protection

[lusty grotto]

or bigwigs

[azure narwhal]

Imma ask again since it wasn’t answered. How much DPS should I be at as a prot at 361 ilvl? Will be 380+ within a week or so.

[lusty grotto]

exrt also

[azure narwhal]

Big wigs is life

[lusty grotto]

🤷 i use dbm

but im NA

[azure narwhal]

Im NA aswell

Bigwigs yells at you for anything you want it to in the config. I have it set to yell primal storm for instance during vault once I hit 5 stacks so I know to move into fire.

[lusty grotto]

so does dbm

anyway

moving on

[azure narwhal]

I just couldn’t get DBM working so I gave up lol

[vapid turtle]

why am i the only one using the mainstat socket, is it not worth using over the secondary one?

[lusty grotto]

you shouldn't be

[jagged ferry]

What is the shield tha twe should be crafting>

[azure narwhal]

Primal shield

But

BIS is something completely different.

[lusty grotto]

i just dont give a shit enough to put it on a piece im likely to upgrade

and i assume that's the case for everyone

just check their lariats, and youll see a lot have it

[jagged ferry]

Whats BIS? I ahve Elemental Lariat, wha tshould be next?

[vapid turtle]

ok ty

[lusty grotto]

there's no BiS

get what you need

i dont even have fucking lariat

[azure narwhal]

I guess primal shield is BIS after this maintenance so I was mistaken.

[lusty grotto]

huh

[azure narwhal]

Icey did a bunch of maintenance to rewrite shit

Not WoW maintenance lmao should have specified.

[lusty grotto]

who the hell is icey

[azure narwhal]

Icyveins

I haven’t slept yet

[lusty grotto]

also primal molten shield, a lot of us crafted on week 1 of DF release

[azure narwhal]

Brain is running on half a braincell atm

[lusty grotto]

there's still no such thing as "BiS"

you go for ilvl, then focus stats, thats it

classic wow mentality

which doesnt really apply here

except for REALLY REALLY rare cases

[wintry nymph]

crafting orders not working rn?

[lusty grotto]

like OWS and shit

[sly prism]

thoughts on the static-charged shell?

scale*

[viscid furnace]

does it matter what weapon you have. Sword, axe, mace?

[uneven mason]

Did some of those world PvP things for the first time yesterday...got into it with a guardian druid going toe to toe for like 10minutes until we had "collateral damage" killed enough DPS who were stupid enough to get in melee range to complete the objective... quite hilarious

[modern brook]

Weapons have been normalized for like a decade just use highest ilvl/sim

[viscid furnace]

Cheers

[uneven mason]

Since cataclysm, then damage was further normalized in wod with the shift to ap conversion

[scarlet vault]

Hello how much hast should i have?

[lusty grotto]

all of it

[uneven mason]

Tfw you have a DPS throw a fit because there's 2 tanks in the party

[lusty grotto]

there are no hard caps

you keep going haste forever

[edgy grail]

126% is the hard cap

[modern brook]

[edgy grail]

Since you can’t get higher than that from gear

[marble cipher]

So, many pugs now seem to completely flop over on tyran court of stars last boss.
Is it worth me speccing in to the party shield wall to help out? Or is it maybe 'not my problem to fix'?

[modern brook]

Both tbh

[lusty grotto]

idk about that

[edgy grail]

Why wouldn’t you help

[lusty grotto]

other players have group cds as well

[modern brook]

Party sw also probably won't be up enough to actually matter

[edgy grail]

If you want to keep failing dont help

[lusty grotto]

the sole responsability shouldn't rely on group wall

[modern brook]

Esp without coordinating persobals

The party damage is like every 20?ish seconds

[lusty grotto]

yup

its possible to use it once

[marble cipher]

Slightly further apart, but yeah, don't think there will be many overlaps with party wall

[lusty grotto]

its possible to use rally on the next one

then you'd be equally fucked

after that

[edgy grail]

You can play intervene to relieve some pressure

[lusty grotto]

if your group isn't cycling group defensives, you're gonna be 1000% fucked either way

[marble cipher]

Yeah

[modern brook]

Yeah

Iunno

[lusty grotto]

intervene vs rally... nah

[modern brook]

There's Def things to do to help

[marble cipher]

Gonna run it at 15 later with a full group on discord. No pugs, will see how it feels then

[edgy grail]

Sure but that doesn’t mean you helping cant be the difference

[lusty grotto]

youre doing too much

[modern brook]

But frankly this is one of those things that pugs are going to crash into till like week 12 and they realize oh hmm top streamer presses defensive nodders better do that

[uneven mason]

DPS not using personal cd - wtf tank!

[marble cipher]

Aye

Wtf healer, usually there though

[lusty grotto]

darkness, the wings shit from evokers, there's a lot of group cds

not counting personals

[edgy grail]

Darkness is shit for that damage

[lusty grotto]

healthstones

avoidance enchants

[lusty grotto]

everything is shit for that damage

[uneven mason]

Spirit Link totem again comes in like the baller MacTruck

[lusty grotto]

darkness is better than nothing

so its still a net gain

[edgy grail]

If you get unlucky you can literally all get hit lol

[lusty grotto]

🤷

i dont see your point

we all know how darkness works

its still better than nothing

why are you grasping at straws here

[edgy grail]

My point is that as a tank you should try to help as much as yoy can on fights where you just afk

[lusty grotto]

you can only help so much

[uneven mason]

Isn't that what darkness is mechanically

[edgy grail]

Yes ofc….

[lusty grotto]

bending over for an extra cd for one fight that will be covered by gear or correct group cd cycles is kinda weird

unless youre exclusively pugging

[modern brook]

The question is is losing throughput worth taking a party defenive

And on a fight with damage thay frequeny

[uneven mason]

Especially a RNG defensive

[modern brook]

Well no

Darkness isn't an opportunity cost for fh

[edgy grail]

Which they LITERALLY said they were pugging

[modern brook]

Not like party sw is

[lusty grotto]

at some point pugging still needs to rely on coordination

a high enough key level

[edgy grail]

Idek what you are on about at this point

Judt talking nonsense

[lusty grotto]

so are you

[modern brook]

"The damage intake of that fight is not conducive to party sw being an effective means of damage mitigation"

Does that help

[lusty grotto]

youd rather take group wall than rely on net gains from group cds that are always taken

because pugging

[edgy grail]

If I believe that its the difference in the group yes it is

You just said 10 lines ago that pugs suck

But you want to rely on them to use CDs properly

Just doesn’t make sense

[lusty grotto]

i said

and i repeat

[edgy grail]

[lusty grotto]

first of all he didnt even specify what key he was doing

key level that is

[urban bane]

does rally exacerbate grievous?

[modern brook]

In the sense that there is more health so %healing thresholds are harder - technically yeah, but the dot is a static amount so it still helps live through things. Healers can suck it if they're bitching

[uneven mason]

Literally hardly plus oned a 7 hov dpsing for a friend because they wanted to learn tanking

Because no coordination

[lusty grotto]

cant expect to cycle defensives on a 14 even with group wall, but an 18 pug then that's another story and group wall there might hold more value

[uneven mason]

It provides the increased health as a boost so relatively when it's pressed it helps,

But yeah after that it can make healing more annoying

[urban bane]

that was my thought

im not going to not press rally to help party survive a mechanic because "oh but what about grievous"

[uneven mason]

Kek

[modern brook]

Yeah uou still send rally when needed

I've heard but not confirmed that second wind isn't stopped by grevious damage

[frosty cove]

does anyone know of a good resource for what keys spell block is good for?

[lusty grotto]

temple

[modern brook]

Which could be a big talent tech if true, though prolly more for the dps specs

[frosty cove]

im running it in temple, sbg, rlf so far

trying to figure out when/where to use

[lusty grotto]

uhh

[modern brook]

The reflect sheet in pins also includes if something is spell blockable, feel free to draw your own conclusions from that

[lusty grotto]

you shouldnt need it in SBG

[urban bane]

The spell reflect spreadsheet has a good overview of what is blockable, it is kinda buried in pins ATM: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vS26lkSc_eaulHX7-UY8Uu-7DAHvkScxh3npd0kQn3uvvWsgsQm9ducLUi4R2mb7ieNluVilyq5sQe5/pubhtml#

[lusty grotto]

RLP for kokia maybe idk

[frosty cove]

sweet htanks

[edgy grail]

Temple and RLP

[minor helm]

That’s how it worked in slands

[frosty cove]

sbg its fine for the skeles early in fort

the void s lash

i think

[lusty grotto]

can just DR with SR

[minor helm]

Not sure if it’s changed or not

[modern brook]

Imaginenrunning 2nd bin in sl

[minor helm]

Doubt it

Painsmith stonks

[modern brook]

Oh true

[minor helm]

Bull I maybe go prot now

[modern brook]

I'll trade

[minor helm]

Arms ST kinda owns now too

[lusty grotto]

wat happen

[minor helm]

Off tank swapped from monk in slands to bear and not sure it’s looking hot

[lusty grotto]

lol how does that even happen

[modern brook]

Smh he can swap back

[lusty grotto]

bear is so easy

[edgy grail]

Bear is boring

Maybe they are falling asleep

[lusty grotto]

absolutely

[reef holly]

What’s everyone’s shield block uptime % when running mythic plus? I’m around 67-69%

[lusty grotto]

it'll depend on your downtime

but chain pulling should be at 100%

its probably best to check logs for an actual uptime percent on attacks

if you have a lot of downtime

and/or RP fights

and/or flying over mobs

which should count as downtime

[reef holly]

Yeah I’m just checking on details add on at the moment

[modern brook]

Do wclogs count time out of combat?

[lusty grotto]

shouldn't be too accurate, again depending on dungeon downtime

[edgy grail]

Yes it does

Details is combat only

[modern brook]

Ahh

Had em backwards

[edgy grail]

Wcl is the whole key

Thats why WCL dps is usually lower

[modern brook]

I do my best damage out of combat, tyvm

[lusty grotto]

actually that's true

if that's the case then yes it should be 100%

[edgy grail]

Well vlose to

[grave crane]

Off tank in raid switched from Pally to DK cause he was dying to shit so that’s gonna be a fun watch on Saturday

[edgy grail]

Sometimes you can tag from a distance

But 70% def seems low

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[reef holly]

So what should my % look like in details? Or is it inaccurate and irrelevant?

[lusty grotto]

like he mentioned

close to 100%

[edgy grail]

I think 90%+ is pron good enough

But something more relevant

[lusty grotto]

agreed

[edgy grail]

Is looking at yiur deaths

[reef holly]

Damn son- I’m doing something wrong then

[edgy grail]

Look at them and see why you died

[reef holly]

I find myself rage starved often- maybe I’m spamming revenge too much

[lusty grotto]

that's probably the case

[neon elk]

Or ip

[lusty grotto]

well if hes rage starved and pressing IP, hes doing it wrong

unless, and only unless, against magic damage only mobs

[uneven mason]

If you're spamming revenge, you should have a lot of ss resets

Ss is priority

It does more DMG than revenge under 5~ targets

[reef holly]

Do you all use a specific weakaura (made from someone else) for everything, or make your own?

[modern brook]

Honestly sounds like barbaric training

[reef holly]

I’m talking about those all spec weakaura templates you can find

[lusty grotto]

im personally using Nome's

but any are generally fine

[modern brook]

I use aefnars and trim the fat

[uneven mason]

I just use the warrior pack on wago ATM, but I don't really like it since it doesn't prioritize protection stuff (like sb icon is not prominently displayed)

[lusty grotto]

atrocity/afenar/luxthos

[uneven mason]

Yeah aefnars

[lusty grotto]

i trust in Nome's

[reef holly]

Cheers fellow warrior frens

[uneven mason]

In Nom we trust

[lusty grotto]

but i suppose its not too new player friendly maybe

[modern brook]

I like nomes but I use aefnar for all characters and I don't wanna have to make a new ui for prot

[reef holly]

I found that the afenar one was a bit cluttered

[modern brook]

You cut alot out

I remove like the entirety of the utility section

Ultimately weak auras are a personal thing

[lusty grotto]

yeah like most UIs

[modern brook]

Either you deal with what you dislike about a paxk

Or you make your own

[reef holly]

Yea ok- I’ve mostly made my own to prioritize the shit I need, but when I watch some of these ppl on twitch, they have cool lookin ones XD

[lusty grotto]

its probably one of those 4

well

atrocity, afenar, luxthos, naowh's or nome's

[reef holly]

Where can I find Nomes? It doesn’t immediately show in google

[lusty grotto]

five i guess

https://wago.io/RwQjeeIek/

[reef holly]

Cheers

[hard timber]

4 keys 4x people leave because they die on osses

can we time a key this week

[sweet summit]

i have entered four keys this week

i have completed two keys this week

[obsidian path]

Haven't entered a key this week, tonight

[edgy grail]

I’m 4 for 6

[hard timber]

i wish i just complete one

i am only doing 14´s.. its not that bad 😦

[jagged pier]

i have entered 11 keys this week and completed 11 not all in time tho

oh no wait

12 entered

11 finished

[oblique wharf]

Guys, is pandaren actually a good for a prot warrior?

[thorny quiver]

going from 405 with writ 3 to 418 with devo 3 only 400 dps increase?

[jagged pier]

race doesnt matter

[edgy grail]

Yes it does

Panda is thick

Thick is noce

[oblique wharf]

yeah i know race doesn't matter actually, but im wondering how cool is panda 😄

[stark jewel]

imo the best play race wise is to choose a race that plate tmog looks good on

thats about it

[vapid turtle]

Frozen Devotion or Sophic Devotion better if u raid and m+

[stark jewel]

in st frozen simmed higher for me

[jagged pier]

once u hit max lvl

[stark jewel]

but I think sophic might be better for m+

[jagged pier]

sophic

is better

[vapid turtle]

ok

[modern brook]

Double food buffs kinda pog this expansion

[vagrant relic]

hey guys where can I read about some neat reflection usages in mythic+?

[drifting fable]

theres a spreadsheet in pins with all the reflectable stuff

[vagrant relic]

thanks

[thin nova]

hey guys i just got slapped by the first boss of ruby life pools. Can someone explain to me what happened exactly because i doin't know what i need to watchout for

[drifting fable]

isnt first boss just kill whelps and dodge ice?

[thin nova]

yep but she was destroying me trough my block and ignore pain

[lusty grotto]

as a chef i dont know what you mean

[drifting fable]

maybe your healer didnt dispel

idk

that boss generally isnt the issue of that dung tbh

[lusty grotto]

are you using shield block, are you reflecting her nukes?

do you have logs?

[thin nova]

no logs

i am using shiled block and i try to reflect but she casts it every 2 sec

[lusty grotto]

logs might help

the nuke is blockable

so its not just spell reflect youre relying on

[thin nova]

i will log next time as group fell apart because of me 😄

[lusty grotto]

what key level was this and whats your shield ilvl?

did you die to whelps perhaps?

or when specifically are you dying

[uneven mason]

This shit, so many healers like "wat I have a dispel?"

[drifting fable]

its rough in the streets

[plush tendon]

The first boss of RLP does so much damage; we were having trouble with it on a 17....

[lusty grotto]

well its tyrannical

either way im asking @thin nova

[uneven mason]

Those whelps can put you at 8 stacks stupidly fast

[strange lintel]

whats the command prompt for the cosmetic necrolord banner

[olive rock]

Wich stabilishments its better for prot ?

[strange lintel]

is brv still bugged?

[lusty grotto]

brv?

[strange lintel]

brutal vitality

[lusty grotto]

no idea tbh

i'd have to check logs

[ebon geyser]

I'm scared to lvl warrior and getting nerfed

[lusty grotto]

i know that BSV was fixed, but we need confirmation on brut vitality

[strange lintel]

we already got nerfed

[ebon geyser]

Wut

What they did

[strange lintel]

pins

[lusty grotto]

if youre scared of nerfs, why play at all

any class for that matter

[edgy grail]

I mean I’m scared of nerfs

But I just reroll if I care enough

[strange lintel]

meta chasers

[edgy grail]

Ez

Yes

I can play every tank

[strange lintel]

you obv cant lol

[edgy grail]

Why wouldn’t I play the best one?

[strange lintel]

if youre scared of nerfs

[edgy grail]

“Scared” is a loose term

I play whatever is best

[sand kettle]

should play the tank you enjoy most tbh

[strange lintel]

yeah okay good luck with this combo

xfd this guy

[edgy grail]

I dont need luck

I have more time than the average person

So its easy for me to just reroll if I want to

[oblique garnet]

Only issue with rerolling atm is that its very expensive

[edgy grail]

This guy is acting like most good tanks only play 1 tank class 🫠

[toxic pewter]

I play prot warr and prot warr accessories

[brisk gust]

Starting to like Diurnas Ring + Waist https://gyazo.com/25519112bbffb4f7254459f957caabe8

[obsidian path]

I play warriors and reroll on warriors

[brisk gust]

Its not huge but like the little extra

[oblique garnet]

Did you loot the ring from a pug or

[brisk gust]

Vault

[oblique garnet]

Oh

Gz

[toxic pewter]

Nice that’s pretty good combo

[brisk gust]

Would say both together is like 1k passive dps increase

[toxic pewter]

I want that now

[proud dock]

icyveins guide says use pure haste gems but i see people using the dual stat gems. how do i figure out whats best for me w/o capping on combos on simc?

[solemn loom]

Guys i just dropped the 2nd piece for my Set Piece but its 10 ilvl below. Is 2nd Set Still more worth to equip?

[brisk gust]

2 set is 4 % dmg increase + 4% dmg decrease

so ye

imo

[sick sentinel]

someones suggestion for orc human heritage

[toxic pewter]

I love having 2 set def worth taking imo

[solemn loom]

Aight! Ty Guys

[lusty grotto]

i think you misunderstood

[proud dock]

what im referring to

[lusty grotto]

it depends on your server market

there are 0 haste gems on my server

[proud dock]

oh didnt think that was a reason lmao

[lusty grotto]

also technically double stats has a higher budget

which is probably the most important part

@ionic fern you awake? thoughts?

[uneven mason]

I run haste crit

[lusty grotto]

same

the budget is probably the best explanation

88 haste vs 70 crit 33 haste 70 haste 33 crit for a total of 103 stats

[heavy temple]

I was told my SB and IP uptime was bad by a healer in a 16. Is there a way to see only "incombat" time for a dungeon

[lusty grotto]

details is all combat as mentioned by danielsooon earlier today

[heavy temple]

I have like 81% SB, and 75% IP,but he had a bunch of wipes

ah okay

[lusty grotto]

and it makes sense, cause it shouldn't track downtime

[heavy temple]

ah right, but logs do ithink, or? thats why dps is lower there

So i guess 81%/75% is pretty bad

[lusty grotto]

well

you have to consider if you're ranged pulling

[brisk gust]

Lads do you know if you even have to press IP if u have 4 set?

[lusty grotto]

you still press it to dump rage

[edgy grail]

What did you die to?

And yes ofc you need to IP to spend rage

Its off gcd

[heavy temple]

Nothing

except one 5 wolf pull

[edgy grail]

So what are they complaining about?

[heavy temple]

but that was back to back

[edgy grail]

🫠

[heavy temple]

5 wolf into 5 wolf xD

THEY GOT NERFED OK

[brisk gust]

Cant u just dump rage into revenger

with 4 set

[heavy temple]

I wanted to try

[sick sentinel]

5 and 4

[brisk gust]

revenge*

[edgy grail]

Revenge is not off the gcd

[lusty grotto]

can you revenge off gcd?

[sick sentinel]

right is 5 left is 4

[brisk gust]

Ah true

[heavy temple]

5% of dps into IP?

thats like 3k hps

at best

[sick sentinel]

whats your ilvl

[heavy temple]

400

[sick sentinel]

ok you shouldnt die to wolves at 16

[heavy temple]

well entire party was dead

[lusty grotto]

well at least not in tyrannical week

[heavy temple]

Okay

[lusty grotto]

they still fucking chunk

its the reason most routes dont double pull them

[heavy temple]

As said, I went in, after a tough pull, with basically no cds

[lusty grotto]

i mean if you died, when the party was dead... im not seeing the problem lol

[heavy temple]

I just started tanking this season

so I want to improve

[tawny kiln]

step 1

[heavy temple]

no matter if my party is dumb or not

[tawny kiln]

blame the healer

[lusty grotto]

so you double pulled wolves with your party dead?

[heavy temple]

nono

party died

during the double pull

[lusty grotto]

to what

so they stood in front

like idiots

[brisk gust]

dont double pull wolves not worth

[tawny kiln]

step 2: blame the dps

[heavy temple]

I know, it was a mistake

[lusty grotto]

speaking of which

[heavy temple]

well thats what i do not want to do

[lusty grotto]

double pulling wolves is $$ with a WW monk to RoP you

[lusty grotto]

you learn from mistakes, so yes you want to make mistakes

[sick sentinel]

at 400 ilvl you can double pull wolves no prob

just sw

[lusty grotto]

and have jesus take the wheel for whoever gets jumped on

[heavy temple]

as i said, no cds

[sick sentinel]

do the 5 on the right then left

left is 4

what did you use it on lol

[heavy temple]

the wolve pack I lived?

[lusty grotto]

uhh

[severe steeple]

they can kinda qreck your group with leaps, esp if you have a 2/8 M 402 ilvl druid that can't ursol

[lusty grotto]

im so confused

[sick sentinel]

left 4 pack doesnt need sw

[chrome heath]

How does spell block works, is it a 100% block or has a chance to block spells?

[lusty grotto]

same as SB

but for spells

[heavy temple]

This discussion is derailing

[wintry nymph]

did blizzard say anything about when they are gonna fix the crafting orders?

[heavy temple]

thanks for the help

[lusty grotto]

SB up? 100% block for block value amount up to 60% of armor

[prisma crane]

it just allows SB to also block spells, so you need to have SB active as well

[chrome heath]

oh i see, all that time i thought its 100% block lol

[lusty grotto]

i mean, it applies to blocks

[sick sentinel]

i would be okay with paying a medium size amount of gold to reset my knowledge points for 1 professsion

[lusty grotto]

and you can force 100% block chance with SB

[sick sentinel]

the way to deal with that is to pull the 2 first, wait for like 2 sec, let them jump once, then pull the 3, desync the jumps, also ask your ranged to spread, as the wolves get out of range of each other they lose the damage buff

2.5k - 10 k gold

[prisma crane]

it would have to be over a million gold this early in the expansion for players to not abuse that

[lusty grotto]

yup i do that already, im just directing towards the guy's experience

[sick sentinel]

1 month cooldown would stop it

[prisma crane]

would help at least

[sick sentinel]

90 day cooldown with a giant ARE YOU SURE? message

10k gold

[lusty grotto]

nah

too many cons

i would lie if i didnt say i would love a reset, but

[prisma crane]

as much as i love being able to reset, it kinda has to be this way

[lusty grotto]

its probably not worth it

[prisma crane]

and it took me a while to see that

[lusty grotto]

🤝 krotos

[prisma crane]

yea

🤝

[sick sentinel]

how about, the more points you have the less it costs, starts at 10k, if u have a fuck load of points it only costs 2.5k or 5k gold, but it still on CD 90 days

[lusty grotto]

you cant justify it

by anything

with enough weeks you can course correct

[uneven mason]

You can literally level a fresh character and the trades in a week

[lusty grotto]

and it doesnt affect the trader economy

hell, with a week you can course correct if youre a sweaty weekly knowledge grinder

[uneven mason]

Like the first 60 points are stupidly easy to gain

[lusty grotto]

and also fuck dragon knowledge for never dropping

[uneven mason]

Loool glad I'm not the only one who feels that way

[lusty grotto]

i swear i only get 1 a week

[prisma crane]

would have to be reverse of that anyways

you talking about the epic items?

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[prisma crane]

i aint got shit

[uneven mason]

I think we're only supposed to get one a week

[lusty grotto]

its weird cause there are caps that are properly communicated

no ive def seen 2x drop in a key run

for the same person

iridescent shards/ore for example are hard capped

charged stones for miners arent, but they are so unbelievably rare

even with pumped up perception

i basically got tired of doing shovels tbh

for dragon knowledge or w/e

[slim dove]

what

you dont like

farming dirt?

#content

[lusty grotto]

im also very close to capping rep so

[slim dove]

idk just do 10 11-16s?

or is it for just the sake of it

[lusty grotto]

huh

wdym

i already do keys

[slim dove]

for primal infusions

like why do you care about capping rep besides that

[lusty grotto]

that's not what we're talking about

[slim dove]

ah

nm then

[lusty grotto]

cause dirt gives rep items

and dragon knowledge

[uneven mason]

I mean related but we're talking about the ways you can grind tradeskill points

[onyx matrix]

Hey folks, do you know when we get our 3d spark?

[slim dove]

next week

[uneven mason]

Next week

[onyx matrix]

Sweet

[lusty grotto]

its every 2 weeks

[uneven mason]

Can't wait to craft my uh....... breastplate

[lusty grotto]

up to 5

then it'll drop off everything after that

[slim dove]

like legion legendaries. super rare, built in bad-luck mechanic

[onyx matrix]

Im just not 100% what I should waste it on. I crafted pvp boots (yeah I know) 2nd spark was for shield and 3rd idk yet. Any suggestions?

[uneven mason]

Wait no, going weapon

[slim dove]

neck, lariat.

[onyx matrix]

Ok, ty

[uneven mason]

Shield weapon neck

[onyx matrix]

Yeah, guess ill go for wep then. Shield is so important

[uneven mason]

Because my luck with 1h weapons has been ass

[onyx matrix]

Had a ret pala Rolling for tank shield yesterday and win it

[wicked oriole]

After the neck what are you guys using your spark on? Shield or weapon?

[onyx matrix]

Whats your ilvl on your shield?

[wicked oriole]

Weapon and shield at 385

[onyx matrix]

Id craft a shield then 😄

[wicked oriole]

Thanks to primal invasions lol

Thank you

Any particular shield?

[lusty grotto]

molten defender

[modern brook]

Sounds like you greeded tbh

Off spec need rolls are under mainspec

[lusty grotto]

he could have had prot loot spec, no?

im not entirely sure if that factors in

[toxic pewter]

Yah sounds like he was in prot loot spec

[lusty grotto]

tbh it kinda seems like loot spec should be overriden with group loot

kinda seems weird they left it in

[toxic pewter]

I mean he could easily switch to dps spec and take a 2hander the guy wants so it all equalizes out

[lusty grotto]

but i can understand for people filling out certain roles, for example

yeah

[toxic pewter]

I will admit there is a lot more friction going on

with bringing back need and greed

[lusty grotto]

i still think its better for raids

than personal

but yeah that's gonna be a big downside to it

the friction

[toxic pewter]

Yah I like it more too

but already even I have had some passive aggression toward me for a damage trinket I rightfully won

[lusty grotto]

lol

[steady steppe]

if all my gear is shit stats and i sim for the gems in my lariat isnt it gonna be wrong gems when i replace my gear later

or do i just have to sim every item that i get

[toxic pewter]

A lot of people literally sim every item they get and make adjustments, I personally do not care

[lusty grotto]

just gem haste or haste combos

and of course the primary stat gem

[steady steppe]

and when i sim for lariat doesnt that make bis lists for gear other than trinkets obsolete

[lusty grotto]

sim for gear not gems

[steady steppe]

even if the primalist gem doesnt work with the proc?

[lusty grotto]

where did you read that

cause most people are socketing a primary in

tbh it only means it goes for the stat of the gems

so if you only gem primalist, it wont know what to pick

so that's intended

[steady steppe]

icey veins

[lusty grotto]

if you have 2 haste gems, it should go haste

but i could be wrong

you have 3 slots and primalist is unique so

[steady steppe]

yea but is it worth putting a primalist instead of one of the other gems that can proc

[slim dove]

yes

mainstat/haste

2x haste/crit

[lusty grotto]

you have 3 slots

[steady steppe]

to proc the crit?

[lusty grotto]

haste/crit are ysel's

it should go haste

higher haste and lower crit that is

same with haste versa ysels

[steady steppe]

icy veins says that the lowest stat on the gem gets proc'd

[lusty grotto]

so do that instead

[steady steppe]

so a 70 haste / 33 crit would proc crit

[lusty grotto]

high crit/vers low haste

idk i dont have the thing

but its not rocket science

you have all the information

[storm merlin]

There's a pin in Felhammer that explains it

[steady steppe]

ill have a look

[lusty grotto]

look

its simple

[steady steppe]

ok

[lusty grotto]

put 2 alex crit/haste or 2 malygs versa/haste

or a combination of the two

and 1 primalist

it'll pick haste

that's it

actually the combination wont work but the first statement should work

[eager thistle]

Hello, I have a question about that necklace and the proc stuff.
If you have three different gem classifications (as shown in that above image), does the proc randomly pick one of the gems to proc? Or does it proc all three every time? So that you could say proc, Haste, Crit, Mastery every time it procs?

[steady steppe]

combo of crit/haste + verse/haste should work where it procs haste all the time

[steady steppe]

only one at a time 2 times per minute i think

[eager thistle]

aaah ok, great thank you 🙂

[lusty grotto]

combination wont work

ysem's are the haste proc

well

im just getting confused now

yes it will work

both are ysems

lol

[steady pendant]

is lariat neck the best craft for us?

[wintry nymph]

crafting orders currently disabled right?

[flat wren]

Hey all! If I am looking through some of my logs, which are most important to tanking? I'd assume healing?

[lusty grotto]

no?

we're not bdks

[slim dove]

you want to look at cpm and buff uptime.

also dps

[steady pendant]

up time on shield block and ignore pain

[lofty widget]

% blocked hits too

[lusty grotto]

look at damage received, and blocking uptime on attacks

[slim dove]

also dps

[lusty grotto]

also dps

[onyx matrix]

nono, the ret pala set his lootspec as prot.

[lofty widget]

also dps

[flat wren]

Ok so uptime, 98.4% is okish? and I NEED more dps and dont know how to pump more

[slim dove]

ye 98.4% is fine

[lusty grotto]

are you using outburst correctly?

in raids

[jagged pier]

logs please

[lofty widget]

uptime alone isnt a good metric

[lusty grotto]

👆

[jagged pier]

we cant tell anything from details

[molten holly]

Ok my council of fellow warriors

[flat wren]

ok hold on let megrab it

[molten holly]

Has anyone done a 15+ RBLP

[jagged pier]

ive done around that

[molten holly]

What is the realistic break point this week? its not so much trash yea? but 2nd boss

[lusty tiger]

i have a +16 RLP in my inv

[reef holly]

What should we be using our sparks for currently?

[slim dove]

trash is a joke, 2nd boss and 3rd boss suck

[jagged pier]

break point is last boss

[flat wren]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/bleeding-hollow/raakora#boss=2590

[jagged pier]

second boss should be fine if baiting and positioning is correct

[molten holly]

I assume kill troll first or zug the dragon for 3rd boss

[flat wren]

idk if that works

[slim dove]

zug dragon

iirc

[molten holly]

gotcha

[slim dove]

lust p2

[molten holly]

YOUR WISDOM IS APPRECIATED FELLOW SHIELD BROS/SISTERS

[jagged pier]

what do u want to look at the raid fights?

[slim dove]

wind moves counterclockwise i think? helps ranged set themselves up to not dodge fire

[jagged pier]

or the m+?

[lusty grotto]

you def do not have 98.4% uptime

[flat wren]

Raids, M+ advice is totally welcome too

[lusty grotto]

oof

[lusty tiger]

is 84% blocked hits troll or fine?

[jagged pier]

troll

[flat wren]

your good at giving advice

I appreciate all that

Sorry to bother you guys

[jagged pier]

right well there are several things going on here

[jagged pier]

in raid

nim

stop linking screenshots without explaination

[lusty grotto]

fair enough

[jagged pier]

so what nim is trying to show u

[lusty tiger]

where is not troll threshold m+ specifically

[flat wren]

Ok i will just leave

[jagged pier]

is that you arent tracking SB at all you should in raid have at least 95% blocked hts

[flat wren]

I see the trolling already

[jagged pier]

with your talents

[flat wren]

Yeah your friends made it clear

I will just play a different class or maybe not play at all

[jagged pier]

so you really need to make sure your tracking is and paying attention to when your tanking

[lusty grotto]

hmm

we're def not suggesting that

[jagged pier]

all these things are stuff that fix able

[severe steeple]

anyone else filled his vault same way this week?

[lusty grotto]

you can fix all of it

[plush tendon]

yea, but with 16s

Shadowmoon goat

[jagged pier]

secondly your running m+ talents in raid

[flat wren]

After being trolled? idk about the authenticity

[severe steeple]

getting there

[plush tendon]

just avoid RLP

it aint worth it

maybe next week

[lusty grotto]

did i miss the troll?

[plush tendon]

bad for Christmas spirit

[jagged pier]

doesnt make sense to be running shockwave in raid it has no use

[slim dove]

im so fucing bored of that dungeon

[jagged pier]

or thunderlords

doesnt do much in raid ither

you also shouldnt be running barbaic training or seismic rever on fights like terros

as its ST

aand due to the lack of rage gen on ST u dont have the rage for barbaric and reverb does nothing because its not 3 targets

and instigate is better rage gen than Bloodsurge on ST as well

3rd and finally your casts are a bit low

[lusty grotto]

im still confused by the trolling thing, who trolled who, i thought they were answering about kill order for RLP

[jagged pier]

your SS casts should be around 15 CPM on ST yours are at 10 CPM and

[flat wren]

Nim you looked all over my logs and posted 4 or 5 of them

saying ooooof

[lusty grotto]

that's not a troll

[flat wren]

It is

[lusty grotto]

jakey is explaining it

[flat wren]

YOU arent

[lusty grotto]

well i was going to

[jagged pier]

this is the same for lots of other abilities as well

[flat wren]

sure

[jagged pier]

like rav u cast it twice in a 6 minute fight

[lusty grotto]

i dont even understand how that constitutes trolling

[jagged pier]

4 casts it should be

same with sheild charge etc etc

[royal coral]

Wait linking a screenshot is trolling? you guys never done mythic plus i guess lol

[red forum]

Is there a way to easily check if any spell is reflectable ? I want to learn which mobs/bosses I can reflect in dungeons/raids.

[jagged pier]

your just not pressing your buttons fast enough efectivly your around half the CPM you should actually be so your missing a tone ofr rage spells casts etc etc

[flat wren]

Alright I will show myself out, Sorry Jakey I was enjoying it

[jagged pier]

now thats raid stuff

[flat wren]

but I thought this was a helping place

my bad

[lusty grotto]

lmao what the fuck

[plush tendon]

my dude... .thats what hes doing

[flat wren]

YOU ARE NOT

So please

Stop

Or i will leave

[plush tendon]

ok

[royal coral]

jakey has litterly been telling you whats going on while your busy having a go at nim tho?

[flat wren]

Wait linking a screenshot is trolling? you guys never done mythic plus i guess lol

quote

[royal coral]

dam right

[lusty tiger]

wtf

is goin on

[lusty grotto]

im curious, why do you think its trolling

[flat wren]

I just wanted help

[lusty tiger]

ur getting spooned @flat wren

[lusty grotto]

its showing your actual percent of blocked attacks

[flat wren]

You posted pics with no description without explination, like Jakey said

and then you couldn

[lusty grotto]

its a useful metric to understand how you're not blocking

[royal coral]

i started with this and just tested stuff https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vS26lkSc_eaulHX7-UY8Uu-7DAHvkScxh3npd0kQn3uvvWsgsQm9ducLUi4R2mb7ieNluVilyq5sQe5/pubhtml#

[lusty grotto]

jakey went over it

[red forum]

thanks i will have a look

[lusty grotto]

and now i just did as well

[jagged pier]

right well u have raid talents in later fights so talents u can forget that bit

but in the m+ u forgot to swap back to m+ talents

[flat wren]

Yea I will, just wish that could have been less of a show

[jagged pier]

but in the m+ run its very much the same issues that in the raid fights

not tracking SB

not pressing buttons

[flat wren]

I have 3 Raid ST Raid AoE and M+

[jagged pier]

yer but in the fight 2 boss kills

you had m+ talents

[flat wren]

yea i didnt swap

[jagged pier]

u had shockwave

[flat wren]

Yeah I did miss it

but i wasnt saying I am a god warrior, I just asked for advice

Also the talents put up on wowhead

[jagged pier]

so basically TLDR tack SB needs to be up when ever your tanking. make sure your pressing your buttons more espeically SS that will extend your SB and make it far easier to keep up

same for shield charge

[flat wren]

Okay i can see that works

Can you run it that way most times? or is that just the rotation?

[autumn urchin]

extending SB is a talent

[flat wren]

Is that the single target or aoe

[uneven mason]

Heavy repercussions

[autumn urchin]

sec let me find it not online

its this node here

[eager schooner]

18k overall in a +13, yikes

[dusky canopy]

Posts logs, people point out what needs to improve, proceeds to cry and be offended

That is what the “ooof” is.

[flat wren]

uhh

ok

[lusty grotto]

are you trolling? you posted a picture

[flat wren]

I see the node

[uneven mason]

Hard to pull big when your dps eat everything and suck floor I guess?

[flat wren]

I think thats single target and M+

[jagged pier]

well the talents u have in all the builds are ED HR and Bulwark that should give u 100% if not close to 100% if you play correctly i.e press stuff on cd press buttons like your supposed to. as your are around half the CPM i would expect to see. you actually have around half the blocked hit so its adds up

[dusky canopy]

20mob pulls or bust

[icy adder]

For the lariat, is it beneficial to have a gem from multiple families or will uptime not matter if I have just haste proccing gems?

[lusty tiger]

this might be the worst season to pug ive ever seen

[flat wren]

I think I layed into Ignore Pain too much

[uneven mason]

Nim not everyone is a troll

[lusty grotto]

[dusky canopy]

View ignore pain as a rage cap prevention button

[uneven mason]

Some are dwarves

[dusky canopy]

Otherwise cast revenge

[flat wren]

Yeah i missline them with SB

revenge is good with the Tier bonus right?

[lusty grotto]

you misunderstood my reference, that's fine

[lusty tiger]

slimepp is a troll 4sure

[jagged pier]

not really, because your casts are so low so if your rage gen so u cant relaly press ither like u had the same SB casts as IP casts on terros well theres a 1 cast difference

[flat wren]

Okay so SB before all, keep it up with SS

[autumn urchin]

are you using any weak auras

[flat wren]

and then that should help significantly ?

[lusty tiger]

11/10 takeaway yes

[prisma crane]

you still use revenge as a rage dump when you don't need IP regardless of targets, it's good and useful, but just dont need the talents for it in raid scenarios

[onyx sandal]

what do we think about burgeoning seed
https://www.wowhead.com/item=193634/burgeoning-seed?bonus=7974

seems pretty good defensively - but don't really need much more defense at the moment

[autumn urchin]

I personally just made big icons for SB/outburst/seeing red as they are super important to keep track of

[jagged pier]

no my mistakes i got the logs mixed up with mine, yep u did u a lot of IP which u shouldnt be doing

[flat wren]

@prisma crane yeah its weak, but I will use it less now

[jagged pier]

its only used as a rage dumb

[dusky canopy]

Shield block is the way

[jagged pier]

if u have extra rage which u should have

but with your CPM u dont have the rage to spare on IP that much

[uneven mason]

Press ss, tc when they're available revenge when they're not, IP if you get close to rage cap

[flat wren]

Ok because I'm blocking it all more

[uneven mason]

And yes , sb always when getting hit

[alpine quiver]

So, people hate Mechagnomes, whats should be my alliance warrior race? 😛

[lusty grotto]

mechagnome

[uneven mason]

Dwarf

[alpine quiver]

Intresting 😛

[lusty grotto]

no seriously dwarf

[uneven mason]

Literally 2 alliance races, dwarf and charred dwarf

[dusky canopy]

Dwarf owns

[flat wren]

Okay, and really, I guess I acted poorly or something. sorry to all that I had bothered, have a good holiday

[limber heart]

In general what kind of CPM should prot warrior have in raid

[alpine quiver]

Heard that helms are crap on Doorfs to

[uneven mason]

90apm

[lusty grotto]

cant show off your majestic beard with most helms

[limber heart]

damn, need more haste

[uneven mason]

Need more button presses

[dusky canopy]

Well duh nim

That’s why engi goggles are bis

On dwarf

[lusty tiger]

i thought we were down to 70cpm

[lusty grotto]

👍

[slim dove]

play fem dwarf

fixed.

[limber heart]

I could be wrong but feel like I'm fairly global locked most of the time

[uneven mason]

Probably this

[limber heart]

I'm sitting around 60cpmish

[lusty tiger]

good start

[dusky canopy]

400cpm

[fluid spire]

Whats up people. First time on this discord. Pretty cool place.

[alpine quiver]

Flame Doorf or ordinary Doorf?

[dusky canopy]

Welcome to apes unleashed

[alpine quiver]

Same here, nice people already. xD

[lusty tiger]

ITF, UF, and some adderall should get u to that 70cpm

[fluid spire]

Havent tanked since wrath and dragonflight is a feckin BLAST to tank.

[lusty grotto]

👋

[dusky canopy]

This disc imo is hands down THE best source of information for a class you will get.

[limber heart]

oh its 70cpm not 90cpm is the goal?

[cold trench]

Hey guys got these rings in my bag (also the 389 damage one). Which combo would you recommend ? Assembly and band for the raw stats ? That shield is quite nice so I'm not sure

[dusky canopy]

Other discs are lackin

[lusty tiger]

lets peep nome @jagged pier

[dusky canopy]

The goal is 400cpm

[forest pagoda]

How are you guys dealing with Searing Blows from the second boss in Ruby Life Pools? It's crushing me on +16. I saw on Beta you could range it by leaping away at the start of the channel, but that doesn't work currently. Am I missing something?

[lusty grotto]

uhh shield assemby is no thanks

[dusky canopy]

Realistically around 60

[lusty grotto]

change that to nuke assembly my dude

also the higher ilvl

[lusty tiger]

i actually dont know jakey's warrior name

nome has a 77cpm raidfight

probably can go 80

[cold trench]

is the damage proc worth the amount of haste lost tho ?

[lusty grotto]

yes

higher ilvl >>>>>> all

as stated in our pins

[fluid spire]

cpm is crit per min right?

[jagged pier]

90 is like S4 SL levels

u cant get there

[lusty grotto]

casts

[limber heart]

Oh good I thought I was doing something seriously wrong

[fluid spire]

gotcha

[uneven mason]

My goal is 90apm idk when I'll get there but I'm horribly nostalgic for Antorus

[jagged pier]

we were higher last season

🤔

[uneven mason]

I didn't play last season

[jagged pier]

well thats on u

[uneven mason]

I couldn't wash the shit stains from 9.0.5 off my account so I had to wait for it to dry and flake off

[alpine quiver]

Level 70 boost, a warrior right? :p

[uneven mason]

Wat

Like what should you boost?

[slim dove]

evoker

[jagged pier]

meh the removed all constraints in S4

by all accounts game was actually good then

[uneven mason]

I heard that I just hate returning late xpac and doing catchup

[jagged pier]

u should only boost something

if u think its fun

cause to upset u all

u you boosting because u think its strong

[uneven mason]

Warriors are fun to level

[jagged pier]

we are likely to get nerfs when RWF is over

[uneven mason]

Very likely

[jagged pier]

tbh me nome and mwahi were all suprised we didnt get tuning when they did the dps tuning stuff

[alpine quiver]

Well, the issue is, i hate leveling Warriors 😛

[lusty grotto]

yeah s4 was really great

[modern brook]

?

[alpine quiver]

Not playing in dungeons etc, but leveling >.<

[lusty grotto]

im not regretting resubbing back then

[uneven mason]

Technically we've been nerfed like..4 times already

[astral crystal]

they're gonna buff brm habeeb it

all tanks will be equal before the eyes of Ion

[jagged pier]

5

[astral crystal]

inshallah

[edgy grail]

You think its actually “needed”

[blazing condor]

blizz can do whatever they want to me i still only have the brain cell to play pwarr

[jagged pier]

damage for sure

[lusty grotto]

lol atticus

[edgy grail]

I feel like tank balance is pretty good atm

[jagged pier]

suviviability eh

[edgy grail]

Ahhh damage

[jagged pier]

probably not

[uneven mason]

Prot is crushing damage in raid atm

[jagged pier]

we are a bit more tanky that other tanks

[uneven mason]

That how we work though

Prot is always more tanky

[lusty grotto]

well

[edgy grail]

Tanky ness is also dependent on fight design

[lusty grotto]

brm used to always be tanky as fuck

thanks to fuck i forget the name

[modern brook]

stagger

[lusty grotto]

yes

ty

[modern brook]

np

[uneven mason]

Like we've been the mitigation kings for quite some time, it's just we're easy to play

[modern brook]

dont fucking @ me every again 😠

[jagged pier]

but meh its a weird situation, they made us god against physical damage made most bosses do psyichal damage, and bought back old dungeons where things melee more that cast and in dungeon where historically mobs used to funnel cast at the tank they now cast at everyone so most of the damage is physical which again we are supposed to be good at

🤷

[lusty grotto]

@modern brook ok bby

[modern brook]

had to scroll like 400 messages

[uneven mason]

They ate a shitload of damage it just wouldn't kill them

[lusty grotto]

right

[modern brook]

i was thinking this too

[azure light]

what should we craft with our sparks?

[edgy grail]

Yes this is exactly my thoughts, like we are good design wise but the fight designs also tend to favor us

[modern brook]

Not so much that prot is over tuned as much as they just made fuckin everything blockable

[lusty grotto]

i feel like that question should 100% get an auto reply from Eyir

im tired of using the gif

[edgy grail]

I really enjoy Brew but not sure when Ill play it again

[fallen pulsar]

Inb4 next raid tier/m+ rotation is the most magic damage heavy tier

[uneven mason]

Remember when fight design was skewed towards self sustain tanks

[lusty grotto]

and i changed to the gif cause i was tired of using the emoji 😢

[jagged pier]

well they did that with nighthold

and like 50 prot warriors actually cleared the raid

because we were dumbster fire against magic back then

[uneven mason]

We're not weaknvs magic

We're weak vs bleeds

[sage granite]

wtf I just did Hyrja for first time this week and she cast Shield of light, knocking me to other side before she used the empowerment ability. is that normal or a bug? Have never seen her do that before

[fallen pulsar]

I would say against sustained magic damage we eventually give out

[sage granite]

Always oppose order

[fallen pulsar]

So constant magic casts will eventually punch through

[uneven mason]

Ignore pain is crazy

It reduces magic

[lusty grotto]

well the change to SR will help a lot

[uneven mason]

Insane

[edgy grail]

Spell block is insane

[lusty grotto]

for sustained magic that is

[lusty grotto]

its pretty good paired with SR

should be shorter cd though

[edgy grail]

It’d be too good

[lusty grotto]

but idk if they want to make that adjustment

yeah

agreed

[uneven mason]

But like, vdh bdk and druid are not far behind us in mitigation

[edgy grail]

I think maybe 45 sec cd half duration is maybe a good change?

[uneven mason]

It's just people are shocked that we're not ragestarved dumpster fires

For the xpac launch

[tropic tangle]

rage gen and sb uptime feel real good for 1st tier

[uneven mason]

That's just it, we're able to maintain sb and have reliable resources

[wintry nymph]

if you cancel an crafting order, you get your reagents in mail right?

[cold trench]

the damage proc is that good ? I never looked into it. Genuinely curious as I would have went for option 1 rather than option 3 here

[uneven mason]

Which is something we generally only get like S3?

[uneven mason]

Yeah

[lusty grotto]

damage is better than no damage

[wintry nymph]

aight

[tidal barn]

Is this the real abaddon from vanilla playing in the guild via crucis? 😂

[lusty grotto]

youre still going straight for haste when ilvl is more important

[uneven mason]

!= 0 > 0?

[lusty grotto]

1 > 0

[prisma crane]

they really need to add a function (without search) to quickly go to @ mentions

[lusty grotto]

but i understand what youre doing ikarikaze lol

damage > !damage

[cold trench]

you aren't passing the review with code like that tho

[lusty grotto]

(damage > 0) ? true : false

yeah lol