protection

[earnest nymph]

where X = number of gems

kk

that seems pretty decent at even just 3 sockets but will wait for @strong forum to tell me I'm dumb

[lyric geode]

One question. Now in which key difficulty you get the portals? At 20s like before or it is increased its key.

[earnest nymph]

20s

[lyric geode]

Ah ok

[earnest nymph]

but the scaling between key levels is higher than it used to be also

[lyric geode]

I see that as well.

15s feel like 17-18s back in SL.

[earnest nymph]

it's also fort/raging out of the gate so take with a grain of salt

[small coral]

Yo that ish hurts

[strong forum]

Next week is going to be so dumbfuck chill for tanks

No fort, no raging

Literally just cruisin

[earnest nymph]

it's going to be such a wild swing

[vapid mountain]

next week half the instances on 18+ are undoable becaue of tyrannical grievous

[lyric geode]

Next week afflix?

[vital sinew]

absent healer affix

[strong forum]

Tyr grievous bursting I think

So ultra cancer week for healers

[small coral]

Next week problem gonna be bad dps on tyr bosses

[lyric geode]

So should I also buy some fingers for the healers as well?

[shut flare]

what gems shoul use for 3 slot lariat? haste verse?

[lyric geode]

From Plka

[shut flare]

thank you

[fading tide]

Why mastery and not vers

[lyric geode]

No idea.

[toxic pewter]

Don’t the gems with hate/crit make more sense over just haste

[limpid anchor]

Bcs he didn’t use a missive for a higher chance of higher quality I assume

[zenith vale]

finally they hardnerfed us in PvP

6th nerf

Im so sad

Prot War DF pvp was the most balanced tank and the coolest in gameplay

great dmg great peel no MS a shield vs physical but paper vs magic

[proud dock]

wat lvl keys u guys pulling out def stance?

[lyric geode]

We switch defensive/battle whenever we feel comfortable with the dmg taken

The higher the keys the less chance for us to use battle stance.

[bright lion]

does anybody have the stance swap macro handy?

[lyric geode]

I use my 2 mouse buttons

[lusty narwhal]

Allied Wrists of Companionship or Infurious Helmet of Vengeance?

[long stone]

helm if

[unreal lily]

How does recrafting work? If I use my spark to make a piece of gear without a matrix to bring it up to a higher level can I have it have recrafted at a later time without losing the spark when I get a matrix?

[compact dove]

/cast [nostance:1] Defensive Stance; Battle Stance

[eager schooner]

temple can fuck right off, holy

[lavish oracle]

How good's the Nokhud weapon?

[strong forum]

dps main

[craggy pilot]

are there any good Tank loot spec trinkets we need from M+ currently? 🤔 or can i swap to Arms loot spec if i have Shield+1h crafted

[strong forum]

plkas gear is primed around being a dps main for raid

therefor youre gonna see some unusual stats for a protection warrior until hes finished progress

[shut flare]

i cant enter any dungeons. it gets stuck on the loading screen with the loading bar @ 0% then goes back outside the dungeon. anyone experience this?

[strong forum]

maybe you reached instance cap?

or its a freshly boosted character?

[shut flare]

it's a freshly transfered character liek yesterday

but i was able to enter dungeons a few times

but now i cannot at all

[strong forum]

does the chat give any message

[royal coral]

yes, spark/chaos u only need first craft - recraft is like half mats for the alloy

[shut flare]

teleportation aborted

it says

[strong forum]

if its says "instance not found" it means its on blizzards end

probably overloaded

[shut flare]

tried switching to my other character and it cannot enter too

[blazing condor]

tried disabling addons?

can be something there that's fucking with it

[shut flare]

yes i did

i deleted interface, cache, and wtf folder

entered and still cant enter

[blazing condor]

idk if you can still run the repair thing from folders

other than that idk

[reef haven]

Yo, are people using defensive or battle stance on 15s?

[restive cypress]

You switch between them depending on how hard you're getting trucked

[reef haven]

ye thats obvious, sorry about the dumb question

[restive cypress]

but I'd wager you'd be using Def Stance far more than Battle in >15s

specially on Fort/Raging weeks where shit just rams you hard

[covert topaz]

Going to be crafting a 1h wep with my primal, what embel do you guys think is the best to put on?

[craggy pilot]

Fang, or none

or the food thing

[toxic pewter]

Yah fang pretty much best one as far as I know

[covert topaz]

Rgr that thanks!

[craggy pilot]

but fang is only if you dont want 2 other embellish

you can remove Fang later anyway tho

[toxic pewter]

Is that potion extender one looking to be any good

[craggy pilot]

probably if you chug a lot of Combat Potions

anyone following the Echo RWF currently?

[dull saddle]

which slots are we using tier pieces on? head, legs, chest, shoulder?

[craggy pilot]

+gloves

[median tulip]

Head, Shoulders and Legs have got Haste on, so those for sure. Probaly Gloves for the 4th piece, so you can get a Haste Chest from elsewhere. I would think, anyway.

[reef spindle]

For us without trinket from first boss(Raid), is Granyth's Enduring Scale from Nokhud a good alternativ ? 🙂

[south venture]

hey guys is there a macro how to switch fast between battle stance and defensive?

[median tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/check-the-pins-kowalski-penguin-gif-20219688

[south venture]

oh sorry but tyvm

[swift atlas]

hey dudes, which buff do u use on the primal ritual shell ? thanks.

[severe steeple]

am i missing smth on ruby life pools? on first boss these guys stunned the whelps where they spawned and did not let them come to boss for cleave

[wispy canopy]

Fire

[inner halo]

if haste is best stat, why are people gemming vers/haste and not pure haste gems for the most?

[loud patrol]

imagine not timing a +10 nokhud cuz i step on a rock and blizzard decided i had to fall and aggro some bs

that final part is pure bs

[craggy pilot]

anyone know if the Raging Storm set works in dungeons?

[exotic drift]

best crafted piece for warriors atm?

prot*

[craggy pilot]

anything youre lacking rly

all of them are good

[inner halo]

is the engineer bracers w/ b rez a smart move over making a weapon if i am focusing on muythic plus and not raiding?

[craggy pilot]

doubt it, since you probably always build grp with CR

[spare crescent]

any difference between primal molten longsword vs the primal molten mace?

[fading tide]

Can u actually b rez someone while tanking?

[bright lion]

ty

[fading tide]

Anyone have a tank tip for the first boss of azure vault?

[inner halo]

if haste is best stat, why are people gemming vers/haste and not pure haste gems to get the most hate possible

[loud patrol]

1. haste has a soft cap of 30%

2. we also need vers

[inner halo]

gotcha, thanks

[bitter coral]

is all totem of the master trinket good on prot

[loud patrol]

its bis

[jagged pier]

haste doesnt have a cap hard or soft

[loud patrol]

dont you get diminishing returns from haste at 30%?

[jagged pier]

every stat does that doesnt mean u stop getting it at 30%

u usually do that at 40%

[urban portal]

Haste has a soft at 100% and hard at whatever you computer can handle

[inner halo]

why are people gemming vers/haste and not pure haste then?

[cinder storm]

Sure, I've done it a bunch of times, just wait for a downtime, stun and leap to the body

[thin silo]

More stats > one stat

[jagged pier]

because the double stat gems are more stats overall

and more stats are better then less best stats

[inner halo]

sorry, i meant why are they doing more vers than haste gems. why not haste primary and ver secondary

[cinder storm]

It's pretty straightforward, place the boss so you can get the pillars where there's less people, destroy pillars with AOE, kill adds and careful with ground when they die

[jagged pier]

i dunno i dont have a single vers gem

🤷

[cinder storm]

I would only go haste first

[edgy grail]

You cant block dodge or parry while casting afaik

[static aspen]

what our best 2 embellishments we are aiming for raiding? like the best two people will go, neck and what? belt with fire ring? Or maybe wrist for versa

pins suggest various, but there should be the best one

[edgy grail]

There are all about 1% damage

So the “best” one is like 0.2% better

[cinder storm]

The embellishments should give a glow or something, so we can just say, whichever color you prefer

[earnest canyon]

Primary haste doesn’t proc haste on lariat
Secondary haste does

Maybe that’s the reason

[inner halo]

i didn

t know that, def why i bet

[mighty sand]

Does trash in temple hit harder than other places or am I squishy?

Felt fine in 15 SMBG

go into Temple and bird killed me

then the little sha things before last boss killed me again

[onyx kayak]

Same dude, sadge

[dull saddle]

makes sense, thanks

[brave tapir]

best way to answer these type of questions is always to log yourself and compare it to another one of your keys or someone elses

this week, my only problem is when we don't have a disenrage and the mob has some sort of buff on it

[unreal lily]

So when you recraft something do you reuse the mats or do you have to buy new mats and can recrafting be done through the crafting order system?

[wary heath]

Re use

Plus a few extra

[unreal lily]

Ok so it makes sense to buy the top quality mats right off the bat?

[mighty sand]

Logging would work, it felt much harder, but had a different healer

[wary heath]

Top quality mats. Effect only the crafter and difficulty to craff

Craft

[mighty sand]

IDK how to see what other tanks are taking in a similar dungeon because every grp is different

[brave tapir]

go check someone else log on wclog for the smae class and the same dungeon, shouldn't be too hard

[unreal lily]

So it doesn't result in getting a better item level?

[brave tapir]

if you are playing prot, there is hundreds of those

[wary heath]

Item level is up to the crafter skill. Just buy tier 3 unless they specifically say it's not needed

[unreal lily]

Ok thank you

[median tulip]

Temple has several semi-mini-bosses that hit hard. Just try not to pull more than one, and cooldown the tricky ones. The last trash pull before the final boss is spicy.

[mighty sand]

Any way to avoid the shadow claws?

[main locust]

Has anyone crafted the Frostfire belt? How much dmg are we looking at throughout a dungeon?

[sick sentinel]

Does anyone have a JC on their server that can make Fierce Illimited Diamond 3 star that I can send a work order to?

[dull saddle]

raid chest too

[median tulip]

Not avoid AFAIK, but Spell Reflect's DR should help. Those pulls are some of the few I DStance for

[median tulip]

That would be a good piece to substitute for Tier,

[mighty sand]

Ok, thanks Zetakya, hit those, main spec is fury so I'm gemmed and enchanted more mastery I'll make sure to time SR DR to fill out there.

[median tulip]

TBH those Sha mobs remind me of the skeletons in DOS in SL; the shadow damage melee attack that hits hard is very similar

[raw parcel]

I have a 382 Lifeflame Ampule
https://www.wowhead.com/item=198451/lifeflame-ampoule?bonus=7935
And a 372 Frenzing Signoll Flare with +leech
https://www.wowhead.com/item=193672/frenzying-signoll-flare?bonus=7974

As a tank, which should I utilize?

[oblique drift]

Is keystone guru completely accurate? I feel like I'm going crazy and that it undervalues the % mobs give

[lyric geode]

2400 rating

What keys are about??

[wary heath]

I dont like guru

Community sourced routes

[static aspen]

any rares that drop shield?

that is easy farmable

[thin silo]

Gnarls

[lyric geode]

Guys, 2400 rating, what key lvl you should have done to achieve it?

[oblique garnet]

next week

[broken moon]

hey guys going through the talent tree and wouldnt Bloodborne be a dps increase to Tough as Nails?

[frosty mango]

smbg isnt even a real dungeon

TOJS has a lot of avoidable mechs you can los

and should - tidal burst, the other elemental one I can't recall at the time

[oblique garnet]

tidal burst is kickable

[frosty mango]

yeah but you also want to kick hydrolances so it's easer to have your dps just duck and los it

so you can kick all the lances

[oblique garnet]

no

the lances do basically nothing until raging

[wicked fossil]

Tru

[mellow quartz]

You lose so much dps if you try and LOS tidal bursts

[frosty mango]

no you don't, the dps never need to stop dpsing if you position the mobs correctly

[mellow quartz]

Just stun the cast

[wicked fossil]

Also with aoe kick, reflect and healer kick you can probably kick everything

[tired pivot]

what trinkets are we looking to find?

[drifting juniper]

does this expansion feel a bit pay to win to you guys or is it just me

the gap between tryhards and casuals seems a bit bigger to me

[loud patrol]

man when do we get plate bikinis

one on my tauren

[deft hazel]

tried a 10 smbg people love running away with the thundering affix getting me stunned

no iterrupts

[mighty valley]

Last expansion had legendaries as a mandatory purchase for every character, this season only feels expensive if you have insane week 1 fomo

[deft hazel]

standing in every rune possible spawning in those death blast mobs

[mighty valley]

Shadowmoon is gonna be so free once people are playing it right

But yeah there are some issues right now lol

Also the first boss is so visually unclear

Real stupid

[oblique garnet]

go to the runes on the inner circle

outer circle doesnt work

[floral river]

Go to the very obvious moon runes

[deft hazel]

idk i meant the runes that spawn mobs on 2nd boss

just runs all over them

[floral river]

that's a brain issue

[deft hazel]

[mighty valley]

It really seemed like the designers were screaming “run to one of the few runes that glows bright white”

but no, it’s little moons

[deft hazel]

idk this group thought they can pull on there own i guess then wipe us because they dont know how to interrupt

its okay, not my key, also i wont be dead you will be tho

[wraith hemlock]

Bigger how?

It was the same in SL and legendaries. People who rushed the leggo base item to rank 4 were coated in gold for a while

[mighty valley]

People running ahead of the tank on quaking week are annoying

[deft hazel]

[cedar vapor]

Any of you sexy prot warriors wanna do a 17 RLP on NA 🙂

[valid heart]

Hey guys. I checked the wowhead prot guide and they recomend the infurious helm, but very few have learned this recipe yet. Is there any reason why we cant just craft any other piece with the same embilishment?

[drifting juniper]

pay to win doesnt have to be only gold but even lets talk about gold

enchants, flasks and gems are much higher impact and much more expensive

and i dont approve of this new raid system, every damn guild has priority of who gets the loot

results are many people with huge fully enchanted gear 4 set doing keys and i'm 387

i dont agree with you saying the gap was this big with shadowland legendaries

also if they wanted this xpansion to revolve around profession they should have fixed the exploits surrounding it

there are so many exploits regarding knowledge its crazy

[mighty valley]

yeah would’ve been nice

but it’s week one, everything will even out

just play with people with normal brains, there’s no need to dump gold into optimal everything unless you’re trying to be the first in the world to do shit

[drifting juniper]

sad fact is people who knew about the knowledge exploit at first week are piling hoards of gold upon gold while rest of us thought knowledge has weekly cap

he is exalted with artisian consortium and is getting 1m fee per 418 rouge dagger with embelishment

[mighty valley]

so? there’s always AH sickos with billions of gold

[floral river]

lol who is paying 1M?

[frosty mango]

🫠

[wraith hemlock]

There was nowhere stated it had a weekly cap

[mighty valley]

i hope they fix loopholes for sure but prices will level out when more normal people catch up

[floral river]

For "normal people" a 418 weapon is not going to be a thing

[drifting juniper]

how much knowledge can you get per week

[mighty valley]

also as people play more crafting won’t be the only source of decent gear, no one’s gonna pay out the ass for a weapon when they can get something nearly comparable in their vault

[wraith hemlock]

Giving in your guild, who is supposed to be a coordinated group with a goal, the tier and gear to whom will benefit the most of it is the smart thing to do. If you want to be an entitled player who only cares for getting all the loot then you can pug your raids or make ur own guild for that

[wraith hemlock]

As much as you get from item drops. Explorers bags, dirts, drops from mobs, etc.

[drifting juniper]

that has a cap

if you didnt know

and i tell you it has a weekly cap because you have weekly quest and people who unlearn their proffesion last week and this week and got new proffesion to level 25 to get mettle and artisian rep are exploiting the system

and you can see the results in the economy

[wraith hemlock]

I'm not talking about the weekly quest but okay

[drifting juniper]

Wowhead stated that in dragon flight it is supposed to take time for each proffesion under artisian consurtium guide, so it should take you a decent 2 or 3 months to get exalted even with contract

[mighty valley]

All the other sources of knowledge do have a hidden cap, you can’t just get infinite knowledge drops

[drifting juniper]

Rabin my friend, you get around 6 from weekly another 6 from drops and 1 draconic knowledge from M+ or rare

[wraith hemlock]

I've had no issue with the knowledge and havent used the exploit

[drifting juniper]

what do you mean issue, how many knowledge do you have

[wraith hemlock]

🤷‍♂️ I'm 300 miles from my pc to log in and check, sorry mate

[mighty valley]

yes it’s annoying there’s an exploit, but other people having lots of money doesn’t have to ruin your game experience unless you let it

[drifting juniper]

as i said this season gold has huge impact on the classes that had problem being invited, and at early points in my arguement i said it too its not only the gold, if the game adds too many factors that divides people the pug is going to be more toxic that it already is

if i buy a raid boost right now with 5 m gold, i can get 4 piece

guranteed

[oblique garnet]

if you get good rng sure

[wraith hemlock]

Or... You could make your own group and stop bitching about it

[floral river]

if you're having a problem getting invited, use your key

[mighty valley]

they’re not going to design the game for the top end of elitist pug weirdos

[drifting juniper]

you sure you wanna take this tone with me

while i havent disrespected you

[floral river]

Dad voice

[wraith hemlock]

Lol

[steady steppe]

[wraith hemlock]

You are literally crying about people not inviting you to play in an online video game because you don't put enough effort.

And then you get all condescending?

Kek

[floral river]

also, who tf are you asking to join?

[drifting juniper]

i am in a warrior channel in that said video game, and i have the right to discuss it, what is not ok tho is you replying to me from your high horse as if you achieved anything in this game

[jagged pier]

people

[floral river]

who tf is not inviting someone without tier WEEK 1

[wraith hemlock]

Lol

[drifting juniper]

i can talk about anything game related here as long as moderators tell me not to

[jagged pier]

u can take this convo to DMs

and stop it in here

[floral river]

I'm cool

[slim dove]

give to your DH and make his day

[drifting juniper]

if you cannot even see the problems of the system partially like this statement right here

[drifting juniper]

s

why do you even comment on it

[valid heart]

Hey guys, i will ask my question again if anyone can offer any input. I checked the wowhead prot guide and they recomend the infurious helm, but very few have learned this recipe yet. Is there any reason why we cant just craft any other piece with the same embilishment?

[floral river]

you cannot put that embel. on any other piece

[wraith hemlock]

Some gear has specific embellishment unique to them

[valid heart]

oh... i thought that embel was simply armor spike

[wraith hemlock]

Like the lariat

No

[valid heart]

Well then i am stupid, thanks for clearifying 🙂

[wraith hemlock]

There is regular spark gear and already embellished gear

You can add embellishment like armor spikes or the potion thing to non-embellished spark created gear

Not stupid, just didn't know

[valid heart]

But does that mean that BIS gear will probably be that head + neck? then get sword/shield from m+/raid

[wraith hemlock]

Bear in mind right now we can only have 2 embellished equipment right now

Not really

[valid heart]

Or do people think wep + wep embel will be better end game

[wraith hemlock]

It depends on the content available to you

[floral river]

idk if head since it's a tier slot

[wraith hemlock]

The general recommendation for all classes right now is to avoid crafting tier slots

Right now we can make 2 spark related items but we will be getting more of those

[tired pivot]

I don't raid mythic so I made myself a shield

it is up to what you need

[wraith hemlock]

You could have Sam entire set made of those later on

[upbeat pine]

do u know some addon/weak aura or macro to show second tank bar and his target? Maybe Shadowed UF has this option but I do not see where. I have a lot of problems when I need to swap with second tank on bosses in Vault

[fading tide]

I made the shield also but I’m confused how to increase the ilvl of it through crafting

[mellow pollen]

How good is Kul'Tiran passive for prot? It seems really good

[dense coyote]

Its not like we should replace the worst parts of our gear with Items from Spark?

Like obviously neck is amazing but other parts

[floral river]

you can't refund a spark, so do it at your own risk

[dense coyote]

Im not sure cause most of top m+ players have neck+weapon

But naowh have belt without neck and even without finger with fire dmg

[floral river]

neck is not that insane, it's good but not as good

[weary python]

Submit a recraft order

[weary python]

Not as good as what

[floral river]

as it was

You can also sim this stuff on raidbots

[weary python]

Well yeah, it was nerfed. By definition it's not as good as it was

[dense coyote]

As guide says, 4 best Items arę neck,1h,shield and head

[floral river]

what if I told you, there are people who don't even know it was nerfed

[topaz leaf]

i cant find any information about adornments, have sims started to point to a preferred one?

[craggy pilot]

they are all incredibly close, so its personal preference

[tender cove]

I know its under pvp comments but how do you think that will affect PVE going forward?
"Developers’ note: Protection Warriors are continuing to deal more damage than we would like even after recent adjustments. In some cases, we’ve observed them competing with damage-dealing specializations, so we’re making additional targeted adjustments on Shield Slam and Rend."

[slim dove]

primal ritual shell (379) or bushwackers compass (376) ?

[floral river]

shell is p good

[smoky pollen]

Primal ritual shell

[slim dove]

with fire i presume

[winged cobalt]

emb. spikes or fang?

[smoky pollen]

I’d say at this time fire is preferable - if you are pushing high or noticing yourself spiking more it might be worth swapping to earth

[winged cobalt]

ive read spikes are best but seen a lot of poeple using fang

[wide charm]

What have you guys used your sparks on ? neck and shield ?

[slim dove]

dope ty, fire for now

[slim dove]

yup, thats what i did

[floral river]

idk if spikes are best, they do like ~1% of my overall in m+ (which is the intent)

[craggy pilot]

every embellish is about 1%

so its the same if you do Fangs or Spikes probably

just depends what item you wanna make

[floral river]

Yeah, spikes could fuck you too if you dps offspec

[loud patrol]

wtb brains

[craggy pilot]

well Fang would too, since its on 1h

[loud patrol]

so i can give them to my pugs

[floral river]

SMF gamer

[craggy pilot]

[floral river]

by that I mean I get sat

[loud patrol]

plate rogue

[craggy pilot]

lul

[floral river]

yeah, double commission fang daggers

[loud patrol]

true spec

[floral river]

can't believe they sat me smh

some people will never get it

[slim dove]

invited a 1100 lock

didnt inspect

is destro

did 15k overall

????

[floral river]

owned

[slim dove]

baited hard

when tank does 3x ur dam idk time to think about your life

[loud patrol]

man every priest healer i have invited has dissapointed me

[slim dove]

every priest has been a total chad

10-15k overall dps

nobody even comes close to dying

[loud patrol]

but tbf my dps were braindead

[floral river]

I don't even look at number, I just look at their highest +'d key for that dg

[slim dove]

every prevoker doesnt realize they have a fucking AOE SOOTHE

LIKE COME ON

READ YOUR TALENTS

[chilly brook]

Not for me unfortunately

[loud patrol]

i was in a CoS and they werent los the fel detonation

[floral river]

simply live through it

[loud patrol]

bold of you to think furries can read

[chilly brook]

Then again I’m playing BrM so maybe it’s a monk problem

But I’ve had a few that kinda scare me

[pallid quiver]

Healers Tanks adjust

simply CD the enrage

it's that easy

[chilly brook]

Thankfully plenty of CDs as monk

[burnt swallow]

What about nerf incoming ?

[loud patrol]

what nerf?

[chilly brook]

What nerf

[floral river]

I think they should just buff other tanks

[chilly brook]

Tbh

[burnt swallow]

don't know

[chilly brook]

I think people overstate how good prot is

[pallid quiver]

I think they should buff the players of other tank specs

[burnt swallow]

my friend told me

[floral river]

This week has shown me they cannot play for themselves, the NEED a strong leader

[burnt swallow]

oh

nice then

[loud patrol]

i think people read warrior in patch notes and instantly think "nerfs" its PTSD at this point

[chilly brook]

I’ve seen so many prot warriors who literally die so easily

It’s kinda crazy

[floral river]

they said smth about damage or whatever

[tender cove]

Prot got pvp nerfs

[pallid quiver]

The main times I've died have been in, uh, Temple

[floral river]

literally just block and ignore pain

[chilly brook]

Watched a warrior die several times in m0 algethar

[floral river]

temple sucks, how in the WORLD was that not nerfed yet?

[pallid quiver]

because i missed a haunting sha was still alive and he bopped me when i wasn't ready with a cast

[burnt swallow]

Nah man i just start the game at bfa main prot warrior, let me feel like a SL dk pls

[chilly brook]

I’m actually amazed

[pallid quiver]

i died once in m0 algethar

i pulled entire tree room and got clipped by a green swirlie

[chilly brook]

Lol

[pallid quiver]

it was my first time in the dungeon and i was doing so well

[chilly brook]

Fr though I honestly think the whole “prot is S tier” is overstated

[loud patrol]

how

[chilly brook]

If any tank is going to be sleeper OP I’m starting to think it’ll end up being paladin

[pallid quiver]

I really think people need to see good people playing the other tanks

[floral river]

it's good, but if it's really that good; make everyone else good

[chilly brook]

Because I don’t see how it’s amazingly better than other tank specs tbh

[burnt swallow]

i guess not if u play it very well there's many ways to easly tank +17 rn

with 390 ilv

[loud patrol]

no i mean how did the warrior died

[floral river]

depends on key but yeah

[pallid quiver]

BDK's are still great from all I see, Prot's biggest detriment is "People like to play Holy Pal and Ret Pal so they don't bring unique utility as much as other classes" in M+,

[chilly brook]

Oh idk

Not using their buttons prolly

[pallid quiver]

I've seen Prot Wars not press Shield Block

and they'll press IP instead

because it's the better mitigation button???

[floral river]

should have ignored harder

[chilly brook]

I also think people severely underestimate brewmaster atm

So many tools

[burnt swallow]

they removed the freaking group ability of warrior, i mean the wall protecting all raid

sadge

[chilly brook]

Just requires some thought to play

[pallid quiver]

brew's only concern is gonna be in mega keys where other tanks are also going to be worried, I think

[loud patrol]

i see all theres people tanking a +17 but i wanna ask, how tf they find people with brains? every time i get or braindead dps or the healer

[chilly brook]

It’s actually kinda the opposite

[wary heath]

Friends or guildies

[floral river]

yeah, don't pug

[chilly brook]

Monk gets better the more damage is being taken in

Ironically

[loud patrol]

my guildies arent any better

[wary heath]

You can pug up that high but generally not week 1

[chilly brook]

All because you get way more gift of the ox orbs

It’s really weird

[floral river]

I have peaked at 15 with pugs, got a 16 but it was jade so that shit was insta depleted

[wary heath]

I pug all my keys generally but it takes a few weeks for dps and healers to learn dungeons

[slim dove]

the power spike going into next week is huge

• easier affix

[wary heath]

Whereas we learned them months earlier

[noble stratus]

bdks are great

[pallid quiver]

i'm talking the level where DKs risk getting globalled kinda level at this exact moment; Healers may struggle to keep Brews alive through some pulls, but it's still 100% doable from what I'm aware. I think it'd just be harder than playing Prot or something

[noble stratus]

i been maining bdk since the start of df and its very fun

[chilly brook]

Blood has two problems

[pallid quiver]

I don't play Brew enough, though,

nor are those keys in reach of most anyone at the moment, so it's semantics

[wary heath]

I've had BDK off tanks die in raid on me

[pallid quiver]

I do still think people are dooming too hard on Brew

[noble stratus]

hats a big issue blood dks have yeah

[loud patrol]

tell that to the raging tempest with a bad healer

[quartz jackal]

Guys, i saw a prot warrior who had some kind of addon or weakAura that marked every enemy that his route was showing, do you guys know what that might have been?

[uncut notch]

Are we getting stealth buff by the arms exe buff?

[pallid quiver]

BDK has this problem currently where you have to play well

[loud patrol]

no

[noble stratus]

they dont got as much mitigation as a prot warr so u can get DOMED in an instant

[mortal brook]

M+ AUTO MARKER

[uncut notch]

rip

[slim dove]

kek

[chilly brook]

One of which is really more of a playstyle dislike which is just the amount of buff maintenance. The second, and real one, is that you can just die out of nowhere if you misplay or are in a very threatening situation.

[wary heath]

I have the route on my second screen. But once you do it once you won't forget it

Tbh

[loud patrol]

i need that

[mighty valley]

the "prot warriors take zero damage" thing is only true if you know what the enemies do, if you faceroll your rotation only there are still casts that can chunk you

[pallid quiver]

And coming off of S3/S4 BDK, most older BDKs have brain atrophy that prevent them from playing properly and newer BDKs don't know what the hell to do

[mighty valley]

which is partially you and partially group kicks

[floral river]

I just keep MDT open while I play

[chilly brook]

Absolutely, like the 10% DR aura nerf people are like “just bury brew already” and people like Dorki are like “yeah it really surprisingly didn’t hurt brew”

[noble stratus]

wdym

[loud patrol]

i wish it has an overlay in the minimap

[pallid quiver]

i'll interrupting shout the shit out of fear immune mobs, swear on me mum

[jagged pier]

Brew was used in the second timed 20 of DF

its not weak

[wary heath]

Well dorkis content is a mile wide and an inch deep

[floral river]

shocked they don't add a smaller map display that you can have up

[pallid quiver]

BDK was pretty much brain dead to play in S3/S4. You popped DRW and slapped the shit out of heart strike

[chilly brook]

I know it’s not, but uhh community is retarded

[noble stratus]

oh ik i played bdk back in s3/4

[pallid quiver]

you are now pulling mega DPS and are nigh immortal

[mighty valley]

bdk and brew were both pretty braindead in s4

[pallid quiver]

now, you have to, like, stand in D&D, manage stacks properly, build them, etc

[noble stratus]

is it rly that different? i feel p confident

[jagged pier]

well thats i missed the start of the convo if it was someone going brew is garbage just use that fact cause its true

[quartz jackal]

Can you connect taht with MDT?

[pallid quiver]

well it requires you to have had a single thought within the last 10 years to play BDK now

[noble stratus]

LOL

true tho

[chilly brook]

The point was that people who have a relative knowledge of tank specs are like “chill brew isn’t bad lmao”

[noble stratus]

deaths caress being useful for once is a very welcome change tbh

[jagged pier]

just as a point guys looking at IO 5/6 tanks are in the top 11 keys rights

[chilly brook]

Wait you actually press the button now?

[pallid quiver]

I was saying Brew's gonna have a hard playing time in higher keys; I think they're 100% capable, but I feel like effort required is higher. I think the results will be about the same as other tanks, though

[chilly brook]

Effort required is def higher

[noble stratus]

and i even have it on my bars 😏

for ossuary upkeep

[chilly brook]

But you also bring stupidly high damage

[pallid quiver]

Last I checked, it mostly replaced Marrowrend for generating stacks

[noble stratus]

yeah it did

[blazing condor]

this has been asked before but we buy scholar's loop over guardian ring ?

[pallid quiver]

Marrowrend you use to get big burst stacks during DRW and such

[chilly brook]

And while WW is great who knows how it’ll pan out for WW in the coming weeks as keys get higher

Since a lot of WW aoe is ToD

[noble stratus]

ill use marrowrend everysooften if i forgot to top off and let my stacks fall, or if in drw

[pallid quiver]

ah, yes, 3k DPS, the stupidly high damage brew is known for 🙂

I still can't comprehend how that brew was pulling 3k DPS in that pug raid i was in

[noble stratus]

LOL

[chilly brook]

Wut

Was he only auto attacking?

[mellow pollen]

How on earth do people handle the last pack in TotJS? They absolutely shrek me

[noble stratus]

i thought brewbies had great dps!

[pallid quiver]

About half of his DPS was autos, yes

he was in fact, pressing keg smash

I cannot guarantee it was on CD

[silent anchor]

nice proc, bad stats 😦

[heavy temple]

I have a q about tjs.
I try to get a 15 timed, bit the haunting gaze and dark claws fuck me up good. Last try I got ~ 200k dark claws. How do I counter this?

[pallid quiver]

I was busy trying to not get murdered by Terros with like 6-7 stacks

[chilly brook]

Like I don’t even think you can keep up shuffle with only doing 3k dps

[noble stratus]

which 1

[chilly brook]

His poor healers

[fallen pulsar]

Interrupt fear add, AoE stuns, shield wall, pray, kite, love, laugh

[noble stratus]

liu? or the sha

[pallid quiver]

oh he was taking no damage

me on the other hand

[mellow pollen]

3 minions of doubt, 1 haunting sha, 1 big one

Absolute devestation

[pallid quiver]

man those stacks suck

[chilly brook]

Taking no damage because no threat

[pallid quiver]

He physically could not keep aggro after taunting

[noble stratus]

aoe ccs for sure yeh

[mellow pollen]

There is no love or laugh in that pack

[pallid quiver]

i pressed shield slam once and rock man didn't like me again

[chilly brook]

That’s the most infuriating thing as a tank

Is being stuck with a cotank who doesn’t care and doesn’t press buttons

[deft vessel]

I should replace the stat stick, right?

[pallid quiver]

I also generally bring along Spell Block for that specific pack, as well; helps make the Haunting Sha not blast your HP down

[noble stratus]

cant relate because i never raid and only do m+ (i dont have a guild)

[heavy temple]

That's a smart idea

[chilly brook]

Seems like a pretty good stat stick to me

[pallid quiver]

If I'm going with pugs or are just generally not feeling comfortable, I also bring the 2 charges of SW talent instead of The Wall to help pace through the pack

[heavy temple]

I'll try that

[pallid quiver]

Getting at least one of the Haunting Sha down is probs your priority

[heavy temple]

What's sw?

[chilly brook]

But for a real answer on if you should replace, sim yourself

[pallid quiver]

Shield Wall

[heavy temple]

Ah lol

[deft vessel]

yeah I am

[noble stratus]

what would you say to someone who thinks simming is bs?

[pallid quiver]

Getting one of the Haunting Sha down decreases damage on you by a lot, and it also makes it easier to keep interrupts on the fear since there's only one mob you need to interrupt while dodging the purple swirls

[heavy temple]

Thing is, I get slapped 200k by dark claws

[noble stratus]

unrelated question im just curious

[pallid quiver]

They can modify the API themselves if they wish?

They can see how it all works and you can use custom parameters

[noble stratus]

well nah like

the idea of simming being bs

[chilly brook]

Didn’t take Echo a long time to catch up

[noble stratus]

as opposed to testing it all ingame or w/e

[chilly brook]

I mean

Simming is the most efficient way to get an idea

Then verify

[pallid quiver]

I mean

The formulas used in sims are also generally available to players, hence how we get sims and API usage

[heavy temple]

That's what you do in terms of survival

[chilly brook]

Most of the time items like armor and weapons are set in stone, if it’s better in a sim it’ll be better in general. Items like trinkets, those could definitely be played around with depending on fight

[heavy temple]

But dor dps swimming then testing

*for

[pallid quiver]

so like, if they don't believe the sims that way, they can make their own?

and if they don't believe that, the amount of cognitive dissonance is too strong to overcome

because then they're just saying the game is different from the game

[chilly brook]

Math is good

Math doesn’t lie

It’s also a publicly available api so it’s usually peer reviewed

Like you can see exactly what it’s doing or modify it yourself

[pallid quiver]

Listen, I ain't saying the pack doesn't still hurt

but spell reflect, 2 Shield Walls, Shockwave, Spell Block, maybe Last Stand if you need, sniping enemies for Impending Victory resets, all can go a long way

[mighty valley]

It is also legal to go into defensive stance sometimes

We won't tell anyone

[craggy pilot]

how do i see when the Worm inhales in SBG? it doesnt show up as a timer on my BW

[pallid quiver]

If you need it to pull big, adding another few mobs into the mix that won't nuke the party necessarily is a bigger group DPS increase than not going into Defensive Stance

[sweet summit]

i'm using dungeon package weak aura and that shows about everything

[mighty valley]

basically whenever it's done spitting bones it's about to inhale

there's so little uptime on that boss

i do not like

[craggy pilot]

hmm didnt rly wanna install this as its just clutter for DBM... 🤔

[craggy pilot]

if ranged know how to place spitting bones

then you can melee during inhale

[mighty valley]

oh you know they don't

[craggy pilot]

my grp just did ❤️

pugging

and 4 man grp signs up ❤️

[pallid quiver]

Whenever there's a 3 stack or higher trying to sign up for a key, it's either a terrible time or a great time

[neon elk]

Im i supposed to swap to those smaller worms or do i sit on big one in sbg?

[craggy pilot]

they have great knowledge of the dungeon, but low geared healer, and 1 of the DPS a little low

but 4 stack i assume they are on disc, so all good

[craggy pilot]

sit big one

small ones shoot random anyway

[spice shoal]

Quick question about ''rend'' I see alot of people spend a point on it but I see myself use it not that much i apply it by revenge is it that worth speccing in it ?

[pallid quiver]

That's a wild sentence to break down

[craggy pilot]

you spec into it, and then Thunder Clap applies it auto for you

[pallid quiver]

Uh, with Blood and Thunder, TC applies it

So you don't need rend on your bars at all

Revenge applies Deep Wounds, a different bleed entirely

[craggy pilot]

you dont spend Rage on Rend though, which is nice

[spice shoal]

Oh makes sense thanks alot ^^

[pallid quiver]

So you press TC and Revenge and then they go bleed

[heavy temple]

Has anyone a few min to look at log for me?

[pallid quiver]

If you post it, I can try and take what I can from it. Mentally distracted, but I am free

[slim dove]

if you recraft a neck piece with added sockets, do you lose those sockets on the new item?

[marsh forge]

No

[slim dove]

ty

[obtuse charm]

Am I the only one that gets destroyed in ruby life pools? It feels like everything just slams me for half my health.

[mighty valley]

it's definitely one of the toughest, there's only two timed RLPs in the top 100

[pallid quiver]

No, it's a common struggle point if you're talking the area before second boss

[marble cipher]

gonna go out on a limb and say that this is a total crap trinket right?

[pallid quiver]

Especially if you have a friend dragon come in

[obtuse charm]

I see, thanks for the input.

[sterile isle]

read few guides and still cant decide

could yoyu recomend enchant for wep?

for m+

[blazing condor]

my 346 version of that ones does 500 dps a dungeon, its not terrible

[pallid quiver]

Sim between Sophic Dev and Frozen Dev

Usually Sophic should win out

but Nome's found some times with stat spreads or lower stats than Frozen Dev pulls more

[sterile isle]

so sophic should be better investment with stats improvment in time

[pallid quiver]

Unless there's another wonky situation

Just hit sims and check; you can make the only variation which enchant you're using

[craggy pilot]

is Shield of Light blockable? 🤔

[brave portal]

Hey, do any of you take Piercing Howl? I'm trialling it in mythic and I'm enjoying it immensely.

[pallid quiver]

It's not a default or first pick for me

I generally don't find a need to kite, so

[brave portal]

Also, I've seen some people have sidearm, isn't that an arms talent?

[pallid quiver]

Sidearm's in the class tree

[brave portal]

It doesn't need arms as a specialisation to proc?

[severe steeple]

on court is enforcer supposed to spawn again right where you fight the miniboss? it happened 3 times back to back in a key

[craggy pilot]

how do people survive Hyrja: Shield of Light on higher keys?

just pop Spell Reflect + some IP?

[craggy pilot]

no, it procs on Auto attacks

[urban portal]

The whole point of the class tree, is so the class can use it

Whether it’s better for a certain spec is a different question

[brave portal]

Excellent, thank you.

[sweet summit]

is this the HoV light frontal

boss or add?

[remote dawn]

whats better crafted shield with temp/ves or the crafted shield crit/mast with vers procc?

[sweet summit]

you can block it with spell block yeah

[sick sentinel]

there arent builds that take spell block for keys right? like in the pins i would say

[uneven mason]

Nom slumming with method

[tender cove]

Speaking about gearing your tanks last? Naowhs warrior is 4 ilvls above anyone else in the guild xD

He's also using avoidance above leech enchants? Isn't that bit odd?

[sweet summit]

you just swap tough as nails for shield block when you need it

[slim dove]

spell block for tjsp is big

[sweet summit]

huge in temple

big fan

[obtuse charm]

temple is big scary without it

[sudden osprey]

as a baby prot whos just stepping into 10+ content with freinds, only time i thought man i need spell block was those nutty sha pulls

[sick sentinel]

spell block pyroblast does sound handy

[uneven mason]

You can't heal death

[tender cove]

ok? So a random chance at avoiding a hit is preventing you from dying? I'd argue you have far bigger issues if thats the case 😛

[edgy bone]

what does this trinket act ually do

[sweet summit]

avoidance is reduced damage from abilities can can hit multiple players

[blazing condor]

do we just hard cc the lashers in academy or? how we do with high ass stacks

[uneven mason]

Avoidance is dr vs ae

[sweet summit]

for example the tank frontal on kurog, even if it only hits you you still have avoidance damage reduction

[sick sentinel]

avoidance is a DR to AOE shit on the grond, or arcane explosion

last i check

[brave tapir]

ppm that spawns a whelp (guardian) that helps you, it deals a fair bit of dmg and heal allies, it's a good trinket

[sweet summit]

on tree boss or what

[slim dove]

its meh

[fast knot]

Your dps should be cooldowns on 2nd group instead of off the rip

[brave tapir]

in m+ it's good?

[lost lark]

yo is there like a bis list of trinkets?

[uneven mason]

This

[slim dove]

pins has guides with list of trinkets.

[fast knot]

Assuming they didn't and are pepega you can Bitter Immunity as a saver if you don't have cleanse

[sweet summit]

you still want to kill the first set

[fast knot]

for sure

[marble cipher]

on second "burst forward" then or?

[slim dove]

yes?

[sweet summit]

having everyone hold dps for 2nd set is a waste

[fast knot]

but blowing coolies on first set and having nothing for 2nd is usually a death sentence in pugs

[slim dove]

thanks for linking me a screencap of the wowhead guide.

[brave tapir]

no problem 🙃

[fast knot]

then again our dps can cleave innately and get adds down 🤷‍♀️

also comes down to group CC options to stop stack growth

[floral river]

just get a dh

[blazing condor]

yea

[sweet summit]

need to get dispelled, hard CC does help reducing incoming stacks for sure

[fast knot]

Having everyone stacked on you also helps

having ranged in literal Kansas kind of fucks you over

[uneven mason]

Basically required

[fast knot]

Always a hunter I swear to god

[slim dove]

mage puts rune of power down in narnia

gets mad when i run boss ontop of him

[fast knot]

If they don't come to you bring the world to them

[blazing condor]

idk im playing with pepega team

we cant kill it rn

dunno if its damage on ads or not

[sweet summit]

what are you dying to

[marble cipher]

is it ideal to have everyone stacked pinpoint on tank and then go clockwise (or counter) when it's below your feet?
Cause it damages when the emerge puddles pop right?

[sweet summit]

yep

[blazing condor]

just getting ran down

[sweet summit]

by what

[blazing condor]

ads ig

idrk havent done this a lot

[sweet summit]

ur not helping :/

are you dying or the dps or the healer

[blazing condor]

sry : (

dps + healers first

then me

[sweet summit]

to what

are the dps and healer dying to

[blazing condor]

just burst forth n shit

[sweet summit]

you want to be as healthy as possible and use defensive/rally/healer cooldown for that

if you can't do that you can't kill the boss

[blazing condor]

think it was just damage issue

and stacking issue

ads and pods didnt die fast enough so they started overlapping

on the attempts where they died fast the stacks wasn't an issue

[sweet summit]

idk how to explain it properly
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1681767230?t=01h23m03s this is how we did our demon weekly no leaver

[solemn current]

You keeping your shield block up the entire time? Clearing your bleed on the branch’s green circle when it dies?

[blazing condor]

yep

[blazing condor]

will check thank

[jolly granite]

When using the ruby whelp shell and having noone in target, I`m gonna activating the secondary stat procc?

Okay works nevermind

[oak echo]

The most important thing besides stacking for the adds is getting in the circle the tree add leaves behind. Heals you and clears the bleed.

Otherwise your healer is behind the entire rest of the fight

[blazing condor]

yeah we lowered and it went fine

i get the fight but we just didnt do it properly

better luck next time

[severe steeple]

also depleted a 14 academy cause of this

rest of run went pretty fast

[outer thorn]

Is it best to target yourself or an enemy with ruby whelp shell?

[quartz mist]

worth crafting the BS shield or just farm azure vault ? rocking a 372 still

[limpid anchor]

Did you lust on tree?

and use bitter

[grave wedge]

Think 370 is to low to pug a 10 Ruby Life Pools?

[craggy pilot]

can anyone make me a TLDR of how COS works? 🤔 dont really understand the miniboss tech

[mighty ferry]

is there a list for all the things we can spell reflect in df dungeons and raid?

[craggy pilot]

[limpid anchor]

Nah, did 13s on my alt with 370-375

[limpid anchor]

What exactly? You kill the enforcer or u use an item(basket, healer tbing, trap) to summon an mini boss

You kill mini boss

Repeat

3x, the kill boss

[craggy pilot]

so each enforcer gets sent a miniboss 🤔 are the enforcers random spawns or something?

[limpid anchor]

Yes kinda

1 is active in the map

Kill it, another spawns

On 4? Fixed positions

The use items are random tho

[craggy pilot]

so i guess making a route for COS is not totally possible?

[blazing condor]

nah didnt run bitter for that run

maybe worth considering

[limpid anchor]

Nah not totally, but having an outline and then adjusting with 1-2 pulls

[strong orchid]

You can for sure. But you just have to watch the mid pulls to not over pull. And some of those mobs are nasty.

Lots of pats too

[craggy pilot]

such a weird dung for M+

anyone have a fairly simple route for it?

[steady steppe]

the amout of rp is stupid

[strong orchid]

It’s so RNG based… and a ton of RP

[craggy pilot]

feel like the RP in Halls is worse :<

[limpid anchor]

Can’t link but wow head should have some pug route

[fallen pulsar]

Just bring a demon hunter for that last bit of guessing game RP makes it so much faster

[strong orchid]

Or icy veins I think has some

[strong orchid]

How does DH make it easier? Whaaat is this magic?!

[fallen pulsar]

Doesnt spectral sight let you see the demon

[steady steppe]

yea

[strong orchid]

Oh wtf so you can skip with it?

[steady steppe]

once u talk to the 5 people

DH can see the imposter

[fallen pulsar]

You can find them instantly more or less

[strong orchid]

Wow. That’s wild.

Appreciate that insight

[steady steppe]

i invited DH for my key and he went AFK at that part of the dungeon

[fallen pulsar]

Oof

[craggy pilot]

something like this?

how do i get from Pull 16(17) to 18 🤔 will i not pull the boss if i walk in front of it?

[limpid anchor]

You prob pulling the pack above the first pillar

[steady steppe]

17 gets pulled when u kill the enforcer

[limpid anchor]

Same with the pack in the house o n the second pillar

[lyric elm]

nope, you can walk at the edge

[craggy pilot]

ah ok thx

just gotta care for the pat i guess

[lyric elm]

oh you mean the enforcer, yea you need to kill enforces to kill the mini bosses

you never go to where 17 is there and pull

[fast knot]

or force spawn them with event

[craggy pilot]

no-no i get that, thats why i said 16/17

[limpid anchor]

Also, doesn’t that over cap %?

Looks like a lot

[craggy pilot]

the route i linked is 102%

194/190

its Basic COS by Dratnos 😄

[dusk hinge]

hey warriors, im playing vdh and im doing 11s 12s with 380gs and im feeling a bit too squishy, does anyone has nearly same gs in those keys and can tell me how tanky a prot feels ?

[fast knot]

yeah this is no rogue skip route

[steady steppe]

the route on icyveins is working for me

[lyric elm]

this is 100%

https://i.imgur.com/6hRWF3n.png

[limpid anchor]

All feel around the same, vdh usually are just bad players

[fast knot]

Vdh also survives with more mobs around

which this week means dead dps because of mongo brain

[craggy pilot]

but it kills only 2 enforcers?

[fast knot]

You force spawn

with RP event

[lyric elm]

its not listed

[craggy pilot]

? but then it is more than 100%

[lyric elm]

oh. does enforces give forces?

[fallen pulsar]

I feel much squishier when nobody in my group is interrupting and feel way less squishy when they do

[lyric elm]

then its over yes

[craggy pilot]

enforcer is 5%

[limber galleon]

👆

[lyric elm]

oh man ok

[sullen patio]

I guess i am missing something, but how do u play the last pack in tojs? These claws just hit me sometimes for 250-300k.

[lyric elm]

you die

[craggy pilot]

but i guess this is why

the route you linked is reactive

feel like i need to try the dung a few more times before i start relying on reactive route

[limpid anchor]

I lust, pop everything, then kite

[craggy pilot]

kite kite kite

[slim dove]

spell reflect, spell block

[craggy pilot]

shockwave

kite some more

[slim dove]

you can reflect all 3 on the same reflect if your smart.

[dusk hinge]

oh okay I thought with def stance pwar feels immortal, cuz im thinking about rolling to a pwar. What about tank difficulty? is pwar easier than vdh ?

[lyric elm]

this is the hardest pack in the game btw

[slim dove]

naw

just a skill check for tank

[limpid anchor]

You actually play spell block?

[fallen pulsar]

D stance and shield wall, AoE stun more than once, kite

[slim dove]

for temple yes

[fallen pulsar]

Don’t get feared

[limpid anchor]

Guess I’m trying that next time

[lyric elm]

i play both and i think prot is braindead

[errant birch]

Dont you hate it, when theres a juicy spell to reflect it gets kicked ;-;

[slim dove]

i verbally abuse my DH over voice when he does this

(friends for 10 years dont @ me)

[errant birch]

xD

Im so pissed

[slim dove]

hey bro i got reflect

kicks

...

[errant birch]

in SBG some casters hit like 200k bolts

[fast knot]

My group soothes Dark Claw as I reflect

[errant birch]

lemme reflect

[slim dove]

i reflected 3x 400k dark claws yesterday

[fast knot]

I've aged like five years in this week of keys

[slim dove]

i nutted irl and ingame

[errant birch]

im 1517 rio atm ;-;

save me

[lyric elm]

dont worry, tyrannical grievous next

truly a relaxing environment

[fast knot]

I don't care, that's a healer problem

[lyric elm]

trueee

[fast knot]

This week is no double pulls because I'm going to get absolutely smashed by no kick no CC andys

that pull 30k

[sick sentinel]

never loot (that i can use) this week

[fast knot]

[sick sentinel]

got, 5 god damn helemts

[royal rune]

prot warrs are back in the meta?

[dusk hinge]

wait what mobs are casting dark claw

[sick sentinel]

3 pairs of legs

[fast knot]

Minion of Doubt

[errant birch]

Tyrannical with RLP FAWK

or AA Tree ;-;

[lyric elm]

Tree is doable, but you gotta lust the branch

[fast knot]

Nokhud 2nd boss?

First boss of RLP has insane chip damage too

[lyric elm]

its a healer fight yea

[errant birch]

rlp is hella overtuned

im bout to do rlp 15

[deft vessel]

random but what cloak enchant do you lot run? regenerative leech or just leech

[errant birch]

any prayers?

[fast knot]

go with base since out of combat regen is garbage

[lyric elm]

regen leech wasnt that much more expensive so i took it

[deft vessel]

you sacrifice 10 leech for the otu of combat regen

[lyric elm]

oh snap

not worth it

[fast knot]

was cheaper for me 🤷‍♂️

[deft vessel]

oh wait no

nvm

[slim dove]

prot pal does 7k dps, i do 25k dps. keep pulling threat off him on terros

what do

hard mode dont call him bad

[deft vessel]

yeah i'm blind

[strong forum]

okay so i did a couple 17-18s

BV seems to be the play there in those levels

[urban portal]

thats tough man

7k dps is the dps 80 ilevels ago

[strong forum]

7k dps is 9.1

so more like 150 ilvl ago

[deft vessel]

regen leech is just 125 + out of combat regen, and the writ of leech is just 125 leech (for cloaks) i was looking at the bracers, whops

[slim dove]

i dont get it

[urban portal]

sheehs

bad memory

[lyric elm]

ok ty

[urban portal]

was tanks pulling 7k on st in 9.1?

i dont recall that

[fading tide]

Is there a way to ignore both dragons in the Ruby mythic b4 second boss

[fast knot]

You can easily skip Flamegullet

but you want Thunderhead gone to do 2nd boss efficiently

[fading tide]

You pull the boss to the side thunder is on?

[floral river]

you rotate yeah

[fast knot]

You clear Thunderhead and kite the boss around ring

[jovial birch]

just gotta get past him before he sits his ass in the middle of the path

[fast knot]

Problem is he fucks off and then flys around to that 2nd elemental area

which on a Tyr key might be occupied if dps are low

[fading tide]

You can kite the boss that far without a reset?

[jovial birch]

you can go all the way around

[fast knot]

You can go all the way around the ring

[floral river]

that's the mechanic

[fast knot]

ask me how I know

[fading tide]

Jesus my dumbass tanked that boss right where he was

[jovial birch]

ill trust you I just figured that was the case

[floral river]

it's hard to do since the floor is lava

[jovial birch]

higher keys you end up taking up more circle

takes longer to die spawns more adds more lava etc

[floral river]

Is tyranical still a thing?

[fast knot]

Next week ye

[edgy grail]

Unfortunately

[floral river]

jesus christ

[fast knot]

Alongside your favorite legion partner Grievous

[floral river]

I'm gonna throw up

[lyric elm]

let the RLP take you

[fast knot]

Fenryr is going to be an absolute gem

my melee are already petrified of getting clapped

[floral river]

I had to solo the last 20% in a 14 earlier

[fast knot]

Claw Frenzy is fun mechanic

[deft hazel]

having court of stars as a dungeon is going to make me quit

[jovial birch]

fuck that place

[fast knot]

Court is pretty easy once you get routes down

[lyric elm]

Cos is undertuned so it could be worse

yea

[fast knot]

and melee don't stand in front of frontals

[jovial birch]

shadowmoon burial grounds seems most undertuned to me

[lyric elm]

it is

[floral river]

It seems fine

[lyric elm]

just gotta lust the 2 elementals at the end cuz they suck

[jovial birch]

Hey im not complaining

[floral river]

If Jade is in the rotation, a free key is OK by me

[fast knot]

You just have to slow down with Jade and take your time

take spell block and efficiently clear packs

[jovial birch]

I did not expect the change on the first boss but happy to not do the adds

[fast knot]

I swear to god my group can't count

3 flashes and run on 1

🤷‍♂️

Quaking and thundering with that though can get fucked

[deft hazel]

the only dungeons i havent tanked yet are cos/hov.. might just have to dps them at this point idk either

[jovial birch]

I havnt done H0V since legion and am not looking forward to it

[floral river]

3rd boss jade claps me, am I just supposed to pop a SW/LS on each jade hit?

[lyric elm]

they're ok, just a bit confusing

yea you need to max mit

call for externals if you need

[fast knot]

You take punch and back out of circle right

[floral river]

HoV is good, but the timer seems short with the amount of RP and running

Yeah I take hit and leave circle

[lyric elm]

hov needs very good dps or you wont make it

[fast knot]

dps issue for third boss as well

have to get out of 2nd phase as soon as possible

[lyric elm]

odyn is just a dps race

and the kings

[fast knot]

for temple sorry

[lyric elm]

oh yea

2nd* phase is probably lust time on tyrannical

[onyx marsh]

which phials yall using for M+ eye of storm?

[jovial birch]

yessir

[floral river]

yeah, I'm just saying in my experience, the same number of mistakes that loses you HoV will still let you beat another key of equal difficulty

[lyric elm]

definitely

did a 10 and we died 5 times but dps just couldnt keep up

[hollow stump]

did they fix BRV ?

[jovial birch]

Im 385 ilvl right now and feel like I could just keep going up in levels until the dps or healers cant do it

[heady nest]

defenders aegis vs impenetrable wall?

[jovial birch]

im sure there would be a wall eventually but i havnt hit it yet

[floral river]

only take aegis in Jade

ime

[craggy pilot]

wtf is that pack before 1st boss COS

literally 3 mobs with 3 frontals?

and theyre almost invisible on the ground

[floral river]

are you on bridge?

[craggy pilot]

no, was on the ground after the bridge

[floral river]

Hm

[craggy pilot]

fucking dunked me to hell and back

[green apex]

random question is theres a chart for windfury which class and specs use?

[jovial birch]

Where are you guys picking up extra trash in Nokhud I keep making to last boss without 100%

[craggy pilot]

guess i need to open my eyes, had a hard time seeing quelling strike and charged blast

[craggy pilot]

3rd boss

kill the entire area almost

[jovial birch]

ok thanks because the extra shit at the end sucks ass

[craggy pilot]

3 boss area is easy %

just kill until you are 95%, and then skip at the last boss

[jovial birch]

perfect

👍

[floral river]

you guys start patrol at dragon (Granyth)?

[mystic sleet]

someone could tell me why ruby whelp shell is referred to wowhead a recommendet trinket?

uptime and procc rate is rly bad

[jovial birch]

I like to leave it for some range to ass pull

[molten ruin]

yall ever charge fly?