60k? did u not use cds?
#protection
alpine solar
what is name of main stat vers gem?
steep wraith
Is the jeweled signet of melandrus auto attack effect worth much for us?
steep wraith
got a choice in vault between that and bracers of same ilvl, but bracers are crit/mast, so was leaning on ring and getting some other bracers instead
fathom pine
Guys what Embellisment we use for ring craft?
severe hatch
how are we doing bois, we still gud
Still can't solo +20s, need buffs
graceful granite
We're still likely to get nerfed, tbh
ruby elbow
@merry umbra idk bro I’m 2100 io ofc I hit cooldowns
I’m still new to prot total scrub I know 😦
solar sandal
can you hit buttons while using storm eater's or do we just die b/c we cant use defensives lmao
vernal vale
Oh, I should buy shocking disclosure for council next week.
ebon geyser
Still can't solo +20s, need buffs
shame
sudden palm
How do we feel about engineer head with only haste stat as second crafted item?
Any opinions?
hybrid fox
gz
wary heath
the tree boss still feels impossible
just failed twice, 15 and 14
all dps and me were over 80k
some 120k
merry umbra
just pushed through 17aa tree boss, 140k me, the rest were more
and failed on the mana boss
lol 😄
polar smelt
has anyone used fang adornments? is it still bugged and not proccing very often?
wary heath
12 aa it is for me then
south zealot
the tree boss isnt that hard with a decent level of coordination
bring a poison dispel, have everyone stack on tank the best they can and make sure they clear bleed
uneven mason
It's the clearing bleed which everyone derps on
wary heath
i think the tyrannical vaguely psuedo cancels out the nerf, so if you were struggling last week, it doesn't actually make it easier
next week it might feel visibily easier
I am pugging it so that's also some of the equation
oak echo
you also need to not just nuke the tree add because otherwise you'll be trying to clear while a germinate is going out
it doesn't have to instantly die
south zealot
the boss in a way is a little harder on medium key levels like 13-14
bc the tree will likely die at a bad time during herminate
uneven mason
so delay killing the treant until after 2nd germinate ?
Yeah just make sure someone is interrupting
If you kill it during germ or the burst forth you won't be able to get in the circle
proud dock
is spell block the only talent that needs to be considered to swap for keys or are there others?
uneven mason
Plenty
Pick and choose utility based on comp
And your trust level of your group
In a pug? - take anything that can interrupt
Or don't because thusvfar I haven't seen a real interruptable that actually threatens the tank..... DPS on the other hand
Tend to get 1 shot
mighty valley
still worth taking the stops for non-interruptible tankbusters
especially since they can't be kicked
dark claws etc
i'm sometimes tempted to try and make room for the aoe fear break for nokhud since half the time my groups are mostly melee? just for more uptime on the boss fear and/or missed kick insurance for the last trash
uneven mason
Yeah and that arcing douchnuke from NO
mighty valley
but it's competing with int shout so it's tough
edgy grail
is spell block the only talent that needs to be considered to swap for keys or a...
spell block and defenders aegis are both good in dungeons like TOJS
vagrant relic
do u guys ever use battle stance in mythic+?
vagrant relic
really?
vernal vale
do u guys ever use battle stance in mythic+?
Always except a few dangerous spots.
vagrant relic
and what do your heals say about that
vagrant relic
fair enough
vernal vale
My heals don't know how to warrior. They can't say shit as I'm not dying
blazing condor
With that said if you feel like you need the extra defensives then go ahead and use it
Obviously the higher you go the more you’d use it
vagrant relic
So I have to use def stance only when I'm feeling a bit dying right?
chilly brook
It’s like being an arms warrior in the past like 3 xpacs
You hop into it before damage comes out
Hop out after
vernal vale
So I have to use def stance only when I'm feeling a bit dying right?
Basically think of it as another small cd
vagrant relic
Damn I've been playing with def stance since the launch and nobody said me a single thing
hahah
thanks
dusk rain
very noob question. Can you enchant shield or only weapon?
chilly brook
Or you hop in during periods of high intake and leave as soon as it’s gone
vagrant relic
btw is it a good place to ask u to roast my talent tree?
blazing condor
Yes
blazing condor
Not terrible but not what most people run
vernal vale
any thoughts? mythic+
Take the m+ build from the pins
mighty valley
this is an extremely normal talent tree except you should really grab the strength node above Shield Charge
insane stats for the point investment
nimble laurel
Is there a haste soft cap where Heavy Repercussions is better than Into the Fray?
prisma echo
Ok what im doing wrong with my ruby whelp shell? Its considered A tier trinket meanwhile from SBG 11 dungeon it makes 200k overall dmg, where shitty dragon game did 1kk
mighty valley
personally don't find that many uses for the aoe interrupt shout
light lynx
Has anyone been running anything with armor spikes and have logs for it? Been trying to track down some data about how much damage it's actually doing
uneven mason
The last stand rage node is meh as well
light lynx
Ok what im doing wrong with my ruby whelp shell? Its considered A tier trinket m...
It gives you a significant mainstat proc
mighty valley
yeah it ain't what it used to be
prisma echo
It gives you a significant mainstat proc
can i check it in details?
chilly brook
No
Just know that the mainstat proc is big dam
And defense as well
I mean you could check the buff uptime
light lynx
You probably can see the uptime in details, logs might be more insightful
mighty valley
1% overall damage is pretty decent gravy on top of a mainstat proc
chilly brook
^
vagrant relic
this looks better?
prisma echo
I mean you could check the buff uptime
cant see anythign in buffs
ruby elbow
Is my stats bad why my dps I low?
vagrant relic
personally don't find that many uses for the aoe interrupt shout
I just use it as an extra taunt
is it really just me?
chilly brook
cant see anythign in buffs
¯_(ツ)_/¯
brisk gust
How do you change details so the top dmg has a longer bar than the lower ones? Mine everyone has the same distance
chilly brook
It’s really not worth checking anyways
ruby elbow
chilly brook
How do you change details so the top dmg has a longer bar than the lower ones? M...
You do a lot more damage than everyone else
chilly brook
Brother
brisk gust
Its a setting
ruby elbow
Yah?
chilly brook
Windows+shift+s
ruby elbow
Any help is appreciated !
chilly brook
Please
tropic tangle
in the year of our lord, 2022, you need to be able to take screenshots on a computer
chilly brook
^
edgy grail
this looks better?
I like battering ram more than disrupting shout but up to you. Depends how much you can trust your team
chilly brook
Windows+shift+s and then ctrl+v in discord lmao
round pendant
ruby elbow
On my cellphone ?
chilly brook
And what “help” are you looking for?
chilly brook
On my cellphone ?
You clearly have access to your computer or else you wouldn’t have taken a picture of it
tropic tangle
stats are fine, probably an issue with play
chilly brook
Discord is on the PC as well
ruby elbow
Aw dang
brisk gust
Can someone help me? When i play raids/dungs etc everyone on my detail has the same lenght in bar https://gyazo.com/7a828d155bf5f208bc7b1d86efd074a3
vagrant relic
I like battering ram more than disrupting shout but up to you. Depends how much ...
and u never have any troubles keeping an agro on any given pack of mobs?
ruby elbow
Haste is fine?
tropic tangle
bruh, maybe just read the pins first
chilly brook
If you’re thinking your stats are the problem for your DPS you’re not playing properly
vagrant relic
cuz I personally need to damage the mobs for a big to get them taunted
mighty valley
Haste is fine?
you're doing the right thing by taking ilvl over all it looks like
chilly brook
Press your buttons better
edgy grail
and u never have any troubles keeping an agro on any given pack of mobs?
You dont have to take distrupting shout, you can make do with challenging
vagrant relic
but when a dps pulls mobs with something damaging it's not always easy to instantly get them on ya
isn't it?
edgy grail
What yiu do is one pull you use offensive CDs
vagrant relic
You dont have to take distrupting shout, you can make do with challenging
challenging? what's that?
edgy grail
Snd the other you use something like wall and shout
vagrant relic
oh
oak vine
guys, has anyone tried maxing out the Bloodborne talent? Im rly surprised its not a big dps gain
chilly brook
We’ve talked about this before, blood borne is a good talent
vagrant relic
doesn't it?
ruby elbow
What’s like average prot dps in 15 and higher normally?
chilly brook
However what you give up for it isn’t worth it
vagrant relic
but not worth it in your opinion guys?
edgy grail
Battering ram is a lot lf damsge
If you need bc your team sucks at int and cc
Then sure
vagrant relic
looking good now?
chilly brook
guys, has anyone tried maxing out the Bloodborne talent? Im rly surprised its no...
The problem with bloodborne isn’t if it’s a good talent or not it’s the opportunity cost to get it
edgy grail
But you shouldn’t need it
ruby elbow
What about thunder lord ?
oak vine
The problem with bloodborne isn’t if it’s a good talent or not it’s the opportun...
Appreciate the reply. You could spec into it sacrificing Tough as Nails and maybe champions bulwark?
rose pilot
looking good now?
Drop Battering Ram for Thunderlord
raw parcel
The major sites have Ruby Shell as BiS trinket, people here say it's bad without elaborating. Why would wowhead/icyveins post it as bis if it's a turd?
ruby elbow
And even bolster for the threat thing
chilly brook
The major sites have Ruby Shell as BiS trinket, people here say it's bad without...
Huh?
I’ve yet to see someone say it’s bad
ruby elbow
Don’t really need tough as nails if you don’t have threat issues anyway, last stand reductions cool tho
Yeah cause screw threat loss, we got shouts and stuns 😛
Jk I’m a noob don’t listen to me
edgy grail
Drop Battering Ram for Thunderlord
No TL is worse than battering ram
Battering Ram is a ton of damage
Snd TL desyncs your shout
vagrant relic
Don’t really need tough as nails if you don’t have threat issues anyway, last st...
it's kinda pathing for punish isn't it?
vagrant relic
and tough as nails on a pack of mobs that are biting in block sounds pretty good doesn't it
edgy grail
ST with no WF
edgy grail
Yes take tough as nails not bolster
chilly brook
Appreciate the reply. You could spec into it sacrificing Tough as Nails and mayb...
Generally I wouldn’t say it’s worth it. Champions Bulwark is extremely good and huge damage as well.
chilly brook
And situation
vagrant relic
but as a universal to go talent?
edgy grail
No
chilly brook
It’s like spell warding for paladin in previous xpacs
icy bane
Fire
edgy grail
spell block like spellwarding?
chilly brook
In terms of it’s not a universal pick
In past xpacs
Idk how it is this xpac since they can get it and BoP now
vagrant relic
what if I want something of my own
sick sentinel
BB is a trap
chilly brook
We just talked about this
urban portal
spiked shield is just more damage
chilly brook
It’s a good talent
vagrant relic
where is but
chilly brook
It’s just not worth the talent investment for the loss
You lose too much to talent it
chilly brook
what if I want something of my own
I mean you can, but don’t expect anyone to tell you not to run the pinned build
ruby elbow
Oh 25k overall?
chilly brook
ruby elbow
Dang I thought I was told 50 was low, it’s not pushing it tho you can still keep decent threat my friend no worries
vagrant relic
I mean you can, but don’t expect anyone to tell you not to run the pinned build
fair enough thanks
chilly brook
It’s a game after all, no one can force you to do anything
vagrant relic
I can try it
sick sentinel
got my cloak
chilly brook
But IMO the concept of pushing against a solved problem (where to invest talent points) just to be “unique” is weird
chilly brook
where do i find it
In the pinned guides
vagrant relic
It was there
chilly brook
Idk the talent investment off the top of my head
edgy grail
That one is good only thing Id change is TL for battering ram
chilly brook
Just know that it would be under the “m+” section in the guides
quaint zodiac
A couple points differing for preference can be expected but if the goal is 'best' or 'optimal' then it will always come down to the maths
novel temple
this is the one?
That one is the m+ build
reef spindle
Anyone have a damage breakdown from details from a 15 or higher run? Would like to see ability usage by % damage.
vagrant relic
That one is the m+ build
that's what i need yeah
novel temple
Then perfect
vagrant relic
thanks
btw I saw u guys talkign about ruby whelping shell
and is it good in m+?
and if yes what buffs do u take
thanks in advance
chilly brook
Idk according to Nom it’s too inconsistent
vagrant relic
nom?
dawn vault
Anyone have a damage breakdown from details from a 15 or higher run? Would like ...
15 jade I just got out of
chilly brook
First I’ve seen of it
reef spindle
15 jade I just got out of
Thanks for linking, what was your overall damage from that run?
chilly brook
It’s all good
ancient fractal
5.4k? Seems awfully low Shouldnt be in the Millions?
chilly brook
Revenge also seems…low?
dawn vault
Thanks for linking, what was your overall damage from that run?
I didnt tank that one and I deleted my details from my other 15
overall dmg was 45.15 M
dawn vault
5.4k? Seems awfully low Shouldnt be in the Millions?
thats related to the dps, not overall dmg
ancient fractal
Ah, thanks for the clarification!
dawn vault
Revenge also seems…low?
Temple slaps this week, so im guessing he just dumped more into ignore pain
dawn vault
Revenge also seems…low?
Second boss was 1 shotting my ignore pain when I did a 14 earlier lmao
bold turret
Second boss was 1 shotting my ignore pain when I did a 14 earlier lmao
Sounds like dps aren’t swapping, in an 18 earlier I got slapped first pull we wiped then barely lost IP on second pull as dps was focused
ancient fractal
Is it a Gameplay goal to try and do as much damage as possible to keep the Ignore Pain up through the Brutal Vitality talent?
chilly brook
I mean
mighty valley
It's a gameplay goal to do as much damage as possible because damage kills enemies haha
chilly brook
IP isn’t a focus
dawn vault
Sounds like dps aren’t swapping, in an 18 earlier I got slapped first pull we wi...
I feel like we were but there was a dk iirc probably dotting up past stacks
chilly brook
Deal damage
lusty tiger
IP is a byproduct of good rotation
chilly brook
Use IP as needed to either 1) not cap rage and 2) smooth damage if intake is extremely high
novel temple
Brought to you by BIG DAM GANG
chilly brook
Maintaining 100% uptime on IP is just not really a “goal”
uneven mason
It just happens
oak condor
Any1 got a good stance macro?
novel temple
The one from Genshii in the pins
ocean bloom
/cast [stance:2]!Defensive Stance;[known:Battle Stance]!Battle Stance;[known:Berserker Stance]!Berserker Stance
``` this works for all specs i believeLooks like Genshii got dethroned
I’ll try it when I get home
uneven mason
The known flag, one of the greatest inventions of our age
ocean bloom
someone else helped me a week or 2 back
it was in here jusit gotta go back and find it lol
inland mesa
why do my sims keep telling me to get crit/mastery gear >.>
uneven mason
It's a trap
inland mesa
yeah it keeps telling me get jade serpent boots and not court boots
actually on everything, any plate piece that's crit mastery sims higher than crit haste pieces wut
uneven mason
What's the sim
inland mesa
droptimizer at 20s
uneven mason
20s?
mighty valley
sims can't account for all situations and it's also raw damage, not survivability
inland mesa
yeah 405 gear
severe hatch
Better stamina than me
inland mesa
5 min patchwerk
mighty valley
there's barely any actual patchwerk encounters in the game rn
inland mesa
mythic terros check, seeing what gear I can get to up single target
uneven mason
So like my single brain wrinkle tells me that Crit mastery is probably pumpers for st
mighty valley
so yeah it might be right, crit/mast might be your best st damage
inland mesa
my haste is only at 18% so it just seemed like an odd thing to spit back
uneven mason
But mastery falls way behind in ae and survival
Well not way behind
But it's last in that court
brisk gust
What haste are you all at? I got 35%
dawn vault
What did you guys craft with sparks? I was thinkin shield and 1h
uneven mason
Shield and lasso
ruby elbow
I’m only 19%
inland mesa
lariat helm for me, but I have 415 weapon and shield
are the people at like 35 and such taking ITF?
or loot gods just love you and you get haste gear XD
I lost heroic boots last night with leech to stinky paladin healer 😢
I dunno what to do with spark next week, send on lowest ilvl piece, or 3 ilvls on shield
violet spruce
```#showtooltip
/cast [stance:2]!Defensive Stance;[known:Battle Stance]!Battle S...
I use a similar one but it takes me to a neutral stance if I hit the same d-stance macro
prisma echo
Tyranical should be deleted from game change my mind zero fun afix
inland mesa
I haven't done keys this week, jade with bursting sounds like death, what else is bad?
inland mesa
the little sha adds with bursting grievous?
inland mesa
oh thank god
errant birch
i got my KSM today woop woop
inland mesa
they burst on their own, if they added bursting on top of it I would cry
ksm is 2k or 2.4?
errant birch
2k
ruby elbow
What is itf @inland mesa I have low haste too 😦
inland mesa
into the fray
errant birch
inland mesa
I got 1580 last week, couldn't find an academy before I had to leave to drive home
prisma echo
I did yesterday sbg+12 sleeping today sbg+12 with higher IP guys was close to timer when before it was +12
uneven mason
And punish for mistakes too much
I mean, fort one shot DPS who miss kicks so..
prisma echo
I mean, fort one shot DPS who miss kicks so..
But you can come back faster then you do boss 3-4 min and then need to repeat all encounter
uneven mason
Pushing content requires practice
uneven mason
I don't think there are any bosses that cause unavoidable deaths, as long as your team does mechanics
sick sentinel
Heya, would Sudden Death be better than Show of Force this week with tyrannical?
uneven mason
But it's the same thing each xpac, one or the other will be harder
sturdy sable
so not really or?
Eh
uneven mason
hectic add cleave is also telling me mastery gear
Sounds sus
inland mesa
oh wait I'm in raid talents
uneven mason
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
idle inlet
Trinket recommendation, is the battle scared one good ?
runic merlin
Hi guys, i receive trinket from world boss, Static-charged scale, 50% uptime on Temple of jade and im wondering if its worth vs dragon games 392, 395 scale
sturdy sable
Trinket recommendation, is the battle scared one good ?
Dont use the blue
inland mesa
damn
sturdy sable
I had a 372 one and it would do like 140k a pop
idle inlet
Dont use the blue
The blue gives like 10% healing in dungeons, feels like alot
inland mesa
fire turtle best turtle, unless you really need survive, but I'd drop the shell
idle inlet
Aight, thanks for the quick responses
sturdy sable
The extra str alone makes up for that 10%
oak echo
if it did 90% of my damage i wouldn't suddenly think 90 cents is a lot either??
i agree it's not a good trinket but what was that analogy lol
static helm
where are people getting 392 and 395 BSS?
would like to know aswell
sturdy sable
if it did 90% of my damage i wouldn't suddenly think 90 cents is a lot either??
I was waiting for a reply to finish it lol
inland mesa
I got 392 from the weekly rep turn in thing but it was crit vers gloves and I already have 398s
idle inlet
would like to know aswell
Got it from the Stronghold weekly quest
calm sapphire
woo, haste weighted haste crit ring from vault
and trinket from wb which is better than both my current
static helm
Got it from the Stronghold weekly quest
from cache?
sick sentinel
is there a vendor purple ring worth going after
idle inlet
Dragonbane Keep Strongbox
uneven mason
Yuh
uneven mason
is there a vendor purple ring worth going after
In it at the cobalt place?
calm sapphire
huh
that feels weird
a vers mastery ring of same ilvl sims higher than a crit haste one
Might just be because I have so much crit + haste
uneven mason
Nom breaking sims to maintain pumper king status
stiff gate
for violent outburst, do you guys hold thunderclap and wait for a SS proc to not waste it, or do you just continue the normal prio and let it get used on whichever ability is up at the time
(on less than 4/6 targets that is, where its better value to SS than TClap with it)
inland mesa
I've started to try to hold for SS on outbursts, feels weird, but my numbers are significantly better this week
sick sentinel
not the best, but im pretty happy with all that except for tuskarr
ocean bloom
for violent outburst, do you guys hold thunderclap and wait for a SS proc to not...
i try to use revenge twice before TC in ST if i have outburst, but i never hold a gcd
inland mesa
and it's totally not just being in raid talents instead of m+ talents and not noticing....
sick sentinel
6 more i think and i can get a 389 helmet
uneven mason
for violent outburst, do you guys hold thunderclap and wait for a SS proc to not...
I'll only hold it for 1gcd at most to try and force a ss proc from revenge or auto, then I'll just slap tc and move on
But yeah don't "hold" the GCD, always be pumping
mighty valley
try not to burn rage for no reason when outburst is coming up so you can revenge if you need to fish for reset
but then you need to burn rage before actually hitting the SS to avoid overcapping
stiff gate
yeah i wasnt afking for the gcd, just meant spamming revenge instead and letting tclap sit off cooldown, thanks for the answers
strong forum
Hi guys, i receive trinket from world boss, Static-charged scale, 50% uptime on ...
its super good
dragon games is very strong on ST
static charge is good overall for a key
tardy sequoia
is seal of diurna chosen good ?
median tulip
a vers mastery ring of same ilvl sims higher than a crit haste one
Remember that the sim only simulates damage; it's not going to tell you how much extra defensive potency you get from the cooldown reduction and increased rage generation of Haste
strong forum
very good if you can proc it
tardy sequoia
cause my dps want it
strong forum
Might just be because I have so much crit + haste
extremely likely yes
tardy sequoia
but i read on wowhead that it's bis for tanks
mighty valley
personally i'd let dps have it with the amount of damage they take rn
even if it's v good for us
calm sapphire
extremely likely yes
Yeah, I'm at 3k for crit and haste, 1k for vers and mast
fiery warren
hi is it worth to craft (Elemental Lariat) ?
twilit jungle
is there a reason almost nobody runs spell block in AA? https://mplus.subcreation.net/protection-warrior-algethar-academy.html
drowsy root
anyone know if Ruby Whelp Shell is any good am confused about it
floral river
ime it's not good
strong forum
there is no reason to use spellblock in algethar
violet spruce
For the seal ring, do you have to do fire damage to proc it?
strong forum
all magic dmg in that dungeon is avoidable except the tank buster from vexamus
and that one doesnt hurt
the to me only known dungeons where Spell Block is good are Ruby Life Pools, Jade Serpent and maybe Azure Vault, cant think of another dungeon at the top of my head
twilit jungle
ah i assumed it would be a big help during tree boss
ig the poison and burst forth doesnt count as a spell
strong forum
For the seal ring, do you have to do fire damage to proc it?
yes
strong forum
ig the poison and burst forth doesnt count as a spell
poison is dispellable
burth forth is physical
twilit jungle
makes sense thank you!
violet spruce
yes
How do I go about doing that? Weapon enchant? No spells do fire damage
As prot
strong forum
frostfire belt
and manic grieftorch
the combination of belt + ring is ~2k dps with their dmg effects combined
lyric elm
Apparently if you move away from the elemental boss in Nokhud you can spell reflect his auto attacks cuz they're magic
strong forum
yes
twilit jungle
would it reflect more than 1 auto?
urban portal
probably 1 auto
strong forum
the auto you purge ideally
twilit jungle
hmm doesnt seem like anyone is taking bitter immunity for AA either
top prots probably build their groups to not require it. BI good for pugs i assume
night galleon
how much damage does the proc from strike twice do
brisk gust
Is there any guides out atm om which spells to reflect for highest value in m+?
onyx marsh
question gentleman and ladies, I used raidbots to compare the items. the ilvl difference between the slots is basically the same, trinket is a few more and has leech. But my question is, I have from the vault Algethar's Puzzle Box, the mastery on use trinket, which is not very useful for us. And my other slot is Skoldiir Breastplate. Trinket sims 500more dps I assume from the STR increase. But longer use I would say the chest is better correct since I will be upgrading that trinket? I will also upgrade the chest to tier in the future. Not really sure tbh the correct play. Thanks again
strong forum
how much damage does the proc from strike twice do
very little
urban portal
how much damage does the proc from strike twice do
literally says it on the tooltip
night galleon
well i mean like is it worth farming
strong forum
that trinket is a) farmable and b) not super good either
urban portal
question gentleman and ladies, I used raidbots to compare the items. the ilvl di...
trinket is a lot of dam
brisk gust
Is there any guides out atm om which spells to reflect for highest value in m+?
urban portal
its just awkward to use
cinder storm
twilit jungle
unfortunately my puzzle box is my highest ilvl trinket so ill be stuck with it for awhile
fluid shard
Is the melandrus signet ring special very good?
strong forum
yeah that one is really good
blazing condor
Need to get a better trink
Literally only gotten trash
Got a 346 still cus i dont wanna use my 372 
wicked oriole
sorry for beating a dead horse, what 3 gems would you recommend for the neck?
sick sentinel
is this worth
twilit jungle
is this worth
if you're gonna replace that weapon and waste that 82k why bother. just sim a couple cheaper enchants
82k is alot
chilly brook
@strong forum 
sick sentinel
im prob not gonna replace these two in quite some time tho
strong forum
henlau
chilly brook
Miss u qt
strong forum
i do
chilly brook
Is very expensif
strong forum
just sim it
uncut notch
Boys
How the fuck do i stop the AA tree adds killing my dps before i get aggro
its like 0.1 of a second
spawn and clap
edgy grail
Smack it real hard
strong forum
pre-aoe taunt when you dont have CDs
uncut notch
we're talking 11's here too like nothing hectic
edgy grail
The first set they stand still
strong forum
and on the other wave you have CDs
edgy grail
The 2nd set just aoe taunt
strong forum
idk ive not run into that
happening
so idk chief
make sure to hit revenge/tc insta
when you know theyre about to pop
lunar delta
I use cds on 2nd wave and challenging shout on 4th
strong forum
you have bleeds rolling
twilit jungle
does the aggro table reset after they burst forth?
strong forum
aggro gets established when they pop up
lunar delta
Rotate cc
strong forum
not when they germinate
uncut notch
does the aggro table reset after they burst forth?
I swear they arent even real until they pop
strong forum
yes
edgy grail
Cd on pull and 2nd and 4th (you should almost never get 4)
strong forum
threat doesnt start until they become "alive"
rotund thicket
yo, what set items do we want to skip? got shoulders and hands in vault and will get 4p funneled
sick sentinel
tree boss academy is your party needs to work together to put the adds togther as compactly possible
twilit jungle
first burst forth challenging shout, second burst forth Troar + Schockwave?
uneven mason
You'll have shockwave for both
sick sentinel
everyone stands on tank at boss at max melee, healer heals, and then with the time for adds come team spreads like minimum so they don't get hit , everyone shifts to left or right (you all just agree on it before hand) and if done right all the adds are in such a small pile they can easily be killed by basic aoe rotations
wintry nymph
I just picked up Last Breath of the Worldbreaker from the gold pile and activated it. How do i actually unlock it as a transmog for other shields?
uneven mason
Ravager is also a solid
uncut notch
everyone stands on tank at boss at max melee, healer heals, and then with the ti...
hmm
The adds were in a radius wider than a tc could reach
or ravager
uneven mason
Yeah also don't murder the tree mid germination otherwise you'll miss the bleed clear
sick sentinel
if you do that, you can kill the adds befor the branch comes in and that makes it easier to focus it down
tidal barn
what gems are u putting on ur neck fellas?
lunar delta
Do you guys get haste buff ?
uncut notch
Yeah also don't murder the tree mid germination otherwise you'll miss the bleed ...
they did this twice
and I had to tell them off
tidal barn
what is its name?
uneven mason
The adds were in a radius wider than a tc could reach
That's because you didn't stack
noble prism
what gems are u putting on ur neck fellas?
hast
sick sentinel
party has to stack the adds up extremely tightly for this boss, its a group effort
wintry nymph
I just picked up Last Breath of the Worldbreaker from the gold pile and activated it. How do i actually unlock it as a transmog for other shields?
tidal barn
i see people gemming 70 vers + 33 haste. isnt that better?
uneven mason
I just picked up Last Breath of the Worldbreaker from the gold pile and activate...
Should be unlocked, like do you have your Legion artifact?
wintry nymph
weird thing is, the 1h is
uneven mason
when i equip it and i stand at the forge of odyn i can even select the thing
Ok so equip another shield and MH and xmog away
wintry nymph
but i can't selec tit
wintry nymph
i know, i dont have the artifact equiped
when i try to mog
want to mog this
should i do this convo in transmog channel btw?
uncut notch
I just picked up Last Breath of the Worldbreaker from the gold pile and activate...
It takes a minute, took me an hour or two to get it come through
uneven mason
Maybe
wintry nymph
It takes a minute, took me an hour or two to get it come through
that might be it
tidal barn
What have u socketed ur necks fellas? i see nerftank had socketed with 70 vers and 33 haste. is that bis?
wintry nymph
took a bit for the 1h to show up
so that might be it
ill be patient for now
thanks
uncut notch
I unlocked the "artifact" but not the seperate 1h and shield as independent items
sick sentinel
i am a collector of shield transmogs to a small extent
only shield mogs i can buy are 10k + gold on ah
twilit jungle
What have u socketed ur necks fellas? i see nerftank had socketed with 70 vers a...
i have haste - haste - primary + haste
prisma crane
You want mixed iirc. It's more stats.
Haste is good but not so good that it's worth giving up like 20% more stats
distant peak
Can anyone link me a set of talents to be using? Or are the ones on Wowhead good enough
jagged pier
fast knot
Do we have definitive info on wind direction for last boss in RLP?
The entirety of last week and the keys I've done this week have all gone counter clockwise
raw parcel
For those poo pooing the Ruby Shell, are you aware that you don't get just one of the benefits, you just set a weighted preference? I have mine set to heal me (was an accident, honestly, didn't know how to tune him and it has a long cooldown), but he still gives secondary buffs and damage, just more rarely, and the amount of healing is not trivial.
fast knot
Starting north
south zealot
17
fast knot
Props on taking three stacks on tyrannical lmao
south zealot
shield wall + last stand + demo shout and i lived with like 20% hp left
rain adder
hey guys any WA to share for tracking set?
cinder nova
I don't think you need to track set
In fact, you absolutely have no reason to track it. Just push buttons, it's a very passive power gain.
twilit jungle
10% healing taken buff worth for us in AA for grievous?
pallid quiver
healer toldme to use defensives with 3 stacks of tank hit on last boss in RLP
Just ask them to be literate
🤷
twilit jungle
or is it always haste/vers
frozen rose
For damage windows, is the only ability that will line up with avatar (aside from opener where you hit everything), thunderous roar?
pallid quiver
For damage windows, is the only ability that will line up with avatar (aside fro...
avatar will lineup and be active during other cds when it is
twilit jungle
ravager lines up as well
pallid quiver
Due to Anger Management, it's active often
prisma crane
10% healing taken buff worth for us in AA for grievous?
if it counts self healing, maybe, but only if your healer is struggling to begin with and you really want to ensure they can ignore you
imo vers is probably better at that point though
twilit jungle
that makes sense
frozen rose
@pallid quiver ok. I’m trying to better time my damage abilities. Do you ever hold off using something to time it with avatar?
frozen rose
Lol. I like it
pallid quiver
If you'd get better damage on an upcoming pull, just add that pull to your current one, ezpz
frozen rose
So aside from like…super opportune damage windows like lust, always just hit everything off cd? @pallid quiver
zealous grove
what gems do i put in my lariat?
pallid quiver
If you absolutely can't for whatever reason and have to take them separately and you'd get minimal use out of the damage cd, that's the only time to hold. Otherwise send
pallid quiver
So aside from like…super opportune damage windows like lust, always just hit eve...
Your cds will generally be up during lust, anyhow, for their full duration
frozen rose
I’m speaking of raid scenarios
pallid quiver
Lust lasts a ehile and your cds either don't really benefit much from lust's haste themselves (shield charge) or have enough uptime for it to not matter so much (avatar)
And worst of all, holding things like Avatar costs you extra uses due to wasting anger management
frozen rose
@pallid quiver ok thank you. Full sending then at all times
pallid quiver
Yeah, barring anything like "these adds need to be murdered instantly" in a raid encounter or something, always send
craggy pilot
how good is this for us?
strong forum
pretty good
hasty field
hey guys, I've got a question.
If you were me, what would you craft having 2 regs for 405 items?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qyMwvBp9WKPscVCpLjzgpN
proud hull
anyone have any suggestion as to armor spikes vs fang adornments for 2nd embellishment?
(lariat being 1st)
stable valve
pretty good
I got the manic grief torch in my vault 🙂
frozen rose
Would this be an appropriate dps opener? Pre pot, Avatar, charge, demo shout, ravager, thunderous roar, shield charge, dps trinks, shield slam, thunder clap, revenge, etc
stable valve
That thing pumps
strong forum
Ye grieftorch is literal bis
craggy pilot
https://bloodmallet.com/chart/warrior/protection/trinkets/castingpatchwerk
this is kinda lul 🤣
how true is this list in M+ tho nome?
i would think about the same
but never really heard anyone talk about the Idol of Trampling Hooves in here
sweet summit
grieftorch is ok
tired pivot
do we know when we will be able to get tier set items from outside sources?
sweet summit
in 4 weeks iirc
tired pivot
week 4, thanks
mighty valley
The vault droprate seems way higher this season than last, fill them slots
craggy pilot
2 set is our biggest gain anyway
visual jay
is the Alchi stone Trinket with haste and -to combat potions good for m+?
i got the welp and turtles 392 atm
oblique garnet
(i promise i am sane)
Cant be sane if you play dps warrior
visual jay
no,turtle 379,mb
sweet summit
Cant be sane if you play dps warrior
exposed...
sick sentinel
379 turtle prob better than alch stone depending on what you need
craggy pilot
80k down the drain tbh
why down the drain? did you get a new wep? 😄
sick sentinel
why down the drain? did you get a new wep? 😄
no but it sucks
craggy pilot
wdym? its 3% of ur dmg
sick sentinel
stay that way lol
sweet summit
this one ye
clever lynx
Is the Armor Spikes embellishment any good for us?
craggy pilot
all the embellishments are "all right nothing special"
short elk
Got a 392 wep - using a the crafted sword at 386 w fangs. Should I use the higher ilvl?
sick sentinel
all the embellishments are "all right nothing special"
false, the food flavor pack is S+ tier because its free doesnt take the 2 limit
strong forum
ilvl is king
short elk
Thought so ty
craggy pilot
Got a 392 wep - using a the crafted sword at 386 w fangs. Should I use the highe...
save the fang wep for if you upgrade later though
worthy fiber
do you keep shieldblock up 100% in raids or is it better to focus on dmg ?
oblique garnet
Shield block increases your damage
craggy pilot
seems kinda huge 3% though, but dunno how it compares to the stats from Sophic Devotion or whatever its called
mighty valley
shield block increases shield slam damage
fluid shard
aw hell yea!!
worthy fiber
just watching asmon stream he is barely using it
craggy pilot
just watching asmon stream he is barely using it
dont take too much inspiration from streamers, most of them are not very good at warrior
worthy fiber
😄
craggy pilot
go to plkatv or something like that
strong forum
^
sick sentinel
he entertains
worthy fiber
im not
worthy fiber
just purely questioning it
strong forum
asmon stopped caring in legion
craggy pilot
also depends what youre playing the game for, if its for dmg/logs or for entertainment
steady steppe
if i craft with primal infusion when i recraft do i need another infusion or not?
sick sentinel
if i craft with primal infusion when i recraft do i need another infusion or not...
no
craggy pilot
like his entertainment value doesnt drop if he forgets to click SB 🤷♂️
craggy pilot
@strong forum is this bait sim, or whats going on with Boon here? 🤔
https://bloodmallet.com/chart/warrior/protection/trinkets/castingpatchwerk5
would assume Grieftorch is still very good in MT?
craggy pilot
also should i buy the reagents at quality 3 or does that not matter
what are you crafting?
steady steppe
lariat
craggy pilot
helps the crafter get it to max lvl if you buy rank 3 mats
otherwise its maybe not even possible to get it max ilvl
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> is this bait sim, or whats going on with Boon here? 🤔
ht...
?
grieftorch is an ST trinket
boon is uncapped aoe
craggy pilot
ah sick
need boon for tree boss then
nutty dmg
so to rank M+ trinkets it would have to be an "overall" of the 5 target and the 1 target i guess
sick sentinel
i wouldnt use that boon trinket whatsoever
vast osprey
Is the crafted gear bis? or will it be replaced by mythic raid gear?
chrome falcon
depends on ilvl 🤷♂️
solar crown
Did echo solo-tank the first boss? If so, how did they handle the stacks?
fast knot
Boon is an actual terrorist trinket for dps
I'd assume you can't block/parry/dodge with it though since it's a transform ye?
fast knot
oh sick lol
south zealot
dude dorki used boon while fighting birds in nokhud 
immediate purg bc of the frontals lmao
fast knot
I've just seen my dps root themselves in place and die
slim dove
my dh got it and now every 3 minutes i hear "OK DONT MOVE THE MOBS"
loud patrol
move em >D
loud patrol
i remember those beta logs with boon where it was 70% of the total dmg
mellow surge
Hey guys i havent been able to find the BiS trinkets for protection warrior? They list alot of trinkets and im kinda confused
slim pier
i remember those beta logs with boon where it was 70% of the total dmg
Boon was doing million damage to 3 targets
In one use
It was ridiculous
drifting lance
how good is all-totem of the master? and what does it actually do
old flame
What wep enchant are we using? Sophic?
warm plinth
si
warm plinth
how good is all-totem of the master? and what does it actually do
It's a good trinket but it's more defensive than offensive
warm plinth
I will never have friend role, stop baiting me Nimchip!
compact jackal
Since pugs seem to be awful with it, is there a best way to do H Kurog without touching Air?
lusty grotto
I will never have friend role, stop baiting me Nimchip!
drifting lance
It's a good trinket but it's more defensive than offensive
thanks, kinda trying to figure out exactly what it does though
prisma arch
Quick question. I have now done the tree boss with 7 pugs both low and high io. We just cant managed to kill it? is it something im doing wrong? do i have move out when the boss cast burst forth?
is the problem not killing the adds fast enough
cuz i dont know anymore man
warm plinth
No, DPS just need to not blow their CDs on the first add phase
And save them for 2nd
prisma arch
giving up on that fucking dungeon
drifting lance
if ur talking about the aoe slam that just does dmg to the entire grp
its just rough
warm plinth
Press rally, make sure you pick up adds on 2nd spawn
edgy grail
Do a lot of damage
compact jackal
Cry when you realise how bad most DPS are
warm plinth
and hope DPS kill the adds before you fall over
drifting lance
make sure group stacks on you so you can walk around the boss during germinatr
shrewd steeple
Hey guys any idea how often Ancestral Protector's Stone proccs?
lusty grotto
rally and let jesus take the wheel
drifting lance
making adds die faster
warm plinth
What we're trying to say is
drifting lance
which makes incoming grp dmg a bit lower
prisma arch
I have just given up on that dungeon at this point
edgy grail
It seems mostly fine if the geoup isnt clueless
drifting lance
best u can do is stay alive, do damage and make sure small adds spawn close to the boss by making the group run with you during germinate
so they die faster
edgy grail
Maybe a bit harder than other bosses sure
You want to CD on pull
So you have them for the 2nd add phase
Drag the boss around the first so you can kill as many adds as possible before they activate
broken moon
hit-twice or crafted weapon?
warm plinth
the higher ilevel one
broken moon
MAX hit-twice or MAX crafted weapon?
craggy pilot
how the fk do i avoid them when 5 balls coming my way?
warm plinth
😂
warm plinth
@strong forum is it worth using crit/haste gems in lariat vs haste/crit so it procs haste instead of crit?
cosmic chasm
Couldn't you just use vers/haste?
warm plinth
Just didn't know if it was worth running the lower haste gems or not; would it sim properly for that?
cosmic chasm
And crit haste that way?
warm plinth
strong forum
vers isnt that "omg i must have it"
warm plinth
😂
warm plinth
A lot of people are going haste/vers; you're not the only one
People just have this misconception that you need vers to be tanky, which is not true
warm plinth
Sometimes the orbs like to bully people tbh
strong forum
Guess I've been fucking up lol
no you cant fuck up
literally cant
secondary stats dont matter that much
as long as you prio ilvl >> haste > X
cosmic chasm
Well that's good to know
strong forum
youre golden
dusky sentinel
Yeah the dragon is funny. sometimes the orb just do their thing. then another time they go like "Where u at? I see you!!" Then u got 5 literally curving to take u down
warm plinth
I'm gonna run mastery over all Nome, is this ok
strong forum
thats not optimal but sure go ahead
cant stop you
you dont want 0 crit and 0 mastery
thats also trolling
warm plinth
Yeah the dragon is funny. sometimes the orb just do their thing. then another ti...
Yeah they love to bully our healer but only when she plays her paladin
cosmic chasm
Prolly a stupid question but does simming a tank work the same way?
warm plinth
It's kind of a bullshit mechanic to have on a fight where you're basically permaslowed
tender cove
Is there any updated guides like tankspot, mythictrap etc for current season? Every site seems to be outdated
dusky sentinel
Atleast they can bubble! I mean. fair enough. other struggles. But im living the warrior life. Its only me that matters
rose pilot
horn of valor is bad?
warm plinth
You're simming for DPS if you sim
warm plinth
horn of valor is bad?
It's definitely not great
But there's probably worse trinkets if that helps 😂
craggy pilot
damn +12 Azure Vault easily timed, until last boss 4x wipe 😦
icy citrus
as we speak of stats atm, what missive is the best for crafts? haste+vers?
hexed crescent
Is the ruby whelp shell really that good? I used all my valor on it and i kind of regret it
loud patrol
nope
warm plinth
Well, I would definitely not have spent any valor this early, so that's not ideal
loud patrol
its bad tbh
warm plinth
especially not on a trinket
craggy pilot
this is listed under "healing" do they actually go for who has most healing? then it kinda makes sense they go for tank sometimes...
broken moon
I'm trying to find out what i should craft for gear and i am trying to go BiS so consider my question with max ilvl in mind, thanks. Out of the crafted gear what am i making? Neck/Weapon(fang?)/belt
lusty grotto
there arent any BiS lists
this isnt classic
there are recommendations
that's it
broken moon
what is this financial advice?
sturdy sable
this is listed under "healing" do they actually go for who has most healing? the...
All they do is go after me lol
broken moon
im not trying to waste my time and gold having something crafted that is suboptimal to something else
lusty grotto
go over the pins and figure it out
sparks are only limited now, after 10th week theyll drop off everything
you arent losing much
warm plinth
this is listed under "healing" do they actually go for who has most healing? the...
Yeah they go by healing aggro so they almost always are on tank or healer
broken moon
this discord is so mids compared to the rest
cosmic chasm
Only thing I wanted to craft was lariat
warm plinth
what does mids mean
lusty grotto
i have no idea
craggy pilot
Yeah they go by healing aggro so they almost always are on tank or healer
damn, just wondering what determines their speed though 🤔 they seemed to go faster/slower based on my speed
warm plinth
Frankly people put way too much thought and effort into what amounts to a very small part of your DPS. You should craft things based on what will serve you best. If you have a low ilevel weapon, make a weapon. If you have a low ilevel shield, make a shield. If you're good on both, make lariat.
It doesn't matter that much
broken moon
what does mids mean
fast knot
You also have options for weapon and shield pretty early in raid
autumn urchin
the only concrete item to make which is based solely off the raid ring is the frostfire belt
warm plinth
what opposing opinion were we insulting?
autumn urchin
and if you are not raiding disregard
north comet
Hi. Is any1 using this crafted shield that do DMG? Is it good?
wide charm
what is the strat on 3rd boss of TJS (3rd phase)
warm plinth
Hi. Is any1 using this crafted shield that do DMG? Is it good?
Yeah a decent number of people are using the spikes embellishment. It's decent. No embellishment is a huge part of your DPS
wide charm
what is the strat on 3rd boss of TJS (3rd phase)
2nd*
to not get obliterated by tankbuster
broken moon
what opposing opinion were we insulting?
referring to the discord as mids rather than an opinion though there are plenty of those
warm plinth
I didn't see where we were insulting anyone's opinion though
broken moon
you're an adult, i hope. you'll figure it out
craggy pilot
Frankly people put way too much thought and effort into what amounts to a very s...
which embellishment is bis bro? 
broken moon
- and the FAQ is all an expansion old
warm plinth
But that doesn't mean I'd make lariat over a weapon or shield if I had to make that choice
craggy pilot
Well, to be fair, lariat IS the best embellishment
thats exactly what a gem nerd would say
warm plinth
That's because people are enjoying the game instead of updating the FAQ page. All the info is in the pins though.
scarlet vault
Hello I have crafted a weapon on my warrior. What do you recommend as the 2nd craft The neck or the frost waist?
broken moon
idk bro check pins
lusty grotto
you're an adult, i hope. you'll figure it out
i still havent figured it out
lusty grotto
can you help me there?
patent osprey
Hello I have crafted a weapon on my warrior. What do you recommend as the 2nd cr...
The Neck
warm plinth
@broken moon this is the answer to your question, in the pins. Make an educated decision based on this information.
warm plinth
Hello I have crafted a weapon on my warrior. What do you recommend as the 2nd cr...
Neck. I wouldn't prioritize the waist unless you needed something to proc the raid rings
The ring is still a ring, but if you have something similar ilevel with better stats (I think the ring is vers/crit?) then use that
if you don't have anything to proc it
craggy pilot
im gonna go for waist next i think
mainly because im BS, and way easier to upgrade my own items, than to find someone high skill every time
lusty grotto
you'll get there, keep looking
see the difference between you and us, is we in fact do have that info in the pins whereas you're just being rude
grow up
broken moon
zug zug
lusty grotto
so "mid"