protection

[warm plinth]

Yeah Mwahi takes it because he almost exclusively pugs so the second off interrupt is useful to him

You certainly don't have to take it though

[jagged pier]

its really not

its 15 to 14 seconds

like its not worth it at all

[warm plinth]

I know. I'm just saying what his reason is

Besides everyone knows the real play is to give up Sidearm for Bounding Stride

😏

[austere wind]

yeah and you get almost no value from the shield charge portion of it now that i think about it

[pulsar marsh]

quick question for M+ : is there a reason to ever not be in def-stance? 10% more dmg would be nice but I believe giving the healer the opportunity to deal dmg is also nice

[snow robin]

Bro don't start a fire in here

[limpid anchor]

Rather look for a reason to be in def stance

[pulsar marsh]

uhm???

[warm plinth]

It's 14% more damage, on average. And you shouldn't take enough damage in battle stance that it has any effect on your healer's damage output.

[echo bramble]

Healers will be busy healing the rest of the team anyway

[warm plinth]

Tanks are already the least of the healer's concern this expansion

[pulsar marsh]

yesterday tanking first Boss in RLP on +17 was an exp

she just oneshots me in 400 ilvl

[echo bramble]

Sounds like a good time to be in defensive stance

[pulsar marsh]

okay but I get it guys: be in battle stance 99% of the time

and only switch for hard-htting bosses?

[warm plinth]

Yeah basically just use it like you would a defensive

Like oh this is gonna hurt, let me go def stance

[echo bramble]

I've just been doing defensive stance on all the hard hitting keys at +11 and above. Stance switching would probably be better, but we already have so many cd's to press in each pull

[warm plinth]

tbf that first boss is just bullshit in general

[echo bramble]

"only" ilvl 385 though

[warm plinth]

So much group-wide damage

[limpid anchor]

It’s better to learn how to play in lower keys then adjust your playstyle later on

[uncut notch]

unlearning habits is hard

do this

[wary heath]

100 pulls on heroic dathea, and I won the tier token. i can finally sleep

what an end to week 1

[limpid anchor]

100 pulls? Did you pug

[wary heath]

in a pug yeah

we cycled through probably 300 DPS

[warm plinth]

wow

[wary heath]

haha

[warm plinth]

that sounds awful

[wary heath]

it would have been awful if I didn't win the token

now it was worth it

[warm plinth]

well I'm glad you got the tier token

[onyx matrix]

How have your gear progress been doing guys? 😄

[toxic geyser]

what embellishment are people running after lariat? I've seen a primal longsword with the phys dam proc. Any talk of Bronze wrappings? Or are people gunning for belt/helm

[uncut notch]

really good - 389 atm 🙂

[uncut notch]

phys dam proc is dogshit, 0.5-1% of overall

I have it on my 405 hammer and its gash

[toxic geyser]

mm okay, I remember trell mentioning the Bronze one for tanks on one of the podcasts recently, but ive not heard it mentioned as being noteworthy anywhere else

[tacit vortex]

I'm having trouble figuring out the phial I'm supposed to be using in raid? Every source I read has conflicting information

• Icy veins says "Phial of Glacial Fury" but... It's an AOE phial? And it's just giving me damage? How does that make sense?

• Wowhead says "Phial of Static Empowerment" when I can afford not moving (and yeah that would make sense for some fights) and "Phial of Elemental Chaos" otherwise

• Bloodmallet sims the "Phial of Charged Isolation" sooooooooooooo high and I see nobody talking about it?

[jagged pier]

glacial fury isnt aoe

static empowerment is trash u never stand still long enough to stack it

[sharp night]

you will never be alone

for charged isolation

[jagged pier]

and your never isolated in raid for the other 1

[sharp night]

so you get 0 value

[tacit vortex]

Yeah I figured as much, but I'm even more confused then

Why are those guides saying sht like this then? And wtf am I supposed to be using? D:

[uncut notch]

I’ve been using the eye of the storm one

[jagged pier]

in raid?

[uncut notch]

It seemed pretty obvious to me that was the tank one

[jagged pier]

thats use less

[uncut notch]

Oh no, m+

[wary heath]

I use glacial fury

[uncut notch]

Sorry wasn’t reading

[limpid anchor]

That’s the str stack when you get hit right?

If yes, then ye it seems the best

[tacit vortex]

Yeah but that doesn't stack on times you get it, it stacks on number of enemies you're tanking 😕

Pretty useless in patchwerk mode

[pliant sail]

Hey guys. I’m pretty new to warrior I used my level 60 boost on one and just ranked my first dungeon with a buddy. I main sub rogue but this is looking like it could be a super fun alt to play. I saw there were recent nerfs is that anything to really worry about?

[toxic geyser]

No, it's fine

It's still the tankiest tank by a fair margin

[jagged pier]

no

survivbility is actually very equal

[pliant sail]

Just read the pins lmao. My bad

It’s literally the first one

[inner coyote]

Had no idea BrV is bugged, explains a lot. Wtb fix

[toxic geyser]

Been bugged since like the start of beta too lol

[limpid anchor]

Soon the next nerf tho

[pliant sail]

brv?

[inner coyote]

Brutal Vitality

[limpid anchor]

Brutal vitality

[inner coyote]

15% of your damage adds to active IP

[limpid anchor]

Also called BV

[pliant sail]

Oh. What’s bugged about it?

Oh

[toxic geyser]

no BV is booming voice

[inner coyote]

Stops adding to it once you're capped

[pliant sail]

Rage capped I assume?

[toxic geyser]

No capping the absorb

[inner coyote]

Nah, when your IP reaches its cap, BrV stops adding to it

[limpid anchor]

Boovo should be booming voice :<

[pliant sail]

Oh. I guess I need to pay attention to my talents. I just went with a guide and skimmed them and ran a dungeon. Lol

[inner coyote]

That's pretty much all you need ^^

[pliant sail]

Is prot really as easy to learn as it seems on the surface? I just charge cast avatar, stomp, and use rage defensively or offensively depending on what I need.

Ravager seems very strong too

[limpid anchor]

All classes are easy to learn

So yes

[inner coyote]

The min maxing comes later when you are trying to survive bigger, nastier pulls

[pliant sail]

I really enjoy tanking but I always get discouraged because I’ve never been able to push keys very well. Maybe because I have to pug, or maybe because I am just not good lol. But would like to get back into it. Tanked on a bear before

[limpid anchor]

Tanking is difficult and the role that gets the most insults

Especially if you play mainly with pugs

Im not sure if I would play tank if I didn’t have guilds to play with

[inner coyote]

Because everyone's an MDI player and "My main is a tank"

[pliant sail]

I know dungeon knowledge is king for tanks. And I do try to learn and have tools to use for it. But yea brendynn is right I see that a lot

[terse swan]

Just starting my Prot Warrior and I was wondering if the IV or WH guide is more closely followed for M+?

[paper fjord]

This heavy nerf to all m+ dungeons is like a buff to us right?👀

[sweet summit]

uhh

sure

[uncut notch]

idk, so far i havent really been the problem

Its every other fucker thats dead

Only thing that has really ever clapped me was the last pack in TJS

the rest of it seems to be dead dps and healers and then eventually i go too

[amber siren]

tree boss in academy is pretty rough for a non-tyr week

[hazy sluice]

Do adds on bosses count like trash and scale with fortified ? Lol i thought tyrannical that boss would be worse

[last crest]

hey guys, may i ask how to improve my Raza logs so they are at least 80% ?

is there some reflect lifehack or something ?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2DXrj1aQKYqkPW8N#fight=8&type=damage-done&source=26

[karmic plinth]

spell reflect wont show on logs

[mortal brook]

Top several guys hit shield slam 15cpm to your 11. prob start there instead

[edgy spear]

Almost seems like a low TC cpm

[karmic plinth]

looks like youre holding ravager too much too

[edgy spear]

And not using ravager/shield charge as much as you could. Hurts dmg and rage gen. Running battering ram instead of BSV is also a thing that'd help

Battering ram grants 20% auto attack speed for 20 sec = More shield slam resets

[unreal lily]

Hey what's the strategy for bursting? Are we supposed to pull smaller packs to get less stacks?

[warm plinth]

Not really. It's more of a DPS affix than a tank affix

[mortal brook]

Kill things together or let stacks drop. Dont chain ticks so much that it murders you

But no dont limit your pulls over whatifs

[unreal lily]

Alright cool thank you!

[limpid anchor]

That sounds like a healers problem

[solar blade]

not if your dps are using their cds for smallies, also drop puddles that spawn the adds like you dodged the icy comets on necrotic wake last boss > drop void, step, drop void, step and so on

[amber siren]

Im not saying there aren't good strategies for it, but it's pretty punishing for a non-tyr week and obviously by the nerf of 40% health I wasn't the only one who felt that way

[solar blade]

true, there are some heavy bosses on nontyr, all im saying is people also make it difficult

never had problems with premades even if we had a random dps with us that wouldnt get when to use cds but even in 15 this was fine

[digital frigate]

Hello

I have +16 jade

what tips for comp?

and for talents?

[warm plinth]

prevoker :kekw

[zealous willow]

is puzzle box trash for us ?

[warm plinth]

No, but it's nothing to write home about either

[graceful sundial]

hello! did a +13 TJS and trash before last boss (and boss too) was a nightmare. Sadly I didn't log the dungeon, will try next time. Is it too overtuned or are we missing something?

[limpid anchor]

Lust

Burst

Then kite

[median tulip]

There is a fairly common issue where some boss mechanics scale with Fortified instead of Tyrannical, because a lot of boss mechanics are actually bunnies. Read this: https://kotaku.com/the-invisible-bunnies-that-power-world-of-warcraft-1791576630/amp

It's not just adds either. For at least 2 season the golden swirlies on the 3rd boss of Sanguine Depths scaled with Fort not Tyr

[heavy yew]

i did a 12 TJS and that last pack fukken deleted me

[lyric elm]

Welcome to the club

[heavy yew]

dark claw hit really hard also it seemed like spell reflect reflected which is actually not what i wanted

[solid granite]

CCing the fear sha & 1 aoe sha helped me a lot in my 15 TJS

[lyric elm]

You can't tank them

Just run

[heavy yew]

yeah 2 was ok before raging but it was 3x dark claw for 150k spell damage each

[lyric elm]

On 15 it's about 300k each

[heavy yew]

lol

[lyric elm]

Fortified ofc

Will be much easier next w

[solid granite]

forti & 3% increase of dmg/hp compared to SL per key level above +10

[warm plinth]

why would you not want that 🤔

[heavy yew]

well the buff & 20% magic dr goes away, not that it's much

[floral river]

not anymore

[heavy yew]

what really?

[warm plinth]

You do not lose the 20% Magic DR if you reflect. That was changed quite a while back.

[solid granite]

well, quite a while is an exaggeration

[heavy yew]

ok, i take it back. is that why i see two spell reflection spellids in logs

[warm plinth]

believe it was changed in the pre-patch at some point

Probably

[floral river]

probably uses an aura to count reflect and another for dr

[solid granite]

btw, anyone found a good alternative to the turtle trinket?

[floral river]

raid trinkets all seem good

[solid granite]

currently i use turtle absorb trinket & cobalt absorb trinket

[median tulip]

I use the one from Academy for the DPS

[solid granite]

dunno, raid trinkets underperform in my opinion

[floral river]

you think grief torch and storm-eater underperform?

[jagged pier]

yes the strongest trinkets by far are under performing

[median tulip]

Can you block while the grief torch channels?

[jagged pier]

🤔

yes

[solid granite]

i mean defensive wise

[floral river]

just yell at your healer and force your DPS to kick

[jagged pier]

what who the fuck cares about defensive trinkets we dont need them

[solid granite]

i do, high keys slap me hard

[jagged pier]

so do I

seem fine to me

🤷

[floral river]

I stopped using them too

[median tulip]

I rarely bother with defensive trinkets unless the defensive component is automatic and/or connected to an offensive

[floral river]

what's killing you is avoidable if your dps know what can kill them too

[solid granite]

aka turtle trinket

[jagged pier]

the turtle trinket is 1 ppm

and is literally the same value as an IP

[median tulip]

I prefer fire for the turtle

[solid granite]

its 100k absorb

dunno

[jagged pier]

how the fuck is that any value

thats literally 1 IP

once a min

[floral river]

is rumbling ruby any good?

[warm plinth]

yeah it's pretty good

[balmy gate]

what are the best trinkets if you want to use 2 passive ones?

[jagged pier]

u dont want that tho

grief torch and boon are insane value

[sick sentinel]

my guess is ruby and all totem,.. but

[jagged pier]

all totem is passive tho and the strongest tank trinket in the game

[floral river]

How big is the hit?

[jagged pier]

all totem doesnt work like that

[mortal brook]

Good thing the tool tip in game clears up what it works like right

[jagged pier]

Fire: Counter attack hits for about 10k and puts a dot on the enemies that does an additional 10k over 6 seconds.
Ice: Counter attack hits for about 10k and gives you a buff that heals you for 13k each second for 6 seconds.
Wind: Counter attack hits for about 15k and gives you a buff that increases your haste rating by 1900 for 6 seconds.
Earth: Counter attack hits for about 7k and gives you a buff that increases armor by 3659 for 8 seconds.

[warm plinth]

The joy and adventure of the game is to do annoying testing to find out how the game works even though the items have tooltips that are supposed to tell you how the game works.

[sick sentinel]

just need heart to summon captain planet dragon

[balmy gate]

hmm are you guys planning on running boon in m+?

[jagged pier]

if i ever get one yes

[warm plinth]

reeeeee

[balmy gate]

lol didnt they raise the cap recently

[warm plinth]

yeah

[sick sentinel]

lwt go of those quests in stv man

dude ai t gwtting his book any time soon

[warm plinth]

First of all, how dare you leave Hemet waiting

Second of all, they're ZM quests, not STV

[molten holly]

Whose ready for their vault

[floral river]

not me rushing a 16 AA before reset

[floral river]

you just can't move right; Can you still block during boon?

[jagged pier]

u can block

as far as i know

[tough ocean]

which gems do y'all prefer?

Pure haste or haste + smth

[shell trail]

pure haste has less stats then haste + smth. More stats = better stats

[jagged pier]

haste crit

[mortal brook]

Mainstat haste

[toxic pewter]

with the new raid looting system... do you guys basically roll need if you need the item? Am I supposed to be like looking at the dps warr that hasn't gotten loot and passing the item to him and shit? I guess each guild is different with how they handle loot?

[tough ocean]

whatever the raid leader says, goes

[toxic pewter]

Sort of already causing some drama for me

[tough ocean]

but yeah depends on the guild

[brittle owl]

crazy how people forgot how master loot works

[mortal brook]

Need has priority to loot spec anyways

[toxic pewter]

I know how it works

[mortal brook]

Which is new but they've gone over

[toxic pewter]

Just trying to get a feel for the vibes of how it works I guess

Like for gray area slots like trinkets and stuff

Like should I roll need on just tank trinkets or are str dps trinkets fair game

[sonic wadi]

when we gonna replace cobalt ring? cus it seems like 3k hps on boss fights which is hard to quantify into secondary stats

[mortal brook]

If youre in prot loot spec and hes in fury and the fury item not on prot table drops and you both need you literally can't win it

[toxic pewter]

right but even str dps trinkets drop for prot spec

[mortal brook]

The moment you die to 2K overkill

[regal star]

Hey does anyone have a stance macro?

[mortal brook]

Fair game then

Macro in pins

[regal star]

I looked before didn't scroll down far enough tho thanks 🙂

[mortal brook]

The fury is ready to snipe a sick shield transmog, give him no courtesy

[toxic pewter]

Lol, true

Just feels awkward because of course I got the immedaite whisper when i won..

Just feel some guilt because to add ontop of it all hes using a tank trinket... for some reason..

🤷

[wide charm]

when do we play bolster + ItF and when do we play heavy repercussions ?

[mortal brook]

If it's decoration of flame it's because it sims real good

[wide charm]

in m+

[toxic pewter]

nah its the nokhud trinket from dragon

[mortal brook]

Then hes a silly goose

[toxic pewter]

Yeah I have no clue why or what thats about

[mortal brook]

Putting on what drops early season be like

[toxic pewter]

Yeah hes been really unlucky with drops apparently

[toxic pewter]

based on what I've seen its almost split.. I guess if you want to have bigger gaps in your shield block uptime or not.. I asked the same thing yesterday and Nomer mentioned he prefers HR and I do too as I go higher I just like feeling more tanky personally

I guess bolster can still have similar uptime on shield block but it feels more clunky to me

[autumn creek]

im starting playing as prot warrior. there is any "guide" for opening rotations or a guide to what addons/WA could help me to play it better?

i experience a lot of aggro loss, mainly when playing with fury warriors or some bust damages

[limpid anchor]

How do@you start your pull

But if people just insta burst you might have an issue if they outgear you

[fluid shard]

The first few abilities you use define how the aggro situation will go. Sometimes you’ll charge in, hit TC and a mob back there won’t get hit. Then if someone else gets on them, you’re playing catch up.

[autumn creek]

generally i do charge > shield block > avatar > thunderclap >

and the damage that i do, is tooo lower than the others warriors i see

[fluid shard]

Yeah damage builds aggro

So make sure stuff is rounded up before using aoe

[edgy spear]

If you have ravager up you can do charge -> TC -> Ravager (while using avatar and shield block as they are off gcd)

[fluid shard]

You “should” have shield charge up for every pull too, once everyone is close, do that for sure

[autumn creek]

ohhh

[formal grail]

Tanking keys as a 340 warr is rough but I am having so much fun! I do think I’m bad at using SB consistently 😅

[autumn creek]

all right. what about when i dont have ravager up? I mean, it has 1.5 min cd

[sand drum]

@jagged pier how does this work with 4p? since it does same thing as BrV ? 🤔

[toxic pewter]

pretty sure it stacks

[edgy spear]

Should have avatar on most/all pulls, so charge -> TC -> Revenge/SS -> TC is a good start. Depends on comp tho. I'll try and frontload more dmg if theres a fury warrior while I can play different if i have a hunter/rogue with md/tricks.

casting demo shout in the first few globals can fuck you if theres no tricks/md and you have bursty dpsers.

[autumn creek]

gotcha

[sand drum]

but BrV still not working outside of dummies ? im too 🐒 to test

[toxic pewter]

as far as I know it works unless you cap out with IP

and wont work again until IP 'drops off'

[edgy spear]

It semi-works. It only stops working when the IP caps and starts working when the IP falls off, which it often will in any situation where you take a lot of dmg

[sand drum]

ok, thx Apb

[toxic pewter]

I think I and most still prefer it over fbv even with the bug

[vivid lantern]

Are there any pins on how Spell Block works? Is it just based off my Melee block? So about 40% less magic dmg taken over 20 seconds?

[median tulip]

340 is a little low; as well as doing keys try to kill Rares for drops and get your Renown up for the 376 pieces from the renown vendors.

[rugged mural]

I got just absolutely destroyed by Dark Claw towards the end of TotJS. It's stunnable but looks to cast fairly often. Doesn't look like a frontal. What am I missing?

It is spell reflect/deflect-able, but it happens more often that I have that up

[formal grail]

oh yeah i know, i am spamming rares as much as i can, doing daily rotation, queueing for stuff

[median tulip]

Have your DPS focus it down, pile Rage into your defence, and/or kite; it's Melee range

[floral river]

Reflect also works

[mortal brook]

Sometimes stuff is scary and needs kiting

[floral river]

when in doubt, leap away

[median tulip]

At least it's not SL season 1 kite meta

[median tulip]

Cool, you'll be fine. At your ilvl you might find it hard to get group invites, even as a tank, unless you run your own keys

[last crest]

how "big" is frozen devotion ?

for m+ that is

lowkey wanna get it, but 26k for t1 seems a lot

[edgy spear]

Gearing through renown is super slow compared to just slamming m0s and then going low keys/rares after

[blissful pebble]

Grinding a full set of bloody coin or primal storms gear is pretty quick if you want a major boost.

[median tulip]

Not everyone does keys and rushes gear at top speed; plus people have alts

My Hunter used more Renown gear than my main because of the Renown catch-up mechanic

[floral river]

go sophic devotion imo

[sweet summit]

this is my rank 2

yeah sophic great

[minor helm]

Ur great

[lunar widget]

Hey, do you use Intimidating shout in M+ ? I never binded it, and never felt I had to do it.

[ionic fern]

Yes,

As a interrupt.

[lunar widget]

And you break the fear directly after ?

[rugged mural]

Yes. AoE interrupt (for non-interruptible casts too)

[ionic fern]

It breaks off passive damage.

[rugged mural]

It'll just break

[floral river]

yeah it's pretty good for pugging, since people don't bind their cc abilities apparently

[rugged mural]

Different DR than stuns which is nice too

[lunar widget]

Ok, great for your responses guys, I appreciate a lot. Will check how I will bind that to my keyboard

[reef haven]

Any specific talents to help smooth out Azure Vaults?

[ionic fern]

What's hurting?

[reef haven]

I have a +17 and my ass is pre puckering

[fresh merlin]

What ilvl should I be to do a 15 I feel like I did 12s fine at like 382

[ionic fern]

There is no set ilvl.

[neon elk]

It heavily depend on dungeon and group

[lunar widget]

Its more a question on how do you play the abilities of the mobs in M+

[median tulip]

It's about the whole party, not just you

[fresh merlin]

Yea I felt like I could have done a lot better with better dps

[median tulip]

There are an amazing number of tanking problems that can be solved by having an unga bunga AoE DPS pressing all their cooldowns

[sick sentinel]

Does anyone remember what the WA from SL that automarks each pack you pull?

[fresh merlin]

I big problem I’m having in pugs is monkey dps that don’t wait for me to have aggro when I pull multi packs

[reef haven]

the packs on the platforms before 2nd boss

[ionic fern]

Only the frontals hurt there iirc.

Just stun em.

[median tulip]

The eternal tanking struggle

[sick sentinel]

Dont do multipacks without comanding shot or shockwave?

[long stone]

14-15 Hours Till the First question“which Item should i take from the vault?“ 😄

[reef haven]

gotta use challenging shout for those big packs

[fresh merlin]

No I’m saying I’m running to the other pack and they just keep attacking it instead of running with me

Even when I say big pull

[reef haven]

people still don't know how to sim their vault?

[median tulip]

Avatar > Shield Charge > TClap > Revenj > TClap usually gets everything pretty well stuck to me

[long stone]

We will See !

[fresh merlin]

So do that before leaping to the next pack?

[reef haven]

I don't do it like that

gotta shield charge all those mobs

for big dmg

[vocal nimbus]

i charge 1st pack, TC+rev, charge 2nd pack

obviously using shield block and whatever

can open with shield wall to stabilise

[lyric geode]

I could sustain myself in 12 HoV run... Lol. The healer dced and I could just survive without healer ffs.

[rugged mural]

Ravager > Charge + Ravager > Tclap > Revenge > Tclap (save shield charge for utility)

[reef haven]

what packs are you dragging to other packs anyway

[lyric geode]

Please nerf tanks as a whole. Thank you.

[ionic fern]

12 is a joke.

Don't nerf tanks on irrelevant content

wtf

[lyric geode]

I know, but still. With 380 ilvl gear? Imagine with 420 ilvl. 20s would be a joke for tanks as well.

[ionic fern]

You ok?

That makes 0 sense

[floral river]

I think tanks need more buttons to be able to play the game for other players

[reef haven]

he does not know about the scaling kek

[lyric geode]

Scaling of what?

[median tulip]

The Ramp above 15 is intense

[lyric geode]

How much ramp we are talking about?

[median tulip]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/impact-of-new-mythic-scaling-in-dragonflight-10-scaling-starting-at-keystone-11-329269#:~:text=Last week%2C Blizzard announced that,the impact of the changes.&text=First%2C starting with Keystone level,from 8%25 to 10%25.

[jagged ferry]

Hello fellow prot warriors, could anyone help me with my logs? Trying to figure out what I can do better, feel like im too focused on spening my rage on IP. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/barthilas/skankie#boss=2607

[echo bramble]

420 ilvl is still gonna be a minority of players, even at season end. Can't balance the game by the top percentages.

[floral river]

You can actually die

[lyric geode]

Wow..

[floral river]

go do a 15 and not a 12 and tell me we're op

[lyric geode]

15 172% 198%

SL vs DF

[limpid anchor]

You should base your opinion on +12 keys

It’s relevant content

[lyric geode]

Well, quite neglible. But omfg

after 20s. Real nightmare

[floral river]

you're an idiot look at the number from 12 to 15

[reef haven]

do anything above 15 then come give opinion again

[floral river]

what % gain is that in DF

[reef haven]

please go and try do a temple above 15 this week

and report back

[median tulip]

I can tell you from experience that a 17 is fucking brutal

[balmy gate]

do we know exactly how tier sets from m+ vault is gonna work?

[floral river]

You can catalyst it no?

[ionic fern]

'

[jagged ferry]

Hello fellow prot warriors, could anyone help me with my logs? Trying to figure out what I can do better, feel like im too focused on spening my rage on IP. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/barthilas/skankie#boss=2607

[lyric geode]

You can craft tier set?

[floral river]

AA is so good

[balmy gate]

thats not until late january i thought

[floral river]

then get owned

[median tulip]

Oh yeah, the easiest key

[round hound]

???

[ionic fern]

Literally depends on your ST dops.

[reef haven]

cheese the first boss with the potions

[ionic fern]

Yes, yesr, everyone knows about the potions ages ago.

[balmy gate]

ill probably get hc tier but i dont want to raid mythic

[reef haven]

also boomie insane for first boss

[lyric geode]

Me too.

[ionic fern]

I would 100% take ST DPS'ers for that boss.

[floral river]

just get tier from raid and get some high m+ pieces to catalyst later

[jagged pier]

bro u have HR and ED and u blocked 40% of your hits

👀

[balmy gate]

yea I guess thats the play

[median tulip]

Who are you talking to?

[lyric geode]

!

[floral river]

which of you gamers has ED?

[jagged pier]

they guy that asked to look at his log

[lyric geode]

40 % with tank swap?

[limpid anchor]

Why even use block

[jagged ferry]

Could you explain this coment?

[jagged pier]

u arent pressing shield block

[plush tendon]

^

[lyric geode]

!!!!

[jagged pier]

u pressed it 5 times in 11:30 mins

[lyric geode]

7.48% uptime

[jagged pier]

its your strongest mitigation

[lyric geode]

Kewk

[dawn canyon]

Prot log in #449510248579858432 already on it i see

[jagged pier]

your also in dungeon talents for some reason

[lyric geode]

Another reason why nm is a joke as tank dmg

[jagged ferry]

So focus less on IP and cast more SB?

[floral river]

SB >>>>>> IP

[median tulip]

Ooof, push Shield Block and Shield Charge more

[jagged ferry]

Pardon my noobness but how do es that assist with teh parse?

[lyric geode]

He really ignored pain.

[jagged pier]

I dont understand on brood your SB usage is alot better

why did u stop using it on raz?

[jagged ferry]

I think its more so the tanking uptime on Raz

[dawn canyon]

First you wanna stop dying then you can do damage

[jagged pier]

well its cant be

because u hardly blocked anything on raz

[lyric geode]

Brain freeze and probably just stress

[jagged pier]

so you were tanking without shield block

[glacial sky]

Like… we have more than 4 SBs worth of uptime on raz lol

[median tulip]

You're a tank, ignore the parsing numbers, they are meaningless to us

[strong forum]

SB increases SS dmg by 30%
Shield slam is your single biggest source of dmg output on single target

[jagged pier]

well there that

[floral river]

If you're blocking you probo don't need to constantly apply IP, so maybe you can spend rage to do damage

[jagged pier]

but u should be focus;ing on correct defesnive play

[jagged ferry]

Well theres that, thankyou for that.

[jagged pier]

before u care about damage

[strong forum]

But generally you should have SB up regardless of that

[lyric geode]

He wanted to have big HPS numbers? More shield used. more HPS? more Parse? I dont know.

[strong forum]

With Ed + hr you can have 100% uptime

[floral river]

healer parse

[strong forum]

Without even needing to think

[jagged ferry]

Sorry whats HR?

[floral river]

heavy reperc

[strong forum]

Heavy repercussions

Talent

[jagged ferry]

Copy thjat

Okay, will focus on more SB uptime.

so SB > IP?

[lyric geode]

Even with spamming IP, couldnt surpass bear. I blame bear. Bear OP.

[lyric geode]

Yep

[median tulip]

Hell yes

[jagged ferry]

Will make my WA a lot large for SB

Is capping IP better than spending rage on Revenge etc?

[plush tendon]

You hit IP to prevent overcapping on rage

since its off the GCD

[median tulip]

You give no fux about the IP cap

[lyric geode]

We are not DKs, we are not reactive tank spec, like dks. You have your HP low, you press death strike. We are proactive, we press shield block to lower our dmg taken. IP and Indominable is just a cherry of the topping.

[median tulip]

The IP cap is not a relevant piece of information to your tanking.

[jagged ferry]

Definitely missunderstood warrior tho then.

[jagged pier]

your talented into sheild charge

but u dont casts it

on ither fight

[median tulip]

How to Warrior:

1. get angry
2. more angry
3. TOO ANGRY TO DIE

[jagged pier]

and your talented into shockwave?

for raid?

[jagged ferry]

Yeah thats my bad, didnt switch to raid talents.

[lyric geode]

Okay, we should not gaslight him. Just point the wrongs and that is it.

[jagged pier]

but u press shockwave fair enough but u dont use Sheild charge?

[sturdy sable]

I describe us as the disc priests of tanks

[jagged ferry]

No its all good, I am learning haha.

I dont feel gaslighted its all gucci.

[median tulip]

We are the Kings of mitigation

[jagged ferry]

better to have feedback than none.

[jagged pier]

so that talent even tho u should have it is useless because your not using it

[lyric geode]

Quite honest and true statement.

[lyric geode]

Also, my alt is a disc priest. Just because I know when the tank is taking dmg as well.

[sturdy sable]

Yep. We are also proactive and benefit from know what does what so we can set up for it much like disc

[heavy yew]

that's not gaslighting

[limpid anchor]

Maybe you should read one of the guides tho

[lyric geode]

Well, not exactly proactive. Since we have 100% SB uptime. But theoretically we are proactive tanks.

[sturdy sable]

We got wall lol

[lyric geode]

Classic wow protection warrior, is proactive.

[heavy yew]

how to warrior: 1) always be shield slamming

[sturdy sable]

Pre df prot was proactive

Now we are really easy to play defensively

[lyric geode]

Well, it can be said for every tank spec. Every tank spec has 1 button that DR.

[plush tendon]

Honestly, just pressing every button on CD as a Warrior seems to work pretty well

[jagged ferry]

So more SB Uptime = More SS = More SW uptime?

[plush tendon]

just dont overcap

[sturdy sable]

Jesus dude we dont need to go so far into the Symantecs lol

[jagged pier]

it doesnt mean more SS's

[median tulip]

Wall, Spell Reflect, Last Stand...

[jagged pier]

it just means more mitigation

[lyric geode]

More SS= More SB uptime not More SB!=More SS.

[jagged pier]

and more SS damage

[plush tendon]

More SB Uptime means more mitigation and harder SS damage

[lyric geode]

SS increase your SB by 1 sec. I mean HR does it.

[sturdy sable]

Demo shout ignore pain

[plush tendon]

I think most people just like.... ignore that

like, I never think about the SS extend at all XD

we just pressing buttons here

[median tulip]

IP doesn't count, I use that more often than I blink

[sturdy sable]

You 100% should fill up ignore pain before a big hit

[jagged ferry]

Any chance you can link your logs so I can compare what I can do differntly?

[lyric geode]

I play m+

I hate tanking on raids.

[jagged ferry]

Copy that

[lyric geode]

I mean, it is quite boring.

[jagged ferry]

What guide could I watch to better understand?

or is it quite literally focus on SB uptime?

[lyric geode]

The only thing you have to know is positioning. Which by itself, it is boring.

[lyric geode]

Go to dummy and practice.

Have a huge WA to tell you when SB is up.

And you are good.

[jagged ferry]

Alright thanks.

And on a parsing front, I shouldnt worry about that?

[lyric geode]

I mean dmg or heal?

It comes natural

[jagged pier]

not until u have the basics of the spec down

[lyric geode]

I mean, to have your SB uptime to 100% you have to press SS.

[jagged ferry]

Yeah, its just confusing, the healers said I am easier to heal than the druid in that raid

[echo bramble]

Damage is second. Survivability first. You deal no damage when dead

[lyric geode]

By itself it is the basis of your dmg.

[jagged ferry]

but maybe thats just due to the IP uptime?

[heavy yew]

having shield block up literally makes ip better

[lyric geode]

It is because of your block. But dont be comfy. Mythic raiding hurts a lot.

For NM, you can go without SB, as proven by you.

[jagged pier]

hc hurts compared to normal

normal doesnt hurt

[jagged ferry]

Yeah I feel that.

Alright cool

[slim dove]

my hp bar didn't move in normal

[jagged ferry]

well Ill focus more on SB uptime.

[slim dove]

hc, kurog did me dirty.

[jagged ferry]

Felt liek I was doing okay hahahahaha

[lyric geode]

Depends of the difficulty, you discover the mistakes you make.

[jagged ferry]

Yeah, again im all for negative feedback

Wont learn otherwise.

Are logs in mythic + a thing?

[jagged pier]

yes

[jagged ferry]

How do I obtain them?

Same way as warcraft logs?

[jagged pier]

yes

[plush tendon]

log while doing a dungeon

[jagged ferry]

Alright

Will try log my next dungeon and seek soem feedback 🙂

Thanks so much lads, really appreciate it.

No idea how to log tho so we will see how i go haha.

I guess prot warr is in a good spot, I am able to do 13's atm

Maybe I am better with my SB uptime in dungeons tho haha.

Maybe Raz I was just bugging out

[edgy grail]

Just practice more 🙂

You’ll be at 20s before you know it

[lyric geode]

Kewk

[robust raptor]

Do you play in combat stance in high keys on switch to def?

[slim dove]

bstance until mech wants me in def stance

like kick on 3rd boss temple.

[lyric geode]

I mean you arent wrong. But it is wishful thinking.

[edgy grail]

Is it?

[floral river]

be like me and a forget to select a stance after swapping specs B^)

[jagged ferry]

I mean I have a general consensus of the game, I have been KSH the past few seaons, just new to Prot.

[lyric geode]

I hope it as well. but we shall see.

[edgy grail]

I tanked 20s my first season ever playing wow (bfa s4)

You literally just need to play enough 😂

[jagged ferry]

Pugging KSH is never fun 😦

[lyric geode]

I have been in 20s in SL as well.

It isnt fun.

[limpid anchor]

What

[edgy grail]

Then play a different game? 😂

I have tons of fun in m+ lol

[lyric geode]

I played different games. I come as tank because of my teammates. We didnt had any tanks so I rerolled from MM to Protection warrior.

[plush tendon]

The best part about M+ is Tuesday reset and the chest of goodies

got 4 16s done; we gonna get a item today bois

[edgy grail]

I just want a big weapon

[plush tendon]

I crafted a weapon

[edgy grail]

Give me a big sword

[dawn canyon]

Dungeon tanking >>>> raid tanking

[edgy grail]

I crafted shield

[plush tendon]

TRU

[edgy grail]

Raid tanking 🫠

[floral river]

inb4 I get a shield after crafting one

[edgy grail]

Shit is awful

[lyric geode]

Ah yes, the loot box that comes in hadn.

[robust raptor]

How do some prot warrior can reach 37K dps on Terros? it's out of my comprehension

[formal grail]

I wouldn’t mind raid tanking tbh

[edgy grail]

Dont open in prot spec

Open in fury

[dawn canyon]

It's just so snoozer

[edgy grail]

But then you can get 2h 😂

[floral river]

yeah

[formal grail]

Can’t wait to smash those spike standers on Terros

[edgy grail]

But you wont get shit tank trinkets at least

Or shield

[formal grail]

Ya true

[plush tendon]

tank trinkets are poop

I want Windscar

[slim dove]

lul fukken windscar

[lyric geode]

. Where is the SS icon?

[slim dove]

ran 9 courts yesterday with 2 dhs and a monk

saw 0

[jagged pier]

they press their buttons

[plush tendon]

what bout the AA ring?

I need dat to

[slim dove]

its bis

lol

saw 0 of those too

[edgy grail]

Fuck

I want it so bad

I saw a mage with one 🫠

[lyric geode]

AA ring?

[plush tendon]

auto attack ring

with crit haste

[strong forum]

press SS real hard

[lyric geode]

The CoS?

[edgy grail]

Yes

[plush tendon]

yea 😄

[lyric geode]

AH yes

I want it as well

Fortunate for me

I got the nokhud weapon

[past ginkgo]

Sorry if this has been asked but I didn't see it in the pins. Is disruptive shout not worth it in M+? It seems like every dungeon has multiple packs where it would be extremely useful.

[lyric geode]

@jagged ferry The only reason to overspend IP to reach cap on the dragon breath on HoV which hits like a trunk

[lyric geode]

If teammates press interrupt, you are good.

[plush tendon]

Its opportunity cost

[lyric geode]

If dont, you wont make a difference.

[plush tendon]

the only place I use it is on heroic dethea on add plateform

[strong forum]

you can play it in RLP, maybe azure vault and totjs and nokhud

[plush tendon]

I can hit most if not all the adds on it

Pretty siq

[edgy grail]

How do I decide between battering ram and thunderlord?

[jagged pier]

u dont

[edgy grail]

What should my thought process be? 🤔

[jagged pier]

u take battering

[plush tendon]

I take Thunderlord for dungeons and battering ram in raid

[strong forum]

idk i dont think TL wins in any scenario tbh

[floral river]

battering is better than desynced shout

[strong forum]

like battering ram gives you so much dmg

[edgy grail]

Ahhh

[strong forum]

1t 3minutes

https://i.imgur.com/mnIZZof.png

[edgy grail]

Lol

[lyric geode]

Back then when the only people that played in SL protection warrior was 5 people. Second in my realm.

[edgy grail]

Im not going to show you mine

[strong forum]

no WFT, no mystic touch

[edgy grail]

But its more

LOL

[tawny kiln]

I haven't played WoW since WOTLK so I'm still getting up to speed on stuff, I understand the weekly vault thing, am I to understand (from above) that I should open my vault in fury spec rather than prot?

[strong forum]

depends on what you want

if you need a shield, go open as prot

if you dont want shield or tank trinket, open as fury

[tawny kiln]

I do need a shield, though I was thinking of trying to get one of those crafted shields with my sparks

[edgy grail]

Should I be weaving revenge and TC? For show of force?

[strong forum]

ive paid no respect to that in sims

[lyric geode]

weaving?

[strong forum]

and the gain is very minimal

[tawny kiln]

thanks, that breaks it down simple enough though 🙂

[edgy grail]

20% thunderclap damage is minimal?

[strong forum]

yes

[edgy grail]

Hmmm

[strong forum]

because you need to alter your rotation

to get there

[lyric geode]

rend is quite good.

[glass spear]

should you update pins? the M+ build has TL and no battering ram

[still hearth]

Primal ritual shell, what stat ?

[edgy grail]

This is why I had TL 🙂

[strong forum]

its the general purpose build

[robust raptor]

what's SS? I dont play in English

[stark wren]

Shield Slam

[lyric geode]

Shield Slam.

[edgy grail]

But you just said TL is never better

So how is that general purpose lol

[plush tendon]

confused brain

[strong forum]

cuz its simpler

[strong forum]

its not a bad build

it hits all the spots it needs to hit

[lyric geode]

Can someone make it an emoji? As it should be in warrior channel?

WE see avatar. But not SS?

[wispy canopy]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lyric geode]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[edgy grail]

JFC

6% ST dps

For battering ram

[strong forum]

i put it in the bottom

of the list

[lyric geode]

My question is that. Should I press Shield Charge on Cooldown? Or press it to stun casters? I am little confused about it's dual utility.

[edgy grail]

How is it defensively? Pretty good no? Bc if devestator

[robust raptor]

Well I spam that

[plush tendon]

just slam it when you got demo and avatar buffs

[strong forum]

its better defensively cuz its also more rage gen

[torpid junco]

Is Puzzle box mastery trinket good for us?

[slim dove]

no

[strong forum]

and you wont need as much haste to "feel" fast

[median tulip]

Anything that you might want to stun is stun immune; just use it

[torpid junco]

noticed some top prot warriors running it

[plush tendon]

should line up pretty much

[torpid junco]

literally number 1 and 3 on io

[strong forum]

puzzle box is meh

[sturdy sable]

Probably the best trinket they have

[lyric geode]

Yeah, but a few mobs in AA is quite painful when the cast.

[sturdy sable]

Gotta use your critical thinking bud

[wide charm]

first boss in TJS is always bugging for me, am i doing smth wrong ?

[strong forum]

its just bugged

[median tulip]

We're in the early stages of a season; right now some people are just running with "best shit that's dropped, yo"

[floral river]

raid trinkets are just so much better than m+ trinkets

[strong forum]

will be fixed after reset

[fluid shard]

do yall raid in battle stance too? and switch for tank busters?

[stark wren]

Supposedly fixing it this reset

[lyric geode]

What it is bugged?

[stark wren]

increasing the spray visibility

[plush tendon]

I started pulling all of the trash to the right of the tree zone

[torpid junco]

I have puzzle box and 395, the vers one from vault and the soccer ball one from ruby... which should i sit? lowest ilvl? they are all close in ilvl

[plush tendon]

I feel like the arcane trash is poop

[wide charm]

his spells moves but no animation

[plush tendon]

and dragon dudes.... not as poop

[wide charm]

so you have to guess where the laser is

[strong forum]

use the vers from raid + dragon games

[edgy grail]

Dragon games is actually good dam

[torpid junco]

okay thats what im doing. my puzzle box is just highest ilvl

[strong forum]

dragon games is one of our best ST dmg trinkets

[edgy grail]

I was suprised

[stark wren]

I think for a lot of people it's also low visibility especially with the water bursts so theyre making it more clear

[sturdy sable]

Yeah but them balls are always annoying to kick

[strong forum]

like, Puzzlebox is +30% dmg for 20 seconds on a 3min CD

[lyric geode]

I feel like if you dont put the pools on the melee, first boss is an easy fight in TJS

[strong forum]

treat that as you will

[formal grail]

Dragon Games? The ball kick one?

[plush tendon]

B Stance all day everyday, unless the group is taking big damage and I cant hit boss (Dethea sucky sucky comes to mind)

[sturdy sable]

Yeah its really good damage @formal grail

Most tanks gear for damage outside of end bosses in mythic/push keys

[tawny kiln]

huh, I have that trinket but it seemed gimmicky, guess I'll need to figure it out

[sturdy sable]

And even then depending on your prog speed in raid

Youll probably out gear content before you get to it

[nimble laurel]

Is there any reason not to make a Shield Block macro that is very similar to the Ignore Pain/Shield Slam macro?

[plush tendon]

You macro those?

[floral river]

The first boss in TJS is the free-est shit in the game, all the damage is avoidable

[nimble laurel]

That's been a recurring discussion I've seen here in this discord

[strong forum]

dont recommend it

[strong forum]

further down at the bottom

[stark wren]

What would that macro be?

[oblique garnet]

Explain bug?

[sturdy sable]

People will macro ignore pain and shield slam together to maximize slams

[stark wren]

Mari stands facing a direction and doesnt spin

[sturdy sable]

When spamming IP

[stark wren]

but the spray goes in a random direction

[strong forum]

often times, not always, the animation of his beam doesnt exist or is wrongly displayed

[lyric geode]

I know, but still. I heard people are quite upset by it.

[stark wren]

so people are guessing which way to run

[oblique garnet]

never seen that one yet

[floral river]

Just stand behind Mari and wait

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/aidan-gallagher-aidan-aidansarmy-lemoncult-the-more-you-know-gif-24039600

[sturdy sable]

Ive definitely had ppl talk about the bug but never seen it myself

[slim dove]

happened in my 11 last night

3 times

[stark wren]

I can't see how that macro would be beneficial

[wide charm]

in maybe 8 runs i've had it happen 5-6 times i thik

[lyric geode]

One last question. ITF and Bolster, you can go 100% uptime? If not, is there a haste% limit that if you reach you can go?

[strong forum]

if you have like 35ish% haste unbuffed

is when ITF gets really good

[lyric geode]

Before or after ITF buff?

[wide charm]

how much raw stat is that ?

[lyric geode]

Thank you

[strong forum]

around 5k haste

[plush tendon]

is that possible this tier?

[lyric geode]

So with 11% haste, I would rather stick with HR.

[strong forum]

ye @supple tusk already has 5.5k haste the cheater

[lyric geode]

Lol.

[plush tendon]

[calm sapphire]

I just had it happen this run gone

Was super annoying

[severe hatch]

You're at risk of rage starving yourself and having empty GCDs where you can't cast revenge

[limpid anchor]

That doesn’t make sense

[nimble laurel]

I guess to clarify, I'm asking about a shield block/shield Slam macro, not a shield block/ignore pain macro

[limpid anchor]

Point is to cast ss faster if it procs during sb

[nimble laurel]

Yup

[strong forum]

i mean

i guess?

[supple tusk]

Tbf I also have basically 0 of everything else

[autumn urchin]

it still doesnt make sense to macro

[severe hatch]

Yeah, you're proposing to macro a rage spender and a rage generator together. There are situations where you want to generate but not spend rage

[nimble laurel]

Replace IP and SB abilities with those macros. SS usage stays the same.

[lyric geode]

Well, with so much critical/mastery on my stats. People thing I main arms ffs.

[strong forum]

yeah i guess its not bad

[limpid anchor]

It’s the same as the ip macro

So it does make sense

[strong forum]

[limpid anchor]

Bcs nome did it

Nome always makes sense

[severe hatch]

What macro are we talking about? I guarantee Nome is not hard macroing IP to shield slam

[balmy gate]

How good is idol of the dreamer with elemental lariat and a couple other sockets?

[limpid anchor]

Check pins

[plush tendon]

No, hes macroing SS to IP

[limpid anchor]

It even has an explanation

It’s just to get the ss proc out faster

And it would work the same on sb

[strong forum]

ima try it out

[severe hatch]

Oh okay, I was thinking the opposite where you have your shield slam cast tied to IP or SB

Err, I think you get what I'm trying to say

[strong forum]

ye

[severe hatch]

Only disadvantage I can think of would be fringe cases where you wanted to use that GCD for something other than SS, such as in an add pickup situation where you need to use TC or Revenge for snap threat

[uneven mason]

Who's looking forward to their juicy 405 items!

[plush tendon]

I got two 415 choices

[severe hatch]

Only got a 15 done, I am a failure

[plush tendon]

we getting trash lads

I can feel it

[strong forum]

im a failure

didnt get my 20 done

cuz farming 17s was the play

[uneven mason]

thats what you get slumming with Method

[strong forum]

if we had +2d the CoS18 we woulda done it

[uneven mason]

CoS has to be the most forgiving timer I've ever seen

[strong forum]

smbg is even worse

[plush tendon]

even better*

[uneven mason]

SMBG is free key

[strong forum]

smbg is legit the Junkyard

just dont die and the key is timed

[severe hatch]

This week just get your full group to swap keys at end of dungeon and fish for SMBGs

[plush tendon]

^ twas the play

and still is probably

[uneven mason]

sounds like the play

[plush tendon]

Also helps that the loot table is so smal

I know lots of people in my guild get items from there easy

[uneven mason]

Literally have seen gloves 4x from there

[worldly kiln]

i've had a lot of luck spending 3-4 hours on raszageth to get loot drops personally

[obsidian path]

Worm will be a drag in tyranical

[strong forum]

literally

[uneven mason]

first boss might be a chore on tyrannical

[floral river]

all the bosses are easy though

[edgy grail]

The dominantor packs are sooo easy

[uneven mason]

Yeah

[edgy grail]

In SMBG

You dont kick anything

And just kill

[uneven mason]

The only danger in SMBG is someone missing the bat/spider kicks

[spark cedar]

What would that macro look like 🤔, won't you waste rage/SB cd's if you press it always

[floral river]

You IP and then SS

[edgy grail]

IP then slam

Its in the pins

[floral river]

So if IP gives SS proc you insta use it

[wind quartz]

So good.

[spark cedar]

hmm fair

[uneven mason]

IP doesn't reset SS, but your autos and other things will.

[spark cedar]

yap, understood

read the pin

ty all

[floral river]

Oh I reread pin, yeah I'm fake news

[uneven mason]

considering dropping shockwave and going max damage, but I'm concerned about the # of pugs that'll die if I can't interrupt everything 4x in a row

[spark cedar]

laughed out loud on this 😄

[floral river]

if pugging always shockwave, maybe even also take fear shout

[edgy grail]

In pugs

[uneven mason]

yup

[edgy grail]

Tank damage doesn’t matter a whole lot

[floral river]

the more keys you can use to play the game for your dps the better

[edgy grail]

You want control of the mobs

[uneven mason]

also reduced CD on pummel, stormbolt and berserker rage (beccause yeah)

[uneven mason]

https://tenor.com/view/the-legend-of-korra-get-that-weak-shit-outta-here-gif-7404384

[edgy grail]

I guess what I mean is by going shockwave it’s not like you do 25% of your normal damage

Like you can still do great damage with shockwave

The control is just too good

I can drop it in my nornal comp when we play DH WW Rogue

But that’s about the only time I would

[limpid anchor]

That’s not true

[edgy grail]

I just clarified my answer

The amount of damage you gain by dropping shockwave is not worth losing the control.

[limpid anchor]

Ye

[edgy grail]

You can still do 40-50k with shockwave

[royal lance]

Whats the overall opinion on the Ruby Whelp Shell Trinket?
It doesn't seem to do a lot of dmg (1,2% overall) nor a lot of Healing (1% overall) nor a lot of stat-buff uptime (3,3%). Is it beside the base Strength really good?

[floral river]

doodoo

[humble ferry]

Hey all i need some ring advice

Which 2 are best?

[severe steeple]

i think i trolled myself by crafting molten defender, no crafter on my realm does shields

[humble ferry]

I assume the 2 with equip bonus?

[floral river]

scholar and mel but sim it

[humble ferry]

Ah im too much of a casual scrub to sim

Ill just listen to ur advice ty 😛

[floral river]

it's free though but ok

[humble ferry]

(and i want to buy the otter mount with the thunderous ring lol)

[slim dove]

398 signet

fuck u buddy

[sick sentinel]

ordered slightly faster cpu, arrived in 3 days pretty okay with that

[uneven mason]

You;'re losing a LOT of stat budget to that proc

[slim dove]

? its 400 secondary stats for a proc that does like 5% overall dam

[edgy grail]

I went from Ryzen 5 1600 to Ryzen 5 5600x this summer. 10/10 worth so smooth now

[sick sentinel]

ahh, mines only like a 10% upgrade

cuz the other cpu in other machine, does not support TPM for windows 11

[humble ferry]

I'm not planning on pushing super high keys so i can lose the versa

[slim dove]

its barely 1% vers.

[ionic roost]

worse than my 405

[uneven mason]

2600X to a 5800X3D, it hardly blinks at games (CP2077 runs the CP at 11%)

[sick sentinel]

its faster for gaming, but thats mostly what i do anyways

[humble ferry]

Im highmountain tauren for that sweet 1% versa anyways 😛

[sick sentinel]

installing cpu is a pain in the ass thats why im not doing it today though

[long stone]

2 and 3 - in this Phase ilvl over all

[slim dove]

still bitter i did 9 courts last night to either get whetstone or that ring and i got diddly dick

running with 2 DHs and a monk just slamming keys for hours

[long stone]

Still got my 12 cos maybe im Lucky today 🙂

[sick sentinel]

still 30 fps in valdrakken because draw distance go BRRR lol

• drawing everyones armor

[long stone]

Going today m+ because next week youll find no healer xD

[solar blade]

just not intimed a 17 and 16 cos..hits home

but good for my knowledge and learning

[coarse flower]

anyone know why the prot wars in the RWF is going the cheat death talent if its broken and not working?

[icy bane]

Whetstone BIS trinket for m+?

[coarse flower]

is it actually fixed now or are they just going against discord advice?

[solar blade]

i think if you are pulling big + raging it might save your ass one time

[sick sentinel]

after my algethar 9 i knew in too much of an altered state to do a 10 lol

[solar blade]

like in prenerf rlp

[vernal vale]

It's fixed and those guys are pushing content with much lower ilvl than the rest of us will be.

[sick sentinel]

• i already got a second vault reward, even if it is only 282

got 2 sparks anyways and working towards gettin dunno crafted

[solar blade]

im at 386 1500io starting the grind man

[long stone]

Got 405 and 402 and hole raid in vault … Hope the Items wont suck

[solar blade]

im hyped for my 411 vault jesus

[sick sentinel]

395 vault here lol

[icy bane]

386 1500 pretty good bro, good job

[heady nest]

415 gamer!

[slim dove]

it does the dam, def worth grabbing.

[long stone]

M+ vault could contain set items or ?

[solar blade]

i need more gearscore tho..the mobs hurt and i need wall far more often

[sick sentinel]

i think they have plans to add the change armor from season 3 sl

[long stone]

I mean they changed it in this addon

[icy bane]

Yeah been spamming COS, got my ring with socket so I’ll just have to suffer more

[heady nest]

How often do you guys sit D stance?

[sick sentinel]

not often

[icy bane]

393 ilvl mobs still hurt

[sick sentinel]

you don't need to be in defensive stance most of the time

[long stone]

Yeah but later on i think on week 6 or so

[solar blade]

ring with socket..man thats lucky! i have it but without

[hollow token]

Depends on the content

[icy bane]

I usually see how well my healer is handling first couple packs in battle stance, if he is struggling I’ll go d stance to give him some leeway

[slim dove]

temple on the last pack and when 3rd boss kicks, thats it

[heady nest]

Is there a reason NOT too? I’m doing 15s+

[slim dove]

yeah, more dam

faster key

brrrr

[icy bane]

Dropped for a prevoker who didn’t need it Pog

[solar blade]

i d stance whenever i need to or in phases where unaboidable dmg comes to help heal out like melandrus

[hollow token]

Bit misleading? Wouldn’t that depend on the content?

[slim dove]

you just simply dont need to be.

if tank dam is so high you need to sit in def stance 24/7

the parties long dead.

[sick sentinel]

its overkill is the point

you are over suriving

[solar blade]

else i stay bstance man just chad things
might change my mind at some point when higher keys roll around but now with the heavy nerfs i feel like instance bstance

[slim dove]

theres a couple mechs dotted throughout content that its worth swapping into def stance for a few seconds

even kurog HC i sat bstance outside of tankbuster

[spring coyote]

Are there any resources/writeups about the value of prot tier set and at what point ilvl/stats are more important than 2pc 4pc? Like is a 389 Tier Piece > 405 mythic if i need it for 2pc/4pc bonus?

[icy bane]

Couldn’t get HC kurog this reset, healers ain’t able to heal all the raid wide damage on my server

[sick sentinel]

i think dstance is situationalyl and rarely used

[jagged pier]

i mean catalyst will come u can make pieces into tier

its only 4% for us

[icy bane]

The times you are in d stance you probably could’ve started kiting the mobs and been fine

[jagged pier]

why kiting and not hit things tho

[icy bane]

So I don’t get one shot by dark claw

[sick sentinel]

yeah, just sit in bstance and pop defensive

power through it (not reffering to dark claw)

[icy bane]

Or w/e the ability is from the skeletons in SMB

Unless I can spell block that

[sick sentinel]

i have never once used spell block so far

[icy bane]

Spell block nice for RLP

[floral river]

You can SR the skeletons, so long as your dps is good they die before 4th cast

only real chance of dying in there, maybe the 2 elementals

[slim dove]

you can spell reflect dark claw btw

stun them so it syncs up

spell reflect all 3

[icy bane]

Oh the reflect pin says it can only be blocked

[slim dove]

[icy bane]

Oh I’ll try that next time

[slim dove]

smb skeletons are spell block only I believe

i dont recall reflecting a 500k hit on any of them

[floral river]

I hear the reflect noise when they cast, maybe it deflects

and I don't die

[slim dove]

first 15 smb i did the 4x skeleton pack got me gud

all raged same time, evoker didnt have soothe talented, got bonked.

[floral river]

yeah def d stance for that and run away

[icy bane]

Yeah think that’s the only pack that can bonk you, feels smooth sailing after that

[slim dove]

cant wait to spend 10 minutes killing worm this week

dungeon still free just even more zzzzfest

[floral river]

it'll be easy

less chance for dps to fuck up on trash

[lavish oracle]

Is there a good way to bait the puddles so melee can hit the boss or are you forced to just stop hitting it?

[slim dove]

stay close to boss.

it targets ranged iirc

[soft bridge]

Based on my experience tanking for pugs, the tempest guy in Nokhud is going to be rough this week with tyrannical