protection

[south zealot]

waking shore

[warm plinth]

I use leveling guides and auto turn in for everything

[sick sentinel]

i don't quest

[compact jackal]

waking shores obsidian bulwark

[south zealot]

if you want

[warm plinth]

could do haste/crit. Still good for fury but somewhat better for prot

[south zealot]

haste crit is probably more consistent between the two

[sick sentinel]

i just go to the yellow ! guy and i go to where he says on map and kill the things, fialing that type into wowhead search

[warm plinth]

I've been using restedxp. No looking up shit required; you just follow the arrows and click on shit 😂

[loud patrol]

i refuse to pay for that

i miss azeroth auto pilot

[sick sentinel]

found the super duper soaker shaman we talked about one time in SL

[warm plinth]

I didn't pay for it. I got a leaked version/string

[loud patrol]

then thats good

[acoustic jewel]

So I heard about an eng explosive to knock adds in RLP, anyone know how that works?

[neat sable]

so does anybody know why slapping ravager with a @ macro and dragon roar in the same macro..just doesnt work

[warm plinth]

Shoot me a DM if you ever want the hook-up lol

[warm plinth]

Because they are both on the global cooldown

[neat sable]

no as in

even after the global is over. whichever is second

just doesnt worjk

work

[warm plinth]

Macros don't work like that

[neat sable]

???

it works for fury

and arms

[warm plinth]

If both abilities are on the GCD, it's always going to try to cast the ability in the top row first.

Works for what

The reason it works for e.g. Avatar+Ravager is because Avatar is off-GCD. So it's basically just trying to press both buttons every time you hit the macro.

It can't do that if both are on the GCD, so it fails after the first ability in the macro.

[sick sentinel]

i think paying for external wow things to be cringe like paid simulations or rested xp or i don't have other good examples

but im against these types of things in general, sure if its in the game, i guess

[warm plinth]

Eh, I mean, it's wrong for them to charge but I don't mind paying for it if it's worht it to me

I've used Zygor since mid-BFA and I have no regrets paying the $10/mo

But obviously I also have no problem pirating it

[sick sentinel]

ehhh i just wouldn't spend the money on a sub for something like that to begin with

[warm plinth]

That's fair. I don't blame you

[sick sentinel]

my limits of using cheese strats to finish a game knows no bounds

[warm plinth]

RestedXP isn't a sub fwiw. It's a one-time charge

Which I mean, still something oyu ahve to payf or when yos houldn't

I can't type today, holy shit

[sick sentinel]

i find some old game i want to play, and i'll do whatever it takes to beat it, force all the enemies to come to one specific spot, grenade spam, rush the spawn location, whatever it takes

no shame for doing cheese when games are bs imo

[warm plinth]

Did you do the dung pie strategy to kill the capra demon

[sick sentinel]

oh, i didn't play dark souls

[warm plinth]

Shame 😦

Great series (except 2, 2 can burn in hell)

[sick sentinel]

i didn't even make it past the black knight

[warm plinth]

lmao

[sick sentinel]

fought him one time and he beat the shit out of me, never ever played dark souls again, i would play blizzard dark souls

[unreal lily]

What gem is best to put in elemental lariat?

[proven marlin]

are all of the BS weapons the same?

[craggy pilot]

whats best spot to put the 3rd pull in Azure Vault to avoid the whelps? pull back or stand in the alcove?

[warm plinth]

main stat + haste and either haste/crit or haste/vers for the other two

[unreal lily]

Ok thank you!

[sick sentinel]

i played and beat lords of the fallen, cuz that game is dark souls lite

its the same concept but slightly easier

[craggy pilot]

i love when someone accidentally pulls the first whelp on Azure Vault, and everyone just insta leaves. not even trying to CC and kill it or anything

[cinder storm]

I am almost positive they don't pull unless a player stands in the circle, but I pull them to the corner there and luckily, dps have some semblance of rational thinking and they kick the farthest add, only in that pack

[craggy pilot]

like i CCd the whelp for 4 seconds, and 0 dps did any dmg to it 😄

[sick sentinel]

first 2/3rds dual wield agility, then i got fucked up by a 2 in 1 boss, swapped to 2h str hammer/sword

[craggy pilot]

which corner?

[warm plinth]

You don't even gotta fight that guy 😂

[paper coral]

ok, got my rings

[tender cove]

lol, from failures to a 3chest and getting mocked for having attitude in the group about dps being below tanks xD

[paper coral]

that was hella quicl

[tender cove]

but ill take it xD

[cinder storm]

Exactly where the white arrow line starts

[craggy pilot]

ah ok so you pull back ok

[tender cove]

the redemption high is real, cant lie

[sick sentinel]

proof what i am warrior

[craggy pilot]

was what i was trying, and no one was interrupting so they didnt move .... and then DPS leave when whelp is pulled 🤷‍♂️

[cinder storm]

What I do is, pull first two of whelp is coming, pull rest when it's leaving, plus your healer will be happier if other people aren't kicking stunning

If it's far I pull all 4

[sick sentinel]

yeah for real if blizzard made a dark souls, i'd be down to try that

[cinder storm]

Mage tower is the closest thing to it

[shy yoke]

Hey guys, i'm looking at my logs the last couple days trying to figure out what I need to be doing better. One main thing i noticed is I don't always have Shield Charge up and my rage is basically too low to do a proper thunder clap. Any advice on pulling better/chain pulling?

[sick sentinel]

in lords of the fallen, your souls start to drain at the place you died

so, if you died far away with 2700 souls, best hope you know a fast way back to there

[warm plinth]

Thunder Clap generates rage; it doesn't cost rage 🤔

[cinder storm]

Post log

[sick sentinel]

no idea if my logs are being recorded properly BTW

i'll have to look into that

[main pulsar]

Where can I go see what I can spend my Sparks on?

[bleak sundial]

does the strike twice weapon work with devastator?

[warm plinth]

No, it's not a true second hit

Just a damage proc

[sick sentinel]

dammit, i missed the boat to get a practice run in

[bleak sundial]

ooh ok ty man would've been nice xD

[tender cove]

can you disable/despawn a soulwell?

lock placed it exactly on keystone

lmao

[loud patrol]

lol

i think you gotta wait

[warm plinth]

lollll

Yeah just gotta wait. It only takes a min to despawn

[olive patio]

Guys i am thinking about switchin my spec to Prot warrior.. Is that possible without losin so much gear ? Ty for respond

[loud patrol]

yeah ofc

[unreal lily]

I put a fierce illimated diamond in my lariat and it doesn't seem to be proccing at all. Am I missing something?

[olive patio]

I have sent u dm sir

[mighty valley]

you just need a 1h and shield and now you're a prot warrior

[main pulsar]

Help

[olive patio]

What about my stats? I almost got no Vers :/

[mighty valley]

ilvl > haste > crit/vers

stats barely matter

[olive patio]

Really ? I'm glad to hear that . So you're saying I can make it?

[mighty valley]

Yep, just gotta learn how

[olive patio]

I will

Thanks a lot :3

[mighty valley]

Good luck!

[olive patio]

Thanks!

[main pulsar]

is BiS even really a thing in Dragonflight?

[mystic arrow]

were do i find talent trees ?

[candid yoke]

In the pinned comments

[warm plinth]

Main stat gem doesn't proc

[main pulsar]

Question - should I buy the highest quality of Alloy to craft the Molten Defender?

[sick sentinel]

see, here, i like the numbers for ilvl but i hate the enchanted Y/N things

[quartz mist]

this whetstone trinket absolutely SLAPS

[mellow quartz]

it does indeed

[quartz mist]

busted

[mellow quartz]

its a fixed amount of damage no matter what

so it will do a larger % of your overall damage if your overall damage is bad 🙂

[strong forum]

Funny thing I've noticed is that SS is consistently my highest dmg button

Even in m+

[mellow quartz]

with the damage intake in many of these keys you just prio SS for rage and IP dumps I find

[strong forum]

I'm not rly changing prio

It just happens

[mellow quartz]

also who said dark claw in TJS did a lot of damage?

barely a scratch

[craggy pilot]

my just now +14 🤔 so i guess im just like nome on some points

30k overall +14 Temple

[strong forum]

Prolly comes from me playing battering ram

So I just get loads more SS procs

[craggy pilot]

you play battering ram in keys?

[quartz mist]

i play battering ram and barbaric training

revenge PUMPS

[mellow quartz]

I feel like I would die running barbaric training

[quartz mist]

not gonna lie i did a 14 CoS , sat in zerker stance

[autumn urchin]

@mellow quartz can u post talents from that 17 temple

[quartz mist]

and clapped cheeks

[craggy pilot]

impressive, you even swapped to Fury during the key?

[strong forum]

Yeah I don't like barbaric training at all

And yes I player battering ram permanently

It's so good

[autumn urchin]

im in rogues guild that u ran with was just curioous

[quartz mist]

kek fury

[mellow quartz]

just did an 18 TJS and I ran this

[autumn urchin]

ty

[quartz mist]

someone teach that man how to fury , pst him personally

[craggy pilot]

i guess you give up thunderlord or booming voice?

[sick sentinel]

aint no way im doing a keystone tonight, but im gunna get 2 done tomorrow anyways try to get some kind of better 2nd option i guess

[warm plinth]

you don't play thunderlord

[strong forum]

I gave up thunderlord for it yes

[quartz mist]

thunderlord is ghetto ass

[mellow quartz]

I am NOT a fan of evoker healers btw

[pallid quiver]

drop all CDs on the start of a pack

lmao gottem

[mellow quartz]

[pallid quiver]

I like good Evoker healers
those are kinda rare, tho

[warm plinth]

Drop all CDs so you can also drop kekw

[sick sentinel]

i think thunderlords is neato but i don't use it in main build for dungeons

[toxic pewter]

this new loot system in raid already causing drama

[sick sentinel]

pitted against better talents is a better way to put it

[quartz mist]

i love the people with loot council enabled , top tier kek

[mellow quartz]

problem is they kinda suck at tank healing

[tender cove]

meh...ofc i get a ruby 13 xD

[craggy pilot]

i feel like i already have unlimited SS procs, and just dumping all my rage into IP, even outside of CDs... and Battering Ram would make it even more 🤣

[tender cove]

Is there anything to make that dungeon nicer?

or its just bite the bullet?

[warm plinth]

More like bite the pillow

[quartz mist]

thats why i have barbaric training and dump revenge

[sick sentinel]

ummmm hard for me to to say but i have had tons of dragon healers shamans too i think only a few druids and monks though

[quartz mist]

so easy to not cap

[craggy pilot]

do another dungeon and swap it

[tender cove]

im behind the curve on rio so i dont get much invites

[craggy pilot]

even with that i couldnt even dump rage fast enough

i feel like my SS resets so often that i dont have free GCD for Revenge

[sick sentinel]

i'll just say what im thinking and thats that all of paladin and monk needs reworking talents

the entire thing

[mellow quartz]

not SOF?

[craggy pilot]

you can do it on 10 or 11 then

but idk, you can also try it on 13

[sick sentinel]

i don't think i've seen a single paladin healer since launch

[tender cove]

sometimes I get into this super smooth rotation where its almost like dancing 1-2, 1-2, 1-2-3 etc but i dont know why the rotation sometimes plays so inredible well but others not.

[craggy pilot]

when i pop Avatar i can literally TC-SS-TC-SS-TC-SS without getting a single GCD for Revenge

its insane

sometimes i just click Revenge over SS even though its probably the bad thing

feels so bad to dumb 100s of rage into IP

[quartz mist]

for AoE revenge cracked

obv single target diff

[mellow quartz]

TC does more damage than revenge in aoe with UF and during avatar

[craggy pilot]

ye but does SS do more dmg than Revenge in Avatar?

[quartz mist]

my aoe is legit TC / revenge spam

[mellow quartz]

depends on the mob count 🤷‍♂️

[craggy pilot]

the question is always if you SS or you Revenge 🤔 because i feel like i slap TC on CD no matter what

[quartz mist]

seimic reverberation also pumps revenge

[craggy pilot]

maybe in St i should do SS-Revenge-SS

[strong forum]

It's hard to explain

But I often have a healthy mix between SS and Revenge

[craggy pilot]

and its rly hard to get a feel of 😄

[quartz mist]

Im a AoE kinda guy myself , single not so much

[craggy pilot]

it just feels kinda clunky sometimes

[strong forum]

That's from my RLP 17

For example

[craggy pilot]

sometimes SS resets a lot, sometimes it doesnt

[mellow quartz]

the only time I really find myself TC+revenge spamming is tree boss area in AA, thats abt it

[strong forum]

Yeah same

[mellow quartz]

most other times I prio SS for rage

and damage obviously

[strong forum]

If you run yourself dry by exclusively sending tc/revenge

You actually deal less dmg

Than weaving a few SS in there

The only time you'd gain dmg by sending revenge big time over SS is if the mobs are a few globals away from dying

[toxic pewter]

do you guys think its ok for tank to roll on dps trinket or no

[quartz mist]

depends what one

[strong forum]

Absolutely okay

[opaque hearth]

should I use the icy raid spec? first raid tonight.

[toxic pewter]

just getting some passive aggression from a fury warr

[quartz mist]

what trinket

[strong forum]

Raw dmg trinkets, like boon, grieftorch or whetstone are absolutely good to use on the tank

A dps player won't get more dps from them than a tank

[mellow quartz]

the same damage as on a dps lol

[modern sail]

is prot viable in pvp?

[mellow quartz]

#pvp

[craggy pilot]

#pvp try here

[quartz mist]

dont be one of those chads

[strong forum]

It's just the dps player greeding for his own parse

Assuming You both have equal trinkets already

If 1 of you has worse trinkets then the other, then the one who has worse ones obv benefits more overall from getting the new trinket

[shut flare]

im having a hard time tanking the last adds of temple of the jade serpent. done all cds and still nothing. healer thinks im shite. is that really difficult or is it lack of gear? im 377 prot warr doing +12 TJS

[craggy pilot]

kite it

[strong forum]

Those mobs are overtuned

Reflect the dark claw, then kite until they're dead

[craggy pilot]

Spell Relfect, Shockwave, then kite

[untold vessel]

Shouldn’t you always spam revenge for ss proc so u can reset the cd of shield block quicker ?

[mellow quartz]

problem with kiting is the big guy spawns small adds

you cant really get aggro on those

[craggy pilot]

i just did it now, its kinda weird to kite them tho as one of the guys summon new ones

that you have no aggro for :<

[strong forum]

Well yeah

[mellow quartz]

I just face tanked that pack on an 18 and it was 'ok'

[strong forum]

SS > tc > revenge is the general prio

[shut flare]

thank you

[craggy pilot]

🤔 how?

[mellow quartz]

double wall and spell block helps

[craggy pilot]

they hit for 250k in +13 😄

[strong forum]

Yeah spell Block is huge vs them

[untold vessel]

But your damage breakdown from 17 RLP revenge damage is lower than rend

Is that normal

[strong forum]

I did 48k dps that run

I think that's alright

[untold vessel]

My breakdown top 2 is revenge and ss

Maybe I’m doing it wrong

[craggy pilot]

hard to say yes or no to this, as your dmg might depend on pull size etc etc

[mellow quartz]

in general spell block is huge for everything in TJS tbh

[strong forum]

That's from AA16

[warm plinth]

I'll spell block your face

gottem

[strong forum]

Arguably the biggest aoe pad dungeon

[craggy pilot]

slicing maelstrom looking kinda huge

[strong forum]

It is

[craggy pilot]

you use Slicing + Hoof?

[strong forum]

Yea

[craggy pilot]

damn the double on use tech

sick

[untold vessel]

Where is slicing maelstrom from ?

[craggy pilot]

Court of stars

[strong forum]

Court of stars

Bis trinket

For pretty much all content

[craggy pilot]

is it overtuned?

gonna get nerfed chance 99%

[mellow quartz]

its fixed damage

so will do less at 420 ilvl % wise

[strong forum]

It's less overtuned than manic grieftorch and boon from raid

[untold vessel]

But wowhead bis trinket for war tank is both trinket from rlp

[craggy pilot]

i see a lot of other people try to farm it as well, on DPS toons

but i guess thats for early ilvl?

[warm plinth]

% of damage doesn't matter. What matters is which one performs the best numerically. Doesn't matter if it's doing 3% or 8% if it's beating every other trinket.

[craggy pilot]

the guides dont really update super fast, so a bit of things can change

[strong forum]

Ruby shell is whack if you ask me

[mellow quartz]

well I told nome it was good and beta and he pooo poo'ed it (whetstone)

🙂

[craggy pilot]

nah but i mean for DPS people it might be better with some stats when they start having higher weapons etc 🤔

that some "flat dmg"

[strong forum]

I always knew its good

But it's mastery

So it's cringe

[untold vessel]

Is the auto attack damage from cos bis for us as well ?

Ring”

[strong forum]

Yeah that ring owns

[warm plinth]

Crit/haste and weapon damage, yes pls

[mellow quartz]

I just wish I still didn't have a world drop weapon

[sick sentinel]

i have 2 sparks now but, yeah

i haven't really decided anythingi want to make

[craggy pilot]

auto attack dmg ring from COS benefits from BAttering Ram as well i guess 😄

[sick sentinel]

or get made

[craggy pilot]

seems like a sick combo tbh

[warm plinth]

Yes, this is true; even for us it may be true. But you can sim to find the % increase of the non-fixed damage trinkets too

[strong forum]

I'm also still struggling with 382 weapon

[craggy pilot]

379 wep here 😦

[strong forum]

If I had 418 I'd pull 50k every dungeon easyyyy

[craggy pilot]

considering if i should craft wep maybe, but i cant craft it myself...

[warm plinth]

I am probably not gonna be playing much this expansion. None of the dungeons really hold my attention :/

[mellow quartz]

I am out here seeing these 405 ilvl gamers and I have like 390 lol

[toxic pewter]

the trinket was rumbling ruby... I dunno I just feel embarassed i think i made the wrong choice going need on it.. its def an aoe dps trinket.. kind of awkward? but cant tell cuz it was better than what I had

[strong forum]

Well 405 with mega split loot sharing

I'm also still only 393 bags

[mellow quartz]

well WF raiders 🙂

but I am still seeing it

[strong forum]

Rumbling Ruby owns

[toxic pewter]

yah right? cuz i am m+ guy mostly

[craggy pilot]

im only 388 😦

[toxic pewter]

so it seems good for me

and like it has str on it

[strong forum]

Yeah it's super solid

[toxic pewter]

Ok thank you

[sick sentinel]

debating if i want to attempt raid or keys tonight or tomorrow in some desperate attempt

[strong forum]

I almost wanna use the 389 Ruby over my 402 blazebinder

[toxic pewter]

this loot system sort of awkward..

sometimes

I do like it overall though

[mellow quartz]

better than it has been worse than it could be

[sick sentinel]

also debating if i want to change off name tankian, you have no idea how many times i get bothered to do rare spaws in open world or to "go tank" in lfr

[strong forum]

Kek

[north anchor]

is cobalt assembly shield ring better than a 415 haste verse ring defensively?

[craggy pilot]

so which trinkets are good from raid?
Ruby
All-totem
Grimtorch
Boon

anythign else?

or is all-totem not rly good?

[sick sentinel]

blood mallet estimation on raid trinkets

[sacred remnant]

what are stat prios? how much haste should we aim for?

[strong forum]

Yes

[strong forum]

All-totem is super good for m+

In raid not so much

But pretty much all trinkets are good from raid

[craggy pilot]

ah ok, even on normal ilvl?

[strong forum]

That's just a sim question

[sick sentinel]

all totem would be amazing if your primary stats was haste and crit mainly

[wary heath]

I'm near 30% haste unbuffed feeling smooth like butter

[sick sentinel]

my haste is poopy i think, but im 369 in some blues due to 6 helmts and 3 pants

[wary heath]

Lots will be replaced by ilvl though it'll prob drop

[sick sentinel]

at least it gave me a 379 helm with crit hste

[tender cove]

what classes can soothe? rogue, hunter, drood and evoker?

[sick sentinel]

hunter rogue druid are main ones i know of

rogue has the shittiest version, or it did it SL, its melee and on a like 20s cd as opposed to not that and instant or short cast and ranged and lower cd for druid

[tender cove]

Had a hunter in ruby, who kept saying "tranq shot was on cd, sorry". Healer left after 2nd wipe... Looked up the cd...its 10 secs lmao

[sick sentinel]

he wasn't hitting the button

or, not on the right monsters

[modern brook]

?

[tender cove]

yeh, thats why the healer left, he didnt like trying to heal trough a raging dragon and then pack after firelord.

[sick sentinel]

rogues tottally obilerate any caster types in keys as well

[tender cove]

For every pug ive done this week, i understand why meta exists more and more xD

[slim dove]

evoker has the only aoe soothe 🙂

[sick sentinel]

pwar, evo healer, hunter (any), warlock for cookies, fill, (demon hunter say)

thats what i assume meta is like for us

[slim dove]

hunter aint really meta

can't self sustain for shit

but dw about meta unless your pushing top 0.1% keys

[craggy pilot]

pwar, rdruid, enha sham, rogue, monk

seems to be the pump

[sick sentinel]

skill issue when you can 40 yards away attack shit

• pets

[slim dove]

rogue/dh/warlock are the self sustain gods rn

[craggy pilot]

interchangeable with fury warr, boomie, dh

[slim dove]

plenty of mechs require ranged to be stacked on melee

also, thundering

[sick sentinel]

is survival killed now i wonder

[tender cove]

The only consistent pumper i've had in all my runs is warrior.

No idea what spec

[sick sentinel]

was very interesting getting to playing wit melee hunters again

[craggy pilot]

probably fury

[slim dove]

aint ever seen a fury not top the charts in my dungeons lol

[craggy pilot]

wtf is happening with Raszageth Mythic :<

looks hella weird

[sick sentinel]

heres what the warrior i invited for a +5 had

[slim dove]

fight seems super scuffed tbh

glad im not raiding mythic this expac

[acoustic jewel]

So I heard about an eng explosive to knock adds in RLP, anyone know how that works?

[craggy pilot]

there is knockback, but no pools to catch the knockback?

hope the boss gets more interesting later, otherwise its a fairly boring raid to watch

[slim dove]

just waaaay too much going on and its a total visual clusterfuck

[craggy pilot]

none of the bosses have been anything cool to watch

[sick sentinel]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/arms/DAPFERRUUEVRQRphQRCQAOVUURURFJUWhEAUCEQ he was playing this as arms

no idea if its good or not

[uneven mason]

whyyyyyyyyyyyy can't DPS do mechanics on Overgrown ancient

o m f g

[craggy pilot]

its overtuned

thats why

[uneven mason]

"GG Tank" ......they all died to splinterbark

[slim dove]

il keep sayin it, dont pug academy

[craggy pilot]

people are small brain

[uneven mason]

no its literally "do the mechanics"

[craggy pilot]

do they rly say GG tank when they die?

[uneven mason]

yes

[craggy pilot]

kekw

[slim dove]

lul

[craggy pilot]

some people man 😄

[slim dove]

id leave so quick

[craggy pilot]

"i died, it must be the tanks fault"

[sick sentinel]

i figured that fight out LONG time agoo (like 3 days ago or less)

its one of those in out fights

[sick sentinel]

first your in, then your out, then repate

[brave portal]

just need to clear the stacks as the add dies (the one he spawns) - but I just had theee worst encounter in there with a healer who wouldnt heal or res cause i wouldnt go tree boss first

[uneven mason]

that was the healer.

I was like ........ok

[craggy pilot]

90 stacks of lasher toxin on you 🤔

seems like something went wrong 😄

[uneven mason]

Yeah they were all dead

I had been there for anotehr wave of adds

[static aspen]

People still farm their rio. Soon the gap of people you invite and not invite will be more visible. Naturally solving the problem.

[craggy pilot]

maybe he honestly meant you were good, maybe a bit of a stretch 🤣

[static aspen]

I already not inviting people with less than 10 key completed

[sick sentinel]

gunker fight in junkyard is an example of this that im talking about, the goop goes out, then it comes back in, on repeat, just, here on goliath, you are getting ppl to stack on you, so adds stack and can be cleaved

[uneven mason]

Sadly I'm in that boat due to playtime being shit this week

[tender cove]

ive started doing this last 2 runs as well. If they dont have a good amount of keys AND very close to a timed key off what we're doing? no go.

[uneven mason]

was a 9, hadn't done an academy yet, but shit boys, do the mechanics

[sick sentinel]

more you can all stack together, tighter pack of adds is and less chance dps can't hit everything up to aoe cap

[slim dove]

what if that 10 key is shadowmoon?

[sick sentinel]

someone i talk to says to go tree first and then you can just lust kill it

[slim dove]

[craggy pilot]

we should just spam +16 shadowmoon for the crafting shit 🤣

[uneven mason]

IF only we could pick our keys

[sick sentinel]

i need to learn more precisely how to get the engineering item from that one dungeon

[slim dove]

this is basically all i do when my team is offline

[sick sentinel]

tried twice now, didnt get it

[slim dove]

spam 11-15 shadowmoons

[deep spruce]

What's our preferred tier slots?

[tender cove]

the primal infusion? but why shadowmoon?

[warm plinth]

Easiest key to time by far

[craggy pilot]

because its easy

[sick sentinel]

yeah, burial is dead simple

[warm plinth]

Burial grounds, dead, kek

[tender cove]

only done an 11 and was pretty easy yeh. At least in comparision to tree boss xD

[slim dove]

burial is literally -5 in difficulty.

[sick sentinel]

could be a different story with tyranical

[slim dove]

next week it'll be even more free

nah

[sick sentinel]

first boss tho

[warm plinth]

CoS is quite easy too if you have people who have done it before

[deep spruce]

I did a 14 sbg with a group of braindead apes there, wiped twice and they stood on every single rune to summon the spirits, and we still had 4 mins left

[craggy pilot]

Shadowmoon last boss laser does big dmg though

if healer is not rdy for it

[deep spruce]

Anyways, what's our preferred tier slots?

[craggy pilot]

and the pack before last boss is also kinda big

[sick sentinel]

i can 100% seeing the first boss blow up a group next week and everyone rage quits the key

loads of ppl don't understand about the white rune on the ground

[warm plinth]

Bit early to be talking about preferred tier slots. Just get 4 pieces of tier

[slim dove]

ez to tell them

"sit on inner runes, dont move off"

[warm plinth]

can't really sit on them though or you drop daggerfall on them

[sick sentinel]

i gotta be honest, looking back, that dungeon didn't age very well

[slim dove]

i mean during the intermission lmao

yeah dont drop daggerfall on the runes

[warm plinth]

kek

[sick sentinel]

thing is, next week is grevious, so, we are going to see everyone cry buff healer

100% this will happen, riots type shit

[deep spruce]

Which raid trinkets do we want? Need to do my loot sheet 🙃

[slim dove]

next week is so free

compared to this

outside of a few keys

[slim dove]

manic torch and boon I think

[weary python]

Declined to literally every single +15 with 392 ilevel and 1250 io. it's rough out there.

[uneven mason]

We're literally trash after the last round of nerfs you know

[loud patrol]

why do we keep playing man

[warm plinth]

Maybe tanks are just strong enough that there are enough people playing them

[uneven mason]

Because we're too angry to quit

[loud patrol]

i want that

so people trash talk them

and they stop beign such asses

[fast pollen]

Does anyone have any tips for Azure vault's final boss? I generate so much healing aggro the Crackling Vortex's always chase me hard

[mellow quartz]

stand still for 4s and the debuff goes away

use heroic leap to get away

charge out of the way when pillars come if in range

use avatar if needed to reset stacks as it breaks roots

if you talent intervene use that on friendlies

[loud patrol]

if none of that is available, die

[tender cove]

if ruby and tree boss is hardest dungeons. Is valor and shadowmoon the easiest?

[static aspen]

Tree boss is not a dungeon pal

[tender cove]

you dont say...

[tender cove]

did you have anything to contribute or were you just aiming to be as useless as you could possible respond?

[warm plinth]

Probably like SBG>CoS/HoV with SBG being easier

[tender cove]

cool. Haven't really done cos df version yet but remember it from timewalking m+

[warm plinth]

It hasn't really changed much except for the engineer orb and the hunter trap. It feels like they moved a few mobs slightly too which makes them easier to body pull by accident

Worst part is 100% the area around the 2nd beacon. The constructs and the pack inside the building by the beacon (to the right, not the one with the sentry in the doorway) seem to be much easier to pull by accident than they were even in TW

[tender cove]

Can you get away with disabling 4/5?

maybe even 3/5?

[warm plinth]

I wouldn't. No reason to deal with adds on 1st boss if you don't have to

You can't really skip that area entirely anyway because of true sight on the constructs

[tender cove]

ahh, thats bit meh

[static aspen]

Contribute to what? You called a tree boss a dungeon. Im good, thanks

[regal pier]

when you guys are saying "tree boss" are you talking about AA?

[south zealot]

yes

[twilit jungle]

Trouble deciding between Sonic Boom/Rumbling Earth vs Troar/Thunderous Words. Thoughts?

[loud patrol]

no cap stones for shockwave

both are bad

[south zealot]

i personally dont use roar

and i go double shcokwave

[loud patrol]

how can you not like roar

is free top of meters dps

[warm plinth]

Roar is more damage than shockwave

[south zealot]

i l;ike it i just dont use it

[warm plinth]

And doesn't require you to hit your aoe stun on CD

[south zealot]

shockwave is more consistent for pugs

[twilit jungle]

#1 on raider.io uses capstones for shockwave. Just made me curious. I've been trying to make it make sense, but i cant lol

that makes sense

[loud patrol]

raider io people uses whack builds

[warm plinth]

Wouldn't it be better for pugs to be able to use your stun when you need it, not when it comes off CD

Not sure what you mean by more consistent for pugs. I want to be able to use my stops when I need to in a pug

[regal pier]

So when you have all those poisons stacked for tree boss dont you just live and barely take any damage if you pop spell reflect shield wall?

Or even if you take Spell Block

[loud patrol]

havent you been stacked to 700k dmg per 2 secs?

[warm plinth]

The poison can stack up to 99 so...no lol

[regal pier]

what level keys are you guys doing to where they live that long

[loud patrol]

10+

10+ it can get whack

[warm plinth]

10+ with pugs is a wild wasteland man

[twilit jungle]

Don't you just take spell block for tree boss?

[regal pier]

im doing like 10-12s and they are cc'ed shockwaved and dead before i get to 40 stacks

Yea thats what im saying...

[tender cove]

Its still one of the hardest dungeons, does it matter if I call it tree boss, elemental boss or aa?

[warm plinth]

You can, yeah

[regal pier]

You take no damage if you take spell block

and then the second time you pop last stand and shield wall

[loud patrol]

school boss

[warm plinth]

Your initial question was spell reflect though, not spell block

[tender cove]

Aaaand, we have a winner. That's what im calling it from now on, so fitting.

[regal pier]

ok but we are complaining about modern problems have modern solutions

[warm plinth]

But aren't all of them school bosses

Since the entire dungeon is a school

[loud patrol]

yeah but hits like a fcking bus

[warm plinth]

😂

Magic Schoolbus boss

[tender cove]

I just meant its schooling pugs xD

[loud patrol]

spell block is 2m cd right?

[tender cove]

1.5

[warm plinth]

won't be up for every add wave that pops insta

Which are the dangerous ones

[loud patrol]

yeah that will be enough for only 1 or 2 phases of the 3-4 that may be on a 15

[regal pier]

Yea so you use it the first time around and then pop last stand/shield wall and spell reflect and hopefully everythign dies

[twilit jungle]

Another question. The explanation on wowhead is a little confusing. FbV or BV? Dunno how 15% translates into 30% leech

[loud patrol]

lets use math

reflect 1 charge

[warm plinth]

FbV for now because BrV is still bugged (to my knowledge)

[loud patrol]

ans SW is 30%}

700k -30%

[tender cove]

Wasn't the damage profile high enough that it still won?

Because IP doesn't cap.

[loud patrol]

490k

[warm plinth]

SW is 40%, and SR is 20% for 5 seconds

The DR on spell reflection stays for the whole 5 seconds now, regardless if it reflects something or not.

[regal pier]

this is some killer math but this equation also banks on the fact that you actually get 99 stacks on you right?

[loud patrol]

420k

[warm plinth]

IP does cap

[loud patrol]

that happens in less than 15 secs

[warm plinth]

Well if you're in the average pug, it's definitely possible, especially if you don't have a poison cleanse. And it happens really fast because you have like 20 adds

[loud patrol]

and thats only with 78 stacks actually

[warm plinth]

20 melees = 20 stacks instantly

[tender cove]

It's 6am and im tired as hell and might just have misread nom but I think he said BV still wins, because it still adds the 15% and since IP breaks at higher keys, it doesn't cap and it doesn't lose value to the bug.

[warm plinth]

It's a bullshit design

[tender cove]

But yeh, dont qoute me on it

[regal pier]

Regardless, seems legit just seems like it seems coordinated stuns/shockwave and cd usage

But in a pug wasteland i can see how its insane

[warm plinth]

Yeah I think as you do higher stuff, it becomes sitll worth to use it for that reason

[loud patrol]

i think u think that the add phase lasts for like 5 seconds

[warm plinth]

Also I'm so happy nome is using BrV now instead of BV 😊

[regal pier]

I suppose ive been spoiled

[warm plinth]

You spoiled son of a bitch

Give me your groups

[loud patrol]

lmao same

gib groups

not those evokers with 14.5k dps

[warm plinth]

:kekw

[regal pier]

Thats what im shocked by the 99 stacks dude its just nuts to me

[warm plinth]

It is overtuned though. The poison should not stack that high

Or that fast

[loud patrol]

that fast tbh

[pallid quiver]

It's partially wild to me that there's no ICD on it

not that it stacks as high as it can

[tender cove]

I'm more curious how he actually survived 99 stacks 😒

[loud patrol]

u dont lmao

[tender cove]

think i've had like 30-40 as max and its been hell

[loud patrol]

99 stacks should hit around 900k 1m

enough to delete legion tanks

[warm plinth]

just git gud 4Head

😭

[fast pollen]

Thanks, didn't think of saving avatar

[fast pollen]

I leave one beacon up for that fight

Prefer to do minimal pulls on that dungeon

[dawn mantle]

Is there a build that lets me maximize my dps while still being prot?

[loud patrol]

pretty much m+

all builds lets you maximise dmg without sacrificing too much surv

[dawn mantle]

i feel like my dmg output is very low

[tender cove]

I did a +2 and accidentally body pulled boss with 3/5 killed and we just cleaved it down but was also a 2 so yeh
Figured maybe you'd do the same to save time on higher keys

[loud patrol]

prob u had the same problem as me and you are just not doing the rotation right

[dawn mantle]

whatd you do differently?

[loud patrol]

spam more lmao

[dawn mantle]

.<

[loud patrol]

i was sitting in so much extra rage

only not letting it cap by using ip

[tender cove]

do you have logs? if not, start logging runs, upload and post here and people can tell you exactly but often its ABC (always be casting) and overcapping rage like calcuhcimac said

[dawn mantle]

gotcha

[twilit jungle]

Just started this xpac to wow. Mained Fury, but my group needs a tank. Currently trying to learn/teach myself prot. Can I trust hekili similar to when I learned Fury, or should I forgo it whilst playing prot? I've heard that hekili will not prioritize defensives at all

I have been studying the prio/rotation

[tender cove]

Try have a comfortable spam keybind for SS, rev, tc and IP. You'll spam all those a lot and IP is also off GCD so you can press it same time as the others. And the more rage you spend, the faster avatar comes off cooldown and the more dps you do.

[lethal nexus]

Sorry for picking that up again, but you always want to go 4/5 no?

[dawn mantle]

i think i have a fairly comfy keybind rotation for them all...my iLevel is 378 but i dont feel like my dps is where it should be

[loud patrol]

dont depend on a dps rotation tracker

[tender cove]

I asked the question myself so no idea.

[lethal nexus]

You should

[loud patrol]

is nice to learn rotation but in tanking theres so many situational stuff

[lethal nexus]

If you disable 5/5 you get extra rp at the end

Which is like +30s

[loud patrol]

like for example you might need to literally spam IP for a couple of gcds to survive something

[twilit jungle]

Heard, thats what I thought. Just wanted to confirm with some experienced warriors. Thank you

[tender cove]

It comes with practice and doing your ABC but logs is a must to tell you in detail

[dawn mantle]

okay thanks

[tender cove]

if you use rio addon? go into settings and enable "combat logging" and it will log everytime you go into dungeon

[twilit jungle]

I suppose I'd have to learn that as I go. Im thinking during certain boss mechanics?

[loud patrol]

even during certain trash in some high enough dungeons in some weeks

for example the spear guys in nokhud this week

or those wolves in HoV

[heady nest]

Are you using rev when it procs or constantly spamming it?

[loud patrol]

or get an addon like loggerhead that does that automatically

[loud patrol]

if im in a nice place with IP and my SB wont run out soon then i go nuts

[dawn mantle]

every time my WA tells me too

[heady nest]

What w/a are you using?

[dawn mantle]

Hijack

[loud patrol]

the WA prob tell u when it procs

[wary heath]

sub 16s all giving below 400 ilvl gear feels wrong

idk

[loud patrol]

wait til vault and when u get mythic raid lvl gear

[wary heath]

true, i shouldn't complain

I've been farming CoS

[compact jackal]

I like CoS because I enjoy watching DPS asspull extra trash.

[wary heath]

yeah the section with the mana wyrms, sentry, and multiple packs nearby always makes me shudder

[twilit jungle]

thanks, bud. i appreciate the help. Disc friends are all veterans and tbh im trash. They starting to play without me. Trying to catch up asap lmfao

[wary heath]

then thundering and quaking goes off

[compact jackal]

I hate that specific part because the sentry generally means you pull the house too

[wary heath]

just did a +15 pug and everything went exactly as planned, and zero ass pulls. it's like the dps had brains

[compact jackal]

I dream of having a 10-15 key where I'm below DPS on DPS.

[twilit jungle]

Unfortunately I've already spent my sparks on lariat + pants as fury. Hopefully it doesnt screw me over long term as prot

[wary heath]

youll get another spark in a week

interesting choice to make pants though

that's a tier slot

[compact jackal]

I don't want to get a Lariat

[twilit jungle]

by tier slot you mean the raid armor? tbh idk what im doing and wowhead said its good for m+. Havent seen myself doing raids in the near future

[civic holly]

at what haste % will shield block become 10s cd?

[wary heath]

not raid armor

even M+ gear can be turned into a tier piece

so you will need that leg slot free

in theory

[twilit jungle]

ah, i didnt know that

[wary heath]

it's semi new, as of last expansion

you can just elect to not use the leg tier piece, if it matters, but you'll probably have that slot replaced by then anyway

you probably will not primal infusion your crafted legs...

[lucid dew]

I made the engi pieces. Kind of feel they aren’t worth

Maybe I’ll keep the bracers for BR

[twilit jungle]

so primal infusion creates tier slot?

[lucid dew]

No

[compact jackal]

I haven't even looked into it. Does the catalyst use sparks or is it just like the old one?

[lucid dew]

Wait what does the catalyst use

Will there be a new currency that comes out?

[twilit jungle]

at the time when i got the legs it seemed worth. Now, finding out that you only get haste for about the first 10 sec of pull, doesnt seem worth

that haste is nice though

[lucid dew]

I think the embellishments we will use are frost fire belt and larriet

Long term at least

[compact jackal]

fuck lariat

[lucid dew]

Why?

[wary heath]

the catalyst opens january 23rd, 2023

[compact jackal]

392 Lariat with the uptime/downtime is 178.5 stat

bracers are 196 vers

[wary heath]

the currency isn't in the game yet

[lucid dew]

Lariat is free stats though

[fast pollen]

Use glacial phial, I've been making them for myself and it's doing 10-15% of my dps each dungeon

[civic holly]

about 62% haste is 10second shieldblock cd

[twilit jungle]

even in m+? WH says its best for raids. Mind you, I don't have enough knowledge about wow to think for myself just yet

[toxic pewter]

how bad is a 'wasted' spark in the big picture

[warm plinth]

what do you mean by wasted?

[compact jackal]

as long as you have 4 in 30y, yeah.

[lucid dew]

Not that bad

[toxic pewter]

made a helm and i am gonna get tier helm probably

so it made my spark helm wasted prob

[compact jackal]

I wonder if I can make a WA to track the uptime of the bracers to see what the average vers an M+ run is

[warm plinth]

I mean, you don't have tier helm right now

So not really wasted

[toxic pewter]

true

[warm plinth]

And you'll get more sparks

[toxic pewter]

but i got a primal infusion

should i use on my engi helm

[twilit jungle]

Forgive me, 4 in 30y?

[toxic pewter]

i guess i will

[warm plinth]

If you're planning on getting tier helm then I probably wouldn't use it on a helm

[twilit jungle]

doh

im gonna go jump off a bridge now

[lucid dew]

I made engi hem too

[toxic pewter]

right... not like im planning to get tier helm but this is why people said not to use spark on tier slot

i like my engi helm but the tier situation is annoying

i guess I can just use gloves

[lucid dew]

Meh you don’t have to use tier in helm

[warm plinth]

Do you already have high ilevel weapon/shield?

[compact jackal]

Lariat can be haste tho

comes down to 178.5 haste vs 196 vers

[toxic pewter]

389 weapon 402 shield

[lucid dew]

I just feel like the tinkers haven’t been that useful

[warm plinth]

Gotcha

And I'm assuming you made lariat already?

[lucid dew]

Flamethrower is hard to use effectively

[toxic pewter]

can make a 405 weapon tuesday maybe if i use my primal and tuesdays spark

[warm plinth]

Yeah, that would be worth it probably, depending on what level keys/raid you're doing

[compact jackal]

isn't the next spark in 2 weeks?

[toxic pewter]

yes 405 lariat

[toxic pewter]

yah I think making a 405 weapon would be good..

[warm plinth]

Yeah next spark is the 27th

[toxic pewter]

omg right

forgot its not every week lol

[warm plinth]

Yeh every 2 weeks til you have 5 then it'll be a random rare drop

[toxic pewter]

ill get another primal by then probably

[twilit jungle]

so, considering I have lariat + legs now, should I replace legs with bracer next spark?

[warm plinth]

Yeah most likely

as long as you're playing

[compact jackal]

we have 3 more sparks until we start getting them from regular gameplay

[twilit jungle]

Dunno if that lost spark will effect me much. Long term doesnt seem like it will, considering we only can have 2 embellishments

[warm plinth]

If you're going for long term, then you're probably gonna want like...lariat + helm or wrists

Depending on where your tier slots end up

[crude notch]

where's nom

that's the dumbest tweet

i've ever seen

[warm plinth]

😴

what tweet

[crude notch]

And I've seen my fair share of donald trump tweets

🤡

[compact jackal]

only issue I can really see is helm is one of the boosted ilvl tier slots from raid drops

[warm plinth]

yeh

wrists is the safer play for sure

[compact jackal]

and helm requires you to be taking damage anyways

[warm plinth]

Yeah I consider everything through the lens of M+ though so that's on me lol

[twilit jungle]

what is helm name?

[warm plinth]

Infurious Helm of Vengeance

[compact jackal]

wrist, lariat, belt with ring, weapon with adornment

[twilit jungle]

ty sire

[compact jackal]

those are the best imo

[solemn juniper]

could anyone take a look at our prot war and see what could be improved on? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/63jfkRBZVcbwt9vL/

[compact jackal]

They don't interfere with slots, they're all pretty decent

[warm plinth]

Yeah and in the end, outside of lariat they're all fairly comparable, or close enough that your biggest upgrade slot is probably the right play

[compact jackal]

am I crazy or do I not see a single revenge?

[solemn juniper]

okay so im not the only one

[compact jackal]

also he cast shield block FOUR times

[warm plinth]

BRO

LOL

That's gotta be the worst pwar log I've ever seen

[compact jackal]

Allow me to recite my horror story

[warm plinth]

Imagine getting a 2 parse

[compact jackal]

"WHY WOULD I USE RAGE ON SHIELD BLOCK INSTEAD OF IGNORE PAIN"

[warm plinth]

He has a 35.7 CPM btw LOL

[solemn juniper]

no haze pls learning step :o

[compact jackal]

and the healers saying "He's not taking that much damage"

[warm plinth]

Is he just sleeping

[compact jackal]

I wonder what my cpm on normal is

[warm plinth]

He pressed SB once on Dathea

[onyx briar]

How are the alchemy trinkets looking for us? Any good or na?

[tawdry lynx]

you should see my sennarth parse when I was in hour into having taken a trazadone to go to bed immediately after raid but i got talked into staying on

[warm plinth]

I have feedback for him, one sec.

[compact jackal]

My orange on it was 58 cpm

[solemn juniper]

lol

[warm plinth]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-guide tell him to read this starting at the beginning

[compact jackal]

lol

[solemn juniper]

lmfao ty xD

[compact jackal]

I don't know why that made me laugh so much

[solemn juniper]

made me fuckin die

[warm plinth]

Like we couldn't possibly give him feedback until he gets a basic understanding of the spec

which he clearly does not have

[compact jackal]

Download Hekili ezpz

[warm plinth]

God it probably would actually improve his gameplay sadly

[compact jackal]

||I like Hekili||

[warm plinth]

But if he's still got questions after reading the guide, have him come see us

We'll help all we can

[tawdry lynx]

hekili would help a lot

the rotation is pretty brain dead, im sure hekili isn't THAT far off

[warm plinth]

I don't like Hekili because it disincentivizes and discourages improvization

I think it's a useful skill for tanks to have to be able to know how to adjust on the fly

instead of just blindly pressing what an addon tells you to

[compact jackal]

I think the only bad thing Hekili does is what it says it does poorly, which is a bit too much IP

[warm plinth]

But it's probably good enough to get you through the basics I suppose

[compact jackal]

Oh right, by default it tells you when to use SW/LS doesn't it?

[tawdry lynx]

especially if one of them is your tanks

[compact jackal]

If they get it, make sure they go and disable it telling them to use shield wall/last stand tbh

[tawdry lynx]

you can separate out defensives

[warm plinth]

Oh shit, Luerce is here

[pallid quiver]

That log is so rough, I checked for blocked hits, and I went "Oh, 80%, that's not that bad"

[warm plinth]

and @ionic fern hi ily

[pallid quiver]

but it's 80% not blocked hits

[warm plinth]

:kekw

[pallid quiver]

[ionic fern]

Goood morning.

[twilit jungle]

You are a gentleman and a scholar

[warm plinth]

Nah Mwahi is the scholar. He did the hard work of writing the guide

[pallid quiver]

scholars don't write shit, they just read that and recite it back like they're google

[paper coral]

This was me when I first got back to warrior after time off. I learned tho.

[compact jackal]

I have yet to have a pug pwar do over 15k dps

[twilit jungle]

IP vs spells / SB vs AAs, correct?

[limpid anchor]

Pwar is busted that the only spell you gotta presss is ip and you still kill bosses

[pallid quiver]

i think their raid carried them; the pwar in the log died twice

[paper coral]

You want to keep IB and SP up as close to 100% as possible.

[twilit jungle]

o boffum, okay

[limpid anchor]

I let ip fall off so bv works :>

[paper coral]

If you dont have the rage for it, pull more.

[pallid quiver]

SB up at all times; We can easily both get 100% uptime on SB and keep pumping rage in IP

[paper coral]

EASILY 100% SB uptime.

[pallid quiver]

In both ST and AOE

[paper coral]

Ye

[pallid quiver]

in fact, in a lot of cases, you continue casting IP while it's still at full or will overcap just to send the rage

[paper coral]

Which is affected first? I thought blocks came first in the combat roll

[pallid quiver]

They both are affected; any damage you end up taking goes half into your HP bar, half into IP unless it overwhelms your IP

[compact jackal]

Forgive me father for I failed to keep it up.

[ionic fern]

What fight is that?

[pallid quiver]

It's just for BrV, you need IP to fall off before it works again

[compact jackal]

Sennarth

[pallid quiver]

I only checked the Kurog fight if we're talking about the log posted earlier that people were mentioning

[paper coral]

So, since we're talking about mistakes we made while learning. I didn't know that the "damage you do gets added to your IP" only gave you IP AFTER YOU PRESSED IP ONCE. If you dont have any IP, the damage doesn't do anything

[compact jackal]

I only checked Kurog because I like calling him Kellogg

[limpid anchor]

But for the guy who asked for feedback: replace the pwar. Ez raid upgrades

[ionic fern]

I half AFK'ed my Sennarth kill and still got 65% block up-time.

😂

[paper coral]

there were logs to look at? where?

[ionic fern]

Oh, i diddn't see another log.

[compact jackal]

Iunno. I seem to easily get 88-94, but I struggle with 95-100 tbh

[pallid quiver]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/63jfkRBZVcbwt9vL/

[limpid anchor]

Scroll up a bit, guy called celestial king

[pallid quiver]

Those ones were the ones posted before

[ionic fern]

What talents are you running?

[pallid quiver]

They were asking if we had advice for their P War

[compact jackal]

The ones where I'm bad for not having 100% uptime.

[pallid quiver]

the advice was to, uh, go to icy veins and look at your guide

[paper coral]

@pallid quiver is this from celestial king?

[pallid quiver]

Yeah

[limpid anchor]

I dont know how people parae so bad tho

[pallid quiver]

so we've seen those ones posted already; nothing new, just letting Mwahi know

[compact jackal]

I think this is what I ran on Sennarth? Iunno

[pallid quiver]

He just simply doesn't know how the class is played, so he keeps dying in almost every fight

[limpid anchor]

Ye but that he doeamt try to figure it out

[paper coral]

im almost scared to see my logs

[limpid anchor]

Like, reading at least a basic guide would give you a 50% parse

[ionic fern]

Ah, okay, i ran:

[paper coral]

Oof, Sennarth

thats mine

[pallid quiver]

You don't know you're doing something wrong unless you spend the extra effort to realize it. Things are sometimes out of your control in raid, and if you don't know what to look for, you just don't know what's happening

It's easy to forget that if you do know what's going on, but those logs are from a normal raid. There's a very high chance the P War in question just doesn't even know or understand that there are guides on how to play specs

[paper coral]

Side note, diurna, the 7/8 boss we are fucking MADE for those adds

Holy shit.

I took like no damage from them with shield block

[pallid quiver]

i wouldn't know

pug life tells me i'm only allowed to play fury

[compact jackal]

I got to do adds one on Diurna

it was nice

[limpid anchor]

:(

[warm plinth]

yuge

[paper coral]

I tried doing the boss and i could do it, but I think the bear does a better job on it than I do. he has more self healing.

[compact jackal]

yet somehow I got an orange while not doing adds on Diurna

While having to call everything out for people

[paper coral]

I got a 65 on sennarth and a 62 on Terros.

[compact jackal]

Nothing like a boss where you can describe a mechanic as simply existing.

[paper coral]

I'm not gonna talk about my other ones.

[compact jackal]

My worst parse is Raszageth tbh

[ionic fern]

It's fine.

[paper coral]

Yeah all you do is walk around pretty much and avoid where the adds are spawning. It's a healer check as long as you have a CD for the mortal wounds

[compact jackal]

Oh man I wonder if there's a map of Diruna's room

we could totally talk egg routes

[pallid quiver]

There is somewhere

[ionic fern]

Mine's Diurna..

[paper coral]

My DBM kept yelling at me to taunt off my co-tank for diurna, like.. no you fucking stupid addon. i'm not doing that

[pallid quiver]

I think Wowhead's strategy guide has a painted on route or something

[ionic fern]

Granted we diddn't know what we were doing.,

😂

[paper coral]

@ionic fern i hate you.

[ionic fern]

[compact jackal]

what a seemingly weird route

[paper coral]

I hate you because I dont know how to play my class and your excellence highlights that discrepancy

[ionic fern]

We diddn't have a route at all, just ran around., 😂

[paper coral]

Thats what we did.

[ionic fern]

Log.

[limpid anchor]

We used that and it worked fine

[ionic fern]

Analyse logs.

Improve.

[compact jackal]

but then again I used this awful one lmao

[limpid anchor]

My eyes

[loud patrol]

wot

[compact jackal]

I call it "Don't trust the co-tank to not have the adds too close when you're near"

every time I've greeded for the 233 or 207 eggs they end up with the adds too close 🤷

[compact jackal]

I died on Raszageth at the end

[ionic fern]

Raszageth did so little damage compared to wednesday.

No idea why.

[compact jackal]

I died at like 8% or something?

one healer was up or something

[lament zealot]

Do you guys place B-stance in raid?

[limpid anchor]

So far, im perma bstance

Except if healers are strugglig or the other tank failed

But then again, my logs are shit compred to mwhai :(

[lament zealot]

Yeah I must suck fat peepee because I'm not doing good parse wise.

[warm plinth]

Kinda think there was a less vulgar way to put that in a public discord but alright o_o

[lament zealot]

fixed it

[warm plinth]

just don't want you to get spanked

[crude notch]

Well, someone has to be the grey parser, the others appreciate your lack of hands

[ionic fern]

100% b-stance

B stance everywhere.

Actually, i think i went d-stance on the +16 Nokhud we did on the Tempest boss.

Cause we had no mage/DH/Hunter to remove the boss buff.

[limpid anchor]

Mwahi whats your gear?

[ionic fern]

Now, or when i did the Nokhud? 😂
Cause my gear went from 379 to 389 from Wednesday to Sunday.

[limpid anchor]

Nokhud

And the 99 parses :(

[ionic fern]

The 99 parses were 379

[limpid anchor]

Well. Guess i suck then big times

[ionic fern]

I can't find Nokhud. 😦
But since we did it a few days ago..i wanna say, probably around 384 or something.

[ionic fern]

Doubt.

[limpid anchor]

Time to analyze my logs today, woohoo

[ionic fern]

That's the best part.

And remember..when ever you feel like you're starting to look good on logs..just look at Sense's logs to immediately feel bad again.

[young mango]

Any Tuning known for m+? Kinda feel tjs is sick 3rd boss hurts

[ionic fern]

3rd..? The panda?

The only thing that hurts is the Jade dot.

Everything else is w/e.

[young mango]

Yeah exactly

[ionic fern]

Just pop a defensive.

But no known dungeon tunings yet.

😦

There are way worse offenders than that tho.

😂

[young mango]

Shit lived for every With weak dps feels so bad to fucking hustling on a low key Boss in a forty week

[ionic fern]

No idea what you tried to type.

But..if you are having low DPS that's not a tuning issue.

That's your DPS'ers being bad issue.

From the top of my head what' hurting the most:
-Jade temples thrash before the last boss
-Ruby thrash before the second boss
-Nokhud Raging Tempest boss (if no dispell on the boss buff)
-Nokhud duo boss (tornado + random shoot RNG can 1 shot someone)

Probably forgot someting..but too early in the morning to figure out what.

[young mango]

Sure there is a lot hurting. But havent run high enough yet. To See the real pain. Just from Memory tjs was easy back in the days. When vengance was a think.

[cinder nova]

Thrash?

I thought they removed thrash on NPCs

[warm plinth]

He means trash

[young mango]

Is there anything useful to know for Ruby pools 2nd boss trash

[cinder nova]

SPEAK AMERICAN, MWAHI

IN MY COUNTRY WE SPEAK AMERICAN

[ionic fern]

SPEAK ESTONIAN.

[cinder nova]

Spear

[warm plinth]

living bomb damages mobs

[ionic fern]

Assign kicks/stuns and hope for the best.

[cinder nova]

People not stacking for germinate

[young mango]

K idk seems like ppl have to learn how to proper kick so they just random kick whatever is possible.

[warm plinth]

The flamedancer channel is probably the worst thing

Which has to be stunned/incapped/whatever

[young mango]

Yea this cant be kicked

But isnt ist dodgable?

[lyric elm]

I heard you can dispel it

Someone needs to verify that tho

You can dodge it yes

[warm plinth]

I'm not talking about blaze of glory (which is the near death thing), I'm talking about flame dance

Which afaik hits the entire group no matter where they are

[ionic fern]

OH, i remember one more..
The trash before the Arcane boss in academy.

[warm plinth]

Blaze of Glory is the thing that puts the swirlies everywhere

[fast knot]

You bring bomb into pack

[ionic fern]

All of the trash issues stem from the fact that there are just too much cordination/kicks needed.

[fast knot]

and don't desync the cast

[loud patrol]

isnt riftbreath the only dangerous thing about the wyrms?

ohhh

[fast knot]

Double battleaxe

[ionic fern]

Not wyrms.

[loud patrol]

you mean inside the area

[fast knot]

is going to fucking deck kids lol

[ionic fern]

Inside area of the boss.

The worms are w/e.

[fast knot]

plus dps not kicking leer

[bronze delta]

In Academy there is only Scepter with Arcane Rain (or something like that)

[ionic fern]

Nope.

[fast knot]

Mystic Blast will do some serious work

if you let that cast

[ionic fern]

The trash inside the arcane boss area

Wrecks you

Literally one shot people on a +16.

😂

[warm plinth]

Tuning is fine though

[lyric elm]

That needs a stop yes

[warm plinth]

[bronze delta]

ok .. I do skull the Scepter so always interrupt Mystic Blast as well xD

[ionic fern]

It wouldn't be so bad..if there wouldn't be 50 IMPORTANT things to kick every trash pack.

[fast knot]

My guild still wants to just yolo RLP and I'm done with them for the week

[ionic fern]

I tried to do some dungeons with pug's while waiting for my group to come on..around +10.
And we literally died cause i couldn't call kicks and people were monging them.

[brave tapir]

Dont know what you guys are talking about, I’m sleeping in academy Monotonous lecture shilling

[lyric elm]

RLP is a mythic raid instance kek