protection

[errant leaf]

I have 372 m0 neck

[slim dove]

go make lariat?

what does you being ench/eng have to do with lariat

[compact jackal]

Simming doesn't seem to take into account the set bonus. Do I want left until I get better boots?

[brisk gust]

How much commision do you put for a 405 Lariat?

[slim dove]

varies by server.

mine is free at this point.

was 150k first day it dropped.

[brisk gust]

If you craft a 405 u can upgrade it to 418 correct?

So you can pump 3 sockets into the 405 version then upgrade it to 418?

[slim dove]

yes

recrafting saves sockets, gems, and enchants

[stoic pilot]

Can you dodge / block / parry while channeling manic grieftorch?

[prisma echo]

Dear Prot Feelas please give me advice

[sick sentinel]

is hpal kill?

i don't think i see many of them

[prisma echo]

Should i take gloves (which are from easier dung SBG) or Set Helmet (From last boss). I dont have any set but i think it would be easier to farm SBG then Last raid boss for me

[last crest]

risky but inane

insane

[serene steppe]

Why risky?

[last crest]

it lock you own, if you mean the elemental that is

down*

fuck my english dude

it locks you down, as in you cant move

[serene steppe]

nah thats something else

[last crest]

if you mean torch, its best trinket in game

[errant leaf]

Well isnt lariat unequippable if you’re not jc ?

[amber siren]

No

[vernal vale]

Sims okay that's about it.

[errant leaf]

Okok didnt know that thx for the insight ill go for those shoulders then

[tender cove]

I would buy lariat but can't afford it lol...only have 26k and cheapest craft is 99k

[stoic pilot]

re asking this since i don't think it was answered

[tender cove]

can an alcmhey do anything with those? recover them for mats or smt?

[last crest]

what do we think about lariat ? worth the price ?

[snow robin]

would y'all put haste/crit gems in over haste/vers if you play fury offspec?

[compact jackal]

sim it vs the wrists

[last crest]

how to sim which i dont have ?

[mystic radish]

Item id from wowhead e.g

[raw cypress]

rhow about 5k?

[sick sentinel]

hey guys

where can i find chanell for rouge guides ?

anyone can help me

😐 ?

google it

[wary heath]

what

[sick sentinel]

in discord servers

as a prot warrior trying to push mythics, who should i watch ? what streamers play prot very well you guys can recommend ?

[static aspen]

Nice profile picture, is it you?

[sick sentinel]

yeah

[wary heath]

https://www.twitch.tv/tactyks

this is who i watch

[static aspen]

I wouldn't watch a streamer with bear avatar

[sick sentinel]

lmao

[topaz blaze]

395 tierset > Hunger of the pack trinket 415 ?

[slim dove]

Anyone can wear lariat.

[daring ember]

Any trick to doing temple this week? On a 12, the dragon boss was smacking me for 200k + a 90k healing absorb and it just kind of killed me once I ran out of CDs to use on it

[snow robin]

bro what is this garbonzo

[sick sentinel]

u thunk aton of that dungeon can be spell blocked

ampoule isnt good look at dmg

there are other trinket that do way moee at that ilvl

[median tulip]

How well does the all-totem work for us?

[snow robin]

ye it's ass

[sick sentinel]

196dps at urilvl

then again we are extremely happy when we get a 1k dps trinket

[compact jackal]

wiped at 1% on Terros with a 100th percentile pace

[vernal vale]

P1ka, Nomerator

[snow robin]

Bruh wtf the item called to add sockets to neck

[sick sentinel]

works good from what ive heard cany verify

[median tulip]

there are no numbers on the all-totem, tho

[sick sentinel]

30seconds is a major bread crumb

someone just needs to work out how much it hits for and later how much of that is base dmg and how much with main stat/other buff

[swift atlas]

hey, anyone used Strike twice? i just got in vault and wonder if it's worthy picking over my current weapon

[warm plinth]

It is

It doesn't lose budget for its effect afaik so it's just free damage

[swift atlas]

thanks, can u give me some feedback about this one too ?

[timid thicket]

Currently have 379 weapon and 372 shoulders. Got either a 405 Strike Twice or 398 Tier Shoulders in vault. Im thinking I go shoulders right? Catalyst not availble for a while etc

[warm plinth]

All-totem is probably the best tank trinket we've got this expansion. Might actually be worth taking, especially if you have a spark and just craft a weapon

[azure light]

so what do w take boys?

[sick sentinel]

crit vers

[warm plinth]

Tier, easy choice

[swift atlas]

that sounds amazingly smart, didn't think of that thanks! i have a spark waiting and can craft a weapon

[azure light]

ye what i was leaning towards, just wanted to check if the ring was insane to the point where i take it over tier

[bleak solar]

where/how do i get the most out of spell block in TJS?

[remote dawn]

what is this all totem trinket?

[warm plinth]

Basically procs one of those

[azure light]

oh this is the tier from raszageth??? then even easier choice no?

[blissful crypt]

Is is correct to use Ravager + Dragonroar on CD even on single target ? (unless you can wait a few seconds to line up with avatar).

I see it recommended in lots of guides, but then high logging prot warriors aren't casting it all that often.

(on pure single target fights)

[cinder nova]

Like who

And what are the fight times

[warm plinth]

yes you just press on CD but in a raid scenario you can probably hold it for like an add phase or something if you won't lose a cast overall

Or if you just really need the extra damage for the adds

[remote dawn]

ah this is a raid trinket

[warm plinth]

all-totem is, yes

I'd call it more of a defensive trinket than an offensive one though

[remote dawn]

than its no option for me 😄

[warm plinth]

yeah it's not mandatory anyway, don't worry haha

[vernal vale]

So something to consider is how long the fight is. That reduces the number of casts someone will get in.

[remote dawn]

what trinkets from M+? ruby shell and ?

[fast orbit]

whats everyones fav weapon enchant right now?

[vernal vale]

Main stat

[craggy harness]

Out of curiosity, I'm understanding that Spell Block adds the ability for Shield Block to block spells, so if I'm not blocking, i'm not spell blocking?

[cinder nova]

Yes.

It's kind of a dopey CD tbh, and it's only useful for specific encounters/dungeons.

[craggy harness]

ty

Yeah I was just using it on Rasz in a pug just so there's no way i fuck up

[vernal vale]

So yeah, spell block without shield block up only uses your base block chance.

But inside of shield block its incredibly strong against magical damage.

[silk sandal]

as an m+er is it reasonable to spend valor on upgrading the cos autoattack ring? Or should I focus trinkets?

[warm plinth]

Sure it's reasonable but I probably wouldn't do it right now unless you only have to upgrade it 1 or 2 ranks

[heavy temple]

398 tier helmet with socket or 415 gloves?

[hazy sluice]

boots and shoulder 376 ilvl

[warm plinth]

does the helm give you 2-piece/are you likely to get another tier piece soon @heavy temple

[hazy sluice]

shoulder would be my third piece

head i want the crafted one someday

[snow robin]

We can't override socketed gems can we? Like replace my R2 lariat gem with a R3?

[warm plinth]

probably take shoulders to get to 4-piece faster

[heavy temple]

Nah, dps have prio on that

[hazy sluice]

and boots are crit haste shoulder vers haste

[warm plinth]

Hmm, what ilevel are your current helm/gloves Nite?

[mighty valley]

you can always replace gems

[heavy temple]

I'm 396 ilvl, and the helm is only 3ilvl upgrade. both are 395

[snow robin]

So I can socket my R2 and slam in a R3 when it's cheaper ? I totally forgot

[warm plinth]

Probably just go for gloves unless you have enough copium that you'll get a tier piece in next vault XD

[mighty valley]

Yeah, and you can buy cheat enchants etc

[snow robin]

Thanks a lot 🙂

[warm plinth]

I would probably go for shoulders since it seems like you're accumulating tier pretty fast. Boots are good stats but boots can be gotten elsewhere

[hazy sluice]

aight

4 pierce is good for warr?

[mighty valley]

yeah, very defensive, but strong

turns brutal vitality into like 30% leech sort of

[fast knot]

Nokhud with people that can't kick or stand out of Upheaval on last boss

Reflect does absolute work on P2 though holy fuck haha

[mystic radish]

Is this even worth?

[mighty valley]

why not just take helm?

[mystic radish]

arent there better slots to get the set?

[swift bay]

i guess the ring is not that bad of a choice?(upgrading the lariat to 418 today so no neck from m+ choice)

[mighty valley]

getting tier sooner rather than later just seems good while content is hard

[mystic radish]

Okay :9

[warm plinth]

yeah tier > no tier until you have 4 pc then you can be picky

[mystic radish]

Since SMF is not that competitive whats the "best" offspec for prot if I push Haste > Vers >= Crit?

[mighty valley]

i'm just doing fury anyway because i don't like playing arms

[noble lynx]

https://i.imgur.com/iOVKAFE.png

is that trinket decent for prot

or do i just take 20 ilvl shoulders upgrade

[strong forum]

Shoulders easily

[stuck basin]

i have a strugle choosing my weekly item - its a 415 belt and the raid ring with fire dmg procc 408 - icy veins tells to craft the fire dmg procc embellishment on belt and makes ring nice - wowhead tells to build the dmg reflect on head

[digital frigate]

NOK +15 is actually easy this week

o_O

[noble lynx]

https://i.imgur.com/NhEEaJT.png

F

[strong forum]

Ya im also sitting on RLP

That's a weekly no leaver right there

[digital frigate]

Go join random run and reroll

[fast knot]

This week is revealing all of my guildies that didn't pay attention to boss mechanics

[digital frigate]

Ah

You too huh

[cinder nova]

Watching DPS wipe repeatedly on 2nd boss in AV

What the fuck is happening.

[fast knot]

That boss got pretty smacked by nerfs too

guess not enough

[cinder nova]

No, people are just brainlets.

It's so easy to avoid all the damage in that fight.

And they just get rolled by it.

I don't get it.

[digital frigate]

Azure Vault is a key that pugs kill in my experience

I try so hard to get it +15 last week

Nope.

[noble lynx]

it pulsates aoe during intermission

no?

[fast knot]

Someone always forgets add is up and it freecasts in the back

[cinder nova]

Yeah, but that's not what killed everyone.

[digital frigate]

The add trucks too

[cinder nova]

People dying to orbs, people dying to the frontal line

[digital frigate]

Important to kill it

[noble lynx]

pull boss on it

[cinder nova]

It's them, trust me. Stop trying to get out in front of it like they're defensible.

I'm watching people get steamrolled by avoidable damage.

[fast knot]

Melee standing in the cleave

[cinder nova]

Not even that.

[noble lynx]

face it away form them

[cinder nova]

Holy fuck

[noble lynx]

take 2 steps back before its coming

[cinder nova]

How many times do I have to say it

[digital frigate]

There are people that play

[cinder nova]

They're dying to the orb in P1

[digital frigate]

as if cleave doesnt exist in this game

lol

[cinder nova]

And the orbs in P2

And literally nothing else.

[digital frigate]

or they can take an orb

[unique shale]

So for grievous which one is better ?

[cinder nova]

Neither kekw

[swift bay]

oh nice, weekly no leavers gang unite

[rough gate]

best grevious spec

[unique shale]

[warm plinth]

See you next week

[unique shale]

come guys man up

[swift bay]

after depleting the 18 previous week, another ruby

[cinder nova]

Barbaric and Howl over IV

On a greiv week

My man what are you smoking

[unique shale]

pug

i can't even trust myself

leave alone pugs

[cinder nova]

Kite meta was SL S1 mate

You're living in the far-flung past

[unique shale]

so i have to face tank grievous for real ?

[cinder nova]

Yeah it's not that bad.

[digital frigate]

It really isn't

[loud patrol]

grievous is ez

[digital frigate]

Did +17 and no issue

:V

[unique shale]

https://tenor.com/view/he-man-i-have-the-power-sword-gif-5305079

[loud patrol]

my goal is to do all in at least +15

this week

and have it +20 before january

[unique shale]

cute

[loud patrol]

yeah im not an extreme tryhard

[fast knot]

This week is more about the other idiots not dying

[loud patrol]

i have issures trusting myself

[loud patrol]

arent those all aweeks?

[fast knot]

Fair

[unique shale]

is it every weak about other people not dying before tank ?

[fast knot]

I mean to be fair

actually fuck it

they don't cc or kick things you might plank

still their fault 🙂

[unique shale]

nah man just get a dh or pala tank for their mass interup

easy

[normal birch]

What is the best resource to find our bis trinkets for m+?

[loud patrol]

when they dont kick the thunderhead's thunderstrike after i reflected it and interrupted it

[unique shale]

lol

[unique shale]

wowhead

[loud patrol]

you would be surprised

[normal birch]

Thanks

[fast knot]

they kick my reflect cast

[unique shale]

i won't

[fast knot]

and then don't kick when I kick their cast

[loud patrol]

i had some lock and a hunter today in a +13 nokhud who didnt do a single interrupt

[digital frigate]

What is NOK spell reflect thing?

[unique shale]

i every time i shield reflect people kick it

[loud patrol]

wind burst

and the whole 2nd phase of the final boss

[fast knot]

Last boss conductive strike

is like omegablaster details dps

[unique shale]

[edgy spear]

Did 1.7m with conductive strike on a 16 last night

[limpid anchor]

Yo why does the raz trinket sim so bad? Effect read like a decent trinket but seems worse than my 379 turtle shell

[edgy spear]

omegablasting

[loud patrol]

ok guys what do you reflect: conductive or thunder strike from last boss?

[edgy spear]

conductive

big dot does much dam

[fast knot]

Conductive so healer can have one less thing to fumble their keyboards in panic

[loud patrol]

i was reflecting thudering

[unique shale]

btw did they put up new shield reflect spreadsheet ?

[edgy spear]

The Orbital Melee Player is always the best. Just runs circles around you and the pack until they get frontaled and then ask why you pointed the frontal at them

[fast knot]

at this rate I just let it happen and be like

get fucked

I always rotate that trash by back entrance clockwise

they are just stupid

[loud patrol]

this happened to me today at terros

some pugs standing behind me

[tired jasper]

So I got 415 Skovald shield and 411 Tier shoulders in Vault...leaning toward shield despite crit/mastery stats. I focus on M+ so no fast way in the next weeks to get tier sets. Any thoughts? 😄

[loud patrol]

get tier

[jolly granite]

Tier

[edgy spear]

[loud patrol]

you should get tier asap and when you get extra tier pieces you can worry about changing the stats that u dont want

[jolly granite]

Shield can be crafted

[edgy spear]

tier

[livid aurora]

My three choices are puzzle box, dragon games and strike twice. Not really a choice though 😂

[loud patrol]

ew

get dragon games at that point

[edgy spear]

Strike twice proc is decent

[livid aurora]

I swear I have vendored over 30 trinkets so far

[fast knot]

Puzzle box to flame your dps

[loud patrol]

lol

[tired jasper]

ok thanks for the clear feedback all!

[livid aurora]

Puzzle box is also the highest of the lot, so it would be a grand fy to dps

[fast knot]

Between that trinket

and the taliban Dathea raid trinket

my dps are giga boosted and die to shit all the time

Monk used it on CoS first boss

dies to fuckin sweeper

[edgy spear]

Puzzle box is really annoying to use

[livid aurora]

So far I have finished the water boss on temple with 3 or less people alive every time. Same goes for CoS first boss

Doesn't even matter if it's a high or low key

[fast knot]

First boss of Jade is no excuse anymore

last week quaking made it kind of fucked with Thundering but people just can't count to 3 anymore

[livid aurora]

Even if they don't get initially hit by the water beam, they get punted in the air by the water and still get beamed to death

dps life

[fast knot]

blast is pretty much a one shot from observation above like a 12

people may have been low from Grievous

[south zealot]

😩 ksm

[surreal sinew]

is the whispering icon worth considering?

[timid thicket]

Between 376 Horn of valor, 376 Battle Scarred scale and 389 Rumbling Ruby which would you use

[loud patrol]

god damn it idot

im taking it slow

[south zealot]

my io is super ugly right now tho

[steady steppe]

Kinda stupid how ksm doesn't get you dragon riding mount like how razageth / glad does

[loud patrol]

my max right now is 12

or i get bad pugs or i dont feel confident

[lyric elm]

He didn't pug

[loud patrol]

i have a group but we are just 3

[lyric elm]

So results are incomparable

[loud patrol]

and we have to gable with the other 2 dps we get

gamble*

and im finishing my 12 with like 5 mins extra or less

idk if that cuz of me or the dps

[lyric elm]

It's all dps

[cinder storm]

I was helping a friend farm NO, we did about 7 of them today, all 10s, all +2 except one where two dps did less than me, still depleted over a minute because the healer decided it was better to wipe on last boss, 5 min and 25% to spare

[south zealot]

yes i did

for most of my keys

i think 3 keys ive ran with some guildies

[loud patrol]

then i get bad pugs or idk

[limpid anchor]

Pugs seem to get a bit better on 15+. Horrible from 10-13

[median niche]

EU servers up?

[loud patrol]

i would say is the server cluster im from but im with area 52

[neon elk]

Guess that granyth scale trinket isnt super good right?

[left zodiac]

hey guysm quick question, how do u handle the serpent strike in TJS 3rd boss, especially the heal absorb part? im dying in +15 no matter what to that

393 ilvl

[south zealot]

yes

[dull frost]

How strong is prot warrior 2piece?

[warm plinth]

It's hard not to overpull in CoS because the 2nd part of the dungeon can change pretty drastically depending on what items are spawned and where the enforcers spawn

The timer is fairly lenient though so just be efficient getting from one to the next and you should be fine

[warm plinth]

And don't feel like you need to get every item

Just get the ones that are convenient

[dull frost]

I got this as my vault, and I'm thinking of taking the 411 Cape for ilv. Or should I go for 395 chest in anticipation of the tier bonus?

[sage granite]

WTF that's so similar to mine

[dull frost]

Cape is a 35 ilv upgrade for me, and chest is 3ilvs

[midnight burrow]

the cape is bis too IIRC

pretty much set for the season with it

[dull frost]

It's a haste vers cape

But I'd be sacrificing prot warr 2 piece bonus if I took the cape

[warm plinth]

If you can get 2pc, get 2pc

[umbral crest]

Quick question. 421 shield or 415 tier hands from vault?

[warm plinth]

shield

[fringe veldt]

Hey guys, I have a 415 windscar whetstone and a 415 Blazebinder's Hoof in my vault. I’m leaning towards whetstone. Any thoughts?

[dull frost]

Even by sacrificing the ilv? Especially when we going to catalyst it later

The 395 would be replaced

[warm plinth]

2pc is basically a free 5% damage and 5% DR

You won't be able to catalyst for another like 4 weeks

[umbral crest]

@warm plinth u sure? Im leaning towards tier, as shield drops from frist boss mythic?

[dull frost]

4weeks?!

Okay tier it is then 🤣

[warm plinth]

Yeah, 6 weeks after launch is when they said we could catalyst

[dull frost]

I see, thank you so much

[night sundial]

is this any good? not sure if worth taking over 405 weap

[warm plinth]

your call if you wanna take the risk but I always take a high ilevel shield when it's offered personally

[warm plinth]

it is not worth taking over a weapon

[night sundial]

alright thanks

it does say very rare on drop list, i assume it sucks without a lot of ppl with it

[limpid anchor]

Cds and a better healer

[warm plinth]

445 vers is a really small amount of vers so you'd likely have to have multiple others with it before it would be even halfway decent

[night sundial]

yeah i guess, thanks!

[marble cipher]

open as prot or as fury?
I usually open my vaults as prot till I get a high ilvl shield, but since first boss drops a shield, might not be as important to open as prot now?

[warm plinth]

Fury could potentially net you a 2h weapon which would be bad unless you plan on offspeccing fury

(or arms I suppose)

I always open as prot until I have a shield personally

[marble cipher]

maybe I'll stick to prot, for now, I do offspec into fury for raids every so often, but 95% of the time I'll be playing prot

[timid thicket]

Between 376 Horn of valor, 376 Battle Scarred scale and 389 Rumbling Ruby which would you use

[loud patrol]

i guess horn

i say sim it

[limber flame]

Did +16 Temple, 2nd boss absolutely shredding the entire group even swapping at 4 stacks LOL

[loud patrol]

wait u are supposed to swap?

[limber flame]

yeah lol

[velvet stone]

Welp first vault is an easy choice :D

[loud patrol]

i mean afte gets inmune i swap lmao

[timid thicket]

I guess my question is if the defense value of battle scarred scale is better

[limber flame]

he is immune and is giga buffed damage lol

[loud patrol]

oh not by a mile

[timid thicket]

But horn of valor has a ton of vers

[loud patrol]

i got a nice healer and use defensives

[limber flame]

yeah my resto couldnt handle it even while d stance and defensives

[loud patrol]

well thats sort of an answer

isnt resto really bad right now?

[limber flame]

resto druid

[loud patrol]

oh

i thought shaman

[limber flame]

nah resto druid, tried swappign at 6 boss is slamming me into the dirt

[mighty valley]

no one's unusuably bad right now

[limpid anchor]

You swap at 7 to avoid downtime, if you go until immunity both of them won’t be attackable at one point

[mighty valley]

remember last expansion when everyone was shitting on us?

[loud patrol]

ohhhh

[mighty valley]

don't be doing that to someone else

[loud patrol]

true

[compact jackal]

my god

am I the lord of the offset?

[rough gate]

wait are we not all fotm rerollers here

[limber flame]

also had the first boss of temple desync three times in a row KEKW

[loud patrol]

im just mad i cant play resto shaman in pvp anymore

[compact jackal]

I have 402 offset in all slots now lmfao

[peak badger]

Guys should i take 418 chest or 408 tier shoulders? Looks like prot tier is not that good for m+

[loud patrol]

tier

[limpid anchor]

Why is prot tier not good for m+?

[loud patrol]

was gonna ask the same

[limpid anchor]

It’s a flat increase to dmg and def

[limber flame]

yeah if anything just go for 2 set for damage increase

[peak badger]

unless i get procs im not wasting rage on revenge

vs magic dmg shit

[loud patrol]

prob cuz is not like other tier sets like " execute also executes the persone behind the keyboard you are executing"

[limpid anchor]

What

[limber flame]

revenge is big damage

[limpid anchor]

Wdym wasting rage on revenge

[jagged pier]

thats really bad play

[limpid anchor]

Do you just spam ip or what

[peak badger]

vs magic dmg

vs phys packs or bosses sure

[limpid anchor]

So every pack

[peak badger]

plenty of rage

[limpid anchor]

Nah mate

[crimson furnace]

how important is the tier piece forus??

[loud patrol]

its huge

[rough gate]

might as well just delete ur character if you dont have it yet

its that good

[loud patrol]

lol

[glass shale]

Is this trinket any good?

[loud patrol]

i wonder. can u sim anything u dont have or sim stuff in the vault?

[limber flame]

you can sim stuff in your vault

[loud patrol]

ok

[loud patrol]

[jagged pier]

as far as i know that trinket is nothing speical

🤷

[wary plume]

did mobs and bosses always weirdly strafe around you while you stand still?

driving me nuts

[loud patrol]

526 vers and 40k hp is not that much

[jagged pier]

yes

[loud patrol]

yes

[jagged pier]

been doing that for year now

[compact jackal]

I have 42% haste.

I need more.

[spice orbit]

new to prot and kinda looking for input on this. Apparently the Puzzle Box is not bad? Reads unfun tho. I tend towards the shoulders... (crit mastery tho)

[mighty valley]

puzzle box is really pretty annoying for tanks

[spice orbit]

I am currently running 379 Battle Scared Scale and Gral's Discarded Tooth...

[rough gate]

crit is giga chad status tho

[mighty valley]

shoulders are looking pretty good

[broken mulch]

🤔 all totem trinket on normal ilv,,, worth taking or nah haha rest are 2 shields, a belt and pants, would all only be temp items cuz of thei lvl

[mighty valley]

just big ilvl increases are the main thing right now

[spice orbit]

is it? I thought I'd just use it on any bigger pulls

[mild jolt]

Is there a excel Dokument on what spells are currently reflecrable in DF RAID / m+ , Like it was in SL ?

[broken mulch]

@mild jolt yes check pins

[mild jolt]

Thanks, scrolled over it

[mighty valley]

puzzle box is also a big infusion of our worst stat

[spice orbit]

true... just checked blood mallet and it seems to rank surprisingly high on multi target. That's why I got worried on passing it for the shoulders

[limpid anchor]

[mild jolt]

Atleast the Pin in the FAQ sectiom leads to a SL doc. Not DF.

[rough gate]

you gotta learn all those by heart before the DF one unlocks

[sand pebble]

Links to df for me

[limpid anchor]

For me as well

[mild jolt]

Strange, i got to the SL doc

[vernal iris]

Tanking in a wr 140 guild. The Windscar trinket sims +2.5k, Diurna ring +600. Don't know if I can realistically play the Windscar trinket the entire tier though, with Whispering Incarnate Icon being a thing purely for overall raid DPS + Eranog trinket.
Opinions?

[limpid anchor]

Clear yo cache

[mild jolt]

I'll try it on my PC later.

But thanks

[rough gate]

the FAQ channel does not appear to be updated at all, the current ones in pins in this channel

[plain zinc]

Hey all, any idea whether a primal molten defender with armor spike or a shield of the hearth would see longer use over the xpac on a M+ focused, minimal-raiding prot warr?

[limpid anchor]

Oh ye the faq has the sl one

[compact jackal]

if you get shield of the hearth I'm going to come beat you up

[plain zinc]

why? XD

im usually fury, but i might have to offspec tank when tank cant make it

[compact jackal]

just get pmd

[broken mulch]

@vernal iris i don't know too much about it, but generally when there's a m+ trinket or piece that i concider and i get the option of 421 i'll take it, cuz i can't get that ilvl any other way ^^ rest of the items you seem to be able to 'just get'

[rough gate]

just tank in fury spec, i wanna beleive

[cerulean nymph]

So how good's the Court of Stars ring for prot? Talking about the increased auto attack damage one.

[plain zinc]

yes i see the recommendation for pmd around, but why? im really low on vers as fury so...

[compact jackal]

bad stats on shield, bad embellishment

[zealous willow]

Is set worth taking into

but normal

[compact jackal]

the allied wristguards are good for fury and prot and a better use of an embellishment along with lariat

doubles up for both

[oblique garnet]

Grieftorch is probably best

Legs are tier right?

[compact jackal]

no

[plain zinc]

ok i'll look into that thanks, maybe i will just rock along with a 372 draconium defender lolz

[rancid python]

Hmm, really don't know what to think about this vault, seems like the crit/haste ring is the only option right? Trinket is bad and other ring is crit/mastery <.<

[rough gate]

man that red spot made me think i gained a random dead pixel for a minute lmfao

[vernal iris]

Damn, didn't sim droptimizer as dps. That's a +2.5k sim and a really interesting prog choice

[compact jackal]

🤔

[onyx matrix]

lol I could choose between 2 tier pieces xD

[compact jackal]

I wonder when my name will get a forced name change.

[sleek gulch]

Can anyone tldr me why burgeoning seed is bad? Is it just bad proc rate on the stacks?

[craggy surge]

are you opening the vault with lootspec fury/arms for better trinkets or do you still go prot for that? a alredy have a crafted shield and a decent weapon for tanking aswell

[shut lodge]

Should i take ring when i have crafted belt? or just take anything els

Currently have CoS and cobalt one

[zealous willow]

i opened as arms and i got 2h on my max ilvl 😄

[rancid python]

Opened as prot and got the stupid seed, was a mistake lol

Really hoped for a 421 shield tho

[zealous willow]

395 tier set is trash right ?

[halcyon imp]

hmm plz help i was going for the highest ilvl for the 1st week but i think chest is better cause i can get gloves with better secondary stats

[drifting pecan]

Is there a soft cap for haste?

[oblique garnet]

Grieftorch is mainly just because well tank is never gonna be the first to get it

[jade pulsar]

I'm a little bit split, I'm guessing taking tier helmet is the way to go, i already have the belt 392 - helmet feels like I wont see that many of seeing token is on rasz and next upgrade is mythic rasz

[cosmic lichen]

whats the typical ignore pain uptime on average in raid?

My guild is comparing me to the other tank, a DH. Who seems to be doing a lot of overhealing. At the end of the day, the net/net is after my mitigation and external healing, they are expelling less healing on me than him, but are still saying I take too much damage.

[solar blade]

does anything really change in tyr for our talent build?

[errant sedge]

Search another guild lul @cosmic lichen

[solar blade]

might see the devastate talent in st for more slam proccs

[cosmic lichen]

I dont disagree with you, but why do you say that?

[solar blade]

maybe his guild is right and he is playing wrong who knows

or wrongly in certain scenarios

[errant sedge]

Less healing and on the other hand to much dmg? So i don't get the point there

[topaz crescent]

Juicy vault

[solar blade]

sigma do you have ip capped out all the time?

[limpid anchor]

Because they compare apple to oranges, suggesting that they are incompetent

[onyx matrix]

Lol can you get tier pieces from m+ too? Interesting

[toxic pebble]

Does anyone know the proc chance/%dmg done overall in keys for the weapon from Nokhud Offensive called Strike Twice? Currently have an option to pick it in my vault atm, but not sure if the weapon is bugged on proc chance like so many other things, or if it's actually good?

[limpid anchor]

@cosmic lichen you should link a log if you want actual answers

[solar blade]

yes show log possibly

[solar blade]

i hate you, sir.

[west meadow]

is this good for prot? I've not seen people using it but is that just because of the drop chance?

[cosmic lichen]

Broodkeeper fight is one to look at

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MpnCwHN9VXA4grZb/#fight=6

[solar blade]

look up bloodmallet and do sims i guess?

[cosmic lichen]

we havent downed normal raz yet

[limpid anchor]

Bit funny tho

You have a very bad sb uptime

[livid aurora]

What do we think about this?

[autumn kelp]

should block can be 100% uppieT

[limpid anchor]

I’m not 100% how it is when you tank the adds

And assume you did?

[slim dove]

50% uptime, pretty good.

[limpid anchor]

I have trouble on phone checking it :D

[solar blade]

@cosmic lichen your healers also seem to overheal a lot, dont know if thats the standard case?

[slim dove]

1 chance to loot every 4 weeks, very not good.

[cosmic lichen]

Theyre not overhealing me lol

[slim dove]

arcanocrystal ptsd setting in.

[solar blade]

not you but like the evoker has over 50% overheal on that fight

im not into healers so im asking if thats standard practice to overheal so much while you could to dmg?

[cosmic lichen]

I think I cast revenge too much and should save that rage for sb and IP

[steady steppe]

Anyone know why I only have 1 log on Warcraft logs

[edgy belfry]

so is the hoof trinket good or meh?

[jagged pier]

because u dont log

and someone logs with a group u were in

[toxic pebble]

Does anyone know the proc chance/%dmg done overall in keys for the weapon from Nokhud Offensive called Strike Twice? Currently have an option to pick it in my vault atm, but not sure if the weapon is bugged on proc chance like so many other things, or if it's actually good?

[steady steppe]

I see

[onyx sandal]

For the Elemental Lariat. Should we be putting in gems that have haste as the primary stat or secondary stat, since the buff empowers the secondary stat?

[steady steppe]

I need the addon to log it?

[jade pulsar]

the game itself doesn't log - u need the loggerhead addon for that, then upload with warcraft logs uploader

[steady steppe]

Ok ty

[cosmic lichen]

the lariat empowers your socketed gem

[cinder storm]

Like 1% it's a decent weapon nothing to write home about

[jade pulsar]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/help/start

[onyx sandal]

Yeah but it only empowers the secondary stat of said gem. So if I have a Haste/Vers gem, it only buffs my vers no?

[cosmic lichen]

Haste is a secondary stat

[onyx sandal]

At least that's what WoWHead says and what my test dummy bashing shows

[toxic pebble]

So a 421 chest would be better, and then I just craft main hand weapon next week?

[onyx sandal]

secondary stat to the gem itself

[cosmic lichen]

I dont see how you get that from the tooltip

[onyx sandal]

An Energized Ysemerald for example is primary haste secondary versatility

70 haste 33 vers

[cosmic lichen]

I just have 3 88 haste gems in my lariat

[jagged pier]

ew

[onyx sandal]

wouldn't it be better to have split gems given the sum of the two is > than just one primary secondary?

[tulip kelp]

Do I need to taunt all the little trees from AA tree boss?

[jagged pier]

more stats> than less better stats

[cosmic lichen]

Youre probably right

[cinder storm]

What's the ilvl of your current vs vault? I'd still take chest

[south zealot]

what

[onyx sandal]

and if so that's why I'm asking, what secondary should be the "primary" vs. the "secondary"

[jagged pier]

u need to get aggro on all of them

[toxic pebble]

Current chest 372, vault chest 421
Current weapon 392, vault strike twice 418

[tulip kelp]

@jagged pier How do I not die then? lol

[cinder storm]

Chest

[toxic pebble]

Alright, thanks man!

[south zealot]

poison dispel in your group

[tulip kelp]

From healer?

[south zealot]

or windwalker/ret/evoker dps

[errant sedge]

@cosmic lichen compare your logs with other warriors who have cleared hc/mytic there you will see the difference in sb/IP Uptime and so on

[south zealot]

might be missing one

[tender quartz]

What kinda Tier-Slot would you avoid the most regarding Stats? Helm with Haste Mast or the Hands mit Crit Mast

[south zealot]

only some heaters have poison cleanse

[cosmic lichen]

I have, on movement fights I'm not too much below, on stand still fights, im below

[errant sedge]

@tender quartz you already have 4p set? When not take what you can get

[tender quartz]

Ney, but I'm planning running 2P only and looking what I wanna M+ Upgrade now

[onyx sandal]

So anyone have any further thoughts on this? I'm leaning towards primary vers gems with haste secondary to just have steady vers uptime with spikes in haste

[cinder storm]

Haste crit

[south zealot]

i have one haste crit one haste vers and one strength haste

[jagged pier]

u want 4 set tho

[toxic pewter]

Me critboy

[onyx sandal]

the strength haste isn't an elemental gem so that'll never proc though

unless you're fine with that

[tender quartz]

Do I really want 4 Set if I have yet to press Shieldwall once in 16's with sub 390

Feel what I'm getting at. It just reads so shit

[south zealot]

?

[toxic pewter]

Wait wat y actively not get 4pc

[tender quartz]

As in rushing*

[toxic pewter]

That makes no sense

[cinder storm]

Pull bigger then

[heavy temple]

I dunno what I want for trinkets. I've got the Eranog on use, but my 2nd one is still a 379 shell. Is the nokhud one a nice replacement? As a dps i never wanted 2 on use,is that generally true for tanks as well?

[south zealot]

do you just avoid shieldwalling massive tank hits

[tender quartz]

I mean I feel no threat yet is what I'm trying to say hence why I wanna chill on the 4P and not rush it

I was stable the entire last week is what I mean. There were no massive hits

[south zealot]

[cinder storm]

For all that matters, having tier regardless of stats is better than not having it

[south zealot]

not shield walling a single time on fortified

[cinder storm]

Even if every stats on those are vers mast I'd still take them

[cosmic lichen]

Seems like the mythic prot warriors are all over 30% haste from gear alone, and are gemming for vers

[tender quartz]

I just never dropped? And I am not saying I dont wanna run 4P, I said 4P happens whenever, but if I wanna rush 2P, which one of those would you avoid.

[toxic pewter]

Yah I’m trying to get 4 pc asap I’m 3/4 and haven’t done raid yet this week

[jagged pier]

yes free

IPs

thats why u want it

its nothing to do with

[inland mesa]

Is normal tier worth the drop in ilvl?

[round socket]

is it ill-advised to use a spark on an engineering bit of gear for the ability to socket battle rez for mythic + ?

[jagged pier]

oh i donot feel like i need it

[tender quartz]

Aighty lemme rephrase. Would you rather take Haste / Mast Helm or Crit / Mast Hands. Better? :D

Jakey I worded it badly up above ya

[limpid anchor]

No, take what you think you need

[jagged pier]

well as your likely want pvp helm

[limpid anchor]

But you lose dmg

[south zealot]

you’re already doing 16s without pressing shield wall so why does it matter

[vale bloom]

you 3/4 set without raid?

[south zealot]

youre a good gamer u should tell us what to run

[fossil cosmos]

Hi peeps, i am not sure what to do with this ring https://www.wowhead.com/item=195526/seal-of-filial-duty?bonus=7935. What is the best source for the fire damage proc? is it any good?

[lost canyon]

which one guys xD i'm thinking the finger cause it's a very rare drop from raid

[jagged pier]

we dont do fire damage

[south zealot]

frostfire belt is the “best”

[tender quartz]

Why are you feeling attacked Dot. No reason to ride around it. I just didn't feel the need as I felt stable. Nothing more to it

[toxic pewter]

Yah last week I got 1 piece, 1 more piece from vault today and 1 piece from lfr gloves. Gonna do normal and heroic tomorrow

[south zealot]

why does it being very rare impact your decision

[inland mesa]

I just made someone a 418 infurous helm, need to run more 16s to finish mine

[limpid anchor]

Has the ring any value except for fire mage and shamans

[onyx sandal]

the ring has value with the trinket

[limpid anchor]

Or lock I guess

[onyx sandal]

but that's about it

[vale bloom]

oh its lfr this week already? 😄

[lost canyon]

cause i'm raiding with my guild and i'll probably loot it last

[toxic pewter]

Yah might as well do it and try to get gloves from dathea

[south zealot]

and?

[jolly wasp]

Been stuck thinking over this for the past hour, I need help. 😛

[toxic pewter]

The ilvl isn’t ideal but I value the tier set bonuses personally

[south zealot]

if pocket lint was rare that doesnt make it more desirable

[inland mesa]

Is 2/4 set worth lfr or even normal ilvl drop from 398 pieces?

[tender quartz]

4% DR and Dam are probably worth loosing 10iLvLs probably what you got right now equipped. :p

[toxic pewter]

I personally would take weapon

[fossil cosmos]

Best item to proc the ring? worth getting you reckon?

[south zealot]

i dont think so personally

[compact jackal]

yes

it turns the belt into like

[toxic pewter]

The 4% dr/dam is actually great I feel it when I play

[compact jackal]

a 3% damage embellishment

[fossil cosmos]

yeah absolute shit vault today, this ring was actually my best option haha

[lost canyon]

Unstable Frostfire Belt procs the ring?

[rough solar]

No way I'm taking boots, right?

[fossil cosmos]

all other slots higher ilvl or better stats

[compact jackal]

it does fire damage yes

[toxic pewter]

I would take tier legs

[inland mesa]

Legs gives you 2 piece? Then no

[hollow parcel]

What embellishment are you guys making? Neck and weapon?

[cinder storm]

Legs obviously

[rough solar]

First set piece

[warm plinth]

@ionic fern hi ily

[inland mesa]

You can sim, but I would still go tier. Closer to 2 piece

How are people getting to 37% haste D: is all my m+ stuff just horrible stats

[sick sentinel]

What we thinking, tier hands or 418 shield
Its likely I will get 2 set from raid this reset

[south zealot]

shield

[sick sentinel]

I think so too

Will be used until mythic Brood shield

[thick mauve]

Look like a good trinket for us no?

[lyric geode]

I don’t understand. All of m+ gear is stat shitty. Not enough haste to be honest.

[worthy linden]

https://i.imgur.com/EBL9Nxb.png

[limpid anchor]

Why need stats if you play the most busted tank

[worthy linden]

shield or tier? current shield is 389 from first boss on normal and shoulders are 402 from first boss on heroic

[lyric geode]

I mean. With so much crit/mastery I have, I feel I play mm hunter

[lyric geode]

Shoulders

[worthy linden]

yeah that's what i've been thinking too

i feel like i will curse my shield luck for the next few weeks if i dont take this lol

[lyric geode]

Tier piece is quite good.

Can I ask? Do I have to do raid to get tier set? Or just m+ and I can convert gear to tier set?

[limpid anchor]

M+ is enough

[warm plinth]

You can convert eventually but it's gonna be another month or so.

You can get tier pieces from M+ vault slots though

[limpid anchor]

5 more weeks

[limpid anchor]

I think

[warm plinth]

Small chance (like 10%) but possible

[lyric geode]

I mean with my current luck and my luck on previous patches, I didn’t get any tier piece sets. I always find it hard. My teammates know about it and laugh.

[limpid anchor]

That trinke my sucks so much :(

[lyric geode]

Imagine that my mm hunter friend got sylvanas bow first week.

[warm plinth]

That's pretty juicy

[lyric geode]

The dk rolled his KT weapon as well pretty soon.

[lyric geode]

I am kinda the unluckiest man alive in terms of gear lootboxes.

[ivory cairn]

do we use that thing? seems good haste proc but the dmg

alternatives for me are the ruby whelp and idol

[lyric geode]

You inflict yourself 10k dmg but you get 1.5k haste?

[ivory cairn]

looks like yeah

[lyric geode]

Where do I sign for the mazochist club?

[gusty sparrow]

tier or higher ilvl gloves? am thinking tier as can eventually upgrade with valor

[lyric geode]

Agree as well.

Tier>> Ilvl for me.

[ivory cairn]

looks like 2ppm

[loud hull]

for academy this week what healer and tank would u run?

[lyric geode]

2 ppm ?????

It’s huge!!!

50% uptime.

[long stone]

its one of BiS

[ivory cairn]

seems to be same as writ

(Overcharged buff)

about 30% uptime?

guess more like in 25 range

[golden haven]

can anyone help me please. highest ilvl upgrade will be the ring with vers/crit or i take set gloves with the lowest ilvl upgrade (would be the first t item and no bonus)

[limpid anchor]

Wait till after raid

[golden haven]

i don't raid 😦

[vagrant relic]

good? if yes what do u use it with?

[thorny stone]

i wont be raiding till january, trinket or tier?

how good is it?

[golden haven]

A- on wowhead

[cerulean spear]

hey guys ever find urself in a big pull just spamming all ur rage into ignore pain to keep it up?

is that the correct play or should i use damage to keep it up?

[ionic fern]

No, because keeping ignore pain up isn't a priority.
If you're in a big pull with a lot of rage income then yes, spam IP to prevent overcap.

[cerulean spear]

ok so lets say i have Shield block up some bleeds up etc but im getting chonked

whats my prio then?

[obsidian path]

Shield wall 🤔

[cerulean spear]

so ignore pain isnt that high prio unless rage capped?

[obsidian path]

IP would be my pick, it's half damage taken in the end

Depends on how well you trust your healer too

[ionic fern]

If you are playing the spec correctly you will have IP up regardless. IN general it's used as a off GCD rage spender.

[obsidian path]

I'll let competent tankers answer

👆

[cerulean spear]

@ionic fern so i should use IP in between GCDs to be optimal

got it

[maiden glade]

Is 371 item lvl to low for a prot warrior in Vault

[cosmic lichen]

no

[cerulean spear]

laoch its not but u wont get invited

lol

[obsidian path]

Some healers like a challenge

[maiden glade]

My guild went 3 of 8 last night

[cerulean spear]

too many 380s applying

for them to take 370s

i ran 5 pugs last week would never inv 370 just coz so many 385 applying

but 370 can tank it ez

[maiden glade]

I guess I made a mistake asking here. Truth hurts I guess,but so does elitism

[thorny stone]

They literally told you that you can tank it but pugs wont pick you

[limpid anchor]

We have a 370 tank for HC

[thorny stone]

My offtank subbed 3 days ago and its 376ilvl atm, get to work

[eager phoenix]

weird take laoch

[limpid anchor]

And it’s fine

[maiden glade]

My apologies. It's early and I'm tired

[solemn magnet]

just find a guild

[maiden glade]

I'm in one

[warm plinth]

I still love you

[tulip kelp]

Has anyone done tree in AA over a 15 this week? Wondering what kinda dps is needed

Timing is super awkward and I take so much damage.. not sure what else to do

[high drum]

tree without poison cleanse

[maiden glade]

I haven't had a chance to run many dungeons due to work and holidays,but in my experience dungeons and key runs are stingy AF

[tulip kelp]

Feels like I need to delay the green ring until after second germinate.. but the dudes are alive for so long

[ocean prism]

yo how good is the tier set for m+?

[warm plinth]

Quite solid

2pc is basically free 4% damage/DR

[ocean prism]

hmm i could get a weapon which is 10ilvl higher than mine or my first set piece both are 411 out of the vault what should i take?

[limpid anchor]

Set

[errant sedge]

Get the Set

[ocean prism]

kk thanks guys

[unique shale]

hey guys how do you deal with shield of light ?

[frail scaffold]

for raid gloves set or this, thanks 😄

[deft dust]

What is this? A screenshot for ants?

[warm plinth]

meaning like, it's doing too much damage or

[errant sedge]

Do you rly make a pic with your phone?

[silent anchor]

Take tht on a potato?

[unique shale]

i getting one shot

[warm plinth]

now there's the halls of valor we all know and love 😂

how much damage is it doing? On what level?

[unique shale]

+13 376k damage

[warm plinth]

wtf 😂

[torn gulch]

is that magic damage?

[warm plinth]

yeh

[unique shale]

[torn gulch]

i guess reflect for 20%?

less magic

during it

[warm plinth]

Yeah I imagine you'll just have to be topped and rotate CDs for it

You shouldn't need CDs for any other part of the encounter

[torn gulch]

except eye

[warm plinth]

tank shouldn't really need a CD for eye though

[torn gulch]

rally goes in one of those

oh yeah not for tank

[warm plinth]

Oh yeah I meant like personal CDs

definitely rally for eye 100%

[torn gulch]

welcome to tyr hyrja enjoy your teeth in the ground

[unique shale]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-zyzz-zyzz-yes-bodybuilder-gif-23904689

[errant sedge]

How are M+ dungeon so far?

[unique shale]

easy with overgear healer

[torn gulch]

second boss in notgood offensive it actually bad

expecially in decent keys

[errant sedge]

Ruby experience anyone?

[torn gulch]

well second and last boss are what you expect

mostly last boss

[digital delta]

They nerfed 2nd boss no?

[spark cedar]

When Christmas comes early

[solar crown]

Does bursting have a range? If so, how far away do you have to be to avoid it

[brittle urchin]

Hey guys is there any link to see Prot Bis gears ?

[wraith onyx]

second boss in Halls of Valor. The shield knockback thing. Is that magic damage that can be mitigated på spell reflect?

[compact dove]

Is this new that we could also get Items from Raid in the M+ Vault ?
Friend got tset for his 13+ key 402 xD ?!?

[spark cedar]

u can get it anywhere, i got it on pvp gear in vault

[neon elk]

It works like this since S3 SL iirc

[crimson furnace]

pls help!!

[little ermine]

shield everyday

[crimson furnace]

i have 418 shield

[little ermine]

oh

[neon elk]

Then either ring or shoulders, depends which are bigger upgrade

But easily simable

[crimson furnace]

shoulders are 17 ilvl

[brisk gust]

Isn’t the trinket huge

[little ermine]

do you have 2p already or not ?

[crimson furnace]

0 tier set

no luck 1st week

worst rolls of my life

didnt roll over 10

on those tokens

[neon elk]

I would go for 20ilvl lower options tbh

Wouldnt**

[warm hill]

how well does go for warrior tanks?

[little ermine]

i'd go for the shoulders then, its' good ilvl, and eventually you could transform them in a set piece

[crimson furnace]

yhea, was thinking the same...

[crimson furnace]

long run

[brisk gust]

Still thinking if i should take 408 diurnas ring with the fire proc and waste one of my spark on the frostfire belt or just take the 418 ring and use my sparks om weap/shield then Lariat when we get the 3rd

[lyric geode]

I feel Lariat is above weapon.

[brisk gust]

Ye may prio neck and wait with shield/weap

[lyric geode]

Shield? Debatable. You could argue the extra survivibility isnt needed for current content.

[brisk gust]

Would you prio the raid ring over 10 ilvl m+ ring tho

[lyric geode]

Yes, if only you manage to make belt.

[raw panther]

got a quick question. wowhead guide suggests to craft the https://www.wowhead.com/item=190507/primal-molten-longsword, can i swap this with the mace too? or is there any advantage when choosing sword over mace

[brisk gust]

Ye just thinking if i benefit more of the ring + belt over the other

[lyric geode]

Yes, but the real question, if and when you will manage to get the ring?

Dont make something you will need in one month. Maybe you wont get lucky.

[brisk gust]

I have the ring i vault 408

[lyric geode]

Ah ok.

[brisk gust]

But i have a 418 ring aswell

[lyric geode]

Hmmm

I dont know, then.

Highly subjective opinion, but I would take ring, plus I would craft belt.

[brisk gust]

Ye would be cool to try out the equip effects tbh

[lyric geode]

But consider that take another opinion from fellow players as well.

Don't need to rush.

[craggy pilot]

hmm, to open vault in Arms for Whetstone chance, or open in Prot for 1h chance 🤔

anyone have any tips? if i already have 405 shield from craft

[mystic radish]

BV fixed`?

[craggy pilot]

hmm, 2h for offspec, or tier piece 405 🤔

[jagged pier]

u take the tier piece it can be upgraded

[craggy pilot]

ah ye tru

even if i potentially get the same tier piece in raid today? 🤔

[jagged pier]

well thats higher than normal raid

which is what u do

and u cant upgrade raid tier pieces

[craggy pilot]

13/13 is still higher than HC i reckon?

[jagged pier]

13/13 is lowest mythic ilvl

[craggy pilot]

thats like 415 or so

well guess that decides it 😄 im not crafting Infurious helmet

[vagrant birch]

What do you even take

[crisp vigil]

Could also use some help! Have 382 wep, 385 shoulders and 392 hands. Also have one primal infusion. Was thinking pick tier-shoulders and craft wep, thoughts?

[craggy pilot]

now i just need 1700 / 2000 / 2400 r.io to upgrade the helmet 😄

[hexed crescent]

how can i add 2 sockets to elemental lariat?

[median tulip]

You need a Tiered Medallion Setting

[brisk gust]

So ye i'm 70% sure to take the 408 ring over the other and get the belt and neck with sparks and wait with crafting weap and shield https://gyazo.com/febb161de49e5b22067dafc873e0ec81

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/ken-jeong-community-too-small-to-read-read-reading-gif-5494204

hkmm taking a ring we cant proc without a trinket or embelishment

over a shield

[brisk gust]

We can if i get the belt + i've the decorative flame trinket

haven't used my sparks yet

Gotta spend one on Lariat, the other on the belt if i take the ring

Or i take the shield upgrade it to 415 and craft 405 weap + 405 lariat

[untold adder]

what gems should i smack in a elemental lariat?

[median tulip]

What's the PPM on Shield of the Hearth?

[ionic fern]

2 iirc

[errant leaf]

guys what does ruby whelp shell do ?

[untold adder]

a shit ton of dmg + stat proc

[errant leaf]

sweet

good for us then ?

[warm plinth]

main stat/haste and two haste/crit or haste/vers

[untold adder]

ty

[normal lion]

Neck with high crit/low haste, head with Crit/mastery and socket and trinket with str/mastery fucking omega yikes vault, no clue what I should pick, i'll probably just get the tier from the raid row after doing normal this week and hope I get 2 set from it, unless someone has a big dick advice

[steady steppe]

Head is set piece no?

[brisk gust]

What's the diff between useing a rank 3 and a rank 2 Illimited Diamond on Lariat neck, the price diff with 30k+ gold

[strong forum]

Just use r2

People can't guarantee r5 without an inspo proc anyway

So using r3 mats is just bait

[brisk gust]

Ty 🙂

[strong forum]

Much cheaper to spam re-craft r2 mats until you get the ilvl you want

[normal lion]

Only the 398 one, I can't convert the 408 to set until they add the conversion thingy, which should arrive in mid january :C

[mint imp]

once you get 2-piece, is it better to drop Barbaric Training to keep Vanguard uptime? Or Revenge dmg pays off?

[steady steppe]

Yea I thought when u said socketed head u meant the tier piece

[upper hollow]

Who did only mythic has a chance to drop tier that is upgradable with Valor... Who did raid can drop tier not upgradable right?

[warm plinth]

Correct

[normal lion]

No unfortunately not

[upper hollow]

Isn't this ridicolous?

[warm plinth]

what do you mean

[deft vessel]

well that's nice

the rest of the stuff is like, okay, shield but eh

[upper hollow]

It seem not Fair for those Who actualy play in raid

[warm plinth]

If you actually raid then you're going to get higher ilevel anyway

M+ can only upgrade to a certain point

[upper hollow]

What Is the cap?

[warm plinth]

415 iirc

[fresh belfry]

i have a 321 haste/vers ring and was like pog thats good and then I realized we got hardlocked into rings once more

[vagrant birch]

Which one do i take? The same ilvl upgrade but I get 2p from chest.

[warm plinth]

Chest

Not even a contest

[vagrant birch]

Ty Ghash

[lyric elm]

Did some pugs and well this is basically a week where DPS learns to play the game i guess

They keep dying non-stop to boss mechanics

Think I'll sit this one out

[jaunty shell]

What should i get? Shoulders would give me 2p

[deft vessel]

now to decide what enchant to use....between sophic devotion and glacial fury

[lyric elm]

Tier set

[deft vessel]

shoulders

what weapon enchants do the lot of you use, the icy veins guide doesn't even mention sophic devotion, while the wowhead guide refers to them as "general use" and "aoe", but I understand the frozen devotion one is also quite substantial in single target, no?

[jaunty shell]

Cheers, Thanks 🙂

[zenith sky]

does anybody know if the buffed version of the jewelcrafting trinkets is already in the sims?

[deft vessel]

ignore me, I'm blind

[craggy pilot]

i have a Shockwave Question 🤔 probably more relevant for Fort...
Is there a play in running Rumbling Earth over Thunderous Words for more Shockwave Frontal stops in something like Nokhud & Temple? And if running it for stops and using Shockwave like normal, would it be more dps to take Sonic Boom over Thunderous Roar since not having Thunderous Words 🤔
or would Shockwave+Rumbling+Roar still be bigger dps than Sonic Boom

[edgy grail]

You have WAAAAY more chances to get tier from raid than m+

[jagged pier]

u dont take rumbling

u will DR mobs

its pointless to take

[craggy pilot]

even if you are pugging and basically the only one stunning?

[jagged pier]

pugs are even worse

[craggy pilot]

im guessing the frontals are "my responsibility since im tank" in pugs

[jagged pier]

they send stuns on CD

so even more pointless

[craggy pilot]

yea just wondering if Rumbling Earth would help at all with stuff like Dark Claws, and frontals, seems theres a lot of them in Temple + Nokhud

[jagged pier]

well u can move out of the frontals

and dark claws is spell blockable

[craggy pilot]

true but that rotates the pack, and then the next frontal is on a DPS and they get mad for having to move

people have pea brain in pugs

they dont move for frontals

[jagged pier]

they have to learn

🤷

[uncut notch]

Shield looks like a butthole

[limpid anchor]

What’s the cd on dr?

[craggy pilot]

also how do i know if a frontal is possible to move out of, or if a frontal will snap onto me? 🤔

[cyan oriole]

btw are raidbots assuming we can proc Seal of Diurna's Chosen? It sims relly high for some reason

[limpid anchor]

You try to move and look if it follows

[sweet surge]

you watch for it next time and test

[edgy grail]

By moving and watching it

[uncut notch]

afaik we cant proc it at all

[craggy pilot]

fucking gotta use my eyes when i play this game smh

[brisk gust]

We can with the waistand fire dmg trinkets?

[sweet surge]

For example, the undead wind birds in Nokhud, they snap on you, but you can move out. Boss in Azure Vaults frontal, you can't move (it follows) etc

[craggy pilot]

how would you move out of it then? just walk backwards and outrange it if it follows side movement?

[sweet surge]

another example is the Arcane Bash from the armored Arcane Elementals in AVaults, they snap a frontal on you, but you can move out. Same for the Piercing Shards from the rock guys there

[quartz ridge]

Is that world boss trink any good

[sweet surge]

The birds? you sidestep so as to move the pack as little as possible

you need to constantly do that, try to limit it to a small arc, though, so your DPS remain safe. So go back and forth (left -> right; right -> left) etc

Anyway, does a guide or sim exist for Embellishments guys? Can't find one. Wondering about the Armor Spikes embellishment for M+

[deft vessel]

[cyan oriole]

the question is if items/trinkets proc it

[brisk gust]

People chargeing 50k for 100% guarantee on 405 on lariat seems expensive no?

[sweet surge]

about right, got it for 40k @brisk gust

[brisk gust]

Just crafted it, i will try it out https://gyazo.com/241bdec622b5f7efe3f899b61c161ced

[cyan oriole]

on my server its 80k

[cyan oriole]

nice lmk

[craggy pilot]

ah wait, thought you were talking about frontals that snap when you sidestep, like the frontal of last boss Academy 🤔

[uncut notch]

Tell me I’m wrong, I dare you to lie to my face

[deft vessel]

I can sort of see it, but I think it's a bit of a stretch still 🤔

[sweet surge]

Frontals that follow you when moving around = your job is to face it away from the DPS in the opener, from then on it's on the DPS to not mess up

[uncut notch]

Stretch like a butthole

[brisk gust]

So 30k for guarantee 405 lariat is good?

[edgy grail]

No

[humble ferry]

Do i take 415 wep from vault or should you get a crafted wep?

[edgy grail]

My server its free

[sweet surge]

lowest i've heard of, but these prices are going to drop daily

(i am on a large server)

[edgy grail]

Tich has free necks

[brisk gust]

Same, i've heard people say its free but i only see 30-50k price takers

[sweet surge]

🤷‍♂️ aint free on my EU realm

dafaQ

[humble ferry]

halp

[brisk gust]

Ravencrest here

[edgy grail]

Moozeey-Tichondrius

Is da man

[sweet surge]

@humble ferry what else ya got

[deft vessel]

it's pretty expensive on Azure Dawn as well (EU, large server)

[brisk gust]

Take the 415 weap obv if u dont have good set drops in vault

[humble ferry]

Boots :/

[edgy grail]

Then yes

[sweet surge]

that all? then wep obv

[edgy grail]

Weapon