protection

[ionic fern]

You can run past them all.

[jagged pier]

well its easier to see shockwave damage than the other damage TR gives u

but 🤷

[limpid anchor]

You kinda have to if you want to skip sentinels

Unless you do bulls as well

[jade panther]

anyway was just popping SW getting some aggro up then kitting them after getting midhealth

[ionic fern]

I always do bulls.

Also..is it me or does the beer not work in HoV anymore?

[sick sentinel]

i had figured this would be an okay way to pull speaking of hov wolves

[jade panther]

bulls feel pretty good, only my rogue complains^^

[ionic fern]

Throw it on the middle pack..walk past..they still aggro to you later.

[ionic fern]

Yogi, don't.

[limpid anchor]

How do I not get onetapped by the bulls :(

[ionic fern]

CC and run.

[pulsar sedge]

Kite them?

[limpid anchor]

Bears are fine, bulls are too much for me

[sick sentinel]

my key is a 7 but, im very confused how your supposed to get bears bottom right and i saw other peoples routes that were similiar, not inlcuding top orange wolves (2 of them)

[pulsar sedge]

Just smack the bulls and walk away from the stomp

[limpid anchor]

But I also run with a meele comp, they can’t do dps during bulls

[pulsar sedge]

Use Shockwave

Use stops.

[sick sentinel]

i dont know if all the mobs in the section are yellow dont attack

[uneven mason]

That shockwave build is pretty chonky

[sick sentinel]

but its confusing me how youd get the bears and not everything else

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[ionic fern]

Just..run past everything?

.....

[pulsar sedge]

It promotes bad game play tho... using a stop for dmg on cd is bad

[uneven mason]

Yesh

[sick sentinel]

i skipped literally all of legion as well

many, many gaps in my knowledge

[jade panther]

yo i was actually pulling all the wolves after fenrir dead

so 8 worlves

[uneven mason]

I've had to use it for interrupting because pug life

[jade panther]

then kiting them

coz i got hunt and rogue

but melee pugs get killed^^

[jade panther]

xd

[pulsar sedge]

Using Shockwave for interrupts or stops is good 😉 but using it on that Shockwave dmg build is meh

[limpid anchor]

Shockwave is cool tho

[mossy gulch]

can someone teach me how to use raidbots to sim my prot warrior? 🙂 i have only ever simmed dps chars and that was 2 expansions ago 😦

i could use some pointers

[limpid anchor]

Same@as dps

[sick sentinel]

what is it that the wolves do that is going to make them unpullable

[edgy spear]

Raidbots is only useable for dps

[uneven mason]

I mean if I'm using it for interrupts almost on cd I might as well do 60,000 DMG per target

[limpid anchor]

They jump on dps and oneshot

Also, they can oneshot you as well

[jade panther]

aight to my questions, is there like a "perfect timing for Spell reflect" ? i tried it on mini hyrja and got one tapped (popped it like 2 sec before frontal hit)

[pulsar sedge]

And make mobs immune to cc? Sure... you do that

[mossy gulch]

how do you sim your defensive performance in order to get reasonable upgrades?

[edgy spear]

They randomly do a shit ton of dmg to group members or you. If you get 3 bites in a row and dont have a defensive up you're dead

[ionic fern]

Depends what you want to SIM. Quick Sim? Top gear? Droptimizer?

[edgy spear]

ilvl >>>>

[ionic fern]

Pins, there's a reflect sheet. Check that.

[mossy gulch]

i am looking to get an overview of my best options to upgrade my gear. basically i want to know what m+ to spam for upgrades.

[edgy spear]

Just target ilvl

[ionic fern]

You can only sim for DPS, not for defensive.

[jade panther]

nothing if ur melee never stand in front of wolves and as long as ur not in range they can't hit melees

[edgy spear]

All secondaries give some form of defensive value but ilvl is more secondaries, and importantly, more armor/str/stam

[uneven mason]

Defensive upgrades are easy ilvl > yes

[mossy gulch]

okay 🙂

[limpid anchor]

They only jump when the tank is close?

[jade panther]

yes

melee range

if u stand over 7 yards 0 risks

if melee are behind the pack

[lilac jay]

Hi Guys. I sometimes struggle to get aggro vs. 1 Monk in my Grp. But i cant only dps in high keys after Charge -> TC no? i need to use defensives? or how is it done? is it the monks fault for not waiting 2 seconds?

[strong forum]

you can sidestep it lol

no reason to tank that hit

[jade panther]

iknow

wanted to try for hyrja

[slim dove]

It's also not reflectable

[jade panther]

yes just saw that

[strong forum]

hyrja you just need to layer defensives

[primal hound]

you walk out of it. just sidestep

[slim dove]

On low keys I chase my dh friend around with it

[jade panther]

yep got one tapped in 16 coz i didnt SW after SB and SR and my healer was like 'VRANK ?'

[primal hound]

for the add before hyria

[pulsar sedge]

She leaps. You charge to her a d spin her away from group. Then sidestep the stabby stab

And*

[primal hound]

Is BrV still buggy?

[edgy spear]

Use spell reflect. Doesnt reflect but gives 20% DR to spells.

[jade panther]

other quick question, i struggle with my Shield block uptime. Should i SC on pulls when it's up for safety as i'm going into higher keys ?

[strong forum]

play HR

[jade panther]

ik i was doing it, was just live testing reflect xd

[slim dove]

I literally SC on CD.

[strong forum]

and youll never have to struggle with SB uptime

[sick sentinel]

see, like, i don't mind to do this pulling, but im not sure the pathing i use to do so like from what direction pulled to where type of thing

[strong forum]

and yeah SC on CD

[slim dove]

Just tryna PUMP

[edgy spear]

Pool rage at end of pulls if SB is gonna run out before next pack

[slim dove]

Can't let dps get that #1 overall

[fluid shard]

man i really want to get battering ram in, is Thunderlord the only viable swap? (M+)

[ionic fern]

You can take battering instead of TL also.

[primal hound]

i do dragon, then 1 bull with Valkyr trash pack before fenrir

[jade panther]

y been trying to keep that in mind. I'm baffled by how much my brain works as a war compared to my good ol' dh^^

[edgy spear]

Is the dragon good count? Been trying to skip it the last few runs

[strong forum]

dragon is shit

[pulsar sedge]

Hard to skip tho

[sick sentinel]

dragon is listed at 2.96%

[edgy spear]

nah its easy

stand still, one guy runs forward 5 yards to activate it then back

[urban bane]

For AA tree boss, when do the small adds actually respond to threat? I keep having issues where one or two stray adds melee a player and just absolutely dome them. Is it at the end of the uproot spell or w/e it is called?

[edgy spear]

and then you just run right around it

[pulsar sedge]

Your pugs will ass pull it 99% of the time going in or out

[primal hound]

true

[edgy spear]

Only been doing it with friends/guild

[pulsar sedge]

Pugged all but CoS on 11s so far... and I do almost 0 skips or fancy shit. Pugs are dumb 😉

[jade panther]

allright, other question, i can overcap on IP right ? so should i dump rage into it during pulls or try to manage it and only it it when IP going down ?

[pulsar sedge]

Makes life easy when all I need them to do is press w and kill shit I pull

[ionic fern]

Yes, you can overcap IP. It's way better than overcapping Rage.

[sick sentinel]

after the healing tree add does 2 casts, adds animate. have your entire party stack after that add spawns (the brown swirl for it is large, and theere is only 1 as aopposed to many

[pulsar sedge]

Use aoe taunt on first add wave. Roar on second. You should be fine on threat then

[sick sentinel]

aoe "phase 1" the plant adds, single target/interupt "phase 2" with the healing tree

[urban bane]

Yeah it literally is just one or two which may have spawned out of range or whatever. bleh.

[sick sentinel]

if the group spreads the adds everywhere, its total GG

thats like literal his win condition

[idle summit]

Morning, new in this prot tank thing. I wanted to know which stats should I look

[pulsar sedge]

Just pump ilvl.

A +10 Ilvl increase is better than losing a specific stat

[sick sentinel]

bull says it does 273k dmg

you sure i want to pull them lol

[idle summit]

ty ty

[pulsar sedge]

Just kite the bull...and cc it

[slim dove]

What the ability says or what details said it hit you for?

[oblique garnet]

Cant skip it

[strong forum]

can skip it

[oblique garnet]

Do tell

It just insta aggroes as soon as you go without shroud

[strong forum]

just dont walk forward when you enter

no it doesnt

stand still

[oblique garnet]

Yes

it does

[strong forum]

go to the right

bro i can show you on video

u sure?

[oblique garnet]

Show

[limpid anchor]

It doesn’t pull

Only if you move

Unless you identify as a stag

[strong forum]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1682436006?t=02h29m41s

[oblique garnet]

[strong forum]

just dont walk forward

😄

[oblique garnet]

I knew that it doesnt aggro if you go right but thought you couldnt get past without killing it

[sick sentinel]

that looks like that will be a standard skip once us normal players learn how it works

[strong forum]

ye

once more people know about it

[severe hatch]

So the AA Tree boss... felt an absolutely monumental difference between 12 and 13. On the 13 we are stacking to cluster add spawns, chaining AoE stops as much as possible, popping all CDs + BL, and wiping with a solid 290k group dps

On 12, easy walk through the park, +2 the key np

[strong forum]

kill the ancient branch (healing add) insta

[severe hatch]

We did to clear stacks

[strong forum]

and then coordinate CDs

[severe hatch]

Still ripperoni

[strong forum]

using it to clear stacks is bad

cuz youre likely to kill the healing add when small adds are up

and youll end up topping those adds

[severe hatch]

So do I not go for the circle and just kite?

[strong forum]

if the adds are low HP, yes get them out of the circle

https://youtu.be/ZywNIm5ASVM?t=271

if you check here

thats how we did it with 5 tanks

[sick sentinel]

thats why im heavily advocating for the stack on tree boss AA, everything is all together you can kill them before the branch comes out possibly and then its much easier to kill before it can do some BS

[severe hatch]

I'll give it a watch when I'm back home, appreciate it

[strong forum]

and you do the exact same in normal comps

we just have less dmg to burn adds and boss so its takes a bit more coordination

[lucid pasture]

You guys Are fried

Still fried

I mean

[inland raft]

A bit off topoc but how are hpals this season? I have a pally one trick friend thinking of coming back to game

[balmy gate]

What timer addon is that and what does the +/- times on boss kills mean? Is it compared to your previous/best runs or something?

[strong forum]

its the m+ timer weakaura from reloe

i just modified the looks of it a bit

[regal pier]

So I know right now stats are hard to come by, but with haste being so important for Prot is taking Into the Fray better or heavy repercussions?

[strong forum]

ITF gets better the more haste you have

i myself permanently play HR cuz ive died more than once due to gaps of SB because of ITF

CBA that struggle just to do 7% more aoe dmg

[limpid anchor]

Mobs hit too hard for gaps :(

But why does itf scale better the more haste you have? My brain is too small

[strong forum]

cuz the more haste you have, the lower your SB CD

[regal pier]

I think I have like 3400 haste but without ITF I feel like I can’t keep up ignore pain along with shield block due to rage issues

[strong forum]

if you have low haste, ITF will not be enough to cover your gaps

and its a % modifier

[modern brook]

Its multiplicative

[strong forum]

thats an l2p issue not an itf issue

are you by chance playing barbaric training?

[regal pier]

Yes I am

[strong forum]

cuz that shit will rage starve you real quick

yeah stop playing that

[regal pier]

God damn you’re a wizard

[hazy bronze]

RIP bloodsurge

[strong forum]

all your rage starvation will be lifted

if you stop playing that

[regal pier]

No that perhaps changed my entire gameplay right there

[strong forum]

yeah it will

[edgy grail]

16 TOJS was spicyyyy

[inland raft]

Youll have so much rage without it

[regal pier]

There are points in a fight where I can’t keep up ignore or sb because there’s no rage

[edgy grail]

I guess my only option is to kite the last pack 😔

[inland raft]

Once we have a lot of haste will itf become standard?

[strong forum]

if you have around 35% haste before ITF

youll be fine to play it in keys

[regal pier]

Nomer what do you put points into instead?

[strong forum]

without much SB downtime

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1054167866892632064/image.png

i play this

instead of pain and gain you can get titanic throw

for super easy time on leashing packs

[inland raft]

Thats what i do, i love titanic for gathering

[strong forum]

and playing battering ram will also help you alot with rage gen

and gives you alot more dmg in ST/low target count

[stone condor]

the trinket from kurog is it any good for def tanks ?

[strong forum]

all totem?

[stone condor]

yes

[strong forum]

suuper good in m+

[regal pier]

That’s fantastic

[strong forum]

bad in raid unless you tank alot of adds

[stone condor]

perfekt

thanks guys

[edgy grail]

I got the crit trinket from SBG and it sims pretty shit

Is it that bad?

[regal pier]

Do you hold shield charge for important interupts? Or because it does so much damage you use it on cd?

[strong forum]

CDs on CD

[sick sentinel]

im considering attempting to go to some raid tonight

[edgy grail]

398 Sims only like 500 dps higher than 373

[strong forum]

500dps is a considerable amount

for a trinket

[edgy grail]

2% for 25 ilvl?

[strong forum]

toe is a good send and forget trinket

yeah?

thats normal lol

its 1 item

[edgy grail]

Yea I guess I was just comparing it to the gain on fury

And it’s ridic there

Like 7-8%?

[high drum]

you need to spec non-prot loot for toe right

i was wondering why i didnt get it in 10 runs 😔

[edgy grail]

Think so yea

I have a shield already that I crafted

[balmy gate]

Is it more damage than bloodborne?

[edgy grail]

So I’m always either in fury spec or arms spec depending on if the dungeon has 1H or not

[strong forum]

lmao yes

bloodborne is garbage for dmg

[balmy gate]

what does your overall damage distribution look like?

[high drum]

single or multi

tclap and revenge high in dun duns otherwise shield slam is king

[strong forum]

CoS+18

[high drum]

higher key less mobs per pull i guess, and cos aint exactly aoe central

[strong forum]

AA+16

[balmy gate]

is slicing maelstrom the cos trinket?

[strong forum]

ye

[high drum]

yes

[balmy gate]

seems juicy

[high drum]

trash for raid

great for m+

[strong forum]

5min 5 targets

Bloodborne is less dmg than battering ram

[edgy grail]

Is dslice any good for prot?

[strong forum]

wouldnt trust it

[balmy gate]

fair enough, just asked since I saw a few people running it when looking at the top m+ runs atm

[strong forum]

yeah cuz theyre baited into it

like many others

[spark cedar]

whats that glacial fury thing

[strong forum]

phial

[sick sentinel]

am i just stupid or did you remove the video where you were showing how to skip the dragon

[strong forum]

no i didnt remove it

its on twitch

not on youtube

[sick sentinel]

was going to watch to try to see how you pulled rest of that room

[strong forum]

bloodborne at first glance looks good, but if you crunch some numbers and weigh your options, its a huge bait talent

it gets better the worse you are at dealing damage

[balmy gate]

do you not miss thunderlord with that build btw or do you just use it once every pull?

[strong forum]

TL desyncs CDs from demo shout

[edgy grail]

What is a decent passive trinket for prot? They all seem omega garbage

[strong forum]

rumbling ruby, all-totem, trample from nokhud

[ornate thunder]

Is scale any good?

[strong forum]

turtle shell obv strong

i dont like scale tbh

1ppm on a 60k absorb?

pretty whack

[balmy gate]

how is the nokhud trinket for damage?

[high drum]

not terrible imo, but its main upside is the hps

oh nvm u mean the centaur

its ok single

[edgy grail]

What is the full name for the turtle shell sorry?

Cant find it on wowhead

[balmy gate]

nono i mean the enduring scale

[ivory cairn]

lariat + 1h is solid right? I want to start crafting <.<

[high drum]

primal ritual shell

[edgy grail]

Is that like the workd quest one?

Ahh from rares

Oooff

[balmy gate]

we get another spark in a week, not really a big deal to craft the "wrong" item imo

[inland raft]

Isnt shell from doing key farm?

[high drum]

i made a food ring and its great

https://i.imgur.com/Vz67xxl.png

🤤

[ornate thunder]

I can't decide if I wannt be cheap or get more dmg

[edgy grail]

You can do both

[ornate thunder]

seems like people are all just cheap

[edgy grail]

There is a guy in Tichondrius crafting lariat for free 😂

[deft pagoda]

What's the best thing to craft outside of Lariat ?

[balmy gate]

What a chad

[edgy grail]

Shield Weap

He was charging 5k until he made back the 9m from the pattern

[hasty echo]

I probably miss something at a certain point... arent' we going for haste versa? why we are crafting/enchanting crit?

[ornate thunder]

wouldn't you want potion extension and barbs

rather than food for pure dmg

[edgy grail]

Now he is crafting for free to screw over the people charging 50k each

[high drum]

CRIT GANG 👑

[inland raft]

We already tanky enough

[edgy grail]

I mean def not 😂

Most people are prob like 390 ilvl

And it still gets spicy in keys at that ilvl

[sweet summit]

not rly

[high drum]

just parry lol

[ornate thunder]

outside temple does anyone take dmg in a dungeon, lol

[slim dove]

Nah most are 375-385 judging by the dps that sign up for my groups

[tacit widget]

Hay guys, wich gems should i socket into my Lariat?

[sweet summit]

i haven't done all keys, but the ones i've done at like 18 have not been bad
if i die it's because i fucked up

[inland raft]

Im 379 and have yet to feel like im in pain outside temple and last boss rbl when healer misses a dispel and take a suped up tank buster

[high drum]

usually ur grp is dead long before you are

[hasty echo]

i'm actually 386 in m+ what my group is missing are interrupts/stuns XD

and yes, if I die i probably fucked up something

[tropic sundial]

Is this trinket any good?

[high drum]

no

[hasty echo]

most of the time ppl die and i'll stay still tanking waiting them to come back

[ivory cairn]

what about the whelp? got a 385

[lilac delta]

so true, I'm using that turtle ring with healing to help the group a bit lol

[inland raft]

Ya 99% if die its cuz I royally fucked up like standing in a stun or something brain dead

[hasty echo]

I have it with dmg buff... but in vocal chat I always say something like: do not focus on me, keeps other alive.

[high drum]

thundering makes me want intervene

[plush tendon]

you can still take it without losing too much

[strong forum]

yeah same

[idle inlet]

intervene is made for thundering affix

[high drum]

i feel like most of the time its okay because either a melee clears with you or everyone but you clears

[edgy grail]

Intervene is insane on last boss temple

[high drum]

but the times when its a ranged who just chills forever it would be so nice

[edgy grail]

Shit trucks your teammates while you just afk

[past parrot]

Any advice or tips on surviving 4-5 stacks of the Zephyr Slam on heroic? Finding I am getting yetted off the platform or getting a big one shot at 5 stacks

[high drum]

tank swap no?

[plush tendon]

be quick on the charge

or leap

[past parrot]

co tank is on the add platform

[sick sentinel]

am i supposed to walk like this do white line after the boss for towards pull 22 and out the door?

if im doing dragon route, with bears, i guess? this is pka pug route anyway

[solar blade]

yes

[limpid anchor]

Depends if you want to skip sentinels tho

[solar blade]

i use the plka route

[shadow sun]

What are you guys using to keep track of the other tanks debuffs during raids?

[tropic sundial]

https://wago.io/dfcotank1

[sick sentinel]

okay i'll attempt this 7 halls key soon after reset

just want to run 2 keys today for second reward so long as they aren't hell to run

[limpid anchor]

The wa or default raid frames

[lyric elm]

try to get good dps players for halls, they make or break it

timer tight

[plush tendon]

wait, you guys aren't just rerolling and doing only Shadowmoon?

[edgy grail]

We pull everything up to the dragon and lust

[inland raft]

Havnt even done shadowmoon yet, is it the easiest one?

[edgy grail]

Saves us about a minute

[sick sentinel]

what are we dropping for intervene

[edgy grail]

By far

[sick sentinel]

m+ dungeon build

[limpid anchor]

By far

Smb is such a joke

[edgy grail]

Depends on group if Im playing with my normal group

I drop storm bolt

But we play dh rogue ww

So infinite stuns already

[sick sentinel]

id want to drop intimidating shout or bolt probably

[plush tendon]

SMB is soo good

[edgy grail]

Is it good?

[plush tendon]

we keep getting 15s of that, then doing whatever 17 or 16 we get

[edgy grail]

Or just easy lol

[sonic wadi]

its a cozy dungeon too

[sick sentinel]

super mario brothers? hell yeah, thats a great game

[plush tendon]

^

super cozy

better then RLP

[sonic wadi]

only the mind control mob pulls are annoying everything else is nice

[edgy grail]

It’s Zzzzzz

[plush tendon]

where's everyone asshole is just getting hammered

[tepid coral]

dont kick em and they dont mc

[plush tendon]

^

tech

[sick sentinel]

SMBg a bit reminds me of lvl 2 super mario

[lyric elm]

the dominators?

[tepid coral]

y

[lyric elm]

pro

[edgy grail]

Yea no cc on those

[sonic wadi]

I know this but most people dont XD

[sick sentinel]

under the ground in a cave dark and whatever

[edgy grail]

They get 100% more health but still easy

[tepid coral]

say before you pull em

[plush tendon]

My other favorite is Academy

[craggy pilot]

@strong forum u said you dont run Thunderlord, do you also skip out on BV? 🤔

[lucid pasture]

My favorite is turned off pc

Or delete the game as I would usually say

[edgy grail]

I like temple besides the last pack lol

[plush tendon]

[edgy grail]

That needs work

[plush tendon]

Temple is meh to me

not scary for tank

[limpid anchor]

He linked his build before

[lucid pasture]

I tanked Temple 2nd Last boss as fury once

Kinda pog

[plush tendon]

but everyones got to be on point

or they die

[craggy pilot]

didnt see, where did he link?

[sick sentinel]

i cant remember what nomer was railing on about, but something about " FBV, BV or BSV doesn't work"

[lyric elm]

temple is good because you'll be able to determine if the group is good or not on the first boss

[edgy grail]

Its easy to carry temple as tank

Just call all kicks

[lucid pasture]

No you wont

Because Wash away is glitchy asf

[plush tendon]

No amount of calling kicks will save you from the water XD

[lyric elm]

ok buddy

[lucid pasture]

That shit does not work correctky

[lyric elm]

just do everything right

[sick sentinel]

i want to say its that the IP one wasn't working correctly or the bleed one, but not real sure

[lucid pasture]

Thats toxic

[lyric elm]

[craggy pilot]

if i have a 14 key, and i time someone else 14 key, can i rotate my key? or do i have to time a 15 to rotate it?

[plush tendon]

you can rotate on equal or higher key level

thats what we do; keep changing 15s to avoid the shit dungeons like RLP

[safe tundra]

Anything I seem to be missing regarding stat weights? Looks pretty mixed between haste/vers haste/mast on the Lariate neck, also seems to be a fair number of m+ wars not even crafting neck

[edgy grail]

Ive never had a problem with the water even before they “fixed” it

Maybe Im just lucky

I have over 10 runs there this week

[plush tendon]

You can do Haste and whatever; I think the haste mastery is cause they fury sometimes

Or you can haste crit

[uneven mason]

We don't do stat weights

[plush tendon]

or haste vers

just have haste

[edgy grail]

The reality is

It doesn’t matter

That’s why everyone has different shit

[uneven mason]

Haste Crit is pumpers

Haste vers is ok

[sick sentinel]

imagine a veto system for keystones, you just select the key you don't want to get, for that week and it turns into a 1% chance to turn into that key instead of higher normal value, pay 5000 gold to activate the feature each week

[plush tendon]

Haste Crit is for chads, Haste Vers is for people who follow the guide, and Haste Mastery for fury guys

[uneven mason]

Haste mastery if you want to use the same gear for fury

[severe steeple]

imagine choosing freely what to play, like other games are doing since multiplayer was invented

i can log in with my friends on CSGO and we can play whatever map we want as much as we like

but on wow....

[edgy grail]

You can’t do that in COD 👀

[uneven mason]

Part of the challenge is the random keys

[edgy grail]

Yep

What I want to see is keystones not depleting

[sick sentinel]

going even further back to 1993 doom, not only are you able to code in and make custom levels and monsters and share them online and play others mods, but you are even like, encouraged to do so by the people that orginally made it

[plush tendon]

If keystones didnt deplete on us putting them in, we would see a lot higher key pushing

[edgy grail]

I think that isn’t really needed

Yes and what is wrong with that?

[plush tendon]

nothing

[sick sentinel]

there are still tons and tons of doom wads being made and played

[plush tendon]

just a observation

[inland raft]

Diablo rift system on a per dungeon basis, can always enter highest unlocked in a dungeon

[plush tendon]

Maybe takes a bit of the pressure away when you got that big key

and you got one shot

[edgy grail]

🫠

[plush tendon]

but I wouldnt mind it

[sick sentinel]

my view on depleting is that should be when you are 5 to 10 minutes over the key, but it only ever depletes 1 time,

you cant just make it go from 20 to a 3

[plush tendon]

would allow for some very good progression stuff in keys

and practice

[edgy grail]

The practice part is what I like

[plush tendon]

but it might get degenerate

Could always just have practice mode?

[edgy grail]

Right now we sign up for TR just so we can practice over and over

[severe steeple]

oh no, degenerate things in wow

[sick sentinel]

i think if you are within 5 minutes of completing a keystone, it should stay at that level and change to another dungeon

[ionic roost]

I mean that's just a worse version than what most people suggest, which is just copy/paste the greater rift UI from d3 in for keys.

[plush tendon]

Im thinking like, you do a big pull at the start, you get through it but one person dies so you reset and redo

[heavy hawk]

Question: Do we take the strenght+haste epic gem or just ignore that and go for pure haste?

[uneven mason]

STR is nice

[craggy pilot]

ofc take str lol

str > secondary stat

[uneven mason]

STR is armor

[plush tendon]

everyone should pretty much use the epic gem

[uneven mason]

STR is damage

[plush tendon]

its really strong, but it is expensive right now

[severe steeple]

if you could chose what key you play you could get all the practice you want
when you go over the same thing again it clicks, like raid fights
when you make a mistake on dungeon A you can't go again straight cause you need a keystone
you might need to go through 4-5 dungs until you can do that part again and try to make it right

[plush tendon]

It would be interesting

Depends if you want that extra pressure of only one chance or the ability to reset and redo until you get it

[edgy grail]

I think it would shorten the play time of the season maybe

[uneven mason]

It would

[plush tendon]

I think people would have done much higher keys this first week

[sick sentinel]

i think if there is a major malfunction in the group in the first 3 minutes you should get a vote option to muilligan and restart or disband with no penalty

[plush tendon]

if you could just recycle over and over again

[severe steeple]

also choosing what key you play would lower toxicity, at least a tiny bit

[sick sentinel]

is another alternitave to vetoing keys

[plush tendon]

I dont like the option to choose keys; I think being forced in some way to do every dungeon is fine

[tawdry lynx]

Both myself and another dude in my guild are both brand new to tanking this expansion. We're doing pretty fine mechanically speaking but I'm having an issue of pulling aggro from him after taunt swaps, occasionally resulting in fucked tank swaps that lead to wipes.

On kills I'm putting in 90% or above damage parses to his ~60%. Is there something we're missing here or is it just a damage discrepancy?

[limpid anchor]

Or just be careful with whom you play. Pugging is part of an mmo

[plush tendon]

and the reroll option is pretty good compromise

[plush tendon]

watch yo threat

help him do more damage

[tawdry lynx]

ya just backing of DPS seems stupid but i guess ill have tto

[sick sentinel]

keystone can be inserted to dungeon A or B could be cool as well.

[plush tendon]

What is he playing?

[tawdry lynx]

Blood DK

[plush tendon]

and are you about evenly geared?

[limpid anchor]

Nah he just needs to be better

Check logs with him

[tawdry lynx]

I'm about 4 ilvl higher

Will do thanks for the feedback

[limpid anchor]

But gimping yourself and the raid dmg seems like a bandaid solution

To adjust to a shitty player

[plush tendon]

You do what you need to do to kill a boss though

[limpid anchor]

Instead of permanently fixing the issue

[plush tendon]

at least, in the moment

[tawdry lynx]

Can't really adjust my DPS because we're already carrying other poor souls lol

[limpid anchor]

Ye temporary you can do that

[plush tendon]

Also, hes a DK, so if he loses threat a quick death grip retaunts

[tawdry lynx]

good to know

[sick sentinel]

is there a reset for NA soon?

i want to wait on that first if its not gon e out

[limpid anchor]

Does grip count as taunt - for taunt immunity?

[sick sentinel]

yes

deathgrip is 100% a taunt as well

[limpid anchor]

So even if he does that

You might have issues taunting back

[noble lynx]

taunt dr falls off fast

end its 3 taunts

[limpid anchor]

Idk we had the issue that I couldn’t taunt once or twice yesterday

As I pulled aggro and co tank had to retaunt

[plush tendon]

We are playing double prot war

no aggro issues over here

[dusky canopy]

When I’m doing 20k plus and the DK is doing 8k

[plush tendon]

DK is doing something wrong

like 100%

[dusky canopy]

We know it’s new to him

[plush tendon]

Though, DK is kind of sick this raid

with all the knocks and movement impairing shit

[edgy grail]

They need to go hit a target dummy with a guide opeb

8k is almost like AA only

[uneven mason]

What do you mean I can't just spam howling blast?

[dusky canopy]

LIL

[plush tendon]

FOOL

this aint classic

[limpid anchor]

8k is really really low

[uneven mason]

I'd ask if they have their fishing pole equipped

But that's not even a thing

[plush tendon]

Somethings he might not be doing; keeping icy talons up by spending runic power, not standing in DND or making sure one is down all the time

not popping Tombstone and DRW on CD

overcapping boneshields (need more heartstrike)

[uneven mason]

We're talking raid Right?

[limpid anchor]

Does he work on his issues or are you trying to fix the problem?

[plush tendon]

I mean, thats in general

M+ and raid

You could prob hold DRW till you actively tanking

[uneven mason]

Because in m+ my bdk is slapping

[plush tendon]

BDK does decent damage

not as high as my warrior

but its better then it has been in the past XD

[uneven mason]

Yeah

[plush tendon]

without a busted tier set

I gotta run some DK and Paladin keys tonight

but I also need one more 16 for two 415 choices on my war.... why do I have work today 😦

[uneven mason]

I could be running keys

But my work has been starting to monitor how long between inputs

Which is some scummy crap

[safe tundra]

Yeah I don’t mean stat weights directly but I thought prot war was mainly haste>vers so some of the haste>mastery necks were a bit confusing unless there’s something I was missing

[craggy pilot]

🤔 wtf

[limpid anchor]

Auto clicker

[plush tendon]

Do they not see you inputting all those Shield Slams?

[high drum]

have u heard of our lord and saviour critical strike

[plush tendon]

kind of sus

[safe tundra]

I’m getting into DF a bit late, wasn’t going to play but I’ve heard prot is like S4 of BFA busted so I’ll try it

Can say I don’t think I’ve dropped below 98% hp just doing heroics in scrub gear, pretty pumped to try some m+

[plush tendon]

Prot isnt BFA levels of busted

but its probably the best all around tank and really fun to play

and heroics and M0s are kind of a joke

[safe tundra]

Yeah that’s still good to hear, taking a tier off of raiding for the first time since OG TBC, kind of just want to meme around m+

[plush tendon]

M+ aint bad, but I feel like it ramps up in difficulty much quicker

Especially with 20 being the new 15

[tame jasper]

8% instead of 5% from 10 on I think

[tame jasper]

no not so far

[edgy grail]

He means reward levels

[plush tendon]

Yea

[tame jasper]

https://www.wowhead.com/de/news/impact-of-new-mythic-scaling-in-dragonflight-10-scaling-starting-at-keystone-11-329269

[marble cipher]

Does anyone know if the panda double food racial stacks with the double food embellishment?

[edgy grail]

The modifiers don’t really mean anything

In terms of comparing difficulty

[safe tundra]

Yeah I’ll need to see, lot of guildlies complaining about m+ but the normal group I run with has been getting their 16s in fine it sounds like

[edgy grail]

Since you have to account for the m0 damage which is what is scaled

[plush tendon]

Thats pretty much the deal now

I run with a lot of 'get your weekly 15 key gamers' who now have to go 5 key levels up

and then a handful of guys who want to actually push

[safe tundra]

Yeah that’s the vast majority of my old guild

[plush tendon]

Now we gotta drag everyone up to a 20 key

for the raid

[safe tundra]

Only did it for greatvault slot and then there was 4 of us that pushed as high as we could the first couple weeks

[plush tendon]

The good thing at least this raid has a couple of free bosses

[safe tundra]

Biggest meme was timing a lower kara 20 week 1 while watching them complain that 11 was overturned lol (that’s obviously different than a s1 where no one has busted items)

[plush tendon]

and I like only have 8 to do

[safe tundra]

Is it more, “this unavoidable damage is overtuned”

Or if I step in this I just die

[tame jasper]

Glad you have a grp 🙂 I only have 2 to 3 man, but the third is not one you can keep until higher keys and one of the others only has few hours per week due family 😦

[uneven mason]

Do mechanics or explode

[safe tundra]

Regardless I think they got it tuned right if the vast majority are complaining it’s too hard week 1 because it’s supposed to be tuned relative to mythic raid for comparable ilvl?

[plush tendon]

100%

not everyone should be getting to 15s or 16s week one

[tame jasper]

and because they dont play affixes

[plush tendon]

hell, even 20s you gotta be a real gamer

[tame jasper]

had an AA grp yesterday

[uneven mason]

Literally always the case

[tame jasper]

mage didnt play thudnerigng

enhancer didnt even played quaking

so easy 14 key deplete

[limpid anchor]

Would still argue that certain bosses are overtuned

[safe tundra]

Yeah I mean regardless a s1 is always going to be your hardest szn (assuming same dungeon pool) you’re going in with mainly quest gear and maybe 1 raid clear

[plush tendon]

RLP can rot in hell

[uneven mason]

The gameplay in df has been so smooth that people feel like it's end of xpac and don't understand the power curve

[limpid anchor]

Especially bcs it’s fort and not even tyr

[safe tundra]

S2 you’ll enter with a 4 set and maybe some busted trinkets/weps and most routes down

[tame jasper]

yea

[uneven mason]

No routs

[plush tendon]

Our characters feel good to play

so we like 'oh, we geared'

[uneven mason]

S2 is a completely different selection of dungeons

[plush tendon]

then we get minced when we go to high

[safe tundra]

I miss kyrian spear, doesn’t look like any prot warriors are running it 😦

About my only thing lol

[plush tendon]

you can run it; just not as a good as roar

[safe tundra]

Yeah for sure

[plush tendon]

but not totally troll to run it

[safe tundra]

Major hurdle is figuring out this crafting system…

[brittle garnet]

Is there a weakaura like this https://wago.io/SpellReflectionTracker for Dragonflight?

[plush tendon]

Right now it seems that the Elemental Larient neck is like the 'best thing to craft'

after that, I would just save a spark and see what you end up needing to make your toon as strong as possible

[safe tundra]

Yeah I think I’m going MH with second

[plush tendon]

thats what I did

[safe tundra]

Also need to figure out how to get a spark lol

[plush tendon]

Every two weeks

[safe tundra]

I dinged last night and did most things I think

[plush tendon]

the main storyline shouldve shown ya

[edgy grail]

Its in valdraken

[odd iron]

Hello, Hunger of the pack VS Granyths Enduring Scale VS Hunger of the pack, all same ilvl, whats preferrable for m+?

[edgy grail]

The engine or whatever

[plush tendon]

its 1 spark every two weeks (we at 2 right now) and then after like 5 sparks it becomes a rare drop

[safe tundra]

Yeah I did the main quest line up until unlocking WQs

[plush tendon]

and you can catch up whenever

[safe tundra]

Next step is like rep locked or something

[craggy pilot]

is it still the "best thing to craft" after the nerf?

[safe tundra]

I’ll take a bigger look

[plush tendon]

I think so?

Nothing wrong with a well itemized neck with socket

[safe tundra]

Yeah I just noticed that there is a haste/vers neck from m+ I think

So was debating just going MH/Shield

[plush tendon]

You can do whatever you want

in two weeks you can make a third piece

[craggy pilot]

i agreee, but the difference now is smaller than it was before, where it was already small 😄

so i feel its way more like "make whatever makes the most sense in your own case"

[plush tendon]

True

[safe tundra]

Yee I’m just a bit behind so trying to optimize. Might see what I get from first vault and go from there

[plush tendon]

In reality, you just gotta make something at some point

spent way too much time earlier this week being like 'omg, whats BiS crafted.... omg need to min max'

[craggy pilot]

yep, i waited too long with crafting belt, and now i got a 392 belt, and it almost doesnt make sense to craft it now 😄

[uneven mason]

I just want a crafted neck because I still have a 359

[craggy pilot]

so thing is, if youre waiting for Price to drop on Neck, then probably better to craft something else

[craggy pilot]

thats a good point about it though, but the Lariat is gonna be expensive

[plush tendon]

What I learned (and I havnt crafted it yet) if the person is advertising to make the neck for 75k, just send him a work order for like 20k

he'll do it

[deft vessel]

random question - what phials do you people use in raid (razsageth) and m+?

[plush tendon]

this is what my guildies did

[plush tendon]

glacial fury

[craggy pilot]

sometimes i did accept an order cus i thought the price was the same, and then after i thought "wait how much gold did i just get?" and theres no way to double check 🤣

[deft vessel]

but then you get one proc at the start of combat and that's it until a new target, of which there aren't that many, not where it matters (razsageth herself)

[plush tendon]

Razsageth (at least on normal) aint gonna be won or lost by tank damage

most of our wipes came from the ---- ++++ mech

gotta send the raid back to Nax

[craggy pilot]

Lariat compared to Wrist or Belt is probably 0.1% more dps or some shit anyway 🤣

we cant even properly sim it yet

[plush tendon]

yet people are buying the recipe for literal gold cap

[deft vessel]

oh hm, I misread glacial fury, nvm

[craggy pilot]

well because of RWF

and Mythic raid guilds etc

[plush tendon]

I think you are better off as a guild just having everyone spend 75K for the craft itself

then spending 9mil on a recipe

[craggy pilot]

dont rly think a lot of guilds benefit from paying for the recipe at all

should just craft some other items tbh

[plush tendon]

I need to craft my engineering bracers

so I can use the flamethrower

[craggy pilot]

i heard flamethrower is bait

it is channeled

[plush tendon]

Yea, but its a flamethrower

[craggy pilot]

i would rather get a CR 😄

[plush tendon]

we used it on the tree boss

it did like a million damage

its pretty nutty

if you can just channel it

of course it could malfunction

[craggy pilot]

lol 🤣

sounds crazy

if theres no dmg cap

[plush tendon]

it does a lot

hell, our rogue used it on the add plateform on Dethea

500k

Easy gains

[craggy pilot]

i would assume it was like 50k dmg or so 😄

[plush tendon]

nope 500k

well 492k

it did malfunction on him one pull though, which basically just means you dead

[craggy pilot]

lol

maybe bad as tank then 🤣

[plush tendon]

but with mechanical mind and tinker stuff, you can get the chance pretty low

[craggy pilot]

what if im n ot Eng?

[plush tendon]

IDK

its still the wildwest out here

[ornate thunder]

Doesn't even hurt as a tank, I use it all the time

when it explodes you take like 20k dmg

the knock up is annoying though

[craggy pilot]

guess ill try it out

[ornate thunder]

But, if you're engi, you can get the thing to make it always work

I'm just lazy getting points for professions

[plush tendon]

and higher ranks of Breath make it channel faster

not hit harder

[sick sentinel]

my engi is 50+ 6

[craggy pilot]

ah so i can be cheap and get the low quality 🤣

[plush tendon]

yea

I went full on into Mechanical Mind and Inventions

so reduce chance on getting.... malfunctioned

I basically just talked myself into making engineering bracers

[craggy pilot]

ohh i can put safety component on even if im not engi?

[sick sentinel]

putting all my points into bombs

[plush tendon]

I think only Engi

[deft vessel]

wait which tinker is this?

[plush tendon]

Breath of Nelth

[red mulch]

hey guys, can you change the secondary stats on crafted gear afterwards?

also, if I put in a optional embellishment, can I remove it afterwards?

[craggy pilot]

what about for ST? i guess it omega sucks for that right?

[deft vessel]

yes and yes

[deft vessel]

I see, don't have the recipe yet hmm

[plush tendon]

the tooltip says its does like 75k

but its a LONG CD (10min)

[red mulch]

cool, so only think I commit to is the piece itself

[plush tendon]

I think its something worth to looking into

cause there are spots where big damage like that is probably nutty

[ornate thunder]

if it malfunctions it's only 5

[plush tendon]

like Tree Boss

[ornate thunder]

on the cd

[plush tendon]

and if you dont like it, you can slot a Bres

[sick sentinel]

i used nitro speed belt all of BFA

you go, so fast

[ornate thunder]

Bring back synapse springs

imo

[brisk gust]

What are spending sparks on?

[plush tendon]

whatever you want 🙂

[brisk gust]

I saw on wowhead we want neck -> sword, but should i prioritize my lowest item ilvl or should i get those even if i have 392+ in both slots

[plush tendon]

I would wait for tomorrows reset, see what you get from vault

and then craft for what would make your toon best

[brisk gust]

So the neck isn't super important?

[plush tendon]

its good

not like, omg need this right now or Ill die, good

but super solid, and the neck slot is usually a safe pick since youll have ideal stats with sockets

so not too easily replaced

[eager fractal]

got decoration of flame with leech and all totem of master both from hc this week lol

kinda smurfing

[plush tendon]

The wind walkers took my decoration of flame

😦

[placid vale]

I took it from them BWAHAHAHA

[jolly wasp]

I wonder why world first tanks are crafting the unstable frostfire belt if crafting prio should be neck sword tho

[plush tendon]

Frostfire belt is really good

and it also lets us use the rare raid rings

to deal fire damage

[jolly wasp]

idk, for my warrior at 418 it barely sims like 100 dps higher while falling back in any kind of cleave or aoe

compared to lariat

[placid vale]

How tf are u 418 already? XD

[plush tendon]

you can craft a 418 if you do 10 16s

[loud patrol]

my man is a mythic raider

yeah but thats 1 418

[jolly wasp]

i meant 418 on both pieces, not that im 418 XD

[placid vale]

Im progging 11s

[plush tendon]

man is mythic raiding, plate only, and all loot goes to him

[loud patrol]

i was gonna say, liquid players here in the discord

[placid vale]

Going slow, need to carry with me 2 of my friends. And one is...bad at playing this game

Dies the second anything farts at him and complains he needs to move too much while playing a BM Hunter

So....yeah xD

[jolly wasp]

highest ilvl in the world is 409 or something kekw but anyway... i dont see the reason to craft the belt over lariat in any situation unless you have a 340 belt or something

[neon elk]

Is recrafting actualy harder than crafting new item ? Heard something but idk if its true

[plush tendon]

no

its cheaper

Recrafting a item is harder if you start adding more stuff to the item to make it more difficult

[neon elk]

Yea but if i just wanna bump ilvl its not harder , apart from using higher lvl infusion, right?

[tender cove]

wow, insane... This dude on draenor was one, if not the first with a lariat design... About 24 hours ago, he had the achievement for 500 personal crafts... Today he has the 1k crafts achivement. He's selling lariat for 99k. Lets assume those are all lariats... Thats 50 million gold made in 24 hours, wtf 😮

[brisk gust]

what would u craft in my situation? https://gyazo.com/85279eee82bac94b28b1b57a125930b4

[tender cove]

I would craft 418 lariat but thats just me.

[brave tapir]

You can get the achievement for personal order by ordering with your own alt...

This achievement is stupid

[earnest nymph]

this is probably asked daily so my apologies - has the BV bug even been acknowledged by blizzo yet?

[tender cove]

What are you crafting 1000x for your alts though?

[brave tapir]

1copper shit

[deft vessel]

I don't think there are work orders that are that cheap

plenty cheap stuff, but not that cheap

[plush tendon]

hes probably not selling all of them at 75k

[jolly wasp]

if you are running short on concentrated primal focus, I suggest crafting 405 lariat as the proc is the same at 405 or 418, and use them on a craft with main stat like weapon or whatever

[brave tapir]

Even for 1g, for 1000g you get the max achievement and you link it in chat like you’re reputable

[plush tendon]

but even just 1000 20k work orders is a metric shit ton

all in all, a good days work

[brisk gust]

@jolly wasp Ye i don't have any concecrated primal focus, but i've 1 primal infusion

@tender cove only have primal infusion so 405 lariat is fine? Its easy to upgrade later stage?

[neon elk]

Its most likely not lariats only, there is daily/weekly cap on personal order iirc

[brisk gust]

What's the diff between ** Quality Illimited Diamond and ***? The diff i price is 34k lmao

[plush tendon]

more stats

probably minimal

[brisk gust]

2 stars cost 1k and 3 stars cost 35k

[plush tendon]

or at least, has a very high marginal cost

[brisk gust]

lmao

[jolly wasp]

There is a cap on public orders not on personal

[neon elk]

Is it ? Mb then .

[craggy pilot]

belt wrist or ring

[plush tendon]

flamethower bracers!

😄

[craggy pilot]

man im legit looking into getting them

my guildie can make them but only 386

[plush tendon]

Engineering bracers still probably gonna be siq for pushing if you want a BRES

but flamethrower is awesome

cause, flamethrower

[craggy pilot]

was so much thinking i would make BS Wrist and BS Belt, but now i got 392 belt from M+

[craggy pilot]

yea the bres is kinda nice, but i always have br in grp anyway 🤔

but i hate it when i have druid heal, and the druid dies, and no one can CR 😄

if i recraft Wrist, i can put safety equipment on later right?

fuck man i just wanna make it for the meme 🤣

anyone know how the material shit works, like if i craft it with rank 2 will i be fucked later?

[plush tendon]

Im just waiting for someone to tell me its a terrible idea

[tender cove]

Is there a point to running shockwave on raz? I cant figure out why naowh would run it and use it on cooldown when he would get more dps from maxing TR capstones instead?

[plush tendon]

cc adds for interrupts?

[craggy pilot]

huh?

[plush tendon]

it looks pretty fun

I just dont know how good it actually is

and what the other costs are

[craggy pilot]

embellishments are made for fun

[limpid anchor]

Not on normal at least

You would lose a lot of dps

[plush tendon]

yea, why am I psyching myself outta of it

[craggy pilot]

not for "which embellish is my bis plz discord channel h e l p m e i cant decide anything about my character myself"

[tender cove]

But he's not running the rumbling earth, so how many would he actually hit considering how spread out the volatiles are?

[plush tendon]

Maybe hes just lazy and hasnt gotten around to changing talents

[craggy pilot]

they talked about running rumbling earth, but didnt since it sacrificed DPS

[radiant magnet]

getting old, forgot what raid he's in

[tender cove]

yeh but to get the capstone crit shockwave he has to sacrifice something over it. Which would be a bigger dps loss? If thats the concern i mean? but maybe evens out with the utility.

[craggy pilot]

is he running the crit shockwave?

[tender cove]

I would assume so or it will be a dps loss pressing it over anything else?

Specially since he's running it on cooldown every single time

[craggy pilot]

he is pressing it to stun the sparks no?

[sage sun]

You guys spent your valor yet ?

[jolly wasp]

no, better wait for vault

[sage sun]

True

[tender cove]

yeh, it hits 1-2 sparks everytime, it looks beyond useless but thats probably why im not a wf raider 😉

[craggy pilot]

sparks disappear when stunned, sounds pretty useful to me

[onyx matrix]

Yes xD

[median tulip]

At this stage it's not worth spending Valor; better to save it for later

[tender cove]

for one spark?

[craggy pilot]

wdym?

everyone gets their own spark that they need to CC

[jolly wasp]

I mean if everyone despawned 2 sparks, there would be none left

so i dont see whats wrong

[craggy pilot]

maybe he shockwave 1 and Storm Bolt the other

[tender quartz]

Found my favourite Build! https://i.imgur.com/EgEbvvv.png This was Academy 13, Talent's would be. https://i.imgur.com/A1oqSZU.jpeg

I could take away 1 point off of Intimidating Shout if I run with guildies and not pugs, would Barbaric Training or Overwhelming Rage be better? Maybe change Heavy Repercussions into Into the Fray too.

Any input appreciated ( but more from a pug perspective )

[tender cove]

There is 19 other raiders. He could also storm bolt it?

[weary python]

Any advice on spending valor? If I have a BiS m+ piece should I upgrade that if it's like 392? Should I hold on to valor for now?

[tender quartz]

Wait for vault I'd say?

It's just a day away.

Or two.

[jolly wasp]

Ye wait for vault 100%.

[craggy pilot]

honestly i dont know how many sparks they get in Mythic, but it seems like a lot

so any CC helps

[plush tendon]

I think you need to interrupt the spark 4 times

[tender cove]

It looks to be one per raider.

[craggy pilot]

ayyy

inspired to 389

[craggy pilot]

are you watching the stream?

[tender cove]

yeh

[queen cave]

Hey Guys. i am curious, do prot warriors have any way of getting the buff from the ring?

[plush tendon]

Frostfire belt

[plush tendon]

Oh boy

time to flamethrower some stuff

[craggy pilot]

bought the rank 2 flame

oh no first time i tried it malfunctioned 🤣

[plush tendon]

[craggy pilot]

5min CD

reduced my str

[plush tendon]

by how much?

[azure grove]

Is dragon roar really worth the points over Sonic boom and Rumbling Earth for shockwave?

[queen cave]

tysm!

[craggy pilot]

didnt say

[jolly wasp]

@azure grove dragon roar is cracked

[craggy pilot]

and it was like 2-3 sec debuff

[plush tendon]

ah, not terrible

[craggy pilot]

i guess i just pop wall and im ok 😄

but man i need a safety module

it even rolled haste ❤️

i hope it stays haste forever even if i reforge

[modern brook]

Why would you sacrifice a damage talent to turn your cc talent into a damage talent

[jolly wasp]

exactly, when you can talent into roar and have both

[craggy pilot]

oh it shares CD with combat pots 🤔

[plush tendon]

[craggy pilot]

a little unfortunate, but i never use combat potions anyway so im gucci 😄

[fair stump]

Any other tanks competitive with prot atm?

[plush tendon]

I wonder if you can easily take tinkers in and out

[craggy pilot]

its like a socket, i cant take it out

[jolly wasp]

not really you need to recraft or re-purchase

[plush tendon]

unless you buy a new one?

[craggy pilot]

yep

[plush tendon]

but is uncapped

😮

[craggy pilot]

uncapped AOE lets gooo

[plush tendon]

and scales with crit

[craggy pilot]

fuck that combat pot and those 6 globals 😄

[plush tendon]

more reason to get crit

[craggy pilot]

im tank anyway 6 globals is peanuts

[craggy pilot]

also vers

works well with my crit/vers playstyle 😄

[plush tendon]

I ignored the vers part

[jolly wasp]

Keep in mind it's also a channel, soooo... im not sure you can use it while tanking without getting smashed

[craggy pilot]

hopefully i can block during

[plush tendon]

its 100% meme

but I think there are on use scenarios

[jolly wasp]

i highly doubt. xD

[plush tendon]

like Tree Boss

[foggy kernel]

Cant find Prot Warrior m+ EMBELLISHMENTS recommendations in any list.

Not any good sims/suggestions out yet? Neck is a given choice for many classes but seeing as we have GIGA BIS HASTE HEAVY neck from Court I am not so sure.

[craggy pilot]

it did 90k dmg on ST

and 10min CD when it doesnt backfire

[craggy pilot]

craft anything that makes sense to ur gear bro

it doesnt rly matter

[edgy grail]

That is not giga bis nothing

Bis neck is lariat

[severe steeple]

have you tried checking the pins

[craggy pilot]

i will test in 10min 😄

[onyx kayak]

I got the trinket Ruby Whelp Shell in 392, but i feel like it never does anything - Overall it looks worse aswell, but most people call it a good trinket, Do i need to press the trinket at a specific time lol

[foggy kernel]

Thanks for the input, bro. Going for long term not short term gearing.

[craggy pilot]

long term you have unlimited Sparks bro

just craft whatever

[plush tendon]

long term is youll have way more sparks then you know what to do with

[foggy kernel]

Thanks!

[plush tendon]

make something that sounds cool

[craggy pilot]

you can make a flamethrower

[plush tendon]

like a flamethrower

[lucid cloak]

shield is probably worth?

[plush tendon]

I didnt make shield

cause im raiding

and first boss drops one

[foggy kernel]

Fair fair, does that mean you can have unlimited amount of embellishments?

[plush tendon]

but its probably good

[plush tendon]

only two equipped at anytime

I think

[lucid cloak]

the BIS shield is from Azure vault 20weekly vault right?

[plush tendon]

I just try to get a high I level shield first

[craggy pilot]

shield is omega worth

[lucid cloak]

untill you kill last boss mythic

[plush tendon]

then we figure out whats BiS

later

[lucid cloak]

[severe steeple]

think about it this way, the crafted item slot is getting to 418 as soon as you start pumping 16s

[craggy pilot]

thing is, Lariat is BIS (by like 0.2% or so) but if you are waiting for the price to drop for Lariat, you might as well craft something else now, and get Lariat later

Shield is omega value, armor is also value

a ton if different stuff can work great

[paper coral]

So, I noticed some builds that dont have shockwave, like even M+ builds. Isn't a cone stun that does good damage good?

[craggy pilot]

just everyone says "Lariat" cus its much easier to explain to peabrain people

[plush tendon]

Builds are fluid

[craggy pilot]

it doesnt rly do dmg

[plush tendon]

there are some talents that are like way too good to not take

[craggy pilot]

but its good ye

[plush tendon]

and others where you can make choices on

might not need shockwave if you have a WW and DH or something

[craggy pilot]

if you think about it this way, then shield and 1h is most value, and then craft Lariat with your 4th Spark or some shit

[lucid cloak]

shockwave is more a stopper for casts on stunnable mobs

than a dmg ability

[modern brook]

Shockwave is good. Not much else to replace it with. Argument could be made for int shout and x

[paper coral]

Yeah, thats what I use it for. I can round up abunch of idiots casting shit and bop.

[ionic fern]

[sick sentinel]

halls of valor doesn't seem too rough

[lucid cloak]

mate. Thats a 7

[paper coral]

Well, looking at @tender quartz 's build up there, no shockwave. and watching Ben's RWF shenanigans, no shockwave even when he's doing M+

[modern brook]

it's always easy to tell when prot is op

[sick sentinel]

i died to uhh something of light on before boss 2 trash

[ionic fern]

[sick sentinel]

307k

[onyx matrix]

Are you guys going for the tier set bonus? 😄

[lucid cloak]

its after miniboss leaps

she does a beam. Avoidable

[ionic fern]

Yes.