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how do they make it 405 rather than 395
Well u give he the mat with the cradt as well
And u can give then a quality u want back in a personal order
Something ppl can do without a chance but they are happy to keep recrafting for no fee to get the right quality if they needd an insipre proc
Well that will help for sure
tbh alot of this week is rng with how your dps and healers perform. one mistake on alot of bosses rn is a death which usually leads to a wipe
Quality of mats affects the effective skill, which determines ilvl of the result (plus some random roll)
I can mess up 2 orbs on 2nd boss azure and be fine, dps touches one and flops instantly, then healer runs out of juice before boss dies kind of thing.
so i want a 405 axe with fangs and crit/haste, all the mats i have for it are r3
what else do i need?
is it worth upgrade NOK sword when I have haste/vers mace from Voti hc?
kk thx a lot:)
Titan thingy 4, missive of Crit/Haste, skill bonus thingy
spark, infusion
right i have the infusion also
yeah so make sure you know a BS that can max tier weapons
infusions add diff so it wont be t5, but it can get close to it
does that mean it wont be 405?
Recrafting is a thing
usually 405 requires inspiration proc.
and if i live on a lower pop server am i just sol
so look for a BS that is specced weapons
low pop yeah probably
just look in trade
there's bound to be someone
they need to be weapon spec, hammer control maxed, 100 skill
literally no other posts
well that sucks
sargeras US
you're def not gonna get a t5 through public crafts
trade chat is still faction specific, work orders arent.
but if its better than what you have, then its still an upgrade
and you can recraft later
im guessing your horde cuz alliance sarg is poppin
Ye I had to settle on the 399 molten defender for now
make an alliance alt and go to a city
i had to do it as alliance on mal'ganis.
found crafters for my lariat and shield recraft in seconds.
Most servers now have crafting discord where u can find ppl apprently i jist use trade chat
ya
where can i find the stance dance macro
Does anyone have a list comparing the expected gains from two set and four set across all specs?
cuz the guy with the recipe knows everything u need to know to make it, so i always prefer trade chat randoms
or AH

so i got the name of an alliance guy
can i just get back on my main and send the order to him?
and does he need to know?
or will it just pop up for him or something
Is there a way to "hide"aspects of a weakaura without deleting the entire group?
Yes
By changing the wa
I'm using Afenar's warrior UI, but wanted to remove some resource bars while in Prot spec
while keeping them in Fury spec
but i can't find how to edit it in WA
how much you guys tip for crafting
Then you go into the settings of that specific wa, and check when it’s loading. Change the spec to whatever you want
got it , ty
yeah it'll pop up for him. good to let him know its incoming though
how much should i tip?
I can make shields horde US side
is 10k enough commission?
or will he tell me
i literally have no idea
Yes, I get anything from like 1k to 50k
does it affect which ones you do
If they're jerks they'll cancel and send it back and whisper you to tip more
For me gold is gold and I click two buttons to make it
and do i need to specify anything else really besides rank
since i already provide the missive and embellishment
If you put it at 5 and they can't guarantee it they can't pick it up
If its a 1k or below commission i swap frrom my inspiration tool to my resourcefullness tool
Like my 418 shield with everything on it is only 90% towards 5
Least it was earlier, I think continual crafts move up the skill somehow. I wish they would actually come iut and explain crafting a bit more
like i need a phd to understand it all
i currently have a 386 shield of hearth (yeha, i know) and droped a 389 from HoV
Is the 3 ilv the versa proc worth ? not sure
im assuming the shield u folks are talking about is the one that proc vers
No, most people craft the primal molten
Does fractured rubble go on tanks on Terros heroic? Never went on me but healer says it can? I assume it targets dps/healers first if they are alive?
why though?
Because people want other embellishments, if you get the heart you are hard locked to that
Because hearth is stuck with its embellishment and secondary stats forever, primal we can change if meta shifts.
embellishment?
Effects on crafted shields are called embellishments, we are limited to equip 2 at any given moment
i got the lariat with 3 sockets what do i place in them?
fml the 2 pieces i want for mog use sparks...
Lul

I feel your pain, desperately wanted the red primal molten set for tmog
But I'm gonna be rocking tier style way before that's possible
Can we Parry dark claw in temple? 🤔
nah
Damn 😂
but vers isnt gonna safe you from that
its a 400k nuke
even if you have 40% vers
youre still gonna get 1shot
I have 30% vers in pvp 
Doing H Dathea, what's the best way to pick up all the adds on the platform?
D Shout?
Cry as dps open before they're clumped and pray
Oh that's already taken care of
monka fucking x
Dk slappy hands
first boss RLP 15. How tf do I better my damage intake from frigid shard?
spell block? Because shield block doesn't work on it. I've been reflecting it on CD
It's pure magic dmg
So that's a spell Block angle
And you need to rotate shield walls with Spellblock
that's about 28 seconds of protection. Do you recommend staying in dstance perma and cycling demo shout once wall and block is off?
https://i.imgur.com/GWQQ0QZ.png I've never seen this drop from Rares, but Turtle has decent uptime. Worth a try or nah?
@inland mesa so the guy sent my stuff back and he said he could guarantee via mettle but he charges 125k for that
he says what he can do is inspiration proc farming 41% chance per craft r4 min
should i take him up on that or not worth
It's mediocre
Will give it a whirl, thanks!
30% uptime on 6% vers
Depends if you think it would proc before you spend 125k. Which it should. Is he doing free recraft? If not then don't tip 10k to start and send it for less and a little each time until he procs it more then tip later.
See how many recrafts 125k would buy mat wise and then see if you think it can proc before that
is it full mats for each recraft?
do you know what the new stat per % is at level 70 for crit/haste/mastery/vers? can't find a tool to help me out
how much is big, could i just tip him the 10k as incentive
That's my most common, I get everywhere from 1k to 50k, and 1 100k as I proc'd a infurious helm 5 with like 11% chance lol
@somber sky
how do i tip, just in the order? or trdae
u go immovable object spellblock
thank you. You're a legend!!!!
if I may ask, is there a public domain where I can get these numbers without having to bookmark this image?
thank you for sharing these numbers then. I rly appreciate it
Go to wowwiki and update their stats page for em
How are you guys dealing with Chill storm? Any other key is mostly chill/ok but that boss, that boss is scary, specially when the healer got it on pull
not really much we can do.
Which one is chill storm
its a brutal healer check and dps need to be ontop of slamming healthstones/pots and using defensives.
the AOE on 1st boss RLP
But are your healers using raid talents? What kind of healers seems to work better there? I run with priest
Tank can’t do everything
Raid cd is about the best we can do
Aside from the obvious, when it comes down to planning
What are you guys doing with your healers? Planning CDs wise
It ain’t me that’s dying there
And we only have shout to support
Rest is on dps and the heal
Dps personals will go a long way is helping
Like 175k heal right
Healer mechanic
So Dathea trinket is top notch eh?
Man this game is becoming super domotivating to play as a m+ only player with this loot system
guys am i tripping, immovable object seems trash
70+ keys done and only 397 ilvl and 0 tier
its such a huge dps loss for a 4 sec of SW
While raiders are 405+ with 4p
but i see so many warriors using it
Well tier doesn’t drop in m+, so you might be grinding the wrong thing
(Except vault)
Raid is boring, but that's where blizzard wants it player base to spend it's time
Tier sets are ruining it for m+ only players atm its super unfair
New creation catalyst system should be there on wednesday tbh
Yes
buddy im 8/8 normal twice and 6/8 heroic
ive got 1 piece of tier
but yeah raid tanking this tier is a snoozefest.
I've had to take a 3ilvl downgrade on gloves and 13ilvl downgrade on legs for a 500dps increase
Same thing happens all the time, SL 1 trinket we're good, SL raid sockets were good, and then we also had to wait for tier
Also why do people think tier sets are a good system? Its a super outdated 17 year old system pff
its a fun power spike
The acquisition is not
^^^^
Oh ye and ofc the raid trinkets are once again a lot better than m+ trinkets
Blizz really wants everyone to do their dumb raid these days
At least you are not playing BM 
I mained brewmaster for 4 years so yes im also salty about brewmaster
This raid is hilariously easy
Tell that to the pugs I keep joining 
Yes but not for the average WoW idiot
I haven't raided since BFA, I'd rather deplete a key 10 times
As tank*
i thought this
I trained up my cotank and i didnt bother explaining mechanics
Telling your cotank what to do is just "okay taunt here"
Raid is easy but the community makes it challenging
P
Yes
Raid is as ez as the other 19 people
Pmuch
Dunno heroic raz and mythic terros didn't feel super free this week
And alt friendly expansion btw but if you want same gear as on ur main you gotta do +20s on ur alt 🤡
Yeah my alt is 30 ilvls behind
Man i dont even want to do aiding the accord on my alt already lol
bruh imagine wiping on terros
ever

He is a hard dps check atm
I dont know wtf terros is
2nd or 3rd boss. just a dps check
I dont do these retard blizz raids anymore
Most guilds kill him in eneage
Is mage tower available again?
He was a hard live check for us, we lived to enrage with him at like 35 pretty often but half the raid is dead at like annihilation 2
But we do no splits and 8 hours a week, only had like an hour on him
On mythic
i guess im speaking of heroic so nevermind
hate scheduling a video game as part of my life so mythic is out
Hear me out, Blizz added a soft battlepass into the game, before you could buy let's say a token (optional) and buy basically everything for a season, right now you either wait for prices to drop or buy 3-5 tokens of you want to be current, or sell carries.
Heroic raid is easier than the 18s to get similar ilvl for sure, least this week on certain keys
It's easier to be carried into heroic than in m+
Yeah endboss don't count
They do
Yeah...healers do no homework and then are like oh this boss killed us must be gear issue
When we're 398 >.>
They are usually worse than the rest
Most people I know have described this raid as "intuitive"
Pretty sure that's enough for 402 content
Its just easier to get carried in raids than M+ in general though. It always has been
They did say they wanted to make raiding easier
Well it relies less on dbm
I’m getting pugs that can’t grasp the jumping lightning mechanic on HC grimtotem, it hurts me
A lot of shit is show
idk fam i just get punched in the face and move kurog around every so often
Heigan nowadays would've makers on the ground for the dance
Its disengenious to say its overall easy though, maybe to the exact people who would get involved in class discords - typically more serious players. The bottom like 75% of players will struggle in the fights
Yeah I’m just having fun swapping with the OT, gl raid
Just giving some food for thought, people who converse in class discords are like far different player base than the average WoW player
pretty much, most pugs is just me and a buddy that co-tank the entire thing and shoot the shit in discord the whole time
Obsiously
Yeah I wish I had that, I’m just jumping in random pugs requiring discord on HC fights 
I mean people get here to be better. That slim amount of curiosity is a big step already, they are proven to be on open to change
yep exactly
Most people arent ever gonna take that step and im not saying thats good or bad people just play the game for diff reasons
i've been running baby keys to see what shits about
On the other hand there are peeps coming for the "bis stat/gear/craft" that leave when the answer is more than a sentence
Starting kiting the lashers in higher keys for academy, has felt a lot better.
i look at the MDT and sign up for an under 7 key, run it, try to find out what i can pull and not, and where i can pull to
Well, there are a lot of fotm players now here, SL was like a wasteland
Not getting giga blasted with 30+ stacks of poison
make notes of what does fear disoerients etc, i'm learnding is what im saying
Dude, I was a night fae fury warrior since day 1. There were like 3 of us at the start
THUNDERCLAP
Never went NF, just because my mage was already NF so I found it boring having to repeat the same story, but the mog is nice
im not saying remove greivous but what i am saying is that should probably be tuned,, or healers and dps should get self survivablitly in their talnts
Warriors are born ready for grievous
buff healer survivablity in general. everyone i see goes poof all the time for zero reason
We got a full toolkit
yo fellow warriors what item should i craft after neck for tanking 418?
Been having more trouble with my dps rolling bursting as soon it hits 0 seconds.
I mean grevious was nerfed in shadowlands so
Birds before Crawth always gets 7 burst stacks no matter what.
old bursting in bfa.......
basically had to stop dps at 4 stacks and note what would and not extend bursting, cuz it added another stack,
best counter i had for 4-5 stacks which was a wipe with no full partying healing was wait till 3rd of 4 ticks and then do rally, better chance they survived
this week is a massive wakeup and skillcheck to both healers and dps.
those in some sense were dark days
stand in any mechs past a +12? instant death 9/10
tanks as well, i got smacked by odyn
My dps still sleeping then
healer doesn't know boss fights and setup to top asap? wipe
i stood in odyn circle went big boom
tank? chillin on most fights lmao
wont do that again
3rd boss jade dicked me good once then i remembered to press a few buttons this week.
didn't try to run out at all, didn't know it happend,
its pretty tilting ngl, ive bricked a ton of keys this week to dps just standing in mechanics
told group i got killed by symbols on the ground and they said no you didnt u got hit by the circle
Bricked multiple vault keys to dps getting orbed, the run back from that is just insta depleted key
yup, 2nd boss vault ive bricked 5 now
hov tyranical +15 +20 will be quite interesting i will say
is the weapon with extra attack dmg good ? i have it on 398. and a 402 haste vers weapon. but auto attack isnt that high in my dmg.. so i dont know if its worth
I’ve had some trouble with the amount of orbs on last boss of vaults, anyone got tips on that?
yes. stop moving as much as possible and use ur jump to get away
dont move to clear stacks, healer needs to cleanse whoever balls are following
u can craft a weapon with a similiar affix as well, counts as embellishment im pretty sure, dunno how good that effect compares to the nokhud weapon
Ahh, yeah my healer ain’t dispelling me. Pretty much try to standstill near wall that entire fight
That drag along wall when balls get crazy
to be faiir, in many cases, a dispel takes a target, and then a button press possibly a gcd, or worst case a hard cast, just to remove maybe 1 or 2 effects
so i can easily see beginner healers not doing this
or balls touch tank and you wipe
What influences where the balls spawn? Player position?
those balls are annoying as shit
Don’t know about balls spawn but they seem to track highest threat on boss.
Watching like 6-8 orbs just chasing me down by 60% health on boss
yup they follow healing aggro
and from my own exp they stop if i stop spamming IP for a couple of seconds
So don’t press ip, got it
they are super annoying anyways and im buying like 20 potions of "can't be slowed for 10 seconds:" whatever they are
you guys should subscribe to quazii
you can move without getting slowed during thundering but in real execution your mileage may vary
I never feel like I’m taking much damage that fight so maybe I’m overreacting with IP, being able to reflect every dragon claw makes the fight easy.
its gonna depend on your healer. I find it easier to just kite the balls
let healer have free reign not to panic about them
yeah thats what i mean, i just want to run things a few times, find out how it works, refine routes
Merry Christmas guys o/
Best way to use blazebringers hoof?
Also, you can play unstoppable object to get another cleanse
The talent seems pretty nice for some dungeons so far
@inland mesa in response to me asking if he did recrafts he said "1s recrafts your mats if first craft doesnt proc it"
my keystone this week has just flopped between CoS and SBG
does that mean something im not aware of
I would assume first recraft is free?
That's free recraft, he's saying put in for 1 silver or 1s
You just keep buying mays until it procs basically
Uhmm if you want for your first tip
and then do i set a quality for it still
4 if you want to make sure he does at least that. If you set 5 and he can't guarantee he can't accept
also do i need to remind him to make it agi
since its for an agi class
or is that not a thing
Agi for what? I thought you were making a shield
no a 1h
Gif that luck pls
When gearing should I go for dps or tankiness? I have a pair of 272 with avoidance and a pair of 276 with more strength
Uhh, I'm an armorsmith I'd have to look at what you were making. If it lists agi or str then it doesn't matter. If it's just str he can't correct it
ilevel
But isnt avoidance huge ?
not really for tanks
avoidance increases dmg reduction against aoe effects
which arent designed to be deadly to tanks but rather to healer and dps
There should be an asterisk on that, there's plenty of times where tank mechanics get flagged as reduced by avoidance
I remember tanking in legion with 20% avoidance and some mechanics just tickling in raid.
hello there fellow brm dropout

my bdk friend is discouraged after this week
We’re I can finde a good talent build for M+ ? Had any one a Idee ?
I want make more tank dmg, I make overall 30k dps with 391 GS
🥲
pins but here
you can swap out a few things if you want to, like, something for thunder lords or into fray, spell block, or intervene
We have pins ? 😅
i dont get wahts the problem here. isnt 30k enough? get better gear, or pull bigger if u want even more dps. but 30k "overall" is actually fine
I think 30k is not really good 😅 for overall, I want 40k overall and I think with 391 GS and good trinket I possible for 40k
Bigger pulls is easy to say 😅
My lowest overall in keys is 40k
At this point
Now that I have better weapon I'll prolly average like 45-50k
Which I do in most keys already
But like, guaranteed 45k everywhere
can show me logs of ur 50k dps ?
i put some cheap enchants on gear today better than normal but
so, im about to get tons of gear so i'll have to buy that crap again
15 AA 😄
no thx
There are more in this
Gross 1 tank keys
ele died to gust :
says 30k or am i blind?
Hover over active
Gotta press revenge more
It's 30k with running included
i've onlyt started turning on dps meters again
And afking
You can't just use active that's cheating
Gotta use overall
Counting downtime to your overall lol, details doesn't do that either
My active could be a gazillion if I wait for my coolies all the time
But you won't time the key
How is this cheating, explain
99%of people only go by details dmg meter
Active dps on logs = details overall dps
Teach me sempai 😍
I'll let you in on a huge secret not alot of people know about
so long as you’re comparing the same log types how does it matter
Use cooldowns on cooldown
the huge spell reflect on not gud is the boss of lightning itself or the trash around him, assuming boss
If you compare log overall to log overall its fine
assuming, the lightning crash (i know thats not what it is ) is on 25 second cd
But since 99% of people don't, I specifically mention active dps
Cuz that's the same as details
DO NOT hit avatar if combat is about to ends
But I was told to use it on cd
Macroed shield slam to ip
If its 10sec that's still fine
well, u have have huge regerts later on
Best lazy macro
Cuz you got full value out of the CD
cuz like, saving SW or ava or some shit, can make or break a pack some time
Along as that's not the only time your using shield slam
BTW I've tested SB + SS macro and I've not even noticed that I'm using it
Anyone have a recommended WA? Using Luxthos ATM but only prefer that one when its not my main
Using avatar on the hov walkway because I have no brain and nom told me to

so everyone macro sb to ss, check
I've not run into issues with it yet
Played like half of hc and normal raid and a few keys I think
Didn't even know I ran the macro
So I think it doesn't do anything
Trying to macro gcd to ogcd is jank
IP + SS you notice, but sb + SS kinda don't
Not in this specific case
Cuz you wanna snipe SS resets, so it makes sense
No I mean sometimes it don't work
It just uses the on ability
Yeah sometimes I hear some unexpected resets snipee by ip
One
And I feel good
what's that macro look like?
I start to feel retarded on Teros, did they do something that he just slams the person closest to him, rather than tank with full agro?
though I see the Wowhead M+ build now includes barbaric training, which I thought I had seen people saying was a bad talent to take
Do you mean the tank line or something else
that must be wrong
tank line and melee hits
both, I needed to move down due to puddle falling, and our melee got smacked and other one got beam
Puddle should be in melee range
IIRC it's less damage per rage so it shouldn't be a priority talent
I'll let a more competent warrior explain and/or rectify
going by details, raid frames and log I was top aggro, and had it on me, he just snapped to someone closer than me
Maybe you were out of range when boss decided to use ability
yea that's what I thought
shrug
Yeah I expect you've left melee range I've never done it so I can't be 100 percent sure
Thats the only reason I can think
no pain and gain or honed reflexes? i dunno...
Honed should be less effective than it appears
what's the bis embalishment for shield crafting
Pain and gain is a talent I like
I also like to drop thunderlord for battering ram
pain and gain is insane
Armor spikes
tbh I feel like it's still a melee range, but I will need to be closer it looks like it
If you link the log I can look
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kz8BF24ch6YjtRGp#fight=11 ~3:50 in fight is when I taunted, spikes were bad, puddles were bad and I had to move around
Not a drop out, just needed a rally in raid
Monk still chugaluggin in alt raid
is that real to use BT in m+? i find it hard to believe
All talents are possible to use, just less effective.
oo wrong channle sorry
what's better in terms of dps: sword embellishment or belt
Cuties gets slapped at 4:10 when you move away from the boss so im guessing you were out of range
They were closer than you
i made the BT build just in case and i think its questionable so thats its name for the loadotu
How is all your raid so high ilvl or are the logs busted
I mean if you are getting gear drops, 390 isnt all that high
Looks normal to me
Maybe ive just been unlucky then
+10-13 keys drop 392
ring/neck/cape at 398 from dragons. w.e you got crafted at upper 390's. And the rest fill in from drops ;D
2x 405 from infusions spamming 11s and/or clearing raz on normal.
Well, ring from cobalt
Yeah but their gear seems to be mostly from raids
Lots of drops from normal and heroic
pugs

Proud of you. Now carry me 
I think I will just make weapon and get 418
No point in wasting time on other things. e_e
Shield? 
Already 418
congrats!
Thank you q_q
I hope so
Apparently the food embelishment doesnt count towards your embelishment count
gunna need to check it though when is our next spark
How much did u pay to get 100% 418 weap?
I have 418 shield. I only paid 25k
But if you consider the mats I farmed
Primal Molten Alloy 3* is expensive on mys erver right now.
So this was probably more.
I just farm them
yep
it does not count
I know what im getting next then
Oh this is nice to know
Panda master race
Yeah thanks for share
thats really nice to know thank you 🙂
does it stack with panda though?
how good are prot warrior in raid or m+ ?
it's fine, for me it lacks a bit of ST, but overall is "steady"
Thin they gotta buff prot warr a bit. I died once. Blizz plz 
Shield slam
ABC - Always Be Casting shield slam
Blizzard should pay for your therapy that sounds awful
Rallying cry
Intervene
dps, i can u excuse dying, low hp, soft armor, little self healing or protection of any kind really
healer i feel like is also needs alot of protect my self spells
"Allied Wrists of Companionship" is the best embellishment after lariat typically right? See it worded in the pin as super solid but was just glancing at raider.io/logs and see it being used a bunch
does it matter who u start off with in tjsp? strife or peril?
Do you guys just use default raidbots sim for prot?
Idts p sure you just switch targets at like 5 stacks
Wish they’d changed that boss a lil more
Feeling of Superiority 100 yd range Instant
Strife's presence gives you a Feeling of Superiority that increases your damage and healing done by 25% but inflicts 308 Shadow damage every 2 sec while the feeling persists. The damage inflicted is increased by 10% for each second you have a Feeling of Superiority.
seems helpful for that boss being second boss no lust, it can also be super mario 3 angry suns is only way i can describe it,
any wqs or world bosses give any shields?
wqs are random and no world bosses drop shield
lame
try lfr first boss it drops one
eranog
he starts stacking a dot on tank so when u start taking dmg other tank taunts off u
yeah
first boss things u know
Merry Christmas to all my fellow prot friends!
it seems like only strife can cast feeling of superiority so maybe leave it alone first or try have it die first then u can tell us if it does or not
maru is a do nothing without his thug water lackeys
😏
Guys tree boss slapped my ass around in 16 for 10 pulls, didnt tech bitter imunity was that it ?
like im not afraid of running tjs, cuz iwas already there so that shit is easy to me
Hey currently levelling a pwar, was curious to know when do I use defensive stance? I assume I’d use it once my health drops a certain % but I don’t know
on tyrannical this week 16+ in temple , im dying on 2nd boss . the twins. how i can avoid that ? im stacking really high sometimes and it just melts me . maaybe i do something wrong. whats the mechanic there 😮
You use it proactively not reactively. And it's more like you use battle stance until you either hit a key level where you feel defensive is needed or if you want some DR for a specific mechanic.
There's no tank mechanic. Maybe your group is cleaving the bosses?
Makes sense. So last week for example, big fort/raging pulls you’ll pretty much stay in d stance (in higher keys)
Also when it comes to gearing I assume it’s ilvl>certain stats or is it better to sim all
Other than rings/trinks ofc
You just start learning the pulls and bosses and which specific casts and abilities require mitigation to survive
e.g. most of jade serpent is fine on the tank until the pulls with minions of doubt and the 3rd boss
hmmm, dont know. on +17 timed today i died in this boss fight but got insta ressed and healdruid pumped 80k hps. but we switched on 6 and no one was cleaving. it looked pretty clean
i had a random guy once in a pug group told me , that i have to stay between both
but that was last week
so i dont know
80k hps for a boss fight with a tank dying looks pretty weird
Yeah idk. Without being there it's hard to know. But that is an incredibly healing intensive fight
Like the entire fight for non-healers is literally just swap bosses
any tips for the tree in academy?
pray your dps aren't remedial.
Does cleaning the boss stack his effect? I thought it was just direct damage?
If it's intentional cleave, it will stack his effect
Even some non-intentional cleave can stack it, e.g. frozen orb
intentional cleave :thonk:
Meaning you pressed a button that hits multiple targets
vs. e.g. a demo lock's imps hitting it
This blue trinket of item level 50 goes in the "Trinket" slot. It is looted from Steeljaw Grizzly. In the Trinkets category. Added in World of Warcraft: Legion.
So t clap does?
I would assume tclap does but I don't know for sure.
It's not very consistent unfortunately
good stat stick.
is this worth using in M+ just for the very frequent speed boosts?
The speed boost should not be considered; it's a very small boost
It's a shadow of its former self 😢
ahh ok for now just decent stats and minor speed bump
Mine is a 405 and it's like 2.82% speed or something when it procs
dang the speed number makes it look more powerful than that lol
used to be 30% movespeed back in Legion 😦
Oh I'm wrong, it's about 15%
Someone lied to me about the conversion
But still, the speed isn't something I'd consider when deciding to use it or not
It doesn't lose budget for the speed anyway
ahh that's not too bad then right? i have bonemaw'
toe at same ilvl wwhich is on-use crit, so the hunger pack might be better?
its more overall crit averaged over the dungeon and the speed is just a little icing on top
mm the on-use has benefit just stacking it with other CDs
but the set-and-forget of hunger is fine too
cool seems close enough i'll just run a few with each on and see how they pan out
I don't know how often toe would line up; iirc it's a 2 min CD?
We want to go with decorative flame if we can get it right?
I still haven’t gotten it to drop
Decorative flame is more for defensive vs pure damage
yea bonemaw toe is 2min, i'm not attentive enough to track optimal line-ups. I'm also using AA puzzle ring so trying to track both of those to use in the best way is prolly beyond my novice prot abilities lol
That's because it's utter garbage
when mitigating a hit, is spell block or shield wall better to use first for cooldown purposes. or does it not rly matter
Decorative flame seems to be the top used trinket according to subcreation
Assuming you're taking purely blockable spell damage, spell block would be more optimal.
Assuming you have a decent shield ofc
ok can u explain the reasoning to me
yes i understand that but for cooldown purposes it doesnt matter right
Yes
I mean, if you feel the need to use a cooldown for something, then it makes sense to use the stronger CD
also iirc spell block ahs a shorter CD than wall
yeah 2min so every second avatar really
ok i see i just thought there might be value to using shield wall first to start farmimg it back with shield slams
No it's probably fine. It's just that decoration of flame is not a DPS trinket
tell that to blizzard letting dps roll on it
Don't need to farm CD back on it if you don't need to press it in the first place. And if you know you're taking just spell damage right now, it makes sense to save shield wall for when you'd have a mix or just physical damage.
that's a yikes
they def didnt sim that
2 heroic and 1 normal now
but yeah it is weird that they let dps roll on it
maybe for offspec reasons
raid has been cursed for me
nah it is on dps loot table which means they can need it for main spec
wowhead says for 398 ilvl it's a 36k heal split between allies. That sounds terrible if the numbers are right
if anyone is close to us it'd be like a few percent heal. Must be wrong
It tries to be a hybrid trinket and manages to do it. And by that I mean it's terrible for both.
lol yea unless it's a big ilvl upgrade, doesn't seem good for any class/spec
decoration, yes
Don’t you get prio need if your loot spec is prot?
nope
Not with the main-spec off-spec needs?
No, because the trinket is on DPS loot tables
So you’ll need to be in prot loot spec to get prio need
Which means your DPS are fucking you over @slim dove 😂
its pugs lmao
They're rolling prot loot spec on that boss
Oh
Yeah they're definitely rolling prot loot spec to be able to roll on it
That's fucked
i 100% would gquit if a dps rolled on decoration over me
Why would dps even want it
Technically that trinket is better on dps than tank
Yeah there are better DPS trinkets for sure
good to know i got trolled by a fury war that did 25k overall on heroic eranog though
Cuz it's more useful for its dmg than its absorb
But the absorb is huge for a dps player
I guess for aoe but there are far better aoe dmg trinkets going
Are there?
Sure
Name one that isn't boon
Cos trink is big but you do lose main stat
Maelstrom
Whetstone isn't even an aoe trinket
Whetstone does good dmg, sure, but the lack of mainstat hurts its overall dmg
Why do you say it's not an aoe trinket though
Cuz it doesn't scale beyond 5 targets, it does 260k on 1 target and 360k on 5
Boon is 100% uncapped
That isn’t an aoe trinket?
boon is cracked lmao
No matted how many targets
even the lfr boon is op af
As I just explained, whetstone splits dmg
The tooltip is just very outdated
No, but I wouldn't call it an aoe trinket
It's better on ST than it is on aoe
Whereas flame is better on aoe than on ST
Sorry on phone so I probably sent that whilst you were explaining my bad.
Boon is better on aoe than it is on ST
Therefor boon is an aoe trinket, whetstone more of an St trinket
That's my thought process
Flame does fuckall dmg in ST, but does good dmg in aoe
Decoration is split too though
Decoration is also bugged
How do they compare in sims do you know?
Flame does like 50k on 1 target, but 150k on 5 targets
So it's barely split, idk exactly how it works
Yeah sorry in aoe scenarios
Idk how flame should properly behave, but it does currently do more dmg than intended
Aren't almost all trinkets BFA split now? Where it splits but it gains damage per target
Nye
In df we got alot more uncapped fun stuff
Rumbling Ruby, entirely uncapped
Boon, entirely uncapped
All-totem, entirely uncapped
I got as much as 700k out of 1 proc from all-totem
(that trinket only has 30sec CD)
HC doesn’t change the amount dmg the block does right? Just the Mainstat?
?
What specifically do you mean
If you mean the effectiveness of block, then yes, raid difficulty influences how much dmg you block
The counterattack it does, the damage from it is the same for all versions?
Sorry I phrased that terribly
what the heck is HC 😂
Heroic
Item level of the all-totem trinket influences how much dmg the proc of it does
A 408 all-totem will do alot more dmg than a 382 all-totem
Ahh alright if only I could find a pug that could down girmtotem zzz
And it then also depends on which proc you get
Earth stance proc does the least raw dmg
Fire does the most raw dmg
But fire doesn't give you a 10second buff
Air gives you 12% haste
Earth gives you 4.4k armor, which will translate to like 4% str gain
Frost gives you 16k hps heal
Fire does double dmg
That seems pretty damn good
It is
All totem bis?
Yes
In m+ atleast
In raid not so much, because you don't parry often enough cuz you obv don't tank as many mobs
Yea that’s true
It's good on council however
It def seemed like a m plus trinket
I feel like that and flame are a good m plus combo
I'd prefer boon over flame
I’ve been rocking the incarnate/flame combo
Wanted that damn charged scale from WB but he’s a dick
Flame does negligible amounts of mitigation and loses value when you don't use it on CD for dmg, at which point boon just wins
This epic trinket of item level 395 goes in the "Trinket" slot. It is looted from Kurog Grimtotem. In the Trinkets category. Added in World of Warcraft: Dragonflight.
For some reason I thought Dinars were going to follow us into DF. No idea why I thought that but they helped in situations like that which is good
Our other tank already has the All Totem , looking forward to trying it this week in M+ , for the heroic version.
any tips for single mob fights? It is so painfully slow.
during the leveling process
Why does the wowhead prot guide have one of the two trinkets for the bis dungeon gear equipped when it then goes on to rate several dungeon trinkets above it?
Specifically talking about Ruby Whelp Shell
pull more
probably old data, ruby whelp is very meh.
fair enough, was just a little confused haha
windscar is BIS iirc and the nokhud trinket is also very good
Though tbh windscar is so good i wouldn't be surprised if it sees a nerf soon.
that is a pretty absurd amount of damage by the looks of it
i'm currently using a melandrus ring + cobalt ring. is the proc on cobalt still worth over like the nokhud or azure vault rings if i can get them at max valor upgrade?
There are no limits to my power.
hey, any tips for tanking the last boss in AV? i keep dying to orbs and bricking my key
his slam takes like 40% of my HP
Move as little as possible, move during thundering debuff
You can Spell reflect dragon claw
Should be able to reflect every claw cast
But I think you gotta hit SR as soon as you see cast for dragon claw
ohhhh shittt i didnt know that!
that tip should be enough to do it
if i can negate all claw damage then i dont see why i wont always be at 100%
@slim dove those are the trinkets I’m using rn. I haven’t gotten any raid ones
which? windscar and trampling hooves?
any suggestion t o fill in this last blue piece of gear (finger slot)? https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/proudmoore/gsc The other ring i have is from titan matrix 4 so im debating using a soul of ingeunity on it what do u guys think im brand new too thge game this expasion have 60k gold. On my server the neck piece elemental lariat is 50k+ Auction house is unreasonable any upgrade is 1m-2m gold
itd bump my gs up a lot so im also just thinking going to grind storms.
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Much appreciation and gratitude to the theory crafters and stormforged as well for doing the heavy lifting and ensuring people like me get the proper guidances. 🥰
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Farm cobalt reputation with a group, I carried two group of alts from like 200 reputation to high reputation, with a decent group should take maybe two hours
Get ring, ez clap
took me about 3.5 hours tonight to go from fresh to high, but the group kinda sucked at the start and definitely got better once people started leaving and we actually stayed together
why so many people taking sidearm?
thought it was shitty kek
I mean it feels to me like it barely does any damage
mhmm
maybe just me but I prefer the extra movement speed from the leap talent
gotta go fast
I usually take both
How do I learn to recraft? It’s not an option for me and I can’t seem to figure out where to learn it
thakn you
Don't forget at some point there is a "talent" option from the dude next to the cobalt assembly quartermaster that increases your rep gains by a ton.
Like recraft your own gear you mean?
You can always put an order is on the top left
Yeah, I just don’t see a recraft option in my BS recipes
And it's not under your profession tab?
No, I’ll need to triple check but I can see all my other smelting, armour and weapons but recraft isn’t there. Do you need to learn or quest for it?
You have to be on a crafting station
Thanks, I’ll have another look at a crafting station
It's alright, if you have the surplus go for it, wouldn't go past 405
I mean the embellishments are pretty minimal factors in dps, but if I remember that one is pretty decent
is it better than getting the weapon?
Its 1% dps depending on your currrnt wep a 418 would be a high increase
I see.. So if you had to choose only one from between the two, would you just get the shield?
my wep and shield are both at 402, pretty meh stats
how did that hunter parse an 89 with 14k
oh 0 in key %
that makes more sense
but still ive seen ppl do way more in lower keys so still doesnt make sure
It’s a metric of all toons doing any keys iirc
So if your 350 alt does one it counts
Also 50% active so he did 30k for details
Looks like many people were dead large parts of boss fights or afk
Why you always do temple with a lock or a priest

Lock can go destro and dispel magic, making the last boss irrelevant
we ended up just double healing and spending a day killing boss np
determined for that +15 vault 
Especially in pugs I don’t even bother signing up for temple keys without a lock or priest

guys when should we change cobalt dps ring? like i have 411 ring should i change it
U dont
ilvl king with trinkets too? I have a 402 puzzle box and 379 blaze hoof
so auto attack ring/ cobalt ring all the way?
I mean, you can always sim how much dps the ring does
and see if you get more swapping
cobalt ring is insane 3rd/4th place on „healing“ during keys
It’s going to be tough replacing for sure.
what is macro for ravager to be casted on top of targeted enemy instead of @cursor?
U play DPS or tank cobalt ring?
You can't make a macro for that @static aspen
Only @ cursor or @ player (which drops it centered on you)
tank on my end
Dps ring here
I have both have never equipped that tank ring tho
pew pew
How long does cobalt grind take now?
1:30 hours tops
Took me like 2 hours of semi-afk playing with half-assed grouping
They nerfed
oh shit
1:30 was on first week
Cobalt ring farm
Yeah looking it up now, just kill shit I guess lol
Yeah
Man I've done 14 azue vaults this week, ready to puke.. still no shield
Take a while now
Like how long? I don't think I could handle more then a couple hours lol
I heard it’s around 5-6
any tips for Tree boss on AA?
so basically my group is stupid and is dying because not inside circle
Most wipes on this boss is dps fault
Yes always blame others
i mean im not dying
Exactly
Also you need sync stuns on adds
There is a potion that you can rotate the usage to kill small adds. 2 people pot first set, 2 the next
Not at the pc so don’t know what they are called
Dps are so lazy they just want follow the tank
It will take a while for people learn all the bosses
Unless you have a fixed group
I will always blame others when I can visibly see it's their fault
such as when they jump off a platform and die, followed by "omg tank why you tank wrong"
oi
Is whispering incarnate trinket bis for prot warrior atm?
Other than decoration of flame
Checking now and it's not there, not in learned or unlearned recipes...
Icon is okay for a stat stick yeah. Having it on at least 1 tank is good for everyone
Decoration of flame is not bis
For m+ would you use that?
If the group had it
I would only use icon if the group has it
Even then probs not would rather run greiftorch and whetstone
I see. If they didn't and you could choose any trinket combo, what would you use for high keys?
Yep
Like 18-20 range at the moment
hey, how are you guys mitigating the 1st boss of azure vault on high keys?
Spell reflect
does it reduce the ticking damage by reducing initial hit?
It deflects it completely
wait what
Yeah you don't get the dot or damage
what the fuck, thanks for the info
You can also reflect dragon strike. Last boss
just use it 1-2 seconds before it casts and you'll have it upo for every one
deflect*
been using it on last boss
and you can also reflect the arcane bomb thing from last boss of academy
yeah did it just 30 min ago. the circle will be around the boss tho so tell group not to panic
fair
are there any other reflects we have?
I only know of nokhund air elemental boss
There is a spreadsheet for that in the pins
Do you need to learn how to recraft? It's not an in my prefessions tab
crafters can recraft the things they can make
if you can't craft something yourself, do a work order for it
But I don't see recraft as a receipe, am I suppose to?
as a general thought at the end of a single target fight should u have mor ethunder clap casts or revenge casts?
In the top left corner it should say start a recrsft order
just a general thought


