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ionic fern
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Never again.

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The nerfs to some dungeons have to be literally like "Reduced the damage of ability X by 25%" type of nerfs.

lyric elm
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Or buff the undertuned ones

ionic fern
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And bosses taking FOREVER on Fortified, like wtf.

brave tapir
lyric elm
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Nerzhul needs like 2 more abilities to be an actual boss

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And the school dragon

bronze delta
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I was nearly one-shot on the 3rd boss in Jade Serpent -.- .. not mentioning Sha Trash

lyric elm
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2nd phase

bronze delta
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The phase2 (under 70%) jade kick ?

warm plinth
bronze delta
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the one with dmg+dot+healing absorb

ionic fern
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At least we get to the second boss. Apparently VDH is getting almost 1 shot by the trash "Sun kick" or w/e it's called.

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πŸ˜‚

lyric elm
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Academy might be a dead key on reset due to tree

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He's by far the hardest boss

ionic fern
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Just bring 3 arcane mages and hope for the best.

warm plinth
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Maybe tyrannical will finally get Blizzard paying attention to how stupid some of the bosses are

fast knot
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You're getting out of the circle on third boss yeah?

bronze delta
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yeah

brave tapir
fast knot
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For sure

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I've seen so many tanks just stand in that shit though

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just have to make sure

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It's a pretty massive absorb so I usually fed IV into it with stance/shout/reflect

brave tapir
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Enjoy tyrannical temple yep

fast knot
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Unfortunately giga dps solve so many problems

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if you run with even regular chads who do decent damage it makes these fights all the more difficult

limpid anchor
bronze delta
fast knot
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First boss is gonna molest people

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I also have a terrible habit of running through beam keks

brave tapir
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Hey atleast we’ll destroy trash copium

ionic fern
lyric elm
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It will be easier without quaking though

ionic fern
fast knot
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I saw some vods of that lol

lyric elm
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Quacking gladge

brave tapir
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πŸ¦†

limpid anchor
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But temple is a cool pug killer

lyric elm
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Every pull is spooky hehe

limpid anchor
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Are you guys pulling the mobs out in the square?

fast knot
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I pretty much 6th man every key my guild does

lyric elm
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Yes

fast knot
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I pull out first pack to clear space with a ranged kick on mistweaver

lyric elm
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There's an annoying patrol in the square

fast knot
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^

limpid anchor
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Ye, but the trees man, the trees!

fast knot
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Since our dps are absolutely boosted and nuke that shit we usually die there

brave tapir
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ShieldCharge. I’m guilty.

ionic fern
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Oh, also..apparently you can really easily fall through the floor in Temple.

limpid anchor
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Isnt it safe like at the entrance to the right?

ionic fern
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Don't forget about that.

fast knot
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for normal weeks ye

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quaking is uhh

lyric elm
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You need redbull reactions on mistweaver, cast is basically instant and deletes a fool

fast knot
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that's a bad cam angle

brave tapir
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First person cam yep

formal grail
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I guess worst case you can use your st ranged stun on it?

lyric elm
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Yep

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We use druid solar

formal grail
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Ah that is a nice one

lyric elm
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It's so damn good lol

sly shadow
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hey guys, is there a way to see how many times you block or how much damage you block in an instance with details?

formal grail
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Love it when I ask someone if they have their stun available and they use it without answering πŸ˜… guess I gotta get omnicd again or w/e

lyric elm
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Definitely useful

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If you're raid leading the interrupts

past parrot
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How are you guys surviving when you get to 4-5 Zephyr Slams on heroic?

lyric elm
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Oh nevermind

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I don't know actually

cinder nova
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And they're dumb for it.

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DRs stuns overly so and less damage

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no point in it

brave tapir
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Less buttons, fun for low keys probably

last crest
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bloodmallet is up to date ?

formal grail
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Time to finish leveling my warr so I can stop tanking keys on my druid and actually have fun πŸ˜…

brave tapir
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Then go be rank 1 keks

cinder nova
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It generates no rage, does less damage, and the extra "kicks" you get from it aren't substantial.

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You can still push big keys with it probably, but what's the point.

limpid anchor
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Dr

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And less dmg, at least for me

ionic fern
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So it's pretty much a joke.

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The 4th slam did like..78k?

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πŸ˜‚

loud patrol
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i did 10 slams on normal wicked

limpid anchor
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Just hope that you don’t have a ping spike :D

brittle owl
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low ping is a crutch

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chads play optimally continents away

ionic fern
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Meanwhile..my paladin co-tank took as much damage on the first Zephyr slam as i took on the 4th one.

loud patrol
limpid anchor
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Pwar busted

loud patrol
limpid anchor
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Nerf pls

brittle owl
cinder nova
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Honestly, the thing you need to worry about with Zephyr is the knockback

ionic fern
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Nothing to worry about there.

limpid anchor
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Just charge

ionic fern
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Just Charge/Leap.

brittle owl
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mwahi is pwarr busted this patch

ionic fern
cinder nova
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I'm aware, but the knockback increases with each stack, which also increases velocity.

ionic fern
cinder nova
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Meaning your window to charge is smaller and smaller.

lyric geode
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Guys, what mostly RWF grps use tanks?

ionic fern
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Go open a stream

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And watch.

lyric geode
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Bdks or pwarrior?

brittle owl
lyric geode
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Cant just open a livestream using data.

ionic fern
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I don't watch the race . 🀷

ionic fern
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Unlimited data.

lyric geode
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How?

ionic fern
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Idk? That's the plan i got.

brittle owl
loud patrol
lyric geode
fast knot
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They have the entire roster available

ionic fern
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I'm also from Europe.

brittle owl
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must be western eu

ionic fern
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Paying 15 € for it.

fast knot
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for whatever the fight needs

brittle owl
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failed society

limpid anchor
vestal torrent
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got whelp trinket on the one ruby lifepools i ran this week πŸ‘

lyric geode
ionic fern
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I'm also from eastern europe.

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🀷

brittle owl
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same

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how do you not have a 10-15 eur unlimited plan

lyric geode
brittle owl
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no i am

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technically

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balkans wouldn't say we are doe

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but judging by our domestic violence statistics idk

warm plinth
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balkans ftw

brittle owl
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πŸ‘€

lyric geode
brittle owl
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yes

plush pagoda
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What about the balkans

warm plinth
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you're a balkan

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gottem

brittle owl
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shut up bootleg sucuk

lyric geode
limpid anchor
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Imagine not having unlimited data in 2022

plush pagoda
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Is Balkan a new talent ?

brittle owl
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new world order

ionic fern
lyric geode
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Yes, give you 1000% more chadness.

limpid anchor
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In middle Europe it’s a bit more expensive tho

plush pagoda
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How do I get this Balkan enchant

lyric geode
plush pagoda
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No wonder pwarr huge

lyric geode
plush pagoda
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Balkan bis

lyric geode
fading isle
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Hi! Its there someone that can send me talents for m+ and raid?

plush pagoda
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Big de buff

lyric geode
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I know right. Anyway, I got my answer, thanks.

lyric geode
brittle owl
lyric geode
vestal torrent
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how does the ruby whelp trinket actually work? Which proc do you select on it?

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stats?

brittle owl
tacit widget
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Hay guys, what would you recommend me using my first and seconds spark for?

lyric geode
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I maybe be graphical. But , is BrV still bugged?

ionic fern
ionic fern
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Never paid any attention to it.

vestal torrent
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it's not very clear and I'm getting a lot of conflicting info on sites lol

shut flare
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what is an alternate for sophic writ

vestal torrent
ionic fern
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Frozen Devotion

vestal torrent
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otherwise frozen devotion for aoe

ionic fern
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Solid in ST also.

compact jackal
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Just did my first RLP with Thundering.

vestal torrent
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did you win

compact jackal
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Last boss hits hard, but it's not too bad.

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Just murder flamedancers 5head

compact jackal
vestal torrent
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i found the best way to handle that last boss is to tunnel the dragon as much as possible

compact jackal
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Yeah, we got the dragon to like 60% at the start

vestal torrent
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yeah the dragon mechanics are brutal so as soon as you can rid of it the better

compact jackal
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40K overall DPS feels low though

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Gonna miss this lil' guy.

vestal torrent
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F

lean zephyr
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does anyone have tips for last boss in AV? i start the pull with him on top of the slope and then when the orbs start getting close i hleap out and then start kiting as much as i need to and then plant when possible. but when i just did it on a 15 getting like 1 or 2 ticks even hurts. is that just how it needs to be done? i probably shouldve taken bounding stride now that i think about it

vestal torrent
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max range across the room

lean zephyr
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just heroic out, plant and dont even move, ya makes sense

vestal torrent
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yeah healer has to dispel you

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from time to time

lean zephyr
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ya i used avatar a few times to dispel myself, but it just gets hectic and very close toward the end

vestal torrent
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yeah dungeons hectic makes sense

ionic fern
cinder nova
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She doesn't do anything.

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Just stand near the edge with her spit and don't be in breath

severe steeple
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Wowhead says that orbs follow the one with the most healing aggro

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So I always blame my healer πŸ’ͺ

lean zephyr
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ya im not sure how they are supposed to work cause sometimes they just follow me forever and then literally stop right infront of me for like 10s

severe steeple
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Literally lists them as healer mechanic

viral cove
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What's the first thing we make with spark boys? First week in.

loud patrol
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lariat

compact jackal
tropic sundial
# loud patrol lariat

Definitely. The shield does not seem to be as big of a deal as soon as you can kill Heroic Eranog.

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which anyone can, let's be honest he is a joke

loud patrol
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not as daetha

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dathea*

ionic fern
loud patrol
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but feels like a 10% wicked

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Placebo Effect

compact jackal
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You'll always be a 10% to me.

loud patrol
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aww

solar crown
loud patrol
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also anyone can review my logs?

final gust
compact jackal
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Well this is interesting.

pulsar sedge
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Not sure why people keep swearing lariat is BiS still lol. It was hard nerfed πŸ˜‰

pallid quiver
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it's still, on average, the most benefit. It was ahead by a good margin before. It's still ahead, but not by as much

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Not that any embellish is a drastic increase or anything

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They're usually tuned to be around 1%-1.5%-ish of your damage

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i personally ain't touching lariat for weeks until people stop looking at it and going "imma charge 70k to make this"

compact jackal
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70k dafuq

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On my server it's already 5k lmfao

pallid quiver
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Area 52 innit

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prices wack here sometimes

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I also mostly play only late at night when the degens are on

pulsar sedge
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100k on tich lol

compact jackal
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Clearly you should leave Horde and embrace the Goat.

pallid quiver
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i've been a cow since i started,

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im a cow 'til i die

compact jackal
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Die and become goat.

pallid quiver
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i'm just gonna sit here and imagine what could have been in my raids tonight

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i actually got into a pug as a tank

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and once again, i was tanking with a monk dealing like 10K DPS at max.

On the bright side, they weren't my ilvl this time, they were like 340-350 or something, so it was actually understandable

solar crown
pallid quiver
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I think it counts IP absorb gen as heal aggro

tropic sundial
pallid quiver
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which means, uh, you're gonna have those chasing you

pallid quiver
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i think he just had shite luck

tropic sundial
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oof

compact jackal
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My co-tank for HTerros was 355.

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He died.

pallid quiver
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He wasn't playing bad or anything; he actually lived on most of the bosses

tropic sundial
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HTerros has some nasty damage

compact jackal
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It does?

pallid quiver
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I just had to stay in Defensive stance and just entirely stop DPS to stop from losing aggro to specific things

tropic sundial
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but mostly we had people messing up mechanics on that.

pallid quiver
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And when he finally left for Kuranog, the raid group pulled while me and the other tank was still discussing the strat we were doing so I died due to having like 3-4 stacks of sunder, but we still killed it

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muh parses

tropic sundial
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Speaking of parses, add duty on Broodkeeper is hilarious padding as a warrior

pallid quiver
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Normal, all of it

onyx pike
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Me looking for a Juwelcrafter for my 405 upgrade

pallid quiver
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I haven't tried Heroic pugs yet because that sounds like suffering and needing voice

compact jackal
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n Kellogg is nice

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He has 4 different adds. The frost add which you stand on or die, the storm add which hates healers, the earth add which does some damage, and the fire add which exists.

pallid quiver
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ye

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We cleared it all

jagged pier
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lucky for u guys to have add job

pallid quiver
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it's just i died in that pull so my parse

compact jackal
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Not to be confused with the broodkeeper fire add who ALSO exists

pallid quiver
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muh damage

compact jackal
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yeah you little greenlet?

pallid quiver
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i ain't green ;-;

tropic sundial
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Add duty

jagged pier
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bro i was on boss and i got 95

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come on man

compact jackal
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add duty, meet boss + staff duty.

jagged pier
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should be orange if u get adds at least

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full boss duty

pallid quiver
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The raid stopped after Kurog

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i didn't get to see Brood ;-;

compact jackal
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I wonder what talents I can run to improve my Sennarth

tropic sundial
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I'm barely back after not raiding since wrath, i'm definitely rusty sadge

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which is why i why surprised at the result

pallid quiver
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Last I did any kind of notable raiding was Pandaland

compact jackal
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I picked up this cute lil guy too

pallid quiver
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I did do Antorus on Heroic, apparently?

jagged pier
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im 10 ilvls higher than when i got these

compact jackal
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pink > gold tbh

pallid quiver
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I wonder how well I could've done if I didn't have to hold back

compact jackal
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You could go even beyond.

jagged pier
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just dont?

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i dont

pallid quiver
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listen i can only take so many stacks

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sunder from kurog hurt

compact jackal
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worst part is you don't get rage from it

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??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

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wat

jagged pier
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can your co tank not play around just taunting before the 2nd strike

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its not that hard

pallid quiver
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so definitely not

jagged pier
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ppl not in a guild smh

compact jackal
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I just straight up pugged 8/8 4/8 this week tbh

pallid quiver
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pugs are a time

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funny times

tropic sundial
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How's Rasza going in pugs? Seemed like quite a difficulty spike to me compared to the other bosses in normal

pallid quiver
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Haven't gotten there ye-

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Hooooo boy, that sounds right

jagged pier
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thats not worth your time in pugs

tropic sundial
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oof

jagged pier
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she doesnt drop anything anyway for us

compact jackal
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In order of what causes the most wipes on Raszageth,
P1 lasers
P2 stormshields (generally first and third)
Intermission 2 existing

tropic sundial
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a new fun experience every time!

compact jackal
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oh, and P1, people thinking the bombs don't do damage to each other.

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Raszageth straight up punishes you for having good dps tbh

fresh belfry
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???

elder wing
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someone can tell me quickly what the best gear to craft for pw ?

compact jackal
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get through intermission 1 too fast and you get a third stormshield

pallid quiver
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Brood and T-Rex both seem like they'll be funny times in pugs

compact jackal
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If you transition at like 50-52 energy or something she only does 2

limpid anchor
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Never hold, just pew pew and tell him to get hands

tropic sundial
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Number of times I snatched aggro on pull from our BDK MT

limpid anchor
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I also steal aggro form my co tank, but I just survive anyway ExcitedBlushette

elder wing
limpid anchor
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Having a bdk do the pull is int

compact jackal
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once you hit the 5 cap I've tested how fast it can get

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If you have a tornado at the very edge of the platform, you'll hit it and live

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you straight up won't be able to charge because of how fast you're going

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if the tornado isn't there you can charge

tropic sundial
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Yeah even spamming charge you're already out of range

compact jackal
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Just that you're going so fast the game thinks you hit the tornado before you actually charge

pallid quiver
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you can still leap, though, when you're going that fast

compact jackal
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You can still charge as well

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All my Dathea's this week on normal were solo tanking her while having the co-tank be on add duty

pallid quiver
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Yeah, that's how I handled it pretty much

tropic sundial
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man I would never want to tank as a wheelchair class for a lot of these bosses

compact jackal
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Just stop doing ANYTHING on the GCD like 1s before zephyr and start mashing charge

zealous willow
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can u guys share ur m+ rotues source for DF s1

compact jackal
pallid quiver
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My route is W

jagged pier
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most dungeons dont even allow variance

pulsar sedge
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I usually just go with dratnos's

compact jackal
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I enjoy looking at this.

pallid quiver
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I still haven't gotten a Nokhud key

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I just literally have not gotten one out of all the key upgrades/changes I've gotten from pushing my key

cinder storm
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I've only run cos like three times this xpac

torn gulch
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TNO is so/so of a key

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second boss is pretty bad

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tyr will be fun in a lot of these dungeons

pallid quiver
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I hate the existence of Court of Stars

compact jackal
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third boss trash 🀒

pallid quiver
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i don't like it entirely

limpid anchor
compact jackal
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I have yet to do HOV

pulsar sedge
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Agreed with that list except HoV wasn't that bad

compact jackal
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I have bad memories from Legion man

cinder storm
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Actually, if you get most % on first boss and third boss you can skip all the way to the last boss, 2nd boss is fine as long as you don't let your orbs fall

torn gulch
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i just came out a 14 TNO with about 7 min left

cinder storm
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In NO

pulsar sedge
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Did 11 and it was a hell of a lot easier than AV or ruby

zealous willow
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i hate thundering this is the most boring and stupid affix they could put rly

limpid anchor
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Hov gave me ptsd with those shitty bears and bulls

torn gulch
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you do up to 95% in the area before third boss

compact jackal
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I hate thundering because people can't decide if it's a tank/healer or dps duty to resolve it

edgy spear
jagged pier
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its everyones job

pulsar sedge
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I just wish thundering didn't effect the tank... so much cleave and shit for us to run to a ranged yo clear it lol

limpid anchor
torn gulch
compact jackal
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My favorite is when I do a key as DPS, get thundering, and the tank immediately comes to clear it off me.

limpid anchor
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But also, during frontal mobs, the tank doesn’t move

edgy spear
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3 bites in a row and you're fucking dead unless you have a full IP up or demo/wall

pulsar sedge
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Because dpa are stupid and don't run yo us to clear it before it ends

limpid anchor
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I rather get stunned than kill someone

pulsar sedge
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Dps*

pallid quiver
cinder storm
compact jackal
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Should've given the shield to Skovald.

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He too is worthy.

pallid quiver
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he can have that damn shield

cinder storm
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Real talk, HoV Odin's runes are busted, they do an insane amount of damage as they are

compact jackal
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flamedances on you

torn gulch
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Skovald can piss off and take his shield with him

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When I hear his voice I want to kick him out of the dungeon

edgy spear
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Skovald is the easiest boss in there

compact jackal
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I honestly dislike Wise Mari tbh

torn gulch
pallid quiver
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Yeah, the character

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belongs in the trash

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doesn't even deserve to be killed

compact jackal
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The laser is fine, but man that water does it's knockup near constantly. If the beam spawns close to you you're SoL

torn gulch
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isn't the beam visually bugged sometimes?

compact jackal
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I've yet to have it bug

full violet
cinder storm
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If someone is really far it can bug

compact jackal
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but the water itself just has no chill to ever cross it

torn gulch
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yea i briked the boss twice

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because of it

cinder nova
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1st boss in TJS is a meme

compact jackal
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and it says a lot when fucking Raszageth lightning breath is easier to survive than his beam

cinder nova
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Literally watch the water for when it's about to pop

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And move accordingly

torn gulch
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imagine avoiding the beam on a quaking/thundering overlap

cinder storm
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Water pops every three Mississippis

torn gulch
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with water going 1,2,boom,1,2 boom

cinder nova
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Not that hard.

compact jackal
cinder nova
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Someone will have to sacrifice uptime.

edgy spear
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Quaking makes it a ton worse tbf

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Next week it should be a lot easier.

torn gulch
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with the water i just go: 1,2,boom,1,2 boom etc

cinder storm
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For sure, tyrannical is going to be easier critcake

jagged pier
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u joking right ppl already getting 1 shot by bosses mechanics

torn gulch
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i think tyr will prompt the enrfs

jagged pier
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in fort

edgy spear
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Tyrannical is just prolonging the fight. The oneshot mechanics will still be oneshot and its not like the dmg outside of that is massive.

torn gulch
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some bosses are straight up cursed on fort

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imagine tyr

compact jackal
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Wikket was tuned perfectly critcake

jagged pier
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tree boss will be easier

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any boss with adds

cinder storm
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Tree is probably going to heal like 15% on abundance alone

torn gulch
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do adds even scale with tyr or fort?

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on the tree boss?

jagged pier
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they scale with fort

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well boss adds used too

compact jackal
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I can't wait for Brackenhide and HoI M+. They'll be so fun. critcake

pallid quiver
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unless they were bugged

torn gulch
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i don't think that's a thing anymore

pallid quiver
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and scaling with the wrong affix, iirc

noble lynx
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Brackenhide is fine

cinder storm
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Temple last boss has just too much hp on fort

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And it's debuff happen constantly

edgy spear
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the debuff is so nasty

compact jackal
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The year is 2026. We are still on the trash to the first boss in Brackenhide on Fortified.

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I just hate how much trash that place has.

ionic fern
cinder storm
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Route wise bracken is going to be fun

edgy spear
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until the hunter in china pulls one of the big patrolling spinny boys while being 45 yards from the group

coral pasture
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Which embelishment would you guys go for? Lariat and what else?

jagged pier
noble lynx
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adds scale with tyr

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for like

jagged pier
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this makes it even better

noble lynx
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years

compact jackal
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So the tree is going to be worse. critcake

ionic fern
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We were struggling with the tree boss yesterday.
The solution was to nuke the boss while ignoring the adds and hope for the best.

noble lynx
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maybe the aoe dmg is environmental

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and its fortified

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who knows

onyx matrix
noble lynx
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its just getting to million stacks without dispell

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life hack: get a shaman with poison cleansing totem

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its broken there

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they can use it every add wave

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it dispells 4 times over 6 sec

onyx matrix
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thanks. ill give it a try

cinder storm
#

I run with a priest, dps don't have such things on their bars

noble lynx
#

its not really doable without dispelling the poison

#

i tried it but at somepoint it just ticks for 300k dmg xd

jagged pier
#

or just be a dwarf

cinder storm
#

It is, you can stun and leap

jagged pier
#

🀷

noble lynx
#

ye you are a dwarf and then

#

you die to 2nd add wave

#

great

jagged pier
#

ppl are getting to second add wave

#

didnt even get one in a 16

#

πŸ€”

noble lynx
#

i can assure i got it on 18

ionic fern
jagged pier
#

i wasnt

#

but u can also just use the green pool

ionic fern
#

I did a 16 yesterday and we had 2nd set spawning when boss was at 20%

noble lynx
#

that doesnt dispell poison

#

only the bleed

ionic fern
# jagged pier i wasnt

Let me rephrapse:
Probably running with better ST DPS'ers than others here complaining.

noble lynx
#

and not getting 2nd add wave is like

#

killing boss in 1:40?

jagged pier
noble lynx
#

you didnt even time your 16 man

jagged pier
#

yer

#

but first boss went fine

noble lynx
#

nah i dont believe that

cinder storm
#

Killing the tree is already timed in my book okayge

jagged pier
#

on the 3rd go

noble lynx
#

killing tree boss in 1:40

#

and you deplete the rest

#

how

#

xd

jagged pier
#

when dps actually bothered to do mechanics

ionic fern
#

We depleted ours as well on the tree boss, had enough time when we got there but wiped like..4 times to it.

#

πŸ˜‚

limpid anchor
#

Did you know

#

The poison cleanse from shaman

cinder storm
#

That's why I prefer going tree first

limpid anchor
#

Only removes 1 poison, and not the stack itself

broken mulch
#

Yea we couldn't manage tree 🌲... On a 13 even

jagged pier
#

i mean also never stated i timed the key so i dont know why that matters all i said was tree boss is easy if u kill it before the second set of adds stand up

noble lynx
jagged pier
#

πŸ€”

limpid anchor
noble lynx
#

at least my healer said after it that it was so easy with the totem

ionic fern
limpid anchor
#

Still got to 50 stacks

#

And it cleanses every 1.5 secs, you shouldn’t get above 10-20 stacks during the totem

#

Gonna try again I guess

noble lynx
#

did your sham drop it early maybe

limpid anchor
#

Nah, like 2-3 sec into add spawn

#

Gotta check the log later

#

Losing the thunderstorm knock up hurts tho

noble lynx
#

did i gaslight myself on poison totem

#

:despair:

limpid anchor
#

Will inform you later :)

noble lynx
#

cause i did specificly ask that question as well and he told me it removes the whole thing

ionic fern
#

Tbf, 1:40 is do,able on that boss. You just need really-really good ST DPS.

limpid anchor
#

Which would make sense

ionic fern
#

Probably like 40-50k ST per DPS.

broken mulch
#

@ionic fern dunno how you get agro of all the Lasher's that spawn on the 2nd set. without falling over

#

Cuz if I don't my dps just floorpov insta xD

ionic fern
#

If in a PUG, keep CD or AoE taunt.

#

If on voice yell "RUN AWAY" to your DPS'ers for 2s

noble lynx
#

you have dragon roar for every 2nd ?

limpid anchor
#

Okay I have no clue how to check the log, especially on phone

noble lynx
#

so i guess you keep it for 2nd

limpid anchor
#

Aoe taunt on first, roar on second works for me

#

Unless it’s spread

noble lynx
#

maybe better otherway around cause 2nd is gonna be more hectic

limpid anchor
#

That’s why roar

#

Better aggro

#

So I can kite earlier

noble lynx
#

i mean to taunt 2nd

#

cause 1st will be stacked more or less, but 2nd is a shitshow

limpid anchor
#

Yea but roar is huge aoe

noble lynx
#

is roar bigger range?

limpid anchor
#

And you would need to hold roar to have it on the first wave

broken mulch
#

Also hate the combination with quaking πŸ˜‚

limpid anchor
#

Think same range

noble lynx
#

ye quaking is cwinge

wary plume
#

anyone found any use cases for spell block? I dont really understand how it works

#

does it block all spell damage, or just certain "blockable" spells

ionic fern
#

Personally i have used it exactly 0 times.

wary plume
#

ah cool sorry didnt think that'd include but i guess its obvious

young mango
#

Cos against the imps its nice

ionic fern
#

Why

#

You insta nuke them.

#

And CC.

#

They don't even get a cast off.

young mango
#

In pugs ppl die

noble lynx
#

you can solo the imp stops

#

they have no hp :x

ionic fern
young mango
#

It does Go in spell reflect they all start cast at the Same Time u reflect all

ionic fern
#

...

#

We are talking about 2 different things

#

Spell BLOCK

#

And Spell REFLECT

#

The question was about spell BLOCK.

young mango
#

Well then nvm

limpid anchor
#

Can you spell block or reflect the toxin from the tree boss?

#

I don’t want to check pins :<

lyric geode
noble lynx
#

toxin is not mentioned on the sheet

#

bursting was blockable so maybe its also blockable

limpid anchor
#

Reducing the initial dmg would already be good

lyric geode
#

Guys, how do you deal with the tree in AA.

compact jackal
#

My poor keystone.

torn gulch
#

and cut it down

limpid anchor
#

But tldr, get better dps

compact jackal
#

^

#

90% of problems are solved with that

torn gulch
#

yep good dps solves a lot of the tree fight

compact jackal
#

however, a good tank can as well

#

I ran a +10 as fury for fun, BDK was melting on the boss so I swapped to prot

#

and of course, prot go brrrrrrr

limpid anchor
#

Then the bdk sucks tho

#

I would assume it’s easier on dk

#

Bcs magic def

compact jackal
#

dude, he went 100-0 in literally 1s lmao

torn gulch
#

tankus deletus

compact jackal
#

he gigasucked

ionic fern
#

We all know what's going to happen.
Prot is going to get nerfed so ALL the tanks get deleted equally fast.

torn gulch
#

i think we'll be good for one season

#

then we're gone

#

bfa style

ionic fern
#

One can hope.

#

I like being secretly good over FOTM.

mint imp
#

give me at least 1 season πŸ˜„

compact jackal
#

Can't not have the BDK/VDH wonderchildren not be meta for an entire expansion critcake

ionic fern
#

Just don't care about meta.

torn gulch
#

and by good i mean meta
because war is good most of the time

#

you can do fat keys as every tank

tame jasper
compact jackal
#

It gets boring when MDI is all BDK/VDH though

pine marsh
#

VDH is Meta when forest gump is meta

ionic fern
compact jackal
#

he pressed death strike I'm pogging out of my mind!

limpid anchor
#

I still think the 10% nerf for bdk was bs

#

It doesn’t make sense to nerf the base def of a heal tank

pine marsh
limpid anchor
#

Pally, bear, vdh is fine

ionic fern
#

Average dps brain

#

About m+.

#

God i love official forums.

jagged pier
#

yes i can stop the swirls on the floor that u stand in

#

and all casts that go off

ionic fern
#

Jep, 100%.

jagged pier
#

that pack in jade serpent that requires 6 intuprts

#

yep can do that for sure

ionic fern
#

I actually had a evoker babysit another DPS with the Thundering affix.

#

Just flying them everywhere.

#

Cause they refused to move on their own.

#

πŸ˜‚

jagged pier
#

why would u clear a 30% dps increase

ionic fern
#

To not get stunned.

#

At the last second.

#

πŸ™‚

limpid anchor
#

Tilts me every time

jagged pier
#

yer but if u dont clear and your the last u keep the buff

ionic fern
#

Yes, i usually get to be the last in my group.

#

But never trust pugs.

#

Been stunned one too many times.

limpid anchor
#

I never clear and just use my anti stun as human ExcitedBlushette

#

Max dps for me!

ionic fern
#

Leap->SW hopes for the best

tame jasper
ionic fern
#

Oh, never had that.

#

Think i've only had 1 mage in my group tho.

timid coyote
#

Anyone have advice for dealing with the final trash pack in temple of the jade serpent?

bold turret
#

Run

wary plume
#

pop fatty defensives and remember you can reflect the dark gaze

#

we BL it too

timid coyote
#

Ok, so no niche tech

timid coyote
#

Trap

tame jasper
#

My hunter could trap it

timid coyote
#

Ok, cool. It's the big sha that's awful

desert lodge
#

Just lust on them lol

tame jasper
#

My hunter mate

ionic fern
#

That's about it.

timid coyote
#

Cool, ty peeps

noble lynx
ionic fern
#

Or get one shot by them.

limpid anchor
#

It’s a fun gamble if you get oneshot or not

#

I’m so glad that the kiting meta is making a return

#

I miss s1 sl

ionic fern
noble lynx
#

its not about kiting, just stop the tank nuke

jolly granite
limpid anchor
#

Spell deflect?

ionic fern
limpid anchor
#

Like reflect is the best spell we have

jolly granite
#

Okay, got oneshot several times 150k and 175k

limpid anchor
#

-20% magic dmg for 5 sec

#

Is so huge

jolly granite
#

Naaaaa

compact jackal
#

😎

jolly granite
#

I mean the talent

ionic fern
jolly granite
#

In the tree

ionic fern
#

Are you talking about Spell REFLECT or Spell BLOCK?

#

Cause Spell REFLECT you always take.

compact jackal
limpid anchor
#

Is there a talent called spell deflect?

ionic fern
limpid anchor
#

Myth raz?

compact jackal
#

TNO Key DPS

ionic fern
#

Smh.

jolly granite
#

I meant spell block… chill guys πŸ˜‰

ionic fern
#

No need for it so far.

jolly granite
#

It’s not working on this pack?

ionic fern
#

🀷
Probably is.
But you have enough tools to deal with it.

rain edge
#

which two of the three rings should i wear? conflicted

ionic fern
limpid anchor
jolly granite
#

Tough as nails is β€žonlyβ€œ some Dps gain right?

ionic fern
#

Also, smh, who takes the tank ring from Cobalt.

limpid anchor
#

The assembly ring is gonna sim less tho

#

You want dmg

#

Not some survival shit

#

We are the dps now!

warm plinth
ionic fern
#

I thought it was a hard farm..

#

Took like 1h.

quartz pond
#

pretty ez

obsidian path
#

For real ? It's that short ?

#

I might do it

ionic fern
#

Considering i won't get any loot from raids, it was a good investment.

quartz pond
#

find a group and go ham

craggy pilot
limpid anchor
#

Maybe I need to farm the ring

#

So i can get 99 parses as well :(

obsidian path
#

I should be at low or the one above low

ionic fern
limpid anchor
#

No

ionic fern
limpid anchor
#

I want to outgear

ionic fern
#

But wouldn't it make you feel even worse if you're well geared and no 99's?

quartz pond
#

god gamers gonna outgear too and then its bin 99s

ionic fern
#

I got my 99's on wednesday so now i'm just chillin.

quartz pond
#

thats the play

brittle owl
#

when in doubt

#

post healing parses

ionic fern
#

Pretty sure my healing parses are garbage.

#

I will just validate myself with the following:
I'm a tank, i don't need to deal damage, that's what the DPS'ers are for.

quartz pond
#

got on with the times old man if ur not playing on the knife's edge maximizing ur dps are u even playing the game.marok

ionic fern
#

No, i wan't to sit in defensive stance and only generate enough rage to get SB off.

brittle owl
#

something something stormwall parses

obsidian path
#

Which is still a better option than some prots I met

sick sentinel
brittle owl
#

dps's fault for pulling threat tbh

obsidian path
#

10% sb uptime : "pls remove trash enrage pls, can't tank that*

ionic fern
deep plume
#

Is the best food for M+ really the fish sticks ? isnt sea food platter better ?

livid osprey
#

Is it normal to pull aggro off of the other tank as prot? Changed to def stance even and still happens

#

Other tank is blood

quartz pond
#

maybe he doesnt use taunt.

ionic fern
#

Mine's Haste/Crit.

livid osprey
#

No idea really, I am pugging and it's the third time I am playing with a blood dk this week and I am pulling aggro off of them all the time

ionic fern
#

If that's the case then chances are they are playing sub-optimally while you're playing optimally.

livid osprey
#

Yellow frames, have to stop with dpsing for a few secs every few slams or executes

ionic fern
#

So, not really your problem.

#

But if you want to help the raid succeed, you have to unfortunately deal with it.

#

😦

livid osprey
#

It's sad really, cause I cant pump on bl as I want to

#

because 4 shields slams just rip their aggro and I get another stack to the face

pallid quiver
#

I've been living that feeling all week, Denas

#

I've had one co-tank who's pulled above 10k DPS

peak lily
#

Do you "lose" 100 primal chaos if you craft Primal infusion, and then recraft with concentrated primal infusion.

livid osprey
spark cedar
#

what stats did you guys craft in ur lariat? haste/vers or haste/crit for pumps

pallid quiver
#

My lariat is locked behind 70k that I'm keeping in my bank

#

but if i did make one, probably haste/crit

patent quiver
#

I have an M+ question is this is my first season playing Prot Warrior (I'm a Brew transplant)

Is it normal that our snap threat is so bad or am I doing something wrong? I go in to pull a pack, throw out TClap and then Demo Shout and the DPS that are going full dick can just rip off like it's nothing.

Once I get situated, in Avatar and the Claps are rolling everything is fine. Obviously talking about packs Challenging Shout isn't up

#

Is the fix to get DPS to be less braindead and not pop all their CDs and go full dick after I've used one global?

cunning cipher
pallid quiver
#

If you're still gathering packs, TC in Rev is generally possible and will keep aggro by and large

#

Demo is an entire GCD that you're not doing anything, so if you go straight into that and they tunnel into ST, it's a non-zero chance they pull aggro on a mob

#

Charge/Avatar into SS into dropping CDs is usually fine, though

#

so ST one a single mob usually isn't a problem

patent quiver
#

My cast sequence is usually something like charge in/Avatar/Shield Block -> TClap -> Demo -> Rav

#

but I can see moving Ravager earlier helping

severe aurora
#

I feel like if I tank the mobs where they are it’s fine. But having to move certain mobs somewhere when they spawn far apart was a pain

pallid quiver
#

I think that's optimal damage, but usually not reliable for aggro, particularly with pug DPS

patent quiver
#

Yeah I can definitely see changing some things being fine since Demo only lasts 8s anyways

mint imp
#

Hey guys, What is the best aura for us to take from trinket Primal Ritual Shell?

patent quiver
#

long as ravager is still up for the full duration it's still good

pallid quiver
#

(Earth if you really need the survival which is rare)

patent quiver
#

Do you ever pull with Shield Charge or nah?

#

I don't

pallid quiver
#

Absolutely never

mint imp
#

thx

pallid quiver
#

It's a DPS CD only used when everything's gathered

patent quiver
#

fair enough

#

I like the little ministun on it I try to fit it in to get a kick on a cast during Avatar

#

generally

pallid quiver
#

It's pretty much your single hardest hitting button in a single press, especially if you rock both its capstones

#

Yeah, if you don't need to delete one specific mob, it's nice to happen to stun something

#

I still send it on as close to CD as possible, though, so if I don't getta kick something I don't get to kick something

patent quiver
#

Okay

#

For gathering ranged mobs we are just boned aren't we?

#

not casters but stuff like archers in NoGood Offensive

#

makes me miss Clash and Clash is...

slim dove
#

If you charge dead center of pack they'll run to you before starting to shoot.

patent quiver
#

Interesting

hidden axle
#

haste vers or haste crit on my lariat boys?

pallid quiver
slim dove
#

Either is fine. I went haste vers cuz my gear is 99% haste critical otherwise.

patent quiver
#

I have a lot of crit/vers gear so far it's lame. Got like 2.2k crit and 2k haste

#

And 3k vers

wind cliff
#

Hey there, do we want to use gems hate/vers instead of mastery/haste? especially for defensive way

craggy pilot
#

then shove Demo shout when in range, and pop Dragons Roar

#

then no one in the world can take ur aggro

hidden axle
#

what do i need to add more sockets to my lariat

#

soz im a noob

craggy pilot
#

i just bought 2x Rank 2

#

the Rank 3 is omega expensive currently

hidden axle
#

cheers

#

and how does the recraft thing work?

#

i got a 405 lariat with 4 diamond symbol rankl

#

i beleive thats R4?

patent quiver
#

You use less mats

hidden axle
#

how do i get the big R5

patent quiver
#

don't need the primal chaos or the spark again, just a % of the base mats

shut flare
#

what the best general phial

#

for general use

patent quiver
#

We use Eye in the Storm in AOE and Glacial Fury ST

#

at least according to wowhead

shut flare
#

thank you

hidden axle
#

what are the best gems to whack into this fat lariat

#

last question sorry gents

spark cedar
#

I would imagine it depends on what you are lacking, i am still deciding if i go haste crit or haste vers. My vers is very low (6%) which is why I am debating if I should just be a basic vers boy

marble cipher
#

Gonna guess the "Strike Twice" weapon is fairly bad? did 1% of my dps overall in a key.
Still keeping the weapon for ilvl for now though, but a bit of a let down πŸ˜„

oblique garnet
last crest
#

i asked before, but im retarded and missed the answer

is bloodmallet up to date ?

quick elk
#

the versality proc crafted shield i though it would be great, yet I've not seen it mentioned anywhere? is it that bad? all prefer the standard crafted or raid.

young mango
#

Didnt u get an haste vers shield from a Dungeon/raid

limpid anchor
#

Idk I wouldn’t craft a shield bcs one drops from@first raid boss

hushed garden
#

guys

#

i want to craft my shield

#

but i have no ideea how to do it

ionic fern
#

If you're a Blacksmith you just craft it.

hushed garden
#

no i am not

ionic fern
#

Otherwise place a crafting order.

zinc drum
#

are there any bis items i should craft besides neck?

#

mostly play m+

ionic fern
#

Go to the Crafting Order vendors in Valdrakken, search for shields. Pick the one you want, provide the ingredients, provide the comission, submit and wait.

rain kestrel
#

Any weakaura/plater mod for reflectable spells ?

uneven mason
#

This crafting system is making me feel like I should move servers

#

Don't think anyone has the lasso on stormreaver

blazing condor
#

Do yall tip anything and if so how much

#

Im not american so idk how that works

ionic fern
#

In crafting orders?

#

Or real life?

blazing condor
#

Crafting orders lol

ionic fern
#

I've only put submissions for guildies.

#

So i just add like 5k

#

🀷

blazing condor
#

Imagine having a well woven guild community

#

I tipped 1k on my first craft

jagged pier
#

i only tip if they ask

limpid anchor
#

I tipped 50k for neck :(

jagged pier
#

i did 45 for that but it was a public order so had to get someone to do it somehow

#

worked out

#

got Q5

ionic fern
#

I still haven't done my second embellishment.

#

πŸ‘€

jagged pier
#

same

ionic fern
#

I honestly want to use my 2nd spark on a weapon

#

Cause i only have a 379 one.

#

πŸ˜‚

#

But i know that first boss drops one, so idk. 😦

#

No luck this week.

jagged pier
#

second

desert lodge
#

Just wait for vault

ionic fern
jagged pier
ionic fern
ionic fern
spark cedar
#

do we stack same element of gems in gear for lariat or is it better to have one each

limpid anchor
#

I only did haste

#

And prim stat + haste

#

I wouldn’t have crit or vers there

sick sentinel
# ionic fern

what i love about this is, how the picture is called 9k.png, and its a thumbnail about 9 pixels in total

gentle mirage
#

is devastator working as intended
my autos dont seem to reset my shield slam cd at all

#

granted i am level 18 but ive been slapping mobs for like 10 minutes now and it didnt reset once

#

am i reading this talent wrong or something

sick sentinel
#

lvl 28 according to wowhead comments

gentle mirage
#

maybe a leftover

#

thanks

sick sentinel
#

so, yeah, for you right now, its actually a dead talent

gentle mirage
#

it started working now with level 19 when i took strategist kek alright weird

jade panther
#

hey guys, this is my first season as warrior. I'm 1500 + atm and i feel all the mistakes i'm making really badly. Looking for big war main that has 15/20mn to talk about the class to clear most of the questions i have xd (please whisper me/PM me on disc πŸ˜‰ )

ionic fern
uneven mason
#

Check the pins

ionic fern
#

WTS advice, 20k g per minute.

jagged ferry
#

Whats the missive for our neckpiece?

#

Anyone know the name of it?

uneven mason
jagged pier
#

WTS advice 19.9k gold per min

ionic fern
#

Damn

jade panther
ionic fern
#

I'm out done.

uneven mason
#

Also didn't iv pay you?

ionic fern
#

CHEAP?

limpid anchor
#

1500 is pretty good for someone who makes bad mistakes

ionic fern
#

I got 8k gold right now.

#

Plz

jagged ferry
#

Missive of Aurora?

uneven mason
ionic fern
#

I'm not wiping. 😦

jade panther
jagged pier
#

its week 1

ionic fern
#

@jade panther just ask here.

jagged pier
#

chill

jade panther
#

my dps are really good

jagged ferry
#

Does anyone know off the top of the head what Missive we use for our neck piece? is it Missive of Aurora? Haste + Vers?

hazy sluice
#

I guess your problem is your group, the others are always the culprit !

limpid anchor
#

Haste vers or haste crit

jade panther
ionic fern
limpid anchor
#

I use haste vers and regret it already

jagged pier
#

just recraft

uneven mason
#

Big crit

limpid anchor
#

Ye waiting for 418 neck upgrade

sick sentinel
#

everyone loves big critties

hazy bronze
#

I'm a hasste man myself

hazy sluice
#

Show crits

void summit
#

If you recraft a weapon with an enchant on does the enchant stay?

ionic fern
jagged ferry
#

Thanks lads

sick sentinel
#

big crits are critical to having big mom energy

#

okay i'll stop

limpid anchor
#

Did vrank already ask

#

Or is he dming mwhai

jade panther
#

nah hands busy comin

ionic fern
#

No one DM's me.

limpid anchor
#

Actually, you should dm yogi

ionic fern
sick sentinel
#

i have dms turned off actually

ionic fern
#

Public forum.

hazy sluice
#

That one got deleted faaaast

hazy bronze
#

Yeah I thought I was going crazy kek

limpid anchor
hazy bronze
#

Try sharing a server with him

limpid anchor
#

I should

sick sentinel
#

i literal have all DM's turned off

#

except friends added

ionic fern
#

Ok,ok,ok question bingo from Vrank:
-Why is my damage so low?
-Should i use IP or Revenge?
-What do i use my Outburst procs on?
-Should i use BSV?
-How do i deal with Ruby Life pool?
-Should i focus on haste/crit or haste/vers?
-Which trinkets should i use?
-Where can i see my blocked hits?

sick sentinel
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nothing persennel kid

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just for, protection, security lets say

jade panther
limpid anchor
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They seem bit too basic for running +15s

jade panther
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and yes my dmg is pretty low but i'm playing def stance 100% so far dont wanna mess up

ionic fern
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SEEE???????

limpid anchor
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Kek

jagged pier
sick sentinel
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D-stance Andies

limpid anchor
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Why play def stance

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First mistake

jade panther
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why not ?

ionic fern
uneven mason
jagged pier
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they are using the sonic boom build that does less damage yes

ionic fern
jade panther
limpid anchor
ionic fern
jade panther
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any of u face tanking them is giga chad

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u do 5 no ?

uneven mason
ionic fern
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No. πŸ€”

jade panther
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getting to boss