and if you are like my guild, 5 shield are gonna drop the first time you kill it
#protection
plush tendon
ionic roost
pretty sure Lariat is worse than the other options, at least for keys
sick sentinel
In-case you dont raid, then makes it relevant to craft a high level shield. At this point.
ionic roost
pretty sure Lariat is worse than the other options, at least for keys
Bracers Pants gang
plush tendon
In-case you dont raid, then makes it relevant to craft a high level shield. At t...
then you can 🙂
but need to find someone with shield specilization
hushed harbor
Any recommendations for that last trash pack in TOTJS? I feel like I had max IP, block, wall, def stance, just throwing everything at it, and when the large mob spawned more of the little ones I got chunked down hard.
sick sentinel
then you can 🙂
i went deep into shield specialization, so i was about to regret my life choices.
ionic roost
Any recommendations for that last trash pack in TOTJS? I feel like I had max IP,...
the small ones explode on death
just dont kill them all at once
dusk loom
Can prob just do first boss on any difficulty for a shield (not saying right now) as the first boss is usually free
lyric elm
Any recommendations for that last trash pack in TOTJS? I feel like I had max IP,...
it's truly cancer haha
plush tendon
Eggnog is really free
lyric elm
eggnog is like drinking pure christmas
plush tendon
same with Terros
ionic roost
eggnog is like drinking pure christmas
thats why i call it Christmas Cum
uncut notch
Any recommendations for that last trash pack in TOTJS? I feel like I had max IP,...
Strap in and wait for the nerfs
hushed harbor
the small ones explode on death
Oh crap so we cant just AOE the little shits down the DPS has to THINK? I would have rathered you told me I was trash lol
lyric elm
ionic roost
Oh crap so we cant just AOE the little shits down the DPS has to THINK? I would ...
youre trash 🙂
hushed harbor
Thank you I feel much better now
cobalt grove
@dusk loom kite them out of pools of crap. Interrupt and stun as well. And spell reflect judiciously.
ionic roost
Strap in and wait for the nerfs
idk Jade felt pretty free once you play it more than once, my groups first key of it was a 12 and it was rough essentially blind, then our 13 we got later we 2 chested it
lyric elm
only the first boss is hard
cobalt grove
Yeah that place is all about just knowing what to kick and what to kite
tender cove
for the small price of 8.8 million, you can buy several lariat designs and start printing your own money.
hushed harbor
Can the big mob be interrupted/stunned before splitting off the small mobs?
cobalt grove
The water ele?
lyric elm
well overall i like the dungeons a lot more than shadowlands
cobalt grove
I don't believe so
hushed harbor
The one before the last boss in Jade. The one that spawns the xploders.
cobalt grove
But the little adds can be stunned, just don't stand in pools that go down when they die.
Oh
Yes
Yes they can
They can be cc'ed in general
deft hazel
man pugging is a pain xd, why every pug dps doing sub 20k overall
sweet summit
i would not play this game if i had to pug 🙂
dusky canopy
Pug life is rough some times
Right now you don’t have score to help sort out the bads
lyric elm
yea
dusky canopy
And most people doing 12s and up are with there groups
safe shale
I think the biggest issue with pugs isn't even their damage, it's the interrupts, which is wiping them.
dusky canopy
Totally
Kicks season
Basically have to run melee comp when pugging and hope for the best
lyric elm
i watched dorki a bit with 16+. he's basically a raid leader organizing all the stops they have in order
or they just instantly die
sweet summit
i have to do that too
it is not fun
idek if the dps players know what they are kicking and stopping
lyric elm
and they die anyway, that said. its not easy
sweet summit
since they don't if i don't say anything
lyric elm
like he just falls over
jade pulsar
unbuffed stats in battle stance, is okay
feel like i need to get some more vers
jagged pier
no
jade pulsar
that no is towards me, or?
dusky canopy
Blizzard thinks they slick.
They’re like ok fine we’ll give you back uncapped aoe, then proceeds to make a shit ton of casters that have to be ccd or you die.
Community Trolled hard
jagged pier
i have to do that too
yer my GM got me into groups today and was like well the tank usually calls the stops, i said im not going to do that it was left at that XD
jagged pier
that no is towards me, or?
yes
lyric elm
kicks are fine but its better with interesting mechanics
you might as well have all the mobs have abilities with "kick this or die instantly" because you'll never see the mechanic anyway
safe shale
I mean, even with all melee and a pally healer it's not even guaranteed lol
sturdy sable
idek if the dps players know what they are kicking and stopping
Thats been my life all these dps think "oh bolt cast thats a tank problem" little do they fucking know its gonna 1 shot someone else
ionic roost
yer my GM got me into groups today and was like well the tank usually calls the ...
our group usually has DPS calling stops
dusky canopy
feel like i need to get some more vers
My guy just go for ilvl and optimize gameplay instead = win
jagged pier
yer better for this week at least imo for a dps to do it
sweet summit
Thats been my life all these dps think "oh bolt cast thats a tank problem" littl...
raging bolt on random target not my problem :clueless:
lyric elm
Thats been my life all these dps think "oh bolt cast thats a tank problem" littl...
i hope dps will be trained this season to kick, the shitters wont of course, but people capable of thinking will learn it
jagged pier
imma trying not to die
sturdy sable
imma trying not to die
My whole week so far has been me finishing off packs while the group runs back
Soloed a few bosses down from 20%
Its been trying
safe shale
I've been taking the cheat death talent a lot sooner than I thought I would lol
obsidian path
raging bolt on random target not my problem :clueless:
Just press Spell Reflect, it won't be an issue for you at least 
dusky canopy
I mean, even with all melee and a pally healer it's not even guaranteed lol
I’ve had the best luck pugging with HDH rogue and WWmonk all kinds of cc to go around doesn’t need to be super coordinated
uneven mason
My whole week so far has been me finishing off packs while the group runs back
I have a macro that says
"Every time you mastur...miss an interrupt god kills a DPS" that I tap whenever someone eats floor
sturdy sable
Im gonna have to do that
tender cove
having the cancer dragons in ruby having their aoe scale with raging is just a pure dick move....
uneven mason
People start paying attention
dusky canopy
Guys think about this.. they made taking kick optional in some cases AND added a shit ton of kicks..
sturdy sable
I usually start a key and most pulls by just saying "kicks saves lives" then just repeat that every time someone hits the floor
dusky canopy
obsidian path
having the cancer dragons in ruby having their aoe scale with raging is just a p...
Had the same issue in Azure Vault, something shards while enraged onehsoted our healer
sweet summit
thats frontal on tank
jade pulsar
My guy just go for ilvl and optimize gameplay instead = win
i mean, im kinda doing that already, but looking at what enchants/sockets i can swing the stats tells me i could use some vers
sweet summit
you need to stun that cast
minor helm
uneven mason
Had the same issue in Azure Vault, something shards while enraged onehsoted our ...
On the last boss?
obsidian path
On trash
sweet summit
it's the rock boys' frontal
dusky canopy
i mean, im kinda doing that already, but looking at what enchants/sockets i can ...
Don’t over think secondaries a little extra Vers doesn’t make you live in your situation but playing better will
sick sentinel
what should be the strat for killing overgrown goliath in algethar??? A burn boss and interupts single target, or B everyone stacks and we aoe adds?
obsidian path
On the round platforms
uneven mason
Oh right hah
deft vessel
what I most dislike about the new dungeons is that there's a ton of dangerous or annoying casts, but a majority of the mobs that use them are stun immune and use uninterruptable casts
sick sentinel
i wiped a bunch on a zero to him last night some how
plush tendon
Remember, its only day 2; people are still learning 🙂
jade pulsar
Don’t over think secondaries a little extra Vers doesn’t make you live in your s...
ye agreed
deft vessel
so like, okay, I guess I'll just not do anything about it, great, thanks blizz, I love not having counterplay to mechancis
uneven mason
i wiped a bunch on a zero to him last night some how
Literally soloable zero
sick sentinel
k
obsidian path
what I most dislike about the new dungeons is that there's *a ton* of dangerous ...
Worst is ruby casters that go immune when they are near death
deft vessel
Worst is ruby casters that go immune when they are near death
the amount of spinny nonsense is also quite annoying, but yeah 😦
sick sentinel
i didn't ask if you could solo it
jade pulsar
No salt at all this is the hard truth for 99% of players myself included <:okayg...
yeah np mate i agree with what you're saying 😛
plush tendon
Everything in RLP after first boss is pain
sweet summit
Remember, its only day 2; people are still learning 🙂
let me be mad 
obsidian path
I feel like every expansion is the worse for melee life
All the shit on the floor in melee 
sweet summit
yea
plush tendon
We also give out our condolences to our healer friends who got double quacking on the last boss in there
dusky canopy
Is it just me or do all 4 of the new dungeons just suck to run in keys
I prefer the 4 legacy
To many kicks in the new ones
sick sentinel
like, this is why i get pissed off some times im asking a legit question and some dude is just fuckin like, (and the only guy respond atm) "just go fuckin solo it"
sweet summit
i don't hate them
dusky canopy
Fears stuns etc
uneven mason
I feel like every expansion is the worse for melee life
Still somehow seeing rogues dk and warriors destroying meters
fluid shard
super enjoying the dungeons as tank right now but hell, way too many adds jumping to ranged players
sweet summit
RLP is a bit overtuned hehe
sick sentinel
like jesus
plush tendon
RLP is straight pain
just needs a couple of targeted nerfs on specific mobs
then I think its fine
dusky canopy
Try doing academy tree boss without mass aoe
plush tendon
its really just the ring that is so brutal
dusky canopy
sweet summit
need the red dragon enrage to be purgable/soothable 🙏
plush tendon
At least you know that key is won or lost at the tree
modern brook
RLP is a bit overtuned hehe
I love new pfp
obsidian path
need the red dragon enrage to be purgable/soothable 🙏
Which one ?
sick sentinel
the dragon on the ring of RLP solo'd my entire party
sweet summit
the big red dragon
sick sentinel
killed 3 + people with just breath alone
ionic roost
tbh RLP i find the trash is fine
obsidian path
Last boss ?
sweet summit
I love new pfp
plush tendon
The red dragon isnt as scary as the storm dragon
modern brook
The one that does pulsing damage that stacks?
sweet summit
yea that one bull
dusky canopy
the big red dragon
Is this noms new nickname?
obsidian path
The last boss' mount enrages ?
modern brook
The red dragon isnt as scary as the storm dragon
Storm dragon is easy don't stand in the breath
modern brook
Is this noms new nickname?
Disrespectful smhmh
plush tendon
yea, but the storm dragon is sneaking
sick sentinel
"just go solo it!!!!!" asking about boss advice lmfao
dusky canopy
Skipp red dragon if possible
modern brook
how do you even skip the dragons
Just die to them :^)
sweet summit
don't wanna
sick sentinel
holy crap thats the best advice i've ever recieved
plush tendon
I think you can skip em
sick sentinel
why didnt i think of that??
dusky canopy
Disrespectful smhmh
I keed I keed ❤️ nom
modern brook
we tried shrouding on the inside
They see invis
dusky canopy
I just walk by red dragon when it flys up
modern brook
but we got past it
Huuuh?
sweet summit
you can walk on the inside
dusky canopy
Sometimes he’s on the ground waiting but he will fly up again
sick sentinel
oh well, if i have to do mythic +, especially cuz i didnt do ANY legion
im gunna be asking like, a million god damn questions about these dungeons
modern brook
the channeler or w/e does not have truesight
Huh. Wild
plush tendon
If there is anyway to skip that dragon Ill be so happy
dusky canopy
Shadow moon and temple are basically free ++s
sweet summit
temple fucks
dusky canopy
Nah just get past first boss
modern brook
My hot temple take
plush tendon
First boss isnt even that bad
uneven mason
oh well, if i have to do mythic +, especially cuz i didnt do ANY legion
Sorry, snark off, you mean the overgrown ancient?
modern brook
Is it's only hard cause people don't want to use their cc cause it doesn't do damage
dusky canopy
It is when your melee stand in water
plush tendon
those two pandas in the second boss room kill my friends
sick sentinel
i know temple inside out and backwards besides how to tell which boss is going to spawn on book side
plush tendon
and then all the trash to last boss
plush tendon
It is when your melee stand in water
we never had issue with that, even on beta
dusky canopy
Honestly reworked HoV is pretty free too
plush tendon
I think its just a learning thing right now on that boss
sick sentinel
its okay, i heard someone say entire group stacks one location you can AOE the adds before they can do anything
sweet summit
HoV is cool
sick sentinel
so i'll try that
dusky canopy
Hell yeah love it
calm sapphire
SMV is my current favourite
slim dove
Mechanically they're all free.
sweet summit
SMB is "fun" bc it's free tho
slim dove
Numbers get out of control on a few packs
plush tendon
There are specfic pulls that I find fun
sick sentinel
dragon boss before final in jade temple has always been a deletes random players fight
tender cove
HoV is cool
def my favorite so far but havent gotten a court key yet
dusky canopy
SMB is "fun" bc it's free tho
I agree it’s only because it’s so easy
plush tendon
the first big pull in RLP
calm sapphire
Last boss on RLP apparently turns everyone in my groups into helpless idiots
plush tendon
fantastic
green sparrow
what item are yall crafting?
sick sentinel
i can remember that was a boss that would kill tons of players in pandaria heroics
tender cove
RLP is nice but its just overtuned and not fun to play.
sweet summit
what item are yall crafting?
lariat + weapon/shield is good
obsidian path
Last boss on RLP apparently turns everyone in my groups into helpless idiots
It's a fight that gets even messier for each mistake
plush tendon
RLP is like "things were good, then it got worse..... and then it got even worse'
sweet summit
yeah LOL
tender cove
Azure is my least favorite so far
dusky canopy
Shield/lariat gamer
plush tendon
Azure is a trek
dusky canopy
green sparrow
lariat + weapon/shield is good
i had a 385 strike twice drop, so im not sure
ionic roost
what item are yall crafting?
Bracers/Pants for m+, Bracers/Lariat for raid
calm sapphire
If I had a penny for each time everyone else died and I had to solo the last 15% of RLP's last boss
plush tendon
but I dont think its terrible
calm sapphire
I'd have two pennies. Which is not a lot, but it's weird it's happened twice.
sweet summit
we've only done an 11 azure so idk how bad it gets when it goes higher
sturdy sable
RLP is like "things were good, then it got worse..... and then it got even worse...
Atleast its a really forgiving timer
obsidian path
Focused the dragon every occasion we got before the mounted phase helped
plush tendon
uneven mason
its okay, i heard someone say entire group stacks one location you can AOE the a...
Basically this, gotta stack in for the plants, murder the tree add asap and have big burst aevready for the 2nd plant wave as he'll pop them immediately after the 2nd cast
sturdy sable
Lmao we died 35ish times and still timed the 10
Those dragons man
We tried skipping thunderhead by going the other way
And he just....flew to us
uneven mason
Lmao we died 35ish times and still timed the 10
Timers pretty forgiving
dusky canopy
13 academy tree boss lashers were living to long and the lasher toxin was hitting me for 250k in dstance
sweet summit
plush tendon
13 academy tree boss lashers were living to long and the lasher toxin was hittin...
thats a dungeon I would make sure you have some aoe pumpers
jagged pier
get good scrub
plush tendon
honestly, a unholy DK or Affliction lock would be good
maybe get a lock
have them start as affliction
sweet summit
i had a 385 strike twice drop, so im not sure
you can sim the difference between crafted weapon and strike twice if you're unsure
plush tendon
then run out and swap to demo
tender cove
then run out and swap to demo
what?
dusky canopy
Dude I was getting like 60 stacks of the toxin lmao
plush tendon
For dat tree boss
Affliction seems good for that specifcally
but Demo better throughout
so you can enter dungeon as affliction, then swap to demo
tender cove
ye but how are you gonna start a key as affil and then "run out and change" for a boss?
obsidian path
Vulpera mvp
plush tendon
^ or dat
obsidian path
Camp at the entrance
tender cove
Is that even possible? Doesn't brick the key?
plush tendon
It should be; its something people used to do in BFA on Siege
play sub for a good portion of the dungeon, then swap
sturdy sable
thats a dungeon I would make sure you have some aoe pumpers
Or a healer with poison clense
And fast feet
plush tendon
think about shadowflame though with all those little adds
big numbies
or a unholy DK with bursting sores
plush tendon
Court of Stars is nice
obsidian path
I like that dungeon
edgy grail
the tree boss is easy if you stack
obsidian path
Suramar is bae
edgy grail
If you have adds everywhere it’s terrible
plush tendon
as long as you can kill the adds fast, the boss is fine
but its literally the only thing in that dungeon you have to worry bout: kill tree, and then its basically free
rugged mural
In SL, the word was that Outburst should be used on SS 99% of the time. Is that still the case for DF?
uneven mason
First cast - passive cleave - 2nd cast big burst ae to clean up
uneven mason
In SL, the word was that Outburst should be used on SS 99% of the time. Is that ...
Don't see why it would change
uneven mason
True
obsidian path
Outburst ss provides more rage too
rugged mural
Possibility of numbers changes that I didn't see between SL and now. I haven't been following tuned that closely
obsidian path
Than outburst clap
uneven mason
Them 120k ss crits tho
rugged mural
We also seem to have more rage available and Banner isn't a thing
obsidian path
I have to admit I sometimes go for an outburst + show of force clap
oak echo
you TC on 5 or more targets in ava, 6 or more outside of ava. otherwise SS is the way i understand it from the math people
obsidian path
Even sylvanas hears the clap frop the maw
bleak wyvern
does gear change how much threat you generate?
plush tendon
you do more damage with more gear
uneven mason
It's still not bfa clap
obsidian path
More damage is more threat
bleak wyvern
cus in M+ like, I swear I will charge in, thunderclap, aoe
and hunter and shaman friend pull threat somehow
obsidian path
Pop a shield block, spikes do aggro too
plush tendon
well shaman with storm thingy will crit super hard in their first two or three globals
but you shouldnt have any issues
but carful of the dragons though; they pull threat on pull sometimes
bleak wyvern
well thats the issue idk if they need to wait a second extra
but as soon as i thunder clap
they go balls deep
rugged mural
Hunter should not be pulling with MD
plush tendon
or, you know, misdirect
bleak wyvern
funny thing is
misdirect wasnt working last night at all
lmao
we even tested it a few times
plush tendon
maybe he was mding the shaman
bleak wyvern
idk we think it was server cus some of the shit was acting weird
also, im doing +9s in blue gear (shield, chest and belt)
dunno if that would effect it badly
plush tendon
a new shield would help
bleak wyvern
but gotta admit, prot it a lot more fun than fury
uneven mason
maybe he was mding the shaman
Elemental shm need no help pulling aggro with that stupid triplecast overload ae lavaburst insanity they can do on pull
uneven mason
I mean the numbers are nice
patent hull
Hopefully there won't be further "tunings" anytime soon.
uneven mason
Sense gonna get us netfed
plush tendon
numbies nice, but spec is well made and plays well
bleak wyvern
so i gotta ask, is ignore pain when you know something big is about to hit, or do you generally try to keep it up alongside shield block
uneven mason
Throwing the averages way off
Like on avg thebtanks in raid are really close in DMG
But you got pumpers in pwar doing double the avg
plush tendon
raid is fine; they just need to buff the other tanks to some level where they arent just looking at prot warrior going like 'I cant even compete with that thing'
bleak wyvern
warrior doing good for once? yeah thats an issue
cinder knot
is MDT bugged with %s for temple?
uneven mason
warrior doing good for once? yeah thats an issue
Right, uh oh, pwar isn't a dumpster fire for the start of the xpac, gotta smash that
cinder knot
i selected every trash mob in the instance and it gives me 86% lol
plush tendon
you basically got to kill everything in temple
calm sapphire
Yes
plush tendon
just press W
cinder knot
yeah figured as much
uneven mason
i selected every trash mob in the instance and it gives me 86% lol
Literally every mob
calm sapphire
You can skip the trash from between water boss and 3rd boss
cinder knot
lets see what all the fuss is about with fort temple
uneven mason
Sha fucking hurt
plush tendon
and then more kicks
calm sapphire
So you go water boss, backtrack to library, then go to 3rd boss, then 4th boss
And do all that trash
plush tendon
yea, left first gang
uneven mason
But my speed boost
thick mauve
Any idea on which item to craft with sparks?
plush tendon
Any idea on which item to craft with sparks?
whatever you want 🙂
patent hull
Neck is good
calm sapphire
Neck/Weapon/Shield/Whatever you fancy
patent hull
I did neck and shield.
cinder knot
So you go water boss, backtrack to library, then go to 3rd boss, then 4th boss
gotcha, ty
thick mauve
I did neck and shield.
I was thinking sword and shield since i got a weak sword
calm sapphire
It's because MDT doesn't show the library upstairs
plush tendon
the neck is really good
but the pattern is rare
and people are charging up the ass to craft right now
more people will have it soon
patent hull
I got lucky placing a crafting order for it early
plush tendon
but 100% worth making
I got a heroic shield from raid, and my BS is weaponsmith
so im probably gonna make a sword and neck
since we'll be in mythic soonish and theres a good looking shield off first boss
solar crown
Does anyone have a good read on how to handle the packs before 3rd boss in nokhud offensive? Feels like dps die like flies and its a lot of moving around, but im not sure exactly how to handle the packs better
plush tendon
Does anyone have a good read on how to handle the packs before 3rd boss in nokhu...
is that the ghost boss or the stormy boss
severe steeple
ghost
solar crown
Ghost
severe steeple
tell you dps to "git gud"
plush tendon
yea, feels like a git gud for ghost trash
vernal mural
Aim wind thingies away
solar crown
Sure, but will better kicks sort it? Feels like its way to much to keep interrupting, but maybe they just prio the wrong things
severe steeple
cause ive seen some despicable smartasses wanting to go +11 onwards with 372 gear
plush tendon
theres a enrage cast they do
severe steeple
and they die insta with whatever damage
plush tendon
+11 is doable at 372.... but you sort of need to be gamer
way too many dps arent acting like gamers right now
calm sapphire
Depends on the dungeon
solar crown
Ok, but do you kite then off the 'hill' or just stabd there and focus the birds away from the group?
severe steeple
the percent of ppl that do M+ that are actual gamers is like 0.5
solar crown
Im assuming things will get better if i git gud, and that will help the group
But might be they just need to not stand in shit, i dunno
severe steeple
there are 50 abilities in these packs and its first week, its only natural ppl don't know them
sleek current
Standing in shit is 86% (random high number) of deaths right now for sure. People are still learning the dungeons.
plush tendon
I guess my idea of a gamer is like, they may not know the dungeon, but they sort of recognize pretty quickly that 'oh, lets interrupt that or let me use X ability to stop that' without needing to be told
or knowing what it does
they just be gaming
solar crown
True. Just feels like the birds frontal, the bombs going off and some other aoe damage is to much. So i was assuming i did something wrong and could make things easier if i did x y or z
But if there is no magic thing we can do then im fine with that
sleek current
In those packs. They need to interrupt death volley as a priority and pick up their souls ASAP. Other than that, kiting away from the orbs and swirls is the deal.
plush tendon
The ghost zone is also a nice place to get %
I feel like all the other trash is much nastier
sleek current
Huge, I pick up tonnes there and skip the entire last section.
short elk
Start the rp while you’re clearing that area
sleek current
The two before final boss give 3% each I think.
95% going into final boss is the safe bet.
plush tendon
theres a not too terrible pack on the right of the patrol
solar crown
Can you start the rp without having cleared the camps?
sleek current
I don't think so.
solar crown
Oh, sorry, misunderstood
solar crown
Im usually clearing everything around the bird-boss
plush tendon
The two before final boss give 3% each I think.
Do you think its worth to pull those two on top of the boss?
solar crown
For %
sleek current
Not unless your group know what they're doing. Personally, I'd rather deal with them separately because you could end up with double charge and slam going off at same time.
plush tendon
there will be a point we'll pull that together me thinks
maybe too much right now
I should also enchant and gem my gear at some point
upbeat sigil
guys does anyone know whats better?
primal molten shield with armor embelishement
or
Shield of the Hearth (with implemented embelishment)
craggy pilot
how do you guys use CDs? do we just pop everything on pull, and then fuel all the Rage into IP, or do we spread it out so we have more globals for Revenge? 🤔 I feel like whenever i pop everything together, i get like 500+ rage in the Avatar window
urban portal
Cds on cd
craggy pilot
ye so on pull throw everything?
edgy grail
Yep
edgy grail
I alternate between avatar demo and shield wall with challenging shout
It covers both aggro and defensiveness
oblique garnet
yeah +20 was pretty chill i think
Did someone actually time a 20 ?
coarse flower
yea
craggy pilot
just wondering how im doing less DPS than everyone, while popping all CDs on CD, and just feels like i have way too much rage, and no time to pop it into Revenge
edgy grail
You spend excess rage on IP
oblique garnet
20 SBG 
coarse flower
magic damage intake was fucked
upbeat sigil
i think shield slam > revenge even on big pulls? which makes no sene
coarse flower
and evoker healer is so cringe to play with, my healer is probably rerolling
strong forum
i mean your build is fine
edgy grail
i think shield slam > revenge even on big pulls? which makes no sene
It depends I think revenge is better at higher targets for purely damage
Maybe Nome can clarify
strong forum
dunno about dropping punish to get BSV, woulda dropped SoF rather
coarse flower
this is what I ran, but I didnt theorycraft anything - I was just thinking of anything I could take to survive magic tank busters
strong forum
dropping surv to get surv is a bit 🤔
coarse flower
whats BSV?
strong forum
your cheat
modern brook
battle scarred veteran
coarse flower
i felt like BSV was procing alot and its a 80% DR
craggy pilot
if BSV was not bugged, what would we skip to take it? if anything?
strong forum
ya it procs on CD if its still bugged
coarse flower
o
strong forum
literally on CD
coarse flower
i guess i was yoloing this
strong forum
cuz it counts the pre-mit hit
so if you get hit by a 400k phys hit, it would proc despite blocking it down to a 20k hit
and being full HP
unless thats been fixed
craggy pilot
Nome lets say it was fixed, would we drop anything to take it?
coarse flower
yeah, i was so scared about dying in these keys
thunderlord is less demo shouts in a key though, thats the only reason i didnt
umbral sapphire
good evening , is there any guide regarding what crafted gear to aim for?
edgy grail
Yea I had asked about BSV a bit ago and people were saying I was crazy 🫠
Imagine doing content where you take damage
fading tide
What u guys think is the easiest dungeon to tank? Did 2 plus 8 wanna try a plus 10
strong forum
its just 1 talent point to get it
edgy grail
Surely my big crafted shield can take a hit
strong forum
smbg is the easiest dungeon
solemn current
We happen to have a list of mechanics that can be intervened for our party or naw? Kind of missing some intervene shenanigans from shadowlands and thought about grabbing the talent again
fading tide
smbg is the easiest dungeon
Ok thank you
oblique garnet
smbg is the easiest dungeon
Also the only dungeon that isnt cursed to do
upbeat sigil
is it possible to complete a +11 in a pug? without comms
edgy grail
its just 1 talent point to get it
Yea that was my thought process it’s low opportunity cost
strong forum
yes 11s are entirely possible to pug
upbeat sigil
did a ruby +11 and we got our asses blasted :<
sweet summit
don't think bsv is bugged
edgy grail
I mean it’s possible
strong forum
ruby is one of the harder keys
coarse flower
its the hardest tank week
raging+fort is not the play for learning dungeons
strong forum
yeah its super toxic
coarse flower
craggy pilot
i got blasted on Ruby +10, and then did it just fine on +9 with diff grp
coarse flower
at the end of packs, one cast will go through with raging and one tap
was really fun
craggy pilot
just save Shockwave for end of pack 😄
edgy grail
That evidence seems rather questionable
craggy pilot
didnt have many DPS hitting higher than 40k overall yet
coarse flower
i saw some interesting builds
people taking all 3 shockwave talents - does that mean theyre using it offensively?
sweet summit
do not
coarse flower
or just as a random shockwave and it just hits hard
strong forum
thats a dps loss
plush tendon
Ive been debating if shockwave is even worth taking
plush tendon
feel like I get minimal value from it
coarse flower
Ive been debating if shockwave is even worth taking
nah itsworth; you need to stop casts
strong forum
like TR + Sonic boom is almost as good as TR + Words
but going FULL shockwave without TR
is just a dps loss
plush tendon
well everyone gots a aoe stun now
sweet summit
shockwave has been insane for me and my group
edgy grail
First week prob just testing stuff
plush tendon
its just dring
strong forum
and youll just perma DR your mobs
coarse flower
youll need more as the key levels go up
edgy grail
Ive been trying different stuff ad well
I tried spell block and the shield wall talent in Temple
Was pretty good I think
strong forum
yes totjs is 100% a spellblock + defenders aegis dungeon
modern brook
Shock wave owns but taking the Shockwave damage talent forces you to talent out of other dps talents and forces you to sw on cd
It's just bad
edgy grail
A but different play style so gotta get used to it
cinder knot
also not sure if this is the right place to ask, but any chance i could get someone to look over some of my logs?
edgy grail
How does spell block work exactly? It makes the spell as if it was physical?
coarse flower
ya very strong talent
i had the wrong talents shown, i had spell block almost every key
strong forum
very strong but very useless often times
hot maple
are folks running fueled by blood or brutal vitality in M+ nowadays?
strong forum
cuz 90% of the time where spellblock is good, you have SW for it
the only time spellblock is the pick
is when you need to rotate between SW and spellblock
frequently
edgy grail
very strong but very useless often times
Yea when its useful its insane
That last pack
Ezpz
prisma crane
so far the only place i feel like spell block would be something i wish i had would be 3rd and last room of Temple
them Shas
strong forum
i can only think of RLP, Azure Vault and Totjs
edgy grail
Yep
prisma crane
btw, can we just kite those Sha's to prevent that ass blasting they like to do? particularly when raged, or does it hit at range anyways?
i havent tested yet
heavy temple
whats currently the embelishments to chose?
prisma crane
cool
bright lion
Hi all, wowhead guide recommends Lariat as an embellished item, do we know if that's true after the nerf?
sweet summit
edgy grail
Yea run back in for the reflect
sweet summit
prisma crane
lmao
strong forum
Hi all, wowhead guide recommends Lariat as an embellished item, do we know if th...
the nerf did almost nothing
bright lion
appreciated ty
spiral warren
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/876597530429911064/1052950269794721833/im...
Is that in temple?
sweet summit
yer
spiral warren
prisma crane
what kind of damage is that uninterruptable cast the fear ones do?
spiral warren
I am a prot main after doing keys with it last night
sweet summit
the seering gaze
spiral warren
spiral warren
Me prot me smash
prisma crane
yea
edgy grail
Stupid question if I have spell block up and I reflect does it deal reduced damage?
prisma crane
yea, but doesnt appear to be reflectable, and i cant figure out how to handle it
plush tendon
soo good
prisma crane
would spell block work on that?
sweet summit
?
edgy grail
Wait im talking about claws srry
sweet summit
🫡
prisma crane
ill be honest, theres no way Temple doesnt get more nerfs
sweet summit
idk it honestly feels fine
prisma crane
and appreciate Sir! o7
sweet summit
you just have to play a lot around LoS
and aoe CC
only thing i dislike is 1st boss water visuals and 3rd boss line visuals being delayed
prisma crane
it definitely felt better the more i did it, but the group has to be on point, i dont see how a group with long interrupts would do it
edgy grail
only thing i dislike is 1st boss water visuals and 3rd boss line visuals being d...
Im colorblind and its awful
sweet summit
i can imagine
prisma crane
last boss in azure, the debuff falling off faster makes it feel a lot better at least
cinder storm
I hate when they do colors on top of similar colors, like nokhund hills casts
prisma crane
it really is bad
idk why blizz is afraid of just having super SUPER obvious visuals
cinder storm
FF is very good at that
prisma crane
like, Evoker fire cone and drive-by visuals
sweet summit
want hard outlines
prisma crane
yea
prisma crane
and bold and have maybe a bit of depth so it solves the Z axis issue
edgy grail
The frontal on last boss RLP
upbeat sigil
if you play PoE you get used to that
edgy grail
Is just wrong too
lime rivet
Anyone have a solid Thundering WA?
craggy pilot
this thing any good? cant seem to get it higher than 3 stacks
upbeat sigil
btw dont do high azure vault keys with melee only and a 45 heroic leap cooldown on last boss :<
sick sentinel
that trinket sucks sort of because it lasts too long imho
the buff lasts for 20 seconds
edgy grail
avatar removes stacks
So does a dispell 😂
sweet summit
real
edgy grail
So just yell at healer
sick sentinel
and then so you have to pray it goes off before, or wait 20 agonizing second before it goes off on its own
craggy pilot
avatar removes stacks
from the trinket? what?
sweet summit
oh not you sorry
prisma crane
talking about last boss in azure
sweet summit
idk anything about that trinket
prisma crane
i have the same thoughts on that trinket
sick sentinel
you can force it to 6 stacks by just attacking hard, but if you have no targets
craggy pilot
hmm got it to 6 finally on this boss in HC
kinda big burnout
oh wait its normal 😄
stark jewel
is there a case for bloodsurge instead of instigate on primal council?
Im not sure at which target count you can consider bloodsurge to be more valuable
strong forum
2
lyric valley
is it worthwhile for us to make a mouseover interrupt macro?
didn't find one on the wowhead guide and maybe you're not supposed to do it since our interrupt is melee?
sweet summit
i prefer focus target interrupt, but mouseover works too
/cast [@mouseover,exists]Pummel; Pummel```Is there a good auto marker weakaura? or addon?
solemn current
Could just make a single macro for both. Focus if you got it, mouseover if you don’t, target interrupt when neither
lyric valley
working with focus targets is a level of play I haven't figured out yet
mellow quartz
Is there a good auto marker weakaura? or addon?
Plenty on wago
sweet summit
Is there a good auto marker weakaura? or addon?
https://wago.io/1ctv3b91K saw this, haven't tried it
solar crown
i've seen that myself, was wondering if there was any other that was 'common knowledge to use'. Ill test it, thanks 🙂
sweet summit
working with focus targets is a level of play I haven't figured out yet <:critca...
it's super convenient once you get used to it
one button to focus mouseover and then ur shilling
craggy pilot
Is there a good auto marker weakaura? or addon?
https://wago.io/b_JzlxXLu/
i use this one, works very well
sweet summit
/focus [@mouseover]
solar crown
thanks @craggy pilot 🙂
craggy pilot
```/focus [@mouseover]```
like how often is that needed? dont you just target the target you need to interrupt? 🤔
lyric valley
thanks for the macros
sweet summit
every time there is a target with higher max hp than the caster i'm kicking
mellow quartz
like how often is that needed? dont you just target the target you need to inter...
Rarely do I target the target I need to interrupt
lyric valley
like how often is that needed? dont you just target the target you need to inter...
I think you're just saving a few milliseconds by mouseover or focus interrupting
sweet summit
no point killing low hp mob if there are two high hp mobs still there
craggy pilot
I think you're just saving a few milliseconds by mouseover or focus interrupting
nah i mean having the interrupt target as the main target the entire fight
if caster is dead, the pack is much easier 🤔
and i can potentially pull 1 more pack with casters in it
mellow quartz
Like RLP with 2 casters and the big dude. Focus kick 1 caster and target the big dude.
sweet summit
yep
craggy pilot
big dude being the fire dude?
craggy pilot
ye ok makes sense i guess
unless you do big dude + casters, kill the casters, then pull the pat
mellow quartz
Always target the highest hp mobs to make the key go faster.
sweet summit
pull isn't over til the last mob dies (with exceptions of course)
uncut dome
What Keys do yoy feel are the hardest atm?
mellow quartz
Like in AA when everyone aoe’s the lashers and then have nothing for the 3 big guys.
Their aoe did nothing to speed up the key
prisma crane
dont forget in RLP that those fire circles dmg mobs and knock them up, it's nice extra help
icy bane
craggy pilot
dont forget in RLP that those fire circles dmg mobs and knock them up, it's nice...
do they dmg all mobs? or only the casters?
like i tried to stun a few of the small Fire Elements in there, and they didnt take dmg
mellow quartz
What Keys do yoy feel are the hardest atm?
Probably Nokhud or TJS
sweet summit
idk if they do damage, but the knock up almost perfect time to interrupt the flame dance
uncut dome
Probably Nokhud or TJS
Ah havent tanked nok yet
mellow quartz
idk if they do damage, but the knock up almost perfect time to interrupt the fla...
Always just shockwave and int shout the dance
sweet summit
yeah i always stop it, just a neat little interaction i found
oblique garnet
idk if they do damage, but the knock up almost perfect time to interrupt the fla...
isnt flame dance the one you just purge?
sweet summit
no?
rugged root
So if I’m getting into tanking and this expansion what can I do to get really good ?
mellow quartz
Vault is oof
Vault is really easy tbh
slim dove
Vault is really easy tbh
The furies before 2nd boss did us dirty before we learned to purge the damage buff
prisma crane
do they dmg all mobs? or only the casters?
all mobs i believe
oblique garnet
I thought that was called flame dance
honestly wouldnt be surprised both of them are
if both of them are called*
craggy pilot
So if I’m getting into tanking and this expansion what can I do to get really go...
just play, and play more, and ask questions when you do stuff you feel is wrong
mellow quartz
Does the one when they die do damage if you are not in the circles?
I don’t think so.
coarse flower
aight i suck at prot warrior, back to the bdk dream gn bros
minor canopy
are there any good macros to combine spells? like put roar to avatar for example. i tried a few combinations but i guess its not worth. any input appreciated
plush tendon
Not really
Keep thing separate; you can make Victory Rush and Charge one button If you want to save keybinds
Or have charge/intervene macro
craggy pilot
♿ BDK
plush tendon
dude Deaths Advance is sick in raid though
craggy pilot
ah in raid i guess
plush tendon
and some dungeons
craggy pilot
but M+ is the real gamemode
plush tendon
and grips are really nice
craggy pilot
yea only thing im jealous of DKs is grip
plush tendon
Grip is soooo good
craggy pilot
like holy shit so often i want to have grip
plush tendon
remember when we had a grip
craggy pilot
i should just make a macro like
/p Grip that add plz
deft hazel
lvling my bdk.. always liked grips
craggy pilot
and put a DK in my grp always
plush tendon
DK is awesome
deft hazel
pesky dps always attacking before i can grab more then take aggro
plush tendon
Unholy seems pretty cool to
deft hazel
grip
craggy pilot
i just dont like the HP bar shit with BDK
plush tendon
if you can pull around their 1.5 min bursting sores dam
craggy pilot
but i guess its a bit better now with the Mastery Shield
plush tendon
i just dont like the HP bar shit with BDK
embrace the slow, and embrace the heart attack
deft hazel
i just dont like the HP bar shit with BDK
its a bit stressful ngl, but honestly i find dk hp much easier to manage
plush tendon
its just super different then other tanks
cause if you see a prot warriors health drop its like panic panic
but a BDK.... thats just a tuesday
craggy pilot
as Prot you only have Imp Victory
cinder storm
pesky dps always attacking before i can grab more then take aggro
When the boss is about to become active and you see one or two melees inside the boss ready to burst 💀
thick mauve
I did neck and shield.
Just came to my mind now, why didnt you craft neck/ unstable frostfire belt since they both have effects?
plush tendon
The frostfire belt I think is taken in conjunction with raid rings
craggy pilot
Raid rings? why is that?
plush tendon
I doubt anyone has the set yet
they do damage/heal when you do fire damage
and unless we playing fire enchant WoTLK arms warrior, thats the only way we do fire damage
craggy pilot
ohh so the Frostfire belt procs the rings?
plush tendon
it should
craggy pilot
but the belt should still be decent on its own
it was doing 1.2% of my guildies dps the other day
UDK
plush tendon
yea, seems to be a good slot to have a crafted piece in general
craggy pilot
yea
i made belt for my guildie, so thinking ill up my Belt Spec now in BS
and craft it for myself too
and then later make the Wrist
thick mauve
Yea im still wondering which peace to craft alongside the neck
plush tendon
Im looking at neck and a mainhand
thick mauve
Feels like im wasting power if i craft something that doesnt have an effect
craggy pilot
i did shield already, and thinking Belt for 2nd 🤔
sturdy sable
Im looking at neck and a mainhand
Thats what i did
plush tendon
still havnt crafted anything yet though
thick mauve
What about this one?
plush tendon
I gotta get over the FOMO of like 'but what if theres something better'
at some point, ya justneed to craft something
thick mauve
I gotta get over the FOMO of like 'but what if theres something better'
Thats what im going through lol
errant sedge
I got the 1h weapon from academy with leech and can upgrade it right now to 402 it is worth to craft the sword 405 Or it is not a big dmg dif.? And take the shield instead hmm
thick mauve
What about this one?
I guess neck and helm should be good options
brave tapir
How come crafting the neck is 100k for the mats and 150k fee, can no one do it?
craggy pilot
What about this one?
was considering crafting this, but it does nothing for my Arms offspec 🤔
thick mauve
Im going full protection
craggy pilot
ye was considering that as well, but think im going Arms in raid
delicate lake
How come crafting the neck is 100k for the mats and 150k fee, can no one do it?
pattern came out on tuesday and is very rare
steady steppe
How come crafting the neck is 100k for the mats and 150k fee, can no one do it?
what kinda server are u on brother it was like 4k for all the mats 15k commission
craggy pilot
pattern came out on tuesday and is very rare
people cashing in on that market 😄
its quite rare Recipe, so on small servers it will be GIGA pricy
brave tapir
what kinda server are u on brother it was like 4k for all the mats 15k commissio...
TarrenMill, I’m considering using the spark on my shield for now haha
craggy pilot
just craft something else, and get neck in 2 weeks if you really want neck
delicate lake
apparently liquid paid 15 mill + transfer fees for the pattern
craggy pilot
apparently liquid paid 15 mill + transfer fees for the pattern
kekw
sturdy sable
still havnt crafted anything yet though
I made a mh week 1 lol my thought process is these sparks will come and we can only use 2 embellishments (3 with food buff obviously)
craggy pilot
Jewelcrafters association did well with hyping up Lariat
sturdy sable
And neck and mh arnt tier so
brave tapir
This is all a jc coalition 
sturdy sable
Exactly just stay outa the main armour slots and your probably golden
craggy pilot
This is all a jc coalition <:copium:839076283467431956>
ye fuck the jewelcrafters
lets say for Season 2 we hype up Blacksmithing, what do we say boys?
sturdy sable
Hell yeah
craggy pilot
we pay off all the twitch streamers
west trout
What sim do we use for m+ ? Dungeon slice or something else ?
brave tapir
Go hype something else 😠
lusty tiger
we pay off all the twitch streamers
I’m in
sturdy sable
That shield of the hearth? Actually its top tier for everyone even dps
craggy pilot
That shield of the hearth? Actually its top tier for everyone even dps
🤣🤣
Fury using 2h+Shield
craggy pilot
looking forward to what they come up with for S2
if they just add more Power infusions for Professions, or if they actually add new items
Knowledge should almost reset between seasons though if they add new items 🤔
surreal estuary
Should prot stay in defensive stance or pro actively swap etc?
craggy pilot
Should prot stay in defensive stance or pro actively swap etc?
stand in BStance basically, only D for big hits
BStance is like 13-14% extra dam
surreal estuary
awesome ty so much!
craggy pilot
if we had just hyped up the Belt+Rings combo, both BS and JC would benefit, we need to have a briefing with the Jewelcrafters Association ASAP!
fallen gazelle
40-50% uptime on shield of the hearth doesn't seem like it's that bad
deft hazel
craggy pilot
40-50% uptime on shield of the hearth doesn't seem like it's that bad
still 326 vers only 🤷♂️ wrist is 200 vers with 100% uptime
sturdy sable
BStance is like 13-14% extra dam
Dude when i swap talents sometimes it defaults me to dtance and i hate it
broken moon
Anyone happen to have a one button macro to swap between stances?
sturdy sable
Dont notice it until i see my damage is lower then normal lmao
craggy pilot
Dude when i swap talents sometimes it defaults me to dtance and i hate it
just get WA
craggy pilot
i have WA that shows BStance logo in my face when i have 0 stance, and when im in DStance, theres DStance logo flashing on top of my Unit Frame
chrome falcon
ok jesus NOW i know why i was only getting purple parses last night
sturdy sable
ok jesus NOW i know why i was only getting purple parses last night
Yep
undone verge
Not the first, wont be the last
tribal minnow
what's the best thing embellish for prot atm?
sturdy sable
Helm and neck
craggy pilot
so many stance WA on wago is for remembering to be in Dstance though
chrome falcon
<:copium:839076283467431956>
no-one asked you sir
sweet summit
tribal minnow
Helm and neck
is helmet not reserved for tier?
broken moon
<:pins:353613639380369418>
I evidently CANT READ thank you!
chrome falcon
dude sense did 12k more dps than me on normal kurog
craggy pilot
what's the best thing embellish for prot atm?
whatever you can get in higher ilvl
chrome falcon
i'm gonna cry
sturdy sable
so many stance WA on wago is for remembering to be in Dstance though <:copium:83...
I just assumed the game knew what i wanted and reacted accordingly
sturdy sable
is helmet not reserved for tier?
4 set 5 or six slots you got wiggle room use it
jagged pier
dude sense did 12k more dps than me on normal kurog
get good
craggy pilot
I just assumed the game knew what i wanted and reacted accordingly
i just took Wago Stance WA, and flipped it for BStance instead of DStance 😄
chrome falcon
he has 1k more strength than me
and i was in dstance
he did 400k more damage than me with SS with 3 more casts 
oblique garnet
jagged pier
he only did 700 more than me
vernal vale
i was in fucking dstance the whole time
Rip
craggy pilot
https://wago.io/Ch-e3Q06X/
kekw
"When you're in prot spec, it shows an icon midscreen if you're in a dungeon and in Battle Stance, or outside a dungeon and in Defensive stance."
coarse flower
<:copium:839076283467431956>
jks i gotta tell my evoker to play rdruid tho, evoker is such bait man
beta logs actually baited us hard
lusty tiger
i'm washed
your banner vid is still historic brother
coarse flower
actually the most impractical spec, even though evoker has so much throughput
prisma crane
https://wago.io/Ch-e3Q06X/
kekw
"When you're in prot spec, it shows an icon mid...
not all bad though when you consider average players
jagged pier
i'm washed
we are all washed
prisma crane
^
chrome falcon
craggy pilot
jks i gotta tell my evoker to play rdruid tho, evoker is such bait man
i had Evoker in a few keys, and didnt get dispelled and died and he said "bro im out of range"
coarse flower
sturdy sable
he only did 700 more than me
Beat me by 7k yeeesh
mellow quartz
Ilvl is a bit all over the place atm for people also. Some on the leaderboards have like 395-400 ilvl
sonic tangle
I just asked my healer if he wants me on dstance he better ask. Depending on the key height I've just mostly going dstance for trash and bstance for bosses
plush tendon
I just toggle whenever I’m a bit apprehensive about a pull
lusty tiger
its the double pulls w cast where i feel obligated to camp dstance
plush tendon
If it feels good after a bit, I swap back
chrome falcon
that's kinda aggro
dude wtf is the last pack in jade temple
good lord
my health bar
jagged pier
mellow quartz
Most of the keys atm you are not failing due to damage output but due to wiping.
lusty tiger
i rly wanna do a JT still havent gotten one
sturdy sable
he has 1k more strength than me <:critcake:984549832511344640>
He had blessing of autumn so it doesn't count
chrome falcon
sonic tangle
JT was even a nightmare back in MoP. I haven't done it yet this week tho
sturdy sable
Ive only beaten sense like 1 or twice in my whole career
chrome falcon
and there are 3 of those mobs
sturdy sable
And even then it doesn't last long
chrome falcon
i only beat sense when he's stopped reclearing
like my 6th dausegne kill was better than his 2nd because he was just started extending way earlier than me
sturdy sable
Did you start heroic yet or just normal so far?
sturdy sable
I'm starting heroic tonight
hazy sluice
With 374 ilvl at approx what Key Level should i consider d stance ? 😄
urban portal
15s
hazy sluice
K
jagged pier
when u feel like u need it
vernal vale
@chrome falcon I posted decent logs Tuesday but I didn't get any m+ time and what not that the people who raid Monday have so they are gonna have much better gear.
urban portal
Something hard
jagged pier
no there isnt a cutt off
urban portal
I’m sure nerf is currently perma in dstance
jagged pier
its a personal thing
sturdy sable
Im 7/8 normal with razza almost dead
short elk
uninterruptible 300k nukes
What key is it 300k?
vernal vale
i'm 7/8N 1/8 HC
We did 1/8H first and then went normal. Wound up only 5/8 normal.
chrome falcon
it hit me for about 300k in a 14
sturdy sable
Did you guys have your tank clear the eggs on broodkeeper or the dps/healer with the boss tank?
chrome falcon
well
i REFLECTED a 300k hit
we just had 2 melee dps do it
could probably be some melee healers though
jagged pier
Did you guys have your tank clear the eggs on broodkeeper or the dps/healer wit...
tank
sturdy sable
But thats a ways away
lusty tiger
ye
sturdy sable
i REFLECTED a 300k hit
Even on a 12 shadowclaw hits for 250k
chrome falcon
yep
sturdy sable
Them sha dont fuck around
neon elk
Am i crazy or is that storm boss in nokhund kinda overtuned
sturdy sable
Alot of stuff feels super overtunned rn but will probably even out with more stam (for the dps Atleast)
mellow quartz
Even on a 12 shadowclaw hits for 250k
Must have been enraged
mellow quartz
Hit me for 180-190k on a 15
jagged pier
I could see that being an issue on mythic tho
we 3 tanked raid testing
mellow quartz
If you are not in def stance for that pack you are trolling