protection

[obsidian path]

Are you on orders page ?

[storm merlin]

🤷‍♂️

[obsidian path]

Or on your prof page ?

[storm merlin]

It doesn't show on crafting orders page

[cerulean musk]

That's in the prof page

[obsidian path]

Show the whole screen 🤔

[jovial wedge]

I´m getting desperate, can´t do the third boss of jade

after the jade serpent strike I always get deleted

[storm merlin]

without searching for something

[cerulean musk]

@storm merlin see above

[storm merlin]

interesting

[shut flare]

can anyone help please?

[opaque ledge]

wall one, healer external second, spell block third

throw in a demo shout where u need it

[bold turret]

SR as a DR too

[obsidian path]

Do you need to learn recraft at trainer ? 🤔

I don't remember on engi if I had to

[cerulean musk]

Yeah I can't see it as an option at the trainer, very confused

[atomic flicker]

Thunderclap is your prio

[obsidian path]

If you are overgearing the encounter you might use more revenge for damage and rage dump

[shut flare]

even with the tier buff?

[pallid quiver]

If you don't press Revenge naturally before it falls off, you've messed up somewhere

[jagged pier]

Thunderclap is only a prio on ST when in avatar

Kinda

[pallid quiver]

And that

[jagged pier]

Its difficult to explain the prio nowadays

[pallid quiver]

It generates rage, but it's less damage than revenge in ST without Unstoppable Force

[jagged pier]

But its on a longer cd as well

[atomic flicker]

The tier set is just a flat buff so you should have that up pretty much 24/7 anyway

[jagged pier]

Which is where u get your revenge casts in

U wont have it up in execute phase tbh

Not enough rage gen in ST

[pallid quiver]

but jakey, just simply optimize for that minor DPS gain 🙂

if you just properly weave a single revenge in the maintain the uptime at optimal moments, you get like,

what, was it like 250 DPS Nome said?

[jagged pier]

400-500

[atomic flicker]

Just revenge on any procs and you should have it up enough to still sexecute

[shut flare]

look at this guy the top 1

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wPHyBjYr78KcNpRX#fight=3&type=damage-done&source=6

he cast so much revenge

[atomic flicker]

He probly has enough haste to do enough revenges in the thunderclap window

[north dew]

which item i should craft next with spark? i have a elemental lariat and 1 spark left

Prot Warrior M+ only no raid

[shut flare]

Why is thinderclap still a prio over revenge when u need the tier buff?

[warm plinth]

You never cast Thunder Clap back to back; you have globals in between that you can cast other spells.

[jagged pier]

Yer hes being allowed to cheese on adds

[warm plinth]

Even during Avatar, you have a GCD in between.

[jagged pier]

The adds in my guold die within 2 seconds

[blazing condor]

Shield or wep is good

[limpid anchor]

still rocking the turtle trinket

Maybe I really should try to get it on 385 …

[jagged pier]

Or not

Its 1 rppm

It bad

[atomic flicker]

This. You'll still be casting plenty of revenges if you keep thunder clap on cd

[jovial wedge]

also I guess I should I use the defensive before the strike right? Instead of for the debuff.

[atomic flicker]

Also that guy wasn't using any defensive hardly

[obsidian path]

Debuff should be instant dispell

[atomic flicker]

He only used sb 6 times in a 4 min fight

[jovial wedge]

Also I don’t think you can’t reflect it, the Jade one

[opaque ledge]

No but u can spellblock it

[atomic flicker]

I wouldn't look at mythic raiders for tips on general rotation

[jovial wedge]

Reducing the dmg right?

[atomic flicker]

They are normally doing weird shit as a team

[opaque ledge]

ye with the spellblock talent

[shut flare]

How about in a almost patchwerk st fight like terros? At the end of the fight should there be more revenge casts or thunderclap?

[jagged pier]

Probably yes

But as i said the prio is weird and its dependant on play

[jovial wedge]

Thanks!

[atomic flicker]

You will probly cast more revenge cause it doesn't have a cd

[shut flare]

Just like genereal rule of thumb in a way cause somtimes not casting enough revenege will overcap rage even with tc on cd. That is where i get confused

[opaque ledge]

Use this document to check what u can block/reflect, its pretty useful https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vS26lkSc_eaulHX7-UY8Uu-7DAHvkScxh3npd0kQn3uvvWsgsQm9ducLUi4R2mb7ieNluVilyq5sQe5/pubhtml#

[atomic flicker]

If your capped on rage that's a different question

[mellow quartz]

Keep in mind spell block only blocks the initial hit and does nothing for the dot it leaves. You still wanna SR for the DR together with spell block.

[jagged pier]

If your capping rage u need to dumb more of it into ip

[shut flare]

Ignore pain? What if i dont need the damage mit of ip?

Like pure damage dealing

[atomic flicker]

Don't focus on how many casts there are in a fight that's the wrong thing to be looking at

[shut flare]

Ohhhhh the newbie in me did now know that it reduces cd of avatar

[atomic flicker]

It's cause your spending rage

Make sure you have the talent

[jovial wedge]

so just for this dungeon I should talent into spell block, like a must?

[mellow quartz]

It’s a nice talent in TJS.

[jovial wedge]

Can you do it without it?

[jagged pier]

Yes

[shut flare]

Why in The logs of mythic no one casts ignore pain

[jovial wedge]

What would be the sequence of defensives without it?

[jagged pier]

Because your looking at the top ppl, who are going for damage because they arent struggling in the fights

And the first 2 dont matter they do no damage

[limpid anchor]

Even if your grp is struggling, go for dmg and blame the healers

[jagged pier]

When its gets to prog u will see it more.

[limpid anchor]

Pwar is a dps in disguise

[jagged pier]

Also for some reason lots of then are running barbaric so they dont have the rage to ip

[north dew]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=367619/frostfire-legguards-of-preparation

[shut flare]

Sorry. I was looking at dmg done….. mybad

[north dew]

Is this a good item on 405 for prot warrior m+?

[jagged pier]

Medicore item im pretty sure

Its sense

[limpid anchor]

That’s like the 1 item you shouldn’t craft

[jagged pier]

He does it to confuse ppl

We got alot of questions about it last expansion

[north dew]

what would you recomend ? i have lariat on 405 alrdy and now 1 spark left to craft something

[jagged pier]

'What squeak, he casts it so much is it a dps increase'

[shut flare]

I was with a warrior that has a macro? Everytime he casts thunder clap he yells in chat “claps with benefits!!” Why do people do that? Seems like he is spamming

[jagged pier]

Thats a fast way to an ignore

[craggy pilot]

I already have reflect /s and frontal /s and that feels kinda spammy 😂

Oh and rally /s

Saw some people have wa that do /s when they wall and shit, to tell the healer 😂😂

[shut flare]

Yes but why thunder clap?

[noble lynx]

I used to macro song lyrics into my abilities when i was 14

[craggy pilot]

Rp purposes probably 🙈

Some people like weird shit

[median tulip]

If the healer needs to know they should install OmniCD

[craggy pilot]

Had a paladin who would spam all kinds of weird shit in /y when he did wings etc

[noble lynx]

Avatar for khaaaazmodaaan like muradin in wc3

[shut flare]

Maybe he has a talent that thunder clap has beneficial buffs? Is there a route that way? If not i dont know what “claps with benefits” means

[craggy pilot]

He would be like "BONKAI" when he popped wings 😂

[noble lynx]

Bankai

[keen star]

hi guys I'm checking WCL rankings and I see no goblins at all so I'm thinking of race changing. any tips for horde races and why? like their throughput, M+ usefulness, cheesing raids, or just looking the best

[noble lynx]

But iirc they never yelled bankai

[craggy pilot]

Pick any race bro, it does no difference

[noble lynx]

It was whispered

In bleach at least

[craggy pilot]

Huh?

[noble lynx]

But bleach is a z tier anime

[craggy pilot]

Oh it's anime shit? 😂

[mellow quartz]

% or actual terms?

[craggy pilot]

???

[mellow quartz]

who gives a shit abt %

if you do half their damage

[craggy pilot]

😂😂😂

[keen star]

I always choose based on their racials. I know that HMT is great for it's knockdown+movement for example, vulpera for M+ mitigation, or belf for AoE purge and tmogs. I'm just asking if anyone has their favorite race so I don't miss any cool racials I could consider.

[craggy pilot]

They are insanely close in functionality, so there is no racial tier list currently

[mellow quartz]

dwarf > all

[atomic flicker]

Panda master race

[craggy pilot]

Panda master race ye

2x food buff ♥️

Their rage gen is already quite high i guess

[mellow quartz]

stoneform is to op

[keen star]

panda's niche is the paralyze racial right, that also sounds nice for m+

my guild is horde sadly

[craggy pilot]

Well that and food buff x2

Panda can be horde

[keen star]

was replying to the dwarf racial, I wish I could have that

[craggy pilot]

Pick a race you think look good tbh

Racial is usually secondary

It's a fantasy game after all

Otherwise vulpera kinda sick for m+ 😂

[keen star]

because of the 5% first hit absorb? or is their active ability also good?

[craggy pilot]

But is 4,7% of hunter DPS higher than 5,3% of dk dps?

[craggy pilot]

Absorb

[atomic flicker]

I only care about prot warrior

Please fiddle the numbers so prot gets PI

[craggy pilot]

Lol arms loses DPS? 🤔

[keen star]

how can it be 0 if haste affects things like Rend, AA and GCD?

and PPM

[craggy pilot]

Because arms already has enough rage

[atomic flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/community-ken-jeong-ben-chang-cant-see-small-gif-5154350

[mortal brook]

how are things getting negative

[blazing condor]

Idk if its just me but ive literally never used panda incapacitate

[atomic flicker]

Death Knight got some real bad luck in those sims

[blazing condor]

I forgot it existed

[atomic flicker]

Its not great it only 4s so hardly worth it

and its not ranged so dps just break it out immediatly anyway

[keen star]

more iterations then

[craggy pilot]

I use it as an extra pummel 😂

Panda this!

[keen star]

I also learned about the racial from mitch jones

[craggy pilot]

But man the epicurean is 🐐

2x Food buff, and now it doesn't even run off when i die 😊

[atomic flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/kung-fu-panda-po-eating-excited-happy-gif-4275682

Me in raid

[craggy pilot]

While i have +75 str in a key 😊

Panda power 🐼

[atomic flicker]

Thanks babes

[craggy pilot]

I still want PI as arms warrior, because then its easier for me to stay ahead of competition 😂

[atomic flicker]

Can you just move Prot warrior up a bit so i can post this to my guild cheers

[craggy pilot]

Prot warr +10k

[craggy pilot]

Photoshop it 😂

[atomic flicker]

Im trying to get someone else to do it for me

Im hungover

[pallid quiver]

I've seen people play Devoker

but hear me out

what if i were to

[craggy pilot]

Seems best for our raid comp is either BM or boomie

[pallid quiver]

stop seeing people play devoker for... some reason

i can't believe me clamoring for every kind of DPS buff is 10/10 optimal

this is truly the xpac of all time

[craggy pilot]

Pala season buff and PI 😂

[pallid quiver]

we should also continue to discourage playing ele shaman for DPS shamans

[craggy pilot]

Now make one for WFT DPS gain

So we can go in WFT grp 😂

[pallid quiver]

I was popping so much harder than the DPS in one of my pug raids that I went, "hey, it'd be funny if you put the windfury shaman in my group" and they actually did it

it's been so long since i've actually been granted the opportunity to take advantage of it that i went power mad

[craggy pilot]

Haha 😂😂

"gimme all the externals"

Wft+seasons+PI 😂😂

[limpid anchor]

wait isn’t wf not a flat dps increase?

We have 2 enh in our guild, according to the wf wa I have the second highest wf dmg

[sweet summit]

prot has one of the highest % gains from WFT

but that doesn't always mean it's the best for overall raid dps

[mortal brook]

Bloodmallet missing several profiles

Wft significant for bears as well

[pallid quiver]

just scribble bears in crayon at the bottom

no one will question it

[velvet stone]

I'm preparing for next spark, is the armor spike embelishment still the best?

[craggy pilot]

Ah ye ok, did you base the PI results on already having WFT?

Cus that could explain the Arms being so poor 🤔

How does arms look if they don't have Wft, and gain PI? 🤔

[heavy temple]

How do you pull bosses like eranog, raszageth or kurog, when you need to move them immediatley to a different position.

I felt like charging in, makes this process slower, but that seems to be mostly an issue at kurog

[atomic flicker]

2 options either spam heroic throw

or charge shield slam and heroic leap

[tacit haven]

MD's help, also taunt on pull to keep it on you for a while

[heavy temple]

Yeah, i did taunt HT spam

[obsidian path]

Intervene a monk or something

[tacit haven]

or like a second into pull to have it focus you while you position

[heavy temple]

Okay, thanks guys

this way just felt so clumsy

so i thought I'd ask in case i miss sth obvious

tyvm

[pulsar marsh]

sorry if this has been asked before, but do you guys know where Spell-Block is a must-have in M+??? some guy here jsut told me you can use it on 3rd boss from TJS i.e. and it makes the fight trivial according to him

[craggy pilot]

It's a must have in the dungeons where you struggle with magic dmg

Temple is a good candidate

[pulsar marsh]

I assume RLP would be the next candidate right?

1st and 2nd boss murder me

[craggy pilot]

Maybe first boss, didn't do too much RLP this week so not 100% sure

[outer solstice]

2nd boss murder is a dot

[craggy pilot]

Also depends what lvl keys you're doing

[sweet summit]

spell block won't do a lot on 2nd boss

[frosty mango]

I just think of spell reflect like shield wall for bosses

[outer solstice]

nah

shield block is sustainable

[frosty mango]

Is it magic? Yes, press the button

Wall not block

[outer solstice]

shield wall is waaaaay better

and also works against magic

[white plover]

guys is there a way to track reliably claw frenzy at fenryr?(everytime i missplay my rally at this boss)

[frosty mango]

My point is moreso it's a reduction CD

Not a reflect in most boss cases

[outer solstice]

like spellreflect is too

[frosty mango]

I meant reflect sorry

[outer solstice]

remember SR stays now after a reflect

[frosty mango]

My brain not fueled with enough coffee now

[tacit haven]

ok, adds on tree in algethar, how do you grab them all in the second wave, the one that just insta aggroes dps?

[sweet summit]

aoe taunt

[heavy temple]

Does spell block work on 1st boss spawn dmg

[outer solstice]

shockwave for 2nd round

[outer solstice]

have you checked senses spreadsheet?

[frosty mango]

I do ravager/roar for first round, aoe taunt for second

[outer solstice]

[undone raft]

Whats the difference with tinker: arclight vital correctors ranks? Doesn't specify

[remote dawn]

but dot only when the boss hit you with the tank buster hit you. or?

[outer solstice]

even when SR is up it does I think, even from range

[tacit haven]

hmm, they just insta aggroed on spawn and kill healer, will need to time ravager/shockwave/roar better I guess

[outer solstice]

then healer needs to gtfo the spawn spots

and you need to ralyl the explosion

to buy him time

[ebon geyser]

Merry Christmas

[dense coral]

merry xmas warriors

[frosty mango]

Yea if the healer is standing in the spawn as soon as they activate they will wreck them

Less a you problem more a them problem

[ebon geyser]

do we go to one of the guides more than the other?

[craggy pilot]

Just read all of them, and make a proper decision yourself

Usually we go for most

I believe icy veins is written by mwahi

[ebon geyser]

and wow my llarod

i trsut both lol

[craggy pilot]

Yea same

Just the gear sections are a bit weird 🤔

[digital crag]

any recomandation for dungeon trinkets for m+ ?

[ebon geyser]

havent look at it

[craggy pilot]

You can check the wowhead guide, but otherwise whetstone, both nokhud trinkets, maybe ruby whelp

Big toe, maybe the hyrja trinket

[digital crag]

thanks 😄

[tulip oar]

Whetstone and rumbling ruby.

Blazing shell isn't bad either.

[tulip oar]

Spell block saved my bacon many times, though I only run it for a couple dungeons. AA, RLP, Jade temple.

[vocal nimbus]

guys, i wanna place an order for a lariat but the receipt shows only one socket

what should i ensure to get all 3?

[tulip oar]

You add them with items you can buy on the auction house

You only need to buy rank 2 and 3

[vocal nimbus]

ok thanks!

[warm plinth]

Tiered medallion setting is what you're after

[severe hatch]

Doesn't have the unique embellished line in the item description

[hazy sluice]

For what parts in these dungeons is spell block used ? Atm I am so over geared for the keys we go that I don't know what hurts

Wanna be prepared 😄

[tulip oar]

Helps when reflect is on cooldown, mostly for big tank buster abilities like 3rd boss of jade temple.

That panda trucks hard, and with spell block you can ignore one of the massive hits plus the heal.absorb it puts on you.

[zenith path]

does anyone macro defensive stance with shield wall?

[high drum]

no because i usually shield wall in bstance

for damage

[craggy pilot]

So many people think you can only do 3 sockets on lariat lol 😂

You can do 3 sockets on any neck

[oak condor]

Hello, kinda wanted to ask you guys about what my sec crafted item should be as i just got the neck, i got both 415 wep and shield from mythic eranog/council and it says on wowhead that i want to craft either of those 2 pieces, but then we have the helmet which is also kinda decent

What should i craft which would give me the biggest gain

[craggy pilot]

Where you gain the most ilvl

But rly it's up to you

Just keep in mind tier slots

[trim minnow]

I would go for the embelish wrists or most ilvl gain

[craggy pilot]

Crafted items are best early, when they give high ilvl increase, so seeing you have probably full mythic gear, there's almost no point in crafting now 🤷

[craggy pilot]

This or the belt, depending on if he does other stuff than tank

[oak condor]

eh ive only killed 2 mythic bosses lmao, and i have not gotten any tier pieces as im a tonk

[craggy pilot]

Helm also good

If you craft helm you can get unlucky with tier drops though

[oak condor]

but the helmet is like 398 and my wrist are 402 which has vers haste on it

so it should be helmet?

[craggy pilot]

Vers haste doesnt rly matter

[trim minnow]

Belt is also good like he said

[craggy pilot]

Ilvl is more important

[craggy pilot]

Depends how likely you feel you will loot a tier helm early 🤔

[trim minnow]

Depends if you raid only imo

[craggy pilot]

But in the end there is no "bis" crafted list

So it's all up to you

[oak condor]

im doing alot of m+, but i should be getting tier pieces next week

[tired forge]

@trim minnow which embellishment?

[trim minnow]

Some item that gives vers stacks

[tired forge]

if I am mainly focusing on M+ what 2 would i take?

Coming back to warrior after foolishly swapping to DH before the nerfs

[trim minnow]

For M+ its better to go the tanky route as this season is all about survival to time Keys and not dmg

Imo

[craggy pilot]

Did you read the pins?

[trim minnow]

I would go wrist + neck - its both just vers procs

[craggy pilot]

Crafting for early gain is big on 1h/shield though

[trim minnow]

Yh agreed

[tired forge]

I did

[craggy pilot]

If i were to start fresh on warr, i would craft shield, then wep, any day of the week

Never lariat untill like week 5

[trim minnow]

Wep-> neck + wrist is my current route after reroll aswell

[tired forge]

My weapon and sheil are 385 from pvp and elemental

my wrists/belt are the only blues i have left

so thinking wrists

[craggy pilot]

385 is not super high tbh

When shield can go to 418

[tired forge]

i agree

[trim minnow]

Did you do m0s? If u get a titan thing u Can quickly get 380+ and start farming 16s

[tired forge]

ya i did all the M0s

got 1 titan 😦

[trim minnow]

And its used i guess ? :p

[craggy pilot]

Probably not possible for the avg guy to do 16s at 380 ilvl 😂

[tired forge]

ya i made a ring since its the highest value imo

[craggy pilot]

I'm doing +16s at 392 ilvl now

[tired forge]

I think 12s are fine at 376 but hard to get invites 😛

so trying to pump stuff up

[trim minnow]

Personally Got full gear with m0s, pve+pvp Weekly and couple of rares

[tired forge]

thats what i did 😛

[trim minnow]

I mean pugging is dogshit ngl

[craggy pilot]

Very hard to get invites, and if people join a key you host and they look ilvl and r.io they might leave

[trim minnow]

These Dungeons are not build for pugging

[tired forge]

ya, i have a 1900 main thankfully but its still hard

[craggy pilot]

I have people leave my keys at 1800 r.io and 392 ilvl when inviting for 17 😂

[full violet]

Understandable

[solar blade]

for 17s id take 2k+ only man

[tired forge]

i agree

[trim minnow]

Watch the ring stats btw - its 382 but has more stam than 398 rings for some reason. So check it out before u replace with higher ilvl

[craggy pilot]

Well when i pushed the key, and host the key 🤔

But ye people wanna be hard carried in 17 😂

It's fking week 2 lol

[tired forge]

so if i wsant trying to pump ilvl, weapn and sheild would be big? then neck nest spark

[limpid anchor]

Rio doesn’t mean shit at the 2k range

[full violet]

We didnt say youre not capable, you absolutely are. But some ppl dont wanna risk a timewaste/shitshow

[solar blade]

take like nokhud 17 that key is hard for >95% of the playbase

[trim minnow]

I Think neck + wrist is the Best m+ choices for embellish

[craggy pilot]

Shield is big cus it's the only place you can get block

[trim minnow]

But you cant go wrong with wep + shield

[craggy pilot]

Had a +17 hall fail cus the 2000+ 400 ilvl heal couldn't heal through the hyrja storm thing

[full violet]

Theres exceptions ofc

Also 2k week 1 was alot, now its not

[trim minnow]

It is rly hard tho. Also some healers still need to learn to keep 10 stacks while healing aswell

[craggy pilot]

But honestly 2000 r.io is hard currently with how low gear we had week 1

[oblique kayak]

no it isn’t

2k is a couple 16 and rest can be 10s

[craggy pilot]

I guess the normal is tryharding, and casuals don't exist in this game 😂

Would expect 2k is way above the avg currently

But got no data to show for it

[limpid anchor]

2k is a joke atm

It’s just all +14s or so

[oblique kayak]

2300 and above is where it’s at atm

[craggy pilot]

I'm at like 1900, with 0 score RLP tyran

And i been spamming week 1 and 2 lol

[errant ivy]

Hey guys quick question how much haste should we target before we start shifting to vers?

[full violet]

Yea thats another 80 for like a 14

[craggy pilot]

There's not really a goal

[full violet]

Never Stop 😂

[honest portal]

Hi all, fang adornments or bronze gripped for weap is better?

[full violet]

None of those

[errant ivy]

Awesome! I’m seeing like 41% haste with into the fray, was worried I was hitting a cap or something

[craggy pilot]

I think fang has better ppm for melee

[craggy pilot]

Are you playing ITF for raid?

[trim minnow]

Yh put fang on and Then remove it later when u go for the other embellish

[craggy pilot]

This

[errant ivy]

Yeah - is that bad?

[vocal nimbus]

what gems are you putting into lariat?

[craggy pilot]

No, it's ok for raid, bad for m+ unless playing specific build

[honest portal]

Noted thanks both!

[vocal nimbus]

main stat + 2 pure haste or haste/versa?

[full violet]

Latter

[errant ivy]

Oh ok! Are these builds pinned or written up anywhere?

[trim minnow]

Main + haste/vers

[craggy pilot]

I think the split ones have higher stat budget

[craggy pilot]

Pins ye

Usually you ITF + bolster, to make up for the SB uptime you lose from HR

[errant ivy]

Ty vm

[craggy pilot]

And in m+ tough as nails is more dmg than ITF

[errant ivy]

Awesome, good to know

[craggy pilot]

At least for now

[solar blade]

read the pins for more info

[errant ivy]

Love how helpful you guys are here. Thanks

[full violet]

In TJS i use spellblock instead of TAN^^

[solar blade]

can do that but there arent a lot of targeted spells that follow the aggro meter

[full violet]

Only for Last Pack tho

Dark claws are blockable

[craggy pilot]

I use spell block + double wall in temple 😂

Just for safety

[full violet]

This Last Pack is all my nightmares in one

[sweet summit]

that pack is so much fun on tyrannical

[solar blade]

is fine but i dont rly care about that pack if you have wall an all cds up + group does their cc
you have to kite in higher keys that group is hard

[craggy pilot]

Which ones cast dark claw?

[sweet summit]

on fortified i shid my pant

[full violet]

Kiting is fine, until He spawns additional adds

[solar blade]

you can aoe taunt nomatter

[full violet]

Idk, im too bad for this pack

Hard struggling

[solar blade]

i also use leap or pull the big sha away when he spawn his little bastards so i can charge to gain distance if i have to move

yeah dark claw hits like a truck

[full violet]

So i just use spellblock

[solar blade]

your group has to help you tbh

[full violet]

Tell those pugs

[craggy pilot]

Spell block + double wall and that pack is zzz

[full violet]

"dogtank"

[solar blade]

like in some other cases aswell but hey its a pug

[full violet]

Currently hitting a wall with pugs tho

[languid light]

What is “double wall”?

[full violet]

Shield Wall x2

Dunno whats the talents Name, but under normal circumstances its a waste

[last crest]

is is RPL 1st boss circle thing proximity based or not ?

i dont see any mention about prox, but every healer keeps saying it is

[cinder storm]

Aegis defender that and spell block are good for rlp as well

[last crest]

i just need to know if the ability of boss is proximity based or not

[upbeat salmon]

I think you might get a tick if close

[cinder storm]

Chill storm? It does more damage inside

[upbeat salmon]

But the bomb effect is same I think

[upbeat salmon]

If you're outside of the circual you'll only get the low end damage

You'll get chomped standing in it though

[solemn aspen]

Hey, Is it possible to get all adds on the platform with distrupting shout ? (dathea)

[jagged pier]

Doesnt reach that far i believe and i dont think loosemin SD is worth tbh

[ionic roost]

You can hit all but one

[solemn aspen]

oh i did all but two

[limpid anchor]

Doesn’t seem worth it tho

Considering people have … interrupts

[solemn aspen]

not in pugs 😄

[ancient reef]

sorry just checking for stats

haste/crit or crit/vers for elemental lariat

[limpid anchor]

Haste

Second doesn’t matter much

[sick sentinel]

there is great debate here about which non haste stat to stack

all 3 have good arguments

[neat sable]

crit gang cant take damage if you parry every attack

[sick sentinel]

crit = offense, vers = defense mastery = balance of offense/defense

thats sort of how i view it

if you have all totem, you go crit however, to give your self more chance to parry through the passive that turns crit into parry, which makes trinket proc more often in m+

[jagged ferry]

Hey lads, what missives etc do we put on the Primal Molten Defender?

[upbeat salmon]

Prob haste vers

[jagged ferry]

and armor spikes?

[olive steeple]

Check pins, whatever you want my guy

[jagged ferry]

I couldnt see anything in pins 😦

[sick sentinel]

haste / your choice

[onyx matrix]

Hey all, so I obtained the bone trinket from shadowmoon burial grounds. Is it any good for us? Cheers

[naive sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/merry-christmas-dancing-santa-claus-reindeer-christmas-day-gif-19273831

[sick sentinel]

do i keep it in bags to cheese a higher ilvl

[foggy loom]

Ye

[sick sentinel]

im with a 376 equiped and enchanted from lfr

i was super excited first minute or so it dropped

jebaited drops, 1 h mace

[proud patrol]

can i use spell block against the dark claw tank hit in temple from these little sha's

[candid aspen]

any tips on how to tank academy tree boss?

[strong forum]

Yes

[sick sentinel]

everyone stack, everyone move same agreed direction small increments till that finishes, aoe them down fast

if they go everywhere all over the map spawning in GG you played your self

then, you get first interupt on the branch, and you get many of those as you can while its alive, dps alternates interrupts

[upbeat salmon]

It should be dead before 3rd cast

[sick sentinel]

should and are is 2 seperate universes

[upbeat salmon]

I know

But if it ain't dead, then you'll start running into issues

Because the boss will start spawning more shits

[sick sentinel]

don't panic, stick to the plan

[candid aspen]

my expectation is 3 to the very least in tyraniccal

[upbeat salmon]

Depends on key lvl

But you can grab first 2 if specced into stun

And possibly 3rd

More if tauren

[candid aspen]

what do you mean by this?

[upbeat salmon]

The stunning hammer

You kick first, stun second

Should have kick back

So kick 3rd

[sick sentinel]

i bet u there is some turbo cheese on that tree boss like, you just take it to the wall and everyone stacks at corners, so all the mobs are at 5 pixels on the map, adds die in 10 seconds, boss dies in 45 seconds later

[upbeat salmon]

Probably is

Because fuck picking up adds without AoE taunt

[sick sentinel]

clap revenge and ravage, but yes lol

[upbeat salmon]

I mean yeah

But AoE taunt is so nice there

[slim dove]

ive been doing fine alternating ravager, shout, and roar.

[upbeat salmon]

Shockwave and dragon roar too

[slim dove]

still the most aids boss in m+ this expac and i hope it just gets removed lul

[upbeat salmon]

I mean if your healer or ranged dps doesn't run off with the stragglers...

[slim dove]

id rather do a 15 rlp over a 11 academy at this point

[upbeat salmon]

Wat?

You mad?

Tree boss is fine

[torn locust]

I’m at 385 iLVL what should my ideal dps be? I see Prot warriors already with 20k+ dps and im stuck at like 14k

[upbeat salmon]

Just tell the MM to not shoot from Africa

[slim dove]

the fuck are you asking if im mad? is this early 2010 cod or something?

[sick sentinel]

BDK with GFG and abomination limb "that fight is easy bro!"

[upbeat salmon]

Spam clap more

And slam

110k slams.... Hmmmm

[torn locust]

Lol…

[sick sentinel]

well, shit, i hope that fights easy for you

[upbeat salmon]

British for crazy

[strong forum]

With 385 you can be well around 35k

So uh

[torn locust]

Then idk wtf

[strong forum]

There's alot to unpack it seems

[torn locust]

I’m talking about single target

Aoe fights no problem it’s ST

[upbeat salmon]

14k st?

[strong forum]

Then closer to 30k

[upbeat salmon]

Slam more

[torn locust]

Yeah it’s awful. Idk wtf im doing wrong. Always hitting shield slam when it pops up. And revenge intro thunderclap lol

[sick sentinel]

u have to hit more buttons in general and more buttons and the right time, and more short cd buttons like SS on CD

[upbeat salmon]

Avatar on cd?

[sick sentinel]

buffs like avatar or demo at the right time

avatar on cd in combat when u can attack

[upbeat salmon]

Also, combat stance 🙂

Cauz fuck dstance

[torn locust]

I’m on d-stance lol

All the time lol

[upbeat salmon]

Y Though?

[sick sentinel]

best if u can us with demo and other cds (shield charge, roar shockwave, etc)

try not to use it on packs u know can disorient/stun you

[upbeat salmon]

I just spam everything

If you die, blame the healer

[sick sentinel]

nothing like popping avatar and then 8 seconds of silenced

[slim dove]

should unironically be in battle stance about 99% of the time

[strong forum]

Yeah if you're in d-stance

Youll do 14% less dmg

[slim dove]

few tank busters you'll wanna be in dstance for but thats it

[torn locust]

Are y’all serious lol I feel like a hella moon

Noob*

[strong forum]

Yes

[slim dove]

yeah we serious

[strong forum]

B-stance for almost all the time, d-stance for when you actually take heavy dmg/tank busters

[sick sentinel]

i'll figure out which bosses are continous pains in the ass regardless of affixes and then just throw on dstance for that boss fight, and then bstance again

[strong forum]

They're off-gcd

Just switch based on need

[torn locust]

That explains the low ass dps…WHACK!!!

[sick sentinel]

thats how i will handle dstance

[strong forum]

Well even then

With full d-stance I'd still do like 30k

It's 14% dmg

[torn locust]

Not me lol

[strong forum]

So there's more to unpack

[upbeat salmon]

I'm up to 14s, started going dstance for bosses

[strong forum]

Got any logs?

[torn locust]

Idk what else I could be doing wrong though

Let me check

My guild has em

[strong forum]

Lots of people say "I press stuff on CD"

[upbeat salmon]

Press more buttons

[strong forum]

But then don't

[upbeat salmon]

Don't hold stuff

[strong forum]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9cHyGMdaqPh8LR74#fight=53&type=damage-done&source=1

That's my sennarth hc log if you wanna have a look

[slim dove]

@strong forum ive done 25 courts this week

no whetstones

:help:

[strong forum]

It was #4 world at the time dunno if it still is

[sick sentinel]

i think i did a +2 RLP and did 24k dps

i know i saw 24k dps and that was first time i turned on meters in long time

no idea if it was overall or boss

[torn locust]

@strong forum sent

[upbeat salmon]

You doing mobs one at a time?

[sick sentinel]

uhh dunno were you in my key perhaps?

im on NA area 52

[blazing condor]

ancestral protectors stone kinda mid right

only got wq trinkets in high ilvl rn

compared to battle scarred scale /blazing essence

[sick sentinel]

Nah they're trying to be toxic

[wintry jetty]

2pc or make belt for ring? 🫠

(same ilvl difference)

[storm merlin]

To bis ring or not to bis ring..

[strong forum]

Long term ring is better

Short term tier is better

The choice is yours

[wintry jetty]

even without belt or belt required?

[strong forum]

Belt required

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzpndHtdl9A

[sage sierra]

Hey guys, best trinkets for m+? 🙂

[slate lion]

I'm struggling to keep aggro as prot. I feel like my AOE's isn't big enough

im doing academy, and sometimes i'm not keeping the aggro on the seedlings

[pulsar parrot]

Rotate through your major pops. You should have avatar or at least Shield Charge. Can also rely on Ravager to pull those seeds cause they are so spread out

[craggy pilot]

On the boss? Just rotate your AOE taunt and dragon roar and ravager

[upbeat salmon]

I just mean you can probably pull bigger in a +2, is all

[craggy pilot]

And u should be good

[upbeat salmon]

No pun intended

[pulsar parrot]

Save challenging shout for the first time the seeds pop up

[sick sentinel]

https://raider.io/mythic-plus-runs/season-df-1/4286209-2-ruby-life-pools

this is the RLP 2, 2 chest

[upbeat salmon]

Wait the belt?

[sick sentinel]

one of them is a 353 monk dps so

[stable valve]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=191623/unstable-frostfire-belt

[upbeat salmon]

You timed it so whatever dps you did is irrelevant at that point, was just pocking fun at you

[stable valve]

Only way for us to do fire dmg besides trinkets

[upbeat salmon]

Ooooh, cauz I have the ring

So imma need to make belt....

And I have shield already...

And wanted Lariat <_<

[jade pulsar]

U get new spark on reset, ur fine

[rough solar]

Frostfire Belt?

[upbeat salmon]

But have the special shield, you can't stack embellishments

You're allowed 2

Pretty sure the belt counts as one

And so does the Lariat

[jade pulsar]

Can't u recraft to remove embellishments? Or was that a fever dream

[upbeat salmon]

You could if it wasn't built in to the shield

I made the vers one

[craggy pilot]

That's where you went wrong 😬 should have made the Primal Molten

[jade pulsar]

Ahh

[craggy pilot]

But then you just wait 3 weeks and ur good

[upbeat salmon]

I mean, it's really nbd

[waxen surge]

maybe I’m missing on the lingo, is there a best second crafted item with Lariat?

[upbeat salmon]

anyone got parses with frostfire belt and ring ?

[slim dove]

nooo ur 3 weeks behind a 1% difference

[upbeat salmon]

so i can put a number on it ?

[upbeat salmon]

i honestly don't give a shit about 1% 🙂

[strong forum]

~2k dps

Both combined

[slim dove]

On ST?

[strong forum]

Ye

[slim dove]

I assume it gets much with better AOE no?

[strong forum]

Doubt it

Ppm and so on

[slim dove]

Oh ring proc is single target dot

nm, i thought it was a pulsing aoe

[trim minnow]

Im gonna sim it later tonight when i get home
Both aoe and st

[gray lintel]

I wanna get a 392 shield crafted to replace my 359 for low keys. Is shield of the hearth worth it? Can't customize the secondaries on it but has a seemingly cool proc. https://www.wowhead.com/item=192081/shield-of-the-hearth

[craggy pilot]

Depends if you want other embellishments later on

For something like raid it can only proc while you're actively tanking

[slim dove]

primal molten.

[tired pivot]

primal molten is better

[gray lintel]

Oh yeah not planning to raid. Got some brez wrists crafted already

[tired pivot]

the proc will not really help you where it matters in m+

[lyric elm]

Did a portion of Tyrannical get added to your mythic rating provided you have cleared the same key level on Fortified?

[tired pivot]

the full tyranicall points get added to your in game score

they completely separated the two

[lyric elm]

Oh I thought they didnt overlap

[gray lintel]

So primal molten better just because I can have haste on it?

[tired pivot]

yes

the vers proc is not consistent enough

if it procced a lot, it would be better

[gray lintel]

Says 2.2 ppm, thought that was pretty good

[craggy pilot]

I love how people say vers shield proc is bad, but lariat secondary proc is good 🤔

Doesn't really add up 😂

[tired pivot]

I am not saying it is bad

[gray lintel]

Yeah

[slate lion]

mainly on the ads. like i just feel like my threat isnt high overall

[tired pivot]

I am saying it is worse than the perma haste

[slate lion]

maybe it was just the boss

i didnt have issues holding aggro on the ads throughout the dungeon

[craggy pilot]

The boss adds? Just use AOE CDs, avatar is really powerful with TC

[slate lion]

the seeds may have been too spread out

[tired pivot]

I would rather use avatar with ravager

TC will always pull aggro

with single taunt for the super pumped on add

in case you run arcane or something

[gray lintel]

Okay so speaking of which, lariat is worth it for prot? Sim says approx 600 dps difference but I understand there's also defensive value

[tired pivot]

it is BiS neck

[craggy pilot]

Shield gives block, so even without the proc it's very good

Just craft the primal molten shield imo

Lariat is overhyped

[tired pivot]

if you don't have a good shield already

get it yeah

otherwise neck is better

[craggy pilot]

He said he had 380 shield or something

[gray lintel]

359 lol from heroics

[craggy pilot]

But i guess the idea with lariat neck, is to have haste proc, not vers proc

[gray lintel]

Yeah

[wind cliff]

hello there, do you think item level > 2 set ? i have a head 415, i dont know if is better thank my 398 2p

[gray lintel]

Getting another spark next week so I can have both new shield and neck

[craggy pilot]

Did you sim it?

[craggy pilot]

Or new wep and new shield

[wind cliff]

no, but the sim will only compare output damage right ?

[craggy pilot]

Forgot what the tier set does other than +dmg 🤔

[gray lintel]

Was thinking about weap too but seems like defensive value is better for me right now. Avg ilvl is 367ish and doing up to +9 keys right now. HoV was a breeze but Academy last night was crushing

[wind cliff]

4% reduc damage

[keen star]

hi guys is this a meme or should I use it if it sims the most out of my trinkets?

[craggy pilot]

Lariat doesn't rly add defensive value tho

[lyric elm]

Academy is a lot about dps not dying hehe

[craggy pilot]

It's rly good

[craggy pilot]

No clue then honestly, i would probably just use whatever sims the most dmg, don't think it will make you die anyway

[wind cliff]

ok i will sim then ty for answer !

[gray lintel]

I figure haste = rage = more IP. not that I'm starved for rage much though

[craggy pilot]

If you want defensive value, get something like shield + wrist

[slim dove]

not a meme, busted ass trinket

[gray lintel]

Got a brez wrist already. Or did you mean something else / some other tinker?

[severe steeple]

its pretty good for M+, you can macro it to shout and forget about it too

[craggy pilot]

Ah meant the vers wrist

But in the end, it's pretty much the same anyway

[keen star]

but double on-use would suck 😦

thought that decoration of flame is bis

[severe steeple]

what other on use you have?

[keen star]

just decoration of flame 402

and non-use 408 totem or 402 ruby whelp

[severe steeple]

well then id say just keep it in your bags since you already have bigger trinkets

[keen star]

if I ever decide to off-spec fury I'll keep it

[severe steeple]

can't tell you which one is better

[uneven locust]

does shield have a huge difference in damage mitigation?

[severe steeple]

whetstone is rly good for prot, just you have had some luck and gotten other trinkets as well

[craggy pilot]

Double on use sounds fun as fk lol

[keen star]

so people actually run whetstone in the raid?

[severe steeple]

its not a "stuck with this" trinket by any means

i have it 389 and try to get 398 also

raid i have no clue

M+ is rly good cause of aoe dmg it provides

[craggy pilot]

I think whetstone is biggest on ST, or i might remember wrong

But the raid trinkets u have are also quite big

[severe steeple]

and as ive told you, i have it macroed to shout so it doesn't even feel like an on use

[craggy pilot]

Just sim them, and use what you like the most tbh

Or swap around a bit

[keen star]

you can't use 2 trinkets within 20 seconds of each other that's why it's feelsbadman

[craggy pilot]

Rotate them

[severe steeple]

one set of cds one trinket other set of cds other trinket

[craggy pilot]

You have a lot of CDs as prot anyway

[keen star]

I'll try in this cos 17 I guess

[edgy jetty]

Brutal vitality or Fueled by Violence? I'm pretty new to prot

[craggy pilot]

This

[craggy pilot]

But honestly do what u feel is most fun, try out a different trinket in each dungeon

U have a real first world problem with 3x BIS trinkets 😂

[keen star]

the damage looks good but it's also -400 str

[craggy pilot]

Doesn't matter rly, but we lean towards what is being picked in the talents in pins

[uneven locust]

does having a higher ilvl shield give a huge difference when tanking?

[craggy pilot]

Yes

It's our biggest defensive item

[silk sandal]

i know the general answer is "just sim it" but is there a ballpark ilvl value for the extra effect on the strike twice weapon? I disenchanted on that was a few ilvls under my main hand and then thought it might have extra value from the extra effect

or is it just a bonus

[uneven locust]

oh ok thanks my 343 shield cant tank a 15 lmfao

[craggy pilot]

It's just extra bonus, don't pick it over ilvl

Pick highest ilvl wep

[silk sandal]

okay, thats kinda what i thought and why is de-ed it 😛

thanks!

[craggy pilot]

If you have 2 same ilvl, pick strike twice

[craggy pilot]

You can upgrade it with valor tho 🤷

[silk sandal]

well i have the 402 weapon from some early heroic boss and it wass like 392 or something

as an m+ main ill just get a higher ilvl drop

[craggy pilot]

Maybe better to save valor then, up to you really

Decisions

[silk sandal]

instead of getting 4 piece from vault this week, ill just get that. easy 😛

[slim dove]

its 6-7% of your dmg over a dungeon (the trinket)

its absolutely cracked

[silk sandal]

just gotta replace the shitty ruby whelp trinket and im good to go lol

[craggy pilot]

He has totem + flame in 408 tho 😂

So he is pretty cracked all together

[slim dove]

zzz

i get so tilted everytime i see someone else with totem

[strong forum]

[slim dove]

blazing essence and turtle shell

[craggy pilot]

So many fun trinkets

[slim dove]

i could be 400 ilvl rn if my trinkets werent ass

[craggy pilot]

And all from raid 🙃

[severe steeple]

i don't even know what trinkets are good for prot from dungeons

beside whelp and whetstone

[craggy pilot]

Whelp not so much

[craggy pilot]

Both nokhud trinkets, blazebinder, whetstone, big toe, halls trinkets

[severe steeple]

i have done around 15 SBG this week and haven't seen a single big toe

and we only have 5 items from this dung

arms spec loot ofc

[slim dove]

nokud hooves sims high

[tired pivot]

how do you guys tank 2nd boss of jade serpent dungeon

[solemn aspen]

spellblock i guess ?

[tired pivot]

is it just that

[solemn aspen]

rotate for every serpent

[tired pivot]

I spellblock on high stacks

but I feel like I still take too much damage

[slim dove]

def stance

[tired pivot]

also, does it matter if I am in range of the non-target dude

[slim dove]

but people cleaving will fuck you hard

i believe you want to sit inbetween them

[solemn aspen]

oh 2nd

agony guys ?

[tired pivot]

yes

[tired pivot]

I have been sitting in between to the front

at a sort of angle

where they should still both be in front of me

tho I guess that since they don't melee

I can just stand anywhere in range where I don't cleave

[limpid ruin]

Jade serpent temple guide#

[tulip harness]

How can I see the safezones on hymdall?

[slim dove]

dragons spawn before they breath

[tulip harness]

so I have to look up to the right/left and find the drakes?

[slim dove]

yup

[sturdy sable]

Iirc they start on the left side facing hymdal but i could just have been lucky many times in a row

And alternate after that

[tulip harness]

I see, thanks guys

[sturdy sable]

They always come after the horn blast

[tulip harness]

yeah that I figured, but thanks tho

[chilly brook]

Merry Christmas cuties!

[vocal nimbus]

in algethar academy do you move the boss out of the add aoe heal?

[chilly brook]

Uhhh

The tree boss?

There’s a heal?

[vocal nimbus]

eh, ye

[oak echo]

pretty sure you don't have to

[vocal nimbus]

after killing the small tree

[chilly brook]

Huh

[oak echo]

yes the big tree add that heals leaves a circle you have to get in

to clear your bleeds and heal you

[vocal nimbus]

just read journal

and it says heals allies and players

so i got confused

[chilly brook]

I mean I just always cleansed myself because monk

Smooth brain tank player here

[lyric geode]

Soloed Melandrus 14s because people are blind on piercing gale

[oak echo]

oh didn't notice that, good call and now i'm not sure lol

[lyric geode]

0 dmg taken from piercing gale

[oak echo]

i've never made an attempt to move him out but maybe i'll have to pay attention to that now and see if it does anything

[slim dove]

alot of people play with lower particle density, anything below High makes that boss an absolute nightmare

especially combined with tree leaf miniboss.

my buddy plays on an ancient pc and has his shit set to low, works fine for raid, all dragonflight dungeons. First COS we did he kept dying to what he claime was nothing until I asked him about his particle density setting.

[lyric geode]

Well given it is a Legion dungeon

[cobalt prawn]

Hey guys, what embellishment should I craft next (got lariat)? 1h weap with fang adornments or the armor spickes one?

[slim dove]

legit on low, its invisible.

[lyric geode]

People should be mindful

[lyric geode]

BUT that is a good counterarguement

People with potato pcs are screwed

[slim dove]

it being a legion dungeon isn't an excuse for blizzard to be lazy

its just a bad dungeon all around imo

[lyric geode]

I mean the dungeon is fine

And quite enjoyable too with these minigames you have to put

[slim dove]

rng profession buffs are not "fine" lul

[lyric geode]

I mean, RNG can be good

Like critical strike chance is rng

[deft kiln]

I mean you basically always want an alchemist to kill first boss at 25%

[slim dove]

?

crit strike is a persistent rng mech that has been around in wow for 18 years.

[lyric geode]

Not necessairily. A rogue would do just fine

[slim dove]

a 10% flat crit or haste buff that "might" show up or not is bad design

[deft kiln]

Ah yeah or rogue, mb.

[lyric geode]

Also, it isnt about prof. It is about the composition as well

[slim dove]

or that rogue/alch get a 25% touch of death for first boss.

[lyric geode]

I mean it is quite unique. Dont you think?

[slim dove]

i never said it wasn't unique.

[deft kiln]

Tbh unique =/= good

[slim dove]

i said its a bad dungeon

and its filled with bad design choices

🙂

[lyric geode]

Unique= Not boring= good

[mortal brook]

So says the shadow of Xavius

[slim dove]

lmao

[lyric geode]

Haha

[slim dove]

christ dont remind me of that shit boss

[lyric geode]

Legit one of the most unbearable mechanics.

At 10s people one shot you.

[slim dove]

try pushing 20s first season of legion

[lyric geode]

You just couldnt.

This is why it was 10s the highest gear.

[slim dove]

playing the game of "pls dont target our warrior twice"

oh you could

it was just miserable

[oak echo]

confirmed with a log that it does heal boss lol

[slim dove]

entire key bricked if he targets the same person enough times in a row

[slim dove]

its a pretty substantial heal iirc

[lyric geode]

So, we can all agree CoS>>>> DHT?

[sick sentinel]

sooooo many things that would immediately brick keys in bfa

tons of stupid shit

[slim dove]

nope, id still rather do dht.

(this is probably a personal bias as I've ran COS upwards of 40 times this week)

[sick sentinel]

the start of underrot, you got a mob that dashes random player, then does a cleave that does a huge dot on anyone caught on it, a cone puke, and the death exploding ticks that stick a dot on you

immeidatelly all around you as the key starts

[lyric geode]

Underrot was just a walk for tanks.

[sick sentinel]

i got used to seeing groups end before we even got to bridges

[radiant path]

Anyone have the interrupt tracker with spell reflect?

[lyric geode]

Too bad if you played heal on Underrot though. Kewk

[sick sentinel]

underrot was alot of fun but it was also alot of bullshit

[lyric geode]

/cast Spell Reflection
/yell Spell reflect is active! Dont interrupt

[oak echo]

on a 13 fort it was 450k out of 11 mil health so pretty big but not like insane, and obv would only get worse as you go up and on tyran

[lyric geode]

I dont understand why my macro doesnt work.

[undone raft]

What gems do we put i lariat and is it r2/3 or 1/2 of the socket mat we use on it?

[sick sentinel]

you had a flower cast a stun, that you can interupt and if you don't its like what, a 10 second stun some shit, or its also a disease you can dispell

thats a good gameplay design

[slim dove]

also heals the adds to full is a bigger problem i think

[lyric geode]

I mean, I remember on DHT, you had to pick the neck shield legendary buff in order to sustain the bolt.

And lots, lots of versa

Btw. A cool feature in m+ for tailoring is that, the mobs would drop you satchels of cloths. So running dungeons is somewhat profitable other than money sink.

[chilly brook]

I don’t think CoS is a bad dungeon at all, it’s a pretty unique dungeon where the “worst” part is just knowing that you need to kick certain things and LoS some others

[blazing condor]

did CoS for my first time ever just now

[lyric geode]

Finally, somewhat with a good review about CoS.

[blazing condor]

was fine

[chilly brook]

The only time it was bad was in legion when it had a tight timer and you wasted a good portion of it on the boat ride and it was overtuned

[slim dove]

🤷 its badly designed similar to SMBG and it really shows compared to DF dungeons

but obv its just an opinion 🙂

[chilly brook]

I don’t think it’s badly designed at all

You’re free to approach the dungeon after the first boss anyway you like

It has unique mechanics based on professions

[slim dove]

hey if you feel randomly spawning minibosses and rng profession buffs in a timed dungeon are good design, thats ok

[chilly brook]

It’s not random?

[slim dove]

the location is random.

[lyric geode]

Btw guys

1 question

how does the dreadlord % give?

on CoS?

[slim dove]

6% iirc

[lyric geode]

Thanks

[slim dove]

6.32

according to my mdt

[lyric geode]

I cant see the dreadlord on MDT

[chilly brook]

Pretty sure the mini bosses are not random

[slim dove]

the fel enforcers have a set spawn location?

[chilly brook]

They did in legion

[slim dove]

def dont now

[chilly brook]

Give or take

[slim dove]

bruh

set spawn location is not "give or take"

can you predict their spawn locations or not? cause after the last week of spamming cos to get whetstone, it seems entirely random.

[chilly brook]

Although calling the enforcers mini bosses is weird considering the ones that come after killing them are the mini bosses

[median tulip]

There are 4 places they can spawn and you need to kill 3 IIRC

[slim dove]

yeah fine i missspoke

[chilly brook]

There’s your answer

And iirc the profession things are on a rotation

[oak echo]

Or you get lucky with item spawns and kill 0 or 1 🙃

[slim dove]

yes...the location is random between 4 spawn points.

[median tulip]

They patrol quite a lot as well, so it's not always clear which one the first one is

[chilly brook]

4 spawn points, 3 mobs

So

Pretty set in stone where at least 2 of them will be lol

[median tulip]

Random, but not very random

[slim dove]

you dont get it

and thats fine

some runs youll run back and forth across the bridge because they ping pong spawns

[chilly brook]

It doesn’t exactly change your routing much

You still have packs you absolutely just don’t pull

[severe steeple]

enforcer spawn is random and can spawn at the same place you killed it

[slim dove]

some runs you'll get 3x prof spawns that pull the minibosses and you skip every enforcer

[severe steeple]

so kite the mini bosses a bit

[slim dove]

you kite them to LOS spots anyways

[severe steeple]

cause of fort you cang et fucked int he ass

the mini bosses

[slim dove]

fort + raging watching DPS eat the AOE is hilarious

[severe steeple]

to be safe from enforcer spawn RNG

[median tulip]

Yeah, their LOS burst stings on Fort

[maiden glade]

MERRY CHRISTMAS to all my warrior brothers.

[median tulip]

MERRY RAGEMAS

[sick sentinel]

do we still think haste crit is the way to go?

[zinc crescent]

Hey Merry Christmas everybody, my question is... is there an item which i can craft through order that has lategame value ?

[chilly brook]

All of them have value

[zinc crescent]

Was thinking about the Neck but it seems the one from court of stars is better?

[chilly brook]

Is it?

[zinc crescent]

just looked at the bis list from Wowhead im not sure thats why im asking here

[chilly brook]

You can get the crafted neck with any stats, three sockets and it has a stat proc

[oak echo]

The 3 sockets thing applies to any neck I thought but either way that proc is very good

[chilly brook]

It does

But more importantly 3 sockets + stat proc based on sockets

[oak echo]

Yup

[mighty valley]

The wowhead lists are basically just “items that drop with haste on them,” I wouldn’t worry too much about them

[zinc crescent]

ok ill craft that neck , another question is there another good item to craft ?

[chilly brook]

But tldr on crafted item is that you can craft a lot of different things, the end result won’t be much different

Between .5-1%

[mighty valley]

Craft whichever other item with an embellishment to fill a low ilvl slot tbh, the ones after lariat are pretty similar in power

[oak echo]

Shield is always a good choice especially if you can't get like the one from azure vault to drop. Weapon is popular too

[zinc crescent]

ok was just wonder if there is another weapon/armor piece with a good/usefull prog

[oak echo]

The embellishments (procs/bonus effects) are all fairly minor after neck

[onyx matrix]

If im not getting a 405 wep on vault im crafting one. Any ideas on embellishment on wep?

[wild kayak]

is jade serpent strike reflectable?

[oak echo]

In p1 yes

[oak echo]

Or wait jade is specifically the p2 one isn't it

[wild kayak]

ya

[oak echo]

Then no unfort

[tired pivot]

how do you guys handle the bleed from 2nd boss of ruby life pools

[slim dove]

evoker, dwarf, rotate CDs

[tired pivot]

I can handle 2 of them at 4 stacks with shield wall and dwarf

[slim dove]

she does 0 tank dam outside of searing blows

[tired pivot]

how well are druids/priests taking it

[slim dove]

they have their own externals they can use on us also

ironbark, angel/dome

[chilly brook]

I don’t think your choice of healer will matter as much as you think it will there

Tbh

[tired pivot]

I guess pain suppress should be able to handle a 4stack

[tired pivot]

think so? Priests are not the best tank healers

[chilly brook]

Yes I think so

[tired pivot]

do mind I am talking 17-18