been in the game since day1 ye
#protection
strong forum
jovial birch
I like to thunderclap land
molten ruin
ive never and been playing this toon since cata lmao
floral river
charge owns
craggy pilot
oh wow just checked the Charged Blast, and its almost invisible wtf
ancient reef
Ok so im down to three choices for a tank warrior, Troll, Zandalari troll or tauren
molten ruin
tauren extra stun
floral river
zanda fashion
molten ruin
true^
ancient reef
for mythic+ and for raid though @molten ruin
craggy pilot
just pick whatever you like the most, race doesnt mean anything
outer thorn
havent regretted GONK GANG (zandalari racial)
ancient reef
so not worth min maxing race
floral river
there's no appreciable difference
molten ruin
more like what you think would be most viable, racials in zandalar are good and so are the tauren's
ancient reef
isnt the tauren stun and stamina good?
molten ruin
i play belf for arcane torrent
craggy pilot
play whichever race, it makes no difference
molten ruin
mhm
floral river
except gnome
bleak stump
arcane torent is REALLY good but i mean its not worth picking your race solely for that lol
floral river
and certainly not mechagnome
outer thorn
@bleak stump tyra week umbreskul 5 belf bis setup xD
molten ruin
i disagree i love AT. XD
floral river
pugs don't even know what AT does
bleak stump
i know lol all my tanks are belfs that can be for arcane torrent but i mean its not worth picking it soley for that like the tauren stomp is a reallly good stun/mas interupt lol each class has bonuses and they are like make or break
molten ruin
if i was alliance id be a nelf
craggy pilot
AT is just AOE purge now isnt it?
molten ruin
yes
floral river
yeah
outer thorn
does AT at least partially work on first boss RLP?
jovial birch
Kul Tiran for extra swim speed and underwater breathing duration
floral river
and some of the worst fashion
molten ruin
dad bods can be hot hater lol
jovial birch
yeah dont diss the belly
floral river
try to create a mog for them
jovial birch
it always starts with the brawlers harness I can tell you that
and doesnt usually add much else
floral river
I think it would have been funnier if they made kultirans the really skinny humans
bleak stump
or be smart and have the option for both since the models are already in game lol
makes zero sense they cant be both lol
floral river
I wanna look like earthworm jim
sand drum
weird Q, is there some log numbers from what "spike embellishments" ? is it meh or ?
seems low ?
floral river
it's average afaik, did only 1.6% overall in a HoV 14
replaced
limber galleon
if i was alliance id be a nelf
I’ve never seen dwarf spelled that wrong
molten ruin
I’ve never seen dwarf spelled that wrong
lmao shadowmeld my guy
tho youre right dwarf if huge for warriors
their buffs esp Dark iron is bigg
limber galleon
The beard alone gives you 10% confidence and thus more DPS
bright lion
What have people been setting ruby whelp to?
fallen pulsar
Damage, buts its rng anyway
lusty grotto
*codex* wibes
no, not really
proud dock
wats a smart way to utilize valor? any good upgrading strats?
molten ruin
not use it the first few weeks
fallen pulsar
I rock kul tiran, I think they benefit greatly from chest pieces with a top piece that sticks out, it balances out the dad bod and just makes them look like a hulk
I think their racial armor chest is one one of the best pieces for em
Easier to mog around it. But the armor that basically skin wraps your character do look pretty bad
hollow stump
does armor spikes scale with the reagent or with the ilvl of the item
quartz kettle
what enchant for my 1h prot M+
crystal canopy
So my lariat is ilvl 392 how do I make it 405? I saw someone with a 405
mellow quartz
Recraft
crystal canopy
What’s the option to make it 405?
chrome falcon
can you block while solving the puzzle box trinket
mellow quartz
What’s the option to make it 405?
One of those matrix things that increase the ilvl
crystal canopy
Oh where do u get the primal focus?
mellow quartz
For higher end of the range he needs the other as well
crystal canopy
Ohh I see
warm plinth
Oh where do u get the primal focus?
Primal infusion. You need 10 primal focus (drops from 11-15 keys) and like 100 primal chaos
lusty grotto
Oh where do u get the primal focus?
normal ones keys 11 to 14, concentrated 15+
similar to heroic for normals, and mythic for concentrated in raids
but im not entirely sure about normals, could be acquired in normal raids, so if anyone has any info on them...
plus normals are acquired in renown 30 as well
heavy glen
What’s a good ilvl to start trying to kill mythic eranog?
I don’t have a mythic raid team
lusty grotto
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ty sir
sick sentinel
i saw a bald man pull an entire zone with prot
is this true? 
chrome falcon
What’s a good ilvl to start trying to kill mythic eranog?
whatever ilvl you get let in at
if you're competent and getting any healing it's a very easy boss to tank
heavy glen
So…. If I make my own group….
chrome falcon
shut flare
im having this problem
transfer aborted: instance not found. i cannot enter any dungeon. anyone know?
foggy ruin
just untime one still score
heavy glen
Magic dam=no fun?
chrome falcon
everything does hilariously way too much damage
especially the bosses
on fortified week
chrome falcon
most of the trash is ok
but 2nd and 3rd boss are stupid on fort
and first will probably become stupid on tyr
lusty grotto
yeah agreed
lusty grotto
cross server personals dont seem to work
lusty grotto
i always get the capped message
snow robin
Hello friends, any recommendations on what to use our sparks on ? trinket etc., ?
chrome falcon
ah
yes nim
try typing the person's name with a capital first letter
fixed it for my friends
lusty grotto
let me check
chrome falcon
i'm not kidding
chrome falcon
Hello friends, any recommendations on what to use our sparks on ? trinket etc., ...
depends what content you're doing but weapon/shield are your most important slots
lusty grotto
should be Name-Server right?
snow robin
depends what content you're doing but weapon/shield are your most important slot...
M+ mostly, still gearing but have these sparks sitting around
chrome falcon
should be Name-Server right?
yeah
i've had multiple people tell me my orders were full
when they typed mattacate-dentarg
but then Mattacate-Dentarg worked fine
slim dove
pugging normal is actually suffering
heavy glen
Who here is working on mythic raiding? I’m curious to know your ilvl
fallen gazelle
pugging anything right now is pretty suffering
slim dove
fr fr
heavy glen
It’s week 1…. Have patience…:
slim dove
no
heavy glen
Lol
slim dove
people wont learn their class magically next week
they wont talent into AOE soothe or kick
slim dove
3 wipes on dathea normal because nobody kicks infusers and other tank can't press charge fast enough to deal with 3 stacks
like...come on
heavy glen
It’s week one….
slim dove
sitting here with 7 stacks getting booted into narnia and im still getting back to boss just fine
heavy glen
Chill out. When did you want to have this done anyway?
slim dove
bro all i said was pugging normal is suffering
and it is
got no patience to wipe in normal where im outdpsing half the raid 
heavy glen
Get a guild
slim dove
can't commit to raid times working on-call
chrome falcon
Who here is working on mythic raiding? I’m curious to know your ilvl
8/8N 4/8HC gonna be potentially doing mythic eranog tomorrow and i'm 385
heavy glen
Ty
uneven mason
Well, the propaganda campaign is working
I can't get invited to dungeons tonight
"Warriors arn't good anymore"
craggy pilot
so many fuckin frontals in COS :<
fallen pulsar
"Warriors arn't good anymore"
Wut lmao, what kind of dummies saying this
safe relic
guys, quick question, at what point in the ilvl you start to look for stats
fast knot
People that don't kick or CC
uneven mason
guys, quick question, at what point in the ilvl you start to look for stats
never?
Ilvl always
heavy glen
I start looking for stats as soon as they drop. If I see itemised, I am full erect.
lusty grotto
👆
heavy glen
Diff being…. HUGE ilvl.
lusty grotto
you want to optimize at equal ilvl, thats it
chrome falcon
^
heavy glen
How many beers are required to tank M+ dungeons optimally?
uneven mason
How many beers are required to tank M+ dungeons optimally?
I'm on 7
chrome falcon
you only try to optimise actual armour at equal ilvl
jewelry you can play around with more
slim dove
How many beers are required to tank M+ dungeons optimally?
depends how many pugs you run with
heavy glen
4 pugs
primal badger
Is Enduring Scale a fat trink for prot atm?
Trying to figure out whether or not to upgrade things yet
lucid dew
It seems like it’s the most popular trinket
craggy pilot
where do we rank the Nokhud on the difficulty scale? just got it in 14 and didnt do it other than a +5 .. 2 days ago
craggy pilot
2nd boss is a gear/healer check
the one with the 50% dmg bonus? 🤔
slim dove
the one with the 50% dmg bonus? 🤔
dude ive done tons of noguds trying to get my warlock his feather trinket and the last 4 healers had no idea what the orbs did
craggy pilot
ah so i guess its more a knowledge thing than a gear thing 😄
is it possible to keep the buff up entire fight?
slim dove
pretty sure yeah
its pretty fun having your arcane mage wait for 10 stacks + thundering, pop lust and blast
boss just melts.
craggy pilot
is it possible to reflect both effects onto the last boss? 🤔
slim dove
the first yes.
craggy pilot
i feel the CD is too long
slim dove
you can reflect conductive (and should) every time
craggy pilot
would be hella fun if we could reflect both of these
slim dove
thunder strike i dont think the timing works.
craggy pilot
but he casts them too fast
ocean finch
Are we only getting tier set from raid this tier? Or can we get them by only doing M+?
craggy pilot
the debuff is 10sec, and our Reflect CD is 20 sec 😦
build a reflect would be awesome tech though holy shit
also on 2nd boss Nokhud, aparently this one is reflectable
and its baitable
ocean finch
Yea its nice, does alot aswell
craggy pilot
so i can just pop Reflect, and yeet out for orbs, and then go back 😄
craggy pilot
also i think we can gain tier from Vault no?
slim dove
also i think we can gain tier from Vault no?
yup
slim dove
I believe so but i cant recall exactly where i heard it
craggy pilot
yes, the chance is low though
drifting needle
also on 2nd boss Nokhud, aparently this one is reflectable
Just wait for boss to get buffed, yeet out and reflect then back in/purge boss
Big bang
craggy pilot
Just wait for boss to get buffed, yeet out and reflect then back in/purge boss
buffed?
drifting needle
Boss gets a damage buff by 50% I think? (not online currently)
Like a 10 second purge/dispell buff
craggy pilot
aha
drifting needle
So can proper game it
slim dove
its Energy Surge and it gives him an attack speed buff
drifting needle
Oh thought it was damage, ree. Guessing he just hits hard so as I did like 12% of my damage in reflects in a 15 earlier
craggy pilot
whats the idea in 2nd boss area of Nokhud? do you kill the totems first or do they not rly do anything?
healer left during trash around 2nd boss, not even a lot of hps 🤷♂️ people dropping like mad
but i guess its just dangerous trash there?
fading tide
32.3k dps on academy 8 decent right?
edgy grail
Seems like on the lower end but depends on how fast your team did the dungeon
And what your ilvl is ofc
fading tide
Damn
edgy grail
More revenge!
toxic pewter
How much is a good overall dps to shoot for in a m+? Maybe 40k?
tender cove
32.3k dps on academy 8 decent right?
dps will depend on how much/little you pull and how fast you kill stuff.
tender cove
If your group pulls big and pulls around cooldowns, you're gonna have a lot more dps vs not.
You can say an average but it doesn't really mean that much. Compare yourself against yourself and previous run. Not against top players, look at how they play for improving instead.
At least my 2 cents
celest glade
does anyone have a spell reflect weakaura for df yet?
craggy pilot
wow i love healers who join, say nothing, and leave after 1 wipe on 1st boss
tender cove
wow i love healers who join, say nothing, and leave after 1 wipe on 1st boss
I will legit kick anyone who doesn't say hi when joining.
craggy pilot
he did tho
just never anything else
just straight up left after 1 wipe
on week 1 of M+ wtf
tender cove
thats bit odd ye
craggy pilot
peoples time is so precious even on week 1 🤣
tender cove
usually its those who joins, never says anything and just ups an leaves.
craggy pilot
they want everyone to be MDI players
oh well fucked my key from 14 to 12
now bedtime and ill do it tomorrow
fk that shit
tender cove
they want everyone to be MDI players
why did you wipe though? 😛
craggy pilot
people on at night in EU are garbage
no one killed the saboteur add on 1st boss
so we got oneshot by the cast
junior spade
I wanna get back into pve. Is the easiest way to is just farm heroic dungeon gear then goto mythic dungeons and the move into mplus? I don't have friends so it could be a struggle from the beginning
craggy pilot
I wanna get back into pve. Is the easiest way to is just farm heroic dungeon gea...
you just do it through groupfinder, not too hard
junior spade
Ok
tender cove
I wanna get back into pve. Is the easiest way to is just farm heroic dungeon gea...
I wouldn't start with heroics. you can do 2-5s without any strat, groups etc.
At least do m0 so you get all abilities
but really, no reason not todo 2+s and above as a start
craggy pilot
if he is low gear he should do M0 before +2, as it gives faster gear
junior spade
Alright. And I'm torn between both prot war and pally they're both really fun to me
craggy pilot
depends on ilvl though
opaque vine
Go with Paladin
tender cove
if he is low gear he should do M0 before +2, as it gives faster gear
for sure, under 370 go farm m0 for 4 chances vs 1 :p
craggy pilot
if you like Rage, play Warr, if you like throwing shields, play Pala
tender cove
I play both pala and warr. There's very little difference. Just flavor.
craggy pilot
holy shit Divine Toll just feels so dumb good to press on Prot Pala ❤️
i love that shit
just the sound
and then everything is interrupted and just stacks up
almost as cool as Abom limb
junior spade
They're both my favorite tanks also smacking people with a shield is awesome
uneven mason
almost as cool as Abom limb
Nothing compares to slappyhands
uneven mason
I play both pala and warr. There's very little difference. Just flavor.
I mean one sounds like trucks slamming into eachother and mitigates damage like mobs are wielding feathers and the other is a windchime that mitigates like wet cardboard but yeah almost the same
vapid mountain
next patch shield block 50% block chance and spell reflect 2min cd
fallen pulsar
Next patch: no more shields, prot now uses a parrying dagger
harsh thorn
I'm maining warrior for first time since tbc, it's hella fun
stone horizon
Is there any scenario where we go battle stance as prot ?
vapid mountain
always
stone horizon
wat
vapid mountain
only go def stance when u take magic dmg
fast knot
You only swap when you're getting chunked or about to take predicted damage
to save your healers some stress
fast knot
Pretty much any time until a dangerous pull
craggy pilot
bstance is 14% dmg gain
vapid mountain
just always be in battle stance while playing keys and you will notice soon when you need def stance
then just use it in those situations
stone horizon
damn, i see
fast knot
those situations are going to depend heavily on whether or not your dps are going to assist you with kicks and cc
stone horizon
i thought that i had to always run on def stance
craggy pilot
i thought that i had to always run on def stance
thats bait
fast knot
if your dps are completely boosted you're probably gonna have to turtle this week
vapid mountain
I usually camp def stance in high keys that can only go wrong if I die
like 18 life pools the start icebolts hit for 190k without raging
tender cove
i thought that i had to always run on def stance
There's nothing wrong about playing in defensive stance.
stone horizon
like 18 life pools the start icebolts hit for 190k without raging
i see
fast knot
You just want to maximize damage output since that speeds up key
craggy pilot
like 18 life pools the start icebolts hit for 190k without raging
you timing 18s?
vapid mountain
some
fast knot
without jeopardizing your survivability
vapid mountain
its pretty easy to die still if u are doing keys for first time so for real its pretty good to just camp def stance until you are comfortable with the keys
tender cove
You just want to maximize damage output since that speeds up key
For sure, specially if you're not taking signiciant damage. But rather than flipping the switch, i would recommend trying to go into bstance when he feels safe and work from there.
vapid mountain
then start flicking b stance in some easier pulls
craggy pilot
so often the key gets depleted because DPS is too low, or HPS too low, or shit not getting kicked
stone horizon
doing 23k overall, wich i thought was pretty nice
vapid mountain
like if you go into temple of jade serpent without def stance
stone horizon
yeah
vapid mountain
you are dead moose meat
craggy pilot
very rarely i feel i die straight up cus im in BStance
stone horizon
you are dead moose meat
yeah
craggy pilot
when i die its if i stood in shit i shouldnt have, and then DStance does nothing for me anyway
stone horizon
ruby, temple and that tree boss on academy are fucked up
stone horizon
yeah
vapid mountain
atleast with this gear
vapid mountain
but next weeks gonna be a breeze after this one
limber python
kings how does the dragon pats work in ruby life pools
fast knot
Flamegullet will go through the sky just past that second elemental pack which can pull if you walk to far forward
Can't really paint from memory where he lands though
limber python
the storm one i never understand at all tho
fast knot
point back to wall and keep block up
just have to be careful to not accidently pull packs with knockback or the solo thunder boys
I never really remember getting knocked but from a 0 I got yeeted to Arkansas so I always put back to wall now
fast knot
Immediately to left from first boss he's there
I always do that immediately
since that guy kind of fucks
and you need the path clear to kite boss
limber python
ive seen him in different areas i usually go right tho
fast knot
hmm
I skip flamegullet so 🤔
especially on higher fort keys that 50-0% is giga damage to party
primal crypt
what effect should I choose for this trinket?
is the dmg buff worth?
or the primary stat
opaque vine
how do you proc each?
amber lily
Hey I’m sure there’s been discussions about this already but the pugs like to tell me that I should be playing shockwave build instead of ferocious roar. Thoughts?
I also see the top raider io players sone play shockwave build sone play roar and would it be dungeon dependent?
royal coral
I think roar builds is higher overall dmg
thin silo
my understanding for dungeons is that we go shockwave for the stop but not any of its enhancements. damage comes from roar tree
royal coral
My m+ uses shockwave but nothing below it
vernal vale
Hey I’m sure there’s been discussions about this already but the pugs like to t...
Roar is more dps over the course of the dungeon.
The build in the pins for m+ is very good damage and survivability
last mason
idk how people are pugging dungeons above 10s
main pulsar
1500 valor cap per week right?
vernal vale
1500 valor cap per week right?
Yes
reef haven
Is there any strat as the tank for not fucking the arena on 2nd boss in Ruby Life Pools, or is down to the party to not be retarded and not stand in bad locations (especially the ranged)?
fair stump
Can we stack valor though or do we need to spend it week to week?
ancient reef
profession recommendations boss?
reef haven
does not matter, you can craft all you might need from crafting orders, just pick the ones you like
harsh thorn
Can we stack valor though or do we need to spend it week to week?
Can stack, the cap goes up by 1500 each week, as a wya of catchup, means if you miss a few weeks you can spam keys later in season to reach the valor cap without losing out
ancient reef
ok so mining for ores i guess and jewelcrafting for prospecting
or alchemy herbalism for the toxic debuff
reef haven
first one strength haste sims the highest
quartz mist
socket all 3 strength haste
reef haven
you can't
severe hatch
Can only have 1 strength gem
reef haven
strength/haste is epic, only 1
severe hatch
For me pure haste simmed highest for last 2
reef haven
it will depend on your current stats
theres no right answer besides simming it yourself
and it might change everytime you change a piece
quartz kettle
anyone have an update to date court of stars WA
for the find the guy part in particular
cinder storm
Question, Shadowmoon burial, getting to the 4 adds after skipping the void spawn thats patroling, we normally go left and one void was there, we went right and the void teleported there
vernal vale
then the rest haste vers
I went crit haste because I want my lariat to proc haste.
tender cove
Question, Shadowmoon burial, getting to the 4 adds after skipping the void spawn...
pretty sure its always one void on right side with the casters on the runes?
dreamy flame
where can i learn the prot rotation? i'm coming from a pally main and i'm a little confused
cinder storm
pretty sure its always one void on right side with the casters on the runes?
Yeah, thats what I thought, this time it was on the left side, when we released and discussed that maybe the spawn is random, we went right and it teleported to the right side
reef haven
where can i learn the prot rotation? i'm coming from a pally main and i'm a litt...
either icy veins or wowhead have guides from this discord
down to your preference
tender cove
where can i learn the prot rotation? i'm coming from a pally main and i'm a litt...
Judgement, hammer is your Shield slam and Thunderclap (generators). Revenge can proc and is free, much like your divine protection talent. Can also be used to burn rage. Shield block is your limited version of sotr. The remaining rage is spent on Ignore pain, Both are your active mitigation, the later being your "wog" in terms of self heals. And that's about it. Generate and spend it.
Also read the pins and pick a guide.
dreamy flame
Judgement, hammer is your Shield slam and Thunderclap (generators). Revenge can ...
thank you so much!
vernal vale
thank you so much!
Ignore what ignore pain says.
It's used to dump rage and prevent overcapping
tender cove
thank you so much!
Warrior also has a self heal on 25s cd in the victory rush talent.
vernal vale
You will ignore pain a lot but the numbers on it are irrelevant
tender cove
It's used to dump rage and prevent overcapping
That's why i said the remaining rage, implied that you shouldn't overcap but perhaps unclear. Both are active mitigation though?
vernal vale
Shield block is most important.
tender cove
Yes, thats why I followed it up with read the pins and read a guide. I just wanted to give him a quick funny overlap the similarities of prot :p
urban portal
Can we stack valor though or do we need to spend it week to week?
you can stack
vernal vale
Yes, thats why I followed it up with read the pins and read a guide. I just want...
Yeah, I was just adding more information because lots of people overvalued ignore pain.
vapid magnet
Do we have any specific items from M+ that is the best idea to save valor for, I got the crystal bulwark drop and was wondering if it was worth it to put my valor into upgrading it yet
inland mesa
what ilvl would we start thinking about dropping the dps assembly scholar's loop?
reef haven
when it stops simming higher than other ring you might have
always sim your new pieces
inland mesa
ye, I'll have to, was just curious as 395 thunderous cloudburst dropped
quartz mist
for socketing the lariat , do we need to buy each rank of tiered medallion?
or forget tier 1 and just buy 2 and 3
inland mesa
just 2 and 3 as it comes with one, put 2 in first or you'll have to buy 2 of the 3
quartz mist
figured, thanks mates
reef haven
or you gonna need a 2nd one
vernal vale
Do we have any specific items from M+ that is the best idea to save valor for, I...
Trinkets, shield, jewelery
reef haven
Do we have any specific items from M+ that is the best idea to save valor for, I...
hard to answer bcs vault is unpredictable
you also probably don't wanna spend your valor before getting into higher keys where you drop higher ilvl so can save some valor
toxic geyser
Quick question: fairly sure the answer is yes; but wanted to double check:
Is it the right call to keep SB up when offtanking in raid for the shield slam damage amp?
vapid magnet
I'll probably hold off for a bit I just know shields are usually harder to come by
what are the best trinkets looking like so far if anyone knows?
reef haven
Quick question: fairly sure the answer is yes; but wanted to double check:
Is it...
what amp?
nvm I'm dumb
digital frigate
Hello friends. I have read pins but I must ask personal question. I have 25% haste 22% (24% with other stuff) vers, but my mastery and critical kinda low. Is there a point in which i am too low?
22% haste, sorry I lie. 23% vers
15 mastery 16 crit
reef haven
you have to sim your stat weights
loud patrol
can someone explain stat weights to me like im 5?
reef haven
imagine haste is 2 and crit is 1.5
digital frigate
Thank you so mu ch
vernal vale
what are the best trinkets looking like so far if anyone knows?
Ruby whelp shell and blazebinders
reef haven
1 point in haste is 2 points of dps, 1 point of crit is 1.5 points of dps
it changes fairly often, better than simming your stat weight is always simming new gear
vernal vale
Hello friends. I have read pins but I must ask personal question. I have 25% has...
Haste is basically as much as you can get. Impossible to major DR numbers
After that verse=crit give or take.
At least in the grand scheme of things.
Mastery is our worst stat
Of course more strength is the most important Stat you can have
loud patrol
it changes fairly often, better than simming your stat weight is always simming ...
ohh ty
reef haven
ye, higher ilvl > all (not on rings, neck and trinkets)
then haste and vers probably better for survivability
loud patrol
we need a measure on how many hogger hits can we tank
reef haven
versatility work for magic damage and is a static damage reduction, while crit and mastery work against attacks only
vernal vale
Crit is better in dungeons as a majority of the damage in there is physical and crit is parry
Verse you need an astronomical amount to really matter but it is passive across all damage
mortal brook
Dead enemies do less damage. Pew pew helps survival
vernal vale
Gemming and enchanting verse isn't noticeable. Something that 1 taps you at 10% verse will 1 tap you at 11% verse
Which is a missed kick of something more often than not.
vernal vale
Dead enemies do less damage. Pew pew helps survival
I mean if you look me up I'm like 3% verse and 30% crit sooo
mortal brook
vernal vale
I would not like to heal you on an azure vault
I havent had much time to push m+ between work and being sick this week. Tomorrow I'll see how I feel in keys above 10
reef haven
just get a windwalker, rogue (not assassination) and arcane mage on your party
and you don't have to worry about anything
quartz mist
M+ yall taking frozen or wafting you think , sim it up im guessing
vernal vale
M+ yall taking frozen or wafting you think , sim it up im guessing
I'm grabing sophic
Frozen splits the damage so it actually winds up worse on aoe
reef haven
I use wafting writ because I'm going budget
quartz mist
i got a fat rank 1 wafting on
reef haven
M+ yall taking frozen or wafting you think , sim it up im guessing
frozen gives you no defense
pliant maple
is someone a macro god?
fallen pulsar
Who needs defense, dead things cant hurt you
pliant maple
I want a macro that shows shield charge when its up, and charge when it's not
oak ivy
don't use shield charge as a regular charge. it's an offensive CD
reef haven
ye, shield charge is a big aoe cd
vernal vale
I want a macro that shows shield charge when its up, and charge when it's not
Better off keeping them seperate. As you have times you'll want just charge when shield charge is available.
pliant maple
kk thanks for the input
reef haven
my damage has gone up a lot since I dropped thunderlord and started syncing avatar/demo shout/shield charge on aoe packs
using battering ram and champion's bulwark
I swear avatar always ends up syncing with demo shout (since you can still sync them if demo shout is still on cd for 12 seconds and you use avatar)
vernal vale
my damage has gone up a lot since I dropped thunderlord and started syncing avat...
Yeah, I don't use thunderlord in keys. No reason.
digital frigate
@reef haven Thank you so much friend
reef haven
I've seen a lot of end raiders use Bolster instead of Tough as Nails for dungeons, anyone knows why?
digital frigate
That helped me a lot
reef haven
no prob
vernal vale
I've seen a lot of end raiders use Bolster instead of Tough as Nails for dungeon...
They are running into the fray
pallid quiver
because they're wrong They're likely ru- that
You'll need Bolster to help patch SB uptime if you're rocking ITF
vernal vale
^
reef haven
I use ITF and have no issues
blazing bone
What should be my first T5 crafted piece be
vernal vale
What should be my first T5 crafted piece be
Shield if you don't have a good one
blazing bone
i was thinking a elemental lariat but im not sure if its worth since i have the haste/vers neck from CoS at 392
I have a 398 shield
vernal vale
Then lariat is solid
quartz mist
lariat is thicc
reef haven
belt, helm, weapon, waist
blazing bone
i have people trying to charge me 50k to make
reef haven
remember the embelishment are not that big
blazing bone
with my providing mats
oblique drift
What's the most reliable way to handle the pack before the first boss in Shadowmoon with the three skeletons and one caster?
blazing bone
i just charge in there and look pretty
oblique drift
the caster isn't what gives me trouble really, it is the skeletons
they hit like a train with their ability
reef haven
what key level and ilvl?
oblique drift
very easily hitting for like 160 - 180k depending on the key level unless I have shield wall or spell reflect up
uh anything from like 11-14 and I've been in the low to mid 380s
reef haven
are you keeping shield block, ignore pain rolling?
and not turning your back against them
oblique drift
it's magic damage
reef haven
the skellies?
reef haven
honestly can't remember, I've had zero issues with that pack
oblique drift
everything else in the instance tickles me except for them
reef haven
the most trouble I've had in the dungeon was when I pulled the 4 big spiders by mistake
vernal vale
they've never actually given me any issues
Do a slow kite. You can keep them just a bit away from you thier attack is melee range if I remember correctly
reef haven
spell reflection probably helps a ton too
vernal vale
Shockwave stun, shield wall, spell reflect will all help reduce the damage from that pack
oblique drift
Yeah spell reflect helps some, but it doesn't last long enough to block all of them - definitely going to try kiting though, that sounds like a good idea
arctic charm
uhhhh avatar doesnt remove storm eater boon root?
vernal vale
Yeah spell reflect helps some, but it doesn't last long enough to block all of t...
If you have a log it could tell me more to help you
oblique drift
Not at the moment, but I'll try logging if I have more problems after employing the kite strat
quartz mist
whats your go to trinket choices , im pairing up my whispering incarnate icon and blazebinders hoof rn , any thoughts on grinding up a wheystone from CoS and replace blazebinders hoof. just curious what trinks you like using
vernal vale
I log all my runs so I can analyze them later. It's proved very helpful
oblique drift
That is probably good advice for optimizing play
vernal vale
whats your go to trinket choices , im pairing up my whispering incarnate icon an...
Whetstone probably has the same status as it previously did of being good in big aoe and not much else. Mastery on it hurts its value.
oblique drift
I might start doing that after I feel comfortable with all the routes
quartz mist
yes im aware of that post lmao , i posted it for what trinks you like using
also yeah the mastery is ball sack for sure
sick sentinel
is whetstone not our BiS single target? bloodmallet says so but i dont see much representation on logs
reef haven
trinkets always depend on the fights
vernal vale
I might start doing that after I feel comfortable with all the routes
The value of logging is more than just roots. It told me all last expansion I was wasting about 1k rage a dungeon.
reef haven
The value of logging is more than just roots. It told me all last expansion I wa...
wtf xD
1k???? how
oblique drift
I know I'm definitely wasting rage haha, though hard to say how much. Prot warrior in its current incarnation is fairly new to me.
vernal vale
1k???? how
I was generating 1k rage per minute. Over a dungeon a bit here and there all added up.
oblique drift
1k is not as much as you'd think over the course of an entire dungeon I'd say
reef haven
I never cap unless out of combat
vernal vale
Well in a 28min dungeon I would generate 28k rage so
reef haven
finger always ready to dump that sweet rage on IP
when revenge is not appropiate of course
oblique drift
A lot of the time I feel like that doesn't really do anything if you are fighting a pack which poses no real danger to you
vernal vale
That's the goal lol
vernal vale
A lot of the time I feel like that doesn't really do anything if you are fightin...
If you are going to cap rage slap ignore pain. Indomitable healing, anger management CD
reef haven
spending rage for violent outburst
even if IP refresh does nothing
that spending is important
and indomitable too ye
vernal vale
Ignore what ignore pain says it does and think of it purely as a mechanism to feed the rage machine. Spend rage to gain rage
oblique drift
good point, good point
what is the easiest thing to drop in favor of picking up battle-scarred veteran?
vernal vale
what is the easiest thing to drop in favor of picking up battle-scarred veteran?
If you feel the need for BSV you will have to give up some damage.
oblique drift
It has helped me immensely on certain encounters, specifically plant boss in academy
reef haven
that fight gets hectic if your party does not stack the adds and clears their debuff
vernal vale
It has helped me immensely on certain encounters, specifically plant boss in aca...
If you are using the pinned ones drop thunderlord
hasty field
If you are using the pinned ones drop thunderlord
Why would you drop it?
oblique drift
I'm using the icy veins M+ build
vernal vale
I'm using the icy veins M+ build
I'll look atthat one.
oblique drift
I think it is very similar to the wowhead build
it does not take enduring alacrity though
vernal vale
Why would you drop it?
You can better sync avatar and demoralizing without it
reef haven
and pick battering ram or champion's bulwark
I dropped thunderlord and enduring alacrity to pick both
for m+ ofc
oblique drift
I've been using champion's bulwark, but not battering ram
reef haven
battering ram is big for bosses
oblique drift
perhaps good for next week
safe mango
Hi, I'm trying to tank a lot more for our key group good season. Does anyone have any recommendations for streamers that are really good to watch to learn good practices, routes etc.?
oblique drift
I will say I'm definitely not trying to run BSV all the time, just for certain keys
vernal vale
I think it is very similar to the wowhead build
Yeah, if you are doing the icyveins I would drop thunderlord to take BSV if you feel you need it
oblique drift
okay, that makes sense, probably less impactful than anything else
thanks for the advice!
vernal vale
Hi, I'm trying to tank a lot more for our key group good season. Does anyone hav...
P1ka and Nomerator.
Though Nomerator does meme 5 tank keys a fair bit
reef haven
Naowh
Echo tank
he is occupied with world first atm tho, so he won't be streaming m+ for a while besides the random keys they decide to run
hasty field
You can better sync avatar and demoralizing without it
But demo gives you +20% dam considering you take booming voice
Isn’t it just better?
digital frigate
Someone here set up automarkers already might have a guide on how to do this?
safe mango
Can't seem to find P1ka on Twitch
reef haven
Isn’t it just better?
I don't think anyone has a deffo answer for it atm, its really down to personal preference while its not totally figured out
I've had better results after dropping it
hasty field
It just sounds weird to me to drop a talent that gives you more windows when you do straight more dam
reef haven
syncing cooldowns is better than just using a single cooldown in many cases
vernal vale
But demo gives you +20% dam considering you take booming voice
Thunderlord will desynch it with avatar. In the grand scheme of things I do about the same with then without.
Thunderlord also loses lots of value on bosses
reef haven
you might end up having demo shout up ready while shield charge still has 20 seconds for example
while without thunderlord they will always be synced
hasty field
And yet more demos -> more rage -> more everything
And honestly it’s syncable
But it’s up to your personal preferences I suppose
reef haven
thats what I said
no one has it really figured out
I think Nomeratur has also dropped thunderlord
for Battering Ram
pallid quiver
It just sounds weird to me to drop a talent that gives you more windows when you...
You get to replace it with Battering Ram, which makes Shield Charge slap lots harder in those windows, and it gives more SS resets
Which means more rage for fueling Avatar refreshes
booming voice also gives that rage as well, so that's not as strong of a point,
vernal vale
I think Nomeratur has also dropped thunderlord
He has
pallid quiver
It turns out to be a bit of a damage increase if you pull around the base demo windows
reef haven
and battering ram also increases the crit chance and crit damage of shield charge, which is big when you use it in aoe packs
followed by a 20s buff to your auto attacks
20% in damage and speed
which is big for ST
vernal vale
Battering Ram is just very good in general
hasty field
It is absolutely big
Well sounds legit, gonna try it out tomorrow, thanks for pointing it out
vernal vale
I mean if your curious about numbers look up some of Nomerators runs
reef haven
whenever you have avatar it should always be lining up with demo shout, if demo shout still has 12 seconds and avatar is ready, you can use avatar since it lasts for 20 seconds and demo buff 8 seconds
oblique drift
Wouldn't avatar and demo shout be desynced because of anger management anyway?
although that is a good point Zodiac
reef haven
It has been lining up incredibly well for me at least
just make sure to never cap your rage during combat
oblique drift
I will try swapping thunderlord with battering ram and see how it goes
reef haven
if you can't use revenge because shield slam is up but need to dump your rage
just use IP or shield block
those 2 are not on gcd too
will be reducing lots of seconds on your avatar that way
vernal vale
Wouldn't avatar and demo shout be desynced because of anger management anyway?
Avatars CD is a lot longer then demo shout. Which is why anger management helps them sync up
oblique drift
true, though I was just thinking they would line up perfectly every time assuming you always use demo shout right away
reef haven
in the instance where they fail to sync I just hold on avatar
since its never more than 10 seconds
and the syncing is so good
oblique drift
yeah it's probably not a big deal at all
reef haven
yeah it's probably not a big deal at all
100 rage to be exact
vernal vale
yeah it's probably not a big deal at all
I mean I do plenty of dps
reef haven
we are the dps now
multiple times that I've finished with more damage overall than my dps
vernal vale
we are the dps now
Lol I mean I snuck a look at the logs of my old guild. I would be top dps in thier raid team... so...
vernal vale
multiple times that I've finished with more damage overall than my dps
I do that a lot in dungeons
reef haven
ye, almost always in front of one of the dps in my party
avatar, ravager, demo shout, shield charge and thunderous roar goes BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
vernal vale
pallid quiver
imagine pressing revenge when we have G I G A clap
reef haven
damn I just looked at my dmg from last dungeon
the cobalt assembly ring proc did as much % as tough as nails
the embellished helm does 3 times less the amount
remote dawn
what shield for crafting? tempo/vers with armor spike or the crit/mast and vers procc?
reef haven
the one without the proc is recommended I think, since top embellishments are others
the one without proc is not embellished
chilly brook
So why the hell do the dragons in RLP hit so damn hard compared to everything else lmao
reef haven
you mean the big fire elementals? 
chilly brook
no I mean the dragons lmao
maybe it's a monk thing
but those were the only things that made me pucker
reef haven
do you dodge the frontals fully?
vernal vale
imagine pressing revenge when we have **G I G A** clap
I mean I clap too
chilly brook
by frontals you mean the breaths yes
reef haven
they are scary for sure tho
remote dawn
thx okay, and when i have the lariat but a 372 shield it make sense? to craft shield
vernal vale
thx okay, and when i have the lariat but a 372 shield it make sense? to craft sh...
Yeah
remote dawn
❤️ merci
vernal vale
no I mean the dragons lmao
Those dragons wreck everyone
reef haven
ptsd from the storms
but I have more ptsd from my ranged dps baiting meteors and add spawns on 2nd boss
in idiotic places
chilly brook
Those dragons wreck everyone
yea just caught me off guard when DBM went "defensive" and I get slapped for 65% of my hp
vernal vale
I normally shield wall after all my dps die to the electric dragon and what not
pallid quiver
I mean I clap too
but have you gone even further beyond and replaced revenge with clap? screw cds, just cast it again
what's blizz gonna do, ban you?
vernal vale
yea just caught me off guard when DBM went "defensive" and I get slapped for 65%...
They definitely seem overtuned compared to the rest of it
chilly brook
But fr this is the most fun tanking has been in like 2 xpacs
pallid quiver
listen i'm in shitpost mode, the pug raid i'm in is in fight explain mode
vernal vale
I definitely like these dungeons so far
chilly brook
It's nice to feel powerful as a tank
vernal vale
listen i'm in shitpost mode, the pug raid i'm in is in fight explain mode
Hahahaha
chilly brook
having more control is good
vernal vale
If anything I struggle to pick my utility I want
reef haven
the best part is windwalker and rogue damage will get nerfed this week but our damage won't
chilly brook
“Nerfed”
vernal vale
Lol
vernal vale
3% is just to make all the other classes feel like something is being done
chilly brook
Since a huge portion of their damage profile is ToD which isn’t getting hit by this
In aoe that is
Of the keys I’ve done as WW it’s upwards of 15% of my total damage
reef haven
I mean it does nerf ToD too
chilly brook
It doesn’t
reef haven
since a part of ToD damage is from the dmg you do
chilly brook
No
vernal vale
listen i'm in shitpost mode, the pug raid i'm in is in fight explain mode
I'm glad to actually be on a team that's decent and let's me cut loose.
reef haven
read the rest of the tooltip
I'm not saying it nerfs all of it tho
that part is not nerfed ye
chilly brook
sick sentinel
is strike twice our BiS mainhand?
reef haven
"During the 8 sec duration, 10% of all other damage you deal to the target will be added to the final damage dealt."
chilly brook
That’s not in game
vernal vale
is strike twice our BiS mainhand?
No
chilly brook
The portion in the screenshot is the actual tooltip in game
Hence this
TLDR WW is sitting pretty unless they have to do strictly single target which is like one boss in the raid
vernal vale
what is
Spellblade cutlass has good stats that will outpace the 1proc per minute secondary effect on Strike Twice
chilly brook
Honestly I’m hoping Arms gets a lot better with the buffs
vernal vale
Honestly I’m hoping Arms gets a lot better with the buffs
Arms is suffering
chilly brook
I was actually excited for arms with the talent trees, sad to see the performance is not so great
chilly brook
Arms is suffering
Yea which is why I’m hoping the buffs are going to be impactful
chilly brook
Although really the problem with being hyper specialized will continue
vernal vale
Yea which is why I’m hoping the buffs are going to be impactful
The tree is good just undertuned
chilly brook
The tree is good just undertuned
Well the real problem with the tree is it makes you hyper specialize
It’s like aff, except you actually can do good single target
You can choose good aoe or good st but it’s at a significant detriment of the other
vernal vale
Well the real problem with the tree is it makes you hyper specialize
Fair enough, I enjoyed arms in the prepatch for the first time in years.
chilly brook
i hate pugs
My best advice is run your own key and be very picky with who you invite
loud patrol
man how people can wipe in dathea normal, i understand the first 2-3 tries but wiping 10 times?
loud patrol
My best advice is run your own key and be **very** picky with who you invite
its in raid this time 
the fight is braindead
chilly brook
Yea
Believe me I’ve been impressed with how…mechanically challenged…people are in raid
I showed up to a friends raid tonight and it was…..interesting
reef haven
I had a healer that could not dodge the meteor on 2nd boss in RLP
loud patrol
wot
reef haven
god I really hate pugs on that boss
loud patrol
in council?
loud patrol
ohh
chilly brook
Honestly I don’t think I can blame people though, there’s a lot going on in fairness. If you don’t have your UI squared away AND you’re trying to learn your class you’re setting yourself up for a pretty bad failure. Blizz has come a long way with the UI but I honestly think they need to communicate mechanics better, not for me but really just for the casual.
reef haven
I tried to pug Dathea in normal on my alt, oh big mistake
vernal vale
I showed up to a friends raid tonight and it was…..interesting
Yeah, I got asked to help my old guild on Wednesday and I just don't think I could handle it
chilly brook
It’s the biggest thing I praise FF for, the information communicated to the player without any need for special addons is perfect
loud patrol
true
FF mechanics not that they are easy but they are so well communicated that are easely dealt with
wary heath
got a Raszageth kill with pugs, warms your heart
vernal vale
got a Raszageth kill with pugs, warms your heart
Wow
wary heath
it's about the friends you made along the way
chilly brook
Yeah, I got asked to help my old guild on Wednesday and I just don't think I cou...
I just looked at it as a way for me to learn how to play the ST spec for WW since all I’ve been doing is m+
remote dawn
whats the best trinkets from M+?
wary heath
we dropped down to 10 people so we had less people to jack the mechanics up
chilly brook
Surprisingly I’ve had an insane amount of friend requests since starting to do dungeons
vernal vale
we dropped down to 10 people so we had less people to jack the mechanics up
That can make a big difference. Also requires more awareness
loud patrol
Surprisingly I’ve had an insane amount of friend requests since starting to do d...
i had zero 
or they are socially awkward or im a bad tank
wary heath
I also had a warrior offtank, we made an absolute legend tanking duo. he was probably on this discord
loud patrol
and i think im the problem
chilly brook
and i think im the problem <:sadge:820202363359854633>
Well acknowledging you have something to work on is how you get better
vernal vale
Surprisingly I’ve had an insane amount of friend requests since starting to do d...
The only thing I've gotten in pugs is whispers saying warrior is brokrn
chilly brook
Can’t fix something if you don’t know it’s broken
reef haven
people in m+ always say lol at my dmg at the end
loud patrol
the thing is idk if im doing somethign wrong
i mean im lacking in dmg
not using revenge that much idk why
loud patrol
even when im full on ip charge
vernal vale
Best way to find out is to log your dungeons
This tbh
chilly brook
Plenty of people in here will be more than happy to help you look through logs and give some actionable advice
reef haven
you press revenge if shield slam is not ready and need to dump focus, mostly, ofc there are special cases
chilly brook
people in m+ always say lol at my dmg at the end
Pretty sure my damage is ass as a tank
wary heath
chilly brook
But new class and tons of buttons so I suppose it’s expected
loud patrol
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/AmzMahkZPW6x1K8d#fight=last this could be a nice example
chilly brook
The best I’ve done is 30k at the end of an Algethar
reef haven
it will vary from dungeon to dungeon because of overall pack sizes
chilly brook
Well
I’m just happy I’m not dying and 2 chesting keys
I’ll get to optimizing my damage as a monk soon enough
reef haven
are you not outdpsing some of the dps regularly?
main pulsar
is there a "smart" way to spend Valor? Weapons first, like conquest?
vernal vale
That your normal raz pug?
reef haven
I mean overall damage at the end of dungeon
loud patrol
is there a "smart" way to spend Valor? Weapons first, like conquest?
i say spend valor on ur bis
chilly brook
I mean overall damage at the end of dungeon
Usually ahead of at least one dps
wary heath
yeah. nothing crazy. i might be low on damage, probably the last thing on my mind until phase 3
reef haven
ye, I'm usually top 2 or 3
vernal vale
is there a "smart" way to spend Valor? Weapons first, like conquest?
Trinkets and jelery
wary heath
the crazy thing is the difference in our healing
main pulsar
Anyone else love M+ tanking, but hate Raid tanking?
chilly brook
Granted I’m also behind, took a few weeks before I could actually jump into DF so I’m still under 270ilvl and haven’t done above a 10 yet
loud patrol
also any tip you guys wanna gib in my logs?
chilly brook
Anyone else love M+ tanking, but hate Raid tanking?
Raid tanking is fun
Assuming you’re doing it right
vernal vale
the crazy thing is the difference in our healing
That's all in ignore pain I'll bet
reef haven
raid tanking is chill, almost no mechanics to worry about, tanking m+ can get stressing very quickly
chilly brook
Raid is where you figure out just exactly how much damage you can pump out and maximize every last bit of your kit to do so
And how much tanky shit you can drop for the sake of damage
main pulsar
raid tanking is chill, almost no mechanics to worry about, tanking m+ can get st...
I prefer this lol
wary heath
2.3M (14%) was actually Arcane bubble
vernal vale
also any tip you guys wanna gib in my logs?
I'll check soon
chilly brook
I mean you can also limit test in raids tbh
keen star
the crazy thing is the difference in our healing
healing done depends greatly on damage taken, boss aggro uptime, mechanics etc. it doesn't say anything about someone's performance
chilly brook
Seeing what you can solo tank etc.
wary heath
oh yeah i was just looking at how much the bubble proc'd
chilly brook
The only time I dislike raid tanking is when the group is 75 pulls into a 30 pull boss
keen star
oh yeah i was just looking at how much the bubble proc'd
yea it's like a 3rd trinket
reef haven
30 pull boss probably means 30 pulls for end cutting edge guild
not the average guild
vernal vale
also any tip you guys wanna gib in my logs?
Casts incredibly low across the board
loud patrol
gotta spam more?
reef haven
if your rage builders are always on cooldown and you never cap on rage
vernal vale
gotta spam more?
One moment
reef haven
you are technically doing all the casts you can
chilly brook
30 pull boss probably means 30 pulls for end cutting edge guild
Nah I’m not using CE standards
You can check average pull count across guilds
vernal vale
@loud patrol your casts
reef haven
oh I've never looked at that
vernal vale
@loud patrol my casts
chilly brook
That being said, I was also a CE player
keen star
there's well prepared guilds that raid less, and worse prepared guilds that brute force the raid 4 nights a week
wary heath
57 executes damn
reef haven
oh I execute the shit out of bosses
vernal vale
That being said, I was also a CE player
You go casual now?
chilly brook
Hungering comes to mind back in S1 of SL where my group for some reason just took way too long to kill it
chilly brook
You go casual now?
Ehhh kinda?
vernal vale
Ehhh kinda?
Sad day
reef haven
I still have ptsd from gorefiend mythic in WoD
chilly brook
Stopped playing in s4, coming back but just finally settled on a main
loud patrol
so i gotta abuse more of revenge to get more SS procs
reef haven
my guild just could not get past the dps check
chilly brook
So just a m+ Andy until I find a guild
loud patrol
and more IP
chilly brook
Sad day
I mean I intend to still play at a competent level and get back into mythic again but I’m just not in a huge rush
delicate kraken
did they change d stance again????
vernal vale
so i gotta abuse more of revenge to get more SS procs
Thunderclap resets too your likely just missing the resets
chilly brook
did they change d stance again????
If they did would you notice?
loud patrol
Thunderclap resets too your likely just missing the resets
prob yeah
delicate kraken
If they did would you notice?
Funny number go up down
vernal vale
So just a m+ Andy until I find a guild
Well you know sometimes that's the way it goes. I'm finally in a decent guild.
reef haven
The answer is no because you don’t go into d stance anyways
I felt the need in 14/15
sick sentinel
what food should i be eating buff wise as a prot
chilly brook
My WoW experience since September has been classic @vernal vale
vernal vale
what food should i be eating buff wise as a prot
Strength or haste
sick sentinel
name ?
chilly brook
sick sentinel
whats better tho haste or strength? i have 20% base haste
vernal vale
2,3
chilly brook
I felt the need in 14/15
That makes sense though tbh
vernal vale
Comes with one
wary heath
quality 2, then quality 3 ?
reef haven
yes
wary heath
thx
reef haven
don't do 3 first
vernal vale
My WoW experience since September has been classic <@167799819555831808>
Classic was fun enough I just don't have time.
tender quartz
Holy
chilly brook
Classic was fun enough I just don't have time.
I hardly log on to do anything other than raid night with the bois
tender quartz
Academy Tree Boss CD+Lust on 2nd Set of Adds is such a game changer
reef haven
biggest changer is having a party that stacks the adds
chilly brook
Proper add placement on tree boss is a game changer
reef haven
and that dispell themselves
chilly brook
loud patrol
cant wait til next week
chilly brook
If you stack them your WW can probably solo it while everyone tunnels boss
reef haven
oh, boomies on that fight also wreck it
loud patrol
gonna be ez (not looking at u raging tempest 
)
reef haven
boomies eat those adds alive like they are cereal
chilly brook
ToD does wonders there
I’d imagine DH is also pretty disgusting for cleaning them up
reef haven
boomies destroy it even if they are not stacked
tender quartz
Ney if you CD and Lust on 2nd Adds they disappear, you get the Tree cleanse, Boss dies before 4th Wave comes on 14, just ++'d it.
Literally non-issue
barren copper
Depends of your comp probably
chilly brook
Depends of your comp probably
Regardless of comp they should be stacked well
barren copper
Indeed
reef haven
I hand pick meta comps for my keys everytime, can't help it, I'm a slave
chilly brook
It’s amazing how much extra damage you can find when what’s supposed to be AoE’d is in the right spot
But then again your average key enjoyer just holds w when swirlies show up
That’s why they struggle on the spider boss in the last phase in raid
reef haven
people either don't move too much when they should move, or they move too much when they should not, like with dathea debuff
chilly brook
Yep
reef haven
mfers I swear
fiery python
Hey guys question about the stormslam debuff on the final boss of ruby life pools, does bitter immunity work as a self cleanse on those debuffs?
Or would I require the healer to cleanse those for me
reef haven
what kind of debuff is it again
chilly brook
Just mitigate the hit and vibe is how I’ve been doing the dungies
fiery python
You take 100% more nature damage each time he hits you with storm slam
Idk eventually it did 220k on me in a hit
chilly brook
I’d imagine it can’t be cleansed
reef haven
ye but is it a poison, curse or disease?
chilly brook
Like most tank debuffs
fiery python
Ye idk, I was hoping you guys knew
chilly brook
Let me consult the handy dandy sheet
K so, thank you reflect sheet
TLDR you can block the hit but the magic portion will hit you like a truck if you don’t get a dispel
Doesn’t mention bitter immunity
reef haven
probably can be dispelled by priests
chilly brook
I’d imagine it’s just a magic debuff
chilly brook
All healers
fiery python
Ooh can I see that reflect sheet
chilly brook
Ooh can I see that reflect sheet
It’s in the pins
reef haven
ye duh, had a brain fart, 7 AM... fuck 8 AM here and have been up all night
chilly brook
Google doc link from Sense
fiery python
It’s in the pins
nice ty
reef haven
gonna go sleep and wake up in 4 hours so I don't fuck my schedule entirely, see ya 🥲 fuck adhd
chilly brook
livid aurora
Anyone else exclusively getting shit trinkets?
livid aurora
Good point
chilly brook
On the bright side at least you don’t have to use a mastery trinket with a 1.5 second cast time
livid aurora
That one has dropped three times for me, gave it away every single time
The game checks my gear, sees I have the wrathion neck and cloak and commences to give me those slots and shit trinkets 😂
chilly brook
Pressing it makes me cringe
remote dawn
whats the best m+ trinkets?
livid aurora
At least you don't have to press any other buttons meantime
livid aurora
whats the best m+ trinkets?
remote dawn
rly ? the ruby is bis trinket?