lmao
#protection
loud patrol
calm sapphire
So yes, Tier set from any of the slots
lost canyon
i always gear up the last one
jagged pier
lost canyon
ty, I did but didn't see the raid section
patent hull
so to add the extra two gem sockets to necklace I need the rank 2 and rank 3 of Tiered Medallion Setting?
looks like the rank 3 is for ilvl 415 stuff
wary plume
any stinky thinkies on spellblock for the raid yet?
any fights its giga value
or nah
jagged pier
check the sheet?
placid stratus
do we put crit haste on crafted gear or haste vers?
jagged pier
personal choice
placid stratus
cheers
grave crane
<:pins:353613639380369418>
I checked the first 3 pins and didn’t find the answer so it’s not there
jagged pier
🤔
blissful fox
check out www dot icy veins dot com slash wow slash protection warrior pve tank builds talents
long stone
I checked the first 3 pins and didn’t find the answer so it’s not there
scroll down dude its there ! trust me !
severe steeple
can someone put all the important information in front of me please, i already took the effort to find the class discord
fading tide
How much do I need to shoulder press to tank +10? I don’t want my guild to think I’m weak
grave crane
135 military press should be enough
gray bane
did some keys today, there's a lot of damage flying around :D
edgy grail
Get something thst tells you what to kick if you dont know the dungeons
Plater mod for DF
Or something
gray bane
but about to do raid, so trying to figure out a build - I assume the raid one from the icy veins one is fine?
tender cove
but about to do raid, so trying to figure out a build - I assume the raid one fr...
or pins
gray bane
cool yeah saw those as well, I'll look a bit what's different - thanks!
silent anchor
anyone having the initializing issues again 
tender cove
Is it worth doing the weekly stuff anymore, trials, feasts etc?
slim dove
yup, got 2 392 pieces from them this week
tender cove
ohh noice 😮
jagged pier
thing is u can do them later in the week
polar raptor
also have world bosses too now, hope their loot scales as well
jagged pier
after u have even more gear
vernal vale
First thing Rage wasted is way to high. Which means your not hitting buttons and that's the second thing your CPM is still low.
heady gyro
I am little confused on crafting the neck. I have rank 3 materials. If I do a public order how do I know what quality I will get? I don't see an option to ask for a higher quality
cursive burrow
You cant.
Need to find a crafter who can guarantee then put in a personal order.
Afaik.
vernal vale
Your blocked hits are low considering how easy we can keep shield block up now.
proud dock
u guys make ur own m+ routes or use others'? if so, who's a reliable route provider?
elfin scarab
in BV still better than Fueled by Violecne?
lusty tiger
fbv is handy for pulling or no uptime situations
@strong forum have you been running IO at all?
lusty tiger
O ya
lusty tiger
i play 5 tnak
Who pulls the packs?
lusty tiger
Are you tanking a majority of the mobs?
Does divine toll ever rip threat (if pallys even take that)?
strong forum
yes
tender cove
If i could get anything... ANYTHING besides trinkets to drop, that would be great, thanks.
lusty tiger
So I imagine the damage is lower because you’re getting aoe shield throws, Sigil, shockwave(maybe?), incap roar(maybe?)
loud patrol
got a shield from the weekley ;_;
short vale
which weekly calc? accord? 😮 what ilvl?
loud patrol
382
cursive burrow
Does divine toll ever rip threat (if pallys even take that)?
Only reason to play Prot Pally is the endorphins rush you get when you hit that button lol.
lusty tiger
Hard agree
tender cove
any1 know ppm for bloods of khansguard?
calm sapphire
wow, battle scarred scale seems so damn weak
calm sapphire
it's literally there because my previous trinket was like 320
and it's 379
the moment I get a good one it's gonna be an ilvl stick in my bag
vernal vale
wow, battle scarred scale seems so damn weak
Yeah it's very bad sadly.
onyx matrix
is it worth running rares now still? do they scale with your ilvl? cheers
loud patrol
same answer yes
onyx matrix
cool ty 😄
eager thistle
Question on the WoWHead BIS List. It shows Mythic gear as BIS (obviously). Would it be generally the same list, if it were Normal Raid?
long swan
Ilvl dependent
If you have a 405 piece from mythics is better than the gear from@normal
Etc etc
eager thistle
right
chilly brook
Question on the WoWHead BIS List. It shows Mythic gear as BIS (obviously). Would...
Forget BiS
Get items
Equip highest ilvl
eager thistle
got it, thanks
so dont like 'try to shoot' for specific stuff? just put on whatever is highest
chilly brook
If you have multiple pieces of the same ilvl then equip better itemized pieces
wary heath
slap on everything higher
chilly brook
I mean obviously there are “best” items from a raid that you’d want
wary heath
glad my first M+ drops have all been neck pieces
clever egret
Thoughts on spell block for m+? Do y'all run it? And if so what dungeons?
wary heath
6 in a row
chilly brook
For example gavel last tier as a dps
chilly brook
But in the meantime you just equip whatever is an upgrade
long swan
Lol
eager thistle
awesome, thanks
chilly brook
And as a tank it’s even simpler
Ilvl is king
With the slight exceptions of jewelry and trinkets
lavish oracle
Thoughts on spell block for m+? Do y'all run it? And if so what dungeons?
Not by default, for sure
bitter plume
does anyone know what two pieces of gear i should make and what embellishment should i add?
mighty valley
when I pulled big in Brackhide and saw the number of casts I thought "hmm, this might make me try spell block and/or the interrupt shout" and then I remember it's not even in the rotation yet
azure ivy
does anyone know what two pieces of gear i should make and what embellishment sh...
Pin says it doesn’t matter, .5-1% upgrade
chilly brook
does anyone know what two pieces of gear i should make and what embellishment sh...
I’d probably assume shield would be one of them
quick geyser
Question, is there a reason we arent taking Bloodborn? Given a larger emphasis on our bleed damage?
lavish oracle
Yeah, some of the higher magic damage dungeons might warrant it in higher level keys
mighty valley
not very efficient per talent point
lavish oracle
But for now we're chilling
chilly brook
Question, is there a reason we arent taking Bloodborn? Given a larger emphasis o...
Opportunity cost
azure ivy
Spell block seemed pretty strong option for halls of valor
chilly brook
It’s not a bad talent per se but the trade off isn’t advantageous
mighty valley
yeah, try and figure out what two points you'd drop for it - they're likely good points
lavish oracle
Bloodborne is a good talent but we have so many good talents
quick geyser
Understood — it’s a matter of what else we’d have to give up vs take it
mighty valley
i'm getting flashbacks to watching MTG streams where chat would always say "why don't you run X card, it seems good"
and the answer was always "what would you cut for it"
quick geyser
and the answer was always "what would you cut for it"
That makes sense
chilly brook
Spell block seemed pretty strong option for halls of valor
Maybe I’m crazy but I don’t remember it being that crazily bad in legion to where I wished I had more magic mitigation
quick geyser
Are y’all still taking FBV given the bug?
lavish oracle
Ye
wary heath
YES
mighty valley
wow, rockslide is STOKED about fbv
wary heath
sorry I meant i take BV
azure ivy
I started playing in end of bfa, so I didn’t get to play legion but in a 7 halls The boss to the left hits like a t Truck, I tried spell block during his storm phase and it was pretty good, but I get it, seems pretty niche
wary heath
the wording confused me, there was no nerf
chilly brook
Hyrja?
tender cove
What about bsv is it thats bugged?
mighty valley
it's not bsv, it's bruv
lavish oracle
Brutal Vit is bugged
tender cove
bruv scared veteran? xD
mighty valley
BRUtalVitality
azure ivy
Yea, Um it kept deleting the entire group, I had to solo the last 15%, which I’m not sure why, guess bad healing by the mistweaver I was wihh to
mighty valley
it's bruv, bruv
wary heath
BV still contributes to a lot of healing if you are spamming IP
in harder keys your shield isn't staying up lol
chilly brook
Hyrja was notorious for one shotting dps and healers
You would literally swap to prydaz for survival back in legion
azure ivy
It certainly did that. Spell block saved me for when everyone was dead and I was hit with another phase, even when sitting in the dome the tick hits hard
mighty valley
i haven't done hov yet, of the dungeons i've done I think algethar tree boss is the one that strikes me as a problem at high keys/tyrannical
but i'm still climbing
lavish oracle
Is there settled strategy on whether to start her left or right side?
tender cove
it's not bsv, it's bruv
I'm confused, people are meming so much its hard to keep track of wtf is actually legit or not.
So Fueled by violence OR Brutal vitality?
And why is battle scared veteran bugged? In what way?
chilly brook
Isn’t it fort this week?
chilly brook
Is there settled strategy on whether to start her left or right side?
Iirc left
At least that’s what most groups did back in legion
azure ivy
Is there settled strategy on whether to start her left or right side?
Group told me left every time, because right side was one shot city
grave hare
Anyone know if there's a tool that can show/highlight the differences between two talent trees? I find it difficult to compare like 50 buttons when there are 2 differences.
wary heath
I use brutal vitality, blizz nerfed it for a reason, it's good interaction
lavish oracle
Or rather, thats what my gut told me
mighty valley
I'm confused, people are meming so much its hard to keep track of wtf is actuall...
BSV is not bugged. The choice node is between FBV or Brutal Vitality, which we struggle to stick an acronym for, I like bruv. bruv is bugged still where if you ever cap out your current IP, bruv no longer contributes to it
chilly brook
Anyone know if there's a tool that can show/highlight the differences between tw...
The retina
mighty valley
until it's dropped and you cast it again
chilly brook
Sorry I’m feeling snarky today
wary heath
it works if you also refill your IP with a fresh cast
tender cove
BSV is not bugged. The choice node is between FBV or Brutal Vitality, which we s...
Its 2 different questions. I'm willing to sacrifice a point in SC capstone for BSV but i want to remember nom said it was bugged
wary heath
people are too dramatic about it, like they are sitting at max IP shields all day in 10+ keys
chilly brook
Its 2 different questions. I'm willing to sacrifice a point in SC capstone for B...
There was a point when it was trigger on damage pre mitigation
quick geyser
So still do BruV over the other?
mighty valley
it's still up in the air about which one contributes more but it's also not a big enough difference to justify how much we angst over it in here lmao
wary heath
FBV is also good, you can run dungeons with each and see how much the healing is
quick geyser
Kk
eager thistle
What M+ would be a good starting point/doable with 382 iLv as prot? Never done M+ before
chilly brook
So it would pop on a normal melee despite being 100% hp
But I don’t think it’s doing that anymore
lavish oracle
I'm outhealing the healer either way
mighty valley
What M+ would be a good starting point/doable with 382 iLv as prot? Never done M...
depends a lot on your group, just start running up your own key and see where it gets hard
tender cove
Is it fixed though? I feel like it would be a nice set of training wheels so to speak
eager thistle
depends a lot on your group, just start running up your own key and see where it...
Got it, thanks 🙂
wary heath
the only bug on it..is once you hit your MAX IP (which doesn't always happen) ....it will not continue to build
calm sapphire
Yeah, prot warrior is the easiest tank I've ever played
tender cove
But you’re playing prot warrior
ye, ye but the thing is? I dont care what everyone else says they're doing +20 naked and shit. I'm not. My group is certainly not.
chilly brook
Ok
But you literally don’t sit in defensive stance
And you shouldn’t be taking damage
And whatever damage you do take is healed right back up from leach and indom
tender cove
Yeh, on paper that sounds great bro. Have you tried doing any m+ today?
Doesn't sound like it.
ocean prairie
guys where can i find the best build for damage in the different raid bosses?
tender cove
I'm happy for you and them, that they are so great they dont take damage.
slim dove
guaranteed replies
wary heath
I'm not talking about reducing AAs lmao
tender cove
I'm not. my group is not. And my pugs wont be either.
mighty valley
"take no damage" is definitely exaggerated if your group isn't kicking everything and stunning things that can't be kicked
oblique drift
What is the strategy you guys employ for the last pull before the final boss in Temple of the Jade Serpent?
chilly brook
I'm not. my group is not. And my pugs wont be either.
The point I’m making is that prot isn’t a spec that needs extra “training wheels”
slim dove
What is the strategy you guys employ for the last pull before the final boss in ...
assign kicks to 2 fear mobs, rotate AOE stuns, focus one at a time while cleaving
wary heath
there is damage outside of interruptable spells, and melee auto attacks, news flash
mighty valley
and yeah, it's raging week, if dps aren't being smart you can get chunked
chilly brook
Soothing right mobs, kicking casts
If this isn’t happening BSV isn’t saving you
tender cove
The point I’m making is that prot isn’t a spec that needs extra “training wheels...
We can agree to disagree on that.
oblique drift
assign kicks to 2 fear mobs, rotate AOE stuns, focus one at a time while cleavin...
Sounds reasonable, I definitely felt like I needed more aoe stun ability
mighty valley
it literally is though, all of this is a sliding scale of key level/group competency/ilvl
me, i'm not taking bsv because A) i trust my group, B) we have a lot of other recovery tools already, and C) it's really hard to drop points at the bottom of the tree
fast knot
I don't think bsv is needed I'll agree
lavish oracle
What are ya'll taking instead of Battle Scarred Veteran? Punish?
chilly brook
it literally is though, all of this is a sliding scale of key level/group compet...
It might save you once, but it’s not going to prevent your death if your group isn’t doing their part
ocean prairie
guys please 🙂 where can i find talents optimised for the various bosses of the raid?
tender cove
All this talk in a vaccum what is needed or not. It's, i dont know the word for it.. delusional? Not in touch with reality? Living in their own top 100 bubble?
mighty valley
It might save you once, but it’s not going to prevent your death if your group i...
if your group is generally good but there's a misclick/brainfart/accidental pull?
i mean cmon, in MDI they run cheat deaths, there are obviously ways to use a powerful defensive CD
is it often worth what you're giving up? no, but it's not insane to take while people are learning dungeons early in the season and mistakes are more common
chilly brook
I mean we’ve been through the conversation around BSV several times
General consensus always ends up “sure you can take it, but it’s certainly not needed even in high keys”
wary heath
bsv isn't a cheat death
tender cove
I mean we’ve been through the conversation around BSV several times
Yeh and its always been everyone memeing "prot warrior dont take damage" when in reality? Its a few of you thats playing on a level above everyone else with groups that are on par with that.
Everyone else? They had a wake up call today.
tender cove
How many in here have done a +15 yet?
mighty valley
bsv isn't a cheat death
not literally, but there are some similar use cases
chilly brook
It doesn’t take a high level of play to be a solid tank
And if you’re talking about 15s…..
pallid quiver
hello i am joining in the middle of this conversation
i think the wakeup call is that you need to press shield block based on the actions of tanks i've seen while healing on an alt
chilly brook
Of course you’re probably taking more damage than you think you should
Welcome to early m+ EVERY first season
Gear makes a significant difference
tender cove
Of course you’re probably taking more damage than you think you should
I'm actually managing quite fine so far. I just think you're ignoring its day 1, people are undergeared, dont know what they're doing and so on.
slim dove
yeah, in a few weeks we'll mostly be rocking 400 ilvl
BIG jump from 370s alot of people are at
mighty valley
anyway the debate isn't necessary. generally, work to get to a place where BSV isn't good. if it makes you more comfortable to take it now, go for it. don't be weird and berate anyone who's taking it
my only death so far was getting knocked off've one of the algethar platforms on purpose thinking charge would save me
it didn't
and bsv sadly would not have helped there
final gust
no path available 
chilly brook
I wouldn’t call saying “you don’t need it” and “prot being a training wheel spec currently already” berating
tender cove
anyway the debate isn't necessary. generally, work to get to a place where BSV i...
we had 40 deaths before reaching boss 2
wasnt a single dungeon either
not me but the group
chilly brook
my only death so far was getting knocked off've one of the algethar platforms on...
So it’s been a mostly wasted point investment
Thanks for proving the point
mighty valley
i literally said i have not been running bsv
mighty valley
we had 40 deaths before reaching boss 2
yeah another strike against bsv is that in this phase of key learning, the rest of the group is under way more threat than the tank
open mirage
hey guys, currently with the nerf to lariat, which are the best safest crafts first?
mighty valley
honestly a lot of the time you'd be faster just wiping up and going again rather than grinding it out as the last one standing
mellow quartz
just had first boss in Temple have its graphics stuck when she cast the beam but it was still going behind the scenes and nuked everyone
fun times, happened 2 times in a row
mighty valley
funny trend of game development that the old content is way more likely to be fucked up and broken than the new stuff
cursive burrow
I died the first time I did that last night bc I wasn't ready for the speed of him turning now.
vital sinew
gotta look where itaims, strafe right, and walk left
tender cove
yeah another strike against bsv is that in this phase of key learning, the rest ...
yeh and the biggest reason for our deaths was bruteforcing and not kicking everything etc.
I dunno. Obvs play better is always the right answer but I feel there gotta be some compromise too. It isn't all black and white
slim dove
yeh and the biggest reason for our deaths was bruteforcing and not kicking every...
the solution is literally play better...
mark stuff, call out kicks
assign stuns
cursive burrow
Also I keep wanting to pull like it's the old-school challenge mode.
tender cove
the solution is literally play better...
Yeh, thats what I said lol. But its also such an easy thing to say "just dont make mistakes" ok, cool. I'll keep that in mind.
slim dove
Yeh, thats what I said lol. But its also such an easy thing to say "just dont ma...
its a very easy thing to say.
practice with the same group
dont be afraid of failure
odd tree
Missed kicks/stuns and heals not knowing dmg profile is what's resulted in dps death. Week 1 of the season, so expected
tender cove
dont be afraid of failure
I'm not but it also makes it sound like i'm making mistakes on purpose xD
steep wraith
Temple does also seem a bit rough compared to other dungeons too tbf
I'd happily swap out something for BSV when damage doesn't really matter for timing the key and learning what will one shot you is what matters for consistency in playing well.
I'd rather proc BSV and carry on than die, and eventually you won't proc BSV in higher keys and you can drop it
chilly brook
Timing keys is very simple
If you want to learn and be consistent, then this week is literally just play safe and hold W a pack or two at a time and don’t die
slim dove
^
final gust
but m-muh key speedrun, why can't I +3 20s like I was at the end of last xpack during WEEK 1
steep wraith
Learning your limits though
chilly brook
You’ll learn your limits through trial and error
It’s fine to fail
That being said
steep wraith
Yep, and that's what BSV is a nice safety net I feel
chilly brook
If you’re playing safe
steep wraith
To let you fail safely for a bit
final gust
It’s fine to fail
tell that to half of the fotm 15 pushers
chilly brook
And which aren’t
And then you naturally start saying we can go faster
And double or triple pull here
final gust
if you're not doing the MDI pulls you're actively trolling
chilly brook
Without the need to use BSV because you’re making wild assumptions
final gust
or something like that
steep wraith
It's not too wild to think the last pull of temple won't clap you, it's just 1 pack
But it definitely will the first time you go there
fast knot
Doubts are spread around third boss room though
if people see mistweaver that ticked people out with cast because someone was late on kicking
they'll probably sooth that and potentially leave you to take a couple slashes that are Raging
ocean prairie
guys please raid is starting, what is a good dps oriented raid build?
mighty valley
oh cool you can spell reflect dark claw. get ruined losers
chilly brook
cursive burrow
Wait...what?
chilly brook
oh cool you can spell reflect dark claw. get ruined losers
It’s like we have tools or something
wary heath
Mob uses literally any ability, might not even be a spell ...me: hits spell reflect
final gust
Spell reflect is fantastic
ocean prairie
the max parse build?
final gust
I accidently spell reflect random crap all the time
if you're trying to max parse week 1 you're doing it wrong
mighty valley
if I don't know the packs yet I generally just press SR the second I see a cast bar
which probably means i'm reflecting some piddly bolt before the tank buster
final gust
spell reflect leg sweep ez pvp wins
wary heath
why is leg sweep on there
fast knot
I'm thinking that's probably what happened
graceful sand
Should I be taking Shockwave over Roar for higher keys?
fast knot
due to just getting blasted due to poor soothe coverage
mighty valley
i will say that it's hard to internalize the important stuff on the sheet without doing the dungeon
wary heath
take roar and shockwave
mighty valley
Should I be taking Shockwave over Roar for higher keys?
take both, take the roar capstone for bleed damage
fast knot
because that was getting through for massive damage
mighty valley
don't use shockwave as a dps cd
chilly brook
Temple does also seem a bit rough compared to other dungeons too tbf
And was this through block?
Because that seems fairly extreme assuming it was
graceful sand
Ah okay thank you
wary heath
temple pack damage is over tuned in some areas
mighty valley
And was this through block?
that blue means "blockable by spell block"
mighty valley
gottem
steep wraith
I've spec'd into spell block since then, the only scary thing is magic damage really atm
Especially in there, 3rd boss, those packs
mighty valley
i'm not above 10s yet but i'm still not willing to give up tough as nails
wary heath
i spell reflect holy radiance to heal MY party for 30% max hp
mighty valley
SW, SR, and demo shout have tiny CDs for babies, haven't felt a lack of overall dr%
steep wraith
Probably when you get to 15s you'll want another button to fill in gaps that ignore pain easily covers atm
wary heath
never give up tough as nails !!
uneven mason
We're still the tankiest (least susceptible to bursts of damage) of all the tanks at the moment.
uneven mason
Imagine being a monk rn
I'd trade another 5% on IP for their burst damage NGL
chilly brook
Honestly the best safety net you have rn is probably defensive stance
mighty valley
there's usually a key level where tank survivability becomes the group bottleneck but at least in the DF dungeons it seems like unhealable unstoppable group damage will get there first
wary heath
you can go against the mold and just sit in defensive stance, timed keys this week is about DPS idiots not dying, not the TANKS dps
chilly brook
^
mighty valley
but if we're not dying in battle stance anyway, might as well shorten the pack's lifespan
chilly brook
That’s where I would start if I was worried about survival tbh
wary heath
anything above 10, my ass is mostly in defensive stance until im not 370 ilvl anymore lmao
i've gotten 6 neck pieces so far as my loot
so im strugglin
wary heath
because it reads so well, and has two meaningful effects. I assume this trinket is very very bad
that's how blizz operates
still flame
Is it? Why does wowhead suggest it as bis then?
sonic jungle
What should we craft?
slim dove
Is it? Why does wowhead suggest it as bis then?
"wowhead"?
lyric elm
because it reads so well, and has two meaningful effects. I assume this trinket ...
isnt it very good?
still flame
And what about the life seed? Getting stacks and then max health, the stack generation is so low tho
slim dove
theres dozens of bad guides on wowhead.
mighty valley
because it reads so well, and has two meaningful effects. I assume this trinket ...
unless it's season 1 blood spattered scale, in which case it was just overtuned by 2x
sick sentinel
Is it? Why does wowhead suggest it as bis then?
this thing proc'd an entire 6 times in a 6 min dummy trial
still flame
theres dozens of bad guides on wowhead.
I just chcked and cant find it anymore, so i probably checked wrong before
sick sentinel
mighty valley
well........ it does say a low chance
still flame
😄
sonic jungle
Anyone know what i should craft with my first 2 sparks?
still flame
this thing proc'd an entire 6 times in a 6 min dummy trial
Thanks I was now talking bout the life seed trinket, when hit you get stacks, on use spend up to 6 stacks, gain max hp temp and something else
slim dove
rn your looking to snipe all-totem and possibly grieftorch.
slim dove
Anyone know what i should craft with my first 2 sparks?
alot of m+ tanks are making 405 weps
still flame
Asking vuz i got a good ilvl for it but it feels weak
sonic jungle
How come shield first?
vivid orchid
block value is very strong
still flame
Any tips on YT author who uploads tank pull guides for DF m+ runs?
still flame
Preferably war ❤️
wary heath
Tactyks makes guides for all M+ dungeons and routes, and is aimed at tanks that PUG and not MDT / Team / Dratnos style videos
from a tank perspective
onyx matrix
wow how did you get it so high
sonic jungle
Because Icy veins claims that the neck is BIS with the special effect
still flame
Tactyks makes guides for all M+ dungeons and routes, and is aimed at tanks that ...
Fantastic thank you
slim dove
wow how did you get it so high
primal infusion.
idle summit
Sorry, new here can I ask which stats should I look for?
slim dove
primal infusion from razsageth on normal ?
thats one source.
wary heath
i haven't even entered the raid yet
slim dove
where are people getting them
max rep, 11-16 mythics
sick sentinel
wow how did you get it so high
primal focus
weary notch
a socket is worth roughly how many ilvls. Say, 372 w/ socket vs 376. Socket item better?
wary heath
i'd take the non socket cause it's gonna be replaced anyway and I don't want to buy a gem
at 372
weary notch
that's a good point. I stuck a cheap gem in it for now, but I'll try rockin the 376
vivid orchid
lmao they aren't that rare
loud patrol
im gonna get an alt with jc
dark lark
Quick question: Is Sidearm really better than Barbaric Training for keys? Or is it because the wowhead calculator swapped the talents (because they used to be in opposite spots)? I'm referencing off the pinned builds
wary heath
two different things at play here
silent cave
Quick question: Is Sidearm really better than Barbaric Training for keys? Or is ...
BT is a trap
weary notch
Feelycraft warning: Barbaric Training is flat out more dmg for sure, but I think the sims show it as an overall survivability loss, especially with the 2pc set bonus coming up. I'm running it right now because I'm not taking a ton of damage and I've got so much rage in M+ that I sometimes can't spend it all with the 1 sec CD on IP
but in higher keys with a lot of dmg I suspect you won't want BT
wary heath
i think barbaric training is fine to take in keys if you already have a great management of rage and sense to not use senseless revenge spams
dark lark
But it's almost impossible to run out of rage with purely Revenge, it comes down to IP use if anything
wary heath
there's lots of incoming rage in M+
it's fine to take
I've only gone up to 12, though
weary notch
I even tried dropping bloodsurge in M+ and I was still swimming in rage. I'm only up to 8 atm, though
jagged pier
if u guys are swimming in rage with barbaric or dropping BS u are not playing correctly
rugged root
Am I not suppose to be spamming revenge when thunder is on cd
weary notch
I only hit non-procced revenge when I know I'm going to cap rage even if I use IP
wary heath
no one is swimming in rage, BT is great, just dont be dumb with it
dark lark
I'm just confirming that @strong forum is taking Sidearm over Barbaric in his pinned build
weary notch
and occasionally when I need to pick up additional mobs and my other aoe abilities are on CD
dark lark
Thats all I wanted to ask
wary heath
take both, you dont need to drop one or the other
otherwise nom will do more dps than you
dark lark
Eh I'm losing out on utility then, which I like having
wary heath
utility of what
rugged root
Okay I just curious
weary notch
that's my float point I use for bounding stride or Int Shout
rugged root
Was wondering why my dmg was lower compared to another prot tank
tender cove
Show of force vs champions bulwark, which one does more dps vs each other?
weary notch
Nothing wrong with that. But Bounding Stride can come in really handy at times. Int shout less so, but it's not useless
mellow quartz
I would not give up int shout
mighty valley
it's just yet another interrupt effect
mellow quartz
it's so easy
was even easier before they buffed his hp
wary heath
there's probably 2 points in this tree that are definitely preference
i like the full damage
onyx matrix
how high can the rare spawn loot scale to? im sitting on ilvl 380 atm
mighty valley
not essential if your group is smart on cc
mellow quartz
but was also a cluster fuck a month ago on beta before the nerf
sonic jungle
If i can craft weapon and shoulder?
mighty valley
i'm still not running barb training, don't think i'd be comfy with rage in single target yet
sonic jungle
Weapon and shield, Should i do it?
weary notch
BT isn't for ST
strong forum
BT is shit
mighty valley
sure, but every key has bosses
loud patrol
gonna lvl a jc and make lariats for 1 copper
weary notch
I mean, you can qualify all of this by saying: the pins are optimal. Doesn't make sub optimal shit. Just slightly less optimal. Play what makes you comfy
tender cove
I mean, you can qualify all of this by saying: the pins are *optimal*. Doesn't m...
People dont come here to learn how to play sub optimal, you can do that on your own.
mighty valley
they don't even claim to be optimal, just general purpose with flex points
modern brook
I prefer the term justifiable
weary notch
but some people overvalue the word optimal. Like "if I don't run exactly what's in the pins I shouldn't even attempt M+ at all
strong forum
I mean, you can qualify all of this by saying: the pins are *optimal*. Doesn't m...
thats the thing about BT
its not even comfortable to play
cuz youll ragestarve yourself
wary heath
both the pinned posts by nom, the wowhead guy by llarold, all have BT, lmao
dont be a hypocrite
or change it
dark lark
both the pinned posts by nom, the wowhead guy by llarold, all have BT, lmao
He takes Sidearm, which is my original question
mighty valley
the pinned general purpose build does not
dark lark
Nom doesn't have BT in any of his builds
tender cove
both the pinned posts by nom, the wowhead guy by llarold, all have BT, lmao
I copied noms build 5 min ago, it doesn't.
jagged pier
both the pinned posts by nom, the wowhead guy by llarold, all have BT, lmao
can u read?
mighty valley
yeah wait none of these do, what are you talking about
sick sentinel
im not sure if hes trolling
modern brook
Huh
strong forum
and confused both of those talents
sick sentinel
but the guy's #1 pwar rn
mighty valley
damn hypocrites
sick sentinel
dark lark
weary notch
the wowhead M+ guide straight up has BT
tender cove
i think he means seismic
I admire how nice you always are, no matter the question or topic. Always such a nice guy.
wary heath
are you trolling? it absolutely does it all your wowhead guides
what can't I read
??
jagged pier
nome doesnt write the wowhead guides??????????
weary notch
pins do not. Wowhead absolutely does
strong forum
yes
dark lark
Nom is not Llarold
strong forum
nah he just played bad
wary heath
when did I say nom writes wowhead guides, wtf
strong forum
but also its a +6
wary heath
so confused
tender cove
Its a 100% rank, how does he play bad?
calm sapphire
Its a 100% rank, how does he play bad?
For the key
warm plinth
M+ parse rankings are meaningless
calm sapphire
All that means is low sample size
mighty valley
key% is an awful metric, especially this early in the season
strong forum
theyre not meaningless, just very very few people do log
tender cove
ohh. it based on key level?
jagged pier
this implies u nmean nome as llarod isnt part of the conversaion
mighty valley
the fdk i play with did double this dps, just doesn't log
strong forum
and all good ones are already higher
dark lark
so confused
Okay to clear the air: Nom's pinned build does not have BT. Llarold's Wowhead guide does. You claimed the builds by all of these authors had BT
wary heath
okay then let's clear the air, since both are used as objective places for us to go
BT trash or not ?
sorry for confusion on names
strong forum
Can you explain this to me please
eww who plays that
loud patrol
thats old or its my idea?
strong forum
yeah okay
sick sentinel
mighty valley
#1 io prot warriors have a history of not really knowing the spec
ebon wren
for pushing +17, ya you can probably take it
dark lark
but this guy is #1 io pwar atm
It's been like literally 26 hours since M+ released, calm down
strong forum
yeah like
ocean yoke
but this guy is #1 io pwar atm
Probably just means he's had more time to be online than everyone else
strong forum
dont look too closely
hes just playing
but his build fucking sucks
very suboptimal
but its pwar
mighty valley
there's a lot of situational talent build stuff but this one is pretty objectively wrong lmao
strong forum
its good enough to get by cuz 100% block
tender cove
but his build fucking sucks
It's also a good reminder how little individual talents actually matter.
calm sapphire
Also, should I be nearly outhealing the healer in an M+
uneven mason
Monk is universally the least played class
uneven mason
Also, should I be nearly outhealing the healer in an M+
Yes
oblique hedge
guys got a build link for me for st, need to tank raid all of a sudden
calm sapphire
Ring of Peace
uneven mason
To explain the healing item, think of IP as that annoying disc priest that snipes everyone's heals because absorbs get used first
sick sentinel
i got to 2.7k 3 weeks into S4 and by the end of the season I was 2.75k xddddddddddd
mighty valley
there's going to be a lot more group healing in higher keys
sick sentinel
prime gaming experiences
literally no one over 25 was taking any other tank except dk
uneven mason
there's going to be a lot more group healing in higher keys
Lol you think healers can heal 1shots
mighty valley
you're right, there's nothing inbetween +2 and one-shots
uneven mason
It's not far off
tender cove
are there some dungeon guides? In more tldr format? 5-15 minute per dungeon, video guides?
loud patrol
soon ill be making lariats for 5k per tip
uneven mason
Even a +5 seeing passive ae just obliterate DPS
lusty tiger
Even a +5 seeing passive ae just obliterate DPS
So far I could not imagine pugging a healer whatsoever
I would have quit dragonflight already
uneven mason
Yeah that 40% extra HP didn't help DPS survive at all
lusty tiger
It does barely
But getting targeted by enraged fort mobs is like insta death pre +10
For the DDs
mighty valley
i think people are misidentifying ground swirlies and interrupts and soothables all as "unavoidable ae"
uneven mason
It really is
mighty valley
the actual hard ae is tough but not unhealable
urban portal
Yeah that 40% extra HP didn't help DPS survive at all
Well the 40% hp they also made everything do 40% more damage
mighty valley
and at higher numbers needs a big CD or personals
urban portal
It’s a healer nerf
uneven mason
Well the 40% hp they also made everything do 40% more damage
The lesson they didn't learn from Legion Fury
urban portal
It literally wasn’t supposed to affect dps survival
lusty tiger
My DH was leeching 20k hps on the poison pack before the tree boss in AA
uneven mason
It literally wasn’t supposed to affect dps survival
And it didn't
lusty tiger
I double pull almost every pack because my healer has no choice
mighty valley
the dangerous stuff in court is avoidable, the vfx are weak and it has annoying LOS effects though
uneven mason
I Will say, being a melee in most dungeons so far must feel like shit, because the raw amount of "lol time to leave melee" is obtuse
weary python
Guide recommend Ruby Whelp Shell, but the WoWhead comments say the trinket is all over the place. Is there any information on how to use this trinket optimally?
vital sinew
If you get lucky with profs you can skip enforcers, which saves a hefty chunk of time
edgy grail
Well the 40% hp they also made everything do 40% more damage
No that’s not true. It depends WHAT kind of survival tools each class has. A class with % reductions wouldn’t see a change. A class that part of their kit is a heal, that heal is now less effective (like say hunter or even evoker).
urban portal
I’m saying for dps
edgy grail
Yes exactly
urban portal
Obviously it affects different specs differently
mighty valley
most of the dps personal heals are % based too
edgy grail
Defensives CDs that are not % are all weaker now after that change
urban portal
But in general the intent isn’t supposed to change
Which dps cds aren’t % based is my question
lusty tiger
Defensives CDs that are not % are all weaker now after that change
RIP pallys, DKs
edgy grail
Literally healing your self on a class
lusty tiger
Ele sham??
edgy grail
Like druid
Shaman
Evoker
Or snything that is spell power based
It is now** weaker
lusty tiger
Mages
edgy grail
Yed blazing barrier for example
warm plinth
🤔
edgy grail
Or is thst %
warm plinth
What are you guys talking about
lusty tiger
I’m p sure it’s spellpower
warm plinth
Blazing Barrier is based on your max health
edgy grail
Yea the hit back is SP
lusty tiger
Ah
warm plinth
Almost all actual "defensive" spells are based on either a percent reduction of damage, or heal you based on a % of your max HP
mighty valley
the dps versions of self heals are a tiny part of the defensive toolkit of those specs
fallen pulsar
Is the wowhead rotation/priority and opener correct?
warm plinth
Like if we're talking about like...healing surge, sure that's SP based, but that's also not what I'd consider a defensive spell
That's like a last resort when your healer dies, not something you generally would use regularly
edgy grail
Ok word of glory id a better example
It does get increased by missing health but that effect id based in missing % health not total health
urban portal
Wog is the same, you gotta be pretty desperate to use it
But yeah self healing hybrid specs did get weaker
warm plinth
If it doesn't have a CD, it's not a "defensive"; it's just a heal spell. That's my opinion on it.
Like you could call Exhilaration a defensive, but not like, flash heal
mighty valley
we're digging pretty deep to find the edge cases that were negatively impacted by this outside of the main intent
warm plinth
yeah
I agree
The vast majority of survival abilities were not negatively impacted by this
lusty tiger
To me- yay 40% more hp big D warrior
To my healer- why do +5s feel like I’m solo healing d-day
He actually said that
warm plinth
😂
placid vale
Guys, the Embellishment from the Infurious Helmet of Vengeance is any good?
uneven mason
@shut summit can we wait until next week to pump, you're going to get us nerfed
stiff gate
anyone else doing keys around 13-15 and feel hard locked into storm bolt, shockwave, intimidating shout, and disrupting shout? I feel like there's 20 stops required per pack at this point its kind of crazy
uneven mason
anyone else doing keys around 13-15 and feel hard locked into storm bolt, shockw...
Require more from your dps
stiff gate
any random cast that goes off just hits a dps for like 50% of their health
strong forum
disruptive shout is more situational but yes
intim shout + shockwave + stormbolt should be hard locked by you
uneven mason
They've got buttons
stiff gate
i mean we've been calling kicks and such but in places like nokhud there's packs where 3-4 mobs in there just spam lightning bolt casts at people
strong forum
nokhud an RLP are the 2 dungeons where disruptive shout is very very good
maybe even azure vault aswell
uneven mason
Vault for sure
slim dove
nokhud an RLP are the 2 dungeons where disruptive shout is very very good
what would you drop for disrupting shout?
strong forum
sof
stiff gate
i like it in vault because it seems like there are some double pulls that you cant really do without it unless you have another big aoe cc from a dps somewhere
strong forum
the first talent you drop to get something else is SoF
faint mural
Hi everyone, are we looking to craft 1h with embellishments or a lariat with our sparks this week?
stiff gate
yeah im just dropping damage talents for more cc
slim dove
the first talent you drop to get something else is SoF
im furybrained, SoF?
stiff gate
show of force
strong forum
show of force
stiff gate
its the TC/Revenge buff talent
dark lark
the first talent you drop to get something else is SoF
Even Punish? SOF is an aoe ability whereas Punish is a ST ability
tardy sequoia
is it legal that a blood DK needed gaze of the living quarry because it is crit main? and guild didn't want me to need it because it is not haste main? to me it's stealing
uneven mason
Wat
tardy sequoia
it was an ilvl upgrade for both
dark lark
I feel like over a dungeon saccing Punish is less dps loss
past lark
it was an ilvl upgrade for both
Then your guild is trolling you or dumb as rocks
Ilvl over everything
uneven mason
is it legal that a blood DK _needed_ gaze of the living quarry because it is cr...
It's like day 1 wat loot drama
past lark
Yeah lmao
Honestly even worse i had a fury in my raid need on the fire trink off eranog
slim dove
past lark
Also do we have any other Rasz killers in the chat yet
warm plinth
@ionic fern hi ily
ionic fern
<@238357283996696576> hi ily
How's raid?
tardy sequoia
yeah someone brought up that argument but other warriors (even dps) just didn't say anything
past lark
yeah someone brought up that argument but other warriors (even dps) just didn't ...
This is like some weird game of thrones political shit where they plotted against you, idk what to say
ionic fern
😦
ionic fern
I don't raid D:
I'm in raid now.
past lark
I think you should write a forum post about it
ionic fern
On the last boss.
warm plinth
pog
ionic fern
minor helm
Mwahi u own
ionic fern
Mwahi u own
No you.
past lark
Mwahi more like Mwahaha
strong forum
Even Punish? SOF is an aoe ability whereas Punish is a ST ability
Bosses and prio targets aren't a piece of cake
past lark
On the last boss.
What phase you get to so far?
shut summit
<@105027920459776000> can we wait until next week to pump, you're going to get u...
🤷♂️
deft hazel
why cant i post shadowmoon dungeon in lfg
tulip kelp
Disrupting Shout feels more important then Intim Shout and Storm Bolt for me... but maybe need to be more creative with LOS for grouping shit up
dark lark
Stormbolt and Intim don't
Makes sense, ty
warm plinth
If Blizz came to you and said you could make one change to the spec tree, what change would you make?
ionic fern
What phase you get to so far?
We just got on the boss, did first pull, down to 60%.
tulip kelp
How else do you group stuff up then? So many packs have ranged and casters that will just sit there and spam
warm plinth
if it was removed, would you just leave that area empty or replace it with something else?
strong forum
Leave it empty cuz I lack inspiration
warm plinth
😂
chrome falcon
i was going to make a crafted shield before my raid
chrome falcon
but then i got a 385 one from m+
and now i have a 405 one from raid
so i don't know what to craft
maybe still just shield?
strong forum
Weapon
slim dove
^
strong forum
Or neck
chrome falcon
sorry 402
ionic fern
chrome falcon
lariat nom?
blazing condor
what the H E double hockey sticks is lariat
chrome falcon
389 but better than what i had
idk dog apparently it's a juiced neck
recipe comes from primal storms
loud patrol
really rare
warm plinth
Blizz: more accessibility!
Also Blizz: do this shooting quest with awful hitboxes
uneven mason
what the H E double hockey sticks is lariat
A necklace
past lark
We just got on the boss, did first pull, down to 60%.
Hell yeah. Honestly such a fun fight, I think this is the best last boss since Denathrius
warm plinth
say best last boss 5 times fast
past lark
Best last boss
Best last boss
Best Ghash boss
Ghash is best
Best boss Ghash
warm plinth
Nailed it
blazing condor
bish bash ghash
past lark
Damn yeah i guess i can’t do it
chrome falcon
tfw i'm parsing purples that would have been oranges if there was still no-one playing this class
actually honestly not even
i'm garbage
washed up
chrome falcon
i'm 60 cpm
chrome falcon
which feels like pretty close to as high as we can reasonable go
but maybe i'm wrong
ionic fern
tfw i'm parsing purples that would have been oranges if there was still no-one p...
Same.
ionic fern
Well, i've gotten in top 10 all fights so far
Except for Dirna.
But
Damn
I'm playing horribly
chrome falcon
you doing normal or hc
pallid quiver
maybe we were never good
maybe you just need more simp splaves to farm you up max gear, consumables, and give you seventeen different version of PI
warm plinth
Has anyone even killed Rast on heroic yet
pallid quiver
i haven't even entered the raid yet; was planning on trying to pug it today maybe
lusty tiger
but then purple for ilvl %
pallid quiver
but then i keep thinking "do i really wannnna pug?"
warm plinth
Anyone wanna put wagers on how far into the expansion we'll be before they fix the Azure Span lag?
heavy temple
Seal of Filial Duty is that ring any good for us?
lusty tiger
That 30% move speed felt weird to lose that’s for sure
lusty tiger
Always getting gooder
warm plinth
learn from my example
I have learned from the Luerce school of prot war
warm plinth
Seal of Filial Duty is that ring any good for us?
It's a ring. That's how good it is for us.
pallid quiver
At any rate, how pug friendly is Vault? Should I stick to normal or fuck it heroic full send? Keep in mind I'm lazy as fuck with regards to raiding now
Never been the same since my guild in MoP stopped
oblique garnet
Last boss
Good
Choose one
jagged pier
last 2 on normal not best for pugs
warm plinth
Wasn't Sire good? I enjoyed that fight
jagged pier
not for pugs
slim dove
It was good
oblique garnet
Sire was good yes
slim dove
Bad for pugs
long stone
Kurog is a funny boss 😄
slim dove
10min+ fight where the only difficulty is p3
heavy temple
It's a ring. That's how good it is for us.
can i even proc it somehow?
or is the proc completely dead?
chrome falcon
was anyone else experiencing getting 1 shot on uhh
terrog
terroc?
whatever big rock man
oblique garnet
Did you fall
chrome falcon
my BDK was getting melee'd for literally 450k
out of nowhere
without having a ton of stacks
pallid quiver
understood, clear 3 bosses, watch raid fall apart instantly, wonder why i wasted my time for no loot
chrome falcon
like he has 1 maybe 2 stacks and the boss straight globals him
wasn't me that died late i never die now that this class is good
nothing does any fucking damage ever
it's great
pallid quiver
I've doed to Waterspeaker Mari.
My entire party got water jetted so I attempted to suicide to get the DPS back for a faster clear
chrome falcon
that boss is bugged though
pallid quiver
It took a non-zero amount of effort because I forgot to stand in the beam
chrome falcon
the visual for the beam is wildly incorrect
my whole group was stood behind him and we all instantly died
pallid quiver
They stood directly in the beam
warm plinth
can i even proc it somehow?
If you had a fire damage trinket you could proc it, or something like that. But largely it's just stats for us.
heavy temple
If you had a fire damage trinket you could proc it, or something like that. But...
ok so it would be good for like vdh?
warm plinth
Yeah both rings are great for like VDH, fire mage, anything that deals fire damage really
But they also happen to be the only two rings in the raid for some ungodly fucking reason
warm plinth
You probably can
heavy temple
i got the 389 cobalt assemblyring, and a 382 ring with a socked (haste vers)
which one would you replace first
warm plinth
Which 389 ring
oblique garnet
my whole group was stood behind him and we all instantly died
I didnt see that bug once today
warm plinth
the damage proc or the shield
warm plinth
Probably the 382 would get replaced first if I was using the damage one
heavy temple
thats where i am currently 11/12
warm plinth
But you can sim
heavy temple
But you can sim
yeah i know, but thats just for damage
warm plinth
The shield is kinda meh I'd imagine since IP gets consumed first and it only lasts 12 sec iirc?
chrome falcon
I didnt see that bug once today
this could just be 5 separate groups copiuming
but i trust all those players
warm plinth
Sounds like they all just suck, especially that Mattacate guy
warm plinth
❤️
chrome falcon
but don't come at my lil guys
pallid quiver
I'm pretty sure it's basically his same beam
Which is to say bugged as fuck, but it 100% hits where the visual is at least
chrome falcon
i think the beam is supposed to just rotate around the room
oblique garnet
Are you sure you didnt die to the water on the ground?
chrome falcon
but we had a pull where he randomly turned around
pallid quiver
There's also that
oblique garnet
Because that also has a mechanic that can kill you if you move
chrome falcon
yeah no i know
but i assure you we were all just sat on a safe spot behind the boss
and we all died to the beam
oblique drift
Does Battle-Scarred Veteran apply retroactively, or no? As in, say an attack brings you from 40% hp to 5% hp - would that attack have its damage reduced by bsv, or would bsv only apply to the damage incoming after that?
pallid quiver
something something logs
chrome falcon
no
battle scarred procs the first time you hit a health value below 35%
WoTN works like you described, BSV does not
you get a buff when you go below 35% that's it
oblique drift
Hmm okay, yeah that makes it seem not super great
chrome falcon
nah it's still pretty insane
in the situation where you actually need a cheat death
if you go 40%->0 on this class you fucked up pretty horrifically
oblique garnet
but i assure you we were all just sat on a safe spot behind the boss
interesting out of all the bosses in jade i didnt think that would cause issues
warm plinth
Isn't bsv still bugged
sick sentinel
cos is pwar heaven
chrome falcon
but you're almost certainly not doing content where you need it
oblique garnet
When the 3rd boss was just doing some illegal things to our dh tank
warm plinth
Where it goes off premit damage
oblique drift
It's not going from 40% - 0% really, it's that if an attack leaves you well under the 35%, you still have to receive healing extremely quickly or are in danger of death
strong forum
in the situation where you actually need a cheat death
Bsv can proc at 100% hp and cause your hp to not even move
And just go on cooldown
It procs pre-mitigation
chrome falcon
ok well that's hilarious
warm plinth
My favorite SR this season is the throw torch
chrome falcon
^
strong forum
Like vs jailer
oblique drift
the hardest pull for me so far (including bosses) is the last pull in jade serpent before the final boss
chrome falcon
SR on throw torch is great
because it takes so long for the torch to reach the mob
but as soon as it does
oblique drift
that would definitely make it a lot easier
lyric geode
Trully. It feels so bad to go to 10s and be betrayed by your internet
I have to predict the future like the oracle
oblique drift
yeah I think that's the best way to approach it
the reason I was considering taking bsv at all was because of that pull lol
steel juniper
Anyone have any prot streamers to recommend? Preferably working through heroic
opaque light
just returning to Prot Warrior since BFA... why aren't people using Bolster along with Anger Managment?
loud patrol
"reasonable" i guess i think most people aim for 100% uptime
sage granite
just returning to Prot Warrior since BFA... why aren't people using Bolster alon...
Top prot warrior in rio using bolster and AM so not sure what you're looking at
toxic gyro
Did they break @fluid parrotget in macros? My ravager lands in Africa half the time
pallid quiver
ah shit, the io arguments are coming again
strong forum
just returning to Prot Warrior since BFA... why aren't people using Bolster alon...
Am doesn't reduce last stand CD anymore
pallid quiver
at least bolster isn't terrible like codex was
strong forum
Did they break <@255439766244294666>get in macros? My ravager lands in Africa ha...
@ target never worked
Only for like 2 weeks
And it was never intended to work
deft vessel
OOOOO why thnak you world boss
crystal mauve
You can use @stoic erminesor for ravager, it usually does a good job
sick sentinel
Poor cur
strong forum
He's not active
100%
Cuz I run HR now
Itf was awful to play
Had to tryhard so much to play around block downtime
Cba
pallid quiver
I got like 98% from an mob slapping me as i charged in ;-;
i simply need to get good
deft vessel
that feel when you don't complete the world quest of the world boss but you tanked it the whole way through and also got loot from it???
sharp bone
which would you go for first, crafter shield or weapon?
onyx briar
What's a good ilvl for 10's?
pallid quiver
377 was very comfy
onyx briar
Ok, I got some work to do. Thanks!
pallid quiver
Could probably still be chilling at like 367
round delta
I know that binding is very personal thing
i usually use a MMO mouse, with 12 buttons, i said it to a friend of mine that usually rush mithycs and said "so slow". Its feels better and quickly to use keyboard bindings rather tan MMO mouse?
my problem usually is a little hand
strong forum
that feel when you don't complete the world quest of the world boss but you tank...
Ya it's super bugged, killed it twice but quest didn't complete
Wdym. Even with HR I did 55k dps in AA
round delta
I tried time ago to bind QWERTY ASDF ZXCV and move pushing the 2 mouse buttons but don't know
strong forum
Idk exactly what you're asking
pallid quiver
I think Moo's got the idea that HR is a quality of life choice
round delta
if its really better to bind things in keyboard
modern brook
i usually use a MMO mouse, with 12 buttons, i said it to a friend of mine that u...
Are you sure he doesn't think you're literally clicking the buttons
round delta
(faster, smooth, dont know)
modern brook
Having the binds on your mmo mouse vs on your keyboard is a matter of personal ergonomics
Clicking on your bars is stinky
strong forum
The diff between HR and itf build is explained in pins @astral atlas
HR is consistent and safe
Itf has higher highs and lower lows
And if your pulls last too long, you'll have gaps in your mitigation
And you will 100% have gaps on bosses
narrow vigil
Hey everyone, For sparks do we follow the pins in the fury warrior discord, or should we craft a shield?
fading tide
Is it still worth it to be killing these super rares?
strong forum
Lariat for bis slot
Shield if you want good ilvl one quickly
Same goes for weapon @narrow vigil
strong forum
Is it still worth it to be killing these super rares?
Dont think so no
loud patrol
man lariat is hard
sacred flare
Any one know the proc rate on strike twice?
strong forum
Very low
loud patrol
been farming for 2 hours on primal storms no recipe
strong forum
Strike twice is free dmg, but very very very low
narrow vigil
Lariat for bis slot
Shield if you want good ilvl one quickly
Same goes for weapo...
Thank you!
strong forum
It's super sexy
slim dove
imagine if it had gag order too
sacred flare
Doesnt titanic throw work with Improved heroic throw also?
reef haven
Hey, with the Elemental Lariat neck, if I use a haste/vers gem, does it increase both stats when it procs?
icy lintel
Hey prot warrs. How are you handling overgrown ancient in 7+ keys? When the little adds spawn they annihilate me. How are y’all staying alive through this? I try leaping away but still die when they catch up.
dry kayak
What do y’all take out to talent in titanic throw?
solid glen
I kept wiping in 10 and 13 on the tree boss in the academy....
I just don't get it
strong forum
Doesnt titanic throw work with Improved heroic throw also?
It does but its not worth the point
urban portal
Doesnt titanic throw work with Improved heroic throw also?
Yes it does
strong forum
I kept wiping in 10 and 13 on the tree boss in the academy....
I just don't get...
Shit dps
The plants have to die
Quickly
urban portal
I’ve been saying titanic throw was giga qol day 1 no one believed me
strong forum
Clear your debuffs in the puddle from the healing branch