protection

[cold trench]

but it's interesting stuff thanks for your insight

[lusty grotto]

im not entirely sure how many ilvls up is the proc worth abaddon

but both are still higher ilvl than the haste versa ring

[cold trench]

I'll sim anyway to get dem big numbers

[lusty grotto]

so that's why they are better, higher budget stats etc

[cold trench]

I get that

[lusty grotto]

considering assembly eats a bit of the budget though

[cold trench]

still don't understand how the crafter ring has higher stats than the 392 tho

crafted gear I guess

[lusty grotto]

hmm probably maxed budget

[tulip pollen]

Hello, i have a question,would i get the most bang for my buck for upgrading my shield to max first?

[lusty grotto]

sure

[uneven mason]

Shield always

[tulip pollen]

thanks!

[acoustic oak]

Anyone know if Windburst can be taunt swap reflected by DPS warrs in Nok 2nd boss?

Thinking Mordretha swap in TOP from shadowlands

[lusty grotto]

i think its possible

but i dont think anyone has actually tried it

[acoustic oak]

Hmmm

You'd have to get the dps to walk out of melee, taunt from ranged then wait for cast before taunting back I guess

[lusty grotto]

seems like something that could be worth it

[jaunty inlet]

I'm pretty sure it's possible since he always casts when you're not in melee range

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[quartz ginkgo]

Hi, where i can see best talents? 😄

[jaunty inlet]

It's massive DPS

[acoustic oak]

I will do some testing, thanks folks

[crystal canopy]

You know what I want to see is 5 battle stance prot wars in a m+

[lusty grotto]

just make sure they are standing out lol

[urban bane]

With two warios can you wombo combo last boss in Nokhud with a reflected conductive strike -> reflected thunder strike

[lean tide]

its buff or nerf; ) ?

bc now is 50 % 🙂

[hasty fiber]

Hey guys which rings do we want both raid rings + fire dmg belt?

[lusty grotto]

you are late on that

its 50% now, because what you're linking went live on tuesday

[orchid citrus]

!wa

[edgy widget]

sup guys

spending the spark in larit and a shild, its the correct

?

[prisma crane]

arguably buff in all areas it matters

worst case non-issue

[plush tendon]

Lariat is a good pick

[granite plume]

does it matter team sword/axe/mace for 1h?

[plush tendon]

second pick can be whatever you want: I went Lariat, 1h Sword and now im eyeing Engi bracers

[plush tendon]

no

only for TMOG

[torn pebble]

Use second craft after larit to fill gap imo

[plush tendon]

I think engi bracers are a good pickup

having a bres kind of goated

especially if you only have 1 or none in your M+ group

[edgy widget]

thanks, @plush tendon and @torn pebble

[plush tendon]

Youll also get lots of Sparks through this tier

no need to worry bout it too much

[torn pebble]

You won’t lose out if it’s sheild or 1h, just don’t do set slots

That’s most important

[plush tendon]

^

yea, avoid tier slots

[torn pebble]

Set slots are for set … not crafted

After that - have at it 😅

[lusty grotto]

well fortunately

theres 6 pieces of tier

and you only need 4

[plush tendon]

yea, but you can craft in those slots later

[lusty grotto]

so... yes engi bracers are a valid option

[torn pebble]

But what are the changes of getting the slot drop for tier on what you crafted 😂

[plush tendon]

not right now while we still gathering as much gear as possible

[lusty grotto]

doesnt matter cause crafted can be upgraded -- and we're 3 weeks out for creation catalyst

[plush tendon]

true, but lets say you craft that armor spike helm and you get a tier helm to drop this reset

[lusty grotto]

i was replying to Thompy

[plush tendon]

[lusty grotto]

sorry i should have hit reply

[bold turret]

How is the frostfire belt for us in M+?

[lusty grotto]

its okay

[plush tendon]

great way to proc the raid rings if you have them; otherwise, its decent

[sick sentinel]

what embellishment to craft?

what's bis

[lusty grotto]

PINS PINS PINS

hi everyone, do you have a question? did you recently just join?

take a look at this picture im going to link

[weary python]

Does Decoration of flame proc the rings? I assume it does

[lusty grotto]

sorry zotics, i wasn't replying to you

[plush tendon]

yea

any fire damage

[deft socket]

When off-tanking a boss, do you try and keep shield block up to max shield slam damage?

[lusty grotto]

yes

also back off and use charge for extra rage gen

[deft socket]

It's what I've been doing. Thank you

[hard timber]

bruh the 2nd and 3rd boss in jade temple hard fk me up :x

and boulder boss in ruby

rotated defensives on cd, how am i supposed to live the boss on higher keys in temple

wtf

barely managed to live on 14

[severe steeple]

what ilvl are you

[hard timber]

392

[gloomy turret]

3rd boss - make sure u dont get hit by the serpent kick frontals and stay out of circle

and you should be fine

[severe steeple]

can't say i had any problems beside my group getting hit by frontals

maybe your healer was bad

[gloomy turret]

those cones.. hit 200k+ everytime u get hit by one

[oak echo]

also 3rd boss make sure you're reflecting the first part of the combo during phase 1

[hard timber]

wait........................................... im trolling. I did not know the kick on the boss was a frontal? i thought it was hard locked on tank/aggro target

[gloomy turret]

it shoots 4 beams

[lusty grotto]

the waves

[hard timber]

oh never got hit by that one

[lusty grotto]

are what they call the frontals

[gloomy turret]

from diagonal stand points off boss

[severe steeple]

nvm its first week we all figure stuff out

[hard timber]

its the dot/thingy or something form the boss

im talking about

Jade serpent strike

[gloomy turret]

show details of what killed you

[hard timber]

it did not kill me

but it was close every time

even though i used defensive for every single one of them

[gloomy turret]

you must be inside the circle then

when it goes off

[weary python]

For me this week it's Nokhud, 15+ that place is bruuuutal.

[hard timber]

i cannot dodge this one

[jagged pier]

spell

block

👏

[hard timber]

So i guess speccing into spellblock is the only thing i can do huh besides popping defs

[oak echo]

that dungeon you kinda need spell block tbh

for more than just that boss

you can almost pop it on cd the whole dungeon and it'll be valuable every time

[hard timber]

yeh i found the second boss brutal too

[weary python]

What other dungeons is spell block advised to be taken on?

[lusty grotto]

RLP

mostly

spell block and defender's aegis for 2x wall

[sonic eagle]

Anyone have a good resource for good trinkets? not sure where to target

[hard timber]

this abilty also scared the shit out of me not gonna lie

second boss in ruby

[lusty grotto]

yeah you gotta DR the dot

[hard timber]

yeah i rotated cds on it

that one was rough

[lusty grotto]

again that's why spell block

and double wall

[hard timber]

u are right. I am still kinda new to warr

day 5

[sonic eagle]

the wind boss in Nokhud is worse imo

[hard timber]

coming from being a stupid dps brain xd

i had no real issue on windboss tbh

but jade and ruby had me

[sonic eagle]

really? how do you survive lol

do you soak?

[lusty grotto]

why wouldnt you soak

its a buff

and youre a tank

youre not gonna get 1 shot by the nuke

[sonic eagle]

I get 80% chunked off usually

i do soak it just hurts

[weary python]

Spell reflect that shit

[lusty grotto]

you dont

i mean

did you step out?

youre not supposed to chase after orbs

and if you do YOU DO HAVE TO SR

[sonic eagle]

i grab the ones that are close

[lusty grotto]

he will nuke you if youre not in melee

you reflect those for big damage

[sonic eagle]

ohhhhh yea i step out

[hard timber]

U can run out once in a while

and sr wind gust

but be fast

[lusty grotto]

make sure youre not running to africa

[jagged granite]

Anyone got a WA for Vanguards determination? The 2set.

[lusty grotto]

ideally the group should be spread around boss

and orbs that come your way, are yours for damage buff

[slim dove]

spell reflect wind burst every 25 sec for giga dam

[weary python]

8 raid bosses last week 0 tier. 6 vault slots 0 tier. big sadge.

[sterile bough]

@sonic eagle the wind boss is jiga easy u just need dispell

[lusty grotto]

*purge

[sterile bough]

ye

same thing

[weary python]

The purge is yuuuuuge

[sterile bough]

with purge I can be legit afk without even pressing shield slam

[sterile bough]

what do u refelect?

[lusty grotto]

wind burst

[naive panther]

Need tips for surviving Jade Serpent Strike

[mighty valley]

he's got one of those "if there's no one in melee range, blast a dude" abilities

[lusty grotto]

just step out of melee range every time SR is up

[mighty valley]

the ragnaros classic

[lusty grotto]

SR wind burst and then step back in

or just Ogcd SR charge in

[sterile bough]

oke oke will try

does it go on tank tho?

[heady nest]

what %crit should we be striving for?

[lusty grotto]

yes it goes on the tank

[hard timber]

spec into spell block and ardent defender

for 2 shieldwalls

and spell block one

i mean u dont really lose anything from speccing into spellblock huh

just a bit of dmg

[lusty grotto]

we don't go for any numbers in particular

[naive panther]

cause I shield walled and barely survived the dot gets me before he can heal me up

[sterile bough]

spam IP and pray for healer

[naive panther]

i can reflect fire kicks but the jade wrecks me, only a 14 too

[hard timber]

prepare ignore pain

[naive panther]

yeah was stacking it

[heady nest]

whats a good distribution?

[naive panther]

but hten out of range

to dodge other hits

[lusty grotto]

all haste

[sonic eagle]

best trinkets for M+? raid?

[sterile bough]

Ilvl> all

[lusty grotto]

distribution doesnt really matter

at least right now with gearing

maybe when we're max ilvl with 20s done and mythic cleared, then we can worry about distribution via sims

and even then i highly doubt anything will change

pins has a handy stat prio

go at it

[heady nest]

so just, as much haste as possible?

[hard timber]

So the big circle, serpent kick(the one that spawns the flames too) on the 3rd boss in tojs can be spellreflected or?

[lusty grotto]

as much ilvl as possible

if equal ilvl, as much haste as possible

[heady nest]

copy

[lusty grotto]

just follow the pin prio

[hard timber]

i feel like this trinket is kinda ass btw.. i have a 395 hord too from HoV

[naive panther]

I reflect the fire kicks, jade serpent strike doesn't seem to work, haven't tried to reflect the ring

[mighty valley]

can't really imagine a big strength proc can be that bad?

[blazing condor]

Its a good trinket

[lusty tiger]

spellblockable

[sick sentinel]

which healers can do the mass dispell effect

[mighty valley]

priests

[sonic eagle]

priest

[fluid shard]

recount will show you the damage proc which is around 2.5-3% but the STR buff is good too

[mighty valley]

monks as a 2min cd

[naive panther]

yeah i'll try with spell block, but will only work for one

[sick sentinel]

is there others than can get a very similiar effect

[lusty tiger]

warlocks w imp

[sonic eagle]

damn thats an insane trinket

[sick sentinel]

like short cd multi person or just priest

[lusty tiger]

demon hunters reverse

pally bubble

[hard timber]

would it be worth to dump my valor into it tho

[mighty valley]

priests are the only one with a true mid cd mass dispel

[lusty grotto]

there's nothing like mass dispel no

only itself

[sick sentinel]

pally bop bursting was great, maybe it was spell warding, didn't happen alot anyway

[naive panther]

So will shield wall even reduce the size of the heal absorb he puts on me?

dk could just insta heal that up

[mighty valley]

don't think so, doesn't say it scales with the damage

[naive panther]

ok so wall isn't hte answer

just immediate heals after to counter the dot

druid hots maybe, had a pally with me

[sick sentinel]

what if i block a fire ball and the fire ball leaves a fire dot on me and i used spell block before hand, do i get reduced dmg from the ticks

[mighty valley]

i mean, if the hit and the dot are reduced by 40%, the healing reduction is a lot less worrying

[sick sentinel]

i want to play around with spell block more

[sonic eagle]

no

[mighty valley]

also IP counts as healing, can use IV after

[naive panther]

yeah I use IV but can't even get in range cause i'm basically a hit from death

[mighty valley]

basic melees really shouldn't threaten you, and if you stay out of melee range you're absolutely not gonna recover

no rage = no IP etc

you've also got demo shout, last stand as an emergency button

[fast knot]

Slammed my head on that boss in a 16, was not fun

[mighty valley]

it's brutal for sure, there's a key level where you'll need externals to survive, and then a level beyond that where you just gotta get more gear

[fast knot]

Running double wall and spell block took literally every trick in the book plus GS at 390 lol

Damn trinkets are inflating ilvl as well

[sick sentinel]

yeah, im gunna make some kind of craft today or tomorrow

[lusty tiger]

I died 2x on the shenron boss lol

[sick sentinel]

no idea what, and frankly anything i get will be an upgrade anyways

[lusty tiger]

Serpent kick + dot is

[fast knot]

I don't really recall my cd order but serpent almost decked me

Had absolutely nothing up

[sick sentinel]

immediate thoughts is to work order bracers of versa and then either shield ordunno

[uneven mason]

Jade serpent strike is how frequent?

[sick sentinel]

the bracer situation, is not good

[lusty grotto]

just get engi bracers then yogi, and have a free brez

[fast knot]

I think every 20 seconds

[misty sail]

is there a working macro for Wold Markers? My old one doesnt work anymore

[fast knot]

Reflect was barely still on cooldown since my auras couldn't track well

[lusty grotto]

you mean for the placement markers?

[misty sail]

y

[lusty grotto]

i have no idea tbh

that's one of the few things i just click

[misty sail]

damn^^

[lusty grotto]

and/or ring menu click etc

[uneven mason]

Yuk, so last stand counts as a heal iirc

[lusty grotto]

it does

that hasnt changed

[uneven mason]

So that might nuke one of the absorbs

[fast knot]

I think I went shout rally Reflect first, second was first wall and stance with IV, third was spell block and GS and then 4th was wall/Reflect shout

Can't remember where I had LS but 4th pretty much nuked to about 15%

Probably misplayed like crazy but again I was probably about ~10 ilvl too low

[sick sentinel]

guess the boss

[lusty grotto]

oooh oooh meme

2nd notgud boss

[fast knot]

Khan

[misty sail]

y

[lusty grotto]

what did i win

[sick sentinel]

khan wins

ez

[lusty grotto]

o

[rancid iris]

Was looking for opinions on crafting the lariat. Are people going haste crit or putting mastery/crit for fury OS?

[lusty grotto]

we're prot first here

so

[tropic tangle]

mastery is the worst prot stats

[lusty grotto]

you can probably get away with mastery/haste

if you want to do both

you just wont get mastery proc

[uneven mason]

To clarify it's the worst, but not bad.

[lusty grotto]

its one of those things where it might boil down to what you play the most

[uneven mason]

We don't have "bad stats"

Just less good stats

[sick sentinel]

so what do you put on craft gears

haste crit?

[tropic tangle]

yeah, I guess I would never bother with mastery unless I was main raiding as fury or something, and in that case it seems like it's less of an offspec

[uneven mason]

Yeah

Haste crit

[lusty grotto]

have you read the pins?

its great

[modern brook]

Me between the hours of 9 and 5

That's 17 for you eu bros with the stupid clocks

[lusty grotto]

LOL

[slim dove]

[lusty grotto]

bull just remember

its non-freedom time

i gotta say though

im glad the versa thing seems over

team crit wins again

you hear that bull?

[sullen birch]

Has the Prot hidden artifact appearance changed? I’ve been to this damn cave everyday and it’s never spawned

[lusty grotto]

no

its just RNG

and always was

i remember people bitching about it a lot during legion

[sullen birch]

I feel like all the other rng hidden ones aren’t this bad

[lusty grotto]

in fact it took me 2 months on legion to get it

[final gust]

have you tried just finding it

[sullen birch]

Damn

Yea

I searched the cave everyday too

[lusty grotto]

and i know for a fact a lot of people were more unlucky

[final gust]

dang that sucks

[lusty grotto]

dont search the cave, use the WA

[sullen birch]

Gotcha

Welp I’ll keep trying

[lusty grotto]

and make sure youre in prot spec

[sullen birch]

Yea I am

What wa

Where do inge tit

I get it

[lusty grotto]

wago

[sullen birch]

K

Ty

[lusty grotto]

like all the other WAs lol

🙂

[short temple]

Hi! question How do warriors handle the Searing wound
on tyranical?

[strong forum]

shield wall

[lusty grotto]

wall/SR magic DR

[short temple]

SR?

[lusty grotto]

spell reflect

its 20% magic DR

[short temple]

yea but the debuff says Physical

[lusty grotto]

for 5 seconds on a 20s cd

hmmm i could have sworn it was magic

[short temple]

it hit me for over 55000 dmg/tic with 3 stacks from the bebuff

[lusty grotto]

nope

its physical

youre right

[sullen birch]

@lusty grotto any idea what the WA is called?

[lusty grotto]

just search prot hidden artifact

[short temple]

so its just shield wall then

[lusty grotto]

demo might help

[short temple]

true

[lusty grotto]

and IP

and being dwarf

[untold coral]

and if all else fails an external from ur healer

[lusty grotto]

🙂

or having an evoker

[short temple]

never!!!!

[compact jackal]

What is the best blue shield?

[untold coral]

bitter immunity perhaps if u want to talent into it

[lusty grotto]

too bad evoker bleed cleanse is like 3 mins though

[compact jackal]

I will embrace the blue.

[lusty grotto]

good question

looks good

[sick sentinel]

i want the shield middle row #2

big red jewel on it

[lusty grotto]

this one looks good too

the OG lordaeron shield also is a favorite

[short temple]

i like this one

[lusty grotto]

he said blue though

[short temple]

true ^^

[uneven mason]

Surprised no one mentioned the blue spinnydisk

[slim dove]

in my group, we evoker cleanse the first, dwarf the second, cleanse the third, then i start rotating CDs between cleanse CDs

[short temple]

alright ty but my healer is a druid

[slim dove]

sucks, prevokers are busted.

[lusty grotto]

dps evokers can do it

[slim dove]

the diff between doing a key with an hpal and an prevoker literally feels like 5 key levels

its insane.

[short elk]

Hpal better or worse

[slim dove]

worse

[mellow quartz]

What?

[lusty grotto]

hmm you play with a lot of bad evokers then

[mellow quartz]

I have the exact opposite experience

[slim dove]

good prevokers are nuts dude

[safe moon]

so weird question I guess, why does everyone roll with thunderous roar and words instead of just going full shockwave? it seems like shockwave is way stronger?

[mellow quartz]

The keys I have done with good hpals are much easier and smoother than evokers.

[slim dove]

using a stop as a dps cd is dumb.

[safe moon]

oh its just because of the stun being that good?

[mellow quartz]

Words and roar is more dps and sending shockwave on CD is not a good use of the utility of shockwave.

[slim dove]

also exact opposite experience lul

[safe moon]

Makes so much more sense now, ty

[slim dove]

hpals struggling this week especially, prevokers press 2 buttons and top entire party instantly after each pack

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/blue-ribbon-first-place-1st-place-winner-gif-20916417

hpals always used to have a high skill ceiling for grievous

the real good ones shine

[proud dock]

if pugging, shld i try to align my CDs with DPS to do bigger pulls or just pull big once i have CDs?

[lusty grotto]

are they playing glimmer still?

and seasons?

[proud dock]

ezier to align with a group, but pugging idk

cbf typing per pull

yeah thats wat i was thnking too

[slim dove]

you dont have omnicc to track all their shit?

i just pull big when i see they have cds up

[proud dock]

yeha i guess ill give omni a go

[lusty grotto]

omnicd*

omnicc is something different

[slim dove]

omnicd ye

[lusty grotto]

i might dust off my pal

to see what changed

[proud dock]

does omni do a good job at tracking dps CDs by default? do i need to go in and set stuff up?

[slim dove]

itll track basically everything at first.

i turn off everything but externals and major dps cds

have a separate bar for interrupt tracking

[proud dock]

yeah i was thinking similar, just want to see dps CDs

[rough hearth]

boys anything i can do against Jade Serpent Strike in TJS? Hits like a fucking truck

[jagged pier]

spell 👏 block 👏

[rough hearth]

it didnt work

Serpent Strike i was able to spellshield

but not once she transforms at 70% thats why i ask

[slim dove]

spell block works on everything she does.

[edgy grail]

Rotate def CDs

Take defenders aegis so you have 2 charges

Call for your healers external

And use impending victory to remove the healing absorb

[onyx pike]

whats the best way to tank the final boss in azure vault in high keys?

[rough hearth]

thank you, even looked up the spreadsheet and i even says there itts not reflectable

[loud patrol]

dont get hit by orbs

[onyx pike]

can i just sit on the edge somehwere or is that fixed?

[loud patrol]

nope

[onyx pike]

so kite? just dodge orbs when they come? whats your take?

kite on the edge of the room?

[edgy grail]

Dont move

Use avatar to remove snare

Call for dispell

Save leap

[mighty valley]

is it true that they chase the current highest healing?

oh also reflect dragon strike, it's nasty

[edgy grail]

It’s not but still use it 20% DR is good

[loud patrol]

idk bout that

[stable frigate]

any seasoned prots willing to help a new prot out. clearned norm and 2 H bosses last night but I was told my parses were bad. also had my co tank ripping everything off me. would love some tips to improve. thanks so much

[slim dove]

need logs

[stable frigate]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1gG8bVNKz2ZQRD6k/#playermetric=bossdps&playermetrictimeframe=today&playermetriccompare=statistics&type=summary&comparesearchmetric=dps&comparesearch=2.10.2.28&boss=-3&difficulty=0

[sick sentinel]

is it advised to run intervene for 10 keys to deal with lightning or nah

[slim dove]

love intervene

ill never talent out of it

[loud patrol]

i dont run inter vene my teammates can die

[edgy grail]

I think Im going to try it tbh, it’s good for the dr on teammate too

Prob drop storm bolt?

[slim dove]

never drop bolt in m+

[loud patrol]

bolt is god

[sick sentinel]

ever since DF launched i've been talented out of intervene

[turbid osprey]

Any suggestions on embellishment items outside of Lariat?

[untold coral]

is it better to use ruby welp on an enemy or self to alter how it procs

[mighty valley]

there's a post about it in the pins but the tldr is they're all pretty close so it's fine to just grab whichever one goes on a slot that's currently lower ilvl

[stable frigate]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1gG8bVNKz2ZQRD6k/#boss=-2&difficulty=0&wipes=2&playermetric=bossdps&playermetrictimeframe=today&playermetriccompare=statistics&source=26&view=rankings

[fresh belfry]

pure ST dps build, do I always delay my avatar for demo shout?

[mighty valley]

this mostly looks like a "press more buttons" log, you could be getting much higher casts per minute than you are just now

also you have sudden death but you only cast execute 8 times on terros

[stable frigate]

thank you for this. I definitely felt squishy was focusing on my mitigation with gcds and all my rage. especially in the H fights

[mighty valley]

counterintuitively, focusing on mitigation will hurt your rage economy long term

[strong forum]

breh

youre not using ignore pain

your button usage is good EXCEPT ignore pain usage

[mighty valley]

wait a second yeah

how are you focusing on mitigation if you're pressing IP like... five times a fight

where's all your rage going

[stable frigate]

hmm.

[strong forum]

like you got the correct talent build

but i think youre overusing revenge

to dump rage

and therefor forego SS usage

[fresh belfry]

nomeratur, do I delay my avatar for demo shout, especially if avatar CD gets reduced by a lot during lust?

[strong forum]

dont delay shit

send everything

CDs on CD

[mighty valley]

on a similar length terros fight, where i'm only using IP to avoid overcapping rage, i pressed IP 63 times to your 15

[fresh belfry]

ok i can do that

wasnt sure

feels like if I dont delay 2nd avatar it doesnt line with anything for the rest of the fight

[strong forum]

doesnt matter

[fresh belfry]

perfect, brainless button pressing is my speciality

[stable frigate]

ok so IP focus then that will help with the squishy. thought I was but clearly I wasnt. less revenge more everything else

[mighty valley]

it's not really "IP focus"

it's just focus on generating rage and burning rage

SS > TC > revenge for GCDs

(can drop down SS a bit if you're flooding with rage in aoe situations but that's not most raid fights)

if you generate a lot of rage and keep spending it, mitigation will come for free

[torpid merlin]

Anyone have any insight into taking Fueled by Violence over Brutal Vitality? I see lots of key pushers running Fueled by Violence

[stable frigate]

ok. any idea why i couldn't keep aggro from my prot pally co tank?

[mighty valley]

well they are doing 7k more dps than you

[halcyon plover]

not that puzzle box is a great trinket but you should actually use it if you choose to wear it as well

[turbid osprey]

awesome ty!

[mighty valley]

could just be bursting at bad times, if they're doing more dps they should be the opening tank while you're both doing your opening burst, then taunt should be enough for you to hold

but this is a decently big gap

[strong forum]

the difference between the 2 is neglible

but i think i prefer BrV

as ignore pain has been eaten up quite fast in higher keys

so getting that 15% absorb leech into it does help maintain it a bit

moreso than the on average 2k hps from FbV help

[torpid merlin]

Thank you!

[fresh belfry]

yeah ok "send all" defenitely worth went from 35k to 40k ST

good advice will recommend

[wary heath]

are you all waiting on valor upgrades for another week or so ?

what's the prio

[deep dove]

Is there a haste breakpoint where you take heavy repercussions over Into the frey?

[wary heath]

on slots

[mighty valley]

yeah i'm waiting for things worth upgrading

generally shield > best trinkets (although those are mostly from raid rn) > big stat value slots

[novel temple]

If fbv accounted for all bleeds rather than just deep wounds, it’d be rather good

[strong forum]

well yeah

then itd be nutty

[sleek maple]

I did ring and cloak to R12 and accidentally did my 2nd ring slot 2 ranks just on autopilot which is my biggest regret but those pieces are ones I won't replace for a while based on how little gear I get from raid.

[glacial skiff]

Anyone decide to take intervene in keys just for the sake of easily clearing thundering?

[loud patrol]

after some pugs i had im gonna start doing this

[mighty valley]

nah, usually dps can pre-position in my groups

but i don't really pug

[olive rock]

Booming voice or Battering Ram for more damage in m+ ?

[full violet]

Just unlock valor, i could be 415 already but sitting on 399

[glacial skiff]

I think I’m gonna do it for keys going forward. Tanked a 16 halls yesterday and couldn’t get to warlock in time during the rune phase

[glacial skiff]

Obv we wiped and bricked key. Before that point it’s always been up to dps/heals to clear

[olive rock]

wich one is better ? i cant pick both hehe

[uneven mason]

Can't you

[glacial skiff]

I always thought dps/heals should primarily be clearing or moving to tank to clear, but should tanks be more proactive to clear?

[uneven mason]

Battering ram, leads to more ss resets

[south zealot]

depends

[south zealot]

depends

[mint imp]

hey, what are the best gems to Lariat please?

[glacial skiff]

So helpful. 🥰

[jagged pier]

there is no depends

u run BV in all situations

and battering ram u drop for like BSV if u think u need it

[glacial skiff]

Yeah can’t see battering ram beig better

[jagged pier]

or TLs if u want TLs

[tame blaze]

fierce illimited diamond imo

[glacial skiff]

The primary stat+haste gem and the haste/vers air gem

[south zealot]

?

there is times you can be proactive and times you generally cant

if theres a lot of frontals going out both parties need to be careful to not oneshot a dps

[uneven mason]

Wat

[glacial skiff]

There’s always a rule of thumb. You also just weren’t very helpful and were actually wrong with one response.

[south zealot]

yeah the rule of thumb is to make sure 4 people clear every thundering

how you do it drastically depends on situations

[cinder nova]

Doesn't tier synergize well with BrV?

[slim dove]

last boss RLP, do you chase around dragon to minimize p2 time or focus down troll to minimize movement and tank damage?

[vital oak]

chase

[slim dove]

done both strats now and idk what i prefer

[strong forum]

dont have tier do i

[slim dove]

got yelled at for chasing in an 11 -_-

also first boss rlp, is it just a healer check?

[cinder nova]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-nelson-haha-gif-8845145

[slim dove]

obv drag boss away from chillstorm but idk what else i can do to keep people from dying occasionally

[cinder nova]

Drag? Are people not dropping it away?

Holy fuck what degenerate battlegroup are you stuck in

[vital oak]

1 set of puddles and fire breath is easier than 3 puddles and fire breath, stay in p1 as long as possible imo.

[slim dove]

mal'ganis.

i basically am forced to play with rag/azra/quel, atleast 1 in every group

[spring holly]

who's a good prot warrior streamer to watch? I don't care if they're diehard or a fotm reroller. Just want to see how some are doing m+

[brisk gust]

Rank 2 mats on lariat or rank 3? The proc rate are the same no?

[cinder nova]

https://tenor.com/view/ernest-wee-gross-yuck-gif-8519194

AA's battlegroup groupthink

I want to drop this here because fucking up the uptime and DPS of the entire group and forcing them to move is better than me just pressing move keys.

[daring light]

should sheild slam be my top dmg

[brisk gust]

Rank 2 mats on lariat or rank 3? The proc rate are the same no?

[daring light]

im using outburst stacks on it mostly

[cinder nova]

Yes, for the most part. Cleave is different.

[slim dove]

same 11 we wiped on second boss when healer stood in meteor.

[cinder nova]

Make sure ShB is up for extra demij

[daring light]

whats shb sorry

[slim dove]

literally stood in the ground effect, watched boulder roll into them, and explode.

[cinder nova]

Shield Block.

[daring light]

oh i didnt know that thanks for pointing it out

would help if i read tooltips

[cinder nova]

Read everything before you do anything. Example: heroic leap resets taunt.

[daring light]

shut your filthy whore mouth! i did not know that

[cinder nova]

I mald frequently on Blazehoof. How your group positions explicitly influences where the meteor gets pointed and where the add spawns.

And people can't help but fuck it up.

[slim dove]

i tell them

stand behind her

we rotate counter clockwise

when people listen and see how much a joke it makes the fight, people are flabbergasted

[cinder nova]

mekaniks

[stable frigate]

ok thanks

[spring holly]

random question, what happens to your key again if you go a full week without doing an m+ run?

[cinder nova]

Drops by 1.

Also, it only drops by 1 if you don't do a key of that level or higher.

e.g. if you had an 11 and don't do an 11, you get dropped to a 10.

[spring holly]

ah ok good to know, missing a full week due to the holidays so I was curious what my key would be. Thanks!

[brittle garnet]

yo boys, how big is the nokhud weapon? should i upgrade for valor?

[uneven mason]

Just sneak in a quick smbg, takes 10 min, your family won't notice

[brisk gust]

Rank 2 mats on lariat or rank 3? The proc rate are the same no?

[fathom goblet]

does it worth buying crafted items ?

[sick sentinel]

okay, so i can craft 1 piece with an embellishment and then a bunch without them is that right? i just cant have more than 2 embellishments equipped i think

work order, same thing

[weary python]

Not the right discord channel, but oh well I know 90% of you went with it anyway so I'm gonna ask. For your lariats, did you use R2 or R3 diamond?

[sick sentinel]

i haven't crafted anything at all yet, but i have 2 sparks and a bunch of mats and some gold

[trail laurel]

I want your advise people, what are atm the bis tank trinkets for m+ for forti week 15+ ?

[spring timber]

I have a prot and I’m doing only M+

Which empelishment you suggest guys?

I’m a bit confused,I have saved both sparkles but I’m unsure

[south zealot]

yoyoyyoyoyoyoyoyyoyoyoyoyoyoyo

[south zealot]

Which Embellishments should i use/Spark should i craft on?
1st of all, the power target for Embellishments seems to be around 0.5%-1% power gain over having none at all, so theyre not that important to have the ABSOLUTE best one.

The so far known "Best" Embellishment is considered the "Elemental Lariat" Necklace.
"Infurious Helmet of Vengeance" around 1% dmg output on average.
"Armor Spikes" is alright, nothing special.
"Unstable Frostfire Belt" is solid dps.
"Allied Wrists of Companionship" super solid.
"Frostfire Legguards of Preparation" are bait, you only get the benefit of ~8-10% haste for 10seconds on pull in m+. Useless outside of fresh pulls, cant recommend.
❗ Rest is TBD. ❗

[fathom goblet]

is this elemental lariat worth buying ?

[weary python]

Lariat: Haste/ Verse or Haste/ Crit?

[south zealot]

i went haste crit

[sick sentinel]

i am going to do wrists versa or wrist engi socket

i have made decision personally, cuz bracer are shit, never getting them

2nd one dunno

maybe boots for second craft, non embellishment

[cerulean musk]

What happened to Spell Block?

[south zealot]

nothing

why

[cerulean musk]

It's not in my spell book anymore

[chilly brook]

did you change talents

[south zealot]

did you change talents

[sick sentinel]

you must have unlearned it

[cerulean musk]

hmm where is the talent?

[chilly brook]

[south zealot]

right side

next to bolster

[cerulean musk]

ah

yeah i did

im using tough as nails

[chilly brook]

So you imported a new talent build and didn't realize that wasn't baseline

[ocean prairie]

is manic grieftorch good for us?

[cerulean musk]

Yeah 😦

[south zealot]

idk real gigachad prot warriors use big toe and whatever the shitty idol trinket is

[ocean prairie]

nice

[sick sentinel]

my trinket situation is abysmally royally screwd, SNAFU

[solemn aspen]

Hi any tips for searing blow for kokia ? (rbp 2nd boss)

[south zealot]

rotate defensives

it hurts

[solemn aspen]

like sw and demo ?

[slim dove]

Dark iron cleanse. Bring evoker for cauterize

Rotate defensives

[south zealot]

yes

[slim dove]

Ye

[south zealot]

and pool rage to use ignore pain

if you really need to

[slim dove]

She does nothing to tank between searing blows so

[turbid shuttle]

Spell reflect also, for the DR

[solemn aspen]

ok i will try that

its physical only according to sense sheet

bleed too

[turbid shuttle]

Oh I thought it was magic my bad

Searing...

[slim dove]

Not a bad idea to use it if it lines up with an inferno from the add.

But yeah searing is entirely physical

[sick sentinel]

is the versa proc chest huge bait

[slim dove]

Also pop into def stance

[mighty valley]

i thought for sure defender's aegis was a boring replacement for a busted talent while they cooked up something new but they got me, it's got its uses

[sick sentinel]

its versa mastery on chest, so im already not too interested,

[mighty valley]

we were also all so down on spell block until tyrannical week lmao

[turbid shuttle]

in my experience tanks typically like to talent for dps until they start getting clapped, then turtle up as needed

[slim dove]

Eh we all knew spell block was gonna be big for a few bosses.

[oblique kayak]

Jade Temple said hello - damn they hurt

[cerulean musk]

Quick question... for legacy raids, do they share lockouts?

[gloomy turret]

for first boss in RLP - i found that having group stack close togethor on edge of room, and move boss around edge while having chillstorm placed opposite side of room left that fight to be easy game

[sick sentinel]

yeah, i will just go for shield and wrists probably see what happen i suppose

[gloomy turret]

everytime hailstones come up, move a bit. leaves whole room to get pulled by wind and never stunned

[oblique drift]

I'm having real trouble with dodging the projectiles from the third boss's kick in temple. Is there a reliable way to get around them? Heroic leap is an obvious answer, but it isn't up every time. Does she cast it more often than every 30 seconds?

[gloomy turret]

theres a graphic to see where they go

[oblique drift]

right, but they only come up within the last second or two, no?

[gloomy turret]

as long as your quick after the serpent strike. and move out of circle u should be able to see where and dodge

[lyric geode]

Guys, is there a point to buy the highest mat quality?

For lariat?

[gloomy turret]

i had a tough time at first, but once i figured out how fast i had to move its not bad

[lyric geode]

Because they can rework it

[oblique drift]

hmm yeah I am probably waiting too long to start moving

[gloomy turret]

i pretty much start moving as serpent strike happens, because the kick happens immediately after

boss stays positioned as is

[cerulean musk]

Treemouth's Festering Splinter any good for us? Over Ruby Whelp?

[oblique drift]

yeah I was waiting until she started casting the kick, which I guess is not the way to do it

[lyric geode]

Guys, is there a point to buy the highest quality mats, since they can recraft it.

[gloomy turret]

try moving at end of strike, gives enough time to react i think

[oblique drift]

I will definitely try that next time

[oblique kayak]

the second boss in jade hits so hard on a +17

[gloomy turret]

i havent done a 17 yet, but ive only come up with issues on boss 3 so far. until i figured out what i was doing wrong

[cerulean spear]

guys what trinekt should we be looking for as M+ pwar?

[prisma echo]

Guys how are you using intervene in m+? You just use it on healer every cd? Wanna try it but dont feel how to@use it

[cerulean spear]

no1 using intervene

that iv seen

[prisma echo]

Not true looking on stats ant talents logs

[uneven mason]

Is there an ae in melee range, intervene a ranged

[prisma echo]

What is ae?

[deep dove]

Alabama Erchin

[fast knot]

Intervene is pretty clutch for saving some overeager dps that like to blast their shit all over the place 0.1 seconds after the pull

only because I need them alive to time keys

[prisma echo]

So you just use it every 30 sec on ranged?

or some dps that is getting dmg?

[fast knot]

good example is last boss of Jade Serpent

usually healer since they are the squishiest to intervene so their add doesn't go and fuckin smash their face in

[slim dove]

I pre intervene my dh on some pulls.

Storm eaters boon + dh CDs is...alot.

When I press my entire kit and still see "losing aggro" on half the pack

[crystal dirge]

I'm fairly sure you can't really lose aggro if you play avatar-thunderous-ravager-TC properly

unless your dps super outgears you

[prisma echo]

Also i see there are basicly two builds right now.

1. Heavy Repercusssions + Impenetrable Wall
2. Intro the Fray + Enduring Alacrity

I play first one and im okay with rage management i think im on spot, 10% haste buff is super strong + 5% stamina armor but im curious how are people dealing with rage on that

[fast knot]

our monk spikes past like 600k with that trinket and dust in Academy

I have to intervene him and even after Challenging aggro is still kind of spotty

It's to the point I use one of those zappy boy pots now to hold aggro

[slim dove]

My dh spikes 650 on 6 targets so

[jagged pier]

i dont know where your getting the second build from enduring is not worth it

[prisma echo]

From subcreation

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[prisma echo]

Am i interpreting it wrong?

[jagged pier]

no your using subcreation

[prisma echo]

Why shouldnt i use it? 🙂 i read about it on Reddit im little bit new

If you can guide me why its wrong ill gladly hear to learn new things

[jagged pier]

its just not good it just scrubs what ppl are running that without explanation, and just puts what ppl are runing that doesnt mean its correct

[vagrant relic]

hey guys

what pieces of tier set are prefferable?

[jagged pier]

if you have just started i suggest u should read the wowhead guide

[vagrant relic]

thanks in advance

[jagged pier]

or icy veins guide

and start from there

we also have many many builds in the pins u can use

[prisma echo]

I checked wowhead and icy ill check pins.

Thanks mate!

[mighty valley]

for either initial craft or recraft, better materials gets them closer to reaching higher ilvl, they need less skill/knowledge to get to max with better mats

[sudden palm]

Guys any opinion on the engineering helm for second craft? With solo stat haste seems really good?

[jagged pier]

engi helm is bad

[sudden palm]

Ah ok

I was thinking it'd be good cuz it has fat stats

[jagged pier]

its okay but u can make far better things plus thats potental embleishment slot

and also a tier slot

[sudden palm]

Guess I'll go for versa wrist second then

[fluid shard]

Azure Vault on Tyrannical is just, whew

[limber python]

how are u all doing the tree boss

when the poisons show up if i dont challenging shout the pack they instant kill half my team

but they spawn faster than 120 seconds

[jagged pier]

shocking disclourse

[limber python]

so u can only do that once

[jagged pier]

is your group stacking the add spawn positions?

[limber python]

the adds that poison spawn and immediately go to the healer if i dont aoe taunt

[slim dove]

Stack the spawns.

[limber python]

yes

[slim dove]

Save aoe buttons

[limber python]

the healer hot still rip aggro

[slim dove]

Roar one set, aoe taunt the next?

[jagged pier]

offensive cds one

shocking disclosure another

taunt another

[limber python]

what is shockin discourse

[jagged pier]

potion

does like 1 mil damage on that on tree boss

[limber python]

ty

[cold zealot]

I think some items are not statted correctly.
395 ring has more secondarys but less stamina than 828 Ring

In this Situation id stick with the 828 bc secondarys are about even with the socket and i dont lose haste

[mighty valley]

the left one is a titan matrix crafted blue, i guess they're statted slightly differently, how weird

[cold zealot]

Yeah, its just weird that they are statted differently. For what reason?^^

[clever hull]

Any tips on Feral and Strife this week? Had a healer do 75k and we can't kill it, switching at 6 stacks
Also can't get rage since there are no melees and i'm spamming IP

[limpid anchor]

You can sr the casts

Besides that, group cd management and more dps

[clever hull]

what about how the bosses gain stacks? because i know we all swapped at 6 and then sometimes the other one would still gain stacks
we have a enhance, devestation, and bm

[limpid anchor]

Bcs people still aoe it

We usually swap at 7

[clever hull]

gotcha, is it direct damaging abilities that cause the stacks to go up? I'm assuming dots don't count

[cinder nova]

Honestly, my biggest rage-trigger is Azureblade.

I keep watching DPS die to avoidable damage and it makes me rage.

[fluid shard]

I vow to never charge on this boss, too risky

[proud patrol]

Any tips for Lorewalker Stonestep TotJS? We're getting giga fucked on a +14

[heavy temple]

Can someone take a look at my logs for eranog mythic please?

[limpid anchor]

Cleave does, I’m not sure about dots

Don’t think so so tho

[limpid anchor]

Which one is the lorewalker?

[proud patrol]

The one with the two bosses that you have to switch between

we're dropping like crazy

[limpid anchor]

Ah strife and peril

Ye like 5 lines above I talked about it

[clever hull]

I don't understand how that much damage goes out lol

[limpid anchor]

It’s just the boss

Heal and dps Check

[oblique garnet]

@sweet summit shield check

[proud patrol]

whats sr?

[sweet summit]

in my bags

[sweet summit]

spell reflect

[proud patrol]

which cast can you reflect in that fight? the superiority thing?

[sweet summit]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vS26lkSc_eaulHX7-UY8Uu-7DAHvkScxh3npd0kQn3uvvWsgsQm9ducLUi4R2mb7ieNluVilyq5sQe5/pubhtml#

[limpid anchor]

The one he casts :D

[sweet summit]

check this out

[proud patrol]

ah thats amazing

thank you

[limpid anchor]

But it won’t save your party anyway, it’s just about hitting the checks

[ancient sluice]

Does anyone know how you check stance uptime on logs? It doesn't appear under buffs

[heavy temple]

I feel like I'm getting fucking slapped on Eranog M but I compared myself in terms of HPS/Mit% to other tanks on wcl and it looks kinda similar. Could anyone spare a few min?

[clever hull]

you sr agony

i wonder if spell block is worth taking

[proud patrol]

im just running out of stuff to press in that fight so reflecting a bit is already great

[limpid anchor]

There are a lot of casts, so ye you can use it in temple

[oblique garnet]

What ilvl

[clever hull]

well specifically for peril and strife

[limpid anchor]

Same with ruby

I wouldn’t take the dps loss just for 1 boss, especially bcs your own survivability isn’t the issue there

[fast knot]

I dunno how you do third boss without like omega blaster dps not having spell block

[viral geode]

What is the recommend 418 crafting weapon for prot warriors?

[sweet summit]

398

[obtuse charm]

Is the massive AoE on first boss of ruby life pools falloff damage?

[sweet summit]

the sucky one is yeah

[haughty bronze]

is armor spikes embellishment dog?

[sleek maple]

How do people handle 3rd boss of jade. I spell reflect every other fire buster in P1 but the green absorb dumpsters me in P2. I victory rush it and health pot the absorb and rotate wall and last stand but feels like it's not enough

+16 key 400ilvl

[sweet summit]

"Infurious Helmet of Vengeance" around 1% dmg output on average. 
"Armor Spikes" is alright, nothing special.
"Unstable Frostfire Belt" is solid dps. 
"Allied Wrists of Companionship" super solid.
"Frostfire Legguards of Preparation" are bait, you only get the benefit of  ~8-10% haste for 10seconds on pull in m+. Useless outside of fresh pulls, cant recommend.```
from the pins

[obtuse charm]

Your healer has to dispell the absorb

[cinder storm]

Healer's issue

[sleek maple]

Ah is it dispellable? I just thought it was giga absorb

Thanks.

[amber gate]

is sheild of the heart a good item ?

or was it a waste of gold

[rancid beacon]

anyone have any idea how i can proc the effect of this ring as a protection Warrior?

[obtuse charm]

frostfire belt

[amber gate]

does this item count as an embellishment

[amber gate]

oh

[sweet summit]

[amber gate]

i never realised xD

it looks solid why are tanks not taking it

[sick sentinel]

i message some guy and he says he wants 15k to craft bracers

raid bracers, im not entirely sure

i think you have to go to the raid to get pieces to craft higher than 382 ilvl

[craggy pilot]

is it a tank job to soak orbs in 3rd boss Academy? 🤔

[eager ruin]

Can some1 100% confirm that Liu Flameheart "Jade Serpent Strike" healing absorb is dispellable? If so what type of effect is it? magic ? curse?

[sick sentinel]

it should be in dungeon journal or MDT or failing that wow head i can help u search tho atm

[slim dove]

I usually soak 3-4 with defensive for each spawn.

[loud patrol]

i mean i do it

[slim dove]

Dps can soak with their own defensives also.

[loud patrol]

i soak em in battle

[slim dove]

I mean

Like wall

Not d stance lul

[loud patrol]

oh lmao me too

[slim dove]

But go high enough and you'll want def stance.

[craggy pilot]

just feels so awkward since the boss follows you during it

[slim dove]

Just strafe into em

Your remedial mdps can deal with it

[sick sentinel]

no special notes on jade serpent strike

[fast knot]

I just tell melee to rotate opposite direction of where I go

[sick sentinel]

just seems like a healer check on the tank i guess

[fast knot]

if they get smacked by frontal I get to yell at them

[viral geode]

Obsidian Seared Slicer vs. Primal Molten Longsword ?

[slim dove]

You'd think you wouldn't have to tell mdps that

[fast knot]

zug zug a little too strong

[slim dove]

Fr fr.

Iq of average mdps is room temp I swear.

[sick sentinel]

you'd think after 50 years of video gaming that ppl would know to attack from behind too

[warm plinth]

I've never played another game besides WoW that required me to attack enemies from the back on a regular basis unless it was like a stealth game.

[sick sentinel]

.... that is catagorically wrong...

dark souls backstab example

[warm plinth]

You are not required to backstab

[sick sentinel]

old games where the weak spot of the big boss if you go behind and shoot his legs and back of head on the giant robot

[warm plinth]

I've never played a game that had that

[sick sentinel]

DS backstab became a meme because it worked plain and simple is what ill say

[warm plinth]

Sure, but not everyone has played Dark Souls so it doesn't necessarily mean anything in terms of what people might have learned from games in 50 years.

[obsidian rampart]

Hi guys, i just got the 4 part so i dont need press anymore IP right ?

[sturdy sable]

No you'll still press it to dump excess rage

Much like how youd be pressing it before

[obsidian rampart]

I dont dump my rage into revenge ?

[mighty valley]

you should be getting more rage than you can dump into revenge alone

[obsidian rampart]

Ok ty !

[outer sluice]

what you boys crafting ?

[sick sentinel]

trying to craft wrists right now, but im trying to figure out if there is a downside to using rank 2 bars or rank 1 instead of rank 3

[ornate portal]

higher rank bars = easier to make rank 5

[pallid quiver]

In contrast, using real world thinking, I've always defaulted to attacking things from behind even if I get zero benefit from it in games because that's where you'd prefer to murder someone from

always wild how experiences shape people and how often people completely neglect that whole idea

[quiet monolith]

When I murder someone I prefer to look into their eyes but to each their own

[sick sentinel]

is there some kind of graph that shows the ilvl you get for what rank on purples using spark

that and how do i recieve it after it says "completed"

[brave portal]

Do i take Cobalt DPS ring or tank ring?

given that my level, im fine on defence

[slim dove]

dps ring

tank ring is overkill

[brave portal]

its replacing a 356 so 😄

got the deeps ring

[proud dock]

do u guys actually track IP? i feel like its not even worth having a weakaura bar for it since its always up

[sick sentinel]

no, because, you don't want 100% ip uptime

[patent hull]

Yeah I had one and deleted it

[sick sentinel]

its all about trying to predict if you are going to need melee protection, magic protection, or general protection on a fight

[proud dock]

i meant to say, since rage dump normally happens i dont need to track it

[loud patrol]

i like the tank ring

[sudden grotto]

what are the best pieces of gear u can craft with spark of ingenuity?

[loud patrol]

never procs whe i need it

[sick sentinel]

fist weapon still has limitation of you can only xmog to another fist weapon right?

[loud patrol]

no idea

you can transmog 1h swords to fists weapons

[warm plinth]

you can transmog any weapon to any other weapon except like daggers and wands I think

as long as it's 1h>1h and 2h>2h

[loud patrol]

i want my wand prot warrior :c

[warm plinth]

daggers can only be mogged as daggers and wands can only be mogged as wands, with the exception of legion artifact appearances I believe

[glacial skiff]

How is this spec for prot for dungeons that hurt?

Also notice some prot warriors running sidearm. Is it worth even talking that? Kinda feel like that talent is mostly unnecessary and lackluster for prot.

[strong forum]

does damgur

[crystal dirge]

is slicing maelstrom on Melandrus bugged? It seems like it just does the double dmg with no respect to range

[cinder nova]

We take sidearm because it's free damage we don't have to think about (~1% - 2% depending) and because we need to put in points to move to the next tier.

[cinder nova]

Does double the damage if you're standing near an image or boss. It's not damage fall-off, it's yes/no on extra damage.

[fair stump]

Lariat bis to use sparks on? Or should I craft a weapon

[cinder nova]

Whatever tickles the pickle, tbh. Lariat is good, but overvalued. You can even safely ignore embellishments and still be top-end.

[glacial skiff]

Why tho? You don’t need sidearm, just take stormbolt and call it a day

I’d much rather have bounding stride too

[slim dove]

its free damage.

[cinder nova]

You don't need bounding tbh.

Sidearm is easy to give up if you don't want it, but you're doing less damage for [checks notes] CDR on leap.

Also you should probably go UnstF if you're not turtling.

[crystal dirge]

We stacked them in one corner, went to the opposite side and it did massive dmg, like unhealable

[cinder nova]

IO is kinda goof.

[crystal dirge]

Then we said fuck it do it random, and it was fine

[stark fox]

Is Strike Twice better than the crafted embellishment?

[cinder nova]

You also need Intim shout.

CC > CDR on leap

CC can keep your group alive. You leaping and sprinting seldom will.

Keep in mind for M+ a lot of what we don't have isn't because it's bad, it's because a lot of other shit is going to see miles more use and be more useful more often.

[glacial skiff]

Yeah, I take intimidating shout,

[cinder nova]

Not in that build.

[formal oak]

how to use intim shout properly? emergency interrupt?

[cinder nova]

Basically.

[warm plinth]

Do you have a log by chance? It's worth investigating at least.

[ancient cosmos]

any idea how to add sockets to rings, like that hotfix? tiered medallion is neck only no?

[cinder nova]

It's just there to AOE "kick", good for unkickable attacks too.

[frozen rose]

any place to look up stat caps?

[cinder nova]

Caps? Like... haste cap?

[frozen rose]

ya

[cinder nova]

You're not going to reach any stat caps anytime soon.

Or... ever.

Except block, maybe.

And that's still of very little consequence.

[sudden grotto]

guys, what's the best gear to craft with spark of ingenuity?

[frozen rose]

k stats weren't reflecting changes in a socket/ring i had added so was wondering

[cinder nova]

/shrug

[warm plinth]

There's no such thing as a stat cap anyway. Like even if you somehow hit the maximum stat that would give an effect, the stat itself would still increase

[sick sentinel]

i got tired of being a no boots no bracers having guy so i made some shit ones for now

[crystal dirge]

I'll uplaod in a sec I think I do with rio client

[sick sentinel]

just a ring for epic

[cinder nova]

I'm on a dead server so I can't get my BSing past 67 unless I spam Master's Hammer 🫠

No work orders.

[warm plinth]

that sucks

[sick sentinel]

yep

some game i played, you have to manage sleep, eating, thirst something else, requires you go all over the place through zombeis

later on, there is an ice tea you make that and that replenishes 3 of those 4 meters u need to live, easily farmable, is BS

[raw carbon]

Do we ever slam / whirlwind?

[warm plinth]

Nope

You can remove them from your bar

[novel temple]

Honestly I think most servers might be dead for crafting orders

[light plinth]

Brutal vitality or fueled by violence for raid?

[warm plinth]

Public orders are kind of a joke

[novel temple]

I looked on Illidain and nothing was up for a majority of items

[warm plinth]

yeah, not being able to request quality hurts public orders a lot

[serene steppe]

People want the best quality and not many people can do those. Not to mention that crafted stuff is already getting replaced from m+ and raids

Crafting is irrelevant before it even started

[warm plinth]

Well that's just not true

[serene steppe]

Seems pretty true

[hardy ridge]

Its not true tho

[warm plinth]

You can craft up to 418 ilevel which is mythic raid level gear. There are plenty of people who don't raid mythic or don't raid at all. And that's 13 ilevel higher than you can get from the end of a dungeon

And 3 ilevel higher than you can upgrade to with valor

[nimble laurel]

Hmmm for M+, should I do Frostfire Belt, Lariat, or Allied Wrists of Companionship?

I'd be curious to know what % of overall damage the belt does for people.

[floral river]

Lariat seems to be universally 'good'

[graceful sundial]

how's burgeoning seed?

[dry kayak]

Super meh

[unkempt pollen]

how often should I be using ignore pain? I am fairly new to prot war and not certain if I should just use it for big hits or as much as possible

[warm plinth]

Use it to prevent overcapping rage when revenge isn't enough

That is to say, fairly often but don't think you have to mash the shit out of it either

[unkempt pollen]

That's good to know. Seems like a "rage dump" in a way

[warm plinth]

Don't pay attention to the cap or uptime. Just use it as a rage dump

[unkempt pollen]

great, thanks for confirming for me

[proud dock]

how many sprouts can u guys usually get with the frontal, first boss AV

i heard 6 but the cone is narrow AF and boss slow AF

can usually get 4

[edgy grail]

Depends on spawns ofc

4 is more than enough

[craggy pilot]

you dont rly need to take more than 4 though

you should be able to take all with circles afterwards

and positioning the boss sounds like a lot of work to just do 1 or 2 more sprouts

[edgy grail]

Right but the more you take in the first the lower the risk

[craggy pilot]

tru

[edgy grail]

But yea 4 is good

[proud dock]

ok cuz im been trying to get 6+ and keep putting my self too close to sproout tkaing the aoe from it

[hard timber]

is our 4p actually good or meaningful in regards of survivabilty? like does it change alot for us?