yep
#protection
lusty grotto
lusty tiger
on heads
modern brook
because he doesnt have what you have.
lusty grotto
thing top of your char
lusty tiger
i will say
modern brook
someone will make a WA that just screams + and - for the duration of the buff, tbh
lusty tiger
thundering w 3 melee is epic
lusty grotto
someone will make a WA that just screams + and - for the duration of the buff, t...
too late for that
20 million WAs done before tuesday
on beta basically
modern brook
any of them good?
lusty grotto
idk i dont even know what the fuck im using lmao
modern brook
someone will make a [good] wa that just screams + and - for the duration of the buff, tbh
lusty grotto
someone shared one and its kinda useless if youre all in voice cause someone always yells THUNDERING IN 5
lusty grotto
there has to be one, i think Plka was using one
lusty tiger
i just say my mark and everyone figures it out from there
modern brook
i just say my mark and everyone figures it out from there
Ill usually call like "clearing with tank in 5" or something
lusty grotto
oh let me look at these bars, then my party
if anything whats important is a countdown and a duration
everything else is easy enough to look at in game
toxic gyro
Use whatever you want, I like this one.
lusty grotto
visual clutter
toxic gyro
I keep in the corner, doesn’t bother me at all
lyric valley
so should we have both DBM and littlewigs or just one of them?
lusty grotto
my dude
drifting fable
just one
lusty grotto
dbm and littlewigs are 2 different flavors of the same thing
if you have both at the same time youre gonna have a lot of shit blaring
potent fulcrum
why is crafting a shield better than a wep
lusty tiger
lol
drifting fable
its littlewigs/bigwigs is the combo, or the 8 dbm addons or w/e
toxic gyro
Shield is biggest upgrade for a tank
lusty tiger
why is crafting a shield better than a wep
shield is the biggest upgrade for a prot war
lusty grotto
why is crafting a shield better than a wep
because we're shield tanks
lusty tiger
most defensive gain
lyric valley
if you have both at the same time youre gonna have a lot of shit blaring
that's what I thought, but I read it as "you should have both" which confused me a bit
lusty tiger
potentially still buffs shield slam but idk if thats a thing anymore
lusty tiger
ss has no block value modifier?
lusty tiger
not wrong tbh
modern brook
why is crafting a shield better than a wep
to give a more complete answer than "is gud": shields are the only natural source of "block" stat; a higher block stat will increase the amount of DR your block does, Blocking stuff is prot's whole tihng
lusty grotto
while having sb up
quaint compass
how do we use this heckin ruby whelpling trinket
modern brook
how do we use this heckin ruby whelpling trinket
is that the 24hr cd one
quaint compass
ye
modern brook
its just a passive proc cahnce
the on use changes what procs
based on your target when u use it
quaint compass
right
potent fulcrum
is shield of hearth the only available shield or is there a non embellished one?
modern brook
an enemy is a damage proc, an ally is a heal proc, yourself is a stat proc
quaint compass
do we know what kind of target to use it on?
modern brook
roughly
quaint compass
cool
modern brook
im sure its more involved but thats the quick and dirty
quaint compass
it seems to do some of all
lusty grotto
is shield of hearth the only available shield or is there a non embellished one?
primal molten defender
potent fulcrum
last question haha, did anyone figure out if armor spikes are worth or not
polar raptor
I thought I read they are all around 1% dps, nothing crazy
lusty grotto
also they are removable on recrafts
modern brook
last question haha, did anyone figure out if armor spikes are worth or not
proc chance was really low, but that got buffed to my understanding; idk how they look now
jagged pier
they buffed the proc chance and lowered the damage
potent fulcrum
thanks didnt know if you could remove them later or not
lusty grotto
you can remove crafted in embelishments
modern brook
they buffed the proc chance and lowered the damage
is that a net buff of damage or just net neutral?
lusty grotto
you cant remove perma ones like hearth
jagged pier
is that a net buff of damage or just net neutral?
think its like the same
quaint compass
it was 1.43% in a court i did yesterday if that helps
slim dove
whats the trigger for the 2 proto dragons in life pool?
or do they just patrol and land perfectly as im pulling an elemental
lusty tiger
or do they just patrol and land perfectly as im pulling an elemental
it feels like this sometimes
i saw the thunder one right away
as i walked up
olive steeple
whats the trigger for the 2 proto dragons in life pool?
They have a route they path
cinder storm
Yeah, that's my experience as well the timing with the route there is a wipe
lavish coyote
hi wait is best food ?
cinder storm
Haste
slender blade
It is pretty safe and ez to just pull the packs back into the alcoves behind them and you will pretty much always dodge the dragon, just need to kick the casters in, but makes dodging flamegullet pretty easy
lavish coyote
not critical hast ?
solar blade
haste food or fortune cookies
solar blade
also dont forget howling or buzzing rune on your weapon
timid beacon
For a Mythic+ safety build where you're not trying to max DPS (for groups that may not be best suited for a high dps/less tanky build) would dropping SoF to pick up BSV be a good option? Looking at a the builds in the PINs and that's what I was thinking
regal blaze
Does someone know how i can track shield slam procs in Weak aura? If its procs i got like a pixel glow on shield slam in my action bar (using elvui if that matters) but how can i apply that to a shield slam weakaura? I cant track it through a buff because there is no buff i get when it procs.
solar blade
fortune gives mainstat which is huge
cinder storm
Don't you get those procs with default UI?
solar blade
Does someone know how i can track shield slam procs in Weak aura? If its procs i...
very specific question and things to change i guess, cuz as you say it aint a buff it just gets reset and if you wantes to implement a glow it wouldve been on reset
solar blade
Don't you get those procs with default UI?
he wants those on his weakaura
modern brook
For a Mythic+ safety build where you're not trying to max DPS (for groups that m...
yeah should be fine. BSV possibly still bugged
elfin kiln
anyone have a place where they get good routes for keys?
cinder storm
Plka has good routes
wary heath
i've been used Tactyks since his are pug friendly, low to no skips
been getting +2 on most 10s
ancient pivot
heya guys! would u advise to almost always be in def stance?
or adjust it based on how much intake of dmg there is
pallid canyon
I use Dorki's routes big dick easy timed keys
spice axle
What are y'all using your sparks on? Shield with armor spikes emb looks kinda spicy
@elfin kiln https://wago.io/p/DorkiRoutes
modern brook
heya guys! would u advise to almost always be in def stance?
You pay for dstance with damage. If you are not taking threatening damage you are losing dps for nothing by staying in it
sage sierra
Hey guys! im new to tanking as prot, can you guys help me with a nice talent build for m+? 🙂
sage sierra
https://tenor.com/view/check-the-pins-kowalski-penguin-gif-20219688
Thanks 🙂
barren socket
man I hope they don't gut prot tbh
it feels really strong right now and it scares me
last mason
am i the only one who finds raid streams unwatchably boring
wraith hemlock
There probably are people like you out there
jagged pier
It already got nerfed
it got nerfed more than once if u take beta into account
that being said it is likely there will be nerfs
wraith hemlock
it got nerfed more than once if u take beta into account
True but I meant from patch release
I didnt keep much track of beta tbh
woven scroll
Worked on the target Dummy and was able to get the Crits up to 90k. I'm a little behind on str and some other stats. I think with a little more gear + raid buffs the numbers will be more in line. Thanks for the help.
jagged pier
am i the only one who finds raid streams unwatchably boring
u wont be the only one
but i like raid streams from certain ppl
wraith hemlock
They can be very useful. For strats, for learning new stuff, etc
Of course with a grain of salt.
rugged geode
hey guys which spark itmes are the best for prot
lethal charm
What sockets do I put into Elemental Laritat
wraith hemlock
What sockets do I put into Elemental Laritat
2 more for a maximum of 3
rancid python
Yeah, check pins with 2 sentences of vague information from beta lol
wraith hemlock
Yeah, check pins with 2 sentences of vague information from beta lol
The pins have the guides
Which... Surprisingly enough also happen to have a section on what spark items to craft
Such wows
wraith hemlock
The armor spikes thou seem to deal barely anything
Which is sad
I was hoping for a lot of damage done through blocks and taking hits
jagged pier
then we would get nerfed
wraith hemlock
and we do damage from blocking
I even use the axe and shield skin for the artifact weapon! It has spikes
weak snow
its a solid 2% of my dmg I think thats pretty okay for an embelishment (no one can craft lariate on my cluster),
wraith hemlock
its a solid 2% of my dmg I think thats pretty okay for an embelishment (no one c...
ST or overall in dungeons?
weak snow
ST raid,
weak snow
neg i was just going off of details, and yes def wrong, cause my raid group sucks.
jagged pier
thats not high
wary heath
armor spikes is doing between 1% and 3% of my damage for me
in my SBB 12, it did 1.1%
shadowmoon burial*
i like it
acoustic jewel
more threat
wary heath
anything I can slap on and never think about again, im game
I forgot to check to see how much it did in my incarnates run last night though
sick sentinel
You guys have a preferred phial for tanking?
jagged pier
im using glaical
in raid
eye in m+
the main stat phials dont work for raid at all
and the crit one u just need to be aware your gunna take damage
so the best after that is glaical
unkempt lily
does anyone else have random moments where all aggro just drops randomly?
jagged pier
in what context
wraith hemlock
Only when the arcane mage bursts for 150k
unkempt lily
like dungeon groups, ill be top damage even, and at random intervals i just drop all aggro on all mobs
and have to fight for it back
wraith hemlock
And are those mobs aggroed or are they fixating people?
edgy grail
Some mobs dont have an aggro table
inner halo
If I am planning on focusing on mythic plus, and not raiding much, does using a spark to create the bracers that can have a brez on it make sense over making a weapon/shield? (already made the neck as my first slot)
sage sierra
stats are haste/vers?
inner halo
all haste
sick sentinel
im using glaical
Thanks
mighty valley
like dungeon groups, ill be top damage even, and at random intervals i just drop...
need to know specifically where this is happening, my best guess is either mobs with fixates/no aggro table, or someone's dropping an earth elemental
wary heath
does it matter what slot you put your primalist gem ?
i got a good socketed ring, just slap it in ?
deft hazel
is academy trash supposed to hurt
dapper nest
Everything hurts at some point
calm sapphire
Azure Vault trash is pain
wary heath
jade trash feels psycho. algethar doesnt seem too bad actually
calm sapphire
Most pain are those Jade Temple pulls before 3rd boss
wraith hemlock
Just... Ignore pain ba dum tss
tepid sage
why some war prot play in dps stance
uneven mason
why some war prot play in dps stance
Because mob no hit hard
calm sapphire
why some war prot play in dps stance
Because dead things do no damage
uneven mason
Alternatively, the best defense is a good offense
tepid sage
OK thx
dapper nest
How are the JC trinkets?
wraith hemlock
also we heal at least 10% of the damage we do. Def stance reduces damage we do. bad play
lyric geode
The bad thing about TAV is that if a shriek happened to shout, the key is depleted
uneven mason
A better question than "why does prot DPS" is; why don't more DPS use defensives
lyric geode
Shouldnt the mobs be resetted to stasis if you wipe?
lusty grotto
no
uneven mason
Literally ate a cos7 because the 378 hdh I had died 14x due to just leaping into stupid
Legit think it was in purpose
lusty grotto
can inmediately dodge a bullet
id say its fair
cause its incredibly fucking easy to avoid
if it wasn't then that's something else
lyric geode
True, but you havent considered the stupidity of people
uneven mason
If you've got people walking into whelps they don't have the spacial awareness for 2 of those bosses
lusty grotto
it would absolutely ridiculous if it was in the 2nd half
uneven mason
Actually all 4 bosses are legit "don't get hit by the Zamboni"
https://tenor.com/view/puppet-awkward-looking-what-side-eye-gif-15476992
Healers though "you must have a perfect cd rotation" me looking at the zero sw casts I have
calm sapphire
Is +10 harder or easier than +9 given the dps buff?
uneven mason
Depends
loud patrol
depends if you have braindead people or functional people
lusty grotto
the dps buff is good but at that level youre not looking to optimize
proud dock
just me or do other people like to remove thundering asap when pugging? dps buff be damned if people cant coordinate and get stunned
uneven mason
That's basically it
calm sapphire
ahh
uneven mason
Like if you're pugging
pallid quiver
The potential risk of wiping due to the stun is not worth it compared to the difficulty of a 10, especially while pugging
mighty valley
people are learning dungeons still and they hit us with week 1 quaking again, so safety is generally the play right now
lusty grotto
you can play around with doing it
and then once again you hit a high enough key, you insta clear
mighty valley
my buds are getting more confident though, there are a lot of situations where you can prep positioning to clear it and talk to each
uneven mason
people are learning dungeons still and they hit us with week 1 quaking again, so...
Was in all melee group, healer wanted to fistweave
Like playing red light green light
frosty epoch
Hey, maybe you guys can help me out with this, im working on efficiency with damage output and trying to get an idea on how other prot wars are performing. How much dps are yall pumpin out on an average run?
frosty epoch
lets say around 10 and roughly 380-390 ilvl
frosty epoch
m+
lusty grotto
thats a big range
sick sentinel
is prot getting a big nerf tuesday?
uneven mason
You should level your bdk
fast knot
Some variables to consider to with group comp and who is actually using utility to make you survive better
uneven mason
It's going to be so bad that sense will play another tank in the MDI
cinder storm
It depends on key range, mob pull, dungeon count, 380 doing like 22k on burial and 30k on academy
fast knot
If no one is stopping casts or soothing Raging you're probably gonna have to be more defensive
mighty valley
Was in all melee group, healer wanted to fistweave
to be fair my healer alt is mistweaver and i will try and stay in melee range come hell or high water
lusty grotto
It's going to be so bad that sense will play another tank in the MDI
Sense will brewmaster for the first time in his life
wary heath
I'm 384, I do between 30k to 38k average in a key , generally 10to 12. not sure if that helps you
lusty grotto
(im just memeing 
pls dont kill me)
heady gyro
What are you guys building your spark with? I know everyone has been posting neck but if I'm strictly a mythic + andy what do you guys think? still neck?
wary heath
raid I do under 20k single target
frosty epoch
yea it helps. im at 383 and seem to be sitting at 30k. trying out some different builds and testing things
unreal sinew
is either Alchemist stone worth crafting?
unreal sinew
kk ty
cinder storm
What are you guys building your spark with? I know everyone has been posting nec...
Shield if shield is low, weapon if weapon is low, neck if you already have the other two
wary heath
sounds like you are in the right zone of damage them. maybe try more battle stance, use a phial / food ?
lusty grotto
tbh i havent looked at damage at all since tuesday
wary heath
use the offense ring from azure span
yeah idc either. if i complete the key, that's a win haha
edgy grail
In raid you should rarely be in dstance
lusty grotto
i dont think most people are concerned with it right now
edgy grail
If ever
fast knot
I'm just running guildies through for gear so comps are fucked
frosty epoch
yea i tend to sit in defensive, do yall swap a lot depending on the situation?
edgy grail
In m+ yes
lusty grotto
more about surviving while pushing than anything
wary heath
i stay in battle stance, except in like jade serpent and shadowmoon burial
cinder storm
I mean, you don't want to sit on defensive if you hp is not moving
fast knot
Most of my life in Nokhud/RLP/Temple is getting throttled because people nuke packs and we only have one soothe
fast knot
3rd boss packs are brutal
lusty grotto
just bring a dragon
edgy grail
Stay in bstance until you need dstance
fast knot
Especially with derps that asspull birds into double Warrior pack 
cinder storm
Cry
deft hazel
deft hazel
trash yes xd
cinder storm
Last pack probably
fast knot
Save reflect on Dark Claw for raging to absolutely dumpster
cinder storm
wary heath
first area, you have to LOS the tide ripple
healers can't keep up this week
2nd area, you have to reflect dark claws and interrupt haunting gaze
pull small
edgy grail
For TOJS you play spell block and defenders aegis
Done
Kite the idiot at the end if you dont have CDs
wary heath
3rd area, pull small and again interrupt the fear
last giant pack, you can CC, or just shield wall and shockwave most of them
fast knot
Isn't first boss bugged anyway if waterbeam target is far enough away
cinder storm
3rd boss area don't link too much, they explode + raging and it sucks
fast knot
Hard to replicate but he animates without beam showing
wary heath
the timer is super super lenient, pull slow and methodical
jade is just punishing for being lazy
cinder storm
In AA if you move the elemental outside of the circle, the tornado spawns under the texture and it's hard to see
deft hazel
i guess haunting gaze was ripping me apart xd
lusty grotto
spell block is also 1.5 minutes
id say you need to understand how SR works for DR
20s cd
deft hazel
also ngl 3rd boss didnt hurt but occasionally did chunks of dmg idk
rocky kraken
whats a good uptime on SB atm?
wary heath
i don't find TJS it's ME they are killing, the entire party just dies, (lurker , sweeping leg kick). so spell block is fine, but it's not keeping your pug idiots alive
mighty valley
always
lusty grotto
100%
rocky kraken
ok ty
lusty grotto
depending on downtime, 100% on getting hit, but still overall should be close to it
especially if youre not chain pulling
that tends to go down
rocky kraken
ive been at 80% but still learning dungs so i havent been as good ast pressing it
lusty grotto
look at logs
its a better measure
there used to be a trigger for reading logs but
go to damage taken, look at attacks, make sure they are blockable attacks
put mouse over mit -- as in hover over mit
you'll get uptime on those attacks
if its anything other than 100%, you're not doing well
deft hazel
im looking over what i have now and taking notes.. im pretty sure it will go better next time
lusty grotto
shit happens so can use idk a 2-3% buffer?
lyric geode
It feels so shit to play with 11% haste
wary heath
heavy REP
modern brook
70% was low in sl tbh
lyric geode
HR
mighty valley
HR for now
wary heath
ITF is too nuts to use right now
wary heath
what keys are you pushing rukt?
mighty valley
it will definitely help
wary heath
ITF causes SB to fall off if packs / bosses aren't dying fast enough right now
rocky kraken
\ive done an 11 atm
lyric geode
Guys, I am feeling bad... I only have 11% haste.
rocky kraken
thats why i picked ItF
lyric geode
It is so suboptimal
rocky kraken
cant do 10% haste
lyric geode
I mean, following ilvl gear is good. Dont going to lie.
But I dont feel the speed of protection warrior
it is like playing mm hunter
bitter coral
any1 got a stance change macro
lusty grotto
cinder storm
Pins
wary heath
how you got 11% haste ?
lyric geode
like you should
I am in pain right now
cinder storm
Are you enchanting rings and using haste food?
rocky kraken
im 13% haste without itf
wary heath
i must just have some blessed haste pieces that have dropped
im at 19% unbuffed, without filtering pieces
lusty grotto
its good to be lucky
wary heath
but it's sitll low
lyric geode
Shield from Neltharus
lusty grotto
meanwhile, i have to wait always for the weekend to ACTUALLY GET ONE Dragon Shard of Knowledge
wary heath
have you been crafting any gear? you can still pick a few pieces yourself
lyric geode
Weapon from Ofensive
lyric geode
have you been crafting any gear? you can still pick a few pieces yourself
No money, no honey
crystal steeple
Crystalized Bulwark Icon Crystalized Bulwark, looted from Umbrelskul in The Nokhud Offensive.
icy veins trolling 🧌
lyric geode
wary heath
lyric geode
31% mastery.... Ufff
wary heath
the GOAT ring
ebon hearth
any recommended m+ plater profiles for tank?
lusty grotto
yes
wary heath
push push
cinder storm
lusty grotto
#feelsdeadinside
i mean im using this garbage
because i get absolutely 0 drops
and because it was an upgrade
and i fucking hate it
but STR is STR
lyric geode
Uff.
cinder storm
I swapped an item and went down from 16% to 14% pre buff, felt really bad, can't imagine 11%
lyric geode
I am lucky I have the HoI trinket
wary heath
it's like he has a debuff on him permanently
cinder storm
sick sentinel
hey does anyone have a macro to have defensive stance and battle stance on the same key?
strong forum
pins
lyric geode
@strong forum how much haste you have?
lusty grotto
i hate RNG and RNG hates me
strong forum
19.62%
lyric geode
uhhh
lusty grotto
fuck you nome
lusty grotto
hexed obsidian
any shield crafters here?
wary heath
26 crit, 19 haste, lmao this man is JUICED
lusty grotto
edgy grail
No main stat gem? 👀
lyric geode
Dude, I dont know what pact with the devil you make. But I would gladly sign it.
strong forum
i dont have it unlocked yet
edgy grail
Buy it noob
strong forum
cant
edgy grail
Smh
strong forum
theyre soulbound
edgy grail
Crafting order
honest kite
Hey guys, do i need rend and whirlwind as prot warr ?
edgy grail
🫠
strong forum
crafting order 
edgy grail
Great new system
lyric geode
Hey guys, do i need rend and whirlwind as prot warr ?
Hmmmm
lusty grotto
still flame
Can you guys share the stance macro? Battle/Def stance?
hexed obsidian
crafting order <:greensloth:766650223098855504>
still no guarantee for t5 tho
strong forum
im 9 knowledge away from crafting my own
edgy grail
You can guarntee rank 5
still flame
The macro from the pin either gives me Defensive stance, or when I am in def stance, it just removes def stance but doesnt give me battle stance.
lusty grotto
there you go
edgy grail
With personal order
lyric geode
To be honest, if it drops ilvl upgrade without a haste stat I will lose my mind
hexed obsidian
isnt that why im asking for crafters here?
edgy grail
We weren’t replying to you
still flame
With personal order
Do you have a tip regarding my question then please?
hexed obsidian
ahh
lusty grotto
The macro from the pin either gives me Defensive stance, or when I am in def sta...
nope
rough gate
are you sure you're in prot spec
lusty grotto
literally just tested it, its working
lyric geode
Mastery is so good that I have plenty of it...
lusty grotto
so there's something wrong in your end
calm sapphire
nice, azure vault shield
still flame
Yeah, I have that Macro. I am Prot spec. I have defensive stance. I use that macro and it cancels Defensive stance, but doesnt turn on Battle stance. If I press it again, it gives me Def stance. But never Battle stance.
calm sapphire
Battle Stance can't be untalented
lusty grotto
hey people find a way
calm sapphire
main pulsar
prot is so fun wtf
hexed obsidian
where you guys finding crafters to make t5 shield?
wary heath
i spam trade until i find one
calm sapphire
Yeah, I have that Macro. I am Prot spec. I have defensive stance. I use that mac...
Try this one
#showtooltip
/cast [stance:1]!Battle Stance;!Defensive Stance
wary heath
lf 5 molten defender, spam for 30 minutes
still flame
Oh my goodness, ignore me. It works now, so I probably prepared the macro, but didnt put it on my spellbar and kept spamming regular def stance not the macro 😄
Sorry.
rough gate
omegakekw
lusty grotto
i knew it had to be something stupid
still flame
Ikr.
hexed obsidian
I'm now regretting speccing into shields
can u meake me one 🙂 pls
still flame
Regarding the "wowhead" m+ prot talent Code, what do you guys change? Do you stick with BV or FBV?
calm sapphire
I don't think you can do crafting orders for people not on your server
hexed obsidian
what server u on?
calm sapphire
Tarren Mill-EU
rough gate
im running FBV and impenetrable wall personally
lusty grotto
im doing FBV but only until they fix the bug, if they ever do it
but honestly
depending on speed, i can probably BV and hope to never cap
lusty grotto
yeah that's true
wary heath
BV
lusty grotto
time to angry tweet @WarcraftDevs
main pulsar
do you ever leave defensive stance as prot
rough gate
ya
edgy grail
The question should be do you ever leave bstance
wary heath
yes, I also drink water and breathe air
edgy grail
You default to bstance
scenic crater
do you ever leave defensive stance as prot
you should when not tanking
hexed obsidian
when you become senator armstrong levels of beefy you switch it of to become senator armbonk
edgy grail
And use dstance only when needed
scenic crater
tru
pallid quiver
do you ever leave defensive stance as prot
By default, you want to be in Battle stance. You only want to be in Defensive Stance when you need it to survive
strong forum
treat defensive stance as a defensive cooldown
pallid quiver
Think of it like a de
edgy grail
Just because you are tanking doesnt mean you need dstance
pallid quiver
nome beat me to it
strong forum
goal is to be in B-stance as much as you can
rough gate
I go bstance just to flex on some bad dps players
main pulsar
you should when not tanking
when would i not be tanking in prot
pallid quiver
when would i not be tanking in prot
raid bosses
pallid quiver
There's taunt swaps
On an average raid fight, you're only actually tanking 50% of the time
If you're tanking more than that, you're likely tanking while you have a tank debuff on you that makes you take like a bajillion more damage
and you should really encourage your co-tank to get them off of you
main pulsar
doesnt that get boring?
pallid quiver
this is sheerly going on an average raid time experience, not what you can do or anything
edgy grail
Yes it does
earnest shuttle
365 ilvl, about to change to prot. Any tips? Should I watch all of the dungeon guide videos from some specific mythic+ youtuber that also provides raid guides? Im out of the loop.
edgy grail
Raid tanking is garbage
pallid quiver
doesnt that get boring?
Most of the time, yes. Tanking's the easiest role in raid most of the time. You have the least mechanics to deal with
main pulsar
Raid tanking is garbage
yeah it sounds boring
pallid quiver
Sometimes there's interesting things for tanks to do, but not always
jagged pier
You can tank more than 50% easily
theres serveral fights where u tank for more than 50%
main pulsar
M+ tanking has been fun so far though
pallid quiver
I think in this raid tier, it's most of them, isn't it?
edgy grail
M+ tanking tho is 10/10
jagged pier
yer
main pulsar
M+ tanking tho is 10/10
yeah it feels fun to me
i will need to find a guild that lets me DPS raid and tank M+
or maybe try a healing alt for raid... resto druid kinda cool
pallid quiver
meanwhile, never forget my pug raid experience from yesterday where i was tanking 100% of the time
pallid quiver
i will need to find a guild that lets me DPS raid and tank M+
That's actually easier than finding a good tank spot for raid
edgy grail
Like easily the “best” role since you command the team
main pulsar
That's actually easier than finding a _good_ tank spot for raid
not a lot of guilds wants DPS warr right now tho
pallid quiver
It's easy to get a raid spot as a tank in a guild; it's a lot harder to find a good guild that needs a tank
edgy grail
That’s a struggle for warrior yea
pallid quiver
not a lot of guilds wants DPS warr right now tho
Less good guilds are looking for tanks at all
overall getting into a good raiding group is awkward at this time for Warriors
edgy grail
I main warlock
lusty grotto
guilds tend to not look for tanks
edgy grail
Easy to find a guild
uneven mason
Tank spots tend to be lifetime assignments, you only get one when the previous tank dies of old age
edgy grail
Most tanks suck 😂
lusty grotto
no
pallid quiver
Tank spots tend to be lifetime assignments, you only get one when the previous t...
or they get got by the itis or somethin'
main pulsar
It's easy to get a raid spot as a tank in a guild; it's a lot harder to find a g...
seems healing spots are a dime a dozen
but healing is boring
edgy grail
Healing is only fun during prog
main pulsar
I played Holy paladin in wrath classic holy shit what a snooze fest
quaint zodiac
2 tanks per raid
And most would rather deal with an average-skill tank that is a player they have know for years vs a new player
quaint zodiac
Yup, I just got asked to swap back to tanking over 2 newer guildies that volunteered. Granted I've been tanking my warrior for the better part of 17 years xD. It's all about reliability when it's the only role that isn't flexible
woven scroll
Tanking sometimes has some complex mechanics, but most of it is taunt swaps and positioning You will have the weight of "personal responsibility" mechanics more often than other roles in Normal/Heroic raiding.
potent gulch
strong forum
pretty meh
neon elk
Werent people claiming it to be one of best from dungeons like yesterday? xd
strong forum
and i corrected them
calm sapphire
It's high rated on the Wowhead guide, but bloodmallet puts it pretty low
strong forum
whelp shell is like sporepods from BFA
its good when you get the proc at the right time
but most of the time its fairly useless
sick sentinel
Should we lose to a feral druid in pvp?
Druid 20 ilevels lower but has pvp gear
then again i think pvp gear gets ilevel boosted in WM?
strong forum
pvp gear gets scaled to minimum 408
edgy grail
Feral is very good
sick sentinel
got him to half hp
edgy grail
At what rating?
wary heath
oh god pvp, pls i can't
sick sentinel
even when they have pvp gear and you dont?
lusty grotto
i dont fucking play rated as tank wtf
sick sentinel
@lusty grotto
edgy grail
So what are you even saying 😂
sick sentinel
Im talking about Wpvp 1v1 vs feral druid with pvp gear and prot warrior in pve gear, you saying you 'easily' beat a feral in my situation?
sick sentinel
So not my situation, thanks
slim dove
You won't beat a good feral in open world 1v1
edgy grail
Feral is insanely good
lusty grotto
and just victory rush away
sick sentinel
Thanks for the confirmation @slim dove , he had ilevel and pvp gear advantage, makes sense he won
slim dove
It's open world, who cares
edgy grail
You shouldn’t just look at situations like that
slim dove
Feral will run and reset 100x to claim they beat someone 1v1 lul
edgy grail
That just makes it so you dont improve
Im sure you could have played better in some way
Focus on that and not the gear
sick sentinel
Ill be honest, i had pve mythic + talents not pvp talents
I was just doing random WQ in WM
lusty grotto
pvp talents are pve talents
the only thing you change is
getting bshout
err brage i mean
most ferals arent bleed build
sick sentinel
My bad guys ill post in pvp and stop talking in wrong channel
lusty grotto
that's when it will get scary
they shouldnt be an issue
cycloning? reflect
root? avatar
silent anchor
first CoS run 😄
sick sentinel
I think he had bleeds, or some kinda dots on me just kept hitting then kiting me
wary heath
woahhhhhh, nice ring dude
lusty grotto
ok then yeah you're gonna be fucked in that regard
sick sentinel
gz
lusty grotto
any feral or assas that bleeds/poisons and kites is pretty much a slow loss
sick sentinel
damn
lusty grotto
dead zone kite
sick sentinel
that sucks
lusty grotto
that has been true forever
lusty grotto
and again even if you dwarf, they can reset
wary heath
lusty grotto
yeah this is pve only
loud patrol
so i have this build but i wanna take out the point in barbaric training, what would be better in? pain and gain? honed reflexes?
sick sentinel
Is Brutal Vitality still bugged?
wispy sparrow
Can you still intervene spell reflect a spell in m+ or was that removed
sick sentinel
Thinking of taking Fuelled by Violence but not sure if they fixed BV
loud patrol
Is Brutal Vitality still bugged?
yep
wary heath
we did it, we saved the city
loud patrol
So i should carry on using FbV still?
i mean if you want
sick sentinel
I think the pinned message tells us to till it gets fixed unless i read it wrong
sick sentinel
got it
naive gale
FBV healing seems low and if you are having gaps in IP or generally fighting to keep IP up, BV is still probably better
sick sentinel
FBV healing seems low and if you are having gaps in IP or generally fighting to ...
Yea im doing mythic + so this def happens a lot
naive gale
just depends on key level and gear. Like at 387 ilevel i feel like IP is often capping in keys < 15 so I've got FBV on there
but if the content is tough enough then I'd swap to BV
sick sentinel
Anyone else getting mail dropping from rares? like WTF it's soulbound....
loud patrol
somehow
lusty grotto
since day 1 DF
sick sentinel
Are you sure it's intended? Why would it be soulbound
lusty grotto
its 65g
sick sentinel
lol
wary heath
vendor it, the rares drop loot table gear
sick sentinel
Or blizz trolling
uneven mason
Anyone else getting mail dropping from rares? like WTF it's soulbound....
Yup your looking at the 1$ prize for matching 3 numbers, better luck next week
pallid quiver
The drops per rare are, uh, per rare. They have their own loot tables
All are soulbound, whether for your class or not
sick sentinel
My first 385 piece and it's mail lol, just my luck
382*
Anyone else think Ruby Life Pools is overtuned in mythic+?
lime rivet
ruby death pools
loud patrol
i love how i have taken gear from someone many times
sick sentinel
the last boss i mean
wary heath
the difficulty jumps up considerably fast
limpid anchor
the last boss i mean
That’s just positioning
loud patrol
the last boss i mean
that means ur healer is not dispelling
sick sentinel
yea my healer was busy dpsing, barely healed me
sick sentinel
i had to solo last 10% everyone died fire everywhere
somehow i made it
or maybe it was 5% hp
loud patrol
yeah you gotta move it, the area is big
clear robin
Has anyone been able to macro charge and shield charge together??
limpid anchor
Doesn’t seem overtuned
loud patrol
Has anyone been able to macro charge and shield charge together??
dont
limpid anchor
More like a shit party
clear robin
o
loud patrol
Doesn’t seem overtuned
is not but its weird
i had a +7 ruby where i was getting roasted alive by so much fire
limpid anchor
But the bosses feel tyrannical
sick sentinel
yea i died twice but my party died like 17 times this was +5, i think the healer was just dpsing mostly
loud patrol
and i did a +9 ruby where i got almost no fire
limpid anchor
i had a +7 ruby where i was getting roasted alive by so much fire
Everytime someone walks in fire it spawns more
loud patrol
Everytime someone walks in fire it spawns more
ohhhhhhhhh
sick sentinel
The one mentioned on pinned messages
loud patrol
i should read the dungeon journal more
limpid anchor
i should read the dungeon journal more
Generally helps :)
sick sentinel
I read dungeon journal for tank bit, doesnt say about dispelling
limpid anchor
Pug heals don’t know go dispel works
uneven mason
Pug heals don’t know go dispel works
This is more common than DPS who don't kick
limpid anchor
After I complained that he doesn’t dispell :)
loud patrol
10/10
lusty grotto
but
drifting fable
i had to tell my bud the other day evokers had a dispel
lusty grotto
your very so bad
limpid anchor
i had to tell my bud the other day evokers had a dispel <:critcake:9845498325113...
Evokers even have a sooth! Atleast devesation
dusty geyser
Are you trying to channel your inner Preheat
sick sentinel
Damn i only read overview part for tank, didnt look at abilties tab
loud patrol
Evokers even have a sooth! Atleast devesation
wait what?
radiant pewter
I thought by upgrading a key by 3 levels you would get 3 loots at end of dungeon, seems its only 2 items?
loud patrol
well thats nice to know
lusty grotto
Evokers even have a sooth! Atleast devesation
both
uneven mason
I was doing a +5 azure on my shm and I think the tank was in tears because I was keeping the snare off
limpid anchor
loud patrol
but for a dps to use a soothe is hard they cant even kick
limpid anchor
But it has 2 min cd or so
delicate kraken
Did they nerf defensive stance again?
limpid anchor
Did they nerf defensive stance again?
Yes
loud patrol
ye
uneven mason
Did they nerf defensive stance again?
Idk, what's defensive stance
limpid anchor
But it doesn’t matter
sick sentinel
why they keep nerfing us
limpid anchor
They nerfed every tank
sick sentinel
so we still top tank?
limpid anchor
No
lusty grotto
cause they wanna scare the fotm rerollers away
limpid anchor
Bottom f Tier
loud patrol
so we still top tank?
does it matter?
sick sentinel
damn we no longer at the top?
limpid anchor
Also
sick sentinel
that ddnt last long
uneven mason
why they keep nerfing us
Because YouTubers who don't know how tanks work won't stfu
limpid anchor
I’m like 70% of the dungeon in bstance anyway
sick sentinel
I’m like 70% of the dungeon in bstance anyway
mythic +?
loud patrol
Because YouTubers who don't know how tanks work won't stfu
Nixxiom looking at ya
uneven mason
I can't wait to do keys high enough to use defensive stance
sick sentinel
damn whats your ilevel
sick sentinel
im only 373
loud patrol
man i really though i was a bad tank cuz i had failed some +8
limpid anchor
Or on bigger pulls
loud patrol
in reality was the dps 
limpid anchor
man i really though i was a bad tank cuz i had failed some +8
It’s so strange. Sometimes I fly through 13s and then fail a 10
delicate kraken
in reality was the dps <:keks:936231610850897992>
No interrupt key on bar
limpid anchor
Also dps don’t interrupt
loud patrol
No interrupt key on bar <:deadge:900279927138578432>
not talented in
limpid anchor
And all dungeons are so interrupt heavy
rotund sluice
i see wowhead has an M+ bis list, they seem to like the Ruby Whelp Shell but I can't figure out exactly what this trinket does. anyone have any good info on how to best use?
loud patrol
i will always say
sick sentinel
is set focus enough to monitor whether the healer is doing their job? or do i need to download an addon
loud patrol
the tutorial area should have a 3 mins interrupt tutorial
and all interrupts are baseline ALL
delicate kraken
I actually have to pull less cause people won't interrupt
lusty grotto
warrior dh rogue mage yes
ebon elk
Tanked a dungeon, got complimented and asked to add as friend for more dungeons later. Very next dungeon, immediately get shit on by a group of premades. We had a couple small hiccups but were still on track to double upgrade, but then they started DM'ing me about being shit so I just left after the 2nd boss.
lusty grotto
well they arent
ebon elk
I almost never leave somene elses key, but fk it
loud patrol
lol fck their key
spring holly
how behind power wise am I if I just don't bother doing aiding the accord/other weekly stuff and just m+ and raid?
lusty grotto
they invited you to specifically harass you
lusty grotto
better than doing nothing
spring holly
I can't tell if this actually matters or will just slow down gear acquisition a little
loud patrol
how behind power wise am I if I just don't bother doing aiding the accord/other ...
meh not behind
sharp abyss
what talents is everyone running atm for keys?
lusty grotto
ebon elk
better than doing nothing
true
sharp abyss
i want to try and do 16's and i find that all the higher end people are using a mix of stuff
sick sentinel
Which class is the s tier tank now ?
sweet urchin
I thought veng
undone verge
whats our second crafted item after lariat?
lusty grotto
lariat IS our 2nd
cinder storm
Shield or weapon if you have low ilvl
undone verge
alr cool thanks
lusty grotto
well yeah but whats the other one
shield
vapid mountain
Dragonflight m+ moment https://streamable.com/6nhk22
calm sapphire
what
cinder storm
That's azure vault haha, I died there too, the healer just said "I didn't know that could happen"
ebon elk
Ha ya that seems to be the consensus, which is good to hear - thanks all
cinder storm
I got to 4 stacks, I started yelling afterwards
calm sapphire
Huh, it doesn't actually say about the debuff in the dungeon journal
median tulip
There are lots of idiots in keys
ebon elk
lol right
median tulip
DPS are a total crapshoot in terms of quality
cinder storm
Illidan for me
median tulip
Flaming one of the in-demand roles, at that
chilly swallow
i Just dont invite a52 folks anymore > sorry not sorry
median tulip
In the EU it's always Kazzak
pallid quiver
I also don't understand how people don't just like, see a magic debuff and reactively dispell that shit. When playing my healers, I've more often accidentally cleared a magic debuff early and blew people up or something than not having dispelled at all.
Also, Stormslam in the dungeon journal is only listed as a Tank mechanic, so healers don't need to do anything 🙂
modern brook
I love the implication that anyone's ever died and went to read the journal
ebon elk
lol
chilly swallow
lol
median tulip
Lol, fair
cinder storm
"jeez, whatever is that swirly thing that looks like a debuff, maybe it's the one thing that is not a debuff"
median tulip
Tbqh I don't think I've ever read the in-game dungeon guide
modern brook
I mean you're biases to your negative experiences as per human psychology
The reality is things have probably ly been pretty par for the course
cinder storm
Anyone farming keys (like me) are the real problem. Ex: me, healer and dps went to AA 6+ just to see if friend could get a recipe. Key owner spriest 9k overall, discp 11k overall
Guy ended with ez 2 chest
pallid quiver
Most of my groups have been fine; people could have played better, but no major complaints
but the bad groups? Hoo boy
neon elk
Ive had a DH other day that missed hunt target like 3 times and just yeeted into wring group, ngl was kinda funny
sick sentinel
what race should i make my hunter
lusty grotto
yes
median tulip
what race should i make my hunter
Orc
cinder storm
Tauren
sick sentinel
Orc
u sure not troll for haste ?
is there a macro that doesnt let me press shield block if i alreayd have it up
uneven mason
No
median tulip
Anyone farming keys (like me) are the real problem. Ex: me, healer and dps went ...
To be fair, a lot of people are basically having to relearn their spec right now. So there's going to be a bunch of weirdness going on.
uneven mason
is there a macro that doesnt let me press shield block if i alreayd have it up
Why wouldn't you though?
median tulip
is it possible
No
uneven mason
I guess if the pack is about to die
sick sentinel
i just keep pressing it too early and wasting seconds
cinder storm
To be fair, a lot of people are basically having to relearn their spec right now...
Yeah, I think this weekend the best keys to farm will be the 12-13 range, less than that and people will be sus
uneven mason
You should be comfortable at 100 effective uptime
sick sentinel
hmm good idea
pallid quiver
i just keep pressing it too early and wasting seconds
Shield Block can stack up to three times its duration; you actually do have to try a bit to cap out on time
pallid quiver
Up to 18 seconds without Enduring Defenses, 24 With
median tulip
Yeah, I think this weekend the best keys to farm will be the 12-13 range, less t...
I'm on a 14, which was pretty tough. Temple of the Jade Serpent is not a friendly place
sick sentinel
wow
uneven mason
Yeah, I think this weekend the best keys to farm will be the 12-13 range, less t...
Getting through the 10s barrier as a scummy pugger is my challenge since I haven't done m+ since BFA s2
edgy grail
Temple clapsssss
pallid quiver
So you waste no shield block time if you hit it at:
12 seconds without Enduring Defenses
18 With Enduring Defenses
edgy grail
Can you even waste shield block?
uneven mason
Well not alot, I did aa good amount in sl s1
pallid quiver
Yes
uneven mason
But I try and forget that
pallid quiver
If you press it at like 20 seconds, it'll only go to 24
median tulip
Up to 18 seconds without Enduring Defenses, 24 With
44 with Bolster
pallid quiver
Bolster time is not shield block time for these purposes
edgy grail
Isnt it rather difficult to get to 20 seconds and still have another charge to press?
pallid quiver
Bolster Shield Block timing is tied to Last Stand a bit more rather than your Shield Block limit
pallid quiver
Isnt it rather difficult to get to 20 seconds and still have another charge to p...
Not too difficult in constant combat with enough SS resets
If you're using ITF, yeah, that'll be unlikely
But while using HR and things like Battering Ram, it's not unlikely at all
cinder storm
Most of my keys in bfa were like 10s-13s, once I stopped pushing helping people (for free) felt fun and nice, back then selling keys was an alien concept for me
next elbow
lautrias any good ?
pallid quiver
Of note is that, unlike Bolster, Shield Charge does add to the standard shield block limit; it effectively presses the button again. Bolster is just special
next elbow
for prot m+
hazy sluice
what gem do i put in lariat, primary haste?
and are the stats on it random?
on the lariat itself
stable palm
and are the stats on it random?
not if you use a missive
slim dove
what gem do i put in lariat, primary haste?
mainstat/haste, haste/vers, haste/vers
ivory light
have there been any updates on what to use sparks on since pins? Just wanna make sure before I make anything. Figuring lariat because stats+ bonus once its cheaper, but not sure on what my 2nd to use on
hazy sluice
not if you use a missive
and i guess this is super expensive?
stable palm
and i guess this is super expensive?
no the missives are pretty cheap
deft vessel
uhhh, okay droptimizer
that...like...doesn't seem correct, right? lol
this is on dungeon slice
on patchwerk it's still a gain, just not a 4%+ damage boost
deft vessel
I suppose, but I didn't expect that big of a gain
lusty grotto
puzzle box is fucking ass
deft vessel
the cooldown is yikes, isn't it
deft vessel
well if it gives me a 4% throughput increase (probaly cus I have like, no mastery on my gear right now) then it's not that bad
fading tide
I’m halls of valor on the boss Hyrja what do I do when she shoots that holy beam from her shield at me?
deft vessel
It's a CHANNEL!?
I didn't even realize it's a channel, thought it's just an instant use
lusty grotto
well a cast really
deft vessel
RIP, nvm then
mortal brook
Use the hyrja beam to go to other side of room
deft vessel
well yeah, same thing
mortal brook
Cuz thats the timing you wanna be swapping
slim dove
I’m halls of valor on the boss Hyrja what do I do when she shoots that holy beam...
use it to boop yourself to the other side of the room
to swap her phase.
mortal brook
Good thinking
onyx sandal
have there been any updates on what to use sparks on since pins? Just wanna make...
Weapon/Shield/Neck
earnest nymph
well a cast really
I'm assuming you can't block/parry while casting it?
earnest nymph
I guess I just cast it and then charge in 🤷♂️
more str than the trinket I had anyway
blazing condor
ran through 3 dgs with a cloak of coordination on
balmy canyon
Lol, reminds me of the time I did mythic skolex without my tier set on
wary heath
what do you need help understanding?
it's an item that helps you make powerful crafted gear
and we get one every 2 weeks
wary heath
They aren't expensive to recraft, maybe 1/10th the cost or less
it uses all the same materials
plus a few extra
sturdy sable
Depends on whos recrafting tho
wary heath
If you are worried about crafting something too low, just find someone in trade chat who can craft something with your spark, at the highest level
you don't technically need to craft anything yourself in dragonflight
upper fox
So I just wanna craft an elemental lariat with the highest possible jc so I get it at 405
use missives for the right stats
and thats it?
sturdy sable
+infusion
wary heath
You'll supply all the materials, per the crafting order. usually it's primal chaos, Raw materials (often Tier 3 mats), your spark, and gold, PLUS a primal infusion
you'll have to find someone in trade that specifies which tier they can craft it at
chilly swallow
is there a % WA for m+ yet anyone know?
upper fox
And where do I get an infusion
lusty grotto
is there a % WA for m+ yet anyone know?
use warp deplete
wary heath
the primal infusions come from a variety of content. M+ Dungeons 11-16 . Raid (normal) bosses. Renown Rank 25
wary heath
you got it
onyx matrix
How do I get a primal infusion?
chilly swallow
What is waarp Deplete?