]

Having a class that can poison cleanse is infinitely more valuable on that boss than going bitter immunity

[icy bane]

Boss doesn’t do a frontal so you can group the seeds tightly

[vagrant relic]

yeah it works kinda right to the moment when it doesnt haha

[tulip oar]

In a perfect world yes, but not bad for a make or break boss.

[slim dove]

dps/healers need to move with you

[icy bane]

Yeah, dps/healer just forget to regroup after the seeds spawn. Dps brains

[slim dove]

its really just a boss where you at the mercy of pugs

if they blow everything on first set of adds, its gonna be rough

[vagrant relic]

yeah today I killed 14 tree relatively fast

and now we sucked at 12

[chilly brook]

Honestly there’s not much you can do as a tank on that boss

It’s all on the group

[tulip oar]

That's not true

[icy bane]

Truly, I try to lust on 2nd set of lashers to burn lashers and boss

[chilly brook]

It is though

Success on that boss is down to the group not you

[icy bane]

Had a r shaman not go poison cleansing totem for a 16, blamed me when we wiped

[vagrant relic]

So basically just nuke the healing add try to cleanse the dot then group the lil ones together stun and run for ur life

right?

[slim dove]

you can play absolutely perfect on tree and if DPS go zugg brain on it, your not gonna kill it

[chilly brook]

If the group has sloppy drops on seeds, doesn’t hold CDs, doesn’t use CC, doesn’t use utility it’s going to wipe you on higher keys

[tulip oar]

Tank still needs to pick up all the adds quickly on the second healer tree death.

[chilly brook]

That’s just basic tank responsibility

[slim dove]

yeah

you roar first set

aoe taunt second

[chilly brook]

And again if seeds are sloppy

[slim dove]

or whatever order you want, i like roar second cuz i assume dps will blow their shit on first.

[chilly brook]

You’re not picking everything up

[slim dove]

yup

if half the seeds are off in narnia

healer is gonna get bonked.

[chilly brook]

So once again it’s down to your group not being stupid

[tulip oar]

I usually clap and shout, Shockwave first. If everything isn't grouped than kite to pick things up. Bitter immune to buy healer time. I try to be as self sufficient as possible.

[icy bane]

Vexamus has been a bigger pain in my ass

[chilly brook]

Bitter immunity is self sufficient for one use on one boss in the key

[tulip oar]

I've never had a problem with vex

[chilly brook]

And “self sufficient” is very loose on that boss

Considering it stacks fast

[tulip oar]

That's why you save it for like 40 stacks.

[icy bane]

People dropping puddles everywhere and getting obliterated by his 100 mana ability

Personals don’t exist anymore zzz

[chilly brook]

Ye but your monk can cleanse every 8 seconds and he loses nothing

And he does giga damage

[tulip oar]

My favorite moment as a tank so far has been soloing a tyrannical 14 CoS last boss from 30%. So much dodge and weave.

[tender zealot]

Just can't wait for this week to be over

[blazing condor]

damn bro its christmas

[sick sentinel]

#tunegrevious

[tulip oar]

Why, so we have to kite out of sanguine pools next week?

[sick sentinel]

#buffhealersurvivability

[slim dove]

yes

[tulip oar]

OK, that I agree with.

[tender zealot]

Sanguine is the easiest mechanic

[tulip oar]

Some healers fall over time a stuff breeze.

[icy bane]

Yeah sanguine feels like a good push week tbh

[tacit falcon]

there'

[chilly brook]

Nah nah nah

[tulip oar]

It's easy but annoying

[tender zealot]

Just most of the player base not having the ilvl to reliably kill anything in tyrannical

[tacit falcon]

there isn't a ton of narrow hallways like in SL or Legion thank god.

[chilly brook]

Y’all lookin at this wrong

[jagged pier]

Good luck in temple with sanguine

[chilly brook]

You think Sanguine is gonna be a nice push week

But this is early season DF

[jagged pier]

And fort

[chilly brook]

No one knows dungeons still, and your dps barely kicks already

[tulip oar]

Azure vaults and RLP are gonna suck with sanguine.

[tacit falcon]

tbh if there's only one dungeon like that's it's not all bad and more of those pulls are fairly small.

[jagged pier]

Push week is tyran weeks usually

[chilly brook]

And all these mobs have tons of kicks

So tbh gl

[naive panther]

@tulip oar our whole group bailed on cos14 final boss. Biggest issue is grievous. I tried soloing it a few times, got to about 50% then the rogue came back with a leech spec then we were able to beat it with two of us. Feint on every slicing maelstrom.

[chilly brook]

Feint so op

And not enough rogues use it

[tacit falcon]

tbh not enough rogues use more than 50% of their toolkit lol

[jagged pier]

Your healer is not preping then the 3rd melstrom should be where it starts to hurt

[sick sentinel]

ohhh we might be able to run disrupting shout i think its called next week with sanguine

[jagged pier]

Not when ppl are dead

[sick sentinel]

it would aoe silence casters, we lo or kite aways from sanguine, and then, ??? profit

[icy bane]

Used disrupting shout for heroic dathea felt pretty good

[tulip oar]

I just pooled some rage to ignore pain it. Shield wall on some of them, impending victory, it was a fun experience. The rest of the group just laughed and claimed Prot OP.

[icy bane]

Watching dps getting hit by the straight line one shots

[tulip oar]

I main Fury, but sadly i seem to tank a lot more this season.

[icy bane]

Just turn your particle density up please

[naive panther]

Yeah, pretty easy to fall behind during the maelstrom. It took us just over 5 minutes to kill it from 100% with two of us. Would have taken me like 15-20 without mistakes.

[vagrant relic]

lol we killed tree boss 11 key (wanted to try the kite)

got to the bird

a guy got a ball bugged

he relogged - no ball exist

can't sum the boss

m+ experience for ya

[sick sentinel]

someone i know says "tree boss AA is (horrible disease)"

[oak echo]

Are disease names bad words in 2022

[loud patrol]

just the tree one

triggers some ptsd

[brisk gust]

Lads on jade serpent dung, on 2nd boss when you need to clear the stacks? Do u just go under the boss and what amount of stacks do u clear on?

I tried to clear on 10+ stacks under the boss but nothing happened

[vivid silo]

Prot warrior feels incredible to play

so much fun

[blazing condor]

bro theres too many trinkets out there rn

blood of the khansguard proc a lot?

[bright lion]

I'm having a trinket problem as well. I have a 395 world boss trinket and a 392 Granyth scale, any opinions on which to use?

[icy bane]

395 world boas

It’s very good like 50% uptime

[slim dove]

yeah its 2ppm

[icy bane]

That damn boss refused to drop it for me

[slim dove]

next chance in 4 weeks 🙂

[icy bane]

Sad that won’t even be worth it in 4 weeks

[fluid linden]

anyone have any suggestions for platter profiles? been through a few and they are kinda meh.

[patent osprey]

Merry Christmas Skyhold ^.^

[alpine shard]

what is the average cooldown of shield wall?

[steel mauve]

Imo modify it yourself, i never like any one elses profiles and weakauras, so i make my own weakauras customized to how i like, and tweak any addons to suit my particular style

[blazing condor]

Merry christmas Plka!

[cinder storm]

Merry Xmas plka

[fervent inlet]

for how long is the cobalt assembly ring good? i mean the shield is okay right? but i have haste vers ring 395 and im wondering if thats better

[vivid silo]

Despite the nerfs prot warrior is clearly the winner here, very cool to see after the disaster in SL

[slim dove]

use dmg ring

[cinder storm]

I don't care if it's broken, I really enjoy that is fun, and impending victory is huge for me since I run with a discp

[jagged pier]

U dont replace the ring

[eager schooner]

dps ring is cracked

[loud patrol]

wait the dps ring we dont replace it?

going into item restoration

[atomic flicker]

You cna just buy it again im sure

[loud patrol]

waste gold? D:

[atomic flicker]

Dont you only have so many item restores?

[loud patrol]

1 every 7 days

[fallow knot]

Hey my friends a new prot warrior and he’s really struggling with the 3rd boss in temple and second boss in ruby what defensive rotation should he use for the tankbusters

[loud patrol]

i guess we dont really use the tank one anymore

for me it was proccing when i don needed it

[hot ore]

Hey guys! firstly Merry Christmass!! I have a question. I did a +15 Temple and the 3rd boss does a a tank buster paired with a healing absorption that totally rekts me (during the jade phase, before she transforms)

[loud patrol]

i dont remember which one is the tank buster

serpent kick?

[hot ore]

this boss does a fire kick, that you have to move out and sends 4 fires

[slim dove]

jade serpent kick

[hot ore]

then he does the green thing

yeah thats the one

[loud patrol]

i mean if its cuz the waves you can just move her to the stairs

ez pez no waves for u

[hot ore]

i dont take damage from waves

its easy to avoid, they are frontals

[fallow knot]

It’s the kick itself it puts a nasty dot and healing absorb

[hot ore]

its the "dot" and heal absorb

[slim dove]

impending is key

you can last stand > impending for a giga heal to clear it

[hot ore]

2nd time?

[loud patrol]

thats ur healer problem

[hot ore]

i rotated my cds for the first 2 casts

[fast knot]

Really up to your dps to get through to 30% as fast as possible

[slim dove]

well youve got

[hot ore]

but the boss did it 4 times before transfotming into the dragon

[slim dove]

wall, def stance

spell reflect

spell block

[fast knot]

but with Spell Block and double wall you should be fine for up to like 4?

[slim dove]

health pot

[loud patrol]

yeah

spell block is so useful in that dungeon

[hot ore]

i use it for many casts

didnt think i could use it as a mag def cd

[loud patrol]

is more useful than in azure vaults: th magic dragon place hmmm

i have a question

in the agony and strife boss

i take a shitton of dmg

and i swap at 6 stacks

do i swap at less?

[plain saffron]

hey, how good is jeweled signet of melandrus for prot?

[stable valve]

Extremely

[hot ore]

i use this loadout for talents

BkEAR5QSZgdnGefDo4ho9ZGXKLgAAAAASSSkkQikSSSaFEBCFJSUSSACkE0CJJICECAAAAAAAkEAAKlGA

[stable valve]

BiS stats and we have fast AA

[plain saffron]

worth the valor investment then?

cuz I just got it hehe

[hot ore]

can you help me out with ,what to give up for 2nd shield wall charge?

[loud patrol]

yeah

[plain saffron]

thank you ❤️

[stable valve]

Do you not normally take the wall talent in the same spot?

[hot ore]

no, truth be told, this is my first time trying warrior tanking, so i just took a wowhead preset for m+

[fast knot]

Take off Enduring Alacrity for that node

and for most keys you run Impenetrable Wall

[loud patrol]

i almost never take double wall but for that dungeon is worth it

[fast knot]

I only swap for actual tank blaster dungeons like Jade

because I get pulled into weekly no leavers with mongrels that shouldn't be in there

[loud patrol]

lol

i just did a +8 jade and had some arcane make doing less dps than me, i didnt knew that was possible

[fast knot]

I'd also take out barbarian and sidearm for another tree going into Intervene and either Honed Reflexes or Bitter Immunity

[hot ore]

cool. thank you so much for the help

[fast knot]

Intervene to save teammates from yoinking aggro

[hot ore]

really, the discord is the best place to come for help

[wraith prism]

Arcane is supposedly complex, it could be a fire/ice learning arcane

[fast knot]

the other choices are really qol but I don't really like running Barbaric Training anymore

[quaint folio]

Are there any specific mechanic's that aren't commonly listed that prot warriors should know about? I only know of the 2 below but would like to know more
spell reflection - refer to the reflect google sheet
ignore pain - 4x stam = cap ?
???

[loud patrol]

tbh i never run barbarian

i feel starved

[fast knot]

main complaint I have with it as well

[wraith prism]

There’s things that extend shield block, shield block increase shield slam DPS, one of the talents have revenge buff thunderclap and vice versa

[wraith prism]

Also avoiding rage cap

[loud patrol]

spell reflect reduced magic dmg taken by 20%

[tepid sage]

Sup guy's i looking for tankiness build for MM+ anyone can help me

[loud patrol]

[proven depot]

which gems should i use?

wowhead dont recommend gems i guess or i couldnt find it

[loud patrol]

[cinder nova]

why do rogues whine about chainpulls

[loud patrol]

wha

how

[bright lion]

consumables

[loud patrol]

theres literally no reason for them to be mad

[sterile stirrup]

wait do we use tank ring from cobalt?

[tired pivot]

are there any cleaves on last pack of jade temple

[loud patrol]

flames of doubt doesnt count as cleave i think

[chilly brook]

Restealth

Pretty big for either sin or sub or both I don’t remember

[loud patrol]

ohh yeah

even outlaw now

[chilly brook]

You don’t have to stop chainpulling

Just give enough of a window for combat to drop on the way to the next pack

[hot ore]

another question..

elemental Liarat good for war?

[chilly brook]

It’s good for everyone

[young pagoda]

how do you deal with ruby life pool 1st boss. She doesnt mele at all and jujst does magic damage

[chilly brook]

There’s not a class in this game that doesn’t like an extra stat proc

[hot ore]

with haste+vers gems x3 ?

[proud dock]

wat buff do we take in academy? haste?

[gray lintel]

There are some nice weakauras for both; spell reflect essentials: https://wago.io/tDT26wrXg and there are a bunch of ignore pain trackers/bars to help you stack it and not overcap

[cinder storm]

I take healing for tree but haste is goat

[loud patrol]

i atke haste

[chilly brook]

I would assume you utilize spell reflect

And use CDs as needed

[cinder storm]

Or talent aegis and spellblock

[chilly brook]

And just use IP/defensive stance as needed

And if that’s not enough spec spell block

[mellow quartz]

Use CDs for each time the suck damage happens. The suck makes it hard for the healer to heal and does quite a bit of damage.

[fallow knot]

How much can ignore pain stack ?

Do you have a link to the full spell reflect sheet too

[urban portal]

30% of your max hp

[loud patrol]

pins

[gray lintel]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vS26lkSc_eaulHX7-UY8Uu-7DAHvkScxh3npd0kQn3uvvWsgsQm9ducLUi4R2mb7ieNluVilyq5sQe5/pubhtml#

[fallow knot]

• Ty I checked faq instead

[cold echo]

Hello Merry Christmas all. I'm a new tank this xpac and I woundering in wich situation do we swap def stance and battle stance. Do we Use always def stance or what ?

[median tulip]

Def Stance only if you really need to, otherwise BStance always

[loud patrol]

always bstance

unless theres some tank busterinc

[cold echo]

Oh ok 👌

[eager canyon]

wait really? I thought it was only at start of pulls then swap to def

[gray lintel]

Really? I thought I had less threat in bstance

[eager canyon]

gonna try push some keys next week in bstance

[median tulip]

Do you need the damage reduction in order to not die? If not, use BStance

[eager canyon]

I never drop below 80% unless we wipe so not at all - just never thought about it like that, cheers

[mellow quartz]

It all depends on the content you do 🤷‍♂️

[cinder nova]

I'm pulling stuff while the last stuff is like... 30%

[loud patrol]

lol thats why they mad

[cinder nova]

I never had this problem in 23s during S3 and S4

What changed.

[loud patrol]

the importance of stealth in rogues

[cinder nova]

Might just stop taking rogues then.

[mellow quartz]

Rogues op…

[loud patrol]

you cna do that

[median tulip]

If you don't like to leave combat, don't take a Rogue

[loud patrol]

but they are the best dps

[chilly brook]

Nothing, rogue was like this in SL depending on the spec

[mellow quartz]

If you wanna push keys adjust your play style to the party you are in.

[chilly brook]

Honestly it only helps you

Especially if they’re sin since garrote silence spread off restealth

[cinder nova]

I mean, even in SL the rogue I ran with could restealth between chainpulls without us dropping combat

And he never had an issue.

So there must be something he was doing that these jabronis aren't

[chilly brook]

If you’re pulling while mobs are still at 30% they’re not restealthing unless they have vanish

[median tulip]

there's a cooldown on restealthing in combat

[chilly brook]

Which they won’t

[mellow quartz]

No rogues wanna use vanish for that

[chilly brook]

Because vanish is a dps cd

[loud patrol]

[cinder nova]

Like I said, I don't know what he was doing, but it wasn't vanish.

Because I asked him explicitly once.

And he just said, "Nah"

Although he'd hang a bit further back between pulls.

[chilly brook]

And what spec did he run

[cinder nova]

So maybe it had something to do with proximity

[chilly brook]

^

Cuz if he was outlaw kekw

[cinder nova]

He would still have lots of opener damage on his overall

[loud patrol]

outlaw is just fcked

[cinder nova]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[loud patrol]

specially with their ambush build

[chilly brook]

If he was outlaw he literally didn’t care about restealth

[cinder nova]

Might have been

[chilly brook]

Unless he was running the crit legendary

[loud patrol]

outlaw doesnt need restealsh

restealth*

[cinder nova]

Not a clue. I barely pay attention to spec, but he had no problems hanging in terms of output. I also am still playing W-spec mentality with keys because I got banner brain.

But it hasn't failed me yet, although I'm still doing baby keys at like 13-16

[chilly brook]

I mean honestly just let your rogues restealth

It’s a very little adjustment

For a large gain

[cinder nova]

ngl I might have to adjust bigger than you think. I tend to get packs or mobs that you can't or shouldn't chainpull down low enough and after they send dangerous mechanics, THEN pull them into a double or triple since they'll die from cleave before they go through another rotation.

So I'm gonna have to adjust how I pull and use CDs.

[loud patrol]

is my man chainpulling the jade temple courtyard?

[cinder nova]

I only solo out the first pack with the monks and sha

Then I chainpull, yeah.

I usually get back left into the big sha

Then as it's low, back right and once it drops I get front right

That way I can focus on managing CC and movement instead of having to pick up the little adds it spawns

[mellow quartz]

Chain pulling explosive dudes with bursting sounds fun

[cinder nova]

We have a priest so they just MD at high stacks

2-3 stacks is pretty manageable

If it resets then I have to stop, though

Because we wont have MD for the 7+

[loud patrol]

im not sure on taking priests

they can dispell bursting yeah

[mellow quartz]

Priests are op for last boss in TJS

[loud patrol]

but most of the priests i find cant heal like a druid or an evoker

[mellow quartz]

Same with locks

[cinder nova]

Bad priests tbh

I rarely see hpriests like the one I run with. She's pretty solid.

I don't know how she does what she does, but I know her upper bounds and lower tolerances so I just kinda pull around that and watch mana as we choo-choo through a key

[loud patrol]

i like the evoker i run with, keeps me alive and chainpulling

[cinder nova]

I've had worse luck with evokers, tbh.

But a good one is a standout

[loud patrol]

oh yeah pug evokers for me have been bad af

[cinder nova]

I had a crazy good one for a 15 TJS this week though

I was shook

[mellow quartz]

What’s your ilvl?

[cinder nova]

392

[loud patrol]

390

[mellow quartz]

A 15 is whatever then

[cinder nova]

I'm only 1844 QQ

[loud patrol]

15 depending

is not the same 15 shadowmoon than a 15 jade or ruby

[cinder nova]

Shadowmoon is the free key this season tbh

It's the JY of keys

[loud patrol]

true

[mellow quartz]

Thought we were talking TJS

[cinder nova]

Yeah, but not all 15s are made equal.

15 COS is also pretty easy

Compared to 15 TJS

[loud patrol]

10 ruby feels like a 18 shadowmoon tbh

[mellow quartz]

I meant a 15 temple is whatever then at that ilvl

[cinder nova]

RLP requires brainpower and that's why it's a pugstomper

The problem with TJS is people have to use brains compared to SBG

SBG is fairly mindless compared to it at times.

And a lot less spiky in damage intake

And group damage

So people have to manage a lot less of their CDs intelligently.

[loud patrol]

except when u have 3 tunnel vision hunters that step in every grave possible

[cinder nova]

kekw

[loud patrol]

and they dont interrupt

[frozen rose]

why are ppl taking talent wrecking throw in raid? in raz for ex

[quaint folio]

I had a rogue that was using the night fae active racial then going stealth ( I think) not sure if that's how they are doing it

[fast knot]

Wrecking absolutely pikes on the absorb shield

I dunno how much damage it does as prot but as Fury it was worth taking

[urban portal]

if its wroth on fury then its definitely worth on prot

[blazing condor]

so which bosses are spell block territory?

in m+

[mellow quartz]

I use it in RLP and TJS

[somber sky]

if you're pugging, every dungeon.

i've lost my faith in pug healers at this point

just did a 15 nogood and they didn't take a single orb on raging tempest.

[jagged pier]

Because theres a tone of absorb shields there

[mellow quartz]

That will wipe the group before it kills your so spell block won’t do anything lol

[somber sky]

absorbs in p2 + damage amp from stacking = big big damage

free 1M ish damage to be exact

[sterile bough]

is tehre limit on how many illimited diamond gems can I have?

[somber sky]

yeah I'm probably going to run a 5melee group for that dungeon at this point. Can't have all rdps stand in one place expecting me to run circles

[sterile bough]

its dps gain

[oblique kayak]

at current tuning- that’s any dungeon XD:)

[shy jetty]

Trying to figure if I suck at tanking in M+ or it's something else

I take like no damage for the most part
I have 80-100% Shield Block uptime
My ignore pain uptime is quite low but then I'm not taking damage so doesn't feel like I need it most of the time
If shit hits the fan and something goes wrong I pop a cd as required
I don't really know all the pulls but I just copy what most do and it seems to go fine but then people are complaining to me so unsure
My damage is similar to other tanks at the same ilvl as me (392)

My last tanking attempt was a CoS15 and people left the second we got to the second part as they didn't LoS the detonates and all died then I got blamed even though it was at a corner

[jagged pier]

U can have 1

[sterile bough]

in whole gera?

[jagged pier]

Yes

[sterile bough]

f

[jagged pier]

1 main stat gem

In all your gear

[frozen rose]

@somber sky what are the adds exactly that have the shield. or is the boss?

[jagged pier]

Uptime very poor metric u need logs to be able to judge that stuff

[mellow quartz]

So what’s the problem?

You said you suck but didn’t say what the issue was

[shy jetty]

I dunno, I'm being blamed for why the groups are falling apart even though people die to other stuff

[sterile bough]

u dont move as a tank? u dont die? u are a good tnak

[quaint folio]

What are the common complains that people say? Also for any dungeon specific thing, it's always good to hand hold people. Tell them to LOS rather than assume they will. Pull adds deep into a safe place rather than assume that the hunter will actually move up and away from a patrol

[eager schooner]

blaming the tank is easy, hence people will do it

[mellow quartz]

Sounds more like just dungeon/pull knowledge and nothing abt pwar play.

[sterile bough]

like as far as I played dragonflight no1 said sth like "u are shit tank" they usually just told me what could I do better

[mellow quartz]

If as you say you don’t take damage

[shy jetty]

Like I feel like that CoS was going well but then all of a sudden everyone leaves and two of them message me "You belong in HC dungeons"

[mellow quartz]

Log your runs and post it

Could be a million things

[sterile bough]

are u pulling small by any chance that could be the reason

[quaint folio]

hard to tell with this example. It could be that they are just scapegoating you, or you are doing something so obviously wrong that they assumed they didn't need to vocalize it.

[mellow quartz]

There are a lot of things to know in COS though

[sterile bough]

can u send mdt u did?

[shy jetty]

I'm basically cloning what nearly every tank I run with does when I can DPS

I keep an eye out for the wound debuff and healer mana, also observant of when people use CDs and such to know when to not pull more

[mellow quartz]

They didn’t all leave and whispered you cause you did nothing wrong though.

[shy jetty]

Oh I'm guessing I did something wrong

[mellow quartz]

Logs

[shy jetty]

I'll try another run

[cinder nova]

Different battlegroups are more or less toxic

Battlegroups that include very big PVE hotbeds of major pushing and prog (e.g. where major streamers/T200 guilds concentrate) are going to be extra toxic and sweaty

And somehow still produce a below-average player, uniquely enough.

[sterile bough]

as im doing currently 18-19s ppl are pretty chill

[frozen rose]

@jagged pier what are the adds t hat have the shield? or is it the boss?

[cinder nova]

When you're pushing the upper bounds this early people tend to be chill because everyone is operating at similar wavelengths. Problems arise when you're in a 14 with KSM lords that pick it up halfway through the season in one half the group and actual M+ pushers in the other.

So there's a major disconnect on where responsibility is shouldered at any given moment (e.g. Thundering)

[dapper sinew]

What are you guys running as trinkets ?

[cinder nova]

Decoration and Dragon Games Eq, but that's because they're ilvl for me and sim the best.

[last crest]

guys in Jade Temple, how do i dodge the Jade Kick ?

[dapper sinew]

I got these , theyre all between 385 and 395

https://prnt.sc/Iy_hXzxcQrP0

[cinder nova]

AT LEAST ON FIGHTS WHERE DGE ACTUALLY WORKS

[dapper sinew]

But the def trinkets seem trash to me

[cinder nova]

With arrowkeys.

You just walk out of it, mate.

No secret formula.

[last crest]

i moved to side but she still hit me, do i like move to the back or sum ?

[cinder nova]

No. You're just reacting or you're getting hit by the waves.

[livid osprey]

How can I deal with the toxin from small adds on the Ancient fight? After a dispell from heal i got another 100+ stacks from them a second before death and then just died with Ignore Pain, Shield Block and Last Stand up(used wall on the previous set of adds). Got 200k from Toxin and the grevious, splinerbark and melee just finished me, everything happened in the same second I died.

[cinder nova]

Entirely a movement and reaction issue.

React faster, keep an eye on timers, be aware of mechanic distribution. She does it to follow every fist.

So when you get chunked anticipate having to move not long after.

[mighty valley]

You’re not trying to dodge the strike right? That’s just a tank buster

You just want to dodge the wave after

[cinder nova]

There's an AOE and a wave.

The wave starts at semicardinal directions based on her facing at the edge of the AOE perimeter.

[last crest]

the wave isnt hitting me

[mighty valley]

Yeah, if you get out of the circle, you can react to the waves direction

[last crest]

i mean the absorb

[cinder nova]

???

[last crest]

or does it mean it did hit me ?

S stop with the question marks ur highkey cringelord

im normally asking

[cinder nova]

Bro, read the dungeon journal for starters.

[mighty valley]

You just eat the strike, ideally use a CD or external

[cinder nova]

That could help.

[last crest]

what about you stay silent if you got nothing nice to say =)

[cinder nova]

Don't start shit wont be shit.

Just walk out of the AOE, it's really that simple.

Leap if you must, but that'll make a mess of the arena.

[last crest]

i blocked the guy, peace at last

so when shes about to cast the whole sequence i just need to back out ?

[cinder nova]

🤦‍♂️

[torpid thistle]

It's a 9 yard AOE on kick

so you back up

[cinder nova]

Help him read Harrow.

[mighty valley]

So the strike is just gonna hurt, spell block can be worth it on high keys in temple

[last crest]

<@&257983573498265600> can we please get some attitude check in here please ? :)

[mighty valley]

Otherwise it’s just an aoe circle and a wave to dodge

[ionic fern]

Who

Is getting banned

[blazing condor]

if its attitude things its like 60% of people here

[mighty valley]

Ban a dog with a Christmas hat

Insanely toxic

[blazing condor]

idk who that is i only know A Dog with a Christmas Hat.

[last crest]

i´ve legit just asked question, there is no reason to be so unfriendly about it ^^

[sick sentinel]

if you do windows shift S it freezs the screen and brings up a snipping tool, saving your selection to the clipboard and then you can control V to insert it into discord or paint to resize/change if need be

thats how i can do my screenshots easily and fast and snipped

[last crest]

cuz i see nothing mentioned about dodging btw

[torpid thistle]

The kick is the AOE

which follows the Strike immediately

[cinder nova]

I gave you legit answers, then you called me cringe. You wanna start spats and then act like the victim, you do you.

[mighty valley]

Yeah, s’what I’ve been saying, the strike part is just a tank buster you have to eat

[torpid thistle]

It goes Strike > Kick > Wave

its a sequence of attacks

[cinder nova]

The wave's part of the kick tbh

It winds up at the same time.

[compact jackal]

If I have the debuff from Balakar, does that impact the damage my SR does to him?

[sick sentinel]

i have more problems on the trash before boss 3 but im just doing baby keys

and healing absorbed and grevious doesn't sound like fun time for healer

[grim grotto]

did they nerfed the absorb from the turtle trinket?

[mighty valley]

So once strike is done, you can walk out to avoid the aoe circle and strafe for the wave, but you’re still having to handle the heal absorb

[cinder nova]

No idea. I think the SR sheet says that giving him the debuff increases his damage taken, but

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[jagged pier]

The storm adds in the intermission the boss dyring p2

[cinder nova]

Deathea and Raz giving me a reason to take Wrecking Throw is so nice.

[sick sentinel]

i can do better than this weak shit

[cinder nova]

I dunno why I like it so much.

[lyric geode]

Omfg, the dmg from the first boss on ruby is quite tough

[cinder nova]

It helps if you're trying to position your group around the edges away from the hatcheries so that the ice isn't getting up in your shit.

And so you can position the storm safely.

[sick sentinel]

never once at all ran court of stars

or, it was like a time walking

[mighty valley]

We believe in you yogi

[lyric geode]

I mean the shards are blockable?

[cinder nova]

Show us what the Shockwave Spear build can do

[lyric geode]

I mean, 14 SBG is a joke compared to 15 Ruby

[cinder nova]

Hailbombs?

Fuck no they aren't.

[mighty valley]

Court is really easy but you do need to know about the dungeon yogi

[lyric geode]

Frigid Shard

[compact jackal]

intersting

the only Sr that confuses me is the 3rd boss of jade

it seems to do literally nothing

[cinder nova]

Wait are you talking about the damage from Frigid Shard?

Is that what's eating you alive?

[compact jackal]

doesn't seem to do damage, doesn't stop the debuff

[trim minnow]

Has anyone tested "Infurious Helmet of Vengeance" in M+ ? Would seem to do more than 1% dmg overall but the pin says 1% - Not sure if thats just ST tho

[cinder nova]

Yeah, that's how it works, Morgan. For some reason P1 strike can deflect. P2 strike it's just DR.

That's why it's a ball ache.

But you'll have it for most every strike unless your DPS are just dragging out P2.

[lyric geode]

Guys, have anyone have done Ruby 15s?

[grim grotto]

16 so far. 17 a bit overtime

[cinder nova]

Idk, I'd say block the shards. People are doing higher than 15s on RLP this week.

Be aware of high damage events for when you throw wall.

Maybe take BSV if you're really struggling/lower ilvl.

But you shouldn't be touching it until later

[mighty valley]

I’d probably be taking BSV if I couldn’t trust pug healers with externals in RLP

[lyric geode]

Still, I know it is spell reflectable. But are they blockable?

[cinder nova]

Should be.

[lyric geode]

Meaning that Should I spam IP?

It is magic dmg though.

[cinder nova]

Oh, it's spell blockable.

[lyric geode]

Maybe I should go with spell block.

[cinder nova]

Take Spell Block.

[livid osprey]

Theyre blockable with Spell Block

Outside of that you just gotta IP I guess

[cinder nova]

I'd probably sit Def stance for that fight since it's so magic heavy and the boss spams a nuke

[livid osprey]

cause you want Wall for the overlap with the whirl or whatever it's called

[lyric geode]

Yeah, I guess that too

Well, even with 42k HPS as healer, he still couldnt top us to the boss

[bold turret]

On the 18 I did this week the healer was pumping like 65k hps I think

[grim grotto]

did anyone of u already got the shield from AV or RLP? im farming since first week. never dropped.....

[oak echo]

i got the AV one like the first AV i ran 😬

[left cave]

how the hell does a warrior handle the dot on tree boss?

[oak echo]

you get in the tree add circle

[left cave]

i had 60 stack of poison

anmd took 200k insta damage

[oak echo]

yeah you need to clear it

[left cave]

not the bleed

[chilly brook]

Well you see

There’s these classes

That have poison cleanse

[grim grotto]

okaya, i hate u . but now i know its not a myth D:

[left cave]

u can dipell that poison dot?

[chilly brook]

Yes

[left cave]

preist that was with me said u cant

[bold turret]

Play dark iron dwarf

[left cave]

lol

[stark lance]

How can I get a high level Primal Ritual Shell

[chilly brook]

Because priest can’t clear poisons

Lmao

You need a monk or a paladin

[oak echo]

druid sham pally monk

[chilly brook]

And I think shaman?

[cinder nova]

You kill the adds, tbh.

[left cave]

so u need poison cleanser on that dungeon or gg?

[oak echo]

oh evoker can too lol

[cinder nova]

If your group isn't stacking to cleave them quickly gg

You could also take Bitter.

[chilly brook]

Shouldn’t exactly be hard to get

Meant to tag @left cave

[grim grotto]

be 376 geared and farm super rares. . your highest can be 385 ( i have one ) but the absorb shield feels like it got nerfed yesterday. its less then from the grinding ring

[chilly brook]

Monk or paladin dps can spec it

Monk loses nothing to do it

And monk does stupid damage anyways so why wouldn’t you bring one

[left cave]

i just joined a random pug

[cinder nova]

I feel like there's plenty to do about limiting the dot by just cleaving.

[left cave]

had warrior, DH, preist and MM hunter

[cinder nova]

Lots of classes can do absolutely monumental cleave.

Just hold for adds and rotate DPS Cds.

[somber sky]

sry was in a key. The big adds in first intermission have shield. in p2, Raszageth has big shield during the +ve/-ve charge burns

[chilly brook]

Yes but having a cleanse is also helpful period

[cinder nova]

Naturally.

[left cave]

when ads spawed i did aoe aggro adn died 5 seconds later lol

[chilly brook]

Less damage to take regardless of how fast they die

[left cave]

well 10+ seconds but

[cinder nova]

But since I started running with people who actually do damage that boss has been ezpz

[left cave]

it was onlya 12

tree boss wrecks every time

[chilly brook]

Saving CDs for that portion is helpful btw

[cinder nova]

I'm like 75% sure that tree boss adds also scale with Fort

[left cave]

i mean idk what warriro is solo surviving with 60 stacks

i took ltieraly 200k insta damage

224k

um

[cinder nova]

Do you have a log of the bricked key

[left cave]

im also 374 ilvl

but ive done otehr 12s fine

otehr

other*

[cinder nova]

third time's the charm

[left cave]

how i get a log?

[chilly brook]

Defensive stance, shield wall, spell reflect

Just general leach healing

I would assume so

Since there’s a billion adds

[left cave]

18 what?

lmaooo

i was only doing 33k wtf

[cinder nova]

Press your buttons

[left cave]

im using thuinder clap on cd

[chilly brook]

And revenge?

[left cave]

i only use revenge on proc

[chilly brook]

Yea that’s bad

[left cave]

o

[chilly brook]

Lemme guess you focus on IP uptime

[left cave]

maybe

:x

[cinder nova]

lol

[chilly brook]

IP is such a trap

People focus on that

You don’t focus on IP

[cinder nova]

Warrior is the damage tank, do damage. We aren't bears that just turtle up and wait for our biggest CD to cleave and pull.

[chilly brook]

You press revenge and spend rage on IP to not overcap on rage or to help in periods of high damage intake

Yea it’s fine

[shy jetty]

Well I did a CoS12, had one pack too many for count which someone else aggroed, there was only one death at the start due to someone tanking a beam but overall was pretty clean so maybe that 15 was just unlucky

[chilly brook]

But people over focus on it

It’s not some buff that you try to keep 100% uptime on

It just happens

[steady steppe]

Wow analyzer useful or need to wait for it to be updated for 10.0.2

?

[weary python]

What's everyone doing for their third spark come tuesday. I've got lariat and shield. Considering Weapon as I've had no luck on it. I know my remaining options are weapon, helm of vengeance, and frostfire belt, maybe bres wrists questionmark?

[shy jetty]

You can get a JC trinket too

But that depends on you having sockets

[oak echo]

i thought those trinkets were not very good but could be misremembering

[weary python]

I only have 3 sockets from neck right now.

[shy jetty]

They were buffed a lot

But if your only sockets are the 3 from Neck then they're not worth

[tender eagle]

Sorry for stupid question, I play fury in guild raids and prot in m+ pugs, can I go with fury gems and enchants in prot? Or is that gonna gimp me too much when I get to higher keys?

[mighty valley]

I’m probably just gonna fill in whichever slot I’ve been unlucky on

[mighty valley]

You’ll be fine, the stat prio isn’t insanely different

Not a stupid question

Play matters so much more

[weary python]

Whats the other item needed for frostfire belt interaction?

Right right. Cobalt ring counts for an embellishment... hrm. Gonna need to drop that if I go for the belt.

Prob gonna do weapon then tbh.

[cinder nova]

Holy fuck am I gonna have to farm AA and AV to get the belt plan

kill me

[mighty valley]

Cobalt ring counts as an embellishment???

[torn jay]

No

[mighty valley]

Ok, didn’t think so

[dusky cobalt]

Elemental lariat neck does tho right?

[mighty valley]

Yea

[tender eagle]

OK, thank you. Gotta git gud

[mighty valley]

Always 👍

[neon elk]

On hyrja, is her spell sequence random?

Like can i see when she is doing eye of strom/sancity?

[oak echo]

it always alternates, starting with eye

[mellow quartz]

Sounds like you tank her in the middle

[cinder nova]

Holy fuck the only way to brute force to 100 without spark or work orders is spamming hammers

and that is... A LOT of reagents.

Just the alloys alone is 480+ khaz'gorite

[unreal lily]

Can I use crafted shield, lariat, and frost fire belt all at once or is that too many embellishments?

[cinder nova]

Holy fuck this farm/shop list is prohibitive.

• 15 Awakened Order
• 135 Awakened Fire
• 60 Awakened Earth
• 60 Awakened Frost
• 870 Primal Flux
• 750 Draconium
• 525 Khaz'gorite

Kill me

[cinder nova]

As long as your shield doesn't have an embellishment you're fine.

Belt/Neck are both hard-locked embellishments.

[grim grotto]

for what is that ?

[cinder nova]

30 Master's Hammers.

[mighty valley]

I hope they reduce the reqs to unlock the final prof specialization, that’s the only thing that maxing prof skill matters that much for

[cinder nova]

It's the only way I can increase BSing

No work orders to fill for xp

And I'm not wasting a spark for 3 ups

[unreal lily]

Alright what about the sword? Is that an embellishment or can I equip that along with the other two?

[cinder nova]

What sword?

Look, if the item doesn't have an embellishment, it doesn't have an embellishment.

[vapid magnet]

yeahhhhh I had to brute force my blacksmithing like that

[cinder nova]

You can have 2 combat-related embellishments tops.

[unreal lily]

Ok cool thank you!

[mighty valley]

Ideally you just don’t need 100 in your prof and it’s more of a long term goal

[cinder nova]

I can't get my shield past 399.

[ionic roost]

Just work order from an alt

[cinder nova]

I have no alts QQ

[ionic roost]

Skill issue

[mighty valley]

Or friends

[vapid magnet]

does prot have a crafted item priority btw?

haven't had any luck figuring out the best way to go

[cinder nova]

All my friends are off-server. I raid with a guild on another server.

I'm gonna check the AH prices on this shit at the lowest grade to see what the overhead will be.

Some of this would be just a massive inconvenience to farm. Namely Khazgorite

85K for the Khaz... hm.

[vapid magnet]

I maxed perception on all items and things and it took me like 2 nights of flying around mining

[cinder nova]

Does that improve Khaz'gorite finding?

[vapid magnet]

im pretty sure it does

[obsidian path]

I believe it's a rare proc

[obsidian path]

So perception is the way to go

[crisp belfry]

i feeel like il running low msatery

im*

[cinder nova]

Mastery is dogshit.

[loud patrol]

thats good

[modern brook]

Don't feel just equip

[crisp belfry]

i guess i neeed above 20% no ?

[cinder nova]

Ultimately your secondaries rarely will matter, but aim for Haste > Crit = Vers >> Mast

There's no "required amount" of any stat for Prot.

That's copium.

[modern brook]

[obsidian path]

If the piece has strength, ilvl should be king ?

[cinder nova]

Ilvl is king.

Your two best stats for Prot are...

• Git gud
• ilvl/STR

Everything else is secondary.

[modern brook]

Secondary stats are secondary

[cinder nova]

Not even kidding. Your ability and play has such a major influence over how well you can do and how hard you can go.

Good gear wont spare you from bricking high keys if you're dogpiss.

Even if you blindly slapped on every highest ilvl piece, necks, trinkets, rings, and all - ignoring all secondaries and procs - you could still perform extremely well as long as you know what you're doing.

It's that simple.

[modern brook]

Succinctly said s

[cinder nova]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-suspicious-suspicious-dog-squinting-squint-chihuahua-squint-gif-26088382

Who the fuck makes the mining boxes.

[sacred hawk]

Why crit tho if it’s an unreliable stat? Unlike DK’s the ability to parry at 30% is still only 30%

[cinder nova]

Crit is more damage and can stop entire swings. Vers is less damage, but more survival.

They're close enough that you choose your flavor, but Crit will do more.

[modern brook]

Melee also still major source of damage in keys

[cinder nova]

^

[modern brook]

Parry does huge work there

[cinder nova]

Having 15 things all hitting you at once means you're mitigating a ton of damage from just parry.

[modern brook]

And in older dungos there's a lot of abilities that can be parried

[cinder nova]

And it rolls dodge and parry before block, so it's not like you're cucking yourself.

[modern brook]

See attunmen for example

[sacred hawk]

True true

[cinder nova]

Parrying Mortal Strike

Nnf

[modern brook]

Also way more offensive potential cause of the talent synergy with crit

Namely wild swings and crit dam

[solar mirage]

does shattering throw remove the shiled from the first boss in ruby

[blazing condor]

doubt

probably deals hella damage tho

[modern brook]

I've been smusing wrecking throw to do Hella damage

[cinder nova]

It's an absorb, it doesn't remove it, but it deals lots of damage.

Take Wrecking Throw over Shatter.

[modern brook]

Haven't tested shattering removing

[cinder nova]

Shatter is for PVP.

[solar mirage]

okok

thank yall

[neon elk]

Bit late reply, to the herya , when i pull her straight to storm guy, she sometimes start with few AA then goes into eye of storm, and sometimes she goes few AAs , then does shield of lightning on me , and then after she has like 7-8stacks she does eye .

[jade stump]

hey im sorry to ask but how good is the strike twice sword ?

from noghud?

[loud patrol]

meh

has mastery

[neon elk]

Slightly better than anything else on same ilvl, but totaly simable

[silver jungle]

I found some random 382 sword that leaves a dot on people which still sims higher than higher ilvl things but it just feels weird having a low ilvl wep

[loud patrol]

if it sims higher then thats not a problem

[upbeat salmon]

nope

[silver jungle]

eventually ilvl will overtake it but yeah never said it was a problem just that its weird 😛

[tender zealot]

I would still use the higher ilvl weapon

[mighty valley]

Is the sim pure ST? There aren’t that many truly ST fights right now

[silver jungle]

it was both st and dslice

weps called Blade of blazing torment

Im also aware dungeon slice isnt the best sim either

[edgy grail]

Dslice didnt seem too great for pwar last I checked

[wheat mulch]

is spell block good for anything this season?

[silver jungle]

couple of dungeons id say

[loud patrol]

god tier in TJS

[silver jungle]

good value in RLP too

[loud patrol]

where do u use it there?

[silver jungle]

on the way to mari and then not until Im dealing with all the sha mobs after 2nd boss cause it can block shadowclaw

[sick sentinel]

flash backs to BFA bursting 😦

i guess mage didn't get the memo that mages especially, and most healers, can just dispell it

[loud patrol]

i mean on rlp

[loud patrol]

i hate those people

[silver jungle]

sorry had a brain fade, first area first boss pretty much on cd on the 2nd story

mainly dragons tho

[modern brook]

Why would you do the mechanic when you can download an add on that does nothing except clutter yours and your teams ui and pretend like you're doing the mechanic???

[silver jungle]

^

I just report them as spam now

[sick sentinel]

i kept waiting for the tornado boss to do a lightning strike whatever it is conductive, never did it

didn't cross my mind its final boss thing, so i fucked it up each time tried to reflect it, im positive

[silver jungle]

for the storm dude to cast that you gotta go out of melee range

[sick sentinel]

he seems easy enough

[silver jungle]

so taunt spell reflect charge on the opener

then just wander out of melee when ever its off cd and wait for him to cast

[tulip oar]

Did almost 2 mil damage with it in s 15 NO. Lol

[silver jungle]

she's defs a slapper

[sick sentinel]

theres than 24k dps again

23.7k it says, but thats what i seem to recall saying earlier today

[silver jungle]

also the spell he casts is called wind burst I think

[proud dock]

do you guys use any major CDs p1 liu flameheart? i feel like just spell ref is enough

save everything for p2

[sweet summit]

sr all u can

and get dispelled for the ones you cant

rotate CDs in p2

[proud dock]

ye but in pugs i doubt we can coordinate dispells

[sweet summit]

what

[obsidian path]

Just ask before boss

[sweet summit]

if your healer doesn't know how to dispell i don't think you're getting to that boss anyway

[silver jungle]

or the next one for that fact XD

[sweet summit]

yea lol

[proud dock]

kekW

[cinder storm]

Lust when she swaps to green phase, survive until 30% if you die after 30% your team only has to blast the boss

[obsidian path]

Everybody does pugs, you can't pretend people have a thinking process activated only in pre-made

[slim dove]

healers should know how to press dispel regardless of pug vs coordinated.

[cinder storm]

You'd be surprised

[slim dove]

Oh trust me, i've been pugging all week

[tired forge]

anything important to know about tanking normal ras for the first time?

spell reflect thunderous energy?

[mortal brook]

The tanking is very delicate and demanding. You have to ||taunt on 1||. Good luck

[slim dove]

dont stand in breath

uhh

drag adds in p2

[tired forge]

ya thats y i asked, watched a video and it looks like i do nothing lol

[atomic flicker]

Can you dumb this down for me pls

[slim dove]

its actually a very simple fight and more just a gear check for dps

(as is every fight on normal/heroic)

[tired forge]

im comnig in as mildly udnergeared, 376 ilvl

ya i know i jsut dont want to screw my group lol

so want to make sure i know what to do

[mortal brook]

I cannot

[tired forge]

where am i dragging adds?

[slim dove]

in p2? to the next set of adds

[atomic flicker]

Out of razs stank.breath

[slim dove]

also that

[inland mesa]

Taunt on 1 for electric jaws. If they can't break p2 shield you can take the throw talent for more damage on it. P3 breath hits raid for how much you don't mitigate so big cd or external plus IP stack and reflect for it

Intermission 1 adds start on one elemental, bait breath, move that elemental and small adds to next elemental

[slim dove]

dont stand in breath

[tired forge]

ok thatts what i thought

[inland mesa]

Breath is significantly bigger than animation get way out

[tired forge]

how often do i get p3 breath?

need to have CDs for each time i assume

[silver jungle]

you will have shield wall and ip for one spell block and ip for the next

external and IP for the 3rd after that shes dead or your dead

will have shieldwall for both if you take one of the talents for shieldwall

[sick sentinel]

you think "those people" dont exist then you pug and they do exist

[inland mesa]

One tank gets 3 one gets 2 I believe

[marble cipher]

Are sims already "ok" for prot warrior? (for damage of course)

ST/Dungeon Slice

[silver jungle]

ST yes, dungeon slice someone said earlier isnt the best

[marble cipher]

aight

[tired forge]

i heard we can spell reflect it?

is that not true?

[compact jackal]

Man I hate the last boss here.

those orbs chasing me are scary

[noble jetty]

I find holding heroic leap and jumping to his tail is am easy way to get away from them, also charging to the fractures helps alot too!

[inland mesa]

Just move when they stop as far as you can so they're always trailing the group and reflect his claw

[somber sky]

apparently you don't get slowed when you have thundering debuff so abuse that to position better and then leap again to get further away from ballz

[onyx matrix]

Hey all, how good is the cobalt ring?

[sick sentinel]

Sorry for the stupid questions, would you lads consider upgrading the COS ring? Have it with a socket

Really unsure what I am sitting on my valor for

[icy bane]

Ya got both bis rings so yeah I’d upgrade it

[sick sentinel]

Well I am doing 17s atm for gear, but it has socket

So my thinking is I might as well just upgrade it to max

[cinder storm]

Save your valor after next reset, might get CoS ring there again, also, don't you have cobalt ring?

[hard vessel]

There is like 0 movement as tank, just get on some rocks and the balls will never reach you

[sick sentinel]

No I do not

[stark fox]

Assembly Guardian Ring. What ilvl is the proc worth?

[icy citrus]

Guys, do we know what are the best trinkets for us in m+?

[cunning knot]

So you want the frostfire belt if you get a fire dmg ring from the raid right?

Friend said its Frostfire damage counts as Fire damage with the rings

[loud patrol]

i have spent 70k gold to lvl enchanting from 1 to 80

if i buy the crystals for the last 20 lvls it will be around 90k more gold

remind me when in sl the purple crystals were 10k each and 1 week before df i sold them for 1g

[icy bane]

The orbs will still get to you if you are up against the wall.

[compact jackal]

and it SUCKS

they chase me for like 95% of the fight

Man, I want the primal mastery illusion.

[icy bane]

Healer can dispel high stacks of the slow, abuse thundering slow immunity, heroic leap

[compact jackal]

Should I just try to reroll this AV 15 🤔

my keys are kind of shit this season ngl

[mortal brook]

I see progress tho

[digital frigate]

I have come to accept I am vengeful prot warrior

[static girder]

doesnt prot has a filler ability?

[digital frigate]

today dps decline me he was 1800 rio to his +16 sbg

So when he try to join my +17 i decline him

[slim dove]

[digital frigate]

Why this give me joy

[mortal brook]

We spec out of it with devastator

[digital frigate]

idk

[static girder]

so, its like DH

no filler ability just auto hit

do prot even use whirlewind?

[chilly brook]

Yes it’s called revenge

[hardy snow]

There is no such word in our dictionary

[static girder]

Thanks for the information guys

[cinder nova]

That doesnt' look like a cobalt ring 🤔

[dry skiff]

Hey bros, what the cap for haste and versatility ?

[cinder nova]

Not in your ballpark. Don't worry about it.

[mortal brook]

100% haste is gcd cap, 198% vers for full DR

[cinder nova]

Nobody is touching it any xpack without external meme buffs.

[cinder nova]

Go time it. AV isn't that bad, but you gotta have a group with their head on straight

[compact jackal]

I've yet to have a key where I wasn't 2nd on damage

[cinder nova]

What are you overalls tho

[compact jackal]

I think I'm doing like 40-55 overall or something?

[cinder nova]

spicy sounds like you got gimpy dps

Most of mine are around 48-60K

And I float in high 30s to low 40s

[compact jackal]

Here was a NO from earlier actually

[cyan vector]

Hi guys,
Just wonder if [Strike Twice] https://www.wowhead.com/item=193700/strike-twice - Wep from Nokhud triggers ours [Devastator] Talent https://www.wowhead.com/spell=236279/devastator and if yes, then it's might be better to take that wep instead of another one even with higher iLvL ?? 🤔

[tulip oar]

I mean, it's there, but pretty sure we call it "waste of rage."

[cinder storm]

It's an ok weap with small amount of free extra damage, better ilvl will be better

[sick sentinel]

if devestator is auto attacks only, probably no