protection

[ionic fern]

If they give me any.

[modern brook]

Then don't run it :^)

[lucid cloak]

just watch mob and sidestep

[craggy pilot]

yogi timing +2 shows it pretty well ❤️

[paper coral]

BUT I LIKE THE STUN lmao. it was fucking monstrous when I did my cobalt farm.

[modern brook]

It's not like Shockwave makes/breaks the spec

[onyx matrix]

True, ive seen 0 tier drops yet xD.

[modern brook]

Then run it lol

You have like 4 ish spare points to do what you want with

[ionic fern]

Oh, i've seen plenty.

But tanks are last in loot priority.

[sick sentinel]

algethar 9

[onyx matrix]

Oof

[sick sentinel]

we meet again tree boss

[paper coral]

I think tanks should be last until they need the gear to do their jobs, then they should be first

but i'm weird.

[rough egret]

hey guys do you know whats the fastest way to lvl up? 😄

second char

[paper coral]

There's a 2 hour leveling guide oin reddit. It still works pretty well. Or you can buy a shitload of fish and do it that way.

but thats crazy expensive.

[sick sentinel]

"don't stand in that" they said

when i told them died to 307 k whatever

[plush tendon]

Naw, tanks are first cause I want lootz

Or better yet, just have 3 plate wearers in your raid

[onyx matrix]

😉

[plush tendon]

Cause everyone decided to roll Monk, Rogue, and Dragon

[onyx matrix]

Yeah, lame classes.

[uneven mason]

anygood?

[plush tendon]

its aight

nothing to write home to mom about though

[zealous willow]

any bis list for spark crafting gean ?

gear*

[plush tendon]

whatever you want

[lucid cloak]

pins

[plush tendon]

and Pins

[craggy pilot]

yoooo i can block during flamethrower ❤️ @plush tendon

[plush tendon]

That makes it good

[paper coral]

Yeah, somebody in here found that out. How much damage is that?

[sick sentinel]

its meh, because, if you cant force it to go off early by hitting max stacks, you are forced fo wait the full 20 seconds buff

[craggy pilot]

80-90k on 1 target for me currently

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[craggy pilot]

but its uncapped

[paper coral]

Thats purty good.

[craggy pilot]

so massive dmg on more targets

[sick sentinel]

its better than other trinkets, but its not that greatest either

[craggy pilot]

but it shares CD with combat potions etc

[paper coral]

I need to go eng. I did BS, i'm not sure why cause I didn't need anything from it.

little disappointed lol

[craggy pilot]

people in Arms saying i can bladestorm + flamethrower together 😄

[plush tendon]

now thats epic

[sick sentinel]

the only combat potion i use is a health potion

[craggy pilot]

i hope the fire goes forward always though

[plush tendon]

I hope it doesnt

[craggy pilot]

because then i lose 0 globals ❤️

plus get full dmg

[plush tendon]

I want to make a fire tornado

[craggy pilot]

ill try to do it onthe 5 target dummies now

[sick sentinel]

this week feels super free up to a point for me

[stark jewel]

im not sure if this was talked about before, but is there a case for battering ram instead of thunderlord in m+?

[sick sentinel]

if i wanted to, i could push endlessly towards 15's 20 prog

[jagged pier]

yes

[stark jewel]

I think I'll try that out

im not a huge fan of desyncing demo shout

and battering ram seems huge on bosses/lower target count dungeons

[craggy pilot]

desyncing from what?

[inland mesa]

17 ruby life pools would like to talk to you about being "free"

[stark jewel]

SC

TR

[plush tendon]

the double quacking on last boss

Every healer I've done that key with has gotten so frustrated and tilted

but then we head back to Shadowmoon and they feel better 🙂

[inland mesa]

The elemental one shotting people, while I just stay alive and they run back XD

[tender quartz]

Ofc shockwave is perfect for pugs but I was trying to find a more damage oriented build. I assume Ben runs guildintern too eh? Thats why I took shout at least instead of Shockwave cause I Pug but eh

[zealous willow]

haste / master better than haste/versa ?

[modern brook]

1. 
2. no
3. ilvl >all

[paper coral]

I dunno what Ben runs specifically, I just noticed no shockwave since thats one of the abilities I find the most fun. I feel like a dungeon boss lol.

[inland mesa]

We got our 17 from a smbg 2 chest at 15

[paper coral]

Ilvl > all unless it's against the cobalt assembly rings which are a special case and are the exception that proves the rule.

[lusty tiger]

I tried a +11 rlp with all melee and it is impossible w quaking. The second boss that is- there is never a safe spot to stand because quaking, thundering, and molten boulders

[plush tendon]

Shadowmoon is bae

except that one untimed 15

[craggy pilot]

damn you inted that untimed 15

[modern brook]

We literally just complete dead keys hoping for a SMB to 3 chest

[craggy pilot]

maybe if you had Flamethrower

[plush tendon]

we fucked up 1st boss

[inland mesa]

We got nothing but temple, azure, halls keys

[plush tendon]

seeing if we had to kill the add

[edgy grail]

Not true tbh you just need to move far and bait the frontal properly

[craggy pilot]

i get literally only Halls and RLP

[edgy grail]

Ofc pugs don’t know what to do

[lusty tiger]

Ok so just let the ad cast the aoe

[edgy grail]

Zzzz

After you kill the add move far so you have room

[lusty tiger]

It’s not the frontal, but the molten Boulder

Ok

[inland mesa]

I think I caped at 1580 score for the week. Need to travel today, my academy is only a 12 everything else 15s. Don't know if I'll get back in time to do a higher academy

[lusty tiger]

When 4 people are on the ad- the Boulder comes to it

[modern brook]

We do RLP w/ 4 melee

its not fun

but its doable

[lusty tiger]

How do u handle boulders

[modern brook]

the hardest part of RLP is the dragons

positioning4 head :^)

i wouldnt expect a pug to be able to do it

[edgy grail]

I literally just explained it

You bait them

[lusty tiger]

Tbf 2 melee were pugs that run

[edgy grail]

To one side of the mob

And then go to the other aide and keep attacking

[modern brook]

the boulder is always directed at someone so we sorta like loose stack between the boss and the lava

and then do what daniel said

[lusty tiger]

How do you know who’s getting the Boulder

[inland mesa]

Running the classic restoration druid off spec healer since our healers don't seem to play the game, dk, dps warrior playing arms, warlock. >.> meta team

[modern brook]

kill add, move for space

etc

[edgy grail]

You don’t know

[modern brook]

its random, we just loose stack

[edgy grail]

Everyone needs to bait

It’s like lord of dread

You don’t know who is getting targeted

But everyone baits

[lusty tiger]

Right

[slim dove]

oh thats simple

[lusty tiger]

But also quaking

[slim dove]

ty @edgy grail

[inland mesa]

Our dk is doing something wrong too as I kept being too close to him for comfort on dps

[lusty tiger]

Making stacking for bait not ez

[modern brook]

yeah just dont get quaked

[lusty tiger]

Oh tru

But that kept happening

[slim dove]

you dont stack stack

just everyone stay on same side of boss that the add died on

[modern brook]

hang on i can draw the football play

[edgy grail]

Yea I call quaking out on some bosses like that

And like first boss temple too

[slim dove]

so you can rotate around room easy

[craggy pilot]

@plush tendon 430k on 5 targets with Flamethrower

[edgy grail]

Its an easy call and helps a lot

[slim dove]

"loosely" stack as he put it.

[plush tendon]

yea, thats big damage

Flamethrower BiS for treeboss now

[edgy grail]

And yea quaking each other is not a big deal

As long as its not everyone

But if 2 people quake

[lusty tiger]

But why are the boulders 1shot fortified

[edgy grail]

You wont die

[craggy pilot]

i need to get the Rank 3 though, this one has 6 sec cast time :<

[edgy grail]

Because it’s such an obvious attack

You deserve to die if you get hit

[craggy pilot]

that means 430k is 70k dps on 5 target 🤔

[lusty tiger]

Well- moving out of thundering stun

[modern brook]

greens the healer, black is dps, red is tank, blue is boss (i had the wrong brush sorry)

[plush tendon]

I want to check to see what high quality bracers does

im pretty sure its cast time

but I was told cast time

[lusty tiger]

Yea this is what I was thinking

[craggy pilot]

hmm they all say 6 sec 🤔

[edgy grail]

With melee

[plush tendon]

so what does quality do?

[modern brook]

sometimes the meatball gets gimmicked from quaking

[edgy grail]

You can run far and give yourself room

[craggy pilot]

wouldnt you wanna rotate the other way, in case you skipped Flameshitdragonface

[edgy grail]

Since dps loss should be minimal

[modern brook]

sure but im right handed

so i drew it that way

there much better

[slim dove]

you go left at top to skip flamegullet right

[lusty tiger]

Hah yeah

[craggy pilot]

😄

[slim dove]

or w/e the fire dragon is

[plush tendon]

These are some bob ross drawings

[lusty tiger]

Ye we keep trying to skip him lol

[modern brook]

We just kill em tbh

they're not that bad

esp when they arent fortified next week

[lean gale]

Neck or helmet my prot people

[modern brook]

the thing people die to is them getting pulled unexpectedly cause their pat is so fucking stupid

[slim dove]

yeah this fucked my 13 rlp

happened twice

ontop of our evoker not knowing he could soothe (or being talented into it)

[modern brook]

honestly RLP is a pretty easy dungeon once the general public catches up to understanding how to deal with them and what needs to be stunned on that trash

[craggy pilot]

the last boss is insane though

dunno how to not get fire all over the place

but maybe its just cus i always focus the guy over the dragon

heard the play is to focus the dragon, even in P1

[analog burrow]

I agree

Always hit dragon

No matter what. Then when they come together lust and burn

[modern brook]

the dragon is the enrage timer tbh

focusing the dude just makes hitting the dragon easier

[plush tendon]

Ive only done 1 RLP

we've been... avoiding that dungeon

Been in a rotation of Shadowmoon->Court->Halls->Academy. Rinse and repeat

[modern brook]

IDK even Temple isnt that bad if you're in a coordinated group

but Temple and RLP def feel like the two outliers in difficulty

with vault takinga n honorable mention soley because the last boss is toxic

[plush tendon]

NO can be tough in the storm area

[modern brook]

NO is a shit dungeon

and we dont talk about it

[slim dove]

[plush tendon]

and Vault... well Vault at least the last boss doesnt get a scaling damage increase everytime the debuff falls off

anymore

[modern brook]

the slow needs to be reduced or one mechanic removed imo

theres just too much

[plush tendon]

Really?

Ive only done a 8 Azure though(again, avoiding that dungeon)

But I felt like you just bring her over to one wall, post up and GG

[modern brook]

MAybe; we've only done like 2

[edgy grail]

You use avatar to remove the debuff

Healer can spell it too

[plush tendon]

I thought the real wall was the second boss

doing lots of damage

[modern brook]

isnt 2nd boss damage like entirely avoidable?

[slim dove]

during intermission she pulses unavoidable aoe damage iirc

[plush tendon]

pulsing aoe when the adds come up

[foggy loom]

Every time balls come out

More damage

[modern brook]

we've been pulling last pack of the room into her

[fallow osprey]

do those arcane bubbles actually follow you or have i been getting unlucky

[foggy loom]

Did a no leaver 15 in azure

Was hilarious

[modern brook]

on last boss yeah

[fallow osprey]

ok thx

[fair stump]

How do you deal with those following balls, I’ve been having a hard ass time

[modern brook]

leap

"walk out of them 4head"

avatar clears the slow, that can help

you can have a dps bait a couple a way from you

[fair stump]

Leap and avatar “should” be enough

[modern brook]

yeah by the time they become an issue the fights nearing the end

[fair stump]

Is there enough time to pop avatar at the start of the fight and it be back up for that?

[fallow osprey]

probably, especially if you use leap for the first time you need to avoid them

[modern brook]

most fights in the 13-15 range for us have been lasting ~2-3 minutes

so yeah

[cinder storm]

use shards to charge out of the way of the ball as another method

[modern brook]

in theory intervene could be taken as a tech for that fight

[fair stump]

Maybe for like super high keys it might be the only way

[glacial monolith]

Quick question is Punsih Aoe? Tooltip says "reduces enemies damage against you" but only applies to 1 target

[slim dove]

its not aoe.

[glacial monolith]

ok ty

[fair stump]

Can you apply it to multiple targets?

[sand drum]

what dungs would you guys consider to play spell block in ?

[modern brook]

yes

there isnt a relevent gain to do so

just focus on the prio target with it

[modern brook]

probably temple? ihavent considered spell block yet

[rough egret]

Thanks 🙂

[sick sentinel]

how is DH tank fairing these days

[plush tendon]

Seems fine

good damage, feels a bit squishy, but great util

Still a bit too early to cast judgement on any class/spec; gotta see if there are any further changes to dungeons/specs

[craggy pilot]

@plush tendon omfg it worked with bladestorm 🤣

[plush tendon]

now arms can do great AOE!.... every 10 minutes

[modern brook]

[loud patrol]

tbh arms is good in big aoe

the bad part is that thats only viable in academy

[inland raft]

if take battering ram, would we take instigate over bloodsurge?

[modern brook]

Instigate>bs is a st switch I believe

[ebon geyser]

every tank i see in the race is a warrior top kek

[modern brook]

Bs will be more rage in multi target still to my underatanding

[olive steeple]

Blood dks have seen play I believe

[unkempt pollen]

Im looking for an updated spell reflect wa for this expansion, is anyone using a good one? most of the ones in Wago are for SL abilities

[craggy pilot]

Liquid used BDK i believe

[plush tendon]

Hard to justify a VDH or Brew considering monk and havoc are kind of ballin

Bear is bear

[modern brook]

Maul owns

[plush tendon]

and BDGG is using a Prot Paladin I think

[ebon geyser]

sloot is on war atm

naow is on warr

i dont watch liquid

i think method is war too

[modern brook]

[loud patrol]

wasnt liquid using monk on brood

[plush tendon]

I havnt really been watching

But everytime I tune in, its double prot

[ebon geyser]

yep

bdgg is 2 war

[loud patrol]

me for once i sort of understand how blizzard dont listen to players, mayority are dumber than a rock

[cinder storm]

With all the amount of min maxing and all the experience both team have, its kinda boring for me to watch

[plush tendon]

Oh; thought they had a paladin

[ebon geyser]

i think this is the first rwf that im not actively watching

[plush tendon]

Yea, Id rather play then watch

[cinder storm]

I watched bfa and SL religiously

[plush tendon]

right now

[ebon geyser]

but again i havent play since i had a bad expo in m+

and kinda said fk it

[lament zealot]

I throw it on my 2nd screen whenever they're progging. It's boring until last boss usually.

[craggy pilot]

this raid has been insanely boring in all bosses

even the last boss seem kinda zzz

[cinder storm]

Really? havent follow it but I heard otherwise

[craggy pilot]

Seppy C was fucking amazing because of all the memes and the hard bosses

[ebon geyser]

not playing i feel i let @ionic fern down

[ionic fern]

Even i'm playing.

[ebon geyser]

i agree i start waching watch a couple of pulls and then i stop

[fair stump]

How’s other tanks looking against warrior in m+?

[loud patrol]

im sorry i try to play then i get 10k dps evokers and i dont want anymore

[ebon geyser]

im sorry to let you down

[neon elk]

All embelishments are 1-2%dmg compared to each other or 1-2% when compared same item without embelishment ?

[cinder storm]

All the other tanks are fine (except brew), pwars are just running with better dps this season

[lament zealot]

Do you guys think we're going to get the typical blizzard pendulum balance and nerfed into the ground?

[ebon geyser]

maybe

[autumn urchin]

in echo and liquid they swapped to bdk for brood

[edgy grail]

Unlikely

[cinder storm]

Maybe yes, Maybe no

[autumn urchin]

1 bdk 1 pwar

[fair stump]

How’s pwar compared to bdk?

[edgy grail]

They have said several times that they want to close the gap between specs but not change the position

[ebon geyser]

it can be a lot of things for me, being eu and being unmotivated, the bad exp in m+ idk

[tulip raft]

the Crafting order for the shield, with primal infusion needs to be Guild or Personal, anyone knows if the ' personal' needs to be on the same server?

[cinder storm]

It's good, you just have different approaches on some pulls

[craggy pilot]

same cluster

[plush tendon]

BDK also has a bit more util then Prot War

there are so many times where just having slappys is such a godsend

or a grip

[cinder storm]

But like you see dorki saying "other tanks are not as good" while his dps are doing like 150k overall, meanwhile your regular pug is hardly doing 50k

You can play a "bad tank" and if you have good dps, you can do high keys

[plush tendon]

Blood aint bad though

[ebon geyser]

this is tru

[plush tendon]

its also like, week one

we still gotta get tier, more I levels, etc.

[ebon geyser]

but u cant compare dorki groups with your avg groups fker was doing almost 20 the same day or the day after of m+

[edgy grail]

Just gitgud

You can push on any class

[plush tendon]

yea, theres a brewmaster sitting at top 3 for IO

[cinder storm]

I don't have weapon enchants, my gear has cheap enchants, I use cheap consumables, and I don't even bother to check dps if they even have one or no

[plush tendon]

but Brew is ded sooooo

[lusty tiger]

@strong forum writing your report currently

on a 52k dps run how filthy

[edgy grail]

They have WF 20 TOJS

Dead spec tho

[cinder storm]

This is a good point, but regular people should remember that we are not like them. My priest got depressed until I reminded her that some people have way too much free time and money to spare, and its just week 1

Hell, I even have to remind it myself

[ebon geyser]

thats the bad part , every m+ gorup expect you to play like that

[edgy grail]

I remind myself I am better

[ebon geyser]

they dont care if u trying

[edgy grail]

The biggest problem really is that people don’t analyze their gameplay

You improve very fast

[plush tendon]

I just dont pug and do keys with guildies 🙂

[ebon geyser]

the amount of pp that don interrupt

[plush tendon]

If we fuck up, its usually funny

[edgy grail]

By just taking a bit of time and checking what you could have done better

[heavy temple]

I just cannot survive the last pack in TJS on a 16

[plush tendon]

and if it aint going well, we just say 'this just aint our time right now'

[edgy grail]

Spell block and Shield wall

Pop all CDs

And then run

[cinder storm]

Welcome to the support group, take a number

[plush tendon]

Bring a boomkin

and get trees 😄

[edgy grail]

I died on our 16

But onky bc I’m stupid

I should’ve lived

[idle inlet]

Do the sha that got the spellreflectable spell not cast if youre at range from them when its off cd ?

[edgy grail]

You want to reflect the dark claws

Yes

[fair stump]

I got insta popped on a 8 during that last pack, but I’m also probably under geared

[edgy grail]

If you open MDT and click on the mob

It tells you the range on each ability

[idle inlet]

yeah, so if i go into melee, spellreflect dark claws...then run out and kite when they can cast it again...they will just try to chase me ?

[edgy grail]

Chase you

You run back in for the reflect

And just keep running

[cinder storm]

First 12 seconds into the pull =
Then deadge

[idle inlet]

Wonderful, thanks

[ebon geyser]

there should be some tuning this week

i hope

[cinder storm]

I heard the winds on RLP are clockwise (counter) depending on where you are looking

[modern brook]

the winds are really not a big deal

[cinder storm]

But everyone is just trying to avoid other people's pool and their size...that dungeon man, I m not scared of any dungeon but that dungeon

[modern brook]

if you're safe when they start

you're safe while they're going on

[sullen lichen]

just burn dragon

[modern brook]

^

[cinder storm]

I tell pugs to save cds and lust for dragon

[twilit jungle]

Ran a few dungeons learning prot. 48% uptime shield block. Def need to improve that. Getting 22k overall dps. Is that decent for damage or should I be getting way more?

[cinder storm]

but explaining pools and them dropping them right

[pallid quiver]

Depends on ilvl, dungeon, but I'm assuming that's low since SB uptime is low

SB uptime will usually go to 100% simply by playing well

[cinder storm]

100%

[twilit jungle]

Its for sure low

[pallid quiver]

which means your DPS is likely low, as well

[inland raft]

Fbv play sinxe bv is bugged right?

[pallid quiver]

Pull sizes affect overall, as wel

[pallid quiver]

If your IPs are actually getting blown up, BrV is probably better since the bug doesn't matter at that point

[modern brook]

that talent isnt a huge impact either way, but yeah if the bv bugs you that much go for it

[pallid quiver]

^^^

Neither is really major or anything

[modern brook]

overall isnt exactly the best metric for measuring quality of play. Focus on maintaining Block uptime and not wasting rage while still sending things on CD. damage (and surv) should come from that.

Logs/vids are happily reviewed

[twilit jungle]

Generally should IP have similar uptime?

[pallid quiver]

Your overall can drop due to things not even related to your play, as well.

[pallid quiver]

It'll generally end up above 90% in most content. Only at the very high end will it start dipping. It's not a measurement you track, though

[twilit jungle]

I will just focus defensive play until I get it down

[pallid quiver]

Defensive play is offensive play

They're one and the same

[quaint zodiac]

^

[craggy pilot]

@plush tendon ok so update on the flamethrower + Avatar(Blademaster)
It procs Bladestorm, and the Flamethrower spews fire which also spins 😄 but it does only do dmg in front

#showtooltip
/cast Avatar
/use Difficult Wrist Protectors

[twilit jungle]

Alright, heard

[pallid quiver]

If your SB uptime is low, you're likely missing SS resets

Are you using ITF, also? You should be defaulting to Heavy Repercussions over it if so

It's more forgiving and generally better on ST

[quaint zodiac]

So repercussions is back on the menu?

[pallid quiver]

It's always been to go-to

[cinder storm]

At a quick glance, if you check healing taken on your last key and its over 40%, then your healers are probably struggling to keep you up

[pallid quiver]

You only go ITF if you're trying to pump meters in AOE

[quaint zodiac]

Huh, guess I missed that memo lol

[twilit jungle]

I went into ITF because I have 17% haste. I suppose it doesnt matter that much

[pallid quiver]

Llarold was recommending ITF in his guides a bit ago; last I checked that changed, so that may be why

[lusty tiger]

40% of who's healing?

[twilit jungle]

Just swapped from fury so I need to change gems and whatnot anyways

[crystal dirge]

40% of your healing taken

[pallid quiver]

You need like 40% haste before ITF in order to keep SB uptime decently high without covering it with Bolster

[craggy pilot]

if you go ITF you wont get enough SB uptime without also picking Bolster

[twilit jungle]

Heard, thanks

[lusty tiger]

nice, im chillen then

[twilit jungle]

how does one check healing taken in details?

[civic junco]

What should prot be using for the Primal Ritual Shell?

[pallid quiver]

Fire, don't look back

Earth's viable, but if you're asking which to use, that's not your use case

[lusty tiger]

healing > "done to friendly"

hover over your name

[craggy pilot]

or click the healer, and see who he targeted

[civic junco]

Makes sense, I was going to use fire because I already have a shield trinket from a 402 Heroic Decoration of flame from vualt

[twilit jungle]

28.6%, not bad i suppose

although it was a 7 sbg at 383 ilvl

[lusty tiger]

geez

[lusty tiger]

im not sure this compares who healed the tank for how much tho

[craggy pilot]

who else should heal than the tank tho lol

oh ye i guess your right

[lusty tiger]

the tank

[craggy pilot]

it just shows how much the healer healed the tank instead of other people

[lusty tiger]

yes

[wide charm]

are you playing BSV ? I feel like it saves me from time to time in 16-18 but people told me it's bugged so idk

[lusty tiger]

i dont- but i also play IO

[uneven mason]

it's been fixed

[lusty tiger]

5 real?

[wide charm]

what is IO ?

[lusty tiger]

Immoveable Object

[cinder storm]

Independent Offense

[uneven mason]

Input/Output

[lusty tiger]

i feel more control than a cheat death but maybe ill try BSV + UF for some pushing

[uneven mason]

BSV isn't a cheat death....

[wide charm]

kinda feels like one tho

[lusty tiger]

ok

it is

a

MEGA SHIELD WALL

[uneven mason]

It's a "EHP enhancer"

[lusty tiger]

sure

[uneven mason]

Yup

[wide charm]

that works when you are supposed to die

almost*

[uneven mason]

So like, Purgatory - literally stops you from dying

you can "Die" on Purgatory

and it'll stop it

[lusty tiger]

so yea shield wall and avatar more often makes pack-pack feel a bit smoother

[uneven mason]

BSV just reduces the damage you take by an insane amount if you drop below 30%

and doubles your healing intake

[lusty tiger]

yea im never really playing at 30% hp

[patent osprey]

after running alot of keys, BSV is more of a 8 second immunity every 3 minutes, rather than a Cheat is how it has felt

[lusty tiger]

that you cannot fully control ):

[mighty valley]

i'll still start playing it when i get to keys that we really wanna time

[lusty tiger]

yea im still considering- like the double pulls that are sketch but save big time

getting more of those in

[acoustic tinsel]

How big is the dps difference between fang adornments and armor spikes in m+?

[pallid quiver]

Actually, I'm curious. Did you know about the BSV mechanics about how it works based on pre-mitigation damage while running those keys?

[edgy grail]

That’s what a cheat death is too 👀

[uneven mason]

No a cheat death is just that - a cheat death

[edgy grail]

No

[uneven mason]

Yes.

[edgy grail]

A cheat death enchances your EHP

[uneven mason]

🤦‍♂️

A cheat death stops you from dying to fatal damage -

[edgy grail]

But BSV isnt a cheat

[uneven mason]

BSV does not

[edgy grail]

Yep

I agree

That doesn’t mean they don’t both increase your EHP

[lusty tiger]

Mega shield wall

[mighty valley]

i'm pretty sure he knew how it worked while timing 20s

[uneven mason]

Does it bracket damage now?

[unreal sage]

hi, into the fray or heavy repercussion?

[modern brook]

[craggy pilot]

whats better for M+? (enchant wise) Leech or Avoidance?

[pulsar sedge]

leech

[craggy pilot]

damn i bought the wrong enchants then 🤣

[pulsar sedge]

Its not make or break tho, so all good lol

[uneven mason]

Leech until you get into some high keys (because you can't heal dead)

[urban portal]

Avoidance is better to cheese mechs

[small coral]

RLP is comically hard

[plush tendon]

Ruby Life Pools.... more like Ruby Dead Pools

[edgy grail]

How useful is avoidance in these dungeons

I cant think of much off the top of my head

[warm plinth]

This is fixed now btw. Nome said something about it yesterday. Not sure how long it's been fixed though.

[edgy grail]

What do you guys drop for BSV?

Battering ram?

[wise kite]

I just want to say, as a previous blood DK since cata and switching to warrior this expansion on a whim, it's really unfair how much fun the spec feels vs blood right now... Or really ever

[neon elk]

Isnt curent bdk like peak of fun ? Or at least thats what i heard from people playing it last 2 expow

[tropic tangle]

idk, I thought blood was pretty fun season 3

[plush tendon]

Blood DK is fun

but Warrior is more fun

[warm plinth]

Bdk is very different now than in s3/s4

You have to actually press more than heart strike

[plush tendon]

S3 and S4 Blood DK was a travesty

IMO

[tropic tangle]

agree tho, warr is a lot more fun with this talent system

[plush tendon]

Strong, but so unfun

[uneven mason]

I'm enjoying BDK which is unusual because normally I can't stand the HP seesaw

But they feel "tankier"

than they have in the past

[sick sentinel]

just walk along the green arrow to skip?

the note says skip

[plush tendon]

They path in a crescent

just need to avoid them

[wise kite]

I ran a +8 halls on Prot and never once worried about surviving. My bdk struggled doing a +2 nokoud

[plush tendon]

make sure to pull those two packs away from that area

and the boss

closer towards the enterance

[static pumice]

hello fellow tanks that raids with bigwigs, would you mind checking my questions at #ui-addons-manager please?

[prisma crane]

dumb question since i have not yet tested

spell block, does it work even if i dont have regular block up?

should always have regular block up anyways, but curious

like is it its own thing entirely?

[uneven mason]

It "works" but you'd like, need to RNG chance to block I believe

[warm plinth]

Yeah the ability makes you able to block spells but it doesn't in itself guarantee blocking

[prisma crane]

ah ok, that's how i figured it worked based on reading it

thanks

[frosty helm]

is there a newbies chat to ask questions about prot?

[uneven mason]

Here

But we suggest first

good reading material

[prisma crane]

yes block is better than ignore pain

yes we like damage and its not common to just sit in defensive stance

ilvl always

haste is quite good

try your best and just enjoy yourself!

[spice axle]

hey guys any source for dragonflight blockable abilities?

[fresh valley]

is shield one of the first things to upgrade with valor?

[prisma crane]

Sense's post in the pins

[prisma crane]

depends on your gear, but it's not a bad thing, imo save valor atm, wait for vault

also crafting shield would save you there

[uneven mason]

I mean, you'll always gain the most out of upgrading shields

[fresh valley]

unfort my vault is going to pvp items

same with crafts

[prisma crane]

shield or weapon then i guess

shield most defensively

[fresh valley]

okee

[lean gale]

better shield for harder shield slams

[prisma crane]

iirc weapon would do more for SS than shield ironically

since it's not based on block value anymore

[lean gale]

Ye i know 😄

[prisma crane]

not for ages

i do miss that interaction though

[lean gale]

Same

That was legit nice

[prisma crane]

it was probably objectively worse but it was fun to build a block value set

[lean gale]

It just felt perfect for the Tank fantasy

[prisma crane]

would be nice if they could bake in something to make our shield impact SS values though

like having block value at least be a small bonus to SS

[vernal vale]

Better shield better slamming our faces into things with said shield

[spice axle]

any suggestion for which items to spend spark of igenuity on first?

[prisma crane]

yurp

what kind of content are you doing?

[vernal vale]

Shield, lariat

[prisma crane]

generally shield, weapon, JC neck

[spice axle]

ty

[vernal vale]

Shield future proofs your most valuable slot

[spice axle]

is lariant a neck?

[lean gale]

Belt could be good with raid rings

[prisma crane]

yes

[vernal vale]

Lariat is the jc neck that's just incredibly good

[spice axle]

that's probably a good idea since my neck is 340

[prisma crane]

just be aware that it's pricy

if you want all the sockets

[lean gale]

And you need some dude who dosent sell it for gold cap and can craft it

[vernal vale]

Belt is good damage. Will be my third slot and I'll be removing armor spikes from my shield then.

[lean gale]

i thought the same 😄 Little bit sad to remove this. I like the feel of it

[prisma crane]

belt probably only worth if you have the rings though i'd guess

[quaint nacelle]

hey guys, is it worth to add haste/mastery socket to lariat for prot when I dual spec to fury? or just go with haste/versa

[prisma crane]

since isn't bracers/helm better?

after lariat that is

[vernal vale]

I miss shield spikes as an attachment you used to just do.

[prisma crane]

bias towards whichever you're more likely to do the harder content on imo

also, if crit is any good for fury (genuinely have no clue) crit is good for us

[quaint nacelle]

yeah was thinking the same, thanks mate

[vernal vale]

Helm is a tier slot and still requires stuff to do damage to you.

[lean gale]

bracers sounds really nice to

[prisma crane]

at the end of the day, with tanking, being semi suboptimal isnt going to matter unless you're looking to min max, so yea, just go with whichever you'll gain the most from in the content you plan to do

[lean gale]

Crit/haste + Vers

[prisma crane]

for fury?

[vernal vale]

Bracers would be good if I wasn't going to engineering bracers with invis

[inland raft]

Ya tanking is pretty feelscrafty and is more about proper pulls/cd management

[prisma crane]

if so then go with haste/crit gem Sekulus

[quaint nacelle]

will do, thanks a lot everyone

[prisma crane]

np!

[vernal vale]

If your a single minded fury dude haste has more value

Which works out well with prot stats

Yes I know single minded isn't as good.

[lean gale]

it feels great to craft your own shield

[vernal vale]

But I'm a prot player I don't get 2h weapons

[inland raft]

I dont know fury at all but thought haste/mastery was their preferred stats?

[plush tendon]

I think its crit mastery now

[vernal vale]

No idea I avoid #fury

[timid blaze]

Pretty sure it's haste/mastery

So not awful for prot stats against physical threats? 😅

[inland raft]

Wowhead says mastery/crit evidently, guess the talent trees enables them to get higher enrage uptime without stacking haste

[urban portal]

the opposite

you have too much enrage uptime with smf that you dont need haste

[uneven mason]

yeah SMF is conkers for attack speed/haste

[vernal vale]

Yeah, im very out of date lol

[uneven mason]

I don't think about DPS stats though for the DPS specs

only prot matters

[inland raft]

Tbf who wants to be up to date in fury

[urban portal]

just like on prot

[timid blaze]

How does SMF hold up against TG dmg wise?

[urban portal]

stats dont matter

you play ilevel

[urban portal]

not very good

[inland raft]

Ilvl til cap then worry about stats ya

[urban portal]

normal TG=mythic SMF

[uneven mason]

it's uh...a thing

[timid blaze]

Unfortunate

[uneven mason]

ilvl > haste > crit=vers > mastery
You only worry about the stat progression at yeah, equal ilvl pieces

[vernal vale]

You basically play it if your a prot main who won't get 2h weapons lol

[uneven mason]

I went out of my way to get 2h weapons for fury

because SMF just feelsbad

like, the pathing to maximize SMF

doesn't give that fun feel

[deft vessel]

what talent builds do you lot run for razsageth? I see shockwave in some recommendations, seems wasted imo, only useful on the intermissions, no?

[jagged pier]

u can use it on intermission

but meh

[deft vessel]

I feel like I'd rather have lower roar CD

[uneven mason]

Wait, theres a raid?

Are the intermission adds stunnable?

that'd be why

[urban portal]

yeah shockwave is the first point you can drop in raid if you dont need it

[deft vessel]

and then whether to run Show of Force or sudden death

I feel like the intermissions are pretty straightforward, and I don't need so much heavy investment into AoE, but then I'm not sure if the math works out, whether the execute procs are stronger

I swear earlier recommendations ran the execute talent

[edgy kindle]

Hmmm, random question why does BSV triggers here exactly?

[ionic roost]

cause without it you would've went below 30%

[edgy kindle]

Oh, didn't know it worked that way, it's way nicer than I thought, good to know

[deft vessel]

okay now I'm just confused, intimidating shout in the razsageth talent tree?

[paper orbit]

there's an invisible non-castbar cast that happens from the necromancer in that pack that applies Frailty or something like that 15 seconds into its pull, which lets the melee truck you super duper hard

[deft vessel]

what is happening in teh wowhead guide

[ionic roost]

probably to clear multiple orbs for people

so they dont have to

[uneven mason]

It brackets the damage (thanks for confirming that)

[deft vessel]

that seems like such heavy investment for such a simple mechanic

I'm still pugging through normal, so it seems even more pointless there

I'm also a highmountain tauren that can charge if it needs further help somehow

the talent tree had storm bolt traited too

[uneven mason]

This is how WoTN has worked forever, which is why it was so OP for BDK, because it'll take the chunk under 30% and reduce it, but hten it gets reduced again by IP (I assume) and leaves you actually over 30%

crazy

[mighty valley]

especially pugging raids, you providing more control/mechanics handling is gonna matter a lot more than providing a bit more damage

normal people don't wipe on normal/heroic due to damage checks

[deft vessel]

that's fair, but based on my experience pugging so far, that particular mechanic, the orbs, does not need that significant of an investment from me to handle, esp. if there's a priest in the raid

[mighty valley]

eh, it's a point, you're not giving up a whole lot to cover an extra add in case like... people DC or whatever

but yeah, not make or break either way

[sick sentinel]

no lust or drums no dbm, ragnaros + healer and me died to first 2 bosses and we wiped to first boss once

[edgy kindle]

I mean, I'm glad it works towards keeping us alive, always thought WoTN was OP for that same reason yeah

[sick sentinel]

terrible scuffed key rom hell

[mighty valley]

most of the timers this season are very generous

but the scaling past 10 is pretty serious

[neon elk]

I still cant time rlp above 10 while having rest on 12-13

[edgy kindle]

Already did 2 weekly no leavers at 16, Azure and Jade, pulls were ok~ish, but the party couldn't handle boss damage most of the time

Also 3rd Boss in Jade is gonna be a problem

[deft vessel]

this is probably silly for razsageth

[mighty valley]

yeah, you can grind through a lot, but actually timing needs big healer pumping + great kick/cc coordination

[mighty valley]

barbaric and thunderlords are the first things i'd drop

[uneven mason]

That's ok my academy 9 they left after wiping to the tree bosses AE after ignoring my instrucitons

[edgy kindle]

I have this feeling that since everyone has virtually everything with new talents you're expected to have multiple AoE stuns/Kicks/Disorients....

[uneven mason]

"GG Tank" - Healer who didn't stack in the green swirl.

[sick sentinel]

i literally had a dude called "happyhealer" for my +7 hov

he was indeed happy

[deft vessel]

what even, he must be trolling

[uneven mason]

Is it just me or is HoV a pretty free key besides the wolves?

[wary plume]

anyone know if human racial clears storming?

[uneven mason]

Who the F**K plays a human

[deft vessel]

yeah im thinking whether I want barbaric, I feel like I IP a lot for the ticking damage

[wary plume]

i dont have a human to test with

[uneven mason]

Right

[wary plume]

[mighty valley]

barbaric feels awful to me still, especially in mostly ST situations

[deft vessel]

I generally like it

[uneven mason]

Barbaric is garbage

It's REALLY bad from a math standpoint

[deft vessel]

I feel like a lot of times I have an overabundance of rage

so it's faster dump of it when I need to dump it

[uneven mason]

Barbaric is 25% more damage for 50% more resource cost, because you're pressing revenge LESS, you're resetting SS LESS which means it has a very substantial OPPORTUNITY cost

[opaque vine]

For those of you that has tested, hoof, ruby shell, or rumbling ruby?

[sick sentinel]

this guy does

[uneven mason]

so its more like 25% more damage for 100% increase cost

[sick sentinel]

some crazy hobo by legend

[mighty valley]

it's good in the all CDs popped rage overflowing phase, but then outside of that there's a risk of dead globals

god never make me look at asmongold, please

[deft vessel]

what would you take in place of barbaric, maybe pain and gain?

[urban portal]

barbaric is sometimes good sometimes bad

it increases DPET

decreases DPR

sometimes one mattes more than another

[deft vessel]

I am not familiar with the acronyms, the question at hand is - do I run it on razsageth

[wary plume]

would run it on ST

wouldnt

WOULDNT

[urban portal]

if you are overcapped on rage then yes run it

[uneven mason]

I was going to say

[urban portal]

if you think you arent overcapping then no

and yes its very hard to make an argument for it on ST

[deft vessel]

I frankly am not sure, I feel like I use a lot of IP

[uneven mason]

It's theoretically impossible to overcap on rage....

That

[deft vessel]

I'll try without, and run pain and gain instead, I don't think I can reasoanbly squeeze any efficient damage from teh tree

maybe cruel strikes, cus I'm also running sudden death?

[urban portal]

they dont interact

[deft vessel]

actually no, I can't anyway

point requirements

[sick sentinel]

is this bis

[urban portal]

yes

[sick sentinel]

neat

[urban portal]

its a regular weapon with a minor upside

[uneven mason]

wat

[sick sentinel]

i tihnk i heard the proc for that is low

[urban portal]

sudden death does NOT interact with attack speed based buffs

more attacks is not more procs

[tawdry lynx]

its proc gives me about 1% DPS

[mighty valley]

the single point in overflowing rage feels nice when your CDs are running

[sick sentinel]

either 60 90 or 120 seconds cd

[uneven mason]

Cruel Strikes?

is 10% execute crit dmg

[urban portal]

oh wait

i was thinking some other thing

that sounds the same

sorry

[tawdry lynx]

IDK if its actually BIS but so far nothing out there is simming higher than it at the same level

[urban portal]

yeah im thinking wild strikes

[ocean bloom]

nome said that its good but not better than a higher ilvl weapon

[sick sentinel]

sick

yea im gonna upgrade it

rn im using 405

that weapon + parry trinket + dunno trinket gunna be omegalul in dungeon

what parry trinket

[tawdry lynx]

Economically its probably the best bet. I would feel very secure putting sophic 3 on it

[sick sentinel]

raid one

[tawdry lynx]

and just keep upgrading it

[edgy kindle]

The elemental stance totem?

[sick sentinel]

there is a trinket from raid if you dodge or parry you counter attack on a 30s cd

[edgy kindle]

Yep, totem

About 4% of my dmg in M+

[urban portal]

i understand what you mean, but basically as it stands, any form of "overcapping" gets sent to IP instead. meaning that during times of high rage, you dont have the globals to convert that rage into damage, which is why overwhelming rage/barb training is a DPS up if you have a lot of rage gen

[edgy kindle]

How good/bad would be crafting the versa alchemy trinket with next Spark?

[uneven mason]

It's possible that it's close but I think you'd have to guarantee 4-5 targets all the time for BT to overtake the increased SS resets

[edgy kindle]

I liked that trinket back in BfA

[uneven mason]

especially if you're running UF

[wary plume]

p sure very very bad

[opaque vine]

Do you guys like Blazebinder's hoof or rumbling ruby better? I haven't had the chance to test both yet

[wary plume]

i dont like blazebinder at all

but i have it

so im usin it

[sick sentinel]

same boat

Primal Ritual Shell gang where at

[opaque vine]

Pretty sure ruby shell is actual ass, no idea why they were rated so high

Like it was okay pre-raid, but I disagree with it being anywhere near an "A" tier

[craggy stream]

In which dungeons do you guys take spell block?

[deft vessel]

none right now

[fast knot]

Jade Temple is decent value

[craggy stream]

Yeah i am also finding it hard to run it, all casters target random party members. Maybe CoS for imps

[slim dove]

imps should die without casting once

[opaque vine]

temple i run it for sure

[uneven mason]

3rd boss in Jade

all that fire

[opaque vine]

and the trash before last boss

[uneven mason]

trash

[slim dove]

yeah its huge in temple.

[uneven mason]

I've taken to pulling them back around corners

[fast knot]

Even with spell block I clench and pray on that last pack

[uneven mason]

I hate the last 3 trio packs

and then yeah the sha quintet

[craggy stream]

Do you guys know if you can spell block dark claw? Last pack in jade does 200k through shield wall on+13

[solar crown]

How much haste is to much haste? At what point do you start going for more versa

[uneven mason]

never

[fast knot]

Ideally you stun mobs to sync up dark claw and reflect

[craggy stream]

ah so you can reflect, i see

[uneven mason]

Ideally and hope they die before the next cast

[fast knot]

[uneven mason]

because eating 4 of those at once is good bye

[solar crown]

allright, thanks!

[uneven mason]

Prot has a wonderful superpower of just giving zero fucks about "stat stacking" unless you're talking equal ilvl pieces.

But haste is going to be the best until cap, which is unobtainable

[craggy stream]

Also, if we are talking pure single target with no regard to damage taken. Should you shield block for shield slam dmg?

[fast knot]

No block shield slams make me sadge

[craggy stream]

[uneven mason]

yes always

[solar crown]

allright, thanks

[uneven mason]

To clarify - item level is what you'll stack

[bold turret]

Guys, how live searing wounds on 2nd boss RLP?

[sweet summit]

rotate defensives

sw 1st external 2nd sw 3rd

etc

spell block does not work on that, which is kinda poopy

[uneven mason]

Want to trade SPell Block for a CD that lets our armor mitigation work vs spells for 10 seconds

[thick mauve]

Which gems have you used for this one guys, and also , is it worth to go with the 3 stars gems?

[deep spruce]

Haste/Vers, and yes

[uneven mason]

Call it "Ablative Plating"

[deep spruce]

u aint likely to change it the whole tier

[lusty tiger]

That’d be sick

[thick mauve]

Yea i know, i was only wondering if the difference of stats are worth the price difference haha

[deep spruce]

Well, i guess it depends on how much gold u have

can also change those later

[thick mauve]

Gold isnt a problem right now, so i guess i'll just go with the 3 stars ones^^

tyy

[thick mauve]

Do you have the name of this gem please?

[solar crown]

ysemerald

[craggy pilot]

are the adds supposed to spawn on the ground in Dathea normal? 🤔

[south zealot]

[deep spruce]

2 big adds in normal

[craggy pilot]

ye and they spawn on the ground?

[spice axle]

does these effects on a shield even matter?

or the versatility proc for example

[pallid quiver]

They're roughly 1-1.5% of your damage on average

so they exist

[uneven mason]

Are they going to make or break your run, no.

[pallid quiver]

But they're not really that drastic

[uneven mason]

But they're greater than zero

[spice axle]

as expected

[sick sentinel]

ez

[pallid quiver]

It will make the difference between your parse being 99 or 100 is about it, probs

[chrome heath]

what talents are you guys using?

[south zealot]

outskilled

[tough fulcrum]

anyone know about the trinket from nokhud? Granyths enduring scale

is it any good

[uneven mason]

Legit df is the expansion of "this is nice and bigger than nothing" just stacked on top of eachother

[south zealot]

you dont need battle scarred veteran, i only take it bc im doing higher keys

i would personally take thunderlord or battering ram on lower keys

[uneven mason]

MMM battering ram

[sick sentinel]

My favorite 2 trinkets is boon and brood trinket really fun to use

Kwk

[spice axle]

is that fixed?

[uneven mason]

Yea

[south zealot]

yes

[chrome heath]

i've tried it and seems useless in high keys you die anyway

[uneven mason]

Can we get "yes battle scarred veteran is fixed" in the pins

[south zealot]

its saved me twice in 3 keys so i think its decent value

[uneven mason]

If you died through bsv than something else is horribly wrong

[chrome heath]

why not using thunderlord?

[chrome heath]

i got one shotted with it lol

[uneven mason]

You stood in something

[strong forum]

TL wont result in hugely amount of more demo shouts, on average youll get 2 per pack anyway

[chrome heath]

could be

[uneven mason]

Like it won't save you from getting hit for 1000000

Especially if you have nothing else going

[vagrant relic]

Hey guys how do u execute aoe rotation while avatar is active with the Unstoppable Force talent taken? Do u use shield slam and Thunder Clap whenever possible or would u insert revenge whenever possible instead of shield slam for more damage?

[mighty valley]

the stuff that will actually obliterate you is avoidable/kickable/stunnable, bsv will sometimes save you from everything else

but yeah, only at high keys where your survivability is actually a limiting factor

[uneven mason]

Takes alot of targets for revenge to beat the value of ss

[strong forum]

depends on rage influx from bloodsurge

if you have alot of targets you can skip out on SS casts and send more revenges

[chrome heath]

spell block any good?

[strong forum]

but generally speaking you revenge when SS and TC are on CD

"spell block is super strong and super useless"

[lusty coyote]

Have some hero made a Spell Reflect sheet yet ?

[pallid quiver]

Spell Block situational, but strong when you can use it

[uneven mason]

Ss hits so hard and if you're running stuff like hr than it's also a mitigation gain

[pallid quiver]

if you're not getting value out of it, garbonzo

[strong forum]

90% of situations where spellblock is strong, you have SW for

[chrome heath]

i see

[strong forum]

the only time spell block is good, is when you need to rotate several CDs for mechanics

[pallid quiver]

[vagrant relic]

so what if my rage capping I have stacked ignore pain or even don't need that damage reduction all that much would I be still using shieldslam?

[strong forum]

aka RLP and Totjs

[uneven mason]

The other 10% it turns out that it's not block able anyway

[mighty valley]

we might reach a level where we'll take any defensive cd we can get but by default you're losing like ~5% overall damage to take it

[strong forum]

send more ignore pain

[vagrant relic]

why? wouldn't 3 targets be already enough?

[vagrant relic]

ok thanks

[strong forum]

your goal is to generate and spend as much rage as possible

thats the key to playing pwar well

[vagrant relic]

thanks

[chrome heath]

worth using for prot?

[pallid quiver]

The more you do both of those, the less damage you take and the more damage you do

[strong forum]

very meh for us

[vagrant relic]

2 secs cast

[chrome heath]

yeah that is the problem

[vagrant relic]

and 3 min cooldown

[chrome heath]

any suggestions the best trinket for prot to go for?

[vagrant relic]

I'm a noob and haven't tried many trinkets but from my experience this stuff is a life saver:

[strong forum]

blazebinder, whetstone, dragon games

trampling hooves thingy

all solid

[slim dove]

skill issue tbh

joociest spell reflect of your life missed

[sick sentinel]

it was prob on cd

[strong forum]

the CD of BSV is hidden

which is super fun

[sick sentinel]

whats bsv

[strong forum]

ah you meant SR on CD

unluck

[loud patrol]

its not, is pure placebo effect. in reality its ignore pain thats saving you

how i know? same happened to me

[vagrant relic]

but it's like 200k shield for me at 379 ilvl of the trinket with my 360 stock hp

[sick sentinel]

@vagrant relic I love that trinket too.

[vagrant relic]

it's pretty wicked isn't it?

[sick sentinel]

Yep!!

[loud patrol]

check the shield that gives you at the end of a run

for me it was like 1.79%

compared to the 90+% of IP

[vagrant relic]

how do i do that in details?

[slim dove]

check healing done.

[loud patrol]

i thinkg healing done still counts

[lusty tiger]

Anyone use the splinter trinket?

[vagrant relic]

I found the damage prevented

I think that's the one

[lusty tiger]

Has been handy considering it is all I’ve got

[vagrant relic]

it's like 11%

with those long cooldowns

[loud patrol]

thats from parries i think?

[vagrant relic]

pretty wicked when to think about that

it showes pain and the trinket smh

shows*

[craggy pilot]

what is the general strat for the adds on normal Dathea? 🤔

[vagrant relic]

from my experience 1 tank takes care of the boss another just runs around with some dps killing the adds

oh

dathea is the storm one?

[craggy pilot]

so kill 2 adds stacked on top of each other?

[craggy pilot]

yes

[vagrant relic]

me and the other tank were like that

[loud patrol]

i brim em to the ledge

[vagrant relic]

the add we were killing was on the free tank close to the edge

while the other was on the tank who was taunting the boss atm

so the pugs weren't killing them both the same time

[craggy pilot]

pop them at the same time?

or what?

[vagrant relic]

no

I think i'll kill u

it**

[loud patrol]

i mean even if you pop em at the same time

thats 92k dmg

[vagrant relic]

woudn't popping them the same time knock u outa the platform?

[loud patrol]

no idea tbh

[vagrant relic]

especially tanks with stacks

I think it does

[loud patrol]

i mean if you fall down as warrior u failed as warrior

[vagrant relic]

I mean it's true

[loud patrol]

and stacks doesnt affect the blow

[vagrant relic]

but not every tank is a warrior

some tanks are wrong smh

but it is still what it is

[loud patrol]

i mean as monk, dk you have inmunities

[vagrant relic]

pal dh

[loud patrol]

dh, warrior has displacement

[vagrant relic]

dru

[round cliff]

i cant wrap my head around outburst
i have a tracker for it and everything but i just am having trouble thinking that far ahead

how do i fix this skill issue

[loud patrol]

pal has freedom that i think it makes it inmune to displacement

druid? idk fck bears

[vagrant relic]

anyway there is no need to make life harder

[vagrant relic]

btw from my experience we tank swaped at 3 stacks

[loud patrol]

in dathea normal i usually tank 10-14 stacks

[craggy pilot]

not rly worrying about the tank swap

[vagrant relic]

and the first 2 stacks u won't even need any movement abilities to get to the boss

[craggy pilot]

we are getting fucked by knockback from the adds dying

[vagrant relic]

yeah kill them one by one

on the edge

[craggy pilot]

cleave them near the edge?

or?

[loud patrol]

is it the knockback or its the dot and everyone runnig into people?

[vagrant relic]

try not to kill them the same time

so i'd give 1 add to the boss tanking tank for a bit

so the pugs won't kill them the same time

other than that u'r pretty safe

[loud patrol]

if your pugs are braindead just kick the ones that fall off

[vagrant relic]

ahhaaha

true and real

especially at the last

[dusky canopy]

In my pug I just brought the adds to the boss and marked one with skull

[loud patrol]

you have to be pretty stupid to fall if the add is in the correct place

[sick sentinel]

just let one war solo tank the boss in the middle during add phase

[dusky canopy]

They died spread enough to not fuck us

[sick sentinel]

the debuff caps at 5 stacks

and it doesnt even do that much damage

[wanton shale]

at higher keys, does running a full melee team make it a lot worse?

[sick sentinel]

its just you have to spam charge

[loud patrol]

this week? yeah a bit hard cuz quaking

[vagrant relic]

charge, the second charge, the red charge, leap

warriors are immune to that stuff

[dusky canopy]

The absolute worst is jade temple water boss with 5 melee this week

[loud patrol]

tbh with melee i feel that boss easier

just move around