protection

[sand pebble]

enchant missing? talent change?

[tropic tangle]

missing enchants?

[naive sinew]

no change

[sand pebble]

still have the old gear?

[naive sinew]

yeah i put it on

and it gives me higher hp

[sand pebble]

thats weird

[safe anvil]

Hi. Is there a new up-to-date Blockable/Reflectable Spells Sheet ?

[sand pebble]

in pins

[sweet summit]

does anyone have the spell ID for vanguard's determination buff?

[uneven mason]

Compare items to items

[gritty glen]

Show screenshots of the items side by side. Show before and after screenshots when swapping. I have a hard time believing an "upgrade" will cause loss of HP.

[sweet summit]

nvm got it

[sand pebble]

i mean it might be a bug with the gearr or a ui bug

but no i havent seen anything of the sort

[mellow quartz]

More likely he just fucked something up lol

[slim dove]

faction swapped to alliance now i cant find a single person to recraft my lariat to 405

trade chat literally dead

what do

[naive sinew]

same talents

[mellow quartz]

Shows lower ilvl in the one with lower hp?

[naive sinew]

no

higher ilvl has lower hp

i got the same shield at 402

but that shield gives me lower hp

[uneven mason]

What items are you swapping

[sand pebble]

why is one 130 rage and the other 100 rage

[naive sinew]

shield

i dont know

[uneven mason]

This

[naive sinew]

i didnt change talents

[gritty glen]

Something else is changing that you aren't showing or aware of

[naive sinew]

wtf

im bugged

[gritty glen]

Are you saying that when you swap in the higher ilvl shield and NOTHING else, your HP goes down?

[naive sinew]

yeah but it looks like my rage is also changing

[sand pebble]

almost like its not counting 500 stam

[naive sinew]

like im doing nothing other than changing out the shield

[sand pebble]

puyt higher shield on and relog

[gritty glen]

Your rage is changing when you swap the shield?

I'm skeptical

[naive sinew]

yeah

[sand pebble]

thats busted lol

[gritty glen]

Overwhelming Rage talent is activating somehow

[tacit haven]

you're also dropping 3% haste, but not gaining any other secondaries

[last pebble]

how many stacks you swap on H terros?

tank notes says 1 but then you have 2 stacks

[tacit haven]

oh wait, you get 1% crit

[sand pebble]

WAIt

[tacit haven]

2 on terros, I don't think you reset stacks if you swap on 1

[sand pebble]

do you have pvp gear, wm on and somehow activated pvp combat causing your gear to goto pvp ilvl

[slim dove]

aight no but fr how do i get my lariat recrafted if my battlegroup is dead for the faction i just swapped to

[jade stump]

Heey, im out of the warrior loop, and need to gear one for next week, is worth crafting the lariat and the helmet?

[lyric geode]

ok...

CoS

[sand pebble]

haha trinket/ring

how many rogues want in

[uneven mason]

Shield

[slim dove]

wInDsCaR wHeTsToNe

also ring

[uneven mason]

Don't craft tier slots

[slim dove]

and healer trinket

[delicate lake]

cant you send private work orders to the opposite faction?

[storm merlin]

Weapon/shield probably more noticeable

[jade stump]

my only drop until now is a 402 weapon

maybe lariat and shield? or the lariat is not worth

[storm merlin]

You can send work orders to opposite faction, just need to find a guy there

[lusty nova]

Okay, so lariat and shield. That sounds solid. I was just about to ask this question.

[storm merlin]

Yeah okay, probably not weapon then unless you can do 418

And I'd probably send shield 418 first

[slim dove]

oh my god you can

you just cant whisper them directly

[storm merlin]

Yeah I have a horde alt to find horde crafters

[slim dove]

its absurd we dont just have full cross faction everything at this point

[bleak quartz]

guys how do you handle with temple of jade serpent 3rd boss? (liu flameheart). healing absorb hits hard

[sand pebble]

by 11.0 if we want it

find gud healer

press defensives

[limpid anchor]

Cds and cds from heal

[lyric elm]

You survive or die that's about it

Time dilation is strong

[fallen pulsar]

Is there any pins/should there be any pins on recommended talents for m+

[storm merlin]

We either need cross faction trade, or be able to select quality on public orders

[limpid anchor]

Yes there are pins

[fallen pulsar]

I guess I meant by dungeon

Not the general m+ talent

[lyric elm]

No

[limpid anchor]

The quality on public order is so scuffed

Idk why you can’t select it

Makes them kinda obsolete

[sand pebble]

thats kinda alot of work for pins - thats more an indepth guide

[lyric elm]

You can't guarantee a 5 quality maybe that's why

[limpid anchor]

Then no one can fulfill it, that’s alright

[sand pebble]

yet* ^^

[fallen pulsar]

Yeah maybe a post for the guides section

Guides-resources-faqs*

[limpid anchor]

But if I would want a craft and I get a tier 1 lariat for example, it would be the biggest scam

[mellow quartz]

Talent double wall and spell block. Use CDs for each hit. You have 2x wall, spell block, LS and can/should use SR together with both spell block and LS as they are not proper defensives on that hit.

Worst case use rally for yourself as well after all CDs are done together with SR.

[slim dove]

hopped on a horde alt and got 6 messages within 10 seconds of posting in trade

stupid

alliance feels like a dead realm for me in comparison.

[neon gulch]

Also helps to IV or health pot after the hit

[storm merlin]

Depends heavily on your realm

[fallen pulsar]

What realm are you on Varugh?

[slim dove]

mal'ganis (im leaving soon, same battlegroup as oce is cursed)

[fallen pulsar]

Stormrage I was able to get crafter pretty quickly as alliance

[lusty tiger]

Is prot war getting nerfs after RWF?

[fallen pulsar]

Maybe? Nobody can know for sure

[jagged pier]

wouldnt be suprised if there are

[fallen pulsar]

It would make sense in terms of timing

[lusty tiger]

What would they even nerf? Why not buff other tanks

[mellow quartz]

Literally the largest Alliance server in NA so no shit lol

[uneven mason]

Our st DPS

[lusty tiger]

😴

[fallen pulsar]

I didnt look at the stats lmao but yeah makes sense

[uneven mason]

People get more butthurt over warriors when they do well over any other class

[lusty tiger]

Maybe

[uneven mason]

Like bdk can be immortal and top DPS and people are like "well duh, they're a hero class"

[lusty tiger]

If they buffed another tank- I’d want to try a tank alt

[jagged pier]

as they said in there statement 'having strong tanks is unfun for other players' or somthing alone those lines so buffing the other tanks is very unlikely. besides that teh other tanks are just as strong as us defenisvly pretty much theres not much leyway but we stronger. and in terms of what they could nerf. could be a talent rework nerf some talents like sheild spec or moves things around

and also nerf our damage

👍

[uneven mason]

"strong tanks ruins my fun"

[lusty tiger]

That would be depressing

[ebon geyser]

Echo might kill today

[uneven mason]

Ok enjoy waiting 3 hours for tanks for your m+ because no one wants to play one

[lusty tiger]

Lol I’d rather them die like the floor pov shmuck melee dps they always wanted to be

[jagged pier]

i explained it yesterday its a weird situations they made us stronger against physical damage then made more things do physical damage

🤷

[lusty tiger]

Ye

I saw that

And I think that usually happens with magic and dk/DH

[ebon geyser]

Toxicity is what make ppl not play tanks not nerfs

[lusty tiger]

Tru

[lyric elm]

Both

[uneven mason]

No, if I feel like I'm 100% reliant on a healer to perform my role it ruins the feeling of being a tank

[brisk gust]

How much value is leech in ilvl?

[mellow quartz]

None

[tired pivot]

how are you guys tanking the last boss of azure vault

[uneven mason]

Toxicity I literally just ignore the turd and move on

[tired pivot]

it gets me down to 20% with big hit from last boss on a 17

[mellow quartz]

Until he dies?

[uneven mason]

Use cooldowns?

[tired pivot]

I do

[mellow quartz]

Use SR on his tank hit

[tired pivot]

does it through a cd

[mellow quartz]

Negates all damage

Then use wall whenever it’s not up

[tired pivot]

spell reflect does??

[mellow quartz]

Yes

[uneven mason]

Yeah

[tired pivot]

jesus crist

[mellow quartz]

Literally since beta

[tired pivot]

thanks for the tip

[uneven mason]

Also slaps

[ebon geyser]

If u don't wanna depend on healer play dh or dk

[mellow quartz]

You can wall every hit where SR is on CD

[ebon geyser]

Other than that tanks will depend at a point on their healer

[tired pivot]

insane, never knew

[uneven mason]

That's not how tanks work

[tired pivot]

this will be big for pushing above 17

[lusty tiger]

This guy making me depressed

Is this our tank future?

Healer dependency

[uneven mason]

You'll be shocked that the tanks are all really close for external healing

[mellow quartz]

You are dependent on your healer now if you do hard enough content 🤷‍♂️

[uneven mason]

This

[median tulip]

He's dead easy once you get used to the idea that you have to not move for 4s to drop stacks.

[slim dove]

WHAT

[tired pivot]

I can easily do everything easily

it was just the tankbuster that was screwing me

but spell reflect is a cheat

so it will be a breeze

[median tulip]

Assuming I'm thinking often right boss. The crystal dragon, right?

[tired pivot]

ye

[storm merlin]

Except monks

[slim dove]

aint no way your not trolling me rn

[median tulip]

Either don't move, or move big. I use Heroic Leap and Charge a bunch on that boss.

I've only done it on like a 14 or something mind

[brisk gust]

huge diff on 14 and 17 tbh

on that boss

[median tulip]

Yeah I can imagine

[brisk gust]

Save heroic leap and stand still as much as possible

[mellow quartz]

One guy asked abt tank hit other guy responds abt movement ref slow debuff 🤷‍♂️

[brisk gust]

use charge on crystals to move out

haha

mb

[edgy grail]

Avatar

Removes it

Can also be dispelled

[mellow quartz]

You shouldn’t need a dispel as a warrior tbh. Move, stand still move. Heroic leap as an emergency if needed. Should be all you need.

[median tulip]

Charge at crystals. If you really still have problems, spec intervene

[rotund eagle]

Hi guys, any one know what the best shield to craft is? the vers proc one or the other one 🙂 ?

[ancient lantern]

play gnome lol

[median tulip]

Whichever has highest ilvl

[rotund eagle]

then are the same ilvl

[median tulip]

Is the Vers proc an embellishment?

[rotund eagle]

its a "pre" embellish yes

[tropic tangle]

vers proc counts as embellish yeah, craft the primal molten

[rotund eagle]

the "other" one you can chouse your embellish

[hazy thicket]

You can't choose the stats on the proc sheild and it doesn't have haste on it

[rotund eagle]

ah cool thx

[median tulip]

Vorpal makes a solid point about Haste

[rotund eagle]

and the best embelish is the spike thingy right?

[median tulip]

All of the Embellishments are pretty much as good as each other

[untold lintel]

should we have haste vers in all piece of gear?

[lusty tiger]

Optional

[untold lintel]

or theres a breakpoint to start invest in other stats?

[wooden widget]

is there a spot you guys feel you have too much haste

[lusty tiger]

Ilvl >> haste > crit >= vers

[wooden widget]

or like you can chill on haste

[median tulip]

Priority order is Tier > iLvl > Haste

[lusty tiger]

Never chill in haste unless it’s for mainstat

[wooden widget]

with full into the fray im at 38

ok gotcha

[lusty tiger]

Itf is ok for some content

But guarantees not 100% block uptime

From what I’ve read

[vocal olive]

Been looking at talent builds from a bunch of tanks and guides and not many are consitent. anyone have a good option for raiding and M+. I feel like rage generation is kinda slow somtimes

[wooden widget]

im not doing high enough keys to warrant repercussions

[lusty tiger]

When?

[lusty tiger]

Sure you are

[median tulip]

Actually technically Tier > Strength > Haste, 'cos it's sometimes better to lower ilvl on jewelry to get Haste

[wooden widget]

lol i truly am not

[lusty tiger]

Ok

[mellow quartz]

Crit is not >= vers it’s just =

[lusty tiger]

Greater than or equal?

Really?

[mellow quartz]

It’s just equal

[lusty tiger]

That off?

[median tulip]

Into The Fray doesn't count towards the level at which diminishing returns kicks in anyway

[lusty tiger]

Well it’s greater for some things no?

[vocal olive]

On some fights i feel like my rotation isnt keeping ignore pain up all the time

[lusty tiger]

Like parrying dark claw

[mellow quartz]

Says who? Not the pins for example.

[lusty tiger]

Ok sorry

[median tulip]

I've got like 30% crit, it makes bad DPS players cry

[lusty tiger]

No but it’s equal to 30% vers

[mellow quartz]

It’s all very much in ‘who cares’ territory though for the 2nd secondary stat.

[lusty tiger]

I care about parrying dark claw tbh

[mellow quartz]

And if you don’t it gains you nothing

[lusty tiger]

It gains me crit chance

[mellow quartz]

Nothing defensive

[lusty tiger]

Mobs die faster

[mellow quartz]

Since you talked abt parrying stuff

[lusty tiger]

It’s a free get out of damage chance

[mellow quartz]

Vers also gives damage and Dr

[lusty tiger]

Ye

[mellow quartz]

Just different

[median tulip]

Versa is probably a better stat in Raid, but Crit is just fun in M+

[tulip harness]

Does brutal vitality basically mean unless my active ignore pain absorb hits 0, I don't have to renew it ever?

[lusty tiger]

When they fix the bug yes

[median tulip]

It's bugged

[signal sequoia]

When they fix the bug

[mellow quartz]

Depends on the content you do.

[lusty tiger]

Tier will fix the bug

Sorta

[mellow quartz]

No

Tier is 5%

[lusty tiger]

Yea blizz sucks

[tulip harness]

Whats the bug?

[mellow quartz]

Pins

[median tulip]

If you cap IP then Brutal Vitality stops working until IP totally falls off, IIRC

[tulip harness]

Well, assuming I deal damage before the timer runs out, it should never run out, right? I guess I'm just asking if it the timer on ignore pain renews when my damage done adds to the absorb

[brisk gust]

How much is an extra leech roll worth in ilvl?

https://gyazo.com/d58b543e433add593e8188fc399cfddc

[tulip harness]

Ah, I see. And people are assuming this wont be fixed by blizz? since someone mentioned tier fixing it I mean

[brisk gust]

Would u say this is better than 411 haste/vers

[maiden glade]

Where did those drop?

[lusty tiger]

They should just uncap ignore pain

Best fix

[modern brook]

You lose strength armor stamina and secondary stats to get like an extra 2 percent healing on a tclap

It's bad

[brisk gust]

So bascially i swap those if i have higher ilvl?

[modern brook]

Ilvl >all

[brisk gust]

Even if u have socket? socket value should rank high no?

[lusty tiger]

Sim I guess

[limpid anchor]

That’s bugged since beta

So the hope is low

[uneven mason]

Not on armor slots

[tulip harness]

gotcha

[modern brook]

Every tertiary roll is a trade off of main stat for blank

Defensively speaking, rarely worth it

Offensively speaking

Sim it

[uneven mason]

If they fix it it'll be viewed as a buff to warriors and the feelycrafts crowd are already up in arms that they can see our mitigation epeen in display

[modern brook]

Gearing warrior is the simplest thing in the universe

[stark ocean]

stupid question, but, i find things come off cooldown so fast, that i don't have time to Revenge (since it invokes GCD) to dump rage in order to hit shield slam or TC... so i just IP to dump so i can hit SS/TC. is that okay? or should I just revenge to dump and ignore the fact that SS/TC will sit off cd for a second?

[strong forum]

if they can do all of mythic raid with ~402 ilvl

[strong forum]

i do very much believe that "defensive" gearing for raid is absolutely worthless

not like i ever believed that defensive gearing for raid is much of a thing to begin with

[uneven mason]

Ss and tc always

[stark ocean]

Thanks Ikarikaze; so just IP so i can hit SS/TC, and only revenge to dump IP if those badboys are on CD.

beauty, so I'm doing this right. thanks!

[uneven mason]

Yeah press IP to avoid capping

[modern brook]

Well no hang onnvm I can't read

[strong forum]

treat revenge as a tool to get shield slam resets

same with thunderclap

[median tulip]

My thinking was more that Crit is less useful as a damage component of a whole raid

[uneven mason]

Ss hits so hard that it beats revenge under 5 targets anyway

[modern brook]

Crit and verse will avg out to be equal offensively

[uneven mason]

Because of dr

[strong forum]

crit is actually better offensively

in every way

[lusty tiger]

Pls specify in pins lol

For me

[strong forum]

i mean

just look at the talent tree

we have like 5 talents that benefit off of crit

[uneven mason]

We have alot of crot interact now

[lusty tiger]

I was getting called out because pins don’t say that

[median tulip]

I mean, in M+ with nearly 30% crit I make bad DPS cry

[modern brook]

No one reads that shit anyways who cares

[strong forum]

i made a compromise when i made that stat prio for pins

[lusty tiger]

@mellow quartz

[strong forum]

cuz the whole world would burn down

if i told people that crit is better than vers

[lusty tiger]

Yea right

[strong forum]

and cba that fight

it doesnt matter enough to fight about it

[uneven mason]

But magic damage

[slim dove]

go all crit and sit in def stance

[brisk gust]

Anyone know where to put GCD on a WA so i see the gcd over a spell? I took an UI but it doesn't show the GCD on revenge, I wanna see it

[strong forum]

the more crit you have the less you need def stance cuz you reduce the physical portion of dmg intake

[slim dove]

is joke

[mellow quartz]

What is ‘better’? Depends on your priority and goals.

[uneven mason]

It's a party parry

[lusty tiger]

I said >=

[strong forum]

and therefor your capped mitigation like IP and Indom do more work for the dangerous parts

[median tulip]

The more crit you have the less you need def stance because you kill everything faster

[mellow quartz]

It you also did not know why

[lusty tiger]

Ok

Tru

[median tulip]

I am a strong believer in the "dead is the best form of crowd control" school of thought

[modern brook]

I can come up with like wild strikes off memory.

[strong forum]

wild strikes is the big one yes

then you have execute crit dmg, shield charge crit dmg, shield slam crit dmg

[modern brook]

Do aa crits give more rage?

Or is that arms

[strong forum]

no thats only arms

[modern brook]

Game sucks

[strong forum]

bro i wish we had that too

it would be so nice

[modern brook]

I didnt know we were counting crit damage talents smh

That's cheating because I forgot

[strong forum]

crit interaction = crit interaction

[median tulip]

Sadly. If we had that it would be amazing

[modern brook]

[mellow quartz]

Still prefer vers myself but as I said earlier it’s all nitpicking.

[strong forum]

ye it doesnt matter much

[tired pivot]

ok thanks for the tip, that last boss did nothing after I spell reflected his stuff

[modern brook]

Verse more like werse lmao

[lusty tiger]

Poggies

[mellow quartz]

Just wanna replace my 379 weapon already and will take all secondaries.

[median tulip]

Versa ain't bad. At least it's not Mastery.

[modern brook]

What lvl does rf drop?

[strong forum]

i bought the 385 primal storms weapon yesterday

ive done like 30 keys that can drop weapon but nah man

[lusty tiger]

I got my 402 twice strike last week

[strong forum]

here have this ring

[mellow quartz]

Feel like I get loot every 3-4 keys only

Sad times.

[opaque vine]

What slot has the fire damage embellishment

[slim dove]

belt

[strong forum]

belt

[severe steeple]

wanna trade places?

have it on arms spec for trinkets and all ig et is 2hands

[mellow quartz]

No

I forgot to swap to fury loot spec for COS the first 5 runs

Swapped and got trinket 2nd run after

[brisk gust]

Windscar Whetstone huge for us?

[mellow quartz]

Yes

[strong forum]

very

[mellow quartz]

Was like 9% of my dam in a key lol

[brisk gust]

Oh damn

[mellow quartz]

Helps its tyrannical

[brisk gust]

though i was fine on trinkets

https://gyazo.com/11171bf04f66382e746102a8fefd859b

But my decorative flames doesn't do near 9% dmg

[mellow quartz]

Wind scar is flat damage no matter what.

[strong forum]

decorative flame is even bugged

it does more dmg than it should

[strong forum]

actually it does increase per target up to 5

funnily enough

but old tooltip be old

[mellow quartz]

Not when I tested it in beta

[slim dove]

ive done probably 30 court keys this week

no whetstones.

;_;

[mellow quartz]

Fury loot spec?

[slim dove]

yes

[sick sentinel]

i've done 2 baby keys this week

[sick sentinel]

a 4 academy, and a 5 vaults

[strong forum]

on 5 targets

[lusty narwhal]

Does whetstone not drop as prot?

[strong forum]

nop

only as fury/arms

[lusty narwhal]

O I c

[strong forum]

always check loot tables

before you run a key

[lusty narwhal]

So I have a question if I have 3 trinkets, the heroic one off eranog, whetstone and the super rare one off council

Which 2 do I use

[strong forum]

whetstone + vengeful thingy

[mellow quartz]

Not at my computer but isn’t 360k the norm for ST as well?

[strong forum]

no ill show when CD is back up

[lusty narwhal]

@strong forum does the super rare one take prio of I have other people in raid with one?

[strong forum]

specifically in your group*

it doesnt work raid wide

[silk cliff]

clearly u swapped gear

xd

[lusty narwhal]

Well I could easily have a group swapped around me but does it take prio at that point nomen?

[strong forum]

https://tenor.com/view/corbin-patrick-corbin-willpilled-gif-23167607

[mellow quartz]

Must have changed it to be even better then (or worse) as I tested it on 4 dummies and tank dummy separately on beta and it did the same total dam.

[lusty narwhal]

If other people in my group have the trinket is that one better to prio over 1 of the other ones

[strong forum]

ye i also thought that up until a few days ago

[ebon geyser]

time to lvl this war

[strong forum]

but its clear right there

cant even argue crit rng

[mellow quartz]

Wonder if they lowered the ST though

[strong forum]

nah proc is the same

[mellow quartz]

It was abt 360k on beta

[strong forum]

gotta keep in mind

its physical

did you test on the wrong dummy?

[mellow quartz]

Hmm

[ebon geyser]

gonna aim to make nom and mawhi proud

[strong forum]

physical = 30% reduction

the raiders training dummy doesnt have armor

[mellow quartz]

Nah the 4 dummies in BFA horde land and the tank dummy

[strong forum]

did you have 421 whetstone

cuz uh

[uneven mason]

Lol til

[strong forum]

that plays a role

[mellow quartz]

Yes vendor one

[strong forum]

ye thats why

mine is 398

[mellow quartz]

Makes sense

[strong forum]

yeah alot of testing on beta went out the window for some RWF guilds

cuz they did their testings on the wrong dummy

[mellow quartz]

Nice buff then to that trinket that was already great.

[strong forum]

[lusty narwhal]

So for prot In normal and maybe heroic raid can I sit in battle stance for a lot of the fights? Feel like I o ly need def stance for fights like terroa

[silent anchor]

how do you live the frontal on valor boss

[strong forum]

you sit in b-stance until you feel like you cant anymore

[lusty narwhal]

I feel like In mythic plus I can also do it

[silk cliff]

if you need to sit Dstance in normal terros either healers are AFK or something is up with your SB uptime ngl

[strong forum]

i rarely ever go into d-stance in m+

[lusty narwhal]

Although I've only done like +13 so far

[strong forum]

ever

[mellow quartz]

It doesn’t hurt?

[strong forum]

which frontal

[silent anchor]

literally takes me to 3%

[lusty tiger]

U got method to keep u up

[mellow quartz]

Heimdal?

[silk cliff]

eyir sheild of light prolyl

[last crest]

why is this good for m+? i thought the shockwave one i badge for tyrannical

[lusty narwhal]

@silk cliff that was mostly meant for heroic

[strong forum]

sir i also "pugged" with a diff top 20 guild

[silent anchor]

hyrja frontal

[strong forum]

hyrja frontal is rotate CDs

[silk cliff]

ehh you could but first rotation of debuffs is Shield wall

[lusty tiger]

Ahah I’m just being jealous

[mellow quartz]

SR and wall

[nimble laurel]

Is block value only determined by the stat on your shield?

[lusty narwhal]

Yea

[strong forum]

yes

[strong forum]

eww

[lusty narwhal]

What can you shield block this week?

[mellow quartz]

There is a gem that gives shield block value %

[lusty narwhal]

Spel block

[mellow quartz]

A whole 1%

[nimble laurel]

If my block value is 8k, then I mitigate 8k damage or 16k with block crit?

[strong forum]

its %mitigation

not flat

[mellow quartz]

Same as other weeks

[nimble laurel]

Ooh

[strong forum]

its not good at all

[craggy pilot]

Anyone know what nerf they're talking about on scripe stream? 🤔

[lusty narwhal]

@mellow quartz what in particular? I'm not as knowledgeable so idk

[mellow quartz]

Spreadsheet in pins

@strong forum how good is mastery really defensively.

Is it not technically more value than vers

Against physical

[strong forum]

vs physical, sure its better than vers

but since we have such strong block already through talents

the relative gain from crit blocking is worth less than in previous xpacs

that being said

im convinced they stealth nerfed block from beta

[mellow quartz]

Thinking if you block for 2x the damage then that leaves a larger part of your IP to absorb magic

[strong forum]

cuz i can reach 60% block despite 418 shield

[strong forum]

well its not 2x

since the cap is 85%

[mellow quartz]

Yeah yeah

[strong forum]

this is with 5 stacks of BFI vs dummy

[mellow quartz]

Still the higher it gets the relative damage taken from physical gets progressively smaller.

[strong forum]

yeah

im convinced block is nerfed from beta

[mellow quartz]

So IP won’t be eaten by physical as much

Which I am thinking gives more magic DR than vers

[strong forum]

depends on dmg profile really

cuz the only dungeon where "magic dmg" is scary is in temple

and there is a full on split

there is hardly mixed dmg

its 1 or the other

[mellow quartz]

If magic damage was not scary then mastery would be even better

[strong forum]

ya im tryna think of scenarios where vers is good

like good

[silk cliff]

wait vers is trash now?

[strong forum]

its not trash

[mellow quartz]

Like last season crit build on bdk as an example you could go so high that your parry made your physical damage intake so small that the larger magic damage taken could more easily get healed up.

[strong forum]

but people severely overstate the importance of it

[left cave]

is that good on lariot for prot war?

[mellow quartz]

Thinking same kinda applies here with IP

[strong forum]

ya ik alyrion i was part of the conversation when it got created

or well, first made public

[mellow quartz]

I was running it before that already and even swapped NE to get 2% more dodge to get into 80% avoidance range 🙂

[strong forum]

i mean those are gems alright

[hard timber]

I think u just wanna go 3x full haste

[silk cliff]

Rasz nerfs live

[left cave]

I see some prot going 2x vers and haste, but im not doing high keys yet

[strong forum]

those are mine

[lunar delta]

Eye in the storm or glacial fury for m+

[strong forum]

glacial fury

[lunar delta]

Bet ty

[strong forum]

eye of storm is a bit more defensive and better in aoe

[left cave]

your really helpful! what kinda keys do u do with those gems?

[strong forum]

but glacial fury is consistently good

[silk cliff]

isnt that raiding gems?

[strong forum]

17-18s havent really pushed anything

[left cave]

Why the crit tho?

[strong forum]

cuz its good

[mellow quartz]

Ref the mastery discussion I guess it also depend on how much you gain per percentage point vs other

[left cave]

hmm

[hard timber]

Is crit really that good

[strong forum]

always was

[left cave]

are ur stats haste-vers-crit?

[silk cliff]

tldr all stats good

[left cave]

most to least

[strong forum]

no

[left cave]

equal mastery? huh

seems alot of gear has it tho

[mellow quartz]

Mastery % is high base

[craggy pilot]

Some of the tank hits in dungs on tyrannical are chunking me real hard, and im at 4-5%... But feel it might be more with proper def stance usage 🤔

[strong forum]

i have 3250 crit 3250 haste 1100 mastery 1240 vers

[left cave]

interesting

wowhead was liek haste/vers/crit

if eel liek im statting wrong

[strong forum]

dont worry much about stats

they dont matter

[left cave]

hmm

[mellow quartz]

Which ones and which key?

[hard timber]

Meanwhile I am struggling to get into 15 keys or time them.
I am not dying at all but people are. This is hell to pug...
I am 394 do I should have no issues.

[strong forum]

they liiterally dont matter

[silk cliff]

just get haste cus it feels nice

[strong forum]

just follow the prio of ilvl > haste > crit = vers

and live your life

shit don matter

[mellow quartz]

Raid dps?

[craggy pilot]

Hyrja frontal, 1st and 2nd boss azure vault, bird boss academy, just to name a few

[left cave]

wtf lmao

[brisk gust]

@hard timber Higher keys literally only depends on CC/Interuppts and ofc mechanics

[mellow quartz]

Use SR on the azure vault bosses

[left cave]

SR?

[mellow quartz]

Spell reflect

[uneven mason]

Ohboy

[craggy pilot]

I did ofc 😂

[left cave]

ohh

[craggy pilot]

Don't think 2nd boss frontal is reflectable

[hard timber]

I mean I dont die and do them. What people in pug groups do.. I sadly cannot control. It is just coinflipping heh

[craggy pilot]

Still chunked 50% HP through SR

[mellow quartz]

How do they chunk you? First boss it completely negates the hit.

[hard timber]

But I keep trying. At least I managed to get 2k score already. Thats something

[craggy pilot]

Ye first boss i know

[mellow quartz]

2nd is just DR

[craggy pilot]

Hyrja also takes over 50% of my hp, even with SR and def stance

[strong forum]

keys are rough rn cuz of god awful affixes

so dont read much into it

[craggy pilot]

In a 16

[hard timber]

I feel like is hard to get into 15+ keys lmao

[craggy pilot]

Do ur own +15

[strong forum]

if you dont have top tier gamers

some keys are literal terror

[mellow quartz]

Only keys I have done this week are from a laptop while traveling for Xmas

[strong forum]

like its way too hard for the average gamer

lowkey

[hard timber]

Getting them is another thing (:

[craggy pilot]

Did +16 halls, and got a +17 rlp 😂 so just went on Christmas break now

[craggy pilot]

Then push it

[uneven mason]

What you mean grevious and bursting isn't fun for the whole family

[silk cliff]

Just a dumb question which i've been thinking about. Do we have any cap on shield block timer?

as a upper roof

[strong forum]

3x duration

[lusty tiger]

Without bolster

[silk cliff]

ah so basically impossible to cap

[strong forum]

18sec without enduring defense, 24sec with enduring defense

[craggy pilot]

Is it just me or 2 next weeks look kinda easy? 🤔

[lusty tiger]

Very ez to cap

[mellow quartz]

Essentially there is no cap

[strong forum]

bolster adds +15sec ontop of the cap when active

[hard timber]

I'm stuck at a 16 nokhud atm

Btw what bosses can u reflect in azure? I know the last boss dragonstrike

[uneven mason]

Incap it all the time

[strong forum]

when you play HR you sit at 20+sec all the time

[mellow quartz]

There is a spreadsheet in the pins

[uneven mason]

This

[hard timber]

Oi! Thanks!

[craggy pilot]

Remember to use SR even if you can't reflect, it's big DR on low CD

Fx on 2nd boss azure vault

[brisk gust]

@uneven mason So SR the dragon Strike in AZ did 40% of ur overall dmg?

or was it something else?

[strong forum]

reflecting dragon strike doesnt do dmg anymore

its a deflect

[craggy pilot]

Spell reflect in azure vault and nokhud are amazing

[silk cliff]

still very very good tho

[craggy pilot]

Last boss nokhud is insane for reflext

[strong forum]

ofc its super good

its borderline unfair

cuz other tanks just get 1shot from the inital hit

[craggy pilot]

Shh

[brisk gust]

So the pinned SR shit is not updated?

[uneven mason]

That's Khan, but the point is sr very good

[craggy pilot]

Paladins can block it

[strong forum]

nah like they need to nerf that ability

[uneven mason]

And not mine

[strong forum]

straight up

monk can still reflect the dmg of it

[craggy pilot]

Dks just heal it

[strong forum]

but like you gotta live it first

[craggy pilot]

😂

Laughs in warrior

[slim dove]

i do love completely invalidating boss mechs with 1 ability

[strong forum]

nah in a 20 warrior gets 1shot

without reflect and major CDs

[brisk gust]

So sr as many Conductive Strike + Thunder strike?

[uneven mason]

The real challenge for monks atm

[silk cliff]

i mean stuff like this gets other parts of the kit nerfed

[craggy pilot]

I love having reflect stuff on bosses, makes playing warr so much more fun

[uneven mason]

Sr has been doing this since uh forever

[craggy pilot]

Mainly Conductive

It does more dam

[slim dove]

its very easy for them to simply make an ability not reflectable.

such as conductive strike.

[uneven mason]

Last boss in upper kara

[brisk gust]

Aight so prio only conductive?

[slim dove]

yeah if you aren't reflecting conductive your trolling

its millions of damage over the course of the fight

[craggy pilot]

You can't SR both anyway, and Conductive is more dam

[brisk gust]

I see, cheers

[craggy pilot]

It's 250k dmg pr cast in a 14

Got like 4 casts during the boss

So that's free 1 mil dmg

[mellow quartz]

Conductive leaves a dot which you also reflect

Last boss in azure used to work exactly the same way with the reflect

[craggy pilot]

Kinda want something to make reflecting correctly worth more

[pastel isle]

Are there any dungeon bosses you should not use shield block for at all?

[craggy pilot]

Like you deflect the dot onto the boss nokhud, but you can't deflect the next thunder hit to do 500% dmg 😂

[uneven mason]

Wat

[craggy pilot]

That would be nutty

[hazy sluice]

Yo first time HoV +13 tonight, any special tips ?

[uneven mason]

No

[hazy sluice]

No dwarf if I need to pick bleeding cleanse

[strong forum]

interrupt the holy radiance

[uneven mason]

Block is the core of what we do

[strong forum]

other than that

[craggy pilot]

2nd boss temple is a candidate, but probably still use SB for SS dmg

[strong forum]

have fun

[mellow quartz]

First boss in Nokhud 🤷‍♂️ edit: never mind he said shield block, not spell reflect

[pastel isle]

OK, thanks

[hazy sluice]

Aight thx

[slim dove]

dont get blasted by the mini boss pre hyrjia

and use beers on last mini bosses to save an obscene amount of time.

[mellow quartz]

If he doesn’t even know the dungeon he is not going to use beers lol

[slim dove]

oh first time hov ever

eh somebody will know it

[left cave]

Are prot war like really above all other tanks?

[uneven mason]

No

[left cave]

no?

[strong forum]

they kinda are

as much as i hate to say it

they kinda are in m+

[mellow quartz]

We suck

[strong forum]

our phys DR is quite phenomenal

[left cave]

you saying kinda like oviously? lol

[uneven mason]

It always is

[strong forum]

ofc

[mellow quartz]

Don’t look at those guys being 410 ilvl or anything

[uneven mason]

We're just not struggling with sb uptime for the first time ever

[left cave]

lol

[silk cliff]

rasz ded

[left cave]

ive seen warrior as s tier tank, my issue is it feels like the utility is lacking lol

[silk cliff]

lol first p3 pull after nerf

[ebon geyser]

echo wf

[timid coyote]

I literally tuned in to see what was going on

And they kill it that pull

[uneven mason]

But to answer the question, warriors are strong and will get nerfed into the dirt because the bdk crowd cries until they're meta every time

[silk cliff]

that was a massive nerf tbh

[rotund sluice]

kind of a disappointing end to the race

[silk cliff]

Liquid got fucked by timezone

croggers

[mellow quartz]

Bdk has not been close to m+ meta for most of bfa and SL until s3 and s4. Not sure what you mean.

[last crest]

guys if i wanna sim my dungeon output, is Dslice a thing for us ? or do i just sim 5 targets

[mellow quartz]

5 target

1 target

[strong forum]

1t 3min + lust
5t 1.5min no lust
10t 1.5min no lust

[mellow quartz]

Mix it up

[strong forum]

then draw a conclusion from that

[left cave]

i hope wars dont get nerfed anymore lol

[craggy pilot]

Lol what did they nerf the boss just before liquid woke up? 🤔

[strong forum]

like for now it does seem like pwar is decently stronger

BUT

[tropic tangle]

yeah, kind of a silly end. honestly think Liquid got the shaft with all the nerf timings.

[strong forum]

we wont know for sure

until everybody is fully kitted out

and people reach their peaks

pwar is easy

pwar is solid

[mellow quartz]

It’s always the same thing.

[strong forum]

therefor its perceived meta

[left cave]

dont have to worry about death striking last second x.x

i lvoed DK in s4

loved

[strong forum]

but my take is, pally will be top tier tank cuz of their offhealing and utility capabilities

[mellow quartz]

If you go first in RWf you get stuck on many things that later get changed 🤷‍♂️

[ebon geyser]

scripe with big brain strats

[left cave]

warrior is just the brick wall running into things adn cant save members lol

https://tenor.com/view/tuga-numeiro-gif-18302117

[tropic tangle]

Very true, but man, it's kind of hilarious how bad the tuning was.

[left cave]

but so strong

[craggy pilot]

How is rwf such a big event, and still so horrible 😂

[strong forum]

yeah especially this week i hate how i cant help my group on bosses

cuz its not unified nielsen

if it was 1 mega stream

1 mega venue

it would be much better

[left cave]

prot war defintiely easier than bdk tho yeah

[strong forum]

but since it 3 different camps

[craggy pilot]

If they just do unified raid release 🤷

[fast knot]

Pwar is just more forgiving

[strong forum]

its very secluded

[vocal nimbus]

what buff are you taking in algethar academy guys?

[strong forum]

haste

[craggy pilot]

Just release raid at the same time

[mellow quartz]

They don’t care and it fucks with timezones

[uneven mason]

Total 180 from how it generally is

[tropic tangle]

This is the only real solution.

[craggy pilot]

Who cares about timezones, only rwf are playing insta raid anyway

[uneven mason]

Imagine if they did rwf like a MDI rvent

[mellow quartz]

If your reset is 8pm your time you won’t find that fun

[ebon geyser]

NA just need to git gud

[craggy pilot]

Then that's just part of it for your org, you can just not participate

[hard timber]

The spell block spreadsheet is amazing.

[craggy pilot]

Let them roll a coin or some shit about when the reset will be 😂

[mellow quartz]

I meant for regular people

[fast knot]

I don't get the emotional frenzy for us vs eu

[silent anchor]

Spell block isnt a guarantee for stopping the dmg on hyjra or whatever in halls

[uneven mason]

To be fair I think half of liquids team was eu

[silent anchor]

is it?

[craggy pilot]

How many people go into raid instant at the reset?

[rotund sluice]

it might have been better if they had scheduled the nerf a day or 2 in advance so that all guilds in the race could have a chance to make themselves available after the change

[craggy pilot]

Only pugs i guess?

[fast knot]

Then you watch m+ and splits for two days

[mellow quartz]

If you have to set 1 global time for reset and raid release then some time zone will be fucked with reset and maintenance in the middle of regular people’s raid nights.

[uneven mason]

Or just don't watch any

[last crest]

is the bone really better than trample/blazebinder? O.o

[fast knot]

I have watched like 20 mins of Raz just to see the fight 🤷‍♂️

[mellow quartz]

What was the boss nerf even?

[uneven mason]

I'm not even raiding this season probably

[strong forum]

apparently 5% hp nerf

[mellow quartz]

And then they instantly kill it

[strong forum]

yea

they went from 8% wipe to kill

in like 1 pull

[mellow quartz]

Pretty huge with a 5% nerf when they were at 10% already

[uneven mason]

Seems suspicious

[mellow quartz]

Oh thank you for removing the last part 🙂

[olive steeple]

Where is this

[mellow quartz]

Preach going ‘where did that come from’. Well from the hp nerf obviously lol

[cursive owl]

What is best weapon to craft with my spark?>

[mellow quartz]

A big one

[cursive owl]

X)

[silk cliff]

-Slightly adjusted the timing of events at the start of phase 3.
-Reduced the rate at which motes of Storm-Energy are spawned.
-Slowed the rate that the Raging Storm closes in.

no hp nerf

[strong forum]

ah

ic

[mellow quartz]

Slowing the rate of the storm seems huge for p3 though depending on how much.

That was literally the sticking point

[glacial sky]

Sucks that it happened on a nerf but the better team still won. Echos best pulls were so much cleaner than liquids

[strong forum]

such is life

[silk cliff]

noticeable diff for sure

[fast knot]

Now they can go home and actually spend time with family and shit

[silk cliff]

yeah nah they're WF raiders

[ebon geyser]

boss > family

[slim dove]

is heroic raz really any harder from a tank perspective?

did normal and it was a snoozefest

[shut summit]

no

[south zealot]

ive seen tanks get oneshot but idk if thats messed up tank swaps or not

[silver ember]

Is prot warr threat lower than other tanks? Im often losing threat at the beginning of new pull trying to grp mobs

[limpid anchor]

Then your dps sucks

[hard timber]

In the pins

[south zealot]

no might be an ilvl issue

[heavy glen]

So I learned the spell reflect trick on first boss in RLP but struggled to kill the boss at all in a 12. Are there any other tips for that boss and for RLP in general to make it easier?

[limpid anchor]

Get a better group I guess

What’s the spell reflect trick? Reflecting the welps?

[quartz kettle]

is there a way to load these mdt routes into a browser? i want to have the route on my other monitor

[mellow quartz]

Screen shot and mspainte

[mellow quartz]

You struggle or your group struggles?

[lusty tiger]

r u still playing ppal

);

[untold vessel]

How much haste do we need for m+ ?

[lusty tiger]

as much as possible without giving up strength

[strong forum]

all of it

[mellow quartz]

|———————|

[untold vessel]

Won’t there be a point haste is at dr and we want vers to survive ?

[mellow quartz]

Vers to survive is a myth

All stats have defensive value

[untold vessel]

Ic

[oblique garnet]

Ofc

[untold vessel]

Is the ruby whelp trinket from rlp good for tanking

Seems underwhelming

[lusty tiger]

it is not good for anything

mayb vendor?

or +Str from a slands trinket

[sick sentinel]

i have extremely limited complaints about DF so far

[oblique garnet]

Its decent other than spider

but spider is not even that bad

With gear

[strong forum]

its giga meh

[rotund sluice]

is the world rare drop trinket (primal ritual shell) good for prot? I assume mastery proc?

[untold vessel]

Which tanking trinket is good for us from m+?

[limpid kite]

I just looted the trinket from raidfinder and try a key with it. It felt turbo bad dmg and healing wise l, maybe I use it wrong(used on cd)

[jagged pier]

No and its fire if u have it

[strong forum]

none

both of them are super underwhelming

[wary heath]

im using heroic decoration of flame, it is strictly OKAY

[quartz kettle]

thats what I have been doing but some duingeons have different floors

or the map is massive and hard to see without zooming in like NO

[inland mesa]

I use flame in dungeons to help with big pulls, I'm reaching a ceiling where healers can't handle tyran bosses and can't go higher. 😕

"It's a gear issue" for 17s when we are at 397 to 400. 😕

[mellow quartz]

Just bad players more likely

[inland mesa]

I just got scale I might pump it's ilvl to be over my 408 all totem to use it

It is, stands on other side of room during whelp boss, wonders why whelp eat their face while we are all at boss for shield

Teaching healers keys in 17 and 18s is clearly the perfect time D:

[vocal nimbus]

dungeon slice sim from raidbots can be trusted?

[inland mesa]

Believe health nerf on raz was old. It's just bigger delay at start of p3 to just pump, then less storms to soak and the creeping storm on the outside comes in slower giving more time before soft enrage

[mellow quartz]

Nah

[sick sentinel]

im 380 ilvl myself

382 as fury

[strong forum]

im thinking

since the aoe apl is somewhat close to reality

wouldnt dungeon slice be kinda usable?

[prisma echo]

My fellow Protection experienced m+ tanks Please tell me why our pinned talents avoid barbaric training. I get why you want avoid it in 2 or 4 set scenario but isnt it too much of dps decrease?

If you dont have set ofc

[strong forum]

barbaric training is not a big dps increase

youll rage starve yourself when you play it

and thus be squishier

especially on single target

[prisma echo]

I play it now and i dont feel i have problem but maybe i need check that

And see if it is true 🙂

Or im just used to

[lofty widget]

Isnt it 50% rage cost increase and 25% dmg increase? So less dmg per rage than without the talent

And less ss resets too

[strong forum]

yes it makes the spell wildly less efficient

mage tower is not yet back up

because its not tuned around new talent trees

[proud dock]

anyone else notice dragon dps randomly pulling threat off?

[strong forum]

ive only once lost threat on 1 target

to a WW monk

[sick sentinel]

i notice struggling dying healers all this past 2 weeks

even more so this week now,

just, poof, dead

[strong forum]

yes this week is SUPER hard for healers

[proud dock]

the only time i ever lose threat is when a dragon dps is on my team

[slim dove]

these first 2 weeks really were the worst

next week is a breeze

[sick sentinel]

alot of the really good players that get KSM may never play again until s2

[mellow quartz]

KSM is not a measure of good players.

[oblique wharf]

KSM reward is kinda yikes

Not even a dragon skin

[sick sentinel]

i mean, you cant use flying mou nts in any dungeon minus nokhud

[slim dove]

? the ksm mount is useless in the expansion

[sick sentinel]

i'd rather have a nice ground mount high rez for when im always limited to ground mounting say in dungeon

[strong forum]

you get it from dungeons and its for dungeons

pretty simple if you ask me

[oblique wharf]

Yet gladiator mount is from arenas

And it’s skin for a blue dragon

[strong forum]

glad mount is also an actual reward

[oblique wharf]

If we follow the logic u get it from dungeon so u use it in dungeon

[strong forum]

which makes me annoyed that rasza mount is 100% drop rate lol

like whats the point

[oblique wharf]

Then it applies to arenas too

[strong forum]

if a mount is 100% drop rate from all difficulties

you cant compare a mount you get for doing your weekly no leavers

to a glad mount

[oblique wharf]

It’s from all difficulties?

[strong forum]

yes

[oblique wharf]

What a joke

[strong forum]

rasza drops from all difficulties

100%

1 per 10 man

[oblique wharf]

What is actual reward for 2500 rio?

[strong forum]

a title

like always

[sick sentinel]

is it 2k or 3k io for the mount this time

[inland mesa]

2k got it last night

[oblique wharf]

2k is mount

[strong forum]

2k is KSM mount

2.4k is KSH title

[inland mesa]

Raid meta mount is a ground mount too, did wf in that cuz we sweaty

[strong forum]

idk

probably thundering hero

[slim dove]

The Thundering is like

1500 io

[dusk moth]

Raz mount is def not 100%

[strong forum]

ah right

its just "thundering"

[dusk moth]

we didn’t have a single one drop in our raid this week

[strong forum]

okay then its super high drop rate

but not 100%

but its not at all rare

[inland mesa]

We got 2 on heroic last night, and I think 1 each normal kill

[dusk moth]

I’d agree it’s super high drop rate but not guarantee

[oblique wharf]

Idk what’s this gleaming incarnate stuff

Oh that is actually nice for some1 who’s not gonna touch mythic raiding anymore

[inland mesa]

2500 is what, 19s and 20s?

[tropic tangle]

yeah, unlocks cosmetics for certain pieces

[strong forum]

ah rightz

i completely forgot about that lol

you get the animation particles

[oblique wharf]

‘Only’ around 400 rio more and it’s mine

[prisma echo]

@strong forum and last question i want to ask 🙂 I also see in pinned messages that recomended M+ build from Thunderlord too Battering Ram? Wont it affect too much of Shout uptime? Did you test both and have some thoughts?

[strong forum]

battering ram is more rage and more dmg

especially in low target situations

if you play TL you desync CDs from demo shout

effectively losing some dmg there, you lose shout uptime but that doesnt matter

[prisma echo]

Stupid questions: with what CDs shout i line up shout?

[strong forum]

all of em

ravager -> shout -> roar -> shield charge

in that order

every 1.5min

[oblique wharf]

I removed thunderlord recently and it feels much better

[strong forum]

and ever 45sec you have demo -> shieldcharge

without fail

[prisma echo]

Ok guys thanks for tweaks ill test it 🙂

[strong forum]

just because the synergy exists

doesnt mean you have to use it

between Unstoppable force, thunderlord and booming voice*

[oblique wharf]

I like to run battle scarred veteran

Cuz i feel safer a bit

[sick sentinel]

its really one of those good on paper, bad in practice things, or meh at best

[strong forum]

its not bad

but i dont see any real value in it

when battering ram nets you so much more all the time

[sick sentinel]

id rather drop the talent and take something else personally

[strong forum]

with or without thunderlord youll still get 2 demo shouts per pack

[craggy pilot]

Battering ram seems so good while people dont know what to interrupt, so can't really do 2-3 packs yet

[sick sentinel]

talking about thunderlord to be clear

[craggy pilot]

Kinda sad the ravager talents aren't really worth anything 🙃

[spice orbit]

opinion? Don't wanna sim, too lazy 😐

[sick sentinel]

its weapon ilvl, so yes

[swift bay]

Sorry for asking guys, do we have any way to properly handle the healing absorb strike from 3rd boss of Jade Serpent?(maybe some key talent) because today a monk was struggling super hard to remove it in a 16

[sick sentinel]

the more dps number = you hit harder

[spice orbit]

thought maybe stats might be better tho...

[sick sentinel]

you always equip ilvl shield / weapon regardless of stats

[spice orbit]

kk

o7 thanks chief

[slim dove]

i love doing top overall damage and getting blamed for missing 3 chest by 5 seconds

[spice orbit]

you can defo outdps your dps players because you play around your own damage

[slim dove]

impending victory helps a bunch

[oblique wharf]

Last stand, healing pot, wall, def stance, imp victory

[slim dove]

except i play around their CDs with omnicd

its not my fault the DH held meta until the sun went blackhole.

[sick sentinel]

yeah, i take rank 3 healing potions to every dungeon i go to

[oblique wharf]

Last stand should negate one application of the debuff

[sick sentinel]

heals for 128k or somethin

[oblique wharf]

Pot + imp victory is huge heal

[strong forum]

its always the tank's fault

[swift bay]

ok the basics then, nothing in particular

[slim dove]

i dont even have whetstone or boon and i top every key i pug, help me nom

get me out of this abyss

[sick sentinel]

i wish they had attached inedllible victory to IV, but whatever (whenever you did IV it would, i forget if this is replace or additive, but it did a heal over time, like, it was like, 400% over X seconds somethin)

[strong forum]

get more tanks