How do i train my whelp?
#protection
hidden axle
Yo I killed rasz and didn’t realise there was a quest to get some primal infusion bs
Just when I was free of the pug nightmare
hidden axle
I’m in a guild but they raid twice a week and ain’t the best lmao
icy bane
Yeah just get a guild with a open tank spot that’s clearing Ras 🙂
hidden axle
But they rl homies
icy bane
Flame primal shell sims pretty high bro
chilly brook
Yeah just get a guild with a open tank spot that’s clearing Ras 🙂
It’s not entirely out of the question
Sometimes tanks wanna pump and go dps
slim dove
or learn fury (lol) and say you can do both
limber flame
isnt fury like opposite stat prio
livid aurora
Flame primal shell sims pretty high bro
You mean the turtle one? That resets and has you going back to get the correct buff?
slim dove
You mean the turtle one? That resets and has you going back to get the correct b...
been fixed for a while
limber flame
does it reset?
slim dove
i do 40k on dummy just fine with my crit/haste heavy gear as fury.
toxic geyser
or any class
There are diminishing returns over 30% but no cap
sick sentinel
just a lower value for your haste you gain over 30 percent right
is getting crit stat up even worth it? its still a chance at the end of the day no? why not just go full vers as second stat?
jagged pier
u get haste until 40%
and yes crit is worth it, in m+ its equal to vers defesnivly as it increases your parry as most of the damage u take in m+ is melees u stop more of them going through which averages out to a lot of damage stopped. albeit a bit rng
and its is better for damage than vers
so all in all its a good stat
that being said nothing wrong with vers
but if u think x% vers if going to save u, thats the wrong mind set stats have very very little to do with tankiness
its is pretty much all about play
sick sentinel
im not saying that im only relying on vers lol
its just garunteed dmg and less dmg taken
chilly brook
You’re guaranteed damage with crit as well
Just like you’re guaranteed less damage taken with crit
That’s how percentages work
sick sentinel
really? explain to me how they work i wish to know
i thought it would still be a chance since thats what the stat directly says, but educate me plz
zenith sky
So, how has engineering been for prot wars in m+ so far? I'm undecided on my second profession (don't need gold). I'm wondering what utility having engineering now really brings in m+; I've heard some people say good things about at flamethrower (?).
chilly brook
Just like with a quarter being a 1/2 chance if you take an average you’ll get around 50% for both sides
sick sentinel
So, how has engineering been for prot wars in m+ so far? I'm undecided on my sec...
rocket boots i think and Brez
huge for a prot
how much does it cost to fully unlock brez
chilly brook
If you start adding weight to either side you’ll impact the results
The same is true for crit
TLDR adding crit is guaranteed damage and mitigation
How much and when is going to have some variance but that’s just the nature of it
sick sentinel
Versatility is roughly equal to Critical Strike and better in some situations, as it is a source of flat constant damage reduction and not random like Parries provided by Critical Strike.
it says that on icy viens
chilly brook
Ok
chilly brook
I mean Mwahi is in here you can ask him exactly why he put that in there
But generally crit will be better offensively
And like Jakey said it’s equal defensively
keen star
afaik guide writers are obliged to write at least something for stat priority, even if the real correct response is always Just Sim It
chilly brook
It also depends heavily on situation
Fairly certain for example the quoted section is mentioned as “better in some situations” would be referring to damage that cannot be parried
Although largely people focus too much on stats
sick sentinel
true
chilly brook
Grab ilvl, get haste if you can
sick sentinel
im just asking bro chill lol
keen star
you ask wow nerds questions about theorycraft, you're getting a theorycraft lecture
chilly brook
Especially when you ask for an explanation
gusty lion
if you're poor whats a good alternative to Frozen Devotion?
dont feel like spending 30k on a weapon ill likely change in a week
slim dove
sophic writ.
gusty lion
ty
sleek gulch
If I got a spellbane cutlass at 392, worth valor upgrading or just stock up on valor for now?
chilly brook
Long term? Hold onto your valor
Best to use it to fill in gaps when gearing slows down
lusty coyote
Any good Spell Reflect wa's out there?
toxic geyser
Meeres playing ITF+Bolster in RWF, any particular reason? Or just preference
jagged pier
Well u need another block talent to keep 100% block uptime if u drop HR and ITF is more damage which they always go for.
And before u say well u only tank half the time
U dont on grimtotem if u arent tanking the boss your tanking the add
pallid quiver
It's like 90% of the class, Korone-suki child.
I don't even know if it scales with ilvl, if we're talking about the auto attack ring
cerulean urchin
anyone find this useful, what on use proc do you take i just find it underwhelming overall and i kinda wanna try runing some other trinket
I have Dragon Games at 392, Burgeoning seed, Blazebinder's Hoof, Integrated Fire, Battle Scared Scale, Ancestral Protector's Stone but they're all 372-379 and i was thinking of runing any of them over the Whelp shell but not sure which one
dusky karma
Since the BV nerf i have found myself starving for rage. any recommendations?
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/stormrage/reepur
pallid quiver
It
should have literally zero impact on your rage gen
pallid quiver
I'd also recommend not running Barbaric Training
It's less rage efficient overall, and we're not struggling to dump rage or anything at the moment. We still dump it into IP, but Barbaric Training can actually make your rage economy a little awkward
lean gale
What stance do you use for raid and m+ after it only reduce 15% dps
slim dove
battle unless my healers yell at me (they dont my hp bar never moves)
dusky karma
i use Def stance outside of Avatar/TR/Ravager bursts
pallid quiver
maybe if you're pushing Mythic raid and feel spooked, Defense
lean gale
its pretty sad that we do not use def but the horrible negative dps
dusky karma
i will drop Barb training for Thunderous words, thanks all
that should actually help ALOT since i am using revenge alot more since i got my 2p
pallid quiver
Since the BV nerf i have found myself starving for rage. any recommendations?
h...
You're also rocking ITF without Bolster; you may potentially run into gaps in Shield Block uptime as a result, which is a bit of a concern
limpid anchor
What stance do you use for raid and m+ after it only reduce 15% dps
The only time I use def stance in raid is during raz beam and when other tank fails
pallid quiver
i haven't gotten to use def stance because everytime I join a pug raid, I get told to DPS and that the tanks got it
and then the tanks do not, in fact, "got it"
lyric elm
We got us a new BIS mog lads
limpid anchor
You're also rocking ITF without Bolster; you may potentially run into gaps in Sh...
In raid it should be fine most of the time I think
pallid quiver
It can potentially be worse in raid, because ITF is usually less ST DPS
You take ITF to do more AoE DPS
dusky karma
You're also rocking ITF without Bolster; you may potentially run into gaps in Sh...
So i should drop Tough as Nails for bolster when running ITF?
pallid quiver
Heavy Repercussions gives you more rage to work with as part of its effect; it's not just the SB extension
lean gale
What talent setup are you rocking atm? Someone a calculator link for me to inspect
pallid quiver
So i should drop Tough as Nails for bolster when running ITF?
Usually that's the case. If you're not doing content where your life is in danger or you can cover it with defensives, externals, it's workable, but it's something to keep in mind.
pallid quiver
What talent setup are you rocking atm? Someone a calculator link for me to inspe...
what i'm using isn't technically the build that's in the pins, but that's the basic block all my builds are based on
(I swap the point off from Thunderlord into Battering Ram as the usual main difference)
lean gale
i like battering rame a lot
clever heart
hey ! i went over the consumables section of our wowhead guide and never saw mention of any kind of consumable or enchant we can use on shield. IS that true ?
even small buff id be curoius to know
cerulean urchin
u cant enchant shields or offhands
clever heart
and no consumable buff ? like our howling rune ?
clever heart
ok ty gala 🙂 ❤️
lean gale
Would you prefer a weapon or the belt to craft? The neck is not possible on my server
jade pulsar
U can sim it with droptimizer, but id go with weapon
I couldnt get neck either on my server, went with shield though
limpid anchor
Just wait a week and get the neck
proud patrol
Are you guys changing to Fueled by Violence in Azure Vault for example?
lean gale
Just wait a week and get the neck
What will change in a week?
limpid anchor
More people having the recipe
jade pulsar
Im kinda on a dead server, i gotta be very lucky with an actual JC getting it that wanna learn it and not someone who just wanna sell it for gold cap or something
jade pulsar
nah, with my luck i'd work my ass off to level it and and get the recipe and right after that blizz buffs drop chance to where it's a 10min farm or something 
bold fern
which trinkets u guys run ? got the HoV one with crit on it
hazy sluice
Are there MDT routes that you would call the golden standard for pugging ?
limpid anchor
which trinkets u guys run ? got the HoV one with crit on it
I just run whatever has the highest ilvl
solar blade
u cant enchant shields or offhands
thats true, they changed that after mop because youd have 1h+offhand meta that allowed you to enchant main + get a stat enchant with raw mainstat on offhand
now they only allow enchants on mainhands for balancing reasons; same shit as removing the human racial because it allowes you to wear a procc an onuse trinket in pvp while still having a normal trinket(to get out of cc)
solar blade
which trinkets u guys run ? got the HoV one with crit on it
algethar puzzle and the wrathion scale for stats, but horn is also nice and better to use than puzzle (puzzle has 1,7 cast time; might be influenced by haste i dont know since its a weird numerical value)
puzzle,bone or horn are all good options for on-use trinkets if you dont get your hands on raid trinkets
(imo)
limpid anchor
Yay, mastery
solar blade
equals at around 20% attack power for me
id rather had a crit trinket but gotta work with that rn
red mulch
hey which two piece we spend our spark on?
royal coral
Anyone got any idea how the pvp helm is comparing to just running armor spikes on a slot?
gentle notch
We got us a new BIS mog lads
Where Kultiran male?
oak ivy
Feel like this is a stupid question but I'd rather be sure: Block DR/value goes up with higher ilvl shield?
blazing condor
yes
oak ivy
poggies
blazing condor
thats why getting a high ilvl shield is pretty prio
only piece that gives us block
oak ivy
That's probably gonna be my next craft as soon as I finish my primal infusion
blazing condor
its a good craft
clever heart
Hey is Neck, Head, and Waist still our bis embellish crafted gear as the pinned note from the 8th suggested ?
How does it compared to embellished weapon / shield ?
warm plinth
More like how does it compare to weapon/shield. Embellishments are good but they very likely are not better than a higher ilevel weapon/shield, embellishment or not
clever heart
ya for sure. item lvl is still king.
I am wondering if we know yet which will be worth it in the long run.
Once upgraded to 418 item lvl, which ones could be upgrades still over 421 max lvl dungeon great vault counterparts.
steady steppe
Better to save valor for vault incase I replace something I would have upgraded?
hazy sluice
Where do u guys get your MDT routes for before u modify them specifically for your group ? Like is there a safe good option e.g. quazii routes or icy veins
Or is everyone here a top push player that worked that out by himself on the beta ? 😄
blazing condor
Where do u guys get your MDT routes for before u modify them specifically for yo...
https://pastebin.com/e5U5UcEF havent looked into these personally but these are Plkas routes he posted a while ago
hazy sluice
I guess they are good for premade groups but less good with pugs due to fancy skips and stuff ?
blazing condor
he has both pug routes and "push routes" in the pastebin
blazing condor
he has plebs like us in mind
hazy sluice
Thx alot brother
safe mango
what's the best way to approach the last pack of temple of the jade serpent?
still flame
Hi, is Granyths enduring scale worth upgrading? is it one of our BIS trinekts for m+?
storm merlin
what's the best way to approach the last pack of temple of the jade serpent?
Lust, pop all dps CDs, pray, and kite when they enrage
storm merlin
Hi, is Granyths enduring scale worth upgrading? is it one of our BIS trinekts fo...
no and no
safe mango
rip, that shit is rough as a new tank
still flame
no and no
What are the go to trinkets then please?
ANd is it safe to say that Haste and versa are top stats? Without the need to sim for a tank?
storm merlin
rip, that shit is rough as a new tank
It really is
storm merlin
What are the go to trinkets then please?
upbeat pine
what do u think about this trinket? Is it good for us or shit? Has pretty good stats
mortal brook
Stats are stats. Looks simmable
still flame
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/overview-pve-tank
The lists says its the 3rd best m+ trinket, as im never raiding, so its not too bad 😄
shut flare
gift of radiance any good?
low dew
@jagged junco
shut flare
<@145919255903338496>
yes?
jagged junco
I have no clue, idk why he tagged me
low dew
Oh, he knows.
jade tartan
You guys ditching Enduring Alacrity for Impenetrable Wall?
strong forum
ive never one played enduring alacrity
jagged pier
i dont know why u would even choose alacrity over wall
toxic geyser
Well u need another block talent to keep 100% block uptime if u drop HR and ITF ...
Wouldn’t have thought putting an extra point into bolster to run ITF would be more dam
But I’m also not a math wiz like you guys
strong forum
technically is
orchid mural
Man, that cobalt assembly ring took 3.5mil damage away in my last run (IP did 13.5 mil ish).
At what point will ilvl outweigh the shield that ring gives?
wind quartz
Should we take the DPS Cobalt Ring then as Prot Warr?
orchid mural
I was using the tanking one.
orchid mural
crazy.
strong forum
i expected them to get nerfed this reset but ah well
paper coral
Oh shit, the ring is that strong? I know what i'[m doing later today. How long isthe farm to get to it?
lyric elm
it does about 5% of my dps
strong forum
50min if youre fast kreiger
ring does about 2% of my damage, but the tank one is just stupid good
orchid mural
make sure to get the item that buffs the rep gains, at rank 2 or something :p
wind quartz
Can we buy both?
strong forum
yes
orchid mural
yes, but cant wear both
wind quartz
Sweet, yeah no worries. Can swap in and out
strong forum
can just swap depending on situation
on 17+ id recommend the tank one
its stupid good
paper coral
Hey, is there a good helm I should be target farming besides the infurious plate one? My spark is already going to elemental probably
and I cant seem to drop one. I was looking at the sigil of storms one.
orchid mural
the folks i play with / my skill level, i'm wearing the tank ring at 13/14 level 😦
wind quartz
If I have a 382 Neck do i still need to go for Lafiat?
orchid mural
"need" is relative to your content, but afaik, the lariat is the best
wind quartz
make sure to get the item that buffs the rep gains, at rank 2 or something :p
At the quartermaster?
orchid mural
yeah
paper coral
Hey Nome, if the rings are so good, why aren't they in the bis sets on wowhead? or is that strictly drops from M+/raid?
placid oar
Hi guys, would anyone know when patch 10.0.5 will be released?
wind quartz
yeah
I only see the Cosmetics apart from the Pattern and RIngs
Im 3/5 Cobalt Assembly
graceful lynx
Hey guys, im taking the plunge, im finally going to play Prot instead of fury, is Normal Dungeons a good place to begin trying to work on rotations and such
tacit haven
things will die way too fast in normal, maybe better to go into a heroic, or M0 alone, and grab some mobs and just go at it solo, grab bigger and bigger packs until you can't survive on your own mitigation/selfheals
graceful lynx
this is going to sound so dumb, should i just go buy a cheap one hander and shield from AH
lyric elm
honestly you can just start with m0
go at 340 and you are immortal
get some practice on the mythic mechanics
graceful lynx
ok thank you
marsh forge
on 17+ id recommend the tank one
Oh to be doing 17s without any teir 😂
sick sentinel
it isn't much, but i did a +2 shadowmoon burial grounds last night
strong forum
Oh to be doing 17s without any teir 😂
is not too bad tbh
with the right people its pretty smooth
sick sentinel
my friends are freaking out about next week, supposedly bursting/grevious
grievous i can u nderstand i guess, but thats like, bad play+ bad healer, and you just mass dispel bursting
marsh forge
with the right people its pretty smooth
Full meta groups I assume rogue n dh?
marsh forge
Nice
sick sentinel
makes me happy that arcane mage got some love and is now played
strong forum
just a quick random group to farm 17s for gear
marsh forge
Oh some of ur dps have 4 pce lol, yeah that would be smooth haha
strong forum
eh, tierset isnt that massive for most
like its ~4% dmg gain
nothing as absurd as SL tiersets which tripled your DPS
sick sentinel
https://raider.io/mythic-plus-runs/season-df-1/2020311-2-shadowmoon-burial-grounds my baby key i ran last night
coral kayak
Is there a list on stuff to reflect in m+ for bosses and trash ?
marsh forge
sick sentinel
wild kayak
Whats this shockwave crit build some top warriors are running?
sick sentinel
im kind of curious about this as well now too
jagged pier
sounds like an aweful build to me
sick sentinel
if its asmongold, he's a clown
like, he's not entirely clown, but most part i'd say yes, gets hard carried through cotent and funneled gear
i know for fact he was using shockwave builds for alot of past 3 weeks
vital oak
If I had 1 extra point I would probably put it there.
cerulean urchin
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is the court ring still good prot? i have these two but i dont wanna replace my cobalt ring
sick sentinel
you'd almost have to forego one hand spec
is about only thing you could really drop
to make it where you have avatar + bleeds + sonic boom
sturdy sable
You dont want to drop 1 handed spec
sick sentinel
and i don't think/know that dropping 1Hspec is worth
jagged pier
you dont ever drop 1 hand spec
sick sentinel
thats what i mean, to keep all 3, UF, TW and SBoom you'd have to make a hard choice i think
jagged pier
u can play what u want we arent going to stop you
same with the shockwave build
but the shockwave build albeit it, it does sim close to the normal standard build
but using a stop as a dps cd
is just very very wrong
and shockwave build will do more damage the lower the content u run basically
which is why its so appealing to a lot of ppl atm
but it will put u in the habit of using shockwave all the time and will probably end up over lapping stunns and DRing mobs
which is very bad practice
fading tide
Is tough as nails that much better then spell block? Being able to block all spells for 20 secs seems really strong to me
sick sentinel
more the zeros i join that i seem to have issues in as opposed to that key i ran last night
brave portal
Probably be useful in doing big pulls on quests in the world, or running a friend through norma / heroic dungeons to gear up
Shock wave build that is.
sick sentinel
only real fuck up was allowed my self to get sucked up by the worm boss like, 5 times or so, im not certain precisely on that mechanic or the first boss
but it hink first boss is you get a debuff and you go to a white rune
jagged pier
tough as nails in genarl is more useful and does more
spell block is very niche
it has its places like jade serpent and RLPs
sick sentinel
i think worm is he succc and then soon as you hit the hit box , it does the thing, so, im not aware of when to pre-run out
floral river
It will say he begins to inhale, just drop a pool nearby
like 3-5s to run there, plenty of time imo
sick sentinel
i also skipped out all of legion, and wod, and half of pandaria ( i know jade temple fairly well, like 66% of what i need to know in there)
tender cove
only real fuck up was allowed my self to get sucked up by the worm boss like, 5 ...
Do you have bigwigs/dbm? Have you seen the ability timeline weakaura? Pretty useful.
sick sentinel
i did that key with no dbm/lw or dps meter enabled
tender cove
why?
floral river
I don't use dbm either, the game should have a built in alert to tell you he is inhaling
nad the moon rune thing is a knowledge thing
sick sentinel
ability team tracker, all the things, marking bar lives, MDT, scrap (vendor/repair at merchant)
those are only addons currently enabled (not installed, rest are installead but not used)
tender cove
ok, but if you fail the same mechanic 5 times in a row, maybe consider getting dbm or bigwigs.
sick sentinel
i just gotta work out how the mechanic works for next time, wont be difficult at all
floral river
Yeah, the game should give you an alert that he's gonna suck
tender cove
Yeah, the game should give you an alert that he's gonna suck
It does, thats why dbm/bigwigs is able to track the timers.
floral river
All I'm saying is just look out for that and the boss is cake
tender cove
All i'm saying is, this won't be a unique thing, get dbm or bigwigs.
sick sentinel
was succesfully able to convince group not to interupt the MC on second MC pack - life could be dream
inland raft
So cobalt ring bis whole tier if remains untouched?
floral river
All i'm saying is, this won't be a unique thing, get dbm or bigwigs.
dbm isn't a silver bullet, build habit of looking at baseline alerts; if you're at level where this is a problem dbm won't fix it
tender cove
dbm isn't a silver bullet, build habit of looking at baseline alerts; if you're ...
On this specific boss, you have both a visual queue and a sound queue. It's not that difficault, i agree. I dont agree on the last part. dbm is designed to reduce brain powering going into searching for those queues.
floral river
On this specific boss, you have both a visual queue and a sound queue. It's not ...
I get that, but I think for some players is can do more harm than good; been in plenty of raids where people have all the tools but still can't do it. At a point it might be better to get rid of some of the clutter addons for player who is having a hard time tracking cues.
tender cove
I get that, but I think for some players is can do more harm than good; been in ...
So if they can't follow the most basics of concepts, a timer countdown in front of them, front center of their screen, how are they gonna do better without it? That's a player problem, not a addon problem.
floral river
that's literally my point
severe steeple
I get that, but I think for some players is can do more harm than good; been in ...
at what lvl of raid/M+ are you reffering to?
rotund thicket
i have a questions about the elemental lariat, should i get 3 haste sockets or 3 different? actually no clue how the procc works
tender cove
that's literally my point
Then i'm unsure what your point is tbh
floral river
"That's a player problem, not a addon problem."
tender cove
Yeh, but in what world does that default to "dbm being bad"?
dense temple
I get that, but I think for some players is can do more harm than good; been in ...
Addons like that are nothing but helpful, no reason to not have them, it allows you to use mental resources elsewhere. Saying it does more harm than good in any situation is just referring to people without enough brain power to do the fight anyway.
craggy pilot
sick sentinel
dbm isn't a silver bullet, build habit of looking at baseline alerts; if you're ...
DBM is the equivilant of adding a shitty GPS system from walmart costs 200 bucks to your 2005 honda miata or whatever car and then your buddy expects you to make the 6 hr trip in 4 now and always take best roads and never get in a crash
tender cove
But you're advocating for not having dbm, like, i dont see any reason why you would not have it.
dense temple
DBM is the equivilant of adding a shitty GPS system from walmart costs 200 bucks...
No. Dbm is your friend expecting you to know when to turn.
dense temple
Sure, you could play the game fine without dbm, that seems to be the point
craggy pilot
what boss are we saying is impossible without DBM now? like whats happening 🤣 🍿
sick sentinel
**B E W A R E **
severe steeple
DBM is the equivilant of adding a shitty GPS system from walmart costs 200 bucks...
tender cove
what boss are we saying is impossible without DBM now? like whats happening 🤣 �...
It was never about being impossible. Yogi struggled with queues on the worm sucky boss and I asked if had the abilitity timeline WA and suddendly we're discussing if dbm is causing more harm than good. Which i dont think..
zealous parcel
what boss are we saying is impossible without DBM now? like whats happening 🤣 �...
from what i can tell one side is refusing to make their point clear and the other is a very lukewarm yes you should use it
craggy pilot
from what i can tell one side is refusing to make their point clear and the othe...
sounds plausible
worm boss is quite easy without a DBM addon, just stand in the bones after it lands
he starts inhaling after bones
tender cove
Now you're missing the point nielsen xD
zealous parcel
B O N E S
sick sentinel
B E W A R E RUN AWAY LITTLE GIRL became huge memes in any guild i've ever been in
floral river
literally all I said was if you're having a hard time with the inhale boss even with dbm maybe turn it off and just look for the built in cue
craggy pilot
and i believe it says in the chat "worm is about to inhale" no?
floral river
then it became a what-about convo
sick sentinel
i just have to learn the worm thing is all, it'll click for me soon enough
craggy pilot
any discussion with yogi goes like this, its amazing 😄
floral river
when it says inhale literally just leap to a puddle
zealous parcel
leap to a puddle of B O N E S
tender cove
when it says inhale literally just leap to a puddle
Or hear me out, pop a speed potion and just leg it, be the warrior we all want you to be.
cerulean nymph
So, what defensive CD's are you fellas using for the Razgeth beams in the last phase?
floral river
Imagine saying be a warrior and using a fucking potion
tender cove
sigh...
sick sentinel
Imagine saying be a warrior and using a fucking potion
earnest osprey
potions are love, potioms are life
floral river
healing potions exempt
craggy pilot
So, what defensive CD's are you fellas using for the Razgeth beams in the last p...
no clue how often it happens but you can probably use Spell Reflect on all of them, and then Shield Wall on some of them
severe steeple
guys what potion is best for us? i have searched wowhead and did not find
tender cove
Imagine saying be a warrior and using a fucking potion
i was just trying to lighten the mood bro, cheer up
floral river
I was joking too
cerulean nymph
thanks @craggy pilot
sick sentinel
what about invisibility potion or "don't die" type potion, like, can't be stunned or some shit
craggy pilot
guys what potion is best for us? i have searched wowhead and did not find
there are a few options, as stated in the wowhead guide
floral river
I even said "imagine"
wild kayak
So, what defensive CD's are you fellas using for the Razgeth beams in the last p...
spellreflect shieldwall and demo, first one i think it was shieldwall spell reflect, then demo + external + spell reflect if tiss up
craggy pilot
thanks <@270309256471773194>
didnt do Raz myself though, so take it with a grain of salt
just remember spell reflect is DR even if you cant reflect it
earnest osprey
sick sentinel
those extra armor potions for 20 second was stupid idea in SL, they probably made them in DF but i didnt look enough to see
sick sentinel
well, stupid for pwar anyhow
severe steeple
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/enchants-gems-pve-tank#...
how far are you gonna take this? i was memeing 😂
earnest osprey
warriors always take it to the limit
severe steeple
guys talking about potions on warr and i just RP
sick sentinel
the phials i have been using are tepid versa
they are pretty cheap and do a tank thing
floral river
use eye
tender cove
Macroing elemental potions to avatar turned out to be a very expensive lesson xD
floral river
simply click the potion B^)
tender cove
simply click the potion B^)
close, i lvled alchemy so I can make them cheap but still end up buying them on ah 😄
severe steeple
close, i lvled alchemy so I can make them cheap but still end up buying them on ...
it is always cheaper to buy from AH
tender cove
proff has never felt more like a trap than this iteration, kinda hate it.
floral river
proff has never felt more like a trap than this iteration, kinda hate it.
literally only have alch for hour long phials
tender cove
I rolled mining/herb on my pala. Tried to farm but I just can't take it. It's so mindlessly boring
floral river
better off selling a rank 5 crafted piece
like 50k a pop
then buying your mats, which aren't too insanely expensive imo; 1.5k for a phial is not bad
tender cove
Just one potion is 900g on my realm. Haven't bought phials as I was lucky and made a ton while doing experiments for alchemy, so not sure about their price but 1.5k is a lot for 30 min xD
floral river
it's 1 hour for alchemists though
oh wow the potions were 500g a pop the other day rip
north dew
Hello Guys. I have 2x Sparks now, any BiS item i should craft? as Protection Warrior ( M+)
lyric elm
oh wow the potions were 500g a pop the other day rip
Yes i think the strategy will be to fill up on herbs now, and sell early in next season when potions are in high demand, it's mythic plus people wanting them
Herbs are flooded now
wild kayak
Hello Guys. I have 2x Sparks now, any BiS item i should craft? as Protection War...
looks like Lariat is the big juice
north dew
haste mastery on it?
wild kayak
🤷♂️ that is now beyond my knowlege
north dew
ok thank you
wild kayak
looks people gem it with mastery haste or primary haste or haste
wild kayak
haste vers too i guess. lots of options
jagged pier
item on AH
north dew
can i put the stats i want on Lariat?
jagged pier
yes
tawdry dirge
nice how is that item called
tawdry dirge
cheers bud
lyric elm
What's a realistic commission cost for lariat
mortal brook
Tiered setting
tacit smelt
Spell block
cerulean urchin
buy tiered medallion rank 2 use it , then rank 3 and use it again
that will give you 3 sockets
tender cove
Bit offtopic but any1 able to be a lifesaver and tell me where I can stream the WC final? 😮
shut flare
Bit offtopic but any1 able to be a lifesaver and tell me where I can stream the ...
yes wc final
it good!
queen latch
minor whine but first time ive been able to m+ this week and im already stuck in the pugs that dont understand basic boss mechanics 
cerulean urchin
i mean its been 4 days of m+ barely and alot of people are either coming back or new so thats understandable
i ran one pug and the rest i just had to play with guildies
its gonna continue like that until youre able to do +15s easily where more peopel are gonna know what they're doing
queen latch
yeah i get it just know that if i could've played a lot tues/weds id be in a much better pack of players, but nevermind, long season we'll get there
slim dove
Add btags of good players and go from there
My team basically ditched for classic (??? Ptr testing 10 year old content???) And in the last 3 days I've added 10 people. Tons of great players that are held back from staying in lfg forever.
mortal brook
With the new season coming up it's time repost how to get a consistent push group.
Works every time
Every season.
its very simple advice and easy to follow. do ALL these steps and you'll be good. don't skip any of the steps. start by pugging stuff, friend request the people you wouldnt hate to run with again. keep inviting them. get better. get on voice. talk things out. become friendly. start dating the healer. get your all 15 feat of strength. keep pushing. things are good. the dps are your best men in the wedding to your healer. next season the healer starts running with a different tank occasionally. you get more distant from the group. they tell you theyre too busy in the week for your weekly vault runs. things get bad at home. the healer wants a divorce. your heart is broken. you hear the new tank is pretty good at the game and that somehow makes you feel worse. but its totes okay cuz its a new season and you can pug more stuff, send out more friend requests, keep inviting them...
slim dove
Very important to date the healer
strong forum
It's true
short elk
What if your healer is your cousin?
cerulean urchin
tender cove
My team basically ditched for classic (??? Ptr testing 10 year old content???) A...
I keep adding people or people want to add me but its like we just never run again. Its weird.
vital oak
maybe it's you?
mortal brook
You talk to them and try to schedule or are they just chillin on your list and neither sides reach out?
tender cove
With the new season coming up it's time repost how to get a consistent push grou...
You should be here more. One because I miss you. Two because this channel needs a bear, just saying. ❤️
tender cove
You talk to them and try to schedule or are they just chillin on your list and n...
Talk to them? Nah. I dont do that. I wait for them to talk to me. i'm too shy :x
mortal brook
Picture unrelated no bears in sight
tender cove
But yes, we're just chilling. At this point, i dont even know who a third of the people are on my friend list
tawdry dirge
buy tiered medallion rank 2 use it , then rank 3 and use it again
thanks bud found it 🙂
fallen pulsar
For Dathea normal, do you tank both adds on one tank? On the boss or near an edge?
fallen pulsar
Thanks!
red mulch
can you change the secondary stats on an item after its crafted?
marble cipher
Recraft with different missive I assume? But don't know if missives are an option on recrafts, I just expect it to work like that
hushed crag
adds spawned, he clawed and insta dead
jovial crane
Is your group stacking? It's split damage
bold wave
all these tankbuster oneshots feel so horrible this week
sacred flare
question my details is showing that i only have a 86% uptime on sheild block
I am fairly confident that i am at a 100%
red mulch
Recraft with different missive I assume? But don't know if missives are an optio...
thanks, will check!
fading tide
Think I’m just gonna stay away from nukhold and azure the whole season
hushed crag
Fenryr
odd tree
Do you log keys? Best way to determine sb uptime is by looking at % blocked hits in the melee portion of dmg taken
sacred flare
i try to
red mulch
so I'm going between 3 gears for my craft
neck, wep (axe since it has a higher dmg window) and shield
I can craft 2 and I'm thinking about going with wep and shield
I won't be doing mythic raid but will be clearing the heroic, what do you guys thing
sick sentinel
craft legs
red mulch
why, what does the legs give
drifting dagger
Still kinda learning ins/outs of prot. Obviously shield block always up.. but do I want to try to keep IP up and use the rest of rage on revenge? Or put IP up only when I know big damage is coming my way?
keen star
the wowhead guide has a detailed explanation of the rotation including how to spend rage
drifting dagger
Ok cool thx!
main locust
Has anyone figured out if Pyroblast is reflectable on Mythic Eranog?
queen latch
first boss of nok have you normally been setting off the weapons or healer/dps job?
floral river
usually a ranged dps
slim dove
I do first with leap, healer does second, boss dies before 3rd
edgy bone
I do first with leap, healer does second, boss dies before 3rd
What dungeon is this
Al'gethar?
Does anyone have tips on dealing with ALgethar academy first boss?
It's gotta be worth it to spec into this
slim dove
What dungeon is this
Nok
tame jasper
Does anyone have tips on dealing with ALgethar academy first boss?
tree? kill big tree add.
elemental? soak orb
edgy bone
tree? kill big tree add.
elemental? soak orb
Can you elaborate on tree boss
lone eagle
Fenryr
That mechanic splits damage
You stack everyone in melee encircling boss to split damage, spread out for leap, run from fixate, but at all times you default to stack up
paper orbit
Can you elaborate on tree boss
Adds spawn at player location, you want everyone stacked roughly together on the tank, then you rotate around in the same direction (pick ahead of time, clockwise or whatever), then after three waves of swirlies the adds spawn, all tightly packed for mass AoE.
A treant gets spawned after that which needs kicked, then you rinse wash repeat. Good boss for lust.
oak echo
and specifically when that treant dies, it leaves behind a circle you all want to stand in to clear the huge dot the boss puts on everyone and it healsy ou
the circle is the thing most people ignore and the healer can only dispell one at a time
paper orbit
If people get split up, it’s fine just try and stay near the boss too
craggy pilot
wtf is the boss on Academy 🤔
tree boss
even with 3x 90k dps we cant get him down on +11
dusky canopy
You need big aoe
paper orbit
Save CDs for add intermissions
dusky canopy
It’s the only way it works
craggy pilot
You need big aoe
we had MASSIVE aoe, and shit was dying so fast in 2 add phases
dusky canopy
We couldn’t do the 12 we re rolled it
craggy pilot
but then boss doesnt die before 3rd phase
steady steppe
anyone know if the M+ vault works like the raid vault with the loot
like how the drops from raid vault are only from bosses u defeat
paper orbit
No it’s from the whole pool
steady steppe
okok thats what i thought
paper orbit
- tier from raid too, I believe(?)
steady steppe
so if i just go spam +15 sbg i get loot from all dungeons
paper orbit
Correct
paper orbit
The dot trucks pretty hard if you reach the second set of adds and you don’t clear it with the tree swirly mentioned moments ago
Good lust boss, save mass taunt for second wave of adds
Also dwarves op
slim dove
just weird that you need 100k+ dps on 3 dps'ers just to time a +11 🤣
Tell your dps to press buttons better
Flask
Combat pot
mortal brook
shocking disclosure pots are hella cheap, good dam
craggy pilot
The dot trucks pretty hard if you reach the second set of adds and you don’t cle...
the barkbreaker tank hit?
is that dispellable?
mortal brook
dot gets wiped from standing in the circle from branch death
paper orbit
Posted literally right before yours
craggy pilot
does the circle the Heal Tree drop heal other Trees?
sweet summit
ya
craggy pilot
ah so i need to somehow tank the boss out of the circle, but have all team in the circle 🤔
thorny quiver
not a single soul on my server can craft a shield 
thorny quiver
yeah
craggy pilot
what server?
thorny quiver
AD, theres no cross realm crafting right?
sweet summit
no cross realm, correct
craggy pilot
AD, theres no cross realm crafting right?
AD?
sweet summit
ah so i need to somehow tank the boss out of the circle, but have all team in th...
not that big of a deal if they heal the small ones
craggy pilot
you can only craft with connected realms
craggy pilot
not that big of a deal if they heal the small ones
yea but it heals the boss as well no?
sweet summit
don't think so
craggy pilot
AD, theres no cross realm crafting right?
Argent Dawn you mean ?
edgy grail
wtf is the boss on Academy 🤔
Its an easy boss
Just gotta do it properly
We failed a bunch but go it now
Helps to be in voice ofc
But main thing is to lust 2nd set of adds
The first set just stands there, the 2nd set actually attacks
So for the first set drag boss around and get as many as you can
And lust the 2nd set
frosty mango
But main thing is to lust 2nd set of adds
Also helps to split cds for burst forth.
We did it on a 14 +2 with evoker/fury/outlaw, each dps popped burst for a set of burst forth
They just disappear then stacks aren't an issue
slim dove
Also get ranged to stack so they pop up in a tighter area.
frosty mango
Also helps prot is ez 100k dps on burst too lol
^ yeah that. Stack on tank for the erupt, rotate same direction
edgy grail
Also get ranged to stack so they pop up in a tighter area.
Yea this is big too, I always call quaking as well since that can fuck up the stacking this week
night tusk
what should our 1h wep enchant be?
sweet summit
sophic
onyx kayak
I just tried a +16 TJS, everything went fine until the Sha and Doubt adds, where i feel like i cant tank them. The Claw attack from Doubt sha hit me for 250 and haunting gaze hit for 350k (Was Raged), feel like its just insane how hard they hit - Does anyone have a video of a TJS 15+ timed i can watch and learn from?
sweet summit
spell block is clutch for that dungeon and the scary sha
claw only hits if you're in melee so you can kite if you need to
fading tide
Do you tank them? I though u just get agroo and run for your life
lyric elm
You can't really facetank them
onyx kayak
Do you tank them? I though u just get agroo and run for your life
Well i did end up doing that LoL
marble cipher
I play the Shadowlands S1 VDH tactic in that last Sha pack.
Go in, burst, pop stuff, when stuff runs out, I leap away and scream like a little girl
lyric elm
Stuns and gtfo
onyx kayak
The haunting gaze can be casted from range though, which is harder to get away from
lyric elm
Healer needs some fun 
fading tide
The haunting gaze can be casted from range though, which is harder to get away f...
Would spell block help that? I have a 12 Jade so looking for more info b4 I jump in
young rivet
am I dreaming or did warriors have 2 charges of heroic leap available to them?
onyx kayak
Would spell block help that? I have a 12 Jade so looking for more info b4 I jump...
I am actually not sure, i believe it does not, but i might be wrong - Think its physical dmg from ranged? Well i aint sure LuL
solar blade
spell block/reflect is good vs defiling mists and the gaze which is still stunable but not reflectable
eager schooner
TJS with pugs is probably the hardest thing I've done in a looong time in this game
fading tide
am I dreaming or did warriors have 2 charges of heroic leap available to them?
Fury pvp talent I think?
twin hazel
Theres never a situation you manually rend right?
solar blade
no never
you could tc>rend for 6 rend targets but that aint worth the struggle since you clap so much in avatar youll have rend up anyway
solar blade
yes you right
for people struggling in tjs on adds infront of endboss, you can pull the adds out and your group goes los at either side of the stairs
pure citrus
any fun cool dps builds for prot that still wont make me a super glass canon
fallen pulsar
The pins have builds that shift more to damage at the cost of survivability, but also you can use the flexible talents to go into more damage heavy builds, like in m+ if your group has enough stuns you can opt out of the stuns and put into any of the good dps talents/choice nodes. Theres also the max parse build in pins for raid
rotund halo
Is BV still not working properly?
fallen pulsar
Yes still bugged
rotund halo
Yes still bugged
cheers
pallid gyro
Have we got any haste cap as prot?
fallen pulsar
am I dreaming or did warriors have 2 charges of heroic leap available to them?
I wish there was a talent for triple heroic leap like the legion legendary
I miss bunny warrior
fallen pulsar
Have we got any haste cap as prot?
30% iirc, but not sure could be wrong
silk sandal
i just got a ruby whelp shell drop, can i just slap it on and not worry about it or do ihave to train it or something?
lofty widget
Have we got any haste cap as prot?
no
fallen pulsar
You do a targeting thing once with whelp shell to influence the rng but it is still all rng
Like targeting an enemy makes it more likely to use damage over heal/stat boost
But it can still do any of the effects
pallid gyro
@lofty widget@fallen pulsar thanks. Im asking, because I have got 3 slots for sockets and I don't know if I should maximilize haste or take vers+haste gems
This is my stats without any buff
pallid gyro
True, I forgot about htat
fading tide
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/776647770248445974/1054098092955279510/im...
I did a plus 8 where I was second on overall dps and the group yelled at me at the end that my pulls b4 the first boss were sloppy
steady steppe
this is a 12 idk what the fdk is doing
fading tide
Getting carried by you it’s seems lmfao
cinder storm
I swear on burial, there was never a void spawn on the left side with the casters, now all of the sudden, big guy is teleporting every so often from left to right
fallen pulsar
I think tons of dps pugs forgot what their interrupts/cc buttons do
cinder storm
Maybe I just didnt see it before
fallen pulsar
I swear on burial, there was never a void spawn on the left side with the caster...
Afaik the add packs do a summoning ritual to move the void, so if you take too long they summon to the other side
sick sentinel
I think tons of dps pugs forgot what their interrupts/cc buttons do
this is a good thing for shadowmoon burial grounds so they don't interupt the MC cast
paper orbit
True
cinder storm
Afaik the add packs do a summoning ritual to move the void, so if you take too l...
Ah, that explains it, but I thought once you aggroed them, they'd stop,
fallen pulsar
They should
sick sentinel
i just hold W in dungeons don't think about that crap too much
fallen pulsar
keys are very forgiving time wise, pulling 1 pack at a time with decent dps is enough to safely clear if not +2 a key
steady steppe
evoker didnt lust last boss could have 2 chested also lol
sick sentinel
evokers can do blood lust too? also something i don't worry about
fallen pulsar
Yep
tame jasper
evokers can do blood lust too? also something i don't worry about
yes, and pala can now BR
sick sentinel
never ever enters my mind at all unless i've been told "lust bird 30%"
i just let the lust person do what they are going to do
fallen pulsar
yes, and pala can now BR
If they remember, 
tame jasper
;D
sick sentinel
i did that in LFR
on paladin, got some brez out, i wanted to test out pally and that ability
vagrant relic
hey guys how do i find the balance between spamming revenge and ignore pain?
Is there any point to spend all the rage on ignore pain on cd or what it's limits
thanks in advance
fading tide
I got a similar problem where I torn on using IP to survive while also wanted to use revenge to get aggro
fallen pulsar
If the damage is not high you can get away with less IP, if IP is near full or not about to time out, its safe to revenge, if you just feel like hitting revenge and letting your healer deal with it then dont hit ignore pain 😉
Idk it becomes a feel thing, you get an idea of how much you’re getting smacked and how much you really want to ignore that pain
lofty widget
rule of thumb: only press IP to avoid rage-capping
steady steppe
so are there no set pieces atm? or am i wrong
grave wedge
is there a trick to dathea? with the taunt swap got kicked on normal because we kept ending up with 3 stacks i could charge and be fine the other warrior could not so i got kicked, assuming i did something wrong then
id assume its like every other taunt swap but the time just doesnt line up or he got cliped by something?
delicate iron
is there a trick to dathea? with the taunt swap got kicked on normal because we...
You need to swap after 3 stacks afaik, you can land just at the edge of the arena when hit 3rd time if you position yourself correctly
fallen pulsar
Yeah swap after 3
delicate iron
Notice the arena isn't smooth circle, there are parts which extend slightly further
Aim for them to be safe
fallen pulsar
The debuff lasts too long to swap before 3 as well
opaque vine
have you guys tested both hoof and ruby shell? Which one is better from your experience. Haven't gotten to test hoof yet
delicate iron
Obviously as warrior you can easily take more stack to let other tank clear so he can take just 2
fallen pulsar
I prefer hoof
Ruby whelp shell is too rng
I think if it consistently procs the damage, it would be better but you have very little control over it, it might just cast heal over and over
fallen pulsar
Like crafting?
fallen pulsar
If yes, you want weapon + embellishment. Whereas shield you can grab from m+
pulsar sedge
Might have a decent shield already but a shite mh
west yew
i have a 389 wep rn dunno what to use my spark on
west yew
i used one of my sparks on some BS cause i didnt know how they work
raven kettle
yeah, I could craft a shield right now at 405, or the mainhand
pulsar sedge
Getting a 418 mh with embelishment + enchantment means you dont have to worry about it again for along time too
pulsar sedge
Idk about everyone else, but the T3 enchants are 90k on my AH lol
raven kettle
they are pretty insane here too
pulsar sedge
Were 300k last week.. so its gotten a little better ;D
west yew
should i craft the embellish wrists or shield y'all think
376 wrists, 382 shield
im between the wrists and the belt for my spark but i made a primal molten belt already like an idiot
fallen pulsar
I think if you can, try to shoot for a lariat with the spark. Try to gather the mats and get a work order
west yew
i was thinking that too but i have the wrathion 389 neck already so i was just gonna make the lariat with the 3rd spark
pulsar sedge
In the end, remember all the embelishments are like.. 1.5% dps increase
So.. its not a huge deal
west yew
i dont really care about the dps increase, more about just having the high ilvl piece for now
and trying not to craft it in slots where im gonna put tier gear or other better pieces
fallen pulsar
Then yeah probably getting the biggest leap in ilvl helps a lot
west yew
alright i think i'll make the wrists then for now
i'll have that and the lariat as my two embellishes till i get more bis pieces and then i'll decide if i wanna replace the wrists later or not
quick geyser
Question, what are you lot crafting with your sparks? or are you holding on to ir?
west yew
i think the best things to craft with it rn are items you know you will keep for the whole tier
foggy flame
Question, what are you lot crafting with your sparks? or are you holding on to i...
Weapon and neck...maybe sombody craft shield
west yew
so lariat seems like it will be bis neck for the whole tier so thats a no brainer
and then whatever your other embellishment is
weapon and shield is a good idea too just for the ilvl
fallen pulsar
If you have a high ilvl in one probably best to get the other
foggy flame
Mythic first drop shield..so i think if u can make weapon first and later neck
west yew
so i think embellish belt or wrists will be the best
foggy flame
neck is expensive
brisk dust
how expensive?
south zealot
depends on your realm
quick geyser
guildie spend 50k on Stormrage
foggy flame
how expensive?
40-30k in my realm :((
south zealot
405 ran me about 50k through all mats and comission on illidan
mortal brook
Weapon impacts output heavily. Its a big slot
south zealot
its really not expensive thats like one key sale split 4 ways
livid aurora
How do you guys handle the last trash in temple? It's like a train
eager schooner
pop everything and pray worked for us, barely though
livid aurora
There's almost more casts than kicks and stuns
It's crazy
Bosses are all trivial, but the trash in that place wth
paper orbit
Most of the time it’s like 50k for public orders, or you can whisper the people who can make them directly and get a cheaper price (15-35k)
fallen pulsar
I wouldnt risk a public order, someome can make it at the bare minimum quality
tropic tangle
you guys running the damage proc ring from Cobalt, or the shield proc?
lyric elm
Shield
fallen pulsar
I run damage
lyric elm
Damage is fine until you can't do it anymore
south zealot
damage proc
lyric elm
You'll know when the Sha of doubt hits you for half your health 
eager schooner
south zealot
the trash is harder than the boss
fallen pulsar
I only have an issue with shas of doubt on the last pull when theres 3 lol
craggy pilot
jeez, +12 ruby and no dps on 1st boss... i was doing more dps than a DK... and i was in Dstance 🤦
lyric elm
fallen pulsar
The group claw eviscerates
lyric elm
Yep you can't take it
south zealot
kicks and stuns have to be great in temple
and when theres no more pop shield wall and prayge
fallen pulsar
Pug dps is very hit or miss and usually miss in my limited experience lmao
I usually out dps at least one of the dps
The only anecdotal thing I’ve noticed is any ret paladins I invite are usually the incarnation of tyrion fordring and top dps
south zealot
true
mage is hit or miss
you get the gigachad arcanes or the frost/fire only mains
fallen pulsar
I’ve only been blessed by the presence of one good arcane mage in my runs but my god they were literal orbital space lasers
brisk dust
anyone know of an updated spell reflect list for season 1?
brisk dust
thank you, i checked the guides-resources-faq and it was outdated, didnt think about the pins
south zealot
I’ve only been blessed by the presence of one good arcane mage in my runs but my...
same but i hardly invite mages anymore
pretty uncommon and if i do see them theres someone that has better stats
zealous grove
I’m 1390io on my rdruid and am so frustrated at general pug tanks that I’m considering mainswapping to my prot war.
Are pug healers going to annoy me just as much?
safe granite
Are you guys running Roar or Shockwave build?
static aspen
south zealot
roar is more damage but i actually prefer shockwave after using it
25 second aoe stun is really nice to have
safe granite
25 second aoe stun is really nice to have
Thats what i thought aswell
south zealot
also does decent dmaage so youre not sacrificing a huge amount
tropic tangle
I’m 1390io on my rdruid and am so frustrated at general pug tanks that I’m consi...
pugs + early season with new dungeons is always frustrating imo
fresh kiln
Do we have any like recommende talents for raid i dont see it in pins
or are the wowhead icyveins guides the ones we should follow
tropic tangle
on a healer you might be frustrated with tanks, on a tank you'll probably be frustrated with lack of interrupts / DPS butt pulling
not sure I would get worked up over the first week of M+ in a new expac
quaint zodiac
or are the wowhead icyveins guides the ones we should follow
Yes
craggy pilot
pugging Ruby Life Pools is fun
people are clueless in that dung omfg
everyone 385+ ilvl yet cant clear +11
all of them 1100+ r.io
zealous willow
what site u guys use for m+ routes atm ?
floral river
pugging Ruby Life Pools is fun
the dungeons aren't uniformly difficult, so it's easy to pick up io points in a high SMB or smth
The only thing I look at is the best key they've done in the dungeon I'm looking for
craggy pilot
fucking Key rng hates me, i literally had RLP 6 times out of 18 keys
floral river
I kept getting Jade > AA > Jade > ...
floral river
classic
craggy pilot
and when pugging RLP, seriously 0 people sign up
only people who sign up havent done RLP before
floral river
It's just harder, why do it except for io
south zealot
i was spamming shadowmooons just to reroll my key
south zealot
ruby life pools is overrated in difficulty
the damage is consistent and predictable
floral river
but players are inconsistent and unpredictable
craggy pilot
ruby life pools is overrated in difficulty
can you explain it to the pugs that die within 7 seconds of first boss?
like he literally got hit by hailstorm 7 seconds into the boss
got oneshot
how high of a RLP did you time so far @south zealot ?
south zealot
thats people being dumb not the dungeon being hard
south zealot
how high of a RLP did you time so far <@413532942762246144> ?
12 and an untimed 14 are my highest in that dungeon
craggy pilot
with premade?
brisk dust
been using the plk routes
what are plk routes?
south zealot
but the 14 was pugged
zealous grove
if you die as prot warrior its almost 100% of the time your fault
This is how I feel when my tanks die and blame me 😅
craggy pilot
people die left and right in my pugs
even after hunter said "been in this dungeon all day"
😄
funniest thing ever
floral river
what are plk routes?
plkatv is a guy
quartz mist
looking for a embellish to slap on my wep for the meantime , whats worth while taking ? I have fangs atm and its meh
brisk dust
ah thank you
south zealot
trick for ruby life pools is just taking tanky dps specs
or ones with good self healing
quartz mist
bronze wrappings ?
floral river
bronze wrappings ?
fang is best one afaik
quartz mist
sheeit , kk thank you
floral river
yeah embellishments are supposed to be kinda weak
sacred remnant
what is everyone crafting with their second spark? I currently have the neck
quartz mist
seems like helm or belt
last pebble
i just got massively flamed for pulling the 3 bats with the worm on shadowmoon
quartz mist
but thats normal aint it lol
last pebble
windwalker and outlaw rogue
south zealot
i just got massively flamed for pulling the 3 bats with the worm on shadowmoon
i always do that
weird
quartz mist
i had some guy yelling at me to pull around all the pillars in court of stars lmao
last pebble
out DPSing me by 6k
hard island
Is Defier Draghar required in RLP to start the first boss?
south zealot
especially with spellreflecting one of the bats
south zealot
Is Defier Draghar required in RLP to start the first boss?
what is defier draghar
hard island
what is defier draghar
The big mob before the boss room that does the charge
quartz mist
hes ez pz anyways
hard island
It's basically 6% trash you don't need, though.
covert saffron
ok so I am struggling to figure out why the guides are rating the Ruby Whelp Shell so high. All three 24 hour buffs seem to have very low up time and are not doing much. Sims show it really low compared to my other trinkets but I realize that proc trinkets don't always sim great. Any thought on if this trinket is worth and if so what 24 proc you are using with it?
strong forum
It's 5/10
And the on use only increases the chance to get the proc you want
Which remains 2/6 or w/e
It has 2 dmg proc 2 heal procs and 2 stat procs apparently
I've used it for all of the first 2 weeks pre-m+ and it's just super rng
covert saffron
You using the stat buff increased chance?
strong forum
It's sporepods 2.0, amazing if it procs when you want it, and super garbage 90% of the time when you don't want it
I used it on the dmg procs exclusively
And it's still super rare
sacred remnant
anyone craft a shield?
strong forum
Yes I have
sacred remnant
recommended?
strong forum
I'm just waiting to find a guy to upgrade it to 418
sacred remnant
which one did you craft
strong forum
Armor spikes is nothing special
It's like 0.7-1.3% of your dps in keys if you play well
More if you play poorly
tropic tangle
gotcha, I'm sorta curious about the fire damage helm paired with the rings from raid
sacred remnant
did you use level 3 primal molten alloy, seems expensive
quartz mist
I used all rank 2 mats for a R5 lariat proc first try to 405 , copium
strong forum
yes i used r3 stuff
earnest canyon
@strong forum 
south zealot
It's like 0.7-1.3% of your dps in keys if you play well
play bad on purpose for more damage
sick sentinel
Так это хуйня какая то жеж
silk sandal
searching history i see people have asked why the whelp shell is so good and no one answered. But yeah its simming really poorly for me. Is it super defensive?
south zealot
was literally just responded to
slim dove
searching history i see people have asked why the whelp shell is so good and no ...
its giga rng
m+ has no good trinkets pretty much
craggy pilot
lol surprise, my RLP changed to Halls 😄
south zealot
i still got a 15 halls to run
craggy pilot
did like 18 keys
6 of them Halls 6 of the RLP
now i got RLP key, and wanted to swap it so i did someone else Shadowmoon
and got it swapped to ofc a Halls 🤣
dont think i had an Azure Vault yet
and only had 1 Nokhud
and 1 Temple
quartz mist
bad stats
blazing condor
I feel like that effect is better than 200 secondary stat
Its like 1% at most difference in a secondary
brave stirrup
Real question. I want to hard swap from dps to tank. Is prot war going to get nerfed y’all think?
humble ferry
Real question. I want to hard swap from dps to tank. Is prot war going to get ne...
Nobody knows
But it will always be better compared than SL prot warr
south zealot
Real question. I want to hard swap from dps to tank. Is prot war going to get ne...
probably
remote dawn
what can we to on boss (overgrown ancient) +15 come to much dmg for DDs and wipe
and adds come so fast
humble ferry
what can we to on boss (overgrown ancient) +15 come to much dmg for DDs and wipe
People gotta drop stacks
south zealot
focus big tree to clear bleed
humble ferry
and stack on tank to pack up adds
south zealot
have big consistent aoe classes
small coral
take bitter immuunity
humble ferry
Also 3 melee dps is the way to go
Ranged players go panic mode when they have to move
remote dawn
ok ok ❤️ thx
humble ferry
That boss will most likely get nerfs on wednesday tho
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> <:Armsowns:857748787710787605>
🤫
humble ferry
Copium
strong forum
even tho thats also garbage
its not
blazebinder is one of the better trinkets from m+
south zealot
is that really saying much tho
brave portal
what can we to on boss (overgrown ancient) +15 come to much dmg for DDs and wipe
The ancient add he spawns instantly does a bleed on all parties, when that add dies (not the small ones) he leaves a greenish circle which will cleanse the bleed AFAIK.
Never had trouble with the little adds, as long as people clear their stacks
south zealot
bring a ww with poison dispel
hard island
Any suggestions for first boss of RLP? Just zerg the shield down during whelp spawn?
brave portal
Yeah
strong forum
pmuch
brave portal
Need to drop that shield then kick it
south zealot
break shield gg
strong forum
you get 2 whelp spawns total on that boss
hard island
ok
strong forum
just be dwarf 4head
slim dove
dwarf model 🤢
strong forum
chu mean
hard island
That makes sense. Also, I really dislike RLP
strong forum
dwarves are by far the best race in any fantasy world
loud patrol
dwarves are by far the best race in any fantasy world
tru
also anything is better than vulperas and gnomes
south zealot
pandaren better
loud patrol
pandaren is a joke class that blizzard released cuz they ran out of ideas at the time
slim dove
dwarves are by far the best race in any fantasy world
fem orc for life (dark iron change literally processing rn)
strong forum
fem orc is allowed cuz good proportions
loud patrol
ngl once theres cross faction guilds im going dark iron dwarf
warm plinth
pandaren is a joke class that blizzard released cuz they ran out of ideas at the...
sir pandaren are a race, not a class.
loud patrol
oh mb
south zealot
male pandaren are the best
loud patrol
Joke race*
south zealot
they attack so cool
chilly brook
Pandaren are dope
loud patrol
better than vulperats i guess
chilly brook
pandaren is a joke class that blizzard released cuz they ran out of ideas at the...
They existed back in WC3
And vanilla WoW
loud patrol
as an easter egg
chilly brook
Not an Easter egg when you play Chen Stormstout
jagged pier
who cares what race u play when u can buy blueberry mufins and be a tuskarr
loud patrol
wasnt part of the main campaign at all, you had to do very specific stuff to unlock chen
loud patrol
who cares what race u play when u can buy blueberry mufins and be a tuskarr
true, tuskarr best race
chilly brook
It wasn’t that specific
loud patrol
well yeah not that hard, get to the map corner and get the 3 barrels
still not part of the main story tho
made the game easier
short plover
is melandrus ring good for us?
strong forum
melandrus ring is bis yes
loud patrol
bis with thunderous if you aint a raiding sweat lord
i have seen thderous 5 times already and havent won one
quartz mist
bro I havent seen one yet
strong forum
neither have it
i havent seen a weapon yet either
23 keys this week and no weapon
craggy pilot
is Vault drop capped at 18?
dense temple
45 keys and a total of 2 upgrades 🙂
loud patrol
is Vault drop capped at 18?
at 20 as far as i know
strong forum
i got like 6 trinkets 4 necks
dense flame
strong forum
vault capped at 20 ye
craggy pilot
so 20 is 421?
strong forum
ye
craggy pilot
19 is same as 18?
strong forum
ye
upbeat elk
I'd like to get into tanking and want to get used to a WeakAuras profile while practising in normal dungeons.
Which one would you guys suggest?
south zealot
real gamers go haste crit
loud patrol
i wanna clear 20