protection

[sturdy sable]

What is this? Legion

[jagged pier]

u know 3 tanking isnt always a bad idea

[sturdy sable]

First time pulling alot of these dungeons

[jagged pier]

but probs wont work based on hc version of the fight

[sturdy sable]

No but ppl def act like it is

[languid yoke]

idk what that is

[azure ivy]

You guys probably already know this, but on Dathea, big time spell relfect damage possibilities. My guild is slow, we just got to her on normal last night but it’s a fun boss

[cinder storm]

First boss temple

[azure ivy]

On one pull I was sitting at 26kdps, and had 6% of my damage as SR, bleed wiped at 8%….. smh

[fading tide]

Is there a way to tell if you a bad tank but got grouped with a great healer?

Pugging all my runs can’t tell If I’m doing good or the healer is saving my ass

[errant sedge]

What Key lvl du you run ?

[fading tide]

Well I just did a plus 8 jade at 382

[mellow quartz]

You shouldn’t take much damage in that healer or no healer.

[short vale]

Any ideas for last pull in jade temple? 😛 that 3minion+1 haunting+fatty sha reck me, like rolling cds isn't rly helping either 😦 (15 key level, im around 387~ish)

[errant sedge]

Kite it when needed you got the hole dungeon for it

[short vale]

they don't turn their tankbuster on the party if tank is away? 😮

[fading tide]

U can’t tank that fat middle one all alone?

[short vale]

not before 3rd boss, the last pack they added before last boss

[fading tide]

I mean I did a plus 8 but I was able to get him all alone

[jagged pier]

logs

[jagged pier]

pray

[short vale]

the fatty isnt the issue, the 3 minions+haunting is

[mellow quartz]

Just lust it and roll CD’s. Run when they rage.

[fading tide]

Would recount work?

[jagged pier]

no

[gloomy pulsar]

you guys swapping to Spell Block for any dungeons?

[jagged pier]

not yet

[cinder storm]

temple

[lyric elm]

theres 1 guy messing up the nokhud skip 100%

i dunno what to do

[modern brook]

practice the skip

[lyric elm]

i mean in pugs

[jagged pier]

u cant expect pugs

to do skips

on day 2

[lyric elm]

ill have to bring a guaranteed CC guy for it

[chrome falcon]

^^^^^^^^^

like

yeah

can't really add anything to what jakey said

[cinder storm]

wait until pack gets close to boss/middle, skip on the left side

[lyric elm]

oh well

[chrome falcon]

don't expect people to know strats literally 72 hours after release of m+

explain it or put down world markers to make the route clear

[cinder storm]

bruh

[lyric elm]

i thought going past 1 mob would be in the skills of wow players at this point

[jagged pier]

your in a pug

[storm shell]

its coming

[lyric elm]

guess ill route them in then

[cinder storm]

I got told to learn dungeons if im going to tank, lfr dungeon, day 2 of xpac

[jagged pier]

yer

[cinder storm]

of course ppl know skips /s

[jagged pier]

tanks should know

in the yes of dps

but if they dont know

its fine

[lyric elm]

if youre in a +10 i expect you to know, but i see all your views

i will not expect it now

[mellow quartz]

Who uses recount in 2022?

[cinder storm]

I mean, I was literally fighting the first pack in bracken and went to move on to the cage that was on the side of the beach to the right

so like 20s into the dungeon smh

[lyric elm]

yea thats weird

[fading tide]

I meant w/e the other one is called

[mellow quartz]

‘Details’

[jagged pier]

still a no

u need to log

[lime rivet]

Dumb question

How does one log their dungeons

[cinder storm]

Personal assesment = log
General/blanket assesment = details

[jagged pier]

How do i log ?
So, if you have been here for a while, you may have noticed that whenever somebody ask for advice we ask them for a log, and if you’re new you might have no idea what that means or how to get one so :

🔸 First, download Loggerhead (https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/loggerhead) or ERT (https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/exorsus-raid-tools)

Once you have one of these any time you enter a zone where you might want a log (ie dungeon/raid/torghast) these addons will automatically start logging (in the case of ERT you have to activate automated logging in the options).
Alternatively if you don’t want to install an addon for it, whenever you are going to do an activity you want to log type /combatlog in chat to start logging said activity.
Remember to activate advanced logging in the options (System -> Network -> Advanced Combat Logging)
All these options will store your logs in your wow file inside the retail folder and the log file.

🔸 Second, go here (https://www.warcraftlogs.com/client/download) download the client. Select the live section of the client, select the upload a log button and select the fight you’re interested in putting up as a log and boom you’re done.

🔸 Third, once you’ve done all this, your log is uploaded you can put it up here and we can look at it together to see if you’re doing something wrong.

If you wish look at your own log Jakey made a nice little video explaining what we look at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1tRp8lULT8

[modern brook]

is that not in #268491842637660160

[cinder storm]

should be pinned there no?

[jagged pier]

🤷

we've always just linked it in here

[modern brook]

i feel it falls under guides and resources and faqs

[cinder storm]

if it aint broken why change it

[lime rivet]

Thanks jakey

[jagged pier]

should probably remove the vid link as that was from last expansion

but meh

basics are there

[cinder storm]

I'm actually content with dungeons this xpac, most are straightforward, no hallways, rarely 300% count dungeon, we got a freehold (burial) and nothing that seems to need skips

Gotta give it to blizz

[jagged pier]

they can tune down the damage a bit tbh

[chrome falcon]

these dungeons are fine but i couldn't do them for 2 years

but we don't have to

[fading tide]

Im having trouble with the nook nook offensive one myself

But I enjoy the rest

[grave crane]

Ah yes the ook dook offensive lol that one isn’t too bad I over pulled a decent amount in court of stars but we still timed it so that was nice

[vapid turtle]

is the crafted neck bis for prot? or should i craft a sword first for example?

[lusty tiger]

i think im getting bad value out of IO pls help https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jYCbVKdn8xwWgvyk#fight=3&type=auras&source=6

[cinder storm]

plka's route work fine for me, except I pull the big patrol pack, that one always seems to be near the hills of where I'm fighting the ballista guys (he has it unmarked on the pug route), but in turn you can skip the 5 guys before last boss and pull 2 of the casters that are on the right side walking up and down

[mellow quartz]

I pull pretty much everything in the first area. That is easier than the rest imo. Big pack if you heroic leap right to the center the 2 archers on the side will run in before they start to get rooted and just shoot so it’s all nice and grouped.

[upper hollow]

guy i remember a site about all tanking tips regardless of the class... with all tactics... can u help

[mellow quartz]

Tanknotes?

[cinder storm]

tanknotes

[upper hollow]

yes! tnx

[upper hollow]

and tnx

[tender quartz]

Which Stat from Turtle Shell Trinket do we take for Raid? :x

Mastery? I didn't notice the Flamethingie proccing often

[fading tide]

Yea the last pack of 5 b4 the 2 big guys at the end is a nightmare

[fallow osprey]

what is that addon that shows boss timers in a timeline format? that was very helpful for me compared to a stack of bars

[ocean bloom]

hey guys anyone have any tips for the last trash pack of Jade temple? 3 doubts HURTS, can we spell block those?

[edgy grail]

It’s a weakaura look up timeline in wago

[fallow osprey]

oh a WA, great thanks!

[mellow quartz]

Should be able to

[ocean bloom]

LOL

[edgy grail]

You play spell block and defenders aegis

[solemn current]

Anyone know a blacksmith on Zuljin that can do the defender shield with armor spikes at 392? Struggling to find someone

[edgy grail]

You kite the dark claws and only go in for the reflects

[tired pivot]

do initial craft materials affect recrafts for quality

[ocean bloom]

sounds good, had a 16 going fairly smooth til that pack lol wasnt prepped with a spellblock build

[uneven mason]

Remember shade of zul?

[torn jay]

yes, read the wowhead post

[tired pivot]

which one?

[torn jay]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-on-skill-bonuses-and-reagent-quality-when-recrafting-in-crafting-orders-330518

[tired pivot]

thanks

[dawn marsh]

I'm probably really blind, but how does one remove the big ass numbers from the MDT map?

[ocean bloom]

nope 🙂

[uneven mason]

It was literally - establish some aggro, RUN

Like you'd charge in blow all CDs and try and get out of range before SW faded

Because on fort weeks he could one shot you

[cinder storm]

I dont seem to find it either

[uneven mason]

In like+5

[lusty tiger]

i would really like if someone could look at my log because i cannot figure out why my SW/Avatar uptime is so bad

[edgy grail]

Zul on warrior was beans

In our 26 we had our havoc go veng and I went dps 😂

Ez

[deft mortar]

this dude didnt invite me to tank jade serpent 13 cuz I had 3 dungeons below 10 that weren't timed

[dawn marsh]

Aww thanks for looking, I feel like it must be possible because when I look at an old dratnos/mdt video I don't see the numbers

[deft mortar]

Dudes first achi dated 2017

[uneven mason]

Ok

[deft mortar]

I got Jade Serpent on challenge mode in 2014

??

[uneven mason]

Ok

[cinder storm]

yeah its new for df

[misty sail]

Brutal Vitaöity or not?

feels better but still bugged?

[uneven mason]

Still bugging

[loud patrol]

[glacial eagle]

Is battle scarred scale decent?

[sweet summit]

depends

if it saves you it's good

if it doesn't it's useless

[uneven mason]

Is it still proccing at 100%?

[mellow quartz]

Yes

I cannot describe how much I despise this low haste gameplay.

[woeful cypress]

is your haste pretty low?

[reef haven]

Dumb question sorry, we want every stat over strength? strength is not in the priority list

[uneven mason]

Ilvl = str and armor

[reef haven]

and stamina

[uneven mason]

Str is best

[reef haven]

but what about str alone

[uneven mason]

You want str

Over secondaries

[reef haven]

then why is recommended food secondary stats instead of the one that gives main stat, and no epic gem recommended too

[mellow quartz]

Cause feasts are usually shit expensive

Not a ‘personal’ food

My understanding is they are much easier and cheaper to get in DF though.

[reef haven]

you have a personal food

for main stat

Fated Fortune Cookie

[mellow quartz]

Weren’t they 1k a piece or something?

[reef haven]

🤷‍♂️

[latent hedge]

is BV still bugged?

[loud patrol]

waht .-.

and i spend 10k to make 200

[mellow quartz]

Thought someone said they cost a crap ton the other day

[sick sentinel]

Any tips for ruby

[mellow quartz]

Don’t die

[still flame]

Hi everyone, what do you use as an addon to memorize how to pull properly in each m+ dungeon?

[mellow quartz]

MDT (mythic dungeon tool)

[toxic pewter]

ruby and azure I find the most difficult so far

[undone estuary]

The dragons in ruby are mental every ranged player almost getting one shot

[toxic pewter]

Yeah if they dont dodge the frontal they done

and you only get like 1 sec to even dodge it

[undone estuary]

The cast is also pretty fast super annoying

[sturdy sable]

Cant eat them in keys

[craggy pilot]

is there a way to make a Revenge / Execute macro, without modifier? 🤔

[sturdy sable]

If you find one lmk nielsen

[reef haven]

I see, thank you 🙂

[grave socket]

Practice.

[mellow quartz]

Really? Well then they are pointless for me anyway lol

[sturdy sable]

You can pre eat them

But they wont let you "open" them mid key

Cause they give you something

[still flame]

Fantastic, thank you

[lusty tiger]

Is there a handy way to open it during the key without losing my whole screen?

[mellow quartz]

Make the window smaller

[warm kettle]

hi i have a question. During avatar if you are rage cap, are u still doing TC->x->TC->x ... or u would cast revenge to burn some rages to avoid over cap then follow back the rotation? To maximize dps i mean

[graceful granite]

Mythic Dungeon Tools lets you plan and share routes.

[mellow quartz]

You are not rage capped as you dump rage to IP or revenge

[graceful granite]

Mythic dungeon tools even tells you what% you'll be at for every pack you select.

[craggy pilot]

does the Dragon Road dot snap to Avatar Modifier?

[mellow quartz]

It’s all dynamic

[craggy pilot]

ok

[uneven mason]

Press ignore pain, keep pumping

[graceful granite]

You should never hit rage cap as prot, you always have something ogcd to spend rage on (shield block, or IP).

You also will never generate enough rage /to/ hit cap unless you're just neglecting to keep your defensives up.

There's a reason prot doesn't pick up the rage cap increase talents in the shared tree

[lusty tiger]

i... didnt know that i could

[mellow quartz]

You just had it full screen?

🤔

[lusty tiger]

);

i barely use

trying to up my key running game

[lusty tiger]

usually i just rocked keystone guru on the other monitor, but now that i have a premade- obv this needs to work better for me

[mellow quartz]

You can always just take a screenshot of the route and move to the other monitor if you need that.

[still flame]

How do you guys rate trinkets burgeoning seed and ruby whelp shell? For m+ moderate tryhard (not too hard since not enuff time).

[fluid forum]

Sorry if this is a spammed question but is there a resource for spell reflectable abilities in M+ and raid?

[tender cove]

Gave me a good idea. I should get my old monitor and go for a dual setup. Didn't feel I needed it with a 34 inch but having route etc clearly visible on another screen would be kinda dope 😄

[uneven mason]

[uneven mason]

Ultrawide ftw, got real estate on the sides for maps

[lusty tiger]

how do you deal with multiple floors though?

[undone estuary]

Is elemental lariat still bis for us after nerfs?

[lusty tiger]

like can MDT figure out which floor i'm on?

[graceful granite]

You click the doors

[fading siren]

Are you guys running shockwave as a prot warrior. Wowhead say not to use it as an AOE build

[distant plover]

I'm using it on certain dungeons where I need group stun

but if group has stuns covered I don't run it

[graceful granite]

What would you put the point into instead for M+?

Uproar?

[fading siren]

Wowhead is saying to put in uproar and bounding stride

Instead of honed reflexes

[graceful granite]

For raid or M+?

[fading siren]

M+

[graceful granite]

Wowhead says to take shockwave

unless it was literally changed today

[fresh kiln]

yo did they nerf threat generation?

[graceful granite]

You're also allowed to move utility points around.

[lusty tiger]

they just buffed it

[tropic sundial]

u h where on wowhead?

[fresh kiln]

just when like an hour ago or literally just now?

[graceful granite]

Like here's my M+ tree, the text to the guide says clearly there are points you can move around

[tropic sundial]

oh god we found the reddit poster who doesnt know how to take screenshots

[graceful granite]

you can also click the key talents tab to see what is mandatory

[fresh kiln]

nvm ima check wowhead

[minor helm]

Pictures > screenshots

[fading siren]

Haha I’m just work and it’s easier

[graceful granite]

It is literally never easier

to take a picture on your phone

than windows shift s and paste into chat

[minor helm]

It is if I pull the web page up on my phone

[fading siren]

I don’t have discord on work computer

[graceful granite]

discord.gg the webpage exists

[lusty tiger]

browser discord

[graceful granite]

you're clearly in a browser lol

[fading siren]

Anyways, you guys are taking shockwave for different dungeons

[graceful granite]

Regardless

Shockwave > Uproar for me.

33% more uptime on thunderous roar isn't going to make or break me, having the ability to AoE stun can litearlly save my life

[dusky canopy]

I swapped to shockwave also it’s nice to have the extra stop honestly

So many freaking casts

[fading siren]

Thank you guys

[graceful granite]

If you want to drop ANY stun

it's your ST stun

[lusty tiger]

TR was my top dam on AA lol

[graceful granite]

you can throw storm bolt into something else like pain and gain or int roar

[lusty tiger]

but im running w enough aoe cc specs i dont need shockwave

probably

[graceful granite]

Also, honed reflexes isn't that attractive compared to the other stuff you can drop that point in. Shield Slam resets enough that 1 second base cd isn't going to affect your rage gen much

[tender cove]

Screenshot not working for you? hahah

[graceful granite]

As far as the pummel cd, good thing you have at minimum 3 other interrupts on your party

Possibly 4 if your healer isn't a priest

[uneven mason]

Tbh shockwave is a favorite

[warm plinth]

You guys have a lot more trustworthy pugs than average people apparently

[fallen pulsar]

this is my first time seeing the valor system, so if I reach the 1500 cap, then spend points on buying something, can I earn more valor? or have I gotten all the valor I can get for the season

[cinder storm]

Yes you can, you just hit current cap

[fallen pulsar]

awesome! wanted to be sure I didn't spend frivolously if they were limited

[cinder storm]

But there's no point in using them right now, wait until you get better gear

[warm plinth]

They are limited. The cap is a seasonal cap. You can earn more, but not until the next weekly reset.

[fallen pulsar]

ah, then yeah better to wait then

[warm plinth]

If I earn 1500 valor this week and spend that 1500 valor, I can't earn more until Tuesday, which will let me earn another 750.

[graceful granite]

They just don't let you bank too much of it so you can't save up to upgrade a full set of gear from rank 1 to 15

[fallen pulsar]

makes sense, but each week I can spend 750ish then

[warm plinth]

Yeah

Assuming you're starting from being capped the week before

In the last few seasons, they've uncapped it at some point later in the season. I've heard people say they aren't doing that this time around but I have yet to see anyone able to provide a source for that.

[severe summit]

hey guys what gems are you running on your elemental lariat

[fallen pulsar]

if its capped its fine, just means I should wait until I get the best piece I can get each week and then upgrade it rather than like, pumping into a 1/13 piece

[warm plinth]

Yeah it's always better to start with the highest item possible before you begin upgrading, especially this early in the season.

[pliant maple]

What are the odds prot gets gutted 🤣

[modest gust]

If I run ritual shell, is mastery or the shield better for defensive purposes? Im assuming shield but not sure

[novel temple]

What’s the shield/mastery amount?

[uneven mason]

We're already 3 rounds of tuning in

[modest gust]

1370 mastery for 20s and shield I gotta check

[novel temple]

And proc lengths?

Cause I would say mastery if anything

[pliant maple]

Debating if I wanna level my warr

[novel temple]

Since both offensive and defensive value

[fallen pulsar]

play what you find fun, numbers are funny and change constantly

[uneven mason]

I mean not really any blocks this expansion to leveling and gearing alts

[pliant maple]

Yeah true, just the amount of time I have to play is all I have to balance against

[uneven mason]

But it's up to you, there hasn't been any time period ever that warriors haven't been able to do all content

[modest gust]

Shield is 90k for 30s

[uneven mason]

Ew

[novel temple]

It’s decent but also ehhhhh

[uneven mason]

Mastery for sure

[novel temple]

I value offensive power more

[fair stump]

What should I craft with my sparks, I just found out about them.. been living under a rock

[novel temple]

Though if you stack enough embellishments and trinket/cobalt ring proc it might actually be clutch

[fallen pulsar]

yeah prot I think is tanky enough where they benefit more from pumping damage

[pliant maple]

Not even s1 shadowlands?? They were pretty gutted

[modest gust]

I get that, but Im currently more trying to get comfy so more def than off for now, specially since I have no crafted stuff or assembly ring (maybe yet but wont bet on it)

[fallen pulsar]

dead things can't hurt you so the best defense is ultra murder hobo the enemies

[uneven mason]

Even s1 bfa which makes s1 sl prot look like superman

[novel temple]

If you want me def, just stick to distance

Dstance

[warm plinth]

S1 shadowlands was a shit tier time for any tank. VDH was only Meta during that time because they had up front burst and unmatched kiting ability lol.

[uneven mason]

Also the thing with prot in s1 bfa/sl is that it required more than 5 braincells to play properly

[novel temple]

Tanks should never be forced to kiting relevant content

[uneven mason]

As opposed to bdk brm and vdh which was basically press whatever is lit

[pliant maple]

Lmao. Maybe it’s time. I am an admitted altoholic so it’s really hard to me

[uneven mason]

Just play bdk tbh if you're worried about nerfs

They never nerf bdk (enough)

[warm plinth]

Big brain take here but everyone gets nerfed eventually

So play what's fun

[novel temple]

Honestly, as long as they don’t nerf shield block uptime from 100%, it’s honestly fine

[uneven mason]

Fun is totally subjective

[warm plinth]

I didn't say it wasn't. That's why I didn't say play prot war

[pliant maple]

How is the dmg?

[novel temple]

I do think that they should put revenge off the GCD. I wanna be able to offensive rage dump

[graceful granite]

No

There is literally no reason to do that

[warm plinth]

There's no chance that happens, and it shouldn't happen.

[uneven mason]

About the same as other tanks on average

[uneven mason]

IP is a offensive rage dump

[deep spruce]

Someone remind me stat prio plz

[uneven mason]

Ilvl

[warm plinth]

ilevel>haste>crit=vers>mast

[graceful granite]

str > haste > vers

[novel temple]

This stat prio right here @deep spruce

[uneven mason]

There is only one damage ability off the gcd we need

[weary idol]

I have a feeling this is not an easy answer but why is there a line drawn on if Vers or Crit is after Haste?

[lusty tiger]

Does shockwave generate rage?

[novel temple]

Stahp. You’re gonna make me cry in public 😭

[warm plinth]

what do you mean, a line drawn?

[pliant monolith]

Equals

Vers similar to crit

[novel temple]

The equal sign (=) ?

Or like why are they equal and is one actually better than the other

[weary idol]

In general I have seen Vers > Crit & Crit > Vers. Other than above is one of the few time I have seen it listed as = .

[next elbow]

Yo, is there any rotation for def cds (prio) or is it to have 1x shieldblock active and max ignorepain?

[warm plinth]

🤷 DPS-wise, you just sim it. Defensively, you're only picking between one stat or the other when it's equal ilevel pieces. You don't really need to overthink it.

[odd tree]

IP burns rage, you actively use it to stop from capping

[drifting fable]

secondaries after haste are pretty negligible for pwar

[warm plinth]

Shield Block should be 100% uptime. Use IP to prevent overcapping rage.

Use Demo Shout on CD

[weary idol]

I am not just curious if there was more to it.

[pliant monolith]

It depend of many factors like pulls size key lvl (how long you going take to kill a pack)

[novel temple]

Oooo, that’s a good explanation

But I do feel like the other stat we wanna aim for is crit up to a certain point to try and maintain 100% uptime on Wild Strikes (aka flurry)

[warm plinth]

I love WoW quest NPCs. "There's no time to chat" *makes you wait until they're done talking for 30 seconds to get the quest

[cinder storm]

FF = "The world is ending but here's a 20 minute cinematic so you understand why"

[pliant monolith]

+1 Rollyson

[odd tree]

i go for crit because i like seeing big flashy numbers

[pulsar granite]

Does setting my loot spec to prot mean I won't loot dps trinkets?

[drifting fable]

you still wouldnt prio crit over ilvl or haste so i guess once youve exhausted all that then you can hit the sims

yes you will loot tank trinkets unless they drop for everyone

[novel temple]

BIG DAM

[warm plinth]

Yes and no. Some trinkets drop for multiple loot specs

[odd tree]

unga bunga strong

[novel temple]

Sort of reminds me of when we got devastator as a talent in legion but also before that. When we had the extra crit for shield slam and what not

[pulsar granite]

I'm trying to prot offspec as well as SMF main spec and figured I'd just permanently be in prot loot spec so I don't get two-handers

[novel temple]

But I never got an answer from like Sal and other prot theorycrafters

[warm plinth]

Check dungeon journal and set it to each loot spec and you'll see what drops for what

[drifting fable]

generally you wont get the actual good dps trinks in tank spec tho

but ye it depends

[pulsar granite]

Suppose I'll just run current spec then

At least until I'm satisfied with main spec gear

[drifting fable]

at least fury you still get 1Hs so eh

not the end of the world

[pulsar granite]

It started feeling bad after I got three ilvl upgrade 2-H lol. Thanks for the help <3

[novel temple]

BIG DAM GANG UNGA BUNGA STRONK

[hexed obsidian]

do we take molten shield or hearth shield?

[noble wind]

Have our stat weights changed?

[heavy temple]

can you put 1 main stat gem in your lariat?

that wont do any harm or?

[woeful cypress]

can anyone link me the 1 button stance change macro

i cant find

[warm plinth]

It's in the pins; scroll down

[still flame]

what are the must-have macros you guys use? except for avatar + demo

[warm plinth]

ava+demo is not a macro you should be using

[still flame]

no?

why not?

[novel temple]

Sometimes it won’t come up together

[warm plinth]

because you use them on CD; you don't go out of your way to use them together

[vestal torrent]

Blood fury ava

[novel temple]

Sometimes you also don’t talent into thunder lord or booming voice

[jagged pier]

u always talent into booming

u dont talent into TLs

[novel temple]

I mean yeah but some people don’t

Now I talent into BV always but I’ve seen other prot warriors not do it

On god

[drifting fable]

you also dont want to tie ava to a GCD on prot

which is why i assume that macro is still floating around

since demo used to be off gcd

[novel temple]

That’s another thing that should come off the GCD

Defensive/offensives

[sterile bough]

bois I'd have a question what am I missing

why is my stamina so low

[novel temple]

Gimme my old one shot macro back

[novel temple]

What’s your ilvl and your talents?

[sterile bough]

my friend has 372 ilvl and has 17k

[novel temple]

What’s your health total at?

[drifting fable]

i dont think ive ever looked at my stamina stat tbh

[warm plinth]

It's not low

[sterile bough]

338k

[warm plinth]

That is literally the last stat you should pay attention to

[novel temple]

Why ilvl pieces do you have in each slot

Some pieces have higher stats than others

[warm plinth]

Short answer: your friend has higher high budget pieces and you have higher low budget pieces

[sterile bough]

all above 370

but he has like 40k more hp than me?

[odd tree]

talents?

[warm plinth]

He's probably using Enduring Alacrity

[drifting fable]

again, dont stress over stam

really

[sterile bough]

the issue is that some mechanic

just take like 100% ignore pain and 50% of my hp

[warm plinth]

and endurance training

[sterile bough]

like on jade temple

the fucking calws

and the other spell

[warm plinth]

HP is not something you literally ever think about

[drifting fable]

well i havent played that dung on prot yet but im gonna go ahead and say its not a stamina issue

[warm plinth]

Like pretend it doesn't exist

[novel temple]

Is that the other?

[sterile bough]

thats mine

[warm plinth]

No offense to you but holy shit are people overthinking this spec lol.

[gusty perch]

what's the name of the crazy fire damage trinket again? You get it off a mob in azure span

[sterile bough]

ye the mobs are overtuned thats the issue

[warm plinth]

Integrated Primal Fire? That one?

[gusty perch]

thank you!'

[sterile bough]

some of my deaths

[mellow quartz]

when you see someone putting a +17 NO in group finder and they havent done more than a 15 before you know it will be a good time

[sterile bough]

dark calw is being spammed by the mobs

every 5 sec

[sweet summit]

reflect it

and kite when u can't

[mellow quartz]

there are 3 of them, they dont each cast it every 5s

[sterile bough]

like only the last pack is the issue there

but I go in

[edgy grail]

You run

[sterile bough]

pumpt dps

stun casts

all defensives up

once cds over

I RUN

but the issue is they spawn a lot of small mobs which are killing dpses

[warm plinth]

So can I ask why instead of acknowledging that the pack is just overtuned, you started being overly concerned about how much stamina you have?

Not everything is your fault my friend

[sterile bough]

u can always improve

blaming blizzard for failing key is kinda bad strat

[warm plinth]

sure but if you're getting to the point of asking about how much stamina you have...

[toxic pewter]

you guys think using valor on shield is good idea

seems like a good use of it right?

[mellow quartz]

the last pack in TJS is overtuned yes, similar to 2nd boss in NO

damn shit ticks for 25k every 1s party wide on a 17

[warm plinth]

I'd say so, provided you're not upgrading a shield from a +2 or something

[toxic pewter]

yah its a +11 shield

[silk bridge]

Are embellishments still not important? Pinned says maybe +0.5-1% per embellishment

[cinder storm]

Hmm, what if you get a shield on your first vault

[deft mortar]

bruh

how many times will they nerf protwarr

[loud patrol]

ill be sadge

man i thought they nerfed us again lmao

[warm plinth]

https://tenor.com/bbFmP.gif

[lusty tiger]

XD

[deft mortar]

not my problem other tanks are trying to tank without a fkn shield

[warm plinth]

Surprised you're still playing the spec; it's total garbage now

[deft mortar]

or armor

[warm plinth]

Deadge spec

[deft mortar]

the fkn role icon is a shield and every clown class is tryna tank with their fists, their wings. or their claws

[sturdy sable]

Apparently the only way to get max ilvl gear outa mythic plus outside of boxes is valour

[loud patrol]

total garbo

[cinder storm]

I wrote on a post on r/competitivewow that several top teams will do a 20 first week, got down voted to hell...

[loud patrol]

plz someone call mwahi to pin that this spec is dead and disenchanted

[sturdy sable]

Last 3 upgrades and valour is capped

[warm plinth]

Imagine people thinking 20s weren't going to be done first week 😂

[loud patrol]

bold of you to give an opinion different to the echo chamber in reddit

[warm plinth]

And just think, this is the B squad doing keys right now

[silk bridge]

PEople are paying 400k for a +10 in some places... makes sense they dont think a +20 is possible

[torpid solstice]

Hi guys,
What alch trinket is btr for port warrior?
The versa one or haste?

[sturdy sable]

Didn't you know that subreddit is where real knowledgeable ppl go to be oustrisized

[warm plinth]

Most of the top teams are busy in RWF right now

[loud patrol]

haste

[cinder storm]

I learned my lesson

[deft mortar]

wait ppl rly thought m20 werent going to be done in the first weak? absolute clowns

[warm plinth]

@ionic fern I hate when annoying people are decent at the game

[deft mortar]

kekw literally can gear up to 408 to do them

[warm plinth]

also hi ily

[deft mortar]

• it's decent affixes this week

[loud patrol]

how dare they

[gentle acorn]

any one know how the ruby whelp shell works? do we want to use it on enemy, allie or nothing?

[pastel sleet]

if i craft elemental lariat now without an infusion, will it cost me another spark to add an infusion?

[warm plinth]

No, recrafts don't require sparks, just the initial craft

[feral musk]

Any guides on what to use spark on as warrior 🙂
Besides the neck ofc

[pastel sleet]

i hear the neck is kinda what everyone is doing

[sick sentinel]

literally just do whatever you need

We’ll get at least 5 sparks

[feral musk]

So is there any guides? 🙂

[warm plinth]

The pins has recommendations

but realistically just use your sparks on where you're failing with ilevel

Prioritize shield/weapon since those are your two most impactful slots

[feral musk]

Well have those on almost 400ilvl

So just thinking if there is anything big besides neck

[edgy grail]

Pants seem decent?

But tier goes there

The vers embellishments aren’t bad either

[feral musk]

Yeh prob need tier there so

[heavy temple]

How much ilvl would you need a ring to have to replace the defensive cobalt assembly ring, it can be around 10-12% recovery from the proc alone.

[edgy grail]

Neck seems like best choice, especially esrly since you cant tell where you’ll get tier

And neck also works if you play like fury

Unlike shield

[sick sentinel]

If they don’t nerf it by 80% it’ll be bis for entire patch

[feral musk]

Well already have the neck, thats why im asking what there is besides the neck please

[sick sentinel]

Same goes to the turtle trinket

Anyone know of a crafter who can make the elemental lariat?

[odd tree]

guild leader just sold the recipe for 2m on A52

so no

don't know a crafter with it

[pliant maple]

How much is prot self heal? Or is it mostly mitigation?

[gentle acorn]

mostly mitigation

[odd tree]

indom + 10% leech

[gentle acorn]

but they do have some self sustain now, but not dh blood dk etc levels

[edgy grail]

Impending victory

Is kinda nice

[pliant maple]

Word. I’m playing vdh now

[gentle acorn]

also we have pain and gain

[pliant maple]

I like them playstyle wise, but the aesthetics are not for me I don’t think

[odd tree]

impending is clutch

[edgy grail]

So nice when you sre initially gather and our of range of healer

[sick sentinel]

Just found someone charging 400k.

[pliant maple]

Did y’all level prot or a dps spec

[edgy grail]

Prot bc I spammed dungeons

[odd tree]

price depends on server i imagine

prot, gather all the mobs and aoe down

[sick sentinel]

Yea rare recipe right now. Apprently this person spent 9mil on the recipe

[odd tree]

ah, and is selling the neck for 400k?

gotta get that ROI

[sick sentinel]

What's roi?

Also I put armor spikes on molten defender what are people putting on the neck?

[cinder storm]

Return on investment

[sick sentinel]

Oh yes

They iwll make a lot of money I'm sure

What is "infuse with power" slot what goes in there?

[stark fox]

lmao. It's still the best tank for M+

[warm plinth]

I was memeing.

[grave crane]

its actually not bear is sleeper rager right now

[south mural]

Can anyone help me out with spell reflectable abilities? The spreadsheet isn’t updated unless I’m looking at the wrong one 🤷🏼‍♂️

[warm plinth]

The one in the pins is updated

The one in the faq channel isn't (or wasn't last I checked)

[south mural]

Thank you very much, newer to discord and didn’t know where pins were

[warm plinth]

❤️

[long stone]

can someone help me with the big zephyrhit ?

Dathea , make it - i spot, but if shes do it again the debuff is still active

[proud dock]

use 3 haste gems for neck, right?

[novel temple]

With the lariat, I’d just swap to jewelcrafting honestly or level an alt with JC

[odd tree]

i told him the same thing

[novel temple]

Cause unless you’re actively gonna use that initial and make more off of it, it’s not gonna beat the order maximum for lariat

Public work order plus potential guild orders with another guild

[oblique garnet]

Your guild leader got robbed

2m is pennies

[edgy grail]

I have friend with 1 gold capped toon working on 2nd

[craggy pilot]

lul i love the market the Lariat has become 🤣

people crafting it for 200k+

[slim dove]

haste vers or haste crit for elemental lariat boys

big decisions

[edgy grail]

I went haste crit

Bc better for fury

If only prot prob vers

[pure hazel]

is anyone here playing sonic boom + rumbling earth?

[slim dove]

no

[pure hazel]

why tho, feels like the dmg is insane

it did almost 5m in my last key

[craggy pilot]

dragon roar + thunderous words does equal if not more dmg, if you include the 15% bonus to DW+Rend

[odd tree]

also burning an aoe stop for dmg tends to be bad

[slim dove]

your fucking stun DR and wasting a stop for damage.

please dont use shockwave for dam

[odd tree]

especially in pugs where you can't trust folks to interrupt a stun on the tank

[pure hazel]

im not losing dragon roar

just the bleed buff

[craggy pilot]

???

you have more points than the rest of us?

[pure hazel]

nah im dropping the 5% leech

• dot buff

[jagged pier]

the conversation ends at u are using a stop for damage

[craggy pilot]

thats also a pretty huge talent to drop

5% leech is big

[jagged pier]

how are u getting to AA speed then?

[toxic gyro]

You lose on rend and deep wounds dmg too

[craggy pilot]

its the bottom talent (1h spec)

[pure hazel]

i mean obv i wouldnt use it to push, but just looking at dmg output here

[odd tree]

made the same face

[jagged pier]

no if he doesnt take leech he cant take furious blows

[ivory kiln]

the other leech

he's not taking one-h spec

[pure hazel]

ye

[jagged pier]

so loosing 5% damage to everything as well then

thats not worth it

[craggy pilot]

oh ye 1h spec is 5% dmg also 😄 i forgot haha

[ivory kiln]

not disagreeing, but is it really 5% dmg or just AA dmg

[dawn marsh]

Heya I kind of don't fully understand this mechanic from the Nokhud Stormcloud boss, so you actually really don't want to kill the balls with your circles that spawn?

[odd tree]

yea, do what you want, its just not a great pick

[fading tide]

Hello in the shadow moon dungeon am I supposed to tanking the worm adds at the worm boss? Or do I just ignore them.

[warm plinth]

No, they give a damage buff that stacks

[craggy pilot]

you general wanna run over them so you get 10 stacks of dmg buff, and then keep running over 1 every 10sec to refresh the duration

[jagged pier]

u ignore them

[warm plinth]

Pretty sure they aren't really tankable. They just do worm stuff

Dps kill them

[dawn marsh]

Aaah yeah that makes sense indeed thanks for the tips!

[fading tide]

Great thanks

[craggy pilot]

🪱

hmm simc is a bit misleading when testing the Shockwave talent, as it doesnt use Shockwave on CD if you talent Sonic Boom 🤔

[fading tide]

I got jade plus 12 key. Is it a nightmare or not to bad

[full venture]

Just make sure you kick the tidal shit

Need a lot of interrupts for that one

[craggy pilot]

whoa, the Simc quick sim only gets out 1 TC during the initial Avatar duration 🤔 is it really that bad in ST?

even with the 50% dmg from UF

[sonic raptor]

i did it on an 11 the last pack is a nightmare so cc and a ton of interrupts

[autumn urchin]

i think nom explained it awhile ago

in ST you basically never tc

but if theres 2+ it instantly becomes better

[craggy pilot]

ye ok checked the quick sim with 5 bosses, and it uses TC 6 times in the initial Avatar window

[autumn urchin]

cant remember if it was nom or someone esle

tht said it

[dapper nest]

SR dark claw as often as yo ucan and it doesn't feel all that bad. Just make sure your group has their interrupt key bound

[fading tide]

Which add does dark claw?

[craggy pilot]

but no clue why it does TC -> Revenge -> SS -> Revenge -> SS -> TC during Avatar 🤔 thought Avatar meant to TC weave?

[dapper nest]

Minion of Doubt @fading tide

I wish we could SR haunting gaze but oh well

[jagged pier]

ur over thinking sims

[craggy pilot]

was just trying to see the prio list to see what im doing wrong during my initial rip of all CDs

since i feel like im dumping 5-6 IP

[proud dock]

icy says frozen or wafting devo but i see people on IO with sphic

wat slh di do

[deep spruce]

Any embellishment pins? whats the guidance with those?

[tender quartz]

We don't have a glove enchant right?

[slim dove]

yes, scroll down in pins a bit

[dawn marsh]

This is one of the first packs in Burial Grounds, so if I understand correctly a Void Spawn can spawn in the midst of one of the 2 packs and the group should scout which one and not go there?

[fallen pulsar]

correct

[dawn marsh]

Thanks

So for the rest it's pretty much symmetrical then I'd assume

[fallen pulsar]

yes

if you look in mdt its the same packs

[deep spruce]

Seems outdated, no info on the helm which was bis on beta

[slim dove]

and was nerfed since.

high ranking m+ chads are doing weapon + fang and elemental lariat.

[sick sentinel]

this one worth using?

2m minutes for basically 18k im not sure about

[slim dove]

absolute trash

[sick sentinel]

all 372 or lower

top is blaze RLP i think trinket

[slim dove]

compass is ok and so is shell for now.

[onyx matrix]

Have you guys got any decent loot from the new raid yet? 😄

[wraith hemlock]

is it me or spikes are doing like no damage?

[jagged pier]

No they do like no damage

[dapper vapor]

Did it get nerfed or something

[jagged pier]

From beta ya

[dapper vapor]

Feels like the +proc -dmg recent live change has shifted it down on my damage too

Like always sub 1%

[strong forum]

cuz its a dps loss to not line it up with avatar

you get +50% dmg during avatar with unstoppable force

but 90% of people dont know that

[placid vale]

Guys, can we put an order for an Elemental Lariat public and ask for quality?

[strong forum]

instead of 20k itll crit for 50k during avatar

[strong forum]

no

[slim dove]

when you crit 5x 60k tclaps

[strong forum]

you send it between TCs

[slim dove]

i spiked 150k on trash in vault and my co-tank called me op

[placid vale]

And how do you get it at higher ilvl if ure not a JC?

[jolly wasp]

Guys is the dodge parry trinket from the raid any good?

[slim dove]

had to unequip shield for terros to make him shut up for a bit

[jolly wasp]

we got it from HC and im not sure if i should need

[strong forum]

i got 4* wwith public order

🤷‍♂️

[strong forum]

its the best tankt trinket in the game

[slim dove]

yeah its yours lmao

[strong forum]

does good dmg, gives 10% haste proc, gives windfury effect on enemies, makes enemies take more dmg and gives you an absorb

[jolly wasp]

cool thanks!!

[cinder storm]

Dodging nerfs like DHs/BDKs

[strong forum]

ya thats unexpected tbh

[jagged pier]

Maybe

Just maybe

They are trying to bring stuff up

Instead of others down

🙏

[slim dove]

this is just the beginning of changes though

can expect more imo

[cinder storm]

Making everyone play what they like? Preposterous, not in my game

[jagged pier]

Or they arent touching anything in RWF

As they are only using prot

[craggy pilot]

whats the play vs the small sha in the end of Temple?

they just hit for 150k each, and cant be blocked or anything?

just stun and kite?

[sweet summit]

reflect claw

or big fuck defensives

and kite when neither are available

[craggy pilot]

hmm, 2% dmg 🤔 but this is without calculating the str buff ofc

my 379 Graal tooth did more dmg

[strong forum]

thatst not even counting the str gain during it*

the main thing is the str during CDs

[craggy pilot]

i said that yes 😄

but the str builds up slowly, so doesnt benefit from the main hit of Dragon roar etc

unless i wait for 6 stacks then pop all

[strong forum]

pop it 10sec before CD

[tender cove]

the first boss in ruby, does the adds interact with her shield? The adds were dying so slow I got frozen and sure I wasn't tanking the adds exactly on top of boss but still confused.

[grizzled zenith]

Hey Guys, how are you? I have a question regarding ignore pain. Should I just hold the up time as high as possible like shield block or do I need to retrigger it the whole time?

And do you have also sometimes problems to hold the aggro in aoe situations?

[craggy pilot]

you shouldnt focus on keeping up Ignore Pain, you only click IgnorePain to prevent going to 100 rage

never any issue with AOE aggro tbh

[craggy pilot]

probably just a dps issue

[tender cove]

they kept raging that "i need to tank the whelps on boss or shield will kill them".
Im guessing its 50/50, they can't get both whelps and shield down without both stacking ontop but yeh, def dps issue xD

but they were implying it had some mechanic with the shield and just confused me

[sweet summit]

don't see a reason tl nlt tank them on boss

and cleave off boss

[tender cove]

yeh, i was just picking them up with leap and was bit slow to go back

[wraith dirge]

Does anyone play protection in rated BGs? Is icy veins reliable source for a build and rotation? Can’t find any info to help me out here, seems niche.

[craggy pilot]

leap+TC

or save Ravager for 1 pack of whelps, and Roar for another

or Shield Charge

[craggy pilot]

probably best bet is to try #pvp

[wraith dirge]

Ty

[tulip kelp]

Is it 11-15 for the Primal Focus?

[sweet summit]

ye

[edgy grail]

Dps issue bc the tank didnt help 👀

Unless there is a mechanic that prevents you, you should be stacking everything anyway

[tulip kelp]

Yeah boss comes to the whelps right away usually

I just jump to whelps and cleave boss on them

[dusty drift]

Quick spark question: Are the BS legs with haste-on-new-target worth running if your sole focus is m+ tanking? Or are the helm a better general choice?

[tulip kelp]

Actually... @tender cove Did you kick the channel? It becomes kickable around 80% through channel

[fading tide]

Anything I need to do special with the additional plus 10 thundering thing

As a tank

[inland mesa]

If your dps are tunneling clear or you'll get stunned

[sick sentinel]

i dunno wtf i did but 42 turn in thingies

[cerulean spear]

guys what point u removing to get the cheat death at the end of the talent tree

if u feel like u need it?

[devout pewter]

guys, decoration of flame is a good trincket ?

[slim dove]

yes

pre sure its good anyways

[glacial eagle]

Anyone have a good route for broodkeeper?

[slim fog]

any good guide on prot warrior in pvp ?

[tired basin]

Start on the outside opposite frost, that's where the adds come from first. Then go clockwise, as the adds do.

[inland mesa]

We going haste/vers or haste/crit on lariat? And then str/haste gems, or pure haste ones?

[slim dove]

im doing haste/vers x2 and mainstat/haste

[tender cove]

yeh, after having redone it on 11. Def a dps issue and not a me issue lol... Ruby just feels so overtuned regardless

thundering is going to same color that flashes on you right? Or is it opposite color?

[sweet summit]

opposite

[tender cove]

okok, ty

[sweet summit]

always 3 positive 2 negative

[icy yarrow]

i pugged today

this came to my party

[chrome falcon]

uhh

is that an agility weapon?

[ionic roost]

it's just a lore free forgestorm

[sweet summit]

incredible

[slim dove]

https://tenor.com/view/sensational-gif-4975652

[eager tartan]

Kekw

disgusting mog too

[neon elk]

Ive seen fury war with intel 2h mace so..

[fair stump]

What should I craft with my sparks, I just found out about them.. been living under a rock

[sick sentinel]

Any of you do leech enchants?

[sweet summit]

ya

i love leech

it is a very cool stat

[slim dove]

nah speed

12% speed > 2% leech imo

[strong forum]

This week I'll take all the leech I can get

It's sometimes pretty scary without a real healer

This week would be so much easier with tierset + working BV ngl

[chrome falcon]

made myself a 405 weapon 😎

gaming

professions own

[slim dove]

GAMIN

[patent hull]

where does the 405 item increase drop, just raid?

[noble lynx]

:yoink:

[strong forum]

I made 405 shield

[strong forum]

11-15s

[chrome falcon]

1. quest to kill razza on normal
2. 10 primal focus, they drop from 11-15 keys or any heroic boss

[woven ether]

anybody got a weakaura for Sudden Death proc?

[slim dove]

3. max rep

[warm plinth]

Bruh

Tf is Luna's discord status rn

[strong forum]

[sweet summit]

max renown

is also a primal infusion

[chrome falcon]

yes that too

[neon elk]

With m+ in game, idk if i would want to drag myself into max renown grind rather than m+. If u didnt do grind before season, just dont do it at all, for infusion.

[chrome falcon]

yeah

some of my guildies got 25 renown

and like cool but

i got the same thing in about 10% of the time by doing keys

(and so did they)

[neon elk]

Yea its just a slug for minmaxers and those that got waaay to much free time during first 2 weeks

[sick sentinel]

Hey has anyone tanked Temple of the Jade Serpent yet? Right ebfore the end boss that group spawns a million little guys that get totally out of control how do you prevent that?

[sweet summit]

kill them

[sick sentinel]

You can't prevent the actual spawning of the little guys?

[sweet summit]

no

[sick sentinel]

Ok thanks.

Ok thanks.

[glacial eagle]

do you guys swap on 2 or 3 stacks on dathea? all guides say 2 but the debuff doesn't expire until 3 for our team

[sick sentinel]

Anyone know the name of the current best strength gem for prismatic socket?

[tulip kelp]

What should my hps look like at end of average dungeon?

[craggy pilot]

any boss reflects in the current M+ season that are giga enough for me to make a WA to remember it? 🤔

[neon elk]

It might also be a sign of bad play

[sweet summit]

high hps is a sign of a lot of damage taken

[gritty swallow]

nokhud second boss can get good reflect damage

[neon elk]

That boss is pure cancer ngl

[gritty swallow]

i mean yeah

[trim siren]

What version of Primal Ritual Shell is top damage for people? I can't seem to sim it.

[gritty swallow]

but if you have to run out of melee boss casts reflectable spell that does big dam back

[tulip kelp]

I'm averaging around 10K HPS but my healer says he did some runs with another warrior who was averaging 20K hps and that I'm doing something wrong

[sweet summit]

can't say for sure without logs

[tulip kelp]

Not really.. sometimes tho

Usually dps dying

[errant sedge]

Deepends on your pulls how much you heal

[warm plinth]

So many questions that don't need answers

[tulip kelp]

Yeah we did 2 star on a 9 and he was still complaining lol

But I'm def aware there's a lot I gotta improve

[craggy pilot]

what do we reflect on Chillworn in Pools? the Cold Claws?

[warm plinth]

Looking at HPS to gauge how a prot warrior is doing 💤

[icy citrus]

So guys i know lot of us ask, but whats the conclusion, what to craft?

[sweet summit]

pins

[deft mortar]

normally I'd reroll after reading the warr nerfs

But there is rly no other tank xd

[sweet summit]

lol

[deft mortar]

lmaoo

i am at december 12 nerfs yet

there is anything further is there?

yeah mooman me too

I'd prefer going 3 tank 2 dps instead this

ikr

5 tanks ahh

nobody dies to random mechanics

Protection Warrior (S+-Tier)
Vengeance Demon Hunter (S-Tier)
Blood Death Knight (A-Tier)
Guardian Druid (A-Tier)
Protection Paladin (A-Tier)
Brewmaster Monk (B-Tier)

LMAO

Brewmaster Monks are just a 2nd, weaker DPS spec

Should just put on some plate armor and grab a shield at this point

Clearly kung fu isnt working

[weary python]

Into the fray vs heavy repercussions in M+? Do we have enough haste that this point to not take heavy repercussions?

[slim dove]

what ench we goin for MH, finally got one from m+

[weary python]

Yeah I've been running ITF, but the pinned build says HR so I was wondering

[limpid anchor]

Primary stat or frozen

[slim dove]

which is better

+20 dude had frozen

[limpid anchor]

Frozen is better for st

So prob frozen overall

[tender cove]

3 ruby depletes in a row...rough night 😦

[limpid anchor]

Ruby is a shit dungeon tbf

Feels so overtuned compred to the others

[slim dove]

it feels fine till some idiot pulls a dragon

but yeah its a bit oof

[cinder storm]

Second boss takes so long, going to be fun on tyrannical

[limpid anchor]

Maybe my grp is doing it wrong

But every pack on top almost wipes us kek

[slim dove]

gonna be jogging around the map lmao

[tender cove]

the healer struggled a bit entire run but got worse and worse and I think he just lost his nerves because he kept saying "sorry sorry" and playing worse and worse xD

[limpid anchor]

Very heal heavy

Poor healers

[cinder storm]

Lucky for us there's a fountain on the opposite side to catch a break lol

[worldly wing]

haste vers sword or the one with the proc?

[limpid anchor]

Sim it

[cinder storm]

I ran an 11 with my disc friend, 470 ilvl but she was malding haha that made my night

[limpid anchor]

I would take hast Vers just bcs mastery sucks

[worldly wing]

i said that to myself as i typed this

[sick sentinel]

my gut reaction is the proc weapon when at same ilvl

probably

[slim dove]

proc weapon is pretty bad.

[cinder storm]

Proc rate is very low tho

[sick sentinel]

its like another devestator without the reset effects

[slim dove]

and mastery is doodoo

[limpid anchor]

Is an attack just an auto?

Or every spell as well

[wary heath]

do you guys have any strateigies for filling the vault with the highest gear? (besides just doing the highest you can do obviously), like for example, Algethar academy to me seems easy this week, so can i just do it 8 times at the highest possible, and it has the same effect as me doing random high keys ?

[sick sentinel]

"your attacks" tends to be revenge ss etc

[fading tide]

Just tanked my first ever plus 10(Jade temple) one day I’ll be as good as u guys. Jade temple gets crazy quick lmfao

[cinder storm]

Just do the highest you can, chances are your highest vault will be your pick

[cinder storm]

That last pack humbled me

[sick sentinel]

guys so I wanna get a sheild off of the ah and idk where to find it

[limpid anchor]

The last pack is a lust pull for me

[fading tide]

What was your play with the left pack, the one with the 2 ranged dudes

[limpid anchor]

Before the last boss?

Just charge in

Interrupt tidal burst

They don’t do anything else

[fading tide]

No fear of pulling the other packs?

[cinder storm]

Pull and call for kicks, but dps always pull right pack so

[limpid anchor]

Nah

But you can pull them back

After interrupt

Not necessary tho

[sick sentinel]

found it

[limpid anchor]

I pull the right back out a bit

[cinder storm]

It's not as dangerous as last pack, can be chained from both sides

[limpid anchor]

To avoid stupid dhs

[cinder storm]

They see me skippin

They pullin

Dh got me drivin crazy

[limpid anchor]

@cinder storm did you do a higher nokhud key?

[fading tide]

Is Jade considered on the hard end or easy end for this week? Just curious how the other dungeon are gonna compare on plus 10

[limpid anchor]

I think easy

Only difficult pull is the last pack before the last boss

[slim dove]

its easy with a group that presses buttons.

last pack can brick keys if your all too mongo

[limpid anchor]

You gotta have interrupts tho

[slim dove]

but you can cheat and kite it at 30%

[warm plinth]

I'll kite you at 30%

gottem

[slim dove]

:ooo:

[cinder storm]

Not yet, was just faming keys 6-8, people say NO gets crazy after 12

[limpid anchor]

Mhm ye

I just wonder if I do smth wrong

As the packs in the water area onetap me :D

[cinder storm]

You might, but also need to chain kick the other guy, only time I struggle there was with a shammy heals

[neon elk]

Tried 12 nokhund today, couldnt get past 2nd boss , storm ele.

[limpid anchor]

The bosses seem fine

[devout pewter]

Battle-Scarred Veteran: Has anyone tried it? Me when I go below 30, no buff appears, nothing at all...

[jolly wasp]

the storm elemental boss looks hard until you understand how it works, you basically need to stagger the soaking of orbs to reach and mantain as many stacks as possible

[limpid anchor]

Except that the last one can pull you in while quaking

[warm plinth]

Probably because it's broken

It procs off pre-mitigation damage. It's probably not buffing you because it's on CD.

Can literally proc at full HP

[devout pewter]

really ? XD

[warm plinth]

yep

[devout pewter]

what an ugly talent

[limpid anchor]

Very sad that it’s bugged

Would like to have it in some dungeons

[sage sun]

can you remove embellishments?

[mortal brook]

recraft it

and yeah just remove during recraft

or change to new optional

like a flavor pocket!

thats only for optional reagent ones tho

i cant remove the embellish effect that comes baseline from a specialty piece

[sick sentinel]

what build do I want to be runing

[warm plinth]

@mortal brook hi cute stuff

[mortal brook]

hey ghash!

wowhead guide and pins have several builds

[warm plinth]

we got some builds in those pins for ya my friend

[sick sentinel]

okey

ty

[fluid shard]

i have a question for you guys concerning the Primal Council fight. So the 1 important swap is on Opalfang so he's moving between the two tanks. Now since I guess you want all bosses stacked on top of each other, how do tanks usually handle keeping threat on 2 targets in a tightly stacked pack? Am i overcomplicating this and in reality each tank has 1 important boss on them at a time and sometimes 3 of them might be hitting me, or just one?

[mossy mortar]

i generally had threat on 3 of them and we just swapped flame and opal it didnt really feel bad because kick rotations on the lighting one.

never felt in trouble at all.

[wide charm]

Do you recommend BSV in 15 ? i will ocasionnaly have 1 really big hit but not that often so idk

[fluid shard]

nice, thanks for your answer pops!

[mossy mortar]

only if you feel you need it right now.

[warm plinth]

BSV is broken and not worth taking in any content right now.

[sage sun]

i wnat to remove it to get elemental lariat. its possible?

[wide charm]

In what sense is it broken ?

[warm plinth]

It procs based on pre-mitigation damage

Meaning it can and will proc when you are at full HP

[mortal brook]

Like you have a shield with armor spikes makeing it embellished? Yeah just recraft and remove the spikes.

Then you free up an embellished to wear a lariat, etc

[craggy pilot]

Dark Claw is melee attack correct?

[wide charm]

But is it intended ?

[craggy pilot]

in last boss temple

[warm plinth]

No

[wide charm]

ok ty

[warm plinth]

It's magic

[sage sun]

don't see any options to remove it in the UI

[warm plinth]

What item are you trying to remove the embellishment from

[sage sun]

shield

[warm plinth]

which shield

[sage sun]

primal molten

[mortal brook]

In the recraft window for it?

Just right click off the embellishment

[sage sun]

yeah in the recraft window

cant right click

[mortal brook]

Can you replace it with a flavor pocket?

[craggy pilot]

is it avoidable though?

[mortal brook]

Flavor pocket isnt an embellished but should be able to override

[sage sun]

yeah possibly ill try that

[warm plinth]

No idea. You can reflect it.

[sick sentinel]

So the lashers on the academy boss... does melee just need to fuck off to narnia in half a second after stacking then or whats the play to not have anyone get instantaneously one shot before you can get a 2nd global out

[warm plinth]

Looking at logs, no it's not avoidable

[edgy grail]

Yes it is

You can kite 🙂

[warm plinth]

Or they could not be total morons and give you a second to get aggro

[sleek current]

Living the high life now boys.