protection

[lusty grotto]

i use wrecking in RLP

[prisma crane]

yea they used to just be ignorable from the SL S4 affix, but now you gotta kill em too, it's shit

[daring current]

so for TJS, aegis and spell block

and RLP, go for anti shield taletn

kk

[dense urchin]

I know this is super basic, but does anyone know of a breakdown on how IP works? Didn't find it in resources

[prisma crane]

absorb

but

only 50% of dmg taken is absorbed

this is calculated after mitigation

[fading tide]

Is the tree boss In academy hard or am I just bad?

[prisma crane]

he's hard

need enough dps to kill the smallies

[daring current]

i should be fine using dorki's routes right?

[median tulip]

The cap on IP is based on your HP; the amount per use of IP is based on Attack Power (which means sharpening/weight stones increase it, FWIW)

[daring current]

im trying to push past 15 lol

[prisma crane]

should be yea

[daring current]

ok thanks

[prisma crane]

also because of what Zetakya said, your weapon has the largest impact on your per cast IP size

[fading tide]

As a tank is there anything special I have to do on the tree boss?

[prisma crane]

have the group stack

and make sure to stand in the green circle when the big tree add dies

and aoe your ass off

keep boss on top of the small shit

[median tulip]

He's hard. I actually DStance for his second add phase. Bitter Immunity help. Big AoE deeps helps more.

[fading tide]

You go the 10% heal or 5% haste?

[prisma crane]

you can also leap away, but it gets bad for dps then

haste for sure

vers is probably more useful than the heal too if you wanted to go more that route

its easy enough to swap around but honestly that boss is the only remotely difficult thing in that dungeon anyways

[fading tide]

Damn we wiped at 2% and group disbanded

[prisma crane]

common

[median tulip]

For the first add phase (when they stay sleeping) I move the boss into the biggest concentration of adds to help kil them. For the second adds (which immediately wake up) the whole group should be stacked on you so the adds all stack, and I go DStance, Shield Wall and Demo Shout to survive while the DPS go unga bunga on them

[fading tide]

Thanks for the advice. I’m gonna try and find another 10 academy

[median tulip]

If you can do the Tree the rest of the dungeon is a doddle.

I mean, as long as you interrupt and dodge swirlies semi-competently

[dense urchin]

So each hit is reduced by 50% until hitting using the absorb "shield" amount, which is calculated based on your AP, and the cap is based on your HP (current or max?)

[median tulip]

Max

[dense urchin]

Thanks!

[prisma crane]

current maximum, so when you cast Last Stand for example that cap goes up

[dense urchin]

nice

[median tulip]

Don't worry about the cap though; just IP whenever you need to dump rage

[prisma crane]

^

cap should never be something you're concerned with, ever

[dense urchin]

Got it. Dump rage into IP if needed, else Revenge for dps

[prisma crane]

if things are dangerous you wont hit cap, and if it's not you're spending rage on revenge anyways

[craggy pilot]

first boss Temple is a real pug killer :<

ended up being the only one alive

[prisma crane]

cuz its easy af

fail that and group is probably bad

[craggy pilot]

i love when people interrupt spells cast on me when i have SR up...

[prisma crane]

makes me so mad

[median tulip]

Yeah. The thing with IP is it's off the GCD, so you can dump to Revenj & IP faster than to revenj alone

[lusty grotto]

and also yell at them on discord

revenge*

[dense urchin]

Thanks alot. Very helpful

[craggy pilot]

i literally say "trying to reflect" and insta hunter interrupts

[prisma crane]

its ok

when you need them to interrupt they wont

[craggy pilot]

holy shit the new TSM update is bugged

wtf 🤣

[median tulip]

Also ofc Shield Block is off GCD too

[toxic geyser]

Seen a few Prots using shockwave build > roar and thunderous in higher keys
Is it not just strictly worse?

[prisma crane]

it is

feel free to scroll up about an hour ago

full discussion on it

[lusty grotto]

can we have eyir back to address this question

@gilded tendoni love you

😢

[dusk hinge]

how do I decide between HR and ITF

[edgy grail]

You pick HR

🫠

[prisma crane]

btw, for those mentioning nerftank

literally just watched him use shockwave on like 5 targets, 40 sec CD

that should answer whether or not he was actually using those talents in his runs

[median tulip]

Every mob it would be worth spending a GCD to stun is just fucking immune in DF.

[prisma crane]

yea i hate that too

[mighty egret]

shockwave should be a knockdown like Ancient aftershock

[dusk hinge]

what about barbaric training? any good ?

[pallid quiver]

Shadowmoon Burial Grounds too difficult, DPS gotta spread on all these different skeletons so fast 😦 😦 😦

what's this weird skull mark thing above this one's head i better ignore it

Average DPS player in weekend pugs

[pallid quiver]

Our rage economy is generally too low to have it be comfortable to use

It makes revenge less rage efficient for more damage per cast. If you're overflowing in rage, it's definitely worth picking up, but it's not quite worth it with our average rage gen atm

[dusk hinge]

whats a good alternative ?

[frozen lava]

oh I've had this talent by default from the guide. What are you taking in place of it?

[pallid quiver]

I'm not sure which guide you're referring to at the moment, so I can't tell you exactly

[frozen lava]

I mean in place of barbaric training. Just the one from wowhead

[mighty valley]

gotta kill the wall of skeletons all at the same time, or else they might res

[pallid quiver]

That being said, you can check the pins for the basic building blocks of the build I'm using

[median tulip]

I use BT for wandering around fucking up elite in the open world solo, and doing the elemental storm things. But there are better choices (situationally) for dungeons

[pallid quiver]

damn, can't believe our dps is smarter than me, i never thought of that smh

[pallid quiver]

There's a lot of options you can pick, since it's more a utility point. I currently use bounding stride, but you can put it into most anything like Pain and Gain or something

Titanic Throw is nice for instantly getting threat on an entire pack, as well

Intervene if you can find use for it (Halls of Valor Fenryr fixate for example)

[craggy pilot]

anyone use bigdebuffs for PvE stuff? or is it an addon i have from my PvP time 🤔

[mighty valley]

i've switched off titanic throw after one bad experience hitting an azure vaults whelp

[frozen lava]

I might be like you and get bounding stride. seems like I am so damn slow compared to everybody in dungeons

[vestal torrent]

Lmaoo I thought about this when it was suggested

[mighty valley]

i could just get good, but...

[pallid quiver]

i just want go fast

zoom zoom zug zug

guz guz

[fading tide]

Thank you to the people who gave me advice on academy b4. Was able to complete a plus 10 very smoothly

[potent sun]

How we feeling about embellishments? potion duration vs ferocity bleed vs armor spikes?

m+ only xD

[delicate kraken]

Honestly don't know if outhealing my healers is a good or bad thing

[night galleon]

are haste effect pants or thorns helm better for m+?

[chilly brook]

I can’t believe how overturned temple is compared to everything else

[potent sun]

ruby pools xD

[lusty grotto]

RLP though

[chilly brook]

RLP isn’t so bad except for the dragons

[lusty grotto]

i actually didnt have too many problems in temple

[mighty valley]

if no one's dying it's fine, healer will have to work harder in higher key levels, your healing just kinda happens

[potent sun]

i fear no man, but that thing, it scares me

[lusty grotto]

except for of course pandabitch

[chilly brook]

Idk I’ve done it as a dps and a tank

It’s just not fun

First packs just have so much stupidly high aoe damage

[delicate kraken]

Nah bro, people are taking damage so there's something to heal which just makes it a little bit more concerning.

[lusty grotto]

can stun droplets

and burst them

LoS big ele on dot cast

[chilly brook]

And then the last pack before the last boss is just fucking brutal

[lusty grotto]

its manageable

yeah that pack is

pretty brutal

[chilly brook]

I doubt that’s the intended strat tbh

[lusty grotto]

that one i can agree with

nah it should be, its not hard to LoS

similar to enforcer aoe

[delicate kraken]

Manageable

[lusty grotto]

well it is

now that last pack though

[delicate kraken]

Better hope you get a nice spell reflect off

[lusty grotto]

"manageable"

[chilly brook]

Idk man

[lusty grotto]

and quotation marks are just big there lmao

[toxic geyser]

Would instigate and blood frenzy together be overkill in M+?

[chilly brook]

Last pack is “aight I did a keg smash or two now lemme just roll on out”

[lusty grotto]

you basically need 1 person permanently on fearing sha

while you cycle CDs for the rest lmao

people need to stop dps on summoned little guys too

its a bit insane

[chilly brook]

Doing that stupid key on an 11 felt like a fucking 20

[delicate kraken]

Really it's just the last portion of the dungeon that's annoying

[chilly brook]

Like imo it’s not even close to RLP

[delicate kraken]

The only thing bad with rlp are the dragons

Everything else is kinda eh

Maybe the thunderlords

[limber galleon]

Triple caster pull with inferno is hard

[delicate kraken]

Certain dungeons you need at least 2 short kicks minimum

Cause idk man

[chilly brook]

Didn’t find those to be that bad

Especially compared to the dragons

[chilly brook]

That’s been true since like BFA

[delicate kraken]

Shrine

[lusty grotto]

my thought from all the way back in legion still remains: quaking shouldnt fucking happen in bosses

[chilly brook]

Quaking is so troll this week

[lusty grotto]

thank god they got rid of the dumb tornadoes

[chilly brook]

Really it’s troll this whole season

[delicate kraken]

I've been run over more with quaking than the actual thundering affix

[chilly brook]

With the seasonal affix

[lusty grotto]

we're getting used to it

but i def agree its not the best s1 affix

its still better than ghunnies though

🙂

[chilly brook]

Oh absolutely

I don’t think anything has come close to that

[lusty grotto]

FUCK GHUNNIES

with fire

and nukes

[craggy pilot]

wow 3rd key in a row where people fuck up, get mad, and leave the key 🤣

fucking love doing 14s :<

i just wanna replace my Halls key

[chilly brook]

Had our DH tank leave right before last boss in my 11 temple

[toxic pewter]

ya lots of leavers

[craggy pilot]

5 days of 0 leaver

today i had 4 dungeons people left in

like wtf

[toxic pewter]

sounds about right

[chilly brook]

All I’m saying is

[craggy pilot]

people are so elitist all of a sudden

[chilly brook]

I’ve 2 chested every key I’ve tanked except for that damn temple

[frozen lava]

Yesterday doing +11 Jade, wipe at 2% left on 1st boss, healer says GL and leaves

[chilly brook]

Coincidence? I think not

[chilly brook]

That boss is brutal to heal it seems

[mighty valley]

quaking week 1 is just cruel

[craggy pilot]

quaking doesnt go well with Thundering

pugs dont know what to do

[mighty valley]

especially with a brand new seasonal affix based around ground circles

yeah

after a couple of keys with thundering with my actual team i like it fine, wish it was a little more visually clear but otherwise ok

[ivory cairn]

yay or nay?

about 3.7% of the dmg hmm

[winged cobalt]

do we have stats DR in dragonflight? sitting on 4k haste and not sure if i should drop a bit for vers / crit gems/entch

[odd tree]

you see next week?

aren't going to be any heals in group finder

[winged cobalt]

tyra griev

cba

[turbid shuttle]

Am I correct in thinking that armor spikes, fang adorment, elemental lariat, and the plate wrists with the verse effect all count as an embellishment? And so you can have a maximum of 2 out of the 4 equipped? If so, any preference on which 2? I have armor spikes on a crafted shield right now, and thinking about making some wrists.

[odd tree]

bursting + grievous is the combo i'm thinking healers are more worried about

but some bosses will definitely kill keys more then they did this week

[safe tundra]

no cap i know its agi but

i use the agi 1hander right lol?

[mighty valley]

uhhhhhhh sim it but i doubt it, 140 strength is a lot

[marsh forge]

What have ppl been leaning towards for 2nd embellishment?

[mighty valley]

in the pins

tldr they're all really close together. probably mild edge to lariat + helm

but also it's fine to craft a slot that gives you a big ilvl increase

[marsh forge]

yeah, i had seen pins but i also know that was some changes between beta and live for helmet from what i think either nom or arch was saying so it was close

[compact jackal]

Man, do I want this 398 m+ haste/crit neck and I swap my vers/mast 398 belt for unstable

or do I get lariat

tough choices

Damn, M+ really bumped the price.

[south gyro]

how do people feel about the idol of the dreamer trinket?

[south zealot]

not worth

[safe tundra]

i figured as much but it was a lot of wep dmg

[copper basin]

are we getting debuffed tomorrow?

[safe tundra]

would be weird if they nerfed before the end of rwf

[wary heath]

Alright Monday night. Who's got the sexiest vault primed and ready

[south zealot]

casual gamer vault

[craggy pilot]

nice 17 vault

not rly casual i would say

i feel like i played a lot this week, and my vault is only M+ keys, and highest +14.. 🤔

maybe im just shit

[hazy spear]

is there a trinket list somewhere

[wary heath]

No raid for you ?

[regal spoke]

hey\

[floral river]

I got a 17 twice this week RLP and TJS, I was not fortunate to get a group to even beat a 16; gz

[empty finch]

Yooo similar vaults gang gang

[regal spoke]

i wish i had time this week for mythics lol

[south zealot]

wtf we are almost the same

im working on my heroic 2nd slot rn lol

[empty finch]

Going for my 2nd 17 tomorrow

[regal spoke]

i got into some really bad teams in the ones I got to do and now realize i should just make the groups instead of join

[floral river]

feels worse to have dps tank your own key

[empty finch]

If you do have to pug, you really want to just slam groups yourself and not join other groups, its a mess

[icy citrus]

regarding stats in m+, haste is the best and what is the second stat?

[south zealot]

crit for damage vers if you are doing high keys

[regal spoke]

think ill level an alt the rest of the day since i can't get the sparks either

[icy citrus]

great. and what is considered high atm?

[south zealot]

18+ prolly

[icy citrus]

thank you very much

[empty finch]

Also very much varies from key to key

[steady steppe]

can i get a health check how much does everyone have

[south zealot]

393k

[icy bane]

410

[fresh kiln]

this all totem of the master trinket

is it even worth using

even if its way higher ilvl than any other trinket

[steady steppe]

ok ok

[icy bane]

Yeah

[fresh kiln]

cool

[urban portal]

HP is literally just ilevel

[desert lodge]

jesus link your account lol

[urban portal]

its bascially the same thing as asking how much ilevel people has

+- some enchants

[steady steppe]

yea but im ilvl 385 at 367k

[tender cove]

lmao...ruby 12...over time..we die 4 times in a row... I'm last man standing from 2.7 million

solo it and gg

[urban portal]

nothing you can do about it

[tender cove]

its so easy when everyone dead, no mechanics and thundering cant go on you

[urban portal]

the gear you got dropped may be the low stamina pieces

[potent sun]

407k

[smoky pike]

How do i know when the firedragon lands in ruby life pools? keep getting him with other trash

[turbid shuttle]

if you go right path, he lands by the pool right after 2nd elemental

[fading tide]

what vault ilvl drops from 2 heroic kills?

[sand pebble]

Listen to the screams from your healer

[craggy pilot]

holy shit the amount of dmg in Temple

when dps just chug interrupts at random shit

[digital frigate]

Temple was unholy problem for me

But then I researched comp

and became picky for 2 hours

and I manage to time my 14

[craggy pilot]

just did 14 overtime

people trolling the entire dung

[digital frigate]

Hey but you got through right?

[fading tide]

what was your team?

[craggy pilot]

pushing pack into other pack 😄

[fading tide]

i got a 12 i might try b4 reset

[craggy pilot]

and who do you think they blame

after Evoker pushbacks into 2nd pack and wipes grp 🤣

[uneven river]

So shadowmoon is literally a free key compared to the rest on 15 eh!

[digital frigate]

Rogue, Mage, Priest (H), Hunter me

[empty finch]

Sorry for the late answer, sitting at 415k atm unbuffed!

[digital frigate]

The last pack my guildie give me advice and we just committed all our cd's and then began unholy kite

[craggy pilot]

had Ret pala doing less dmg than me as well 🤷‍♂️

[craggy pilot]

the last pack is fucking insane

like i dont know whats the idea

[digital frigate]

Yes that is the biggest problem is last pack lol

[craggy pilot]

he spawns what 5 mini adds that cast Death Claw for 250k each?

[digital frigate]

But whenever now I commit all our CD's and then we just kite backwards.

[fast knot]

The Doubts cast Dark Claw

[craggy pilot]

oh so only the one guy

[fast knot]

3

[craggy pilot]

i was sure i got hit by multiple Dark Claw at the same time

[digital frigate]

3

[craggy pilot]

ohhh that pack has 3

and there is one in each pack on 3rd bosos

[empty finch]

Honestly thinking of running Burgeoning seed on temple just to have the extra ~2.4k vers on last pack 😅

[craggy pilot]

also, 3rd boss, anyone has a tip on how to see which direction the waves are gonna shoot from?

i walk out, and it spawns and shoots insta

i get hit so often

[fast knot]

I run spell block in that dungeon just to give extra tankiness

[digital frigate]

Yeah

Spell block helps

[craggy pilot]

i did too, didnt rly help too much i felt

[digital frigate]

The last pack you just devote everything except lust and murder what you can then kite backwards

[craggy pilot]

also these legacy dungeons with no BW timers is fucking attrocious

[digital frigate]

Hahaha

[fast knot]

LittleWigs

for the dungeons

[craggy pilot]

i have it

but theres no timers in Temple

[fading tide]

i can skip the fire dragon in RP right?

[fast knot]

Yes

[empty finch]

Yeah Soap, you can skip the fire dragon in Ruby without any issues

[fast knot]

You want to skip him

or your group is going to get absolutely tossed

[craggy pilot]

unless someone bodypulls, so be careful

[empty finch]

Personally I start left side & clear all that out, just seems to match up with the perfect timing for skipping fire dragon

[craggy pilot]

but anyone have a tip on how to see which way 3rd boss shoots out waves? 🤔

[fast knot]

They are usually on corners

if you run straight out you shouldn't be hit

[empty finch]

I'd say move out an extra step or 2, gives you a little extra chance to get away, haven't really done jade to realise any patterns myself

[plush garden]

Put your camera straight up and it's ez to see

[craggy pilot]

feel like i run straight and get hit every time

[fast knot]

Only time I've gotten hit was intervening to get lost and then my derpy ranged was in line to get hit

then again I also have camera topside

to stop the fuckin trees

[craggy pilot]

or do i just sit inside the circle, and not walk out?

[fast knot]

You should ideally move out

a ton of damage to just take to the face

Fort it's definitely a bad habit to get into since you'll survive

[craggy pilot]

seems like the waves do more dmg than the inner circle tho

but dunno

[fast knot]

Tyran you're going to give your healer a heart attack

[mortal brook]

both are avoidable, recommend

[craggy pilot]

ye ok 🤔

[fast knot]

I swear they are cardinal directions

[craggy pilot]

so North South?

[fast knot]

N S E W

[craggy pilot]

ye will try to dodge that way next time hten

just saw in video, and it looked like that, but then 2nd wave was rotated a bit compared to the first

[mortal brook]

might be off the direction she's facing? (this is a guess not real info)

[prisma crane]

I'd argue it's 99% of the time diagonal off of the way she's facing

But could be coincidence since I always just happen to face her to the side

[fast knot]

I was originally a corner gamer but due to dps being boosted and running into the wall and thus dying to said circle

I had to play in the center felt like waves were easier to play around from the corner spot

[craggy pilot]

oh well thats an issue for tomorrow

[fast knot]

then again Quacking also made it a little more complicated

[prisma crane]

I think my habit just came from running the place in MoP on CM a bunch of times

Was a different time though lol. Would pull all shas at once and blow em up

[soft tusk]

Why are there so many different Prot Warrior builds for keys!?

[mortal brook]

Situational talents are situationally situational

[soft tusk]

Trying to jump into warrior and all these different builds confuse me

What would be the best way to learn?

[open vine]

Honestly just make sure you have some cc (shockwave/storm bolt) for mythic+ and everything else in general m+ builds

The cc is most important really

[fading tide]

whats the play with the fire imps in COS? they one shotted me lol

[snow robin]

Shockwave and die FeelsGoodMan

[open vine]

Yeah shockwave

You rotate aor stuns for packs like that

Aoe*

Booking typhoon interrupts too

Boomkin*

[fast knot]

Uhh damn

I knew they were gonna nerf M+ but sheesh

good changes

[chilly brook]

Where the dark claw nerfs tho

[hoary hazel]

just spellblock it

ezzzzz

[open vine]

Hahaha good

[fast knot]

We have the tools to mitigate it well and still get clapped lol

[pastel remnant]

what talent should i change for jade temple ?

[open vine]

Fuck jade serpent

[fast knot]

although to be fair I still think this week is going to still be hardcapped pretty low

[chilly brook]

yes that helps for every other tank spec

[hoary hazel]

reroll

[chilly brook]

I'm having a great time as BrM ty

besides I prefer not to be one of the FOTM Andy's who show up once a year

[onyx briar]

Alchemy trinkets any good for us?

[errant leaf]

Guys do any of you have a good route for Court of Stars 15 ? Can’t find a good one

[chilly brook]

I'd assume any of the ones from Legion would still be good

[round pendant]

I wish I could remember my time doing +15s in legion

Would have prevented my failure finishing court yesterday lmao

[errant leaf]

Every time i’m going for CoS i over % by pretty much double

[fast knot]

I have a general route I follow but it also depends on what's up

if engineer orb is up I know blacksmith won't spawn lieutenant

so right side is going to have most of the boss summon things then

to skip pulling Enforcers since group doesn't like to LoS big bad boom thing

suicide run to get gate open to skip some of that annoying shit

[round pendant]

I haven't actually played since legion

Is it just me or are mythic+s significantly harder than back then?

[empty finch]

They definitely are :P

[round pendant]

Or is this batch just super overtuned?

[warm plinth]

@potent anvil @shut summit hello wonderful friends. I hope you are doing well and enjoying the raid/keys!

[fast knot]

It's still pretty earlty

[wide charm]

what do i upgrade first to 418: weapon or neck ?

[round pendant]

I got clapped on jade serpent +4 and this fury warrior started shittalking me

[fast knot]

Most of the Legion keys had the same get hit and you're dead concept

except some of them actually would dust tanks

[round pendant]

I remember Legion being incredibly easy as a paladin tank

Then I come to DF and get clapped in a +4

[potent anvil]

[quartz mist]

36 CoS later

[round pendant]

I guess prot warrior is a bit different, really not used to keeping multiple things up + I'm rusty

[warm plinth]

have you tried looting it sooner

[lusty narwhal]

is lariat bis for prot?

[quartz mist]

@warm plinth I tried , looting Tier bonus and incarnate icon took my luck away

[lusty narwhal]

What gems should I be using for lariat?

2x hate/vers?

haste*

3x*

[quartz mist]

my sim right now showing me crit for dps

[lusty narwhal]

crit what

[quartz mist]

crit haste

x2

75 main stat and 66 haste for my third

[lusty narwhal]

did i fuck up by doing haste/vers for my missive?

[quartz mist]

nah

[tiny hare]

Got it on my evoker .. ofc not on my war

[quartz mist]

oh no , sadge :C

knowing me itll be in my vault tomorrow , still desperately fishing for a shield

[lusty narwhal]

primary stat means str? or our highest after str?

[quartz mist]

str yeah

[lusty narwhal]

how do we get crit/hase gem? i only see primary + x

[sly shadow]

Hey guys, is there anyway to track how much damage you block through details or something else?

[quartz mist]

crafty alexstraszite , yours could be simming for haste , i dont know

for me crit is better for dps

[lusty narwhal]

where do i go to sim

[radiant path]

I got my lariat today. What is the next embellishment I should go for?

[quartz mist]

raidbots @lusty narwhal

[radiant path]

Unstable Frostfire Belt, Helm of Vengeance, Primal Molten Defender, or Obsidian Seared Hexsword?

[sick sentinel]

is one-handed weapons speclization is a 5% dmg incrase to all spells or just my melee dmg?

[urban portal]

all spells

[sick sentinel]

oooo

[lusty narwhal]

@quartz mist How does raidbot work

i installed it and did /raidbot but nothing came up

[fathom robin]

Do warrior tanks do more DMG than druid tanks on average?

[quartz mist]

download simulationcraft addon off curseforge

then /simc , copy paste it into website

[lusty narwhal]

I copy paste all this text into where?

[quartz mist]

raidbot

[lusty narwhal]

put it into quick sim?

[quartz mist]

other tools stat weights

[urban portal]

dont use stat weights

[quartz mist]

hes lookin to see if haste or crit is better atm

me its crit

[lusty narwhal]

yea its showing crit 1.16 haste 1.12

[frozen lava]

the tree boss is just complete bullshit, wtf was blizz thinking

[urban portal]

if you are looking for damage

crit is always gonna be better

haste just does more than damage

[quartz mist]

tree boss is nerfed tomorrow

dont worry

[frozen lava]

is he? thank god I mean I dunno what youre supposed to do

[lusty narwhal]

@urban portal you think the bread and butter haste/vers would be overall better outcome?

[urban portal]

sure why not

after haste it doesnt matter much

[lusty narwhal]

vers is also dmg but also reduc

[urban portal]

every tank stat is damage reduction

[quartz mist]

depends if you want to live or beat nerds on dps and live. i chose second and its decent

[urban portal]

crit is parry chance

mastery is attack power and critical block

they are all damage reduction

[lusty narwhal]

so going off of stat weights after haste isnt a bad way to go

[quartz mist]

he's doing gemming , of course ilvl lmao

duh

[lusty narwhal]

yea going for gems for my lariat atm

[quartz mist]

hit 393 with a 372 shield still , refuse to craft one , heres to good luck in the vault lmao

[warm plinth]

Craaaaaaaft

[quartz mist]

NEVER

[snow robin]

Tfw you haven't crafted your lariat because the new crafting system is hard kekw

[warm plinth]

Shit's too expensive right now man

[quartz mist]

my craft was godly , cost me 20k , first proc was R5

[warm plinth]

jesus

[quartz mist]

bless the lords

[warm plinth]

RNJesus has blessed you

[quartz mist]

then it shit on me for that ring from CoS

[prisma crane]

just gonna say, the trinket "Integrated Primal Fire" is a lot of fun, just fire upper cutting mobs like a boss

[warm plinth]

Meanwhile I just now got a piece of steak out from between my teeth that'd been stuck there since lunch

[prisma crane]

340 one does like 200k dmg

[warm plinth]

Your mom does like 200k dmg

[quartz mist]

used to be more OP i think they nerfed it a smidge

[warm plinth]

gottem

[prisma crane]

lame

[warm plinth]

It was nerfed a bit and then they reduced the damage but also the CD

[prisma crane]

i wish that trinket was gettable from M+

[warm plinth]

So the damage remained unchanged

(other than the first nerf)

[prisma crane]

its just really fun to hit

they need more stuff like it

that's all im sayin

[lusty narwhal]

@quartz mist if my highest stat weight is str would that trump the crit/haste gems? and i would go primary stat+ next highest? because atm str is like 2 points ahead of everything else

[quartz mist]

safest bet its no problem , minimal difference id say , could just do 2 haste / vers / 1 str/haste

up to you

[urban portal]

there is a way to sim gems

in top gear

[lusty narwhal]

im pretty oblivious to simming

so im learning on the fly

[urban portal]

its much better than using stat weights

[warm plinth]

It's very typical for the highest stat weight to be str by a decent bit. We generally recommend the main stat/haste gem and two haste/crit or haste/vers gems for the other two.

[lusty narwhal]

what do i need to fuck with to add a combination? it says it requires at least two

[urban portal]

bottom of top gear has a bunch of ways to select enchants

or gems

[lusty narwhal]

so i would select all the gems i might want?

[tawny briar]

Did they remove the shield wall party DR?

[warm plinth]

Yes, just keep in mind that gem sims tend to stack up iterations fast, so try not to go too crazy

[warm plinth]

Yes, it was replaced with another talent on the same node.

[frozen lava]

is the ruby trinket still BIS?

for M+ drops

[toxic mesa]

how should i use the ruby trinket? should i tell the whelp what to do?

[green kernel]

is icyviens or wowhead better for prot guide?

[maiden notch]

how do you decide between into the fray vs heavy repercussions in M+?

[prisma crane]

sb up time

[red ferry]

Hey ! I'm misunderstanding about the 4P, do we get ignore pain each time we cast revenge or does this bonus act like the talent, which needs to already have ignore pain on you, and add an additional 5% of your damage to your ignore pain ?

[mighty egret]

wow spellblock is SO good in SBG

[frozen lava]

the wowhead/icy veins guide has it as BIS

is that a site?

is there a list?

yeah

[urban portal]

yeah basically

[urban portal]

you dont need an active ignore pain

[red ferry]

That's insane tho, you're basically "just" spamming revenge then ?

[urban portal]

no?

you are still pressing your rage generators

[frozen lava]

Oh are we targetting damage trinkets only?

[urban portal]

it doesnt change your rotation

it just makes you slightly less tankier

[frozen lava]

I was assuming I was finding like tank ones

[red ferry]

Yeah but i mean you're not going to cast ignore pain as often as we used to do, right ? Since we're combining 4P + talent

[frozen lava]

Damn nice. I havent done over a +12. We got a +12 alg and I mean was impossible to kill tree boss so we gav e up

[urban portal]

no because your level of ignore pain was never considered in your rotation

you only cast IP to dump rage

or to live mythic boss tank hits

else you ONLY cast IP to dump excess rage

[brisk flax]

if you are actively tanking, you should have some IP up imo

but rage dump

is usually more than enough

[urban portal]

unless you are tanking undergeared mythic

you barely even need IP up

shield block is so absurdly powerful vs white hits

[red ferry]

Ah ? 👀

[snow robin]

Bruh I need IP on my 9s

[brisk flax]

I keep it up, but like i said Rage dumping is usually more than enough

So much rage to spend

so little time

lol

[mellow quartz]

Tank anything of worth in m+ without IP active and you will get shit on.

[urban portal]

im not saying dont ever press IP

im saying that the amount of times you are pressing IP will not change with or without tier

[thick ore]

Sorry if this is posted somewhere, I can't seem to find it. What embellishments do people like to run?

[urban portal]

[loud patrol]

i love those changes

[warm plinth]

Just need temple trash changes and tree boss changes. Like how they nerfed the big add HP and didn't touch the little adds

[loud patrol]

i thought exactly the same

why no school boss changes

theres Wa

[warm plinth]

Not that I'm aware, no. There's a WA somewhere but I've heard it's not particularly good

[loud patrol]

make it into a weakaura

and gib

did...did they buff the flamedancer of ruby?

plz tell me i read that wrong

[warm plinth]

It's a nerf I imagine. Same damage but longer channel (which means less damage per tick)

[loud patrol]

just delete the mob

[warm plinth]

I just don't really see a point in having a weakaura to tell me what's reflectable

Hey that's magic presses spell reflect

[loud patrol]

not all magic is reflectable

[warm plinth]

It's all mitigatable

[loud patrol]

and not all non cast seems reflectable

like those tornados in then ghosts of nokhud

you can press reflect and step into one

[warm plinth]

Yes but why are you only focusing on the reflectable part. It still mitigates the cast by 20%

[loud patrol]

if not reflectable then i have no fun

[warm plinth]

like if it's not reflectable do you just let it do full damage to you out of spite

[loud patrol]

tbh no

then i use it as mitigation

but i like seeing spell reflect as my n1 dmg

im still mad pallys can block spells as a passive and we have to take an active talent

[vivid rover]

It's one thing that separates me and my guild's other tank 😔

[loud patrol]

hands?

[proud dock]

which dungs do we go spell block again?

[loud patrol]

oh i was gonna say

i guess academy?

idk

[warm plinth]

tbf pally can't block 100% of the time like we can

[loud patrol]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148898720803586048/1034155553074712576/940389949742673920.gif

make it 30 secs cd for us

theres a pally tank in my guild and if my guild tries to bench me im leaving lmao

i wish they do

[pallid quiver]

I think we should passively be able to block spells, no talent needed. And to be able to shout people back to life. And have a personal horse. And have a healer spec. And be able to go unvuncible. And, uh.... Party wide auras. In fact, I think we should just remove Pink Class from the game. 🙂

im not biased or anything ha ha

[loud patrol]

tbh fury should have a cheat death

well warrior in general

"too angry to die"

consumes all the rage and recovers hp depending on rage consumed

1% per rage point

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148897941883584512/997086666961457203/chatting.gif

[pallid quiver]

it should have no cd, too, as well 🙂

[alpine solar]

are wrist any good to craft?

[compact jackal]

Arcane Tender's Infused Ground damage reduced by 33%. lmao

that shit was lethal

[compact jackal]

Allied?

As the official shill of them, yes.

[south zealot]

any nokhud offensive enjoyers

[sturdy timber]

Just did 3 m0 dungeons on my fresh warrior and got 0 drops 😭

[alpine solar]

@compact jackal what u mean lol

so allied wrist good or bad?

[proud dock]

is storm flask better for m+? better than glacial fury?

isnt stats better

[alpine solar]

can i go lariat and wrist and be ok?

[warm plinth]

yeah

[compact jackal]

The shaman got whetstone

[sand drum]

@strong forum is Brutal Vitality fixed or we still play Violence ?
and another noob Q is if vitality stacks w tier set 🤔 ?

[hazy sluice]

Is it just my low ilvl 380 arse or is the switch from ITF a kinda big dmg loss ? From 30k-35k overall to 23-25k for the last few keys

Well I dropped barbaric training also

[vivid sparrow]

im trying to make a macro for shield charge and normal charge on same key. #showtooltip
/cast shield charge
/cast Charge

thats what im using but its using shield charge and charge GCD.. any way to make it stop using regular charge with the shield charge

[hazy sluice]

It's generally no good idea to use a macro for two different use case spells

U wanna use shield charge not as charge replacement in general but mostly in melee range while avatar and demo are rolling

Gotta see it as a damage cd

[vivid sparrow]

ok ya i wasnt looking at it as damage.. just thinking of it as extra charge

[hazy sluice]

Many of us where at that point when starting to play prot 😄

[snow robin]

Noob question but do I need to be aware of anything using this macro?

/cast Shield Slam

[warm plinth]

It should replace your Ignore Pain button, not your Shield Slam button.

[snow robin]

Ty sir

[true surge]

hey guys. im new to prot warrior. fresh 70 and did a 7 azure vault on it. obv felt very down bad and died a couple times but obv i was a fresh 70 like 320 ilvl but had my buddy on heals. any tips for a new prot warrior? see that macro above that ill use from here on out but anything else i should know? still reading and going through the guides, looking on r.io at builds and such

[torn gulch]

you went in a +7 at 320?

[true surge]

sry 329

[torn gulch]

check the pins

all of them

check both guides that are in the pins

they have everything you need

[true surge]

i guess a big question and i didnt see this anywhere is like, is there a rule for how high you should stack ignore pain? before you start spending on revenge? im guessing the top end of IP scales with your health?

[snow robin]

Can someone with lariat show what gems you have? Ty in advance

[chilly brook]

itf is great but it shouldn't be a 10k dps loss

[hazy sluice]

Yeah thought so too...misplay then I guess

[heavy glen]

hey! how are you guys deciding on what to craf with your spark(s)?

[chilly brook]

wdym

it's got a cap

that you hit pretty fast

don't think about "stacking ip"

Press IP to not cap on rage and spend rage on damage abilities, you only actively dump rage on IP if you're in a high damage intake situation

[vivid sparrow]

im in this spot too right now

[heavy glen]

I'm thinking of spending just on my lowest ilvl piece....

[true surge]

ahh ok maybe it just feelsbad for me cuz i was insanely undergeared for that one key for the week. like 1 attack would just take it off. good to know though

[chilly brook]

iirc regarding sparks it's "something around under a percent to a percent of difference so choose whatever"

[chilly brook]

that's just how IP works

you don't pay attention to it

it's not something you "manage"

[south zealot]

i crafted lariat

[heavy glen]

my 2c, @true surge , I spend on IP when I know I am 1: "overcapping" rage, or I know a bigger mechanic that requires mitigation is coming.

[south zealot]

should use second on brez piece if you do high keys

[median tulip]

I don't really pay attention to the IP cap as I'm overflowing with Rage anyway. But at 329 I'm not surprised you're getting flattened in a +7. Strongly advise killing as many Rares as you can find for quick upgrades, and other open world content like the siege. Kudos for trying M+ so early though.

[true surge]

ok that makes sense. i think im like more so like trying to mainly focus on keeping it almost up and min maxing it. sounds like its just a spend angle? guessin shield block is just the main money thing thats making you take no damage?

[chilly brook]

yes

shield block is king

IP isn't mitigation

[median tulip]

Shield Block should be up for all melee hits

[heavy glen]

I have come into the habit of tanking 99% of time in battle stance....

[chilly brook]

shield block is mitigation

[median tulip]

Yes.

[heavy glen]

odds are that there are OTHER problems in place to wipes being caused.

[true surge]

yeah luckily it was with friends so it was a quick last min get a vault key in. ty guys yall have been very helpful 🙂 i think i do pretty well with keeping SB up as much as possible but still like 5 secs of downtime or so at some points where i dont have it between both my charges of it and the shield charge

[heavy glen]

missed interupts on critical spells....

positioning

void zones

[south zealot]

i make it a habit to tank in dstance bc you can’t do damage if youre dead

[chilly brook]

well "keeping it up as much as possible" is also not necessarily the right mindset either

blocking as many blockable hits is

[median tulip]

I make it a habit to tank in BStance because the enemies can't do damage if they're dead

[true surge]

yeah this is like my first time playing warr. played bdk last xpac and its such a diff vib between the two. its really throwing me off i suck lol

[chilly brook]

Well it's similar

Assuming you're not talking s3/4 BDK

[south zealot]

its not even remotely similar

[chilly brook]

It is

Both tanks are proactive

[south zealot]

literally the opposite

[median tulip]

Like... I did Academy. I DStanced for the tree's second add phase. The rest of the dungeon I BStanced

[chilly brook]

Just because you press Death Strike after damage doesn't mean it's reactive

If you played Blood reactively in s1/2 you were fucked

[warm plinth]

No tank is really reactive in WoW

Not at this stage anyway

[south zealot]

all tanks are proactive

[heavy glen]

@true surge unless you progged up to 7s of a BDK this season, it's probably just dungeon learning that is killing you more than anything else.

[south zealot]

you gotta know when youre taking samage

[chilly brook]

Blood 100% revolved around pooling resources before damage happened

and good resource managment

Which is fairly similar to prot

only difference is you're not "pooling" before damage you're instead pressing shield block or a CD beforehand

[onyx vessel]

Zug zug is the only way to prot war

[south zealot]

prot is maximizing mitigation uptime

[heavy glen]

lol

[chilly brook]

and also making sure your rage economy is upkept

[median tulip]

Pretty much every class boils down to good resource management

[onyx vessel]

[chilly brook]

no it's not

[onyx vessel]

Maximizing dmg

[south zealot]

[onyx vessel]

[south zealot]

tru

[chilly brook]

prot is about good utilization of mitigation and spending rage

[compact jackal]

Wish me luck on my 405 bracer inspiration

[true surge]

yeah i think itll just be like more playing the class. i got like 1700 io on rogue so was just thyinking of something fun to play in down time so picked warrior 🙂 think i just need to slam keys in order to get some of it but you guys have def given me some good tips

[heavy glen]

gl

[chilly brook]

maximizing your uptime of shield block doesn't mean shit if 50% of that uptime you weren't being hit by blockable attacks

[south zealot]

practice is key

good luck

[onyx vessel]

[south zealot]

yes it does

more shield slam dam

[chilly brook]

?

[onyx vessel]

How to get 1700 dont work

[south zealot]

[chilly brook]

lmfao

[onyx vessel]

[heavy glen]

no kids

no wife

[median tulip]

To be honest I'm more often thinking to myself "don't press Shield Block, got 14s uptime already, this shit will be dead by then" than worrying about uptime

[compact jackal]

failed twice sadge

[onyx vessel]

All you need is palm sisters anyways

[heavy glen]

I just revenge/clap/slam 'till dead....

lol

all the rest is butthole pucker

[compact jackal]

3 fails

[onyx vessel]

Slam

[true surge]

ok i love this. i need to think this through more as im going through packs. i think im just so used to dps its like press things in pandemic when its about to fall off mindset

[heavy glen]

sounds like a damn jelopy in my office.

[compact jackal]

4 fails

[onyx vessel]

I mean shield block caps out at 20+ seconds

So hitting shield block at 14 is fine

[chilly brook]

Tbh I'm struggling with not just firing my purifies off when I have stagg....oh wait wrong chat

[compact jackal]

5

[chilly brook]

[compact jackal]

30% inspiration btw

[onyx vessel]

Is this lost ark now

[compact jackal]

6 btw

[median tulip]

If you're moving to a next pack it's better not to throw the charge away though.

[heavy glen]

i'm big sad. I've been busy so the highest key I got to was only an 11

[onyx vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/sus-the-rock-gif-25977505

[chilly brook]

is ok same here

[onyx vessel]

Mine was 11 overtime

[chilly brook]

but also just barely 370 ilvl

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[onyx vessel]

Jade is rough

[compact jackal]

7 🤡

[hazy sluice]

Same here with kids lel

[heavy glen]

gj

[chilly brook]

tbh I could probably go time my 12 now

[heavy glen]

ok, so verdict on spark is to.... just make whatever?

[chilly brook]

in pins

[heavy glen]

oh... I wasn't evenin thinking about embellishments

I don't understand the fuckers

I'm just like... wtf should I craft

period

[chilly brook]

Well

this uses sparks

[heavy glen]

maybe I'm just a boomer.....

[compact jackal]

9

[heavy glen]

I have 1 spark

[chilly brook]

it uses 1 spark

[heavy glen]

I COULD wait another week....

[chilly brook]

you should have 2 sparks though this week

[heavy glen]

I have a matrix 4 to use

[median tulip]

Either use them to compensate for a slot where you've been unlucky on drops, or if you are a really good crafter (or have a friend who is) then try for a top rank craft in an important slot like Shield

[warm plinth]

88 vers gems wtf

[heavy glen]

(I spent one already)

[chilly brook]

am monk

we like vers

[compact jackal]

how am I at 10 wtf

[warm plinth]

isn't it still better to do like vers/crit gems though

mor totala stats

I can't type fuck

more total stats

[chilly brook]

idk I did what the guide said

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[warm plinth]

You're a guide

gottem

[chilly brook]

[median tulip]

Also legs is a tier slot

[nimble laurel]

This showed up in my mailbox from The Postmaster and I have no idea where it's from

[compact jackal]

It took me 13 recrafts with 30% inspiration for these.

[nimble laurel]

did 17% of my overall healing in a RLP +13 though

[compact jackal]

Who wants to get my lottery ticket numbers made?

Anyone have a 405 lariat that can tell me the proc's stat value?

[static aspen]

Being proud monk in prot discord ✅
Liking vers stat✅

[chilly brook]

I was a prot boi for 3 xpacs

[static aspen]

Living in past dreams ✅

[chilly brook]

just wanted something different, still love warrior but monk was my jam before Legion

[snow robin]

holy shit this macro is godly

Can someone with lariat post ss for gems? Thanks

[chilly brook]

just for you @warm plinth

[warm plinth]

You're the best Griff

It'll be Fierce Illimited Diamond x1 and then either Crafty Ysemerald (haste/crit) or Energized Ysemerald (haste/vers) x2

@snow robin

[heavy glen]

you can wear more than 1 spark piece, right?

[limpid anchor]

Wait why crit

Where’s the haste

[limpid anchor]

You can wear all the spark pieces, but only 2 with an effect

[dapper venture]

Yes why crit im curious

[limber flame]

made shield of hearth first week when i shouldve waited for weapon or bracers pepehands

[median niche]

How to deal with the toxin on tree boss in academy. Did a 16 yesterday and it was horrible

[mighty valley]

wait til it's nerfed on reset, blow up the tree add

[median niche]

Wait do you play on tn

[limpid anchor]

They didn’t nerf the toxins

The branch won’t make a difference

It’s about cd management and your dps players

Also use bitter

[median niche]

Bitter?

[alpine solar]

...

we dont whirlwind right?

[mighty valley]

no

[mighty valley]

bitter immunity is a class tree talent that can self-cleanse poisons

and diseases

[compact jackal]

if only I didn't have a 398

[prisma crane]

valor works

but id save for now

[compact jackal]

Yeah, I'm waiting to burn it on signet or something

[foggy kernel]

How much vers per stack on 405?

[compact jackal]

53

[torn gulch]

i think you're capped at 5 spark pieces with two handers counting as 2 unless they changed it

[snow robin]

Tysm bro

[tulip raptor]

Hey Bois. First tier playing Prot ever so still getting my head into it. Should I be mostly using defense stance for mythic raid and let's say 12+ keys? Or just use it when it feels not worth the risk?

[chilly brook]

@limpid anchor @dapper venture if you’re asking why I have those gems in that neck it’s because I’m not prot

[limpid anchor]

Very misleading to post that in prot after people asked for gems

[warm plinth]

Use battle stance until you feel that you need defensive stance

[chilly brook]

Well it wasn’t supposed to be in response to that

[warm plinth]

He pinged me with that picture

[chilly brook]

And Ghash also gave an answer of what gems to use

Pretty sure it’s also in the guide

[alpine solar]

We go allied wrist yes?

[limpid anchor]

Didn’t see it’s a brm

[snow robin]

Can you swap gems in and out of lariat ez pz?

[alpine solar]

any spicy warrior wa

[toxic geyser]

Can probably just use defensive stance for tank busters and slap away in battle 90% or the time… Prot’s baseline is very tanky and you’ll be able to feel if one stance or the other isn’t right for what’s happening to you, prot’s not hugely spikey so you’ll have time to change on the fly

[toxic geyser]

Like… WA packs or?

[alpine solar]

ye

[jolly granite]

The first pack in shadowmoon burial ground. What hits you so hard shortly before the pack dies? I always drop to around 10% hp.

[limpid anchor]

The bone guys

It’s a castes strike

Just run away

[jolly granite]

Do you know the % when they start doing this?

[limpid anchor]

They always do

But below 30% they enrage

So 50% more dmg

[jolly granite]

Ah okay

Thanks

[deft girder]

a#

[short reef]

we dont whirlwind , but do we ever slam? asking for a friend

[warm plinth]

Nope

No slam, no whirlwind, no rend

[keen star]

anyone got 4pc? does it refresh IP duration or at least apply new IP when I don't have it?

[short reef]

my friend really thanks you

[warm plinth]

tell your friend he's very welcome

[light fulcrum]

Is there any trick to handling the arcane balls on last boss azure vault? I feel like I'm constantly chased by like roughly 10 of them and trying to move as little as possible

[keen star]

charge away, call for dispel

[shell trail]

Keep Heroic Leap to yeet out, ask for dispell, Charge Chrystalls, Avatar should help with it as well

[royal coral]

Last i asked apparently standing still for so long removes the debuff or so ive been told, so don't move until you need to

[fast knot]

It's four seconds now

[charred egret]

guys how do you play last add pack of jade serpent

it hits like truck if i remember correct the ability dark claw or something like that

should i kite them when wall ends or any other idea

[pallid quiver]

I have a talent build specifically for Temple that has spell block and the two shield wall talents

If we haven't dropped a single add by the time I'm done rotating defensives between 2 Shield Walls, Spell Block, Last Stand, IV snipes, Rally, Shockwave/Storm Bolting mobs in there that can be stunned, all sprinkled with spell reflects to reflect claws and reduce damage from the haunting sha,

i cry

[severe steeple]

i was hoping for smth more when reading MASSIVE NERFS TO DUNGEONS on wowhead

dunno how much these nerfs unbanned some dungeons

[young mango]

This and ppl actually learn what to do will help alot atleast for pug bois like me

[royal coral]

and run like hell :p

[young mango]

Tanking NO Bosses without Getting dispelles feels like high keys in tyrannical weeks on a undergeared char

[stiff gate]

just finished a 90 minute long weekly no leaver Temple 20 and all i gotta ask is WHY do some of those mobs hit as hard as they do

[echo bramble]

Some things might be a bit overtuned, but it's week one of the entire season. People will be doing these keys for months with much better gear. You're trying to do content that is probably beyond "intended" at the moment, and only really feasible for the top coordinated groups

[stiff gate]

sure but i didnt feel like things were just instant killing me in 18 smbg, 18 court, 17 halls, 19 vault... the disparity between damage intake in the easy keys vs temple and ruby is ridiculous

[warm plinth]

Hopefully will see more of the tuning that they're putting out

[solar blade]

almost timed a 16 rlp yesterday..but mobs hit like a truck

[warm plinth]

[stiff gate]

i think a lot of that tuning was good, but it missed some stuff that i feel was just as bad as the stuff that got tuned (nokhud trash they only touched the ghost area, but the storm area imo is harder)

[solar blade]

i hope ill get a sbg 18 this key is so free

todays goal is my cos 17

[warm plinth]

CoS last boss is probably gonna be brutal next week

[stiff gate]

i got terrible key rolls all week until literally tonight where i got the god roll smbg into court into halls into smbg into court into smbg

[warm plinth]

wow lol

[stiff gate]

ended with temple 20 which was horrible but cant be mad

[toxic geyser]

what kind of overalls are people doing these days?

I know it varies key to key obvs

[prisma crane]

30-40k is pretty common

[noble lynx]

Temple is one of the easier no leavers i feel like for a 20

[bleak skiff]

Hello, can anyone give me advice why Im keeping loosing agro and how to fix it?

[echo bramble]

I usually do 30-40k in battle stance, but only 20-30k in defensive

[bleak skiff]

I never had this issue in low keys, but once I started doing higher keys like +13 - +14 I just keep loosing agro, I might started loosing it because I had higher dmg group or Im just dump idk

[echo bramble]

Most likely due to higher damage group + playing more defensively? Would be my guess

[compact jackal]

Can I outrange the Crystal Fury's Piercing Shards?

[bleak skiff]

Yes, Im focusing on playing more defensively as my current gear is not very good for higher keys

So should I start focusing playing more agressive? Using more revenge over ignore pain?

[limpid anchor]

What’s your gear?

Playing more definsively seems bad

Unless you absolutely need to

[echo bramble]

I find that the charge + dragon's roar + shield charge opener is usually enough to keep aggro. With the occasional taunt on mobs that get pulled away

With demo shout in between roar and SC

[bleak skiff]

Oh okay Im gonna try it

Because usually I use as opening - Avatar -> Demo -> charge -> Ravager -# Thunderous -> Shield block - Shield Slam

[echo bramble]

Should probably detail that a bit more. I always thunder clap immediately after the charge to spread rend, and also shield block the moment I get rage from the initial charge. I usually use Avatar on the way in as well

[jagged pier]

why are u demoing before u charge?

u wont hit adds with demo

u should also rav before u avatar while your charging to a pack

[chilly brook]

Was gonna mention ravager before charging

[lean willow]

^this is what I’m doing, pretty much always getting a thunder clap down right away no matter what cooldowns I have and I find dps has to really do something crazy to rip aggro

[snow robin]

Just got an upgrade, rip turtle shell

[bleak skiff]

I was using it because

[chilly brook]

Yea

[bleak skiff]

It increases dmg by 20%, but I might have been using it bad as I can see

[chilly brook]

No

[echo bramble]

If you're not in range of the mobs, then they won't be affected by the damage increase

[chilly brook]

It only increases damage on targets it affects

[lean willow]

You have to hit the mobs with it to get the damage

[chilly brook]

If you do it before charging mobs don’t get the debuff

[bleak skiff]

Ohh... Okay I didnt understand it properly

[chilly brook]

You read your talents

But not your abilities

[bleak skiff]

Yea thats true 😄 Im dumb thanks

[chilly brook]

It’s ok, I’m dumb too

[bleak skiff]

I never played tank before, was all years only playing arms and fury

[warm plinth]

That's okay I have done a dungeon with Griff; he's no Albert Einstein either

[echo bramble]

We're all learning!

[chilly brook]

Beat you to it

[warm plinth]

😂

[chilly brook]

Yoooo

Wait a second

[warm plinth]

I'm pretty sure I'm the guy who heroic leaped and died in mid-air

in Underrot

[chilly brook]

Lemme come dps your keys

[onyx matrix]

Hahaha

[chilly brook]

I’ll SCK harder than any monk you’ve ever seen

[warm plinth]

It was the mobs after Cragmaw, and iddr the mechanic exactly but I waited way too long to try to run

and as soon as I left the ground I just fell over

[chilly brook]

I think I was attempting to holy pally

That run

[warm plinth]

I think Speg was on WW

[frosty rivet]

When pugging keys, been pretending my group members are all NPCs
It has tremendously helped my sanity

[warm plinth]

and idr who else was there

[chilly brook]

I’m pretty sure I deleted any healing class after that

[warm plinth]

😂

Weren't you like hella undergeared though

[chilly brook]

Didn’t we have Nim?

[warm plinth]

There was a reason they were scuffed Skyhold keys

[frosty rivet]

Highly reccomend. Can't get mad at somebody who's not real. 🙂

[warm plinth]

Oh yeah probably

Oh, Hawgz was the other one

[chilly brook]

Hawgz

Absolute chad of a man

[onyx matrix]

Silverknights from DS1 says hi 😅😂

[warm plinth]

I don't think the last one was Nim though. I looked back when I was pinging peeps and it says deleted user 😢

And Nim is in here rn

[chilly brook]

[warm plinth]

the world may never know

[chilly brook]

Fr fr though

I’ll SCK and ToD your keys to victory

[warm plinth]

😂 I only do keys at non-scuffed times on Fri/Sat. We sometimes have DPS spots though. I'll hit you up if we do

[chilly brook]

Well I’m laying in bed rn so yea

Not trying to do keys right this second

[warm plinth]

I'm still at work 😡

[chilly brook]

[warm plinth]

Working nights is a feels bad

[chilly brook]

https://tenor.com/view/wagecage-gif-19254193

[austere wind]

Yo what's up Kings. Which talent tree is widely accepted as better for M+? Seems odd that Honed Reflexes is being left out on a few that I've looked up

[uncut notch]

Dreading Tyr keys this week, 30% more boss health and damage is gonna suck.

[chilly brook]

I’m gonna go out on a limb

And say it’s not gonna matter

Honed reflexes or not

[warm plinth]

The talent you would take other than Honed Reflexes is probably not significant so it's not gonna hurt you to run it

Mwahi's build takes Honed Reflexes iirc

yeah looks like Mwahi gives up Sidearm for it

[jagged pier]

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUVUkRRARpFRRBBNVUVEVFRFVYVUQDQBA this one honed reflexes has very very little value in m+

in ST raid its a very marginal increase

[austere wind]

hmm, interesting. Sidearm is pretty much 2.5-3% dmg increase in M+, maybe he wants faster interupts

@jagged pier yeah I don't run it ST raid, but for M+ it seemed decent enough.