protection

[wanton shale]

ahh maybe that's why i'm having some problems on top of not being that good lol, play with family and we're doing prot war, feral, DK, fury + pug healer. Only got up to +12 so far

[dusky canopy]

Maybe I was just unlucky with my pug then

Bricked that temple so fast

[wanton shale]

i should change the druid to boomkin for longterm better balance?

[loud patrol]

strat against that boss be like

[wanton shale]

i know 2 wars is bad but the wife likes playing one too and my goal is just to make it to +15

[loud patrol]

+20

[prisma crane]

you can spell block that as well as the haunting gaze from the other shas as well

[wanton shale]

i guess for most of yall that's trivial so you'd do 4 warriors and a healer and be fine lol

[loud patrol]

nah i mean loot caps at +20 now

go where the loot is

[wanton shale]

ahh i'll keep pushing to see how high we can get. Overall you think the druid being boomkin would be a better longterm balance?

[vagrant relic]

btw any good mythic+ prots to watch?

[loud patrol]

i mean depends on the dungeons

as i said jade serpent i feel it easier with more melee than ranged

[wanton shale]

ok cool depending on dungeon and affixes we have to change things up to make it ideal, need to learn that aspect of the game

[loud patrol]

but its not the same in fcking ruby life pools

[loud patrol]

theres no real "need"

just that it becomes easier

[wanton shale]

enjoying trying to push M+ for the first time, only PVP'd the last few expansions. Quite enjoyable so far

[prisma crane]

running with players playing the same thing every single run will help your group a lot faster than having them swap specs to play a shitty version of themselves to try to min max because a list tried to tell them they should

[wanton shale]

yea i think we'll do the same thing until we get used to it and stuck at some difficulty

cuz right now skill/coordination for sure is the limiting factor more than the spec

[vagrant relic]

have u ever been on the tree boss in the academy 11+ or in ruby life pools in general?

[wanton shale]

yea i beat the tree bosss on a +12 finally last night it was a pain lol

[loud patrol]

every ruby life pools feel like pain

[prisma crane]

yes they can swap specs, but generally just familiarity alone will help a LOT, only after you're extremely familiar with the dungeons and paths and mobs/mechanics, etc should you worry about spec min/max

[wanton shale]

we had to try to stack the adds as close as possible to cleave in time

or they'd keep adding up and killing me in like 2 secs later in the fight

[vagrant relic]

it's so weird having something life burial grounds in the same pool as ruby life pools

[wanton shale]

i wiped like 5X on a +11, then redid strategy and timed a +12

[prisma crane]

that tree makes you wonder why blizz is still ok with target caps

[loud patrol]

you and ur friends are already better than 70% of the pug population

[wanton shale]

yea willing to not get toxic and wipe several times to get it down is one of the big pluses of playing with friends/family lol

[prisma crane]

"we like target caps" then proceeds to make a boss with like 30 targets

[loud patrol]

whats weird is that HoV and nokhud has the exact same neck with a different name

[vagrant relic]

because in academy it's more like go in fight tree wipe 1 time everybody leaves

[wanton shale]

i've had that happen too haha

[vagrant relic]

and nobody stays in tank even when they asked too

[wanton shale]

so what i started doing is saying at the get go, we do tree first with lust and if we wipe we go back at end to finish it

so they know there's a chance we're gonna wipe lol

and that there's a backup plan

[toxic geyser]

Is brutal vitality fixed yet? Why are so many people running it in keys according to subcreation

[loud patrol]

nope not fixed yet

but is still good

[pallid quiver]

A. They're looking at talent lists that have it picked and ape-monkey copying
B. If you're doing difficult content, IP will actually fall off from time to time, mitigating the bug

Neither FBV or BrV are major things, anyhow, for your survival, so it doesn't matter that much

[safe moon]

Not sure if this is the right place to ask, is there a good video explaining everything for prot war?

[lusty tiger]

fbv gives me some decent healing in high magic damage dungeons

[loud patrol]

perfect place to ask and i think dorki has some good guides in his youtube channel

[lusty tiger]

@chrome falcon we need a new banner vid

[chrome falcon]

i'm literally washed up

i don't know how to play

i'm just going in and pressing buttons

[lusty tiger]

stop smoking so much weed before gaming

u cant be that bad dood lol

[minor helm]

[mighty valley]

time to pin the new guide on how to play prot warrior correctly

[jagged pier]

beat my council mythic dps C:

[lusty tiger]

BIS

[chrome falcon]

probably not doing council mythic until after xmas

plan for our week is mythic eggnog then hc clear

idk if we can do more than that in 6 hours

since we haven't done razza yet

[loud patrol]

im prob not even gonna touch mythic

[chrome falcon]

or do you think mythic council easier than hc razza?

[jagged pier]

razza is harder than the first 2 on mythic

proging razz now

[chrome falcon]

hmm hmm

interesting interesting

[loud patrol]

man i need a good guild tbh

[chrome falcon]

got tf

does rank 2 on mythic council

have a manic grieftorch

why is his guild giving him that trinket week 1

[jagged pier]

because its better on tanks

its the same damage for any spec but tanks are less likely to die

[kind fern]

Hello, new to prot warrior here, what are the best 2 spark of ingenuity items for m+ at the moment?

[loud patrol]

lariat and shield

[lusty tiger]

pins, shield(spikes embelishment), and neck

[kind fern]

thank you good people of the warrior community

[sick sentinel]

that AA 9 key i ran was so scuffed man

[bold turret]

Guys is there a easier way to log keys that individually starting a new log entry each dungeon? I always forget

[sick sentinel]

i use logger head, or i did

seperates each key

[loud patrol]

come on tell us

[sick sentinel]

we didn't have lust we wiped 2 times and ended with 1 minute ish

catasrophic failure on first and second boss but they died

[lusty tiger]

u timed it?

[sick sentinel]

barely

[lusty tiger]

we still celebrate

[loud patrol]

then u ok

[sick sentinel]

https://raider.io/mythic-plus-runs/season-df-1/2707890-9-algethar-academy

i got legs again.

[lusty tiger]

how much dps big dawg

[sick sentinel]

no dps meters, play caveman mode

unga bunga strats

[lusty tiger]

yogi you have activated my automatic report system

[vernal vale]

Man, im looking at mythic and hoping to get a look at clearing this time instead of just the few easy first bosses.

[lusty tiger]

how do u know who to flame w no dps meters

[sick sentinel]

the guy thats dead obviously

[lusty tiger]

the hunter

or dead healer

always good options

[sick sentinel]

can evo do enrage dispel

[loud patrol]

ye

[sick sentinel]

is that a one spec only deal

[lusty tiger]

i dont think anyone in a single party of mine has dispelled an enrage

[sick sentinel]

or talent or baseline or how does it work

[slim dove]

talent

[lusty tiger]

why dispel the enrage for the prot war until youre 1shot right

[wanton shale]

damn i'm a noob, didn't know evokers had a soothe lol

[slim dove]

aoe frontal zone, 2 min cd, -20sec on the cd per mob dispelled

its insane when played with well.

[sick sentinel]

my dk friend seems to think you can remove enrage as a warrior for some rason

[lusty tiger]

LOL

that is

[sick sentinel]

i mean, i wish

[lusty tiger]

the most un-warrior thing

we ARE ENRAGEd

[loud patrol]

blame the evoker for not taking it

[sick sentinel]

i think its the most warrior thing

[loud patrol]

isnt ur dk friend that dogshit person?

[lusty tiger]

^

[sick sentinel]

you dominated them so much they dropped all there rage shit

[lusty tiger]

haha

[sick sentinel]

we are both dog shit ppl

[lusty tiger]

u fought someone over runescape

i believe you

[oak ivy]

I see your conversation and raise you "Out-Enrage. Get so fuckin madge at your target they have a seat and lose their enrage effect"

ezpz

[sick sentinel]

thats exactly

see he knows the yogi ways

[oak ivy]

just look at your target like

warriors' resting bitch face should be enough to de enrage anything nearby honestly

[loud patrol]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148898720803586048/1034155553074712576/940389949742673920.gif

[oak ivy]

you are not as mad as me. sit.

[lusty tiger]

i mean- a node that makes intimidating shout dispel enrages

[oak ivy]

yes

[tender quartz]

Serious super stupid question. Do we really need to rush 4P if we're just doing low Mythic Bosses and 16's? I feel supersafe without tier now with 390 and 4P reads.. "useless". 2P sure, but 4? Or am I missing something

[lusty tiger]

i could... potentially... be on board

[oak ivy]

isnt our tier like

giga dog ass

[lusty tiger]

QoL and some extra juice on top

[tender quartz]

2P is 4% Damage Increase and 4% Reduce, 4P was just more IP through damage, right?

Unless they changed

[lusty tiger]

just read it

[tender quartz]

Just logged off am lazy :x

Will do

[oak ivy]

mini is right

revenge gets you 4%dr and damage dealt on 2p

4p is 5% of that talent that got nerfed

[sick sentinel]

im really debating going to do a raid tonight

[oak ivy]

do it coward

[sick sentinel]

like a normal one

[tender quartz]

Cause I have yet to press Shieldwall in M+ once

[sick sentinel]

sounds difficult and i didn't study any of it at all

[tender quartz]

Raid's fine and fun Yogi

For Protwarrior from my perspective imo

[sick sentinel]

raiding as a tank is my relaxing session

[oak ivy]

^^

[odd tree]

i'm not sweating over it

[sick sentinel]

if i stayed online late i could start a group with dk

[chrome falcon]

4pc is great with brutal vit

if they ever fix brutal vit

[sick sentinel]

cuz, i don't know the mechanics, and hes higher ilvl, get a carry

[oak ivy]

still stopping at 100% then just deactivating?

[cosmic lichen]

what did you spend your sparks on for prot?

[oak ivy]

Shield + Lariat, right?

[cosmic lichen]

I have a 402 shield

and a 389 weap

and the lariat

[deft vessel]

the trinkets' contribution to damge make me a bit sad 😦

razsageth normal kill on that

[mighty valley]

the embellishments seem v close now, helm and lariat have a tiny edge

[woven aurora]

Anyone know the reason behind why prot tanks are going for swords?

[mighty valley]

swords are cool

[sick sentinel]

no god damn way im doing the fire trinket if i go do the raid

dont want that stupid thing

[deft vessel]

uh, there's no particular reason to go for swords lol

just str one-handers

whatever you find

[compact jackal]

Rumbling Ruby is like 3-5% for me

[woven aurora]

so the warriors that said they go for sword cause it's better is trolling?

[deft vessel]

this teh ruby life pools one?

[compact jackal]

swords are cool

[cosmic lichen]

I did swords because im a bladesmith and can max them out

[oak ivy]

idk if this remnant of wrath remains - sword = faster = higher ppm on shield slam reset?

[sick sentinel]

im almost about to get me a cloak cuz i cant get one from anything

[compact jackal]

Ruby is from Terros

[woven aurora]

I'm crafting maces and axes, and the warriors tell me that swords do more dmg or some shit

[warm plinth]

there's no such thing as a faster weapon

[cosmic lichen]

theyre all 2.6

[deft vessel]

ah I see

[mighty valley]

are people saying wrath shit in here

[woven aurora]

So basically all the warrior are just clueless, atleast the ones that wanted crafted their weapon

[deft vessel]

I don't have that one, didn't get tier either, only got one tier piece 😭

[oak ivy]

oh cringe. used to be different speeds

[compact jackal]

use a dagger it's 1.6!!!!!!

[warm plinth]

yeah the type of weapon literally doesn't matter. As long as it has str on it, you're good

[woven aurora]

Thanks for giving the information needed

[oak ivy]

o7

[woven aurora]

now they can't deny my mace craft >:)

[deft vessel]

there is a really good sword in nokhud right now though

if you want to grind m+ for a weapon

[compact jackal]

mace > sword > axe for fashion

don't @ me

[oak ivy]

cap and a half cap and a half

sword axe mace

[mighty valley]

the actual morning star mog is great

[deft vessel]

I use fist weapons 🙃

[compact jackal]

I want a spear 1h transmog

[deft vessel]

saaame

[cosmic lichen]

so, I have a lariat, 389 weap, and 402 shield... what would you use the second spark on?

[deft vessel]

there's a tuskarr quest that has you temporariyl use a spear as a one-hander

[compact jackal]

bracers

[deft vessel]

and it looks so good

[cosmic lichen]

382 bracers

[oak ivy]

sim it

[oak ivy]

kek

[cosmic lichen]

I'm using T4 bracer

[lusty tiger]

does Revenge! count as a best served cold revenge?

[compact jackal]

I should find old bracers I can equip just to see how much the allied ones mog em

[compact jackal]

isn't Revenge! the proc that makes it cost 0 in the first place?

[oak ivy]

i think that's exactly what it counts as, right?

yea that

what morgan said

[cosmic lichen]

I have a 372 ring... is a ring worth the spark?

[compact jackal]

I need the heroic 1h & shield from the raid

then I can be blue

blue mog for a blue goat

[lusty tiger]

yes, but best served cold specifies when the proc is from parries or dodges

some magic tank slammers you cant physically block

[prisma crane]

only if you REALLY need the ilvl this minute, otherwise almost certainly no, since that really only applies to like WF raiders

[cosmic lichen]

I'm not a wf raider, im just 1/8h anmd 7/8n

[prisma crane]

save the spark

use it for something like the neck, or shield or weapon

otherwise bracers or belt

[lusty tiger]

no logs no help

[cosmic lichen]

im around 385 ilvl, i have the elemental lariat, a 389 weap anmd 402 shield

[compact jackal]

I want to be blue

[prisma crane]

change your tabard RIGHT NOW

[compact jackal]

I MUST FLEX THE WRATHFUL GLAD TABARD BY LAW

[prisma crane]

probably use on weapon then

[cosmic lichen]

Im glad i parsed a 91 tanking brood yesterday

[cosmic lichen]

have a 389 weap

[compact jackal]

yes

[prisma crane]

yea but you can get the stuff to get a 405 one fairly easily

[compact jackal]

Only person on my arena team that didn't get glad sadge

no idea how or why

[cosmic lichen]

I'm sitting on just 1 infusion

[prisma crane]

just run a bunch of 11+ keys

[compact jackal]

but in cata I gave my guild credit for having a gladiator player

[prisma crane]

at 385 they shouldnt be a problem for you

[cosmic lichen]

I did my first 11 yesterday, AA. it was rough

[prisma crane]

that is among the tougher ones

[compact jackal]

Oh, I had an AA question actually.

[prisma crane]

do CoS or SMBG and you'll find them stupid easy

[compact jackal]

You know the little rock dudes before the second boss?

[prisma crane]

tbh AA is easy too, only the tree is an issue

[cosmic lichen]

I do have THE strat for the tree boss

[edgy grail]

The birds?

[compact jackal]

Do you just dodge that giga frontal damage by walking away since they follow you if you rotate?

I remember doing a +14 and I took like 300k or some stupid number from it

[cosmic lichen]

No, just save big dps cool downs for the second add phase, ignore the tree add, except to kick, and use big defensives on the second add phase

he craters after that

[compact jackal]

oh not AA uh

AV

too many A's

[lusty tiger]

kinda need spellblockfor AV

[warm plinth]

may be fine for lower keys but you need the big add to die to clear bleed stacks on the party

[cosmic lichen]

I did this on an 11

so, thats as good as I've done

you can dispell the stacks i believe

[edgy grail]

Stand inside the healing add

[lusty tiger]

👍

[frozen lava]

Anybody here user Plater addon and know how to make the HP bars stack instead of going through each other? Love the graphics better but the clipping makes interrupting impossible sometimes

[edgy grail]

It removes the stacks people get

[warm plinth]

I'm not talking about the poison; I'm talking about the bleed

[desert lodge]

New to tanking for DF guys, mainly been DPS with side heals

What addons do you lads use for tanking? Is there any MUST HAVE to make life easier ?
Ive added a few Weak Auras already

[oak ivy]

I generally just use a class WA

[lusty tiger]

nameplate addon that shows aggro state of mobs

[edgy grail]

yes^^

[oak ivy]

ooooh not a bad idea

[edgy grail]

Also nameplate cooldowns

Yoy can see when mobs like the tidal wave will start to cast

[snow robin]

There's an option in plater caller stacking nameplates iirx

[oak ivy]

oshit

[edgy grail]

Or any ability they do

[desert lodge]

This just be the Plater Nameplates addon ?

[lusty tiger]

thats what i use

[onyx pike]

would u guys bother with the alchemy stone?

[frozen lava]

Bro I spent 40 mins looking for that, couldnt find it anywhere. Soon as I type the question and alt tab back into the game I see it in 10 seconds

[edgy grail]

Yep and a good profile ofc. I recommend this one as a good starting point. https://wago.io/n6oy9EBmv

[snow robin]

Haha God yeah it can be so tricky to find one thing.. I spent 2hrs trying to get elvui icons to spin on the gcd... just resorted to default blizz bars now 😂

[edgy grail]

Read the description

Blue mobs require kicks

Purple just need some form of CC

[lusty tiger]

im gonna try that

profile

[edgy grail]

Very good

On the left side

It shows the CD of the mobs abilities

On the right you can see dispellsble stuff like enrage

[snow robin]

I tried to use Dorkis profile for plater but I swear changing one thing in the UI feels like a new game sometimes

[edgy grail]

Yes take a bit of time

[lusty tiger]

what about my debuffs?

[edgy grail]

I changed with the new dungeons

[edgy grail]

Top

[lusty tiger]

ok nice

[loud patrol]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/algethar-academy-mythic-tips-how-to-quickly-kill-lashers-on-tree-boss-330650 nice

[lusty tiger]

ye ^

[edgy grail]

One change I did right away

Was spacing them out a bit more

But thats just me

[lusty tiger]

yea i could understand that

[toxic geyser]

How much quicker does TL make Demo come up, assuming hitting 3 targets the whole time

(On average)

[wanton shale]

wow that potion is genius! i've wiped a fair number of times on it and found focusing the adds is definitely they key and not going mongo dps trying to rush down the boss. I've done it before even having everyone focus adds down and going back to boss if they're too spread out to instant cleave. Adds some time slowing down the fight but was still enough to time a +12. Definitely gonna try that potion next go though

[compact jackal]

I should make a WA that says "Bonk!" whenever I shield bash

and "Boink!" whenever I shield charge

[sage lava]

anyone got the google doc of list of things you can spell reflect this season

[mighty valley]

it's pinned, you have to scroll down a bit

[sage lava]

ty

[small coral]

Any log specialists able to review and give suggestions?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TYQ8kZMg4JpdVHKG/#fight=178&type=damage-done

[oak ivy]

I have a tendency to "boing" on heroic leap and "bonk" on shield bash in vc and my party gets tired of it as quickly as one would imagine

[lusty grotto]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/brutal-vitality-talent-stops-working-after-hitting-ignore-pain-cap/1454691 press heart you bunch of apes

[jagged pier]

they do know about it nim

as in bliz knows

[lusty grotto]

what about battle scarred?

vet

[jagged pier]

dont know about that one

[lusty grotto]

mwahi mentioned it a while ago

apparently it calculates late or somethiing

[jagged pier]

im pretty sure it happens pre mitigation

could be wrong

[lusty grotto]

yeah something like that

i'd say that could be intended though

[odd tree]

use CDs more. avatar cd ends up being ~45s, definitely missed some casts

[jagged pier]

i havent really looked at it too much, but your blocked hits are low, and casts are low

[compact jackal]

OK, so I saw some people on R.IO using the full talents for Shockwave

I tried it and it felt awful

Why do they do it?

[jagged pier]

because big number is easier to see on meters

and most ppl cant play the spec properly

[compact jackal]

but RE/SB in exchange for no roar?

[jagged pier]

yes

[craggy pilot]

how the fk Echo has 50% more pulls on Razs when Liquid got there before them 🤔

[jagged pier]

because they u cant see the extra 15% damage to bleeds on meters

easily

u can see shockwave tho

[lusty grotto]

ok it seems BSV was fixed

i see nome's message now

screw it, time to report battle pet bugs

[tropic tangle]

Time zones.

[frozen lava]

These guys are leaders on keys. Surely has to be more than seeing numbers.

[craggy pilot]

wdym? Echo has 1 day less than Liquid

[lusty grotto]

shit isnt new, "leaders on keys" doesnt mean they know much

[craggy pilot]

so Liquid should be 1 day ahead 🤔

[lusty grotto]

we've seen top top top IO scored warriors before with shitty warrior play, shitty talents, questionable gearing decisions

it has happened time and time again

[jagged pier]

no and its super dumb yer they are ither holding shockwave to use as a stop or sending it on CD and DR mobs with there group

[frozen lava]

I've only made it to +10 atm but the extra CD reduction would be my guess on why. So many mobs need stunned/interuppted so having SW up way more is a huge benefit

[lusty grotto]

and will continue to happen

[tropic tangle]

liquid and echo killed diurna not that far apart, but the kill happened earlier in the given day for echo if I'm not mistaken?

[jagged pier]

but u dont need the extra CD reduction everyone else has a stun

[frozen lava]

Yeah but when you have to pug as much as I do, what happens is 2-3 use theirs all at once constantly

[jagged pier]

yer

so the extra CDR means nothing

because the mobs are already DR'd

and cant be stunned

[lusty grotto]

shockwave talents are a trap, my groups have been hitting DR extremely fucking fast, i even had to tell evokers to stop using their shitty deep breath stun, and shamans to stop speccing double stun

paired with DHs, WWs, etc etc DRs are a problem, and will be a problem especially on groups that arent close to being coordinated

[vernal vale]

We have intimidating to use as well. You don't need the Shockwave CD shorter. It's already short.

[jagged pier]

and shockbolt

and pummel

[lusty grotto]

and storm bolt

[vernal vale]

Shield charge

[frozen lava]

ngl I am intimidated to use intimidating cause i dont want mobs to run to others lmao

[vernal vale]

If you have if off CD at the right time

[lusty grotto]

they wont

[jagged pier]

mobs break insta

[lusty grotto]

damage will break em

[vernal vale]

Intimidating interrupts thunderclap breaks it instantly

[tropic tangle]

actually had it backward. they killed Diurna about an hour apart. Liquid got ~half a day to strategize and get some pulls in. Echo did a handful of pulls and went to bed. Echo then woke up today and have done a full day worth of prog on it.

[vernal vale]

They might walk two steps

[frozen lava]

good point, use then thunder afterwards

didnt think of that

[vernal vale]

Or revenge

Either one will install break. Plus keep in mind your dps are aoe fiends

They will break if you dont

[mighty valley]

you'd have to have the most insanely no-cleave group in the world to not break intim shout immediately

[frozen apex]

Hi, any1 has exp with shield of the heart?

[vernal vale]

Waste

[lusty grotto]

no, its garbage

[frozen apex]

proc rate ..

[lusty grotto]

2.2

ppm

[frozen apex]

oh

[vernal vale]

Low ppm with bad stats

[jagged pier]

isnt it also like 1% vers

so also just trash

[vernal vale]

Yeah, proc is bad too

[frozen lava]

So how do you guys feel about honed reflexes? You thin kits worth taking?

[lusty grotto]

and a perma embelish to boot

[sly plume]

Wowhead has thunder clap above shield slam in rotation for single target, is that accurate? Feels so wrong

[jagged pier]

in raid on ST yes

otherwise no

not at all

[lusty grotto]

you need to apply rend somehow

[jagged pier]

u have to apply rend first then its SS over TC

but tbh

just SS first

[lusty grotto]

its probably noted there somewhere

[vernal vale]

Yeah, I don't know why that would say that. SS first

It's a lot of giga threat, rage, and damage

One second later applying rend won't hurt. Plus TC has a chance to reset your slam

[sly plume]

Lol it's there. Weird. I'll keep slammin

[lusty grotto]

yeah that's odd

[modern brook]

Honestly it's probably like that so they wouldn't have to deal with wowheads dogshit rotation annotation

[lusty grotto]

im assuming he forgot to add "to apply rend"

[pseudo edge]

thats just default rotation though

[sly plume]

Only reason I can think of would be to reset avatar faster

[vernal vale]

I mean your going to use it a lot but in single target slam is better

[pseudo edge]

doesn't mention ST raid specifically

[lusty grotto]

thats not a reason

[vernal vale]

More rage from shield slam to get anger management

[lusty grotto]

yup

[sly plume]

Oh wait I meant demo shout. But still yeah its wrong

[brisk gust]

How high would you rank let say set bonus normal piece with M+ gear?

How worth is the set pieces compared to stats/ilvl

[vernal vale]

Thunderlord is a waste anyway in single target

So that's not the reason

[lusty grotto]

damekage continues to be correct

[snow robin]

For a new tank/prot player is it worth trying to swap between stances in m+? Or just sit in defensive

[lusty grotto]

sit in battle stance

[vernal vale]

Battle stance

[lusty tiger]

if my healer is complaining to me and wants me immortal do i just run https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUVUkRRARpFRRBANVUVEVBRFVYVUUCQE

[modern brook]

Smh get used to dancing now

[pseudo edge]

back on the topic of keys and Shockwave vs Thunderous Roar - say you have a group that provides no other AOE stun outside of yourself - but you have some decent dps - worth it to lose the dps from TR bleed and add in an addiiotnal AOE stun per pack roughly?

[snow robin]

You sit in battle for m+?

[slim dove]

windscar whetstone nerf when

[south zealot]

had a monk tell me the green circle from mini tree cleanses poison on algethar tree boss

[lusty grotto]

what would that group be?

[slim dove]

jesus christ

[south zealot]

[vernal vale]

Yup

[pseudo edge]

hpriest, UHdk and ret as set - floating 5th

[vernal vale]

I use it as a defensive if I need it and swap back to battle

[brisk gust]

I mean you should swap to defensive when u need it

its not hard to swap

[south zealot]

sitting battle stance is pretty risky unless you old when to swap

[lusty grotto]

you're still adding DR, UH has stuns, ret has hoj

[mighty valley]

sit in battle until you start identifying the things that hurt

[frozen lava]

I'm still gettin used to this. I sat in battle stance until +10, then got sketched out by how much damage I started taking after that

[modern brook]

There is literally 0 use case for Shockwave talents

[lusty grotto]

do you not want to stun that specific unkickable cast while hes raging? you also dont have a soothe so

[south zealot]

shockwave go brr

[fading tide]

How do m+ compare after reset harder or easier?

[mighty valley]

tyrannical is gonna be a wakeup for a lot of bosses imo

[vernal vale]

I've not pushed keys much yet but I've used defensive as a CD to help survive a few pulls I know hurt otherwise it's all battle stance.

[south zealot]

if you’re farming 2s shockwave is good burst

[lusty grotto]

sure lol

[sly plume]

Am i the only one who thinks telling a new prot warrior to sit in battle stance for keys is a bit silly lol

[lusty grotto]

its not

there's 0 reason to go D

[modern brook]

If you're farming 2s pull like you mean it and words

[lusty grotto]

if youre at that level

[snow robin]

Shockwave is great to pick up interrupts when pugging

[vernal vale]

No, proper play is more important than what stance your in

[sly plume]

Imo sit in defensive until you get a feel for when you can sit in battle stance comfortably

[lusty grotto]

no

thats horrible fucking advice

[fading tide]

What r u using if not shockwave?

[modern brook]

"Use this wheel chair until you feel like you can walk"

[mighty valley]

when you're starting out in lower keys, sitting in battle stance will let you know which mobs/casts matter faster than dstance

[vernal vale]

Exact opposite because battle stance encourages better play.

[frozen lava]

LOL

[mighty valley]

and you're so unlikely to actually die at low keys

[lusty grotto]

you learn faster by dying and failing

[modern brook]

Specifically sonic boom and rumbling earth* have no usecases

[fallow osprey]

By this logic newer players should play with less gear equipped

[south zealot]

i sit dstance on 15s+

but that’s bc i’m a pussy

[lusty tiger]

and bcuz they hurt

[modern brook]

Be in dstance as much as you need to be

[lusty grotto]

what is this fucking idiocy?

[lusty tiger]

pog advice

[modern brook]

But any more than that and ur just losing damave

[fallow osprey]

It’s your logic /shrug

[modern brook]

It's literally a 3s cd off the gcd

[lusty grotto]

its not

[modern brook]

It costs nothing

[south zealot]

i think sitting dstance if youre brand new to prot makes sense

but once u understand how your abilities work learn in battle stance

[lusty grotto]

apparently noobs start out 420'd out

who knew

[frozen lava]

I do on +10 by accident. I start in BS, get to a pack I know is gunna hurt swap to DS and then fucking forget to turn the shit off

[vernal vale]

I'd rather have people learn to use shield block, not waste rage, etc

[prisma crane]

does cleanse the bleed though

[south zealot]

ofc yeah but i already had that cleansed and the poison was at 50 stacks

[lusty grotto]

it cleanses the poison

[modern brook]

P sure it cleanses everything

[lusty grotto]

yup

[fallow osprey]

It’s just a group of individuals who are disconnected from WoW players of lower skill

[prisma crane]

ngl thundering affix is pretty ass

esp this wk with quaking

[modern brook]

Thundering is a afk check yeah

[south zealot]

i’m almost certain it doesnt but maybe in griefing

[lusty grotto]

you must be new to prot because if there's someone in this channel that speaks out for average players ITS ME

[south zealot]

i agree

[round cliff]

i like thundering

free dmg

[lusty grotto]

and i 100% think having new people sit in d stance is a fucking terrible idea

[mighty valley]

if you're engaged enough as a wow player to come to a discord, you can survive a +3 key in battle stance

[round cliff]

i wouldnt be so sure about that
some interesting characters come through these sacred halls

[frozen lava]

Quaking more annoying to me tbh, especially in dungeons not designed for it like HoV. Here sit in this tiny ass bubble to avoid boss mechanic, oh wait I cant got quaking lemme go take some damage

[brisk gust]

Almost every High Key Pusher atm has spend their Spark on the Neck + the Wrist

[prisma crane]

quaking was a thing in legion

[brisk gust]

But wowhead doesn't recommend wrist

[prisma crane]

actually quaking used to be worse in legion

[lusty grotto]

are you a high key pusher?

[mighty valley]

sure, if you're one of the legends who like... closes their eyes and walks backwards through keys, dstance probably isn't saving you

[south zealot]

quaking in halls is barely doable

even at the worst times

[brisk gust]

@lusty grotto No farming 15 atm and haven't used sparks yet

[south zealot]

enough soace about fenryr and eye of the storm circle

[lusty grotto]

then yes wowhead might be right

[south zealot]

quaking just shouldnt happen out of combat

[prisma crane]

there's so much room in most of HoV, i dont get the issue with it there

[lusty tiger]

preach brotha

[prisma crane]

i do agree with this though

[lusty grotto]

well fortunately you can eat completely through it

[lusty tiger]

now i have to wait EXTRA long for rezzes on dds

[lusty grotto]

unlike legion-bfa

[frozen lava]

There isnt room in some of the boss mechanics is the issue. Yo ucant fit in the bubble, cant al lfit behind the shield, etc

[prisma crane]

cant res through it though

[modern brook]

Just don't die 4head

[sly plume]

With 2/4 set, do we want 100% uptime on the buff?

[prisma crane]

you can fit behind the shield, and ppl stacking isnt bad if it's 2, 1, 2 or something, especially in the shield

the bubble there's plenty of room to spread

[fallow osprey]

this is the disconnect

[modern brook]

On God king?

[prisma crane]

trust me, people are WAAAAAAAAAAAAY better about spreading in quaking than they used to be back when HoV was current

[modern brook]

I'm like 90% sure the shield nullifies quaking damage

[frozen lava]

THere absolutely is not enough room to spread in bubble and take 0 damage. Someone is getting hit

[lusty grotto]

can you just state your argument? so we can address it?

[prisma crane]

literally did it yesterday

[lusty grotto]

we were talking about def stance

go on..

[prisma crane]

wasnt sure about this either, but yea, any DR makes quaking less of a problem, you still dont want to 5 stack but a 2 1 2 or a 2 3 is nbd

[sly plume]

Nim why not tell people to just take off their chest piece if they wanna learn better lol

[modern brook]

I could be wrong

I think I've done like 1 halls

[lusty grotto]

if youre so convinced that I AM disconnected from average players then at the very least make the argument for why you think sitting in def stance is a good idea for new players

[prisma crane]

guys, nim's not wrong, you can just play in battle when shit doesnt hurt, if you learn to play battle, then you know you can fall back on D when it gets actually difficult

[lusty grotto]

now youre just trolling

[lusty tiger]

hes just a noob

[modern brook]

Because taking off your equipment isn't a 13% damage amp

[lusty tiger]

trying to teach a veteran

[prisma crane]

fwiw i can see both sides, if you wanna sit D that's fine, its just building a bad habit but if the player can break that habit later then great

[neon elk]

Guys, in SBG , those bone guys and their void slash spell, do you just eat that or stun? Or try to outrange ? Sometimes i dont even feel it and sometimes it hurts af

[prisma crane]

tbh this is why i didnt want stances back for prot in the first place, its a stupid mechanic

[fallow osprey]

I think that there are a variety of WoW players of different skill and they all have room to improve. While they are working in improving, using defensive stance more liberally or talent of BSV is not such a crime as it is made out to be in this discord specifically. It is no more of a set of training wheels than doing a lower key instead of a higher one. Learning is still occurring and talents/abilities like these two can help

[lusty tiger]

sometimes they sync up- you wanna spell reflect, lemme ck if spellblock works

[lusty grotto]

learning is easier if you make mistakes

[prisma crane]

people come into this discord to learn to play properly though, not to learn to bruteforce through stuff

[lusty grotto]

putting def stance on permanently avoids some of those mistakes

[vernal vale]

Kite it, spell reflect reduces damage, shield wall

[lusty grotto]

it promotes bad play

[fallow osprey]

These are exaggerations and hyperbole

[frozen lava]

Damn is it that bad in higher keys to have to SW it?

[lusty grotto]

so are the arguments of taking off gear

[mighty valley]

if they overlap it hurts real bad

stunning one is a good call

[lusty grotto]

in fact those are even way more absurd

[uneven mason]

Sense never made mistakes, theyt were born with a+20 key in their diaper

[prisma crane]

so is saying to take off gear

[sly plume]

I get what your saying but then by that argument you should take off gear so your mistakes are more punishing so you learn better

[modern brook]

Smh

[lusty grotto]

please practice what you preach

[final gust]

such a pointless argument lmao

[lusty tiger]

yes- it is spellblockable (the reflect is for the %dr, not because you can actually immune/reflect it)

[mighty valley]

defensive stance is a tool you should learn to use, taking off your gear is not a tool you should learn to use

[vernal vale]

It can be, but also anger management means we have shield wall a lot. I rarely find a place I want it and don't have it throwing it very liberally

[neon elk]

Yea i usualy try to SR, and stun just wanted to know how people deal with it

[modern brook]

This argument willfully ignores the entire point of stance dancing

If you want to sit in dstance go for it

No one cares

[craggy pilot]

4 normal bosses down in 1 week 🤔 how would you rank such a guild?

[fallow osprey]

Oh people care, lmao

[modern brook]

But it's not the best way to play the spec

[lusty tiger]

poop tier

[prisma crane]

fwiw @fallow osprey the fact that us, a group who argues over dumb shit is almost entirely in lockstep on this should tell you something here

[jagged pier]

An normal progression guild

[sly plume]

Lol i just think the argument is funny, learning how to stance dance is great, just don't think we should promote sitting in battle stance to new players

[craggy pilot]

we are a HC prog guild though 🤣

[jagged pier]

Eh i guess thats okay

[uneven mason]

Why not start with heroic

[jagged pier]

If u get aitc by end of the season

[craggy pilot]

always Normal is a hassle to get through, because we have open raid for normal, and then we have smaller grp for HC

[prisma crane]

if you are someone who doesnt have any interest in playing better and just wants to get by, then yes, sitting D stance is fine

[jagged pier]

Ikarikaze hc is their mythic

Would be dumb ti start with hc

[craggy pilot]

people have shit gear, and play mainly the raid, and gear up through Vault

[uneven mason]

Ugg

[lusty tiger]

poop tier

[vernal vale]

This too be honest.
I defensive stance the final pull in jade serpent because it fucking hurts. It's really good to use there as a help to survive. Then it's back to battle stance for boss

[prisma crane]

agreed

[final gust]

elitist moment

[mighty valley]

a lot of new prot warriors assume dstance is "the tanking stance" so it's helpful to hear from us that since damage intake is variable, being in bstance a lot is smart

[vernal vale]

Honestly a normal guild. This is the first time I've cleared normal in week 1 of a tier since MoP

[lusty grotto]

defensive stance is a DR, this isnt vanilla, or any flavor of classic where it was required for threat -- it's an "oh shit" button to press

[craggy pilot]

5/18 people have >380 ilvl

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2ahmvkpt6XnKzxBR/#fight=11&type=damage-done

we have people below 350 ilvl

🤔

[frozen lava]

That was me 100%. Then I turned the TL stream on and saw the guy doing a +17 sitting in battle stance and said if this fucker is in BS in a +17 then clealry I'm doing something wrong

[wide charm]

how can we dodge the antihealing on 3rd boss of TJS ?

[lusty grotto]

you dont

[mighty valley]

any guild is fine if it's going at your pace, if you're going to get annoyed at the guild because you want to go faster then it's fine to look for another guild

[lusty grotto]

you take that like a man with CDs like wall/spell block

and cough defensive stance

[craggy pilot]

i mainly play the game for M+ though, Raid is just a side thing for me

[oak ivy]

wh- how

[lusty grotto]

along with spell reflect

[vernal vale]

Pay attention to conversations from the better players here you will improve trust me.

[craggy pilot]

but man, 2 bosses in 3 hours feels kinda sadge

[prisma crane]

our kit is very strong for most dmg in keys

[fallow osprey]

The nuance that has come about cuz of this argument is better than what is usually posted and I appreciate it

[prisma crane]

plus lets be real, they also have a lot of gear

[vernal vale]

Yeah it can feel that way.

[prisma crane]

fwiw if those 3 hours all raiders are enjoying themselves i'd consider it a success

[magic seal]

How you fellas feeling about the shockwave talents

[craggy pilot]

oh well, back to prot keys

[prisma crane]

we dont

[vernal vale]

Not actually good

[magic seal]

Noticed a couple of the highest keys warriors running them

[mighty valley]

not good, take shockwave and neither of the cappers

[frozen lava]

Yeah this is why I don't raid. I just can't commit to 3+ hours on a schedule every week. Way too much stuff going on in life to do it, but I would love it

[jagged pier]

Then it might be time ti fine a faster hc prog guild or a couple of boss mythic guild

[uneven mason]

I enjoy pressing the button

[magic seal]

Interesting

A couple of the +20s I've seen the tanks been running them

[prisma crane]

@magic seal it's not that it's bad, it's that it would cost points in something better

[magic seal]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DARAURUUUgRVERpFBQBQBBNVUVEVFUFVYVUQCBE

like so

[uneven mason]

It hits for 50k and has a quick CD

[craggy pilot]

fking get this thought every single patch, but i been in this guild for like 5+ years :<

[magic seal]

dropping thunderous roar basiclly

[limpid anchor]

but its overall still less dps

[jagged pier]

The talents are a trap, albeit fine to play in lower content. But using a stop as a damage cd is very bad practice

[mighty valley]

there's always top key runners that are overall good players in good teams and just not informed on what's optimal

[jagged pier]

Its actually also less damage than TR build

Just as an fyi

[magic seal]

I mean this was the top run so far

[modern brook]

I feel Shockwave talents js gunna be the new leech

[prisma crane]

doesnt mean they were correct

[lusty grotto]

top run with what ilvl weapons?

top runs where

[magic seal]

405

[lusty grotto]

aha

[limpid anchor]

but look at the people who are top runners

[jagged pier]

Just because ppl are using it doesnt mean its correct half of SLs the best io warriors couldnt keep SB up

[lusty grotto]

do you understand how that factors in?

[limpid anchor]

just bcs they run high keys doesnt mean they know the class

[magic seal]

https://mplus.subcreation.net/compositions-fortified-raging-quaking-thundering.html

[uneven mason]

Top runners are notorious for running builds that are suboptimal

[lusty grotto]

im afraid of opening that link so

[jagged pier]

All u need for top keys

Is a group

[lusty grotto]

ima leave that blue

[oak ivy]

it.. it's subcreation..

[prisma crane]

@lusty grotto it's safe

[mighty valley]

top runners are just the ones that have put the time and practice in with a dedicated group

[modern brook]

I think thays the point?

Iunno

[mighty valley]

(which is also more evidence that your play is more important than optimal talents/stats/whatever)

[jagged pier]

Yes ppl live an die by it

[prisma crane]

its just a basic UI thing pulling from Rio

[lusty grotto]

i have no idea what the fuck subcreation is

[prisma crane]

it's just a web host

[oak ivy]

was remarking at nim's "afraid of link"

[modern brook]

Oh nevermind then nims justa boomer

[oak ivy]

yepcock

[jagged pier]

Do u know why they are running shockwave build?

[lusty grotto]

of course i am

[prisma crane]

like io etc

[magic seal]

no thats why I ask lmao

[jagged pier]

Its because it shows on the meter thats literally it

They go oh look shockwave did damage

Ever tho tr and capstones is more more u just dont see it.

U also dont dr mobs

[blazing condor]

I played the crit shockwave talent in first week m0s for fun

[limpid anchor]

but roar also shows on meter :<

[blazing condor]

Big burst

Bad overall

[modern brook]

Nice hat

[prisma crane]

man... if you let the roar's bleeds full tick it's a fuckton of dmg

[blazing condor]

Thanks i put it on in ms paint myself 🙂

[lusty tiger]

roar is beastly

[magic seal]

my guess was having a stop on every pull but 40 vs. 25 didn't seem worth it

[modern brook]

Its very professional

[jagged pier]

I mean all u need to do is look at mythic council if shockwave was better for aoe we would all be using it on that fight

[modern brook]

It's not. Especially with rogue monk in your dps

[jagged pier]

40s is evry pull anyway in higher content

[lusty grotto]

so wait did i come back from my 2 day hiatus to ye olde "top dog uses talent so it must be good" part of the expansion or has this been going on longer than that?

[modern brook]

It's wow bro

It literally never stops

[magic seal]

That was my thought to dude. Chill a bit

[jagged pier]

And reducing the cdr can overlap it with other classes stuff so mobs cant be stunned very easily

[strong forum]

its overall not a dmg gain

especially in single target

and youll just perma DR your packs for no reason

[lusty grotto]

of course

[prisma crane]

so many classes have stuns too

[strong forum]

its bad in practice

[jagged pier]

If u want to play it tho

We cant stop u

🤷

[strong forum]

it does almost equal dmg to TR

but its just bad practice to Shockwave on CD for the sake of damage

[lusty grotto]

kinda feels like this will be one of those things we need a trigger for

[magic seal]

Maybe the comp neaded it, but they have a monk and enh so who knows

[modern brook]

There is no ire directed at you. It can be frustrating answering the same q every 3 hours or so

[lusty grotto]

and a bot that slaps

[modern brook]

Monk enh rogue probably didn't need more stuns yeah lol

[prisma crane]

what if it turned it into a knock up rather than a stun? then perhaps it could be cool

though i'd still think you'd want to not use on CD

[jagged pier]

I have a feeling they dont use it on cd u know i reckon they do hold it but they are like we big dam button cause meters tell me

[prisma crane]

also, on a related note, i feel that ALL forms of CC should be off GCD, fuck i hate stuff like fear and stuns on GCD

[jagged pier]

Yes

[modern brook]

You'd still be sacrificing a damage talent with more throughput to no longer be able to use your cc as cc

[strong forum]

ya i think that aswell jakey

they dont even use it on CD for damage

[jagged pier]

So even more worthless to take cap stones

:nodders:

[prisma crane]

sure but it's no longer competing against other stuns, which has appeal

[modern brook]

I guess

[strong forum]

you still play shockwave

just not the capstones

[modern brook]

I'd rather just do more damage and have a stun

[lusty grotto]

remember when nerf had all leech and people came in here in like lEeCh bEtTeR tHaN iLvL aNd StAtS rIgHt? Pepperidge farm remembers

[modern brook]

With words + no cap

[strong forum]

it just turned into vers

[prisma crane]

i'd rather they just add the functionality to TR to make it like the NF AA

[lusty grotto]

ya i remember that too

[jagged pier]

I left my guild of 7 years last expansion 🤷 if u gotta go u gotta go

[strong forum]

and leech stacking was alot more tolerable than vers stacking memes

[modern brook]

💬 🚫 🧢

[craggy pilot]

sheesh

[vernal vale]

I left a guild in season 3 of SL even though I had friends in there from a decade of this game. Sometimes moving on is the play

[blazing condor]

My friends left me

[modern brook]

Owned + ratio

[prisma crane]

tbh it really sucks at first but you'll be happier for it

if you had good friends in the guild they'll still be your friends and run with you outside of raiding

[blazing condor]

More like disowned

[jagged pier]

Still dont know why ppl rate him couldnt keep banner up or sb S3 or Sr of Sls couldnt keep dancing rune up ither.

[jagged pier]

U quit

[blazing condor]

True

Lost all momentum now im noob again

Was fun whilst i lasted

[lusty grotto]

cant wait till top dogs start logging off with bogus ass talents lmao

[blazing condor]

Also nerf is just in a good group he doesnt really excel at any class

He knows m+

[jagged pier]

I still talk and play games with them all the time and if the guild is still there when i want to go back to more cas stuff ill go back there. It just wasnt what i wanted anymore at the time

[lusty grotto]

yeah we know, its just an example similar to this whole shockwave talents thing

[scarlet vault]

Hello, does it matter if i craft a one hand mace or sword?

[prisma crane]

plus, ppl dont think about the fact that at the top level sometimes these guys make weird talent choices that are their own comp and player specific choices, doesnt mean they're the best but means it works for what they're trying to do

[swift bay]

It's Manic that worth on protection warrior ? or should i pursue another trinket?

[lusty grotto]

its gonna create a lot of juicy, yet unfortunately cliche, drama

[prisma crane]

nope

[jagged pier]

No

[jagged pier]

What trinket?

[prisma crane]

the mortar one from spider lady

brood lady*

[jagged pier]

Link

[strong forum]

nerf is currently in pvp build

[jagged pier]

Of grieftorch

[prisma crane]

yea

[swift bay]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=194308/manic-grieftorch?bonus=7979

[jagged pier]

Its bis

Giga bis

[prisma crane]

extra bis if you pug lmao

[jagged pier]

After all totem

[modern brook]

Pvp talents bis????

[lusty grotto]

[strong forum]

im not joking

hes full pvp build + gear

[prisma crane]

that's another thing to consider

that ppl dont bother to check

[jagged pier]

Full vers pog

[mint dove]

so I crafted a weapon recently with the bleed embellishment, but I've noticed that the dmg value seems to be different when i open different people's armories who also wear it, is there some scaling with something? or is it because of different ranks of the embellish used to craft?

[blazing condor]

Those world quests gonna be a breeze for him

[modern brook]

I velieve different ranks of the embellishment do different damages

[strong forum]

nah

[prisma crane]

after playing a bit of prot in pvp, i genuinely think crit may be better than vers if we can manage it somehow on our gear

[swift bay]

ok because we actually did drop one today and everyone think i'm trolling for rolling on it

[modern brook]

I'm wrong apparently

[strong forum]

different rank of embellishements is just change in difficulty

[jagged pier]

Tldr crit is / may be better in pve 🤫

[prisma crane]

we do so much dmg but lack a lot of burst outside of SC

[modern brook]

I don't understand the crafting system sorry for tryijg

It works that way with potions so I just assumed

[prisma crane]

well this is also true lol

[urban portal]

Crit is the worst stat vs magic damage is the main argument against it

[prisma crane]

but i just mean putting on the pressure in pvp

[urban portal]

Every other stat does something vs magic

[prisma crane]

constant dmg is only good if you plan to rot

[strong forum]

in pvp instant dmg is what you want

[urban portal]

If we talking pve

[prisma crane]

which i guess we're built for but w/e

[strong forum]

so shockwave is 100% the play there

[jagged pier]

But magic is never the main damage u take in keys

Its all melee

[prisma crane]

yea

[mint dove]

yeah I assumed this too since it works like that for all others but almost had me worried since the crafter I used said r2 was fine but somehow my value is higher than what I see on armories lmao

[jagged pier]

Crit stops alot of that

[strong forum]

ilvl matters

my armor spikes are also probably higher than most peoples in here

simply cuz its 418 ilvl

[craggy pilot]

isnt the armor spikes dmg based on vers or something?

[jagged pier]

Eh?

[strong forum]

que?

[craggy pilot]

or attack power i mean

[mint dove]

oh you have spiked

[craggy pilot]

similar to a lot of other embellishments

[jagged pier]

Que?

[mint dove]

but if i compare this one for example with benw

it's lower on his somehow

idk if that's armory shenanigans vs ingame or sth

[prisma crane]

armory

[strong forum]

cuz oyu look at armory vs ingame

[prisma crane]

probably base tooltip

[mint dove]

makes sense

[prisma crane]

look at your own in armory

[strong forum]

armor is base tooltip, like krotos says

[mint dove]

no my armory is somehow higher lmao

[prisma crane]

basic blizz smh

[craggy pilot]

fx my Flamethrower (tinket socket) dmg is based on Vers 🤔 no clue why

[strong forum]

all dmg procs

scale with vers

all items that do dmg, scale with vers

[prisma crane]

yea i mean vers is just a straight multi

[strong forum]

thats normal

[prisma crane]

the most basic of math

[modern brook]

Adding

[prisma crane]

as in one step, not foundational lol

plus anything using absolute numbers in wow i feel gets more complicated than just multi because then order matters

[craggy pilot]

man i should have gotten a wep

guess ill do it next week

[jagged pier]

2 weeks

[prisma crane]

just loot one 4head

[jagged pier]

We get a spark every 2 weeks

[prisma crane]

well its a week from tomorrow

so basically a wk

NA at least

[jagged pier]

Have 415 wep and sheild already

🤫

[craggy pilot]

oh ye 2 weeks

tru

[craggy pilot]

why not 418?

[prisma crane]

raid loot

[jagged pier]

Cause they arent crafted

[craggy pilot]

sad

[agile condor]

hey is guide for prot up to date on iv and wowhead

[mint dove]

my frost dks got the weapon from mythic

[craggy pilot]

i just need to push some 16s then i can make my shield 418

[magic seal]

Are you guys actually using Intimidating shout? I feel like I never press it.

[jagged pier]

Yes

Its a great stop

Just something to get used too

[magic seal]

I'm guessin on solo mobs?

[jagged pier]

No

[prisma crane]

it's finally useful again, since practically everything in SL was immune to it

[magic seal]

The fear scares me haha

[jagged pier]

I still pressed it in SLs

[mighty valley]

the fear breaks immediately

with like any dmg

[magic seal]

oh shit

[craggy pilot]

the fear is gone in a split second

cus people AOE

[prisma crane]

oh i did too, but its nice that it works better now

[magic seal]

that is good to know

[craggy pilot]

does the fear even remove bleeds or something?

[prisma crane]

no

you're thinking of some talented CCs in pvp

[modern brook]

Huh?

[magic seal]

I've literally been avoiding it lol

[mighty valley]

is that maybe a pvp talent or something

[modern brook]

I don't get why int shout would clear bleeds

[prisma crane]

cuz some other CCs in pvp can do it

iirc

[mighty valley]

there's been... something that exists in the game where a damage-broken cc will clear dots

so it's less likely to break immediately

[prisma crane]

^

[mighty valley]

anyway this is a whisper of a memory to me

[modern brook]

I think poly does that

Idk

Pvp is for dweebs

[prisma crane]

it's relegated to pvp stuff now

fwiw pvp is in a great spot atm

gearing is fantastic

[lusty grotto]

yeah i agree

i like the change overall

[modern brook]

I've heard but tbh if I'm pvping the rest of the game has failed

[mighty valley]

ohhhh bullfango is piping

[lusty grotto]

and btw no, fear does not remove bleed

[modern brook]

Known piper btw

[prisma crane]

that's ok, if it's not for you it's not for you

[lusty grotto]

incap/imprison/sheep used to

[modern brook]

Is arms good in pvprn?

[lusty grotto]

blind as well

[prisma crane]

pvp makes me simultaneously very hyped and extremely pissed off, all seconds apart

[lusty grotto]

arms does well

[prisma crane]

its very emotional

[vernal vale]

@strong forum you using howling rune or sharpening stone?

[lusty grotto]

arms is very bursty

[rancid iris]

what type of buff have you all been taking with the Ruby whelp shell

[lusty grotto]

but most mongos are going fury

[modern brook]

I only like arms pvp

Because big sword

[strong forum]

howling

[prisma crane]

dmg

[slim dove]

ive seen some GIGA pumper arms wars

love seein it

auto invite from me

[vernal vale]

Same, was just wondering if I was in good company. 👍

On another note the guild where I was told not to shield slam has a new tank who's playing warrior.

[lusty grotto]

lmao

you were told not to shield slam?

[vernal vale]

Wondering if they are telling him how to incorrectly play prot warrior too.

[prisma crane]

i wanna know the logic

im genuinely super intrigued

[lusty grotto]

for some reason i dont find it surprising

[median tulip]

What.

[vernal vale]

Oh yeah, that was during sepulcher. Let's just say I was taking threat off the prot pally who was playing pally 100% wrong and it was my fault.

[lusty grotto]

OH

LOL

[prisma crane]

i had a feeling it was something threat related

[lusty grotto]

ahahaha

[strong forum]

[median tulip]

Ahhhh

[agile condor]

How frequently you stance dance in m+ as prot

[vernal vale]

Nom might remember that since I blew up this discord for an entire day.

[lusty grotto]

depends on your key level

[strong forum]

stance dancing is the highest skill expression for pwar

[prisma crane]

i can see myself telling someone to do that, but with the caveat of like "i know it's bad, im working with the pally, but in teh meantime, please work with me on this"

[median tulip]

I don't understand Pally tanking, but then I don't try and raid tank as it, so...

[strong forum]

in most of my 17/18s ive only used D-stance for about 3-7% of a key

almost sit in b-stance exclusively

[craggy pilot]

how is this dragonriding literally bugging every time you enter dungeon with it

[vernal vale]

On dangerous packs only

[agile condor]

Havent started yet ive been kinda late in exp :/ but now gearing up war so better safe than sorry

[craggy pilot]

just had dragonriding abilities on my bar while not dragonriding like wtf

[lusty grotto]

then dont

[craggy pilot]

couldnt see any CDs :<

[prisma crane]

he said it was a bug

[median tulip]

So far the only things I DStance for are the last pull in Temple and the second set of adds on the tree in Academy

[frozen lava]

There is a 30% chance when I log on and I'm on my moutn, the moment I try to fly up I get DCed

[prisma crane]

my gf's dragon riding bars reset every time she logs in, have to replace them

[daring current]

i just sit in bstance vs bosses till im like 50% hp then go back to dstance

noob strats

[craggy pilot]

love getting blamed after healer gets oneshot like this ❤️

[craggy pilot]

there is 30% chance when im dragonriding if i open BS window, i get DC 🤣

[daring current]

btw what dungeons should we take spell block on?

[lusty grotto]

temple

[daring current]

temple of the jade serpent seems like one

[lusty grotto]

RLP might be okayish for it

[vernal vale]

I'm not taking spell block at all yet. Just rotating the cds I've got

[oak ivy]

noononno my strat is noob strat: never leave dstance except for bosses bc i am extraordinarily lazy and just want to get hit in the face and have my job done as a tank. im not doin keys where my dps matters yet

[craggy pilot]

what do we drop for Spell Block?

[lusty grotto]

TaN

[prisma crane]

spikes

[lusty grotto]

literally just swap the choice node

[craggy pilot]

oh ye its in the node 🤦

[prisma crane]

bing bang boom you got spell block

[median tulip]

I enjoy outdpsing the DPS on spicy AoE pulls

[vernal vale]

Spikes does okay damage but it's not game breaking.

[prisma crane]

now give me my reflective plating talent dammit

[vernal vale]

Likewise

[oak ivy]

that's always fun

[prisma crane]

can i just add that the bat in miniboss for CoS spawns FAR too often?

[median tulip]

I also enjoy the CRUNCH noise Shield Charge makes when I avatar are hit a pack like a wrecking ball

[daring current]

is spell block the only real talent that we swap based on dungeon

cant see anything on wowhead besides that

[lusty grotto]

no

[frozen lava]

100%. To the point at first we thought we were supposed to ignore it because it literally respawns as soon as it dies

[lusty grotto]

i go aegis also for TJS

[median tulip]

The fear immune

[lusty grotto]

so basically those 2