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mighty valley
people hate relying on other people in a multiplayer game
tulip kelp
I had to use CDs on every storm strike or whatever
tulip kelp
Also timing can be shit.. like if he smacks you during explosion from add and you leap out you can't keep pumping IP
compact jackal
How interesting, that spreadsheet's sim of the fang doesn't appear to count it as an embellishment
copper talon
Feels like I need to amp my magic reduction
Shield block and ignore pain up constantly
tulip kelp
Which boss specifically?
mighty valley
could probably be helped with positioning, move away from add when it's about to do explosion, then you can strafe out rather than leap away
tulip kelp
I'm 387 and 2 chest a couple 13s and almost timed a 14
compact jackal
Fang > Belt >> Lariat >> Armor spikes on my sim
fast knot
I swear you used to be able to block hits and not get a stack
copper talon
Stat prio is haste—crit/ vers right
sweet summit
I swear you used to be able to block hits and not get a stack
on what
fast knot
2nd boss RLP
sweet summit
nah
fast knot
or did it always apply
craggy pilot
Fang > Belt >> Lariat >> Armor spikes on my sim
Can you somehow sim it on a toon with unified gear?
compact jackal
I know you can SR AA's bomb or whatever the last boss tosses on you
compact jackal
Can you somehow sim it on a toon with unified gear?
I tossed a 402 weapon in just to keep ilvl a bit close
mighty valley
does the last boss of academy ever get scary at all
fast knot
If people drop circles in bad places it can be
sweet summit
no
compact jackal
longer it goes on the more you get to play Touhou
fast knot
more if your dps are dogshit honestly
mighty valley
trying to figure out what the hakkar bosses of this season are
sweet summit
literally impossible to wipe on that boss
compact jackal
AA tree
sweet summit
i swear
mighty valley
where they seem to do nothing and then become hard walls
fast knot
We came close in a 12 because there were three circles right near Vacuum that went touhou mode
tulip kelp
Fang > Belt >> Lariat >> Armor spikes on my sim
fang on crafted wep?
sweet summit
not many other places you can have fang
sweet summit
unsure how many there are
lusty grotto
sword mace axe
tulip kelp
@sweet summit What are your thoughts, is it worth upgrading RLP shield? Its loaded with mastery/vers
sweet summit
ilvl is king on shield
tulip kelp
Or try wait for the better one
sweet summit
but if you can farm a shield with better stats and higher ilvl then that is what i would do
lusty grotto
azure vault shield
tulip kelp
I have a 392 one now.. can upgrade to 411 pretty easy, valor cheap too
I've had no luck with other shields
lusty grotto
see thats why we crafted primal molten defender
tulip kelp
But I'm only doing 13s-15s now so don't know how much it matters
lusty grotto
on week 1
sweet summit
valor is very limited, i would not spend it on an item that low
tulip kelp
Yeah I was a dumbass and wasted my spark on the wrong neck heh
tulip kelp
Yeah, always one behind tho.. kinda rip
sweet summit
eh it's fine
tulip kelp
Basically trying to decide if I should make shield next week or upgrade my average one.. its only 1500 valor to bring to 411, so much cheaper than upgrading wep
glass spear
is fang adornments worth it on a 418 over a 421 vault weapon?
lusty grotto
so yeah
sweet summit
is fang adornments worth it on a 418 over a 421 vault weapon?
don't think so
would have to sim it
strong forum
Fang is, just like any other embellishment, 1% dps gain
So why lower one of your most important slots by 3ilvl, when you can get 1% from literally any other embellished slot
compact jackal
My big concern is how crafting will work in 10.1 onwards.
Do we get giga infusion for the next ilvl or do we make new things entirely?
tulip kelp
Hopefully new things
lusty grotto
they could just as easily put new recipes in
tulip kelp
Yeah
compact jackal
I imagine so
new embellishment items, and the ability to take the regular stuff higher
spark patrol
what would be the best crafted items for m+? i have lariat + 1h weapon with well fed embellishment which doesn't count towards the cap
belt seems like a reasonable choice
lusty grotto
i would guess so as well
sterile bough
is lariat bis untill end of season?
digital frigate
Nimchip, you do Mythic Eurnog, yes?
lusty grotto
no
digital frigate
Oh ok
lusty grotto
i dont raid mythic
digital frigate
That is okay too
lusty grotto
idk this expansion practically has gifted me gold so
im up like 1 mil since DF release
but i guess i just do other stuff like fishing and shit
lusty grotto
ive barely touched keys this week
too much work so i just afk fish or farm rep while i work
spark cedar
what would be the best crafted items for m+? i have lariat + 1h weapon with well...
Holy fuck, just now noticed the well fed doesn't count towards the cap #mindblown
spark patrol
Well that makes sense since it's quality of life (or wallet) change
does not give you any combat benefits
spark cedar
I know, but been holding on cause i thought it is an embelishment and never checked
sick sentinel
we will get tons of sparks throughout df anyways
spark cedar
Holding on due to the embelishment count mostly, not sparks
tender cove
im up like 1 mil since DF release
how? 😮
I make decent gold but never had an expansion being this expensive before either. Just bleeding gold
lusty grotto
craft most of my stuff
spark cedar
craft most of my stuff
@lusty grotto +
tender cove
Sure, i prob shouldnt macro 450g potions to avatar but I also feel it shouldnt be THAT expensive
sick sentinel
i just buy wow token, spend it, coast around 10k gold buy another, repeat
cinder nova
tender cove
craft most of my stuff
how? everything is more expensive to make than just buy?
lusty grotto
huh
tender cove
unless you farm every single mat yourself but how you have time for that bro? 😮
sick sentinel
you get enough gold to repair doing dailies and wq
sick sentinel
no mining on my main toon
tender cove
I have herb/mining on my pala but never feels like it gives any good gold per hour
sick sentinel
thats 1 way to go crazy, mining fills ur bags terrrible
sick sentinel
when somethings wrong whom will you be in communications with?
i love that soul trap ghost buster trap
lusty grotto
soul cage*
sick sentinel
zappthrottle and titanium and saronite was how i got epic flying in wrath 1
sick sentinel
im so old i played rs when santa hats and probably phats dropped
lusty grotto
ive never played RS
paper nexus
how viable do you think this build is? i've ran like 30~ builds this is the max i could get. just experimenting
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aVtLppPWmEPnfeJDF61shG
tender cove
And viable for what content?
modest rain
Anyone have tips for temple of jade serpent 3rd boss on like a 15? the p2 dot is fucked
tender cove
it also compares it with an m plus build
lusty grotto
it wont
paper nexus
@lusty grotto no I just noticed that thanks I'll do, I'm trying to maximize dps for terros
tender cove
or well, the title says so
lusty grotto
its not a AOE sim
tender cove
he's comparing builds and if you look down, one of them is titled mythic plus
paper nexus
he's comparing builds and if you look down, one of them is titled mythic plus
you can ignore that just a random include
lusty grotto
im the one that suggested he compares to the maximum parsing build
he wasnt comparing initially he said he tried several, i assume he was moving talents on his own
comparing to ours, i mean
tender cove
Fair enough, i just assumed he made a bunch of talent builds and was comparing them batch run.
sterile bough
Anyone have tips for temple of jade serpent 3rd boss on like a 15? the p2 dot is...
for first dot, ravager demo shout, 2nd wall, 3rd wall, 4th shout + last stand
tahts how I play it
u can wave in demo shout / spell reflect
depending on viability on now and next defensives
also always IV that shit
not sure if spell block works as well
tender cove
you cant block dots
stable frigate
my haste buffed in M+ is 39%. should I drop into the fray and pick up heavy repercussions? is 30% the cap before diminishng returns?
warm plinth
Into the fray has nothing to do with diminishing returns. DR only affects stat gained by rating, not percentage gains.
frozen rose
I’ve seen some documents saying ____boss ability is blockable with shield block. Does that mean the ability is 100% blocked? (Debuffs aside)
warm plinth
I’ve seen some documents saying ____boss ability is blockable with shield block....
It means you can block it. Not sure what you mean by 100% blocked though
frozen rose
As in you take 0 dmg
sterile bough
I’ve seen some documents saying ____boss ability is blockable with shield block....
block blocks for around 40% of dmg
warm plinth
Block reduces damage taken by a percentage that changes based on what type of content and what ilevel your shield is (and one talent)
frozen rose
Right I think electrified jaws from last boss, the magic dmg is reflect-able I heard
warm plinth
Right I think electrified jaws from last boss, the magic dmg is reflect-able I h...
It's not. You can block the physical portion, and you can spell block the magic portion if talented/active, but you can't reflect it.
frozen rose
Ah ok thx
warm plinth
That being said, spell reflection also has a 20% magic damage reduction portion, and that part would work ofc.
empty inlet
is frzeon better or dafting for m+
lusty grotto
you block up to your block value and to a max of 60% of total armor
crit blocks are just 2x your block value
up to that max as well
you never block 100% of the damage as in you take 0 damage
its impossible
marsh axle
hello, just managed to get my 2pc tier. would this change our rotation to try to keep the buff up with vengence?
lusty grotto
no
it doesnt change anything in our rotation
what specifically do you think it changes?
you still revenge
you still IP to dump before capping rage as an off gcd
marsh axle
i've actually held off on using revenge and just keep dumping it into IP
lusty grotto
why
marsh axle
guess that wasnt very right
lusty grotto
you can do both
marsh axle
haha, just getting a feel for the spec
lusty grotto
IP is off gcd and revenge is ON gcd
marsh axle
paranoid that i wont have enough fury
lusty nova
for the crafted necklace, why are some people recommending haste/crit as opposed to haste/vers?
urban portal
more damage
lusty nova
I see, and I guess the assumption is that warrior is tanky enough to not need vers
lucid dew
It seems like neck is dead if you read above
lusty nova
Are you able to recraft missives?
lucid dew
Belt and helm seem to be bis right?
lusty nova
I did not read that. This morning I just read that neck and shield were recommended
lusty grotto
Are you able to recraft missives?
yes you can
lusty nova
that's good to know at least
lusty grotto
we went shield because its a guaranteed upgradeable slot
lusty nova
now I need to figure out what's going on with crafted pieces
shield makes sense with the spike
lucid dew
I think a lot of stuff has been near term upgrades vs long term bis
lusty grotto
shield is the single most important defensive slot for warriors
it has nothing to do with spikes
you can just recraft those out
lusty grotto
it highly depends on your key level
and how high you get
do you see yourself doing 20s?
lusty nova
it will be a week or 2 before I am doing 20's
maybe longer. I started a new job so I have not been able to do as many keys as I would have like to
lucid dew
I’m just curious on crafting bis assuming good rng from 20 vaults
lusty grotto
are you betting on an RNG for the single most defensive slot of the class?
lusty nova
No, I agree that shield is a solid investment early on
I am more concerned regarding the neck vs maybe the helm?
lusty grotto
read pins
lucid dew
I fucked up my sparks early and made the engi pieces
lusty nova
play. so that is still current
lucid dew
Tinkers have been a disappointment
I’ll prob keep bracers on with the brez
Helm was a waste
lucid dew
Yea I’m not mad about bracers
Just helm reallt
I thought the flamethrower would be sick
Not really great as a tank ha
It’s hard to find times to get good value
lusty grotto
well extra BR is good for pushing
lucid dew
For sure
lucid dew
Yea but allied takes an embellishment
lusty grotto
though im pretty sure we can just tier it once the catalyst hits
lucid dew
Bracers are free
lusty grotto
thats also true
lucid dew
So can run bracers belt and pvp helm
Kinda three embellishes in a way
But is frost fire belt and infurious helm simming higher for most than larriet?
old sinew
I see that the pin links to icy-veins and icy-veins recommends using a gem with less raw stats simply because its all haste. Is this accurate? And like... why? Is Haste really that much better than versa?
lusty grotto
yes see pins stat prio
warm plinth
You should use multi stat gems
lusty grotto
oh that question
old sinew
You should use multi stat gems
okay see this makes the most sense to me
warm plinth
Haste/crit or haste/vers
lusty grotto
so @ionic fern second ping for this topic
old sinew
icy-veins recommends using the 88 single stat instead of 70+33
I get haste is better than versa I mean okay but I don't think its good enough you value it almost literally twice as much (18 vs 33)
haste would have to be doubly good compared to versa and no shot
warm plinth
yeah
old sinew
or else "use ilvl" wouldn't be a true statement
okay just a bit of a mental sanity check for me
round kelp
hi guys quick question: in academy how do u guys deal with the lasher toxin? as bear i could despell myself ez.... but how do war deal with it ? healer ?
lusty grotto
stand in green circle when treant dies
old sinew
hi guys quick question: in academy how do u guys deal with the lasher toxin? as ...
kite
I go piercing howl for that fight
germ 2 dragon's roar and ravager, shock wave, then piercing howl
germ 4 I use AE taunt
and kite
old sinew
I mean maybe but I'm just saying that's how we play it to beat it
warm plinth
Yeah I'm just saying that it needs to be adjusted somehow. Dumb mechanic
round kelp
thanks
compact jackal
Hmm
old sinew
huh
compact jackal
so at 405 in all gear, the unstable belt is 0.2% ahead of fang, and the fang is 0.8% ahead of lariat, and that's 1.1% ahead of spikes.
for my gear at least.
Kind of weird how bad lariat is for me.
lusty grotto
you guys are talking about trash or tree boss
because you just dispel it with the treant circle on tree boss
old sinew
bro
lusty grotto
yes?
old sinew
the boss uproots little lashers that spam a stacking DoT that does massive damage
lusty grotto
which you dispel with treant circle
round kelp
no only the bleed ?
lusty grotto
poison cleansing totem
round kelp
wtf even plays shaman?
lusty grotto
have been spoiled
by rsham
ME
reading fucking comprehension
stop being a douche about it
old sinew
calma
round kelp
i have nothing about shamns but when i sign up a group there are 10 durids 5 dragons and 2 priests
lapis iris
Stoneform also gets rid of the toxin if you happen to be a dwarf.
round kelp
rarly a shaman
lusty grotto
wtf even plays shaman?
if that answers your question
old sinew
tl;dr: if you're a warrior and you pug its worth learning to kite
warm plinth
the big add does not clear lasher toxin anyway as far as I'm aware. Just splinterbranch (the groupwide bleed)
splinterbark*
lusty grotto
yes its only the bleed
foggy drift
What’s the best way to deal with all the add damage from that fight
uneven mason
What’s the best way to deal with all the add damage from that fight
Kill the adds faster
kind glen
Can't do damage if they're dead.
uneven mason
^^
sick sentinel
What’s the best way to deal with all the add damage from that fight
You can also play bitter immunity it’s pretty decent for that boss imo (if ur on about free still)
lusty grotto
or just be dwarf
sick sentinel
Or just do both
lusty grotto
sure
sick sentinel
As you won’t have only 1 set of adds in most keys
foggy drift
Ty ty
sage sun
lariat still bis?
uneven mason
Literally had to solo the last boss, after they convinced me to wipe it and try again.
and then promptly died
at the same spot in the fight
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
lusty grotto
you hate to see it
past lark
Whats everyones least favorite key this week
icy bane
All of them
full venture
is unstable frostfire belt BiS?
ornate carbon
What’s the best way to deal with all the add damage from that fight
Shockwave. Pray.
prisma crane
I'm still not sold on that trinket
Does like 1.7% dmg and healing and I had a grand total of like 44 sec of the secondary stat buff in a 30 min key
torn locust
Anyone have some good WA they recommend. Some seem a bit outdated
loud patrol
how do you do the fire on the ground
the whole circle area that u cleared is the boss arena
warm plinth
how do you do the fire on the ground
Targets a random player. THey should either stand between boss and wall or boss and old fire
astral harbor
so lariat and a shield would be the great ?
mighty egret
in your case i would go for shield first then lariat
compact jackal
When your co-tank can't hold aggro and you take 3 electrified jaws and they get one shot as a druid to one and say they were in bear form 
median tulip
What’s the best way to deal with all the add damage from that fight
Have a Shaman use Earth Elemental on the active adds. I assume Boomkin trees would also work. The EE soaks almost all of the DoT stacks. Another option is an AoE stun.
What is critical is for the whole party to be stacked close by the tank so that the adds coalesce into one pack and get AoE'd easily.
astral harbor
in your case i would go for shield first then lariat
im looking here on subcreation
median tulip
Whats everyones least favorite key this week
Azure Vault. The second boss is murder.
astral harbor
why people prefere craft molten longsowrd then axe ?
axe get more damage base
oh i guess because the min damage of sword is bigger
median tulip
why people prefere craft molten longsowrd then axe ?
The damage difference is minuscule and irrelevant. It's probably more to do with more Blacksmiths having speced into Blades rather than Hafted, so it's easier and cheaper to get HQ crafts on the sword.
astral harbor
got it
and what is the best option on craft should i choose ?
the third option after missive option
pulsar walrus
does anyone know how to drop stacks of Feeling of Superiority on Peril/Strife in Temple?
or at least swap stacks to someone else?
jade tartan
Which embellishments does prot use for m+
full violet
Which embellishments does prot use for m+
See pins
warm plinth
does anyone know how to drop stacks of Feeling of Superiority on Peril/Strife in...
Stand near someone as it's expiring
solemn magnet
Did I goof if I made shield w/ Spike and 1hand axe w/ fang if I'm hoping to make lariat next week? It's an embellishment, too, right?
full violet
Yep
severe adder
You can remove the embellishment(s)
solemn magnet
oh tight
severe adder
Griftah's All-Purpose Embellishing Powder
full violet
You can use Alchemist Embellishment tho, its free and doesnt add Embellished. Its no gain, just QoL
solemn magnet
gotcha
wheat zenith
how good is cobalt ring on warrior? Not sure if I want to farm it on alt
silent sapphire
Meh
steel juniper
its nuts?
wheat zenith
is it? So you recommend to farm it?
silent sapphire
It probably depends what you plan to do with your alt to determine if you want to farm it or not.
wheat zenith
I play only m+ content
warm plinth
what's the highest lariat you can get made without an infusion?
silent sapphire
You should farm it then. Its not a terrible grind
wheat zenith
OK, thanks Sedit!
prisma crane
That cobalt ring does a ton of damage
Just sim it against pretty much any other ring and it wins
coral marsh
how do the upgrade items from mythic+ work? if you use it on a piece that isnt quality 5, can you still quality 5 it afterwards to up the itemlevel?
torn gulch
that's crafted items
it's not specific to m+
and yes you can recraft them for higher ilvl
coral marsh
yes i dont raid
torn gulch
with the appropriate materials
torn gulch
it depends of the item
prisma crane
Recrafts are cheaper
torn gulch
recrafting is not expensive
prisma crane
Not cheap but don't require the limited mats
torn gulch
you make it at 392 base rank 5 then you can add a tier one infusion for 405 rank 5 or a tier 2 infusion for 418 rank 5
that's your upgrade path
weary python
I seem to have lost 20k life and I have no idea why.
torn gulch
talents?
prisma crane
Trinket?
weary python
perhaps talents. Trinkets haven't changed.
heavy glen
Is it me or is AA tough?
lyric elm
It's very difficult
heavy glen
Yea, I had been
torn gulch
if they are stacked well enough yo'll get most of them
heavy glen
Yea
torn gulch
you might need to play with bitter immunity
for AA
if you have problems with the poison
tree was yikes on fort nevermind on tyr
torn gulch
everything according to guldan
lofty widget
shouldnt be needed if you get a poison dispell
lusty grotto
there are 4 healers that have it
torn gulch
tell that to pugs :)))
lofty widget
and a few dps too
lusty grotto
shaman has totem, paladin, druid, monk
lusty grotto
well if they want to push they need to be ready
yea forgot evoker's
its basically only priest that is kinda giga fucked there
and even then there's ways like dps having it
as you guys mentioned
slim dove
yeah pre sure pala druid monk get poison dispel baseline
warm plinth
They don't
Healer magic dispel is baseline. Additional effect dispels are talents
like paladin has this improved cleanse talent for example
which adds poison/disease
sick sentinel
is rio down?
bold merlin
is for me
storm merlin
It's been having trouble loading some things
rich aspen
i got the same
steep lion
warm plinth
It had a message on it earlier saying they were aware of the problem and were investigating
rocky dew
Hey!
Any thought about the different effect rings in DF for prot? Currently running the Scholar loop 389, wich ia about 4-6% of my overall, but just got a Jeweled Signet of Melandrus 398. Is it worth swapping just for the ilvl?
lusty grotto
yes
but if you want an educated answer you should sim it
remember its possible to get Signet above that ilvl
so either way do not throw it away
worldly willow
Hallo. when I use trinket Manic Grieftorch in this macro sometimes it not work, 60-70% it work correctly but sometime when I tanking it dont channel only get CD and do it 20-30k dps (only 1 tick) can someone help pls?
lusty grotto
demo is a gcd ability
its clipping
try putting demo last, or just removing it
ideally you do not want demo on that macro depending on your talent choices anyway
if you're tlords, you will desync
and if you do keys, demo has defensive use in very high tyrannical keys vs all types of damage including magic
which will be weird having it on a "one shot macro"
not recommended at all
somber sky
is there a specific way of surviving the bleed on second boss RLP? I spend wall and spam IP but i'm still getting chunked
lusty grotto
cleanse it with treant circle
somber sky
IDK what to use for the second and third time it's cast
somber sky
cleanse it with treant circle
???
lusty grotto
big add
somber sky
that's academy
somber sky
you're well done and extra crispy
somber sky
Well I'm using Wall for the first, LS + IV + hpot for second, third one I'm begging for a bark, 4th I get wall up for that iirc
lusty grotto
use demo
lusty grotto
well you might need to make changes to that
somber sky
like, for first and last boss, I'm unironically running spell block
lusty grotto
20% dr is nothing to scoff at
somber sky
defensive benefit >> trash dps this week tbh. Maybe even on high fort
but really tho. 394 ilvl and i'm getting hp rubberbanding like a dk
lusty grotto
also try bringing an evoker
with bleed cleanse, it doesnt matter if they are prevoker or destroker, its a class tree talent
somber sky
last time I brought an evoker, they killed themselves 3 times on first boss using the self grip
lusty grotto
yeah its weird how that goes
even if you tunnel the dumb proto when he comes down
you still gotta remember to panic taunt it in p2
definitely odd how it works that way, while other adds like lashers during tree on AA have threat tables
while buried i mean
somber sky
dps died 2 pulls in a row and we had to reset both times
ended up getting kicked from group because I didn't have threat at all... :( I suck
lusty grotto
lol mistakes happen
its probably the best learning tool
youll never do that again haha
somber sky
dude I love playing fury but s2g no one apps to my key and no one invites me when I app to theirs. Prot is the only way and it's not that I'm bad but when I make mistakes, it's so apparent lol
like on academy, First time add spawns, I ez survive the first phase but the second time it's a nightmare. healrs just die instantly because I don't have threat
lusty grotto
honestly id say youre on the right track if you can understand your mistakes
and that's a good thing
Challenging helps a lot for lashers
somber sky
there was a point where I took 11 10k hits with barkbreaker through wall and instantly perished.
lusty grotto
unless people are just standing all the way in africa for whatever reason
somber sky
yeah I sent challenging but 1-4 lashers still end up hitting healer and killing them. If I try to get them all, I have to go inthe middle of the pack and that risks getting hit in the back.
lusty grotto
hmm...
somber sky
unless people are just standing all the way in africa for whatever reason
range just seem to do that in almost every key i've done
lusty grotto
they really cant blame you if you dont insta grab 2-3 adds that are 20 miles away
somber sky
yeah and when I try catching up to them, i'm getting hit in the back by the lashers I've already got threat on.
lusty grotto
and if they do, its just better to ignore it
somber sky
like wtf am I supposed to do here? I legit want to time this bloody key and no one's trying to make it easy. Not even myself
somber sky
strafing around the pack instead of going through right?
lusty grotto
yea
somber sky
i need to calm down then and not panic charge.
lusty grotto
moving while strafing to a side, while lets say the side is pointing towards the adds you wanna grab
somber sky
i've always been backstrafing but this is something I've not completely mastered
lusty grotto
well charging is fine, just make sure youre positioned right
lusty grotto
😦
somber sky
150k dot is so fun. I want a lot of it.
lashers have "a chance" to inflict debuff. MF they have a 95% chance to do it imo.
get dispelled and then instantly debuffed :c
lusty grotto
the problem is that there's so many
the chance is there
but blizz should lower it due to the nature of that mechanic
somber sky
i'm sure there's a better way to do that pull
lusty grotto
it makes no sense to have a chance to proc on a single add while 20 of them hit you
somber sky
like some binding shot infinite kite bs
lusty grotto
it becomes a certified proc
yeah for sure, kiting is probably the way to go if you cant handle stacks
with cleanses i mean
somber sky
yeah 45 stacks + barkbreaker + splinterbark mass healing. Feels like a healer's nightmare :P
lusty grotto
im sure blizzard is looking at "data", they did nerf RLP and shit
at least on tuesday i mean
somber sky
nerfs can't come soone enough
sadly friends are already timing 20 academies
so it's not really a issue I need to overthink.
Just sad I can't spellblock the dot
.>
lusty grotto
it should be a group effort
so id say youre being too hard on yourself for sure on that particular scenario
somber sky
okok new question
trash right before first boss of SBG, they do something called void slash that's basically a tankbuster. What's the fix to this? ranging them when they cast it?
on a 16, I died to it to wall as well...
somber sky
i save SC, SB, and shockwave to cancel but after that I'm down to SR and wall because I send demo on CD for the damage benefit in avatar
lusty grotto
but honestly i dont think its worth running spell block there unless its fort week and its a high enough key
well
somber sky
can't stop running spellblock regardless. On first and last boss, damage mitigation feels divine as a result. Trash packs are also pretty small most of the time so I don't really get massive value out of it.
somber sky
yeah I'm thinking of kiting them like the shieldmaidens in hov
feel infinitely safe then. OK!
on TJS, the second boss, what stack do you usually swap?
I've been doing it at 7 but someone said 8's fine. Still the damage intake on that boss feels disgustingly high for the whole group. Our healer in a 15 did 69k hps
somber sky
i died like.. twice on that boss second time i needed a bres.
yeah I swapped at 6 but group kept attacking till it got immunity. Not sure if it increases the aoe damage from those nerds
mellow quartz
why are you talking abt kiting stuff
median tulip
There has to be a stupid trick…. Tree adds cuck
- Make sure the rest of the party are close, so all the adds cluster for easy snap threat
- Have someone use an AoE stun (or better yet, Shaman Earth Elemental or Boomkin Treants) to mitigate the damage and DoT stacks from you
- Kill the big add quicksharp when it spawns and then stand in the resulting healing/cleanse puddle
mellow quartz
like the packs you talk abt in smbg spell block is your friend on fort weeks, if you don't run spell block for those packs then just rotate CD's and SR the cast or stun it and when out of all cds you can kite if needed
no need to kite shieldmaidens in HOV either just take the hit
ebon geyser
- Make sure the rest of the party are close, so all the adds cluster for easy sn...
I hate this boss sooooo much
median tulip
I hate this boss sooooo much
It's honestly trivial with an Earth Elemental
ebon geyser
Ppl panic and run away with the adds
median tulip
Ppl panic and run away with the adds
Yeah, that's the biggest mistake. Gotta stack for snap threat and AoE.
mellow quartz
the main issue tbh is the timing of the big add dying, if it dies right when new swirlies spawn its hard for people to soak and clear their debuff
the debuff with grievous and burst forth always kills someone imo
somber sky
no need to kite shieldmaidens in HOV either just take the hit
80% armor reduction on shieldmaiden feels like i'm super gimped. Like i'm a clothie cosplaying a warrior
ebon geyser
Yeah, that's the biggest mistake. Gotta stack for snap threat and AoE.
If my pugs could read this they would be very upset
median tulip
IMO the worst boss with Grievous is the second boss of Azure Vault
median tulip
If my pugs could read this they would be very upset
This is why I only do guild runs
mellow quartz
80% armor reduction on shieldmaiden feels like i'm super gimped. Like i'm a clot...
you can just step back and you are out of range of the debuff hit
ebon geyser
I don't have that @median tulip
mellow quartz
they will recast, but use it to reset stacks
somber sky
you can just step back and you are out of range of the debuff hit
yes this is what I do. step back and then return
just wondering if this is the play with the skeletons in sbg too
mellow quartz
that is not the same as kiting though
you just face tank them and use CDs
you can SR the cast as well and use stuns etc
somber sky
does it reflect or just dr?
Sadge reflect guide is no longer pinned
unfortunate that this document is no longer maintained for this xpac
ebon geyser
This is why I only do guild runs
Finding a guild has been a pain
mellow quartz
save stuns for when you are low on rage and IP etc
somber sky
but pack should die before you run out of CDs
i legit charged in and dropped to 20% health when I had block up.
I must be doing sth wrong
very very wrong
median tulip
Finding a guild has been a pain
Well, unless you happen to be on EU-Draenor I can't help you with that
somber sky
save stuns for when you are low on rage and IP etc
i should work on this
i normally open with shield charge
don't know if that's the ideal play because it stun dr's
ebon geyser
Well, unless you happen to be on EU-Draenor I can't help you with that
I'm eu. Not there though
mellow quartz
i legit charged in and dropped to 20% health when I had block up.
they never cast slash synchronized thought, they stagger them.
you wanna get IP up asap and pump rage into it
this week should be trivial being Tyr etc but last week on fort and raging it mattered
spell block as a talent works wonders for those packs
somber sky
this week should be trivial being Tyr etc but last week on fort and raging it ma...
yeah i've been running this talent almost every dungeon
AV, RLP, HoV this button is omega amazing
hyrja literally forgets to do damage on the knockback
mellow quartz
then I don't understand your issues, you can wall, wall, LS, SR, spell block
I only run spell block in RLP and TJS
maybe smbg for those packs on fort, but not sure
somber sky
well I insta died on pull and that was my issue. I still am trying to get comfortable with opening as I'm not really able to do it like back in BfA, (Avatar > Demo > SB + TC)
mellow quartz
TC before demo of your aggro will be shit
somber sky
but I won't have sB up for pull :c
is that normal?
1 gcd of no protection?
rn i've been using ravager to open > charge > avatar + roar + sb > demo.
hazy fractal
Hey, anyone knows how works Ruby Whelp Shell trinket?
jagged pier
meh
mellow quartz
but I won't have sB up for pull :c
SB is off the GCD and has no impact on you being able to TC or not
somber sky
SB is off the GCD and has no impact on you being able to TC or not
I guess Ireally have to work on my rotation then.
oblique wharf
Im just kiting these
somber sky
it should fix my performance
oblique wharf
Cba thinking
somber sky
it's 100k less group dps if you're kiting perma and not doing somethign to kill them :c
somber sky
you absolute poggerschampion you
i lost 3 years of my lifespan typing that
hope you enjoyed it
also ty chat. I've learned a lot tonight. I will work on myself and get better at this spec
mellow quartz
@strong forum love doing a sim of full crit enchant and gems vs full mastery enchant and gems and dps difference is like 20 lol, talk abt not mattering
mellow quartz
let me get my magic 8 ball out for a second
blazing verge
jagged pier
well as they are closed for christmas and new yeaar i doubt any changes will come till new year
but i reckong changes are very likely
not they are actually needed survivability wise
damage wise maybe
blizzs fault for moving the magic damage around group and making most things to physical damage in raid as well
🤷
mellow quartz
dunno if they really wanna touch tanks more at this point or just leave them
jagged pier
not suprising we are strong
mellow quartz
they generally have this feeling of 'if we can avoid touching tanks and healers we will'
jagged pier
probably
cause they nerf tanks again
ppl will stop playing them
cause dungeons fucking truck
median tulip
Dungeons just have specific stop points. Certain pulls and bosses are total bullshit, others are trivial.
Apart from Azure Vault; that place is just hell
mellow quartz
imo AV is one of the easiest dungeons
median tulip
Academy and Burial Grounds are the easiest
mellow quartz
academy is not even close to being easiest
mellow quartz
only 1 AA has been timed on a 21
median tulip
Academy is trivial as long as you know how to do the tree
icy eagle
what potion is that?
icy eagle
so you mean its like cd's on first full add wave, pot on 2nd, cd on 3rd?
eager schooner
People cry when no one wants to tank. Blizz makes tanks stronger and fun and more people play them => cry because tanks are "too strong" => "no one wants to tank, Blizz do something!" 
median tulip
How-to tree:
- Make sure the rest of the party are close, so all the adds cluster for easy snap threat
- Have someone use an AoE stun (or better yet, Shaman Earth Elemental or Boomkin Treants) to mitigate the damage and DoT stacks from you
- Kill the big add quicksharp when it spawns and then stand in the resulting healing/cleanse puddle
jagged pier
People cry when no one wants to tank. Blizz makes tanks stronger and fun and mor...
yer pretty much
median tulip
Honestly meeting the DPS check on the bird is harder than the tree as soon as you know the strat for the tree
jagged pier
been a circle since mop
jagged pier
Honestly meeting the DPS check on the bird is harder than the tree as soon as yo...
what wait for 3 stacks?
or 4
hardly that difficult
median tulip
hardly that difficult
Exactly my point
tender cove
Honestly meeting the DPS check on the bird is harder than the tree as soon as yo...
there is a dps check on the bird?
median tulip
there is a dps check on the bird?
Only in a very nominal sense. I was being sarcastic over how easy the place is
wraith ether
i was getting eaten up by the lightning jaws on normal razageth last night
dying easily to it in p1, even with the tank swaps
is my ilvl too low? 371, 324k hp
mellow quartz
it is
if you just look at RIO and highest timed keys then AA is the hardest dungeon so far followed by RLP
craggy pilot
The other bosses also slap kinda hard in Aa
Only last boss seems kinda easy
3rd boss the orb debuffs hit quite hard
craggy pilot
Feel like they hurt when you take 3+
craggy pilot
How do you manage taking 4 tho? Feel like it's not rly possible without extra speed
craggy pilot
if dps can live 3-4 then you can live 6-7
My dps couldn't live 3 at +14
Even shit like cloak doesn't remove the debuff
mellow quartz
what does speed have to do with the aoe ability?
steep quarry
i was getting eaten up by the lightning jaws on normal razageth last night
The actual hit or are you not tank swapping after it? I just use spell reflect on top of ip and sb
craggy pilot
what does speed have to do with the aoe ability?
You have to pick up all of the orbs before they reach the boss 🤔
If you wanted to take 4
steep quarry
Also I rotate other cds too
mellow quartz
You have to pick up all of the orbs before they reach the boss 🤔
so you are talking abt the first boss
the elemental
not the bird boss
craggy pilot
so you are talking abt the first boss
Elemental yes, 3rd boss
mellow quartz
first in the dungeon journal
craggy pilot
Thought it's normal to do tree-bird-elemental
I did say orbs though 🤔
Does the bird have orbs?
median tulip
It's not meaningful to number bosses in AA as you can do them in a different order (I always do tree first)
mellow quartz
Does the bird have orbs?
the balls are orbs
craggy pilot
Tree bird elemental seems to be the logical play for lust timing tbh
median tulip
Does the bird have orbs?
Yeah, you have to throw them into the goals
Well, the DPS do
mellow quartz
if you talk abt a number I always just go by how they are listed in the dungeon journal
since people can do many things
median tulip
I've taken 6 on the Arcane Construct thing
mellow quartz
dps and healer can take an orb each
craggy pilot
Forgot the name of the boss 😂
mellow quartz
1 orb doesnt do shit
craggy pilot
dps and healer can take an orb each
The debuff won't fall off in time for next orbs then
median tulip
6 kinda stung
craggy pilot
Need to be dispelled between orbs
So need only 2 people taking orbs for the dispell
mellow quartz
the pugs I have done people have taken orbs before I could get more than 3
was never an issue
median tulip
The main thing with the Arcane Construct is to murder the fuck out of it so it doesn't have time to overwhelm your party
craggy pilot
Don't think DPS will survive if you wait til 3
median tulip
Violence is very definitely the answer
craggy pilot
The main thing with the Arcane Construct is to murder the fuck out of it so it d...
Yea, usually lyst that plus tree
mellow quartz
meant on you if you take them all
craggy pilot
meant on you if you take them all
That's what i mean, that's not rly possible without extra speed 🤔
mellow quartz
just drag boss around in a circle
can get get them all easy
dont tank him in the middle
tank him on sides
craggy pilot
I'm always so scared the orb will hit the boss when it's like on top of me 😂
mellow surge
Any trinket recommendation for prot warriors for M+?
wraith ether
The actual hit or are you not tank swapping after it? I just use spell reflect o...
Tank swapping right after it, but if I catch a single melee before the swap I'm on the floor. And the swap happens more often than the 3 min CDs
I could blame the other tank for that, but truthfully I ended up switching to DPS and a druid took my tank spot and had no issues.
I just felt sooo squishy
median tulip
Any trinket recommendation for prot warriors for M+?
Most of the defensive trinkets are pretty lacklustre; I just wear DPS trinkets
steep quarry
And you have sb and ip up? You could swap to dstance for it too if you find yourself squishy
mellow surge
Most of the defensive trinkets are pretty lacklustre; I just wear DPS trinkets
Oh i see thank you! I use the Versatility trinket from Hov
steep quarry
I personally had no problems tanking it the first week with 376ish gear
wraith ether
Yeah, pretty much always using dstance and ip. sb when its up for it
normal halo
i found my cotank (guardian druid) would get kinda chunked by the 1 or 2 hits he sometimes does during the debuff overlap but i was okay myself. around 390 ilvl tho
if your other tank is thiccer than you maybe try and hold taunt until your debuff is gone so you dont take them
bleak spade
yooo boys! Quick tanking question. Do i pop avatar lined with TR and Ravager every time? Anger managment kinda makes is bad to wait. How do i do it properly?
jagged pier
u send everything on cd
bleak spade
but every time it doesnt line up perfectly
i feel like im wasting avatar
to get roar and raveger back
marble cipher
That's why you send everything on cd
Sometimes you'll get to overlap, sometimes you won't 🤷♂️
wraith ether
if anyone's chillin with their coffee right now, here's the log im looking at from last night: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LPtzXVraghkB8Q93
I hit the floor on the first 10+ attempts at Raz before finally switching to dps and letting the druid take my spot.
i switched to dps on pull 14
and im looking at the timelines and deaths for those 13 attempts and so, so many of them are just from getting chomped by that lightning bite. i did have one wipe where i was hit by the beam, but the vast majority of these deaths just seem like i don't have enough health
hard timber
and im looking at the timelines and deaths for those 13 attempts and so, so many...
Use defensive on bite and tank swap. U dont want to get hit by it 2 times in a row
And that's basically it
wraith ether
i know. i think we were swapping mostly correctly
but sometimes the bite lines up with his melee and you take both within 1 second or so, and that would kill me 100% of the time
hard timber
Then there should not really anything u could die to
Ignore pain, spellreflect/spellblock and shieldwall
U wont die 100%
I mean I pugged the boss on normal with someone who doesnt know how to tank and immediately after a bite I told him to taunt.
I also had 2x stacks of bites one pull and did not die at all.
There must be something wrong with your defensive management then
full violet
Any advice on how to tank Ele Boss in Nokhud on higher levels? Havin a real hard time getting shredded
wraith ether
maybe it's because i wasn't using spellreflect
jagged pier
i mean your healers werent helping u out that much
wraith ether
i don't think it reflects the lightning bite? but magic damage reduction by 20% would have helped
wraith ether
it was the first time our group had gotten to this boss, so there was probably a lot of raid damage going out
jagged pier
not much healing at all received
but regardless of that
there is alot of not th ebest play here across the whole log
low blocked hits
low casts
wasting a fair bit of rage
wraith ether
i was definitely scrambling and frantic
wraith ether
wasting rage - is that from overcapping? or dumping it in ip when my ip is capped as well?
jagged pier
overcapping
wraith ether
ok, and low blocked hits can be improved with better shield block uptime yeah?
jagged pier
it kind of all goes together
because u have low casts
u dont gen enough rage
to use SB and other stuff properly
u also dont extened SB through SS
as well
as much as u should
your talents are also wack for raiding
no need for shockwave
wraith ether
yeah i switched them after last night, realized that i was using the m+ build for raiding and that may have been why i wasn't doing as well
jagged pier
i think u had that some where
theres no need for BSV, thunderlords is also rubbish in raid, u dont need spell block, your runnin show of force in raid makes no sense u get far more value out of sudden death, your running bloodsurge which is only good in aoe instigate is better for ST so most raid fights, u for sure dont need endurance training so and u for sure shouldnt be using seismic in raid expect on council
ionic roost
no need for shockwave
Shockwave is fine on Rasageth, but he should be spellblock and immovable object
wraith ether
thank you. here's the build that i've switched to: BkEAR5QSZgdnGefDo4ho9ZGXKLgAAAAASSikkg0SKJJp0QEIUEQJJBgIJJ0CJJAhDECAAAAAAAEJAAKlGA
jagged pier
there is no need for shockwave on raz at all
and IO u dont need
and spellblock u also dont need
ionic roost
There's a lot of shockwave value in that fight, for intermissions and sparks
jagged pier
sparks in normal
u stop once
thats an intuprt
adds onnormal and on hc
die before they even cast
and if not all dps classes are running aoe stuns
far more useful aoes spells for sparks than shockwave
its tiny compared to roar
or intmidating shout
ionic roost
So what's you're reasoning for not Immovable object, cause it's clearly the better ST dps talent
If adds insta deadge
You being real mixed signals
Also immovable object lines up nice with every bite
vapid turtle
the bite doesnt doesn't hurt that much even on hc
wraith ether
that's a good suggestion - maybe i'll try that instead of unstoppable force
i mean the bite was pushing my shit in last night
but then again i was also playing badly with the wrong talents
is battle-scarred veteran really a bad choice for raid? i would think it'd be a better selection than battering ram
chilly escarp
si this worrld boss trinnekt any good?
jagged pier
So what's you're reasoning for not Immovable object, cause it's clearly the bett...
sorry what?
clear ST dps increase?
its a dps lose
my dude
ionic roost
Sims higher for me
sick sentinel
i can garuntee it does more dps
jagged pier
and if it was it would require u to use SW on cd which u dont do in raid so it wont be anyway
sick sentinel
sw does zero dps on its own, this one increases tc value by ??? dps
ionic roost
and if it was it would require u to use SW on cd which u dont do in raid so it w...
why wouldnt you, IO makes avatar fake wall line up with every bith
bte*
bite*
jagged pier
u need just SR for jaws
and block
but thats not the point avatar lines up with it anyway
sick sentinel
it probably feels good to run immovable cause you dont die as fast or something, but why not just run the pther, do more dps and kill it before it kills you with a 3rd ice blast
jagged pier
has nothing to do with IO
but my point was its not a dps increase
if u want to run IO im not stopping u
ionic roost
IO gives you shield wall when you avatar
jagged pier
i know
but to get full value out of IO
u need to use SW on cd as well
as it gives u avatar
ionic roost
yea and you can do that
jagged pier
okay good for u
but thats horrendous play
and again not a dps increase
as u stated before
ionic roost
but thats horrendous play
.
ionic roost
u need just SR for jaws
.
ionic fern
You do you buddy.
ionic roost
you call my play horrendus
sick sentinel
its more about how aggressive can you get (dps) while mitigating the most dmg before it happens, so your healer can focus on healing the group and you prevent dmg by making only 3 mjaor boss group dmg abilities happen insteead of 4 or 5 cuz you raised the dps
ionic roost
yea, but why wouldnt you use stuff youre not using at all
jagged pier
and i regularly take 2 jaws because aggro issues
sick sentinel
if the healer never needs to worry about you at all, then they can focus on healing the dps and doing dps themselves
ionic roost
just do what i did, have them taunt just before the cast
jagged pier
he does
ionic roost
and that lets you use shield wall on cd
sick sentinel
unless mistaken taunt increases threat tour dmg deal for next few seconds by what is it, 400%?
ionic roost
i'd love to deep dive a jakey log
ionic roost
character name?
ionic fern
i think hardcore logging is weird
What is "hardcore" logging?
You log to IMPROVE your play.
sick sentinel
its a bullshit buzzword i invented literal right now
i jist find logging culture on woe to be wierd, you killed th3 boss or you didnt
wraith ether
well, in my case it took 18 attempts to kill the boss. and i wasnt even tanking when we finally did down it. so i gotta see what tf i was doing here
sick sentinel
like, its not complicated, really, i get the point of logs, just resent them
its too much of a reality check for me
jagged pier
you didnt even listen to the advice we gave u in the first place yogi then try to gas light us by telling us different things until we just went and checked your logs manually ourselfs
then u said u dont like listen to ppl giving u advice
so what are we supposed to do
🤷
jagged pier
👍
sick sentinel
i dunno, but thats probs ly i dont play dps ona deep level
id figure out too quickly i suck
then stop playing
ionic roost
just for the love of god, if your gunna take Impenetrable wall make sure if your first shieldwall wont be until 4:45 into the fight, you just hit the button a couple times
unlike a certain advice giver
jagged pier
u use SW when u need it
not just because its up
🤷
sure u can
and theres nothing wrong with it
ionic roost
sick sentinel
im not looking to see the man behind the curtians at wizard of oz, or well, not again at least
ionic roost
there are 2 moments before 4:45 you needed it
ionic roost
i do, but they trust me to also not take unneeded extra damage
i also really wish you had killed rasageth heroic
so i could do a real comparrison
sick sentinel
only a game, why you heff to be mad? (plays class all about rage)
ionic roost
ill just have to stick with the first 5 minutes of the fight i guess
jagged pier
i mean theres plenty of hc kills in there
u can comparison any of them
but nah lets take a 5 min log instead of the 7% wipes so i can prove my point
strange lintel
man the rlp firt boss is deleting me. i spell reflect one ice cast then shes just eating right through my cds
i cant believe 392 is not enough for a 15 rlp
ionic roost
but nah lets take a 5 min log instead of the 7% wipes so i can prove my point
i just clicked on the most recent pulls i saw
lilac jay
What are your preferred Trinkets guys? For ppl who only play like the first 4-5 hc bosses and mythic plus?
sick sentinel
i guess also tooo why do i care about logging when i turned off dbm and recount and logmanager addon, and then only running 4's and +5's this week
ionic roost
oh pog i found them