Sitting at 2p cause i was lucky, but dont really feel it that impactful yet
#protection
hard timber
warm plinth
It does not change anything but it is a good survivability bonus.
lucid dew
Is the flamethrower tinker worth using ?
fresh merlin
how do tanks clear frost on council
warm plinth
Is the flamethrower tinker worth using ?
not really
fresh merlin
i usually just take the freeze lmao
lucid dew
I crafted both engi items early and I kinda regret lol
I haven’t found much value in flame either
worldly kiln
Anyone have any tips for tanking the platforms in H Dathea? Is there any way to group the ads
patent gorge
People gotta kick or grip.
worldly kiln
ok so it's just kick coordination
was wondering if the Disrupting should talent might work
1.5m cooldown so basically useless everywhere except maybe here but haven't tried it yet
14yrd interupt
pallid quiver
If they're all casting at the same time, it is an aoe kick, so
wary heath
I use disrupting shot and a DK grip
That's all you need
Or ask dps to press Interrupt
It's not soley your job
sly shadow
so i have the BIS weapon and shield for m+ right now. is there any reason to not spend valor on upgrading those?
errant leaf
What’s our best option for on use trinket ? Only from m+
slim dove
What’s our best option for on use trinket ? Only from m+
blazebinder pumps when used properly.
warm plinth
so i have the BIS weapon and shield for m+ right now. is there any reason to not...
your call but my personal opinion is that it depends on what rank they are
errant leaf
blazebinder pumps when used properly.
Haste one from rlp ?
sly shadow
your call but my personal opinion is that it depends on what rank they are
Weapon is 1/13, shield is 3/13
slim dove
Haste one from rlp ?
yea
warm plinth
I would not even consider spending that much valor on anything
sly shadow
I would not even consider spending that much valor on anything
gotcha. ill just hold it then. thanks for the advice
fading tide
How is tanking this week compared to last week? Have yet to do a m+
nimble laurel
Pretty easy. There are a few boss mechanics that are tank killers that you need to look out for.
glacial skiff
With battle-scarred veteran does it work like will of the necropolis meaning if an attack would take you from 100%-10% does the damage from 30-10% get reduced by 80%?
warm plinth
glacial skiff
So it doesn’t actually affect a big hit until the hit after being below 30%
cerulean tusk
Get 15 stacks of juggernaut, do big damage - feels good. Checks logs. 94450 crits 
Shield slam did 95500 crits 
cerulean tusk
That reminds me to respec from exebuild 
fading tide
Cool already replaced both my crafted items. Feel stupid making them now
nova rover
Whats a good min level to start mythics atm?
mighty valley
any
nova rover
they simple enough to come out of quests and go?
mighty valley
you can buy some very cheap crafted gear off the AH or get some world event gear and be more than good enough for +2
mighty valley
whether pugs will accept you might be a different story
mighty valley
what missive do i put onto my lariat?
i've been doing haste/crit, wouldn't fault you for haste/vers
or anything really
sick sentinel
Note that it has to do with the nature of the gem
Like air gem will give haste
Etc
mighty valley
well, the missive is just the baked-in stats
sick sentinel
Whats a good min level to start mythics atm?
345+
atomic ice
hey when i start a pull in keys when am i supposed to press demo shout? is it before ravager and thunderous roar?
sick sentinel
i wouldn't sign up to a pug key if i was 342 ilvl unless the key was below a 5
atomic ice
assuming it is bc the dmg amp
sick sentinel
you'd basically be 3/4th place (at 340 ish ilvl) all the time unless you had a good strategy, and you'd have so little hp, you'd die to a cleave, and at that point you'd be a hinderance more than a help, you can be carry though mythics though sure
pallid quiver
Generally immediately after Ravager, before Thunderous Roar; iirc Ravager lasts long enough to where you can't even fit the entire thing in demo shout's duration, and you want Roar's dot in as much of Demo Shout as possible, as that's where its actual damage comes from (most of roar's damage is the bleed rather than the initial hit)
Tossing Rav before Demo Shout also lets you get more aggro, as well, since Demo Shout's pretty much an empty GCD for aggro generation, so monke DPS are liable to murder themselves depending on what you're pulling and how you're pulling
atomic ice
okay cool so an opener shoudl look something like:
charge/avatar>shield charge>ravager>demo shout>thunderous roar?
mighty valley
you can pre-toss ravager before charge
mighty valley
and can also hold shield charge til you have ava/demo up
if your dps are bursting too hard you can do a thunderclap before demo
since the demo cast doesn't do real threat
sick sentinel
ppl having rough time on keys out there this week
im jus doing nomer pfp, stayin cozy wrapped in blanket
why i want to stress my self out with grevious
one group was saying, they tried 5 keys today, and only even passed 1 key, the rest fell apart
slim dove
its a big healer check + dps check on alot of bosses.
fair stump
do we wanna put emerlad gem or the diamond gem in our stuff?
sick sentinel
the healer of the group apparently stands in stuff, and then tries to run after the players to negate the +10 affix, im assuming they want to keep it for buff, he wants to get it off him cuz it deals damage
he says they are running away from him with the buff and well, yeah, i get it, your gunna remove the 30% dps buff lol
sand pebble
Cant trust pugs with the affix
So mamy times we wiped due to not wanting to remove debuff
fierce phoenix
do we swap between stances frequently?
sand pebble
do we swap between stances frequently?
Not really, your either in battle stance or def stance when things hurt
cerulean tusk
If you can survive the hit, you can tank - warr can tank anything if you go deff build. 340, ez 10-15 range, all you got to do is believe in defstance 
fierce phoenix
got it so if I wanted to be ultra careful I could dstance all the time and it would just sacrifice dmg
which obviously is bad, but would accomplish the job of "not dying"
sand pebble
Yes but thats wastrd damage and wasted leech
sick sentinel
Cant trust pugs with the affix
with intervene, they have no choice, you are the intervention
cerulean tusk
bigbrain
sand pebble
Dps die way earlier than you needing def stance imo
Atleast upto +13 anyway - havent timed any due to bad dps
sick sentinel
if you are bstance you killed it before it killed your dps so you don't need to think about dstance
cerulean tusk
We talking about comfortablity more than anything - being snug in the turtle shell allows you to feel safer pulling big. So you do
When you feel immortal, as you should, ya drop the shell - go ninjaturtle
sand pebble
Go battle until you cannot survive or healer is needing to directly heal you imo
shut flare
on single target hould we still use claps on cooldown?
cerulean tusk
clap clap
sick sentinel
would depend how hard you can line shit or not, i would use dstance when i am trying to hard LOS a pack to a corner for a gorefiend grapsh like effect
and then swap back to bstance when i can freely attack the entire thing i just pulled
shut flare
cause in raidbots typical patchwerk single target fight. it does not cast thunder clap as much
but some people say clasp o cooldown
what is the truth
wowhead also said thunder clap on cd. but raidbots sim says otherwise
sand pebble
Tc to apply rend, tc for rage gen - most rotation is revenge with tier and ss resets
sick sentinel
booty clap, mash booty clap
shut flare
Tc to apply rend, tc for rage gen - most rotation is revenge with tier and ss re...
yes i know
but in raidbots 5 minute fight
it said to only cast thunderclap 23 times
toxic pewter
thinking of race changing, anyone know which racial lines up better with our CDs, orc or troll
shut flare
so thats like a very low uptime on a 5 minutee fight
sand pebble
Work out rend uptime over 5 mins with 23 casts
shut flare
how are we supposed to rage regen with very low thunder clap usage?
warm plinth
cause in raidbots typical patchwerk single target fight. it does not cast thunde...
Can you link a sim showing this?
warm plinth
rotations of what
sick sentinel
you know what a rotation is im assuming, 1 repititon
strong forum
Don't sim quick sim
shut flare
sorry what do i sim then?
sand pebble
94% rend uptime in a sim? Looks broken
shut flare
yes it is weird for me
shut flare
got it thank you will try it
strong forum
I figured out why it sends so few TCs tho
warm plinth
Quick sim is quite fucky as it does very few iterations of Sims
Quick sim does more iterations than top gear by a lot. And it's still doing low TCs
strong forum
Cuz in my APL didn't specify tierset being enabled
warm plinth
I did a top gear sim changing a gem and it only did like 3.3k iterations; his quick sim did 13k iterations
strong forum
So it always tries to reapply 2pc tierbuff
But since the buff can't be applied
It sends more revenges instead of TC
That will fix itself once you do have tierset
But I guess can edited
warm plinth
So it's basically only pressing TC to refresh rend or when there is nothing else to press it seems?
strong forum
Yeah
shut flare
So it's basically only pressing TC to refresh rend or when there is nothing else...
according to wowhead on cd
thats what confuses me now
warm plinth
I'm talking about an error in the sims
shut flare
oh ok
strong forum
Sim is doing that once you do have 2pc/4pc
warm plinth
What Nome was saying is that since you don't have the tier set, it's getting confused and keeps pressing revenge instead of TC because it's trying to proc the tier set.
strong forum
Yeah
warm plinth
But since it can't proc it since you don't have it, it keeps pressing revenge
shut flare
But since it can't proc it since you don't have it, it keeps pressing revenge
once you get tier piece will rotation change? or still tclaps o cd?
warm plinth
this is why it's good to ask questions in here though; get to find stuff like this XD
strong forum
Ya absolutely
sand pebble
So just get tier
smoky haven
should i wait till end of week before turning in [Aiding the Accord: The Isles Call]
warm plinth
What ilevel are you currently?
strong forum
Highest ilvl I've seen from that drop is 392 when I turned it in late last week
Have not heard from anybody getting higher ilvl
cerulean musk
Quick question, I’m at 379 ilevel, more optimised for fury, what level keys should I be targeting?
warm plinth
Then you're probably fine to turn it in whenever I'd imagine. Pretty small chance of getting an upgrade from it
warm plinth
Quick question, I’m at 379 ilevel, more optimised for fury, what level keys shou...
Should be able to do keys in the +10 range probably
Assuming pugs
nimble laurel
Is Liu Flameheart's Jade Serpent Strike avoidable?
cerulean musk
Should be able to do keys in the +10 range probably
Great, thank you
smoky haven
i believe u can reflect the first phase idk bout the jade one tho
warm plinth
Is Liu Flameheart's Jade Serpent Strike avoidable?
Avoidable in the sense of what, like dodge/parry or?
It's basically just something you need a CD for
ivory elbow
is BV fixed?
strong forum
Yeah from what I can tell BrV is fixed
lone eagle
Yeah from what I can tell BrV is fixed
On live or PTR?
strong forum
Rn on live
lone eagle
Oh snap
strong forum
I've played it in a few 17s and it seems to be working
ivory elbow
Yeah from what I can tell BrV is fixed
thanks bro
compact jackal
My co-tank decided I need to eat multiple extra sunds 
unique shale
i have no idea which trinkets are good for full dps or defensive or mix
somebody care to explain
mighty egret
SL trinkets?
compact jackal
decoration = mix, hoof = damage
hov one = damage
WB = damage and HAAAAAAAAAAAASTE
all totem = primal shell but you can't choose basically
unique shale
ok what would be best combo with those
compact jackal
what ilvl is the blazebinder and hov?
unique shale
hov ?
compact jackal
gift of radiance
compact jackal
gift + scale
unique shale
scale form shadowland wtf ?
unique shale
for max single target damage right ?
ruby and decoration for aoe build with defensive
left cave
Should i craft shield or one hand first with my spark? i already have the lariot
i guess shield if i want more armor etc
toxic pewter
anyone have any tips for heroic dathea... grouping the adds on platform seems difficult for me... my co bdk tank has a lot easier time
sort of feel like the dps should be kicking better to help me out... do you guys assign kicks for those adds?
toxic geyser
anyone have any tips for heroic dathea... grouping the adds on platform seems di...
Yeah, talent into the 6s silence on mass taunt
toxic pewter
yes, I did that
toxic pewter
but am I just not standing centered enough
can i hit every mob
that must be it..
fuk
toxic geyser
You can’t hit all
toxic pewter
RIght
toxic geyser
There will be 1-2 mobs out far
toxic pewter
so i hit most of them
toxic geyser
Find the biggest group of them
left cave
Should i craft shield or one hand first with my spark? i already have the lariot
i guess shield if i want more armor etc
toxic geyser
Then run them centre towards the other 2, then kick 1 and dps kick the other
toxic geyser
The layout is usually: 1 2 Bigboy 3 4 5 6 adds
Run into the centre of the densest part, mass silence charge to furthest add and kick
Dps gets the other
The pack stacks up nicely, done
tulip kelp
What's the primal shell buff we're suposed to get?
warm plinth
Should i craft shield or one hand first with my spark? i already have the lariot...
whichever is lower ilevel probably. Basically choosing between more damage or more block at that point
warm plinth
What's the primal shell buff we're suposed to get?
Fire
silver jungle
Sorry to slide in
IS there are weakaura to help with spell reflectable spells?
toxic geyser
Yes but it was WIP last I saw
silver jungle
ty so much 🙂
warm plinth
I haven't used it so I don't know how good it is
silver jungle
we gonna learn tonight
toxic geyser
It’s very good but you’ll need to go through and re enable all the relevant auras
Also add a sound effect in the conditions as the author appears to have been using a custom sound so nothing plays
silver jungle
Relevant auras meaning each spell thats applicable?
Cool I'll find something that works for a chime
toxic geyser
Relevant auras meaning each spell thats applicable?
Cool I'll find something tha...
It was a WIP so the author disabled all the individual auras in the group
Just go through all of them and toggle them off of ‘load conditions - never’
There’s another group in there called ‘don’t load’ or something, obviously don’t touch that one lol
silver jungle
haha kk sounds good thanks mate!
amber siren
Not strictly prot related but any idea what applies this debuff? https://www.wowhead.com/spell=374037/overwhelming-rage people in raid are taking damage from it but I don’t see anything from trinkets or whatever
left cave
whichever is lower ilevel probably. Basically choosing between more damage or m...
Okay thanks for letting me know! As of next week the 3rd spark will be here anyway so for prot war, crafted shield and sword are bis regardless?
left cave
I’m far from that lol
slim dove
Not strictly prot related but any idea what applies this debuff? https://www.wow...
phial i believe. or potion. i forget
exotic drift
did they buff academy today? tree boss feels tougher compared to yesterday
warm plinth
No. That would be the biggest fucking meme ever if they did considering that boss is still overtuned.
amber siren
phial i believe. or potion. i forget
Thank you!
exotic drift
did a 9 and 10 yesterday EZ, same group pretty much today and now its wipe fest central on a 6 o_o what r I doing wrong all of a sudden
exotic drift
hmmm probably
wanton shale
If we use dual stat gems, does the Lariat proc the higher of the dual stats?
nimble laurel
each gem type on your gear has an equal chance to proc
the proc is based on the type of gem
fair stump
best embel for my weapon?
wanton shale
ahh ok
nimble laurel
Air gem is haste, earth gem is mastery, fire gem is crit, and frost gem is vers
remote dawn
is the granthys trinket from nokuhd good?
wanton shale
still can't time a damn AV this week, did a 14, 13, 12 and missed timer on all of them lol
warm plinth
If we use dual stat gems, does the Lariat proc the higher of the dual stats?
It procs the lower stat
Exxcept for the main stat gem; that gem has no element so lariat won't proc it.
tulip kelp
Have you guys been using valor yet?
fair stump
im thinking of putting fang adronments on my primal long, is that the best option?
wanton shale
wowhead recommends using haste/vers or vers/haste - do we net more haste if we use the vers/haste from Lariat always proccing haste?
with the vers/haste gem having less static haste but the proc is pretty big?
mortal brook
its like, super comparable. youll get like 100 more of one stat always for a proc of 500 with 20% uptime on the other
so
wanton shale
ahh ok so basically the same and don't worry about it lol
warm plinth
haste/crit :riot:
compact jackal
and now I throw valor at it, right?
mortal brook
neat
warm plinth
Nice ring friend
wanton shale
does that mean each autoattack hit just does 132 more dmg? or is it like increasing weapon dmg by 132 so ends up being a lot?
warm plinth
1750 valor though 😱
compact jackal
yeah, but 1750 for the ring WITH a socket?
warm plinth
I was told that they fixed it in DF to actually be auto attack damage now
But it doesn't lose any stat budget for the effect, and it's great stats, so it's still our best ring
wanton shale
then 132 is pretty tiny then right? like 0.0X% dps gain?
warm plinth
Just free damage
compact jackal
wanton shale
still sweet though cuz it's free and the socket
warm plinth
Looking at a random AA log, it's like ~140k damage over the course of a dungeon at 415 ilevel
wanton shale
starting 1/23 we can convert our M+ pieces to tier and it keeps the original primary stats and ilvl?
wanton shale
yea good secondaries and socket + free bonus still sweet
warm plinth
starting 1/23 we can convert our M+ pieces to tier and it keeps the original pri...
Yes, but no. Yes we can convert items on 1/23 to tier. They will not keep the original stats, but they will maintain ilevel and upgrade path (e.g. if you have an M+ item that is rank 6/13, it will remain rank 6/13 and be upgradeable with valor).
The item literally changes into the respective tier piece, so it will have that item's stats.
stone horizon
I'm having trouble with taunting all those adds on tree boss, they just insta kill a dps
Any tips?
Should I just keep ravager and throw at them?
I mean, holding off some cds
grizzled forge
we still go lariat for craft? ive seen alot of classes coming out now sayin there are better necks
for their class
wanton shale
ahh that's kind of liberating in a way so we can just focus on ilvl and not care about secondary stats if we plan on converting to tier anyways
it keeps the tertiary stats and socket if we had it on the M+ piece too?
warm plinth
There were probably always better necks. But the effect is worth ilevel obviously, so it depends on the level of the content you do since not everyone has access to say, a mythic raid necklace
Yes
full violet
I'm having trouble with taunting all those adds on tree boss, they just insta ki...
Im pretty sure dps dont die from getting meleed, they die from the floor aoe.
warm plinth
But yeah there's an unavoidable burst of damage when the adds are activated. I would check logs/details death chart
and see what they're actually dying from
stone horizon
I see, I was thinking in holding some cooldowns like ravager and using before adds spawn
But i dunno if that will work
full violet
Yea do that
warm plinth
If they are indeed dying to melees, that would be a good thing to do
But if they're dying to burst forth, that's on them and/or the healer depending
full violet
Do it anyway since its nice value
warm plinth
Them for not using defensives and/or the healer for not having people topped
You can also rally one of the insta-spawn sets of adds to make it a bit easier to manage
wanton shale
they should prolly wait 2 secs for tank to AE before they blow their load too though lol
full violet
on my rogue
Tricks 🙂
wanton shale
if they're trigger happy and dying to melee, not like you can race them to see who hits the button first
compact jackal
warm plinth
yuge
full violet
Okok pardon
full violet
I didnt kill tree above 15 this week tho, countless tries
warm plinth
not sure which to replace tbh
Replace blaze for more damage or cobalt ring for more survival I guess
since cobalt loses some stats for the proc
storm merlin
I'd replace blaze
fair stump
is there a differnce between primal longsword or the axe version obsidion slice ?
warm plinth
is there a differnce between primal longsword or the axe version obsidion slice ...
No
warm plinth
it says cobalt is a 0.1% loss
😱
normal halo
not sure which to replace tbh
keep cobalt ring its huge
warm plinth
rip cobalt
warm plinth
sounds like he simmed it though and it said cobalt was a loss compared to the other 2
full violet
Well its 500 stat budget, could be an actual loss if u ask me, and sims never lie
wary heath
cobalt has low secondary stats
oblique drift
How valuable is avoidance on gear?
warm plinth
It is valuable enough that if you have two otherwise identical pieces, you take the one with avoidance
oblique drift
very insightful lol
compact jackal
warm plinth
It's not worth changing stats or dropping ilevel for in 99.99% of cases. The only people who might do that are people doing bleeding edge keys.
compact jackal
I am speed.
warm plinth
just because of the level of content they're doing
compact jackal
It's not worth changing stats or dropping ilevel for in 99.99% of cases. The on...
I can think of one specific case
compact jackal
it's a dps loss for me to replace the shoulders with my 402 ones
I MUST BECOME SPEED, GHASH
oblique drift
Well, my circumstance is that I have a Cape of Entanglement with avoidance, and a Potion-Stained Cloak without any augments. Wowhead says Potion-Stained Cloak is BIS for dungeon gear (I don't really raid so basically my bis), and so I'm wondering which I should upgrade.
They are both identical ilvl.
warm plinth
Wowhead prioritizes haste/vers gear I believe. You're fine to do the cape of entanglement
c/h is also good
oblique drift
Vers seems generally more useful but crit still seems solid enough
warm plinth
Crit is better for damage and still a good defensive stat
compact jackal
this is too much mastery.
warm plinth
In any case, the defensive difference between those two stats on a cloak of all things is virtually insignificant
oblique drift
I feel like crit's defensives don't matter that much since it feels like most dangerous sources of damage are magic.
warm plinth
Ok but how much vers is even on a cloak
full violet
this is too much mastery.
I have 261 mastery and get PTSD from it
compact jackal
i love killing all of normal and 4/8 heroic and losing every roll
oh yeah, I lost another tier token on kurog h 🙂
warm plinth
It's 410 vers to get even 1% of DR from it
slim dove
i love losing grieftorch to a fury i outdpsed 
oblique drift
227 at the ilvl I have it on
warm plinth
So that's like, .5something% DR
oblique drift
Yeah thereabouts
warm plinth
Which is basically nothing
If you took a 200k hit, that would decrease it by a whole 1,000 damage
😱
oblique drift
What actually counts as an aoe for the purposes of avoidance, I wonder
warm plinth
Generally speaking, anything that can or does damage multiple targets.
oblique drift
Would that include raid-wide damage?
warm plinth
e.g. a cleave-type ability will still be reduced by avoidance, even if it only hits you.
Yes
full violet
I feel like crit's defensives don't matter that much since it feels like most da...
Magic dmg in tjs goes Like
oblique drift
Yeah avoidance seems pretty decent then
full violet
Belt
slim dove
frostfire? ew
full violet
For me atleast
slim dove
implying ill ever win the roll for eranog ring lul
mortal brook
good combo'd with raid rings cuz its a fire damage enabler
oblique drift
ah yeah not for me then
full violet
I mean wrist gonna give me some vers, yeah. Prolly better choice. Im not yet 100% set on it
oblique drift
Are any of the trinkets they buffed decent?
I've not gotten a single trinket since the season began and it is driving me crazy
full violet
Both bis in ruby i think still (for non raiders)
oblique drift
that is correct so far as I know
slender scaffold
Anybody know if Magazine of Healing Darts works from leech / IP? I assume not, but most of these embellishments look pretty crap.
full violet
Id suggest not using those embellishments and "saving" them for better pieces Like lariat/belt/wrists
But Theres a 99% Chance im wrong
warm plinth
Anybody know if Magazine of Healing Darts works from leech / IP? I assume not, b...
See the pins for the good embellishment options. That is not one of them.
full violet
Alchemist embellishment is free tho, and nice to have, could use that
full violet
Not even, i paid 400g
full violet
Yea
warm plinth
Tichondrius price gouging
onyx pike
how long are you guys holding on to the Cobalt Assembly ring? Im not sure if I should go for the grind now or just let it be.
wary heath
i use the bubble one in raid, does about 15% overall healing
onyx pike
Im only doing m+
so I consider doing it for the dmg ring
ok 8/10 from the top 10 wear the ring, either the shield or the dps. guess i know what i do today.
full violet
Could be due to missing drops for them, but thats Just a guess and they prolly take it for dps
toxic pewter
do you guys think its trolling if I use a toxic phial as tank
mortal brook
if its corrupting rage then yes cuz the downtime lockout is gonna be high as a tank and others will certainly be more damage/stats
warm plinth
Any idea how to deal with Searing Blows from Kokia in Ruby?
Initial hits are blockable. The rest is just a rotate CDs kinda thing. If you're dwarf you can stoneform it off (it's a bleed)
lyric rivet
does anyone else feel like algethar acadamy is ridiculously hard right now?
was able to clear 10s easily first week of M+ but a 11 right now we cant down the tree boss?
silk cliff
was able to clear 10s easily first week of M+ but a 11 right now we cant down th...
Tree boss sucks
lyric rivet
i feel like all the adds shouldnt be getting the huge bonus that the boss gets
i play with a resto druid that parses 99s on all raid fights, and has gotten KSM with me every xpac, yet he cant heal the tree boss in 390 gear right now on a +11
neat harbor
Hmm.. did Blizzard completely remove the old raid frames* profiles system? That let you make distinct profiles that auto-activated by group size/content type?
lyric rivet
i was lowest dps at 48.8k on prot, everyone else was up to 72k
limpid anchor
i was lowest dps at 48.8k on prot, everyone else was up to 72k
Well that’s kinda low
cinder storm
Are you guys using the branch cast to heal bleed?
lyric rivet
yea
cinder storm
Because it sounds like no
warm plinth
i feel like all the adds shouldnt be getting the huge bonus that the boss gets
what do you mean by "the huge bonus that the boss gets"?
compact jackal
I need more.
cinder storm
I think they need to outright remove the aoe pull on rlp to nerf it on first boss
compact jackal
Dude, so I failed a 14 rlp
one shot the last and first boss
second boss
what the actual fuck is that tuning though?
cinder storm
Healer couldn't keep up on a 16 with the pull, it was ticking too hard
compact jackal
unironically 160k/s
deft hazel
remote dawn
is the granthys trinket from nokhud good?
warm plinth
adds get the bonus health with tyrannical
They do not get bonus health. In fact, because of the hotfix, the big adds actually have 40% less HP than they did on the same key level as last week. And the lashers don't get bonus health either.
Both types of adds do get the tyrannical damage bonus though.
crystal canopy
Is it ok to save valor for reset or will it be wasted ?
warm plinth
Tyrannical was changed at some point in SL to not give minions the health bonus (which is inconsistent since e.g. Mueh'zala totems got it still even after the change). I verified via logs that this was the case for those particular adds.
warm plinth
Is it ok to save valor for reset or will it be wasted ?
Valor doesn't reset until the end of the season.
crystal canopy
Ok ty.
daring jolt
Hello! For M+ push, long term, are wrists the best option besides neck?
onyx marsh
Question gentleman, I have simmed it, and compared other warriors on raiderio for the weapon choice. Obsidian seared slicer and the primal molten longsword, slicer has more top end. They sim the exact same according to what I did, is there a reason people choose the sword ? is it for looks or cheaper mats?
mortal brook
Cuz weapon dps averages out
And same ilvl stuff has same weapon dps
Which is converted to attack power to our abilities
Choose the prettier mog yep
shy sluice
Crafting orders are only realm wide?
mortal brook
Yeah
shy sluice
That explains why i couldn't get a neck crafted for the past 5 days, might as well level jc myself
loud kernel
Hey guys,
Might be slightly off-topic, if so, I'm sorry.
I'm looking at different MDT routes and in CoS everyone seems to skip the pack at the first beacon.
Can you disable it, without pulling that pack? 😮
onyx pike
i play with a resto druid that parses 99s on all raid fights, and has gotten KSM...
sounds like dps aren't cleaning their debuffs in the tree's healing field.
onyx pike
That explains why i couldn't get a neck crafted for the past 5 days, might as we...
the neck recipe costs around gold cap, good luck. xD
mortal brook
It can be a beacon you leave up tbh. The reinforcement is an easy cc and one beacon going off prevents the extended dialogue at last boss related to the achievement
onyx pike
Are you guys spending valor already? my buddy told me to pool it all. I couldnt resist to upgrade bis cloak + shield.
I think if the item is bis it doesnt matter in the long run?
loud kernel
It can be a beacon you leave up tbh. The reinforcement is an easy cc and one bea...
Makes sense, cheers
mighty valley
Don't think there's major harm in upgrading some stuff to make these early weeks a little easier
warm plinth
Hey guys,
Might be slightly off-topic, if so, I'm sorry.
I'm looking at diffe...
You can skip the first beacon pack (not the sentry or the mobs on the left of it, but the mobs on the right) if you're very very careful.
In a pug it's not particularly realistic I wouldn't think
mortal brook
I'll max you out
pulsar marsh
heyho guys, quick question and I cant rly find an answer :/ I play Prot in M+ and have to fury in Raid. I wanna spend my valor Points on items I can use for boths specs. Do you think upgrading Rings would be a good idea or rather trinket (i have Blazebinder Hoof) sorry if this question is weird
or maybe Boots? (i have wrist and neck from crafting)
onyx pike
heyho guys, quick question and I cant rly find an answer :/ I play Prot in M+ an...
I'd do trinket
jolly granite
heyho guys, quick question and I cant rly find an answer :/ I play Prot in M+ an...
In your case trinket + items with high stat value are the choice (chest, legs, helm). Ring and neck always lowest priority because the lack mainstat.
jade panther
Good morning gamers, i saved my second spark after crafting lariat last week. I'm really struggling between weapon/ring and legs as my 2nd craft. Legs because they look insanely good, only hesitation is set legs with haste/versa. Weapon because it's the best to go high keys i figure but i kinda want to dodge vault bad luck.
Ring because my current rings are 379 (decent stats) and 389 bad stats while i'm 397. With ring my haste would feel pretty good (am around 22% with 0 buffs/procs).
Sorry for the long post and i hope everyone here is enjoying DF 😉
wary heath
3rd spark comes on tuesday
jade panther
ik, i wanna know whats everyone opinion about the craft this week
wary heath
neck,weapon,shield generally
warm plinth
I would definitely not craft a ring or legs over a weapon
Legs are also not a good embellishment
jade panther
but ring cannot get bad luck from vault, aka 418 ring from craft and 421 ring from chest
like at least next week for me
warm plinth
Are you only getting one vault slot or something?
wary heath
ring is a waste, there's lots of rings available from vault or M+
fill in slots you either can't get, or make sense
jade panther
idk if i'll be able to farm all 3 slots at the same level this week
onyx pike
wait, crafted weapon is our bis for m+?
onyx pike
Weapon because it's the best to go high keys i figure but i kinda want to dodge vault bad luck.
this part confused me
jade panther
i meant, craft the weapon then get a weapon as highest ilv in vault
onyx pike
ooooh
wary heath
wait to open your vault next week i guess? you have to keep in mind, you are saving gear that only goes to 405...unless you are a mythic raider or 17+ keys...then at that point you are already getting that level of gear
so i dont get the saving the sparks thing
warm plinth
Oh, yeah I mean, it's not like sparks are limited in quantity. Craft the weapon and if you get a weapon in vault, good. Just another upgrade
warm plinth
People are being way too precious with the sparks
wary heath
are you a mythic raider / 17 + key pusher ?
jade panther
16+ y
warm plinth
concentrated primal is 16+ so yeah just make whatever is your best upgrade
There will always be more sparks to make other shit
wary heath
so craft a weapon , or whatever slot you need to fill in, but not rings
sparks will become useless very soon
jade panther
like i will have lariat 418tonight and i got like 6 or 7 primal infusions
yeah, figured weapon would be best, thx for the talk boyz 😉
warm plinth
np friend
onyx pike
How do you guys like the alchemy stone? 
warm plinth
It's alright but it's not anything special
onyx pike
I'm afraid to replace it. infinit flask is noice
I flask on wednesday and be stacked for the week. For the versa stone that is. the haste one has a different effect.
I'm wondering if i can spank the dummy to refresh the flask buff
onyx pike
It's alright but it's not anything special
I crafted it because I had the mats, I guess its not worth upgrading to 405 then
warm plinth
Probably not, no
young mango
Embellishments any recommended ones? Im an alchemist btw
onyx pike
bufffood is nice
young mango
Yea but basically just a money safer
onyx pike
oh yea i thought i've read it would increase the stats slightly as well.
Lariat is insane obviously
young mango
No persist makes food like flasks and double the duration
warm plinth
I don't really consider that to be what people are looking for when they ask about embellishments anyway because it doesn't count as one on gear.
onyx pike
the helmet is pretty good too i think, single 2nd stat but double the value
but to this day I dont really know what "Embellishments" are and I'm too afraid to ask
They are limited to 2, right?
azure light
onyx pike
I will go with the neck and the helmet (for now) because I'm still having a 376 helmet
azure light
my feet slot is cursed, should i just craft boots?
floral pewter
my feet slot is cursed, should i just craft boots?
why not get the 385 boots from invasions? I think they're haste/vers even
azure light
why not get the 385 boots from invasions? I think they're haste/vers even
havent looked into invasions at all
wary heath
no
warm plinth
I did a primal storm last night and they fucking suck compared to the pre-patch ones
wary heath
you can get 382 boots with titan training matrixes too
if you realy cant fill that slot
floral pewter
tl;dr: every half-week you can get a "this item begins a quest" from each element, turning it in gives 2 tokens, 7 tokens gets you 385 boots
warm plinth
Like just getting to one is a pain in the ass because they're so few and far between
floral pewter
the primal storms are up for 2 hours out of every 3...
azure light
you can get 382 boots with titan training matrixes too
havent gotten any IV
warm plinth
Fair, I misread the wowhead post
But it's not like the pre-patch ones; the one I was at was like 99% big ass elites and you're just aimlessly farming for the item
Super lame and annoying compared to how they worked in the pre-patch
young mango
my feet slot is cursed, should i just craft boots?
Yesterday i replaced my 327ilvl ring so cursed is relativly
azure light
Yesterday i replaced my 327ilvl ring so cursed is relativly
hehe
brazen sandal
On my warri alt, would you rather take 408 ruby whelp trinket or the 392 CoS ring WITH leech? obviously as of now the trinket would be better, but the ring with leech sounds juicy (as it can be upgraded to 415 down the line anyway)
limpid anchor
Ring
inland mesa
Boot slot is cursed mine are stuck at the storm 385 invasion when I have like 392 or higher everything else
solid granite
Boot slot is cursed mine are stuck at the storm 385 invasion when I have like 39...
My war is 397 - with a 372 shield. I know your pain
jade pulsar
On my warri alt, would you rather take 408 ruby whelp trinket or the 392 CoS rin...
ring, the trinket is very meh
remote dawn
is the granthys trinket from nokhud good?
solid granite
Enduring scale?
uneven robin
Its decent. only problem is that its rng really
open gazelle
Academy this week…. FML
rotund eagle
any one know what the best shield to craft is ?
sullen lichen
Hello, good morning everyone, i want to ask somethig, there is a real diference between belf, tauren and orc as a Prot War?
solid granite
no
chose whatever looks the best
belf transmog looks better, but shields on tauren are amazingly big
uneven robin
Is it better to mix gem on lariat or just go full on the Haste/vers one?
sullen lichen
belf transmog looks better, but shields on tauren are amazingly big
Thanks c:
solid granite
you're welcome
remote dawn
Enduring scale?
yea, this one
solid granite
if i was more positive about my own body image, i'd play a fem kultiran, but i'm not. So, nelf it is 😉
modern tartan
guys which embellishments are the best for prot warrior in m+?
remote dawn
and the seed trinket?
solid granite
Scale is decent, but very rng iirc
solid granite
Academy this week…. FML
let me guess - tree boss? 😄
jade pulsar
Is it better to mix gem on lariat or just go full on the Haste/vers one?
u probably want 1 fierce illimited diamond - the primary / haste one
opal flame
what is the priority of keeping Vanguard Determination up if I have 2 tier set bonus? Does it make my priorities to have shield block + ignore pain + Vanguard Determination always up?
solid granite
look at mister fancy pants here, having a set bonus!
opal flame
yeah, got 1 from vault and one dropped. But it feels like I need to spam revenge now every 5 seconds
cunning knot
armor spikes is pretty bad isnt it
solid granite
armor spikes is pretty bad isnt it
cunning knot
Yeah no shit, I'm saying its worse than that
full venture
Tree boss isn’t too bad
Lust on 2nd set of adds
Make sure you have a cleave group
obsidian path
Gotta stagger cooldowns to be sure to down every add spawn ?
full venture
Yep
limpid anchor
yeah, got 1 from vault and one dropped. But it feels like I need to spam revenge...
You kinda do that anyway
Before you didn’t do it in execute range, now@you try to keep it up there as well
vague mural
Newbie question: what happens if you have 10k IP and then you get hit for 70k? Will the 50% mitigation work on the whole 70k hit? Or only for a portion of it?
opal flame
Before you didn’t do it in execute range, now@you try to keep it up there as wel...
right, sounds good, thank you. It's a shame it doesn't extend like shield block but it makes sense
obsidian path
🤔
tender quartz
Is it just me or is our 2P not active on some M+ Bosses? Umbral or w/e her name is
WA + Buff don't pop up.
obsidian path
Newbie question: what happens if you have 10k IP and then you get hit for 70k? ...
Why isn't the correct answer : IP takes 50% of 70k up to 10k so you eat 60k ?
hazy sluice
Does my playstile change with 2p ? Like are there times when I prio rage for revenge instead IP even if IP is not up ?
warm plinth
Newbie question: what happens if you have 10k IP and then you get hit for 70k? ...
It mitigates 50% of the 70k hit but it can't go past the 10k cap so it would just reduce it by 10k since you don't have 35k worth of IP.
opal flame
Is it just me or is our 2P not active on some M+ Bosses? Umbral or w/e her name ...
not just you, it happens all the time
deep dove
Is battle-scarred veteran a bad talent? I see none of the tanks running it, would have though it may be better over Show of Force, just incase something goes downhill?
for defensive purposes
3 min sudo-cheat death seems kinda nutty, unless you are super confident
onyx pike
Is battle-scarred veteran a bad talent? I see none of the tanks running it, woul...
More a "oh shit talent"
I guess you see it rarely on top 100s because they know what they (and their group) is doing, so u dont really need it. but its just a guess.
I like having it with pug healers.
obsidian path
I like to have a oh-shit macro that uses all my defensives
deep dove
you're royally fking yourself over if you use all your defensives at once lol
you would have nothing to rotate
would have to afk for like 1 min after that haha
onyx pike
I always die 1000 deaths inside when I fat finger LS + SW, F1 and F2, F3 is my hpshout
should maybe move them already..
obsidian path
you're royally fking yourself over if you use all your defensives at once lol
I have binds for each spell, I'm talking about a fuck-up situation and you not trusting your healer
onyx pike
pressing multiple CDs at the same time fucks you over more likely in the long run imo. But i guess it depends on the content u do.
rotating cds properly is important.
strong forum
3 min sudo-cheat death seems kinda nutty, unless you are super confident
It procs more often than not in situations where you don't want it to proc
It's not a cheat death
If you got hit by a random hydro lance, it can proc it despite being in no danger whatsoever again
It's very likely to be on cd 24/7 in situations that didn't actually endanger you
patent zealot
Worst end row talent in the game IMO
Should be more of a healer talent doing more healing to low health people rather than a tank one
strong forum
It's not a bad talent perse, just procs too early
Imagine if purgatory for bdk procced at 20% hp instead of actual death
jagged pier
does it still proc before mitigation?
strong forum
No
ashen grail
Hello, excuse-me. I want to change races. Which one is the best for tanking mm+ ? 🙂
wintry jetty
Pick the one that looks the coolest
which is gnome
vapid turtle
i cant decide between Into the Fray and Heavy Repercussions for Raid Tanking
lime urchin
which is gnome
If by saying gnome you actually mean panda, then yes
foggy osprey
Hey guys! Do we have a list/tier list of trinkets for us? Not pinned, if I am not mistaken
lime urchin
There is one on wowhead
foggy osprey
Yeah I've seen but always take wowhead with a pinch of salt
jagged pier
we dont have one because there isnt really a bis list anymore
lime urchin
You don’t trust the legendary Llarold?
jagged pier
icy veins not even doing them anymore
foggy osprey
we dont have one because there isnt really a bis list anymore
There are some that are better than others, whether we know it or not :p
steady steppe
Because bis is irrelevant if you're simming?
misty sail
Liu Flameheart with or without Spell reflect?
open gazelle
Ruby life pools second boss… my healers fingers are bleeding
sharp bone
for m+ focus, which weapon ench would you go for?
dapper yacht
how do u manage def-cd on 2nd phase of temple LiuFlameheart boss? she casts Jade serpent strike so often
fresh belfry
So, why does the "max parse" build not include Barbaric Training? It currently sims and performs consistently better for me on singletarget, but thats without having 2p. I'm aware that the talent makes revenge a less efficient rage spender unless your procing a decent amount of free Revenge. Or is it just the 2p uptime diff making the talent less favorable?
median tulip
for m+ focus, which weapon ench would you go for?
If it's a really good weapon, go for the frosted damage one at rank 3. If it's not, a cheap haste enchant. Enchantments at the moment are stupid pricey.
I'm not paying 36k to enchant a weapon I'll probably replace within 2 weeks
fresh belfry
"fun" fact: 36k is actually below material costs and a byproduct of crafting rank 3 enchants
sand pebble
124k for a r3 on my server, chea[pest r3's are 38k
fresh belfry
its not on your sever its regionwide
median tulip
The whole economy of weapon enchants is kinda fucked up at the moment.
fresh belfry
but the crafting cost for any rank (rank 3 is impossible to guarantee) is currently 55k
sharp bone
cheers - yeah gold isnt an issue i hoarded lots in sl
steady steppe
The whole economy of weapon enchants is kinda fucked up at the moment.
Maybe u should learn how to enchant weapons then
fresh belfry
so if you buy a sophic rank 2 you actually "safe" 18k compared to crafting it yourself
median tulip
but the crafting cost for any rank (rank 3 is impossible to guarantee) is curren...
I mean, that calculation assumes that the AH price of the materials is a valid representation of their value and effort to obtain. A lot of crafters are hoarding materials at the moment.
fresh belfry
if you craft sophic devotions you need to proc at least 1/3 of the crafts to be rank 3 otherwise you're making a loss. even with the enchant costing 116k the profit margin is actually very thin
sand pebble
titan orbs were 9k last time i looked
fresh belfry
I mean, that calculation assumes that the AH price of the materials is a valid r...
it assumes that you could just as well sell the materials for the price you can currently achieve on the market
instead of gambling for r3 enchants
median tulip
I think the volume of sales on the AH for mats at current prices is very low
white bane
How do you guys feel about the Windscar Whetstone? the damage seems decent for m+ but its a mastery trinket
fresh belfry
the AH volume is very consistent
median tulip
How do you guys feel about the Windscar Whetstone? the damage seems decent for m...
No Primary Stat makes me sad
fresh belfry
and I dont think people are sitting on a lot of materials anymore. I've had a few hundred enchants banked. theyre all gone but its not worth producing anymore
titan orbs are just too expensive
lyric geode
Guys, what is the name of the gem that gives primary stat + haste?
fresh belfry
good news tho: if youre poor, farm titan orbs
lyric geode
I only see the stamina buff one
warm plinth
Illimited Fierce Diamond I believe
median tulip
Which brings me back to my original point; it's not worth putting an expensive enchant on a weapon you'll replace very quickly
fresh belfry
thats a very personal thing
its worth to me
and its worth for anyone pushing hard content rn
median tulip
Guys, what is the name of the gem that gives primary stat + haste?
Fierce Illimited Diamond, made by JCs with rank 40 in Air Faceting
lyric geode
Fierce Illimited Diamond, made by JCs with rank 40 in Air Faceting
It is only specific for JC?
median tulip
No, you can order it. But it's a 40 profession skill cut,so the number of JCs with it will be limited (especially because a lot of JCs have gone directly for the Lariat, which is on a different section of the crafting talents)
So expect to pay a bunch; Illimited diamonds are not free
lyric geode
Fuck. I already payed 100k
I am with 30k left
Well, I wont spend pots/flasks it seems
hardy snow
I mean, that calculation assumes that the AH price of the materials is a valid r...
If price of these mats doesnt represent their value in your opinion, you can farm them and sell cheaper if you want 🙂
lyric geode
Dude, there are people that are hoarding waterfowl filet. trying to sell it lower. They press the prices down
median tulip
If you have an organised group, just serially butcher +2s for DE fodder to make your teams enchants
You can clear a +2 in under 10 minutes as long as it's not Nokhud
obsidian path
No, you can order it. But it's a 40 profession skill cut,so the number of JCs wi...
Can't find one for the exact same one on my server
limpid anchor
If you have an organised group, just serially butcher +2s for DE fodder to make ...
The crystals are not the issue with enchants tho
And considering people buy them for 2-3k, they ah does indeed represent their value
fresh belfry
You can clear a +2 in under 10 minutes as long as it's not Nokhud
Let’s be generous and say you get 5 crystals out of this and they’re worth 3k each then 18k gold per hour is really not ver impressive
hardy snow
Isnt titan orbs biggest part of the price?
fresh belfry
yes
untold adder
titan orbs droprate is scuffed.
i think i might be playing on a dead realm, since wednesday i havent been able to find anyone who can make elemental lariat. RIP
hazy thicket
tfw the 1700 rio warrior playing fury in your 12 RLP asserts that you need to appreciate that magic damage is going to own you and you should press IP more when the team is talking about it being a bit rough at the end and you say that you think you need to plan your CD usage better as a general point on handling it better
and im here barely 1200 and crying
untold adder
just press IP bro.
hazy thicket
i just LMFAO'd and bounced... how can i say anything to that 😂
untold adder
well he is 1700 rio so he must know
whole tulip
TBH I am 1800 and just press buttons and panic
hazy thicket
hes got 400+ more votes than me on whether my 'opinion' is valid
whole tulip
Rio means crap skill wise
hazy thicket
there is a not insignificant group who will happily go along with higher score = more betterer and so im not allowed to comment... plus, i feel like someone who is still saying that in 2022 isnt going to be told no matter who it comes from
peak lily
How can Ruby Whelp shell be on the "best in slot" on wowhead, yet listed as B tier further down. Is the rankings there good, and its just a mistake or?
amber siren
Trinkets are situational
whole tulip
Get 1 equip, 1 on use and you're golden
timid coyote
Hey, just looking at key performance points for my play on keys.
Aside from Shield Block, Ignore Pain & Demo shout uptime what else should I be looking at in order to improve performance?
peak lily
Trinkets are situational
Is there any good resource for how you analyze and decide according to situation then? Since then you cant really just "check pins".
blazing condor
usually its divided between defensive trinkets and offensive trinkets
mortal brook
Raidbots
blazing condor
if you wanna compare offensive trinkets you just sim
vagrant relic
hey guys not sure if this is a place to ask but how do u guys deal with the last boss of the azure vault the crystal dragon aka seath the scaleless? how do I not get soaked in the orbs as a prot any advice? Would be highly appreciated. Thanks in advance
jagged pier
Hey, just looking at key performance points for my play on keys.
Aside from Sh...
uptime is a terrible metric for sheild block we only care about blocked hits, we also dont really care at all about IP uptime at all, and demo should just be used on CD so we dont care about that ither. if u really want to imporve u need to log and im happy to run u through how to read them to see how to improve
but uptime is bad
jagged pier
hey guys not sure if this is a place to ask but how do u guys deal with the last...
only move when u need too
whole tulip
Stand still as much as you can, pull the boss near one of the walls to minimise the space your group has to stay in. Use heroic leap to another place when you have to
obsidian path
I find having smoother life bar variation a good metric
vagrant relic
only move when u need too
but in some stage of the fight it can get outa hand and u can find yourself in a situation when 5 orbs are coming at u and your heroic leap is on cd any advices but to pray?
jagged pier
i mean i dont tend to use lepa until i need it to move
obsidian path
If I drop to low too fast then I should've used a defensive earlier
jagged pier
☝️
untold adder
you stand still long enough for stacks to drop
untold adder
absolutely no unneeded movements
obsidian path
Just try to anticipate damage and not stress your healer
vagrant relic
ok gonna try to just be extra cautious thanks
obsidian path
Quick dumb thing but try to do dungeons as a non-tank
Gives you some perspective on other's people gameplay
jagged pier
doing that only makes me want to tank again
mortal brook
Never gamble that you might Q into a bad tank. Guarantee it by being the bad tank
obsidian path
I like both tank and fury
tender quartz
https://i.imgur.com/HcJLEsl.png This active in M+?
obsidian path
But a badly positioned tank is a PITA
tender quartz
2 Set
untold adder
yea
untold adder
sure
tulip harness
What is it that causes all the groupwide damage at the start of temple of the jade serpent? all the water elemental thingies, keep getting random pug wipes there
untold adder
you need to kite them to a cornor so group can LOS the AOE
ruby steppe
hey quick question: how do I use rend? It is not mentioned in the guides...
whole tulip
Most people do not know to do that, using the talent that gives you shield wall to your group and rallying cry help a lot in pugs
whole tulip
hey quick question: how do I use rend? It is not mentioned in the guides...
You don't use it, you talent blood and thunder and it will automatically apply to your thunderclap
ruby steppe
You don't use it, you talent blood and thunder and it will automatically apply t...
oh nice, I see. Thank you
whole tulip
Np
obsidian path
At reduced effectiveness
tender quartz
Didn't they scratch that in one of the last Beta Phases
Just 1 more Charge and 30s CD
obsidian path
tulip harness
@ruby steppe The AOE, is it a cast they can los? or when does the aoe actually happen?
short vale
Plan movement, don’t waste movement by back peddling and between crystals spawn do big movements if you need.
U can also charge crystals to move and remember that avatar clears it too (also thundering is quite handy)
tender quartz
@whole tulip @obsidian path
Why you guys in here telling people to pick talents that didnt make it out of Beta
The fuck you guys playing
jagged pier
Most people do not know to do that, using the talent that gives you shield wall ...
that talent doesnt exsist anymore
and giving out miss information
is a muteable offence
so please dont give advice if u dont know what your talking about
mortal brook
Jakey whats your policy on gladiator stance
jagged pier
i played it back in WoD
but
i also believe it should stay there tbh
and anyway we doing dps damage as is
🤷
mortal brook
gritty glen
What is it that causes all the groupwide damage at the start of temple of the ja...
Tidal Burst from the waterspeakers + the swirlies from the elementals.
tulip harness
Tidal Burst from the waterspeakers + the swirlies from the elementals.
thanks!
Completely different question, I cant find slam or WW anywhere in the wowhead rotation, can I just throw them off bars or they fit in as fillers somewhere?
tulip harness
fair enough, thanks
blazing condor
--> 
sick sentinel
TC automatically applies it
sick sentinel
hey quick question: how do I use rend? It is not mentioned in the guides...
TC automatically applies it if you have blood and thunder
frozen rose
hi friends for primal council, how are you dealing with the swap mechanic? swap instantly on crush from opal? or...wait until each tank gets the debuff, one from opal, one from embar (searing), then swap. I ask, because these abilities dont go off at the same time. There are times when tank on opal, after crush, where you'll have to take like 5-8 seconds of 100% increased physical until embar boss does the searing ability to other tank
seems the choice is either deal with that increased dmg window, or, one tank may be getting 2x of searing ability at times
mortal brook
Just kept embar on 1 tank then swapped opal on crush yeah
frozen rose
@mortal brook which one is it tho? swap insta on opal crush? or wait until each tank gets their respective debuff
mortal brook
On crush worked fine
frozen rose
alright thx. on norm it didnt even matter. tried heroic last night and it matters some now
golden haven
one maybe stupid question, the prot warri dps is coming from the weapon or the shield?
edgy grail
Weapon is most important
But damage comes from all your gear
Shield is most important defensively
golden haven
thought so, thanks alot 🙂
onyx matrix
Hey guys, how difficult is the 1-2 first bosses in the raid on hc compared to normal? Asking for a friend
limpid anchor
Not much different
uneven river
azure vault 15 last boss whats the actual tank strat ?
ancient reef
hey big bosses, what should i use my spark of injenuity on
uneven river
other than blast fuck out of it
golden haven
don't die? 😄
uneven river
lol tried that
ended up just getting swamped by the things eventually
had pissy warlock wanting me to stand in one spot on the side thinking the moving orbs cant reach there they can
fickle pawn
can anyone tell me which are the best items to craft from orders on prot for m+
oblique wharf
azure vault 15 last boss whats the actual tank strat ?
Spell reflect tank buster and move only when its necessary to survive
Other than that just blast xD
blazing condor
can anyone tell me which are the best items to craft from orders on prot for m+
shield/wep/lariat
uncut basin
what to craft after lariat
timid coyote
uptime is a terrible metric for sheild block we only care about blocked hits, we...
Yo, thanks for the offer. Away from the game for a few days for Christmas but would you mind if I message you start of next week for some feedback?
jagged pier
ok
still flame
uptime is a terrible metric for sheild block we only care about blocked hits, we...
What do you mean we dont care about IP uptime ? You just mean that IP and block should be used for meaningful situations, but nevertheless, it is safe to say that keeping them up almost at all times is still a good way to go about it?
marble cipher
Should I take Enduring Alacrity (Stam+ armor 5% and 1% haste), or Focused Vigor (strength and armor 5% and crit 1%)?
I think I defaulted to the EA one, for extra haste when I had low haste
But currently I'm thinking the str+armor is better ?
Or "do what you want"?
sand pebble
focus vigor is 10x above enduring
strong forum
Focused vigor increases your dmg by ~7%
Enduring alacrity increases you dmg by ~1.5%
They're not even in the same ballpark
strong forum
What do you mean we dont care about IP uptime ? You just mean that IP and block ...
Ignore pain is your defensive rage dump, you send it to prevent overcapping of rage regardless of situation
earnest canyon
Hi everyone
Can we block something on second boss in temple?
sand pebble
spell reflect agony
earnest canyon
Or is it just 100% magic hits hence not blockable?
uneven river
@oblique wharf yeh thats what i was doing. just lack of dps then i guess cant survive forever
violet spruce
If I already used spark on different items other than shield/weap, am I shit out of luck?
smoky haven
is there a trinket i can go for in M+ since raid trinket hasn't dropped once before
strong forum
And even then, you still get the healing absorb dot
uneven river
yup
suriving the tank buster was fine just to many movey orbs by time it was close to dead
strong forum
That boss is super anti-pwar cuz it's all on your healer to outheal the absorb
uneven river
lock was specced aoe tho and did 20 k single target vs everyone else closer to 40 so thats probably it
strong forum
We did it first try yesterday on 17
So it was fine-ish
I remembered it to be more dangerous
uneven river
yeh it was defintely do able
strong forum
But still scary
uneven river
just not with 1 dps at 20
strong forum
Yeah that's a diff story
uneven river
always the dps doing no damage flaming the tank at the end to lol
strong forum
Going aoe in totjs is trolling
jagged pier
^^
strong forum
It's a full on prio/St dmg dungeon
smoky haven
what are some good M+ trinkets for prot?
strong forum
Nah
zenith path
how do we deal with the 3rd boss of temple jade serpent in terms of defensives for the 2nd phase
strong forum
That's a waste of valor to upgrade 372s
smoky haven
yea
strong forum
how do we deal with the 3rd boss of temple jade serpent in terms of defensives f...
In fire Phase you don't use anything, then in jade phase you use shield wall -> spell Block -> shield wall -> last stand
And spell reflect on as many as you can
lusty tiger
And spell reflect on as many as you can
Does spell reflect immune the serpent kick?
lusty tiger
Oo
Strange
Once I started waiting to pop something specific for each kick it was chill
smoky haven
when should we use demo shout vs shield wall or are they for two separate functions
pallid quiver
It's a full on prio/St dmg dungeon
It's so funny because the dungeon flow and my old Panda-land instincts tell me the exact opposite, even though I 100% agree
strong forum
I send demo shout just on CD for damage
If you can't get out of jade phase with 5 rotations
You're fucked either way
lusty tiger
Demo - always
SW - save only if you’re going to need it specifically soon
smoky haven
like does demo count as a "defensive"
strong forum
Technically yes
pallid quiver
It is technically a defensive boost, but the rage/damage is more important
smoky haven
tht + ignore pain is what i use when shield wall is down
strong forum
Well you always have IP up
pallid quiver
Think of it as like the one Mage talent that ebbs and flows damage, except instead of damage it's mitigation
so not something you think about too hard
but track for "i wanna hit things around this time"
strong forum
You don't wanna sit on it for long if you plan do use it defensively
smoky haven
yeah i guess, also i saw s1 ask earlier about playing diff with the 2 set piece do we spend rage on revenge or wut
strong forum
We always spend rage on revenge
and on ignore pain
Like there no choice to be made
It's both
pallid quiver
Playstyle only remotely can be affected in ST with tier set; otherwise, it's all the same, and the ST "change" is due to Execute
smoky haven
ty for the insight
pallid quiver
We have enough rage gen in both AoE and ST with proper builds to send IP to avoid overcapping and spend rage on Revenge when we need to press it
pallid quiver
so tier set ends up being pretty much a passive damage increase and defense increase
edgy grail
In fire Phase you don't use anything, then in jade phase you use shield wall -> ...
Impending victory is also very useful
strong forum
Well yeah you send that on CD on the mechanic
Whenever you can
Which is every 2nd cast
Cuz the cast happens every 18 seconds
pallid quiver
ill have you know i spell reflect the fire serpent strikes, thank you
Probably because DPS in my groups has generally been "borderline sketch" so i can guarantee it's up for jade phase, but
uneven mason
I'm pretty happy with the revision of jade serpent
Fast dungeon but has some sticky mechanics
drowsy ruin
hey guys anyone know an alternative to moveanything? i need to make my targets casting bar larger
uneven mason
Base UI allows for that now?
sick sentinel
so, is the mechanic for the bird boss AA that you have to do red after blue and vice versa, but you can choose the first goal?
it seems like you need to do the other color after either to get that first color back
uneven mason
Hold the first transition as long as possible
Then do them back to back is the play?
sick sentinel
i just hit buttons and hold W most times
blazing condor
Base UI allows for that now?
It dont. Sucks
You can move your own cast bar but not targets
blazing condor
It sucks cus i use elvui for everything but unit frames and its the unit frames that are fucked
Same with raid frames
For some reason the groups only stack outwards now. Before they would stack two on top of eachother and then to the right
heavy temple
Like there no choice to be made
can you with a proper rotation always cast revenge, with 0 downtime?
sand pebble
pretty much if you cant press something on every gcd and have to wait for rage you overspent rage - worst case you charge weave
somber shell
I have these trinkets. Mastery seems sorta shitty, but the puzzle box has more primary stat. Is it a better defensive option than any of the others?
sand pebble
lifeflame is VERY lackluster
somber shell
that's what I'm thinking
sand pebble
atleast with the puzzlebox your leech will benefit
somber shell
mastery affects leech?
sand pebble
mastery increases ap, more ap = more damage = more damage = bigger leech
sand pebble
and puzzle bos grants a huge amount of mastery
somber shell
Doesn't it have like a 3s cast time
yikes it does
uneven mason
I immediately discounted it, anything that stops me from moving goes to the bin
sand pebble
just think about when you use it
puzzlebox pre charge into a pack - that amount of mastery is nothing to pass up if you have no better
uneven mason
True, still feels horrible
sand pebble
feels better than ampole tbh
uneven mason
Maybe I'll make a wa that plays the sonic "spin up" sound when I click it
sand pebble
charging lazers is the term used by our resident dh
uneven mason
That's because they got their powers by a botched lasic experiment
sand pebble
rofl
spice axle
what's bis weapon enchant for m+?
strong forum
Sophic
somber shell
yeah id use it offnesively b efore hitting avatar and shield charging in
dapper yacht
how do u manage def-cd on 2nd phase of temple Liu Flameheart boss? she casts Jade serpent strike so often (edited)
pallid quiver
In fire Phase you don't use anything, then in jade phase you use shield wall -> ...
Whole convo about it earlier, basics is this
uneven mason
In fire Phase you don't use anything, then in jade phase you use shield wall -> ...
Pins IMO, this is going to be every tyrannical week
uneven mason
Maybe I'll Cook up a wa
solemn aspen
Is it worth to take intervene for wolf boss in HoV ? if yes, what would you drop ?
severe hatch
Pain and Gain is fairly low value
pallid quiver
Pins IMO, this is going to be every tyrannical week
It's also just an extension of "how to deal with damage" as a whole; if we were to pin that, there's an understandable argument that we need a pin for every single boss that's around
It's effectively "rotate defensives"
pallid quiver
Is it worth to take intervene for wolf boss in HoV ? if yes, what would you dro...
bounding stride
i already don't take pain and gain
solemn aspen
already off 😄
mellow elk
Guys what is the best race to tank in the horde?
mellow quartz
Pins IMO, this is going to be every tyrannical week
One issue with spell block as the only defensive for one hit for example is it only works on the initial application, not the dot. I would always use SR for DR together with spell block there.
To be honest third boss is relatively easy. Just tell dps to use CDs in the Jade phase if there are any issues to push the phase fast.
2nd boss is harder than third imo. Especially if you play with monkeys and they swap late so stacks stay up for a long time which increases the damage intake.
sand pebble
hehe i asked them to swap at 6, watched them hit a few more - went perrfect
mellow quartz
Wonder how it would go if you just follow the npc guy. His initial hit when he swaps give the mob a stack it looks like.
naive sinew
