protection

[mighty valley]

There’s a lot of stuff that can give you way higher gear at low chances it seems

[hollow mesa]

Ya that’s why I was wondering if anyones good with logs/vod lol

I have vods and logs from like 9 dungeons run today plus a full normal run (only wipes on last boss)

[mighty valley]

I’m about to go to sleep but a lot of people here would be down to check logs or vods

[hollow mesa]

Awesome. Me too so I’ll post some tomorrow

[compact jackal]

finna just do bracers and helm

[craggy pilot]

where do i get my first keystone? do i need to clear 1x M0?

[blazing condor]

you can also do someone elses key

[wary heath]

I'm doing between 35 to 40 overall

[blazing condor]

seems right now (according to wowhead) that if you do a DF dungeon you get higher keystones

so if you do a +10 DF dungeon you get a +9 key

[lone eagle]

Can't decide what I want to play in raid

Went in with bear and got some rank 1-3 parses but feel squishy into certain damage profiles. How has late normal and early heroic felt for you guys?

[next burrow]

hello wars in arms... why does it say that mastery is better then vers now? dont we have enough block already/.

[lone eagle]

Prob swapping to a more defensive build since I'm not getting gear until all DPS have tier

[next burrow]

just did a court of stars 10, forgot everything man it hurtssss

[lone eagle]

Definitely was feeling the pain in a 13 Nokhud on my 374 pwar

2nd boss wrecked us and we decided to pick it up tomorrow since we were all exhausted

[next burrow]

prolly set bonus to push i suppose

[upbeat salmon]

or just higher ilvl ?

[weak kettle]

Wut

[next burrow]

yea

valor upgrades worth for weapons?

[upbeat salmon]

374 for a 13 is defo a good stretch

[next burrow]

seems expensive

[weak kettle]

What tech do you need cuz

[upbeat salmon]

i'd bank on valor atm

just play keys

[next burrow]

thanks for the advice thumpa

[upbeat salmon]

i mean you get GV next week with a 99% upgrade chance regarldess of what it is

and you're gonna be loot left and right until you plateau on key lvl

spending valor now would be a waste imo

but i'm not your dad 🙂

[long stone]

sure?

u dont know

[craggy pilot]

azure vault 🤔 should i be pressing more Revenj i guess?

25k overall, feels kinda low

for Court of Stars how important is it to have someone poison the vial in the start?

[warm plinth]

Pretty important? It's a very easy time save

If no one poisons it, instead of dying instantly at 20%, he gets a damage buff

[craggy pilot]

ye ok, so its either rog or alchemist?

ill put it in my Court of Stars note 😄

[warm plinth]

I am like...75% sure they added druid to that back in Legion but I could be wrong

[craggy pilot]

oh

[warm plinth]

They had gone through and done a bunch of additions to who could use the items

and I'm pretty sure that was one of them

[craggy pilot]

how do i get to Court of stars easy?

[warm plinth]

Uh, assuming they didn't put a portal there in Valdrakken, go to Org>Aszuna>fly

[bold linden]

There are Portals in valdrakken afaik

[compact jackal]

I wish I was on Illidan. They have the wristguards recipe for 200k. Meanwhile my server doesn't even have one.

[craggy pilot]

Shadowmoon Valley one?

[warm plinth]

No

It would be Suramar I imagine

[compact jackal]

It's also simming above lariat for me which is interesting.

[warm plinth]

If there is one

[craggy pilot]

Dalaran i guess then

[warm plinth]

Yeah Dalaran

[bold linden]

53.79, 55.31

https://raidbuff.com/where-are-the-portals-in-valdrakken/#where-are-the-mythic-plus-dungeon-portals-in-valdrakken

[craggy pilot]

i know where they are, just no clue which one to take

[bold linden]

Oh okay, Not Sure shadowmoon ist burial Dungeon

Thats Not for cos

[warm plinth]

I'm assuming the portals are Dalaran, Shadowmoon Valley and Jade Forest.

Dalaran would be Halls of Valor/Court of Stars, Shadowmoon Valley for Shadowmoon Burial Grounds, and Jade Forest for Temple of the Jade Serpent.

[bold linden]

Sounds legit

[sharp bone]

so lariat still the play even after the adjustment?

[compact jackal]

Yes and no I suppose?

[reef jackal]

is elemental lariat good for prot?

[long stone]

just bis atm

[civic zodiac]

So lariat + what else?

Moltden defender with spikes?

[blazing idol]

Primary stat proc on a neck is insane ofc it’s good for everyone

[latent hedge]

is bv still bugged?

[warm plinth]

yes

[latent hedge]

thx

[craggy pilot]

you can do any Embellishment rly

Lariat is probably only worth for certain people

theres no Embellishment tier list

[craggy pilot]

??? its secondary stat my guy

[open gazelle]

Primal ritual shell earth good for us?? 90k absorb proc

[mystic radish]

Would you switch the Cobalt ring? o: Or is it too broken

[craggy pilot]

probably decent, but also sounds a bit overkill

[warm plinth]

I'd swap it. Would be a different story if you had the damage proc one

[mystic radish]

Should I take the dmg one as Prot? 😄

[warm plinth]

I would

The proc is pretty strong

[mystic radish]

Oh. ok 😄

Wowhead bis list good?

[warm plinth]

Not sure if the bis lists have been updated at all for the actual season launch

You can always sim too

[mystic radish]

Sim for tank? O:

[warm plinth]

For DPS, yeah

[mystic radish]

Is there any sweet spot for our 2nd stats? Like about 25% haste and so on?

[stiff plover]

Are the alchemy trinkets worth for prot?

[upbeat pine]

should I add vers/crit/haste enchants to rings?

[blazing condor]

haste that shit

you only got 16% thats low

[median tulip]

I've been using that thing set to fire tbh

[blazing condor]

unless things have changed with the new xpac 40% haste is to aim for

[mystic radish]

ooof 😄

And how about crit/vers? O:

Feeling like crit is much worse compared to vers :C

[blazing condor]

no real thresholds you need to it tbh just as much as possible without giving up strength and a lot of haste

[median tulip]

No. There are no magic numbers or break points; simply get as much haste as you can get your hands on (without sacrificing primary stat or block value)

[blazing condor]

secondaries aren't gonna be the deciding factor anyway, Haste feels great to have much of then its jsut kinda whatever

[tired pivot]

is lariat still the thing we craft, after the nerf?

[median tulip]

Haste directly translates into active mitigation (shield block) uptime; beyond that the other three secondaries are much of a muchness, with the caveat that if one falls way behind the others then it becomes more valuable to increase it, because they all tend to act multiplicatively with each other.

[mystic radish]

Would like to know as well 😄 got a 395 from world boss

[unreal lily]

Hey guys do valor points carry over to the following week or do you have to spend them before reset and would you guys recommend upgrading your lowest ivl items or higher ones in hopes that you will replace the lower ones with gear from higher keys?

[warm plinth]

They will carry over for the entire season.

There's no rush to spend valor, so just hang on to it until you feel like you've hit a plateau as far as what key level you're going to be able to do, then start upgrading

[tired pivot]

if you are going hardcore, upgrading what is weak, while also choosing a viable item is how you should do it

BiS items are less relevant than, say 20 ilvl

in the short term

with that said, I will be making the better stuff longer term, even with going a bit hardcore

[unreal lily]

Alright cool thanks guys!!

[mystic radish]

So what about Lariat now 🙂 Worth crafting eventho I have a 395 neck?

[median tulip]

The best way to use Valor is to wait until you can upgrade alread decent items to max. There's not a lot of point in upgrading something that you can simply replace with a better drop.

[coarse flower]

what talents are the top na warriors running for keys rn?

is there much deviation from what was posted in wowhead

[steady steppe]

Opinions on trolls bezerking racial??

[blazing condor]

[steady steppe]

[solar crown]

How do you get to halls of valor from valdrakken? wasnt here supposed to be a portal to the m+ dungeons?

[steady steppe]

Dalaran portal

[solar crown]

and from there you fly?

[steady steppe]

Yea

[solar crown]

allright, thanks! 🙂

[long stone]

aiden the accord - scales to what ilvl?

382?

[atomic flicker]

We got a list of spell reflectable stuff yet?

[latent sail]

So coming here to confirm because this is on my pwar, haven’t really played since bfa. Warrior has engineering. The breath of neltharion tinker, it’s a channel that you can’t do anything else during?

[craggy pilot]

[craggy pilot]

heard its channel yes

[obsidian path]

Same as the Scale of Neltharion active but without the shield block effect 🤔

I liked that spell

[latent sail]

So if I was to create the goggles, is there actually a tinker, as a tank, really worth it? Maybe I’m missing something here I’m not looking to play hardcore but I also don’t want to handicap myself per se.

[mellow quartz]

Probably brez and invis (if you wanna save the pot cd)

[latent sail]

Thanks

[short elk]

Is there any must have craft? Looking to use my second spark, don’t wanna waste it

[blazing condor]

shield/wep always good

[sweet summit]

lariat goated

[potent gulch]

So lariant bis?

[craggy pilot]

probably not rly

[craggy pilot]

there is no "BIS" embellishment

[craggy pilot]

this was before nerf

[sweet summit]

ok

it was barely a nerf

[craggy pilot]

dont even know what was the nerf

[jovial birch]

Got Decoration of Flame trinket last night in raid can confirm it’s badass. Putting a 60k shield up every use and popping a lot of damage in large pulls mythic +

[potent gulch]

Not edited!

[craggy pilot]

but even before nerf, it was like 0.1% better than other embellish

some people said it can proc Main stat, im not sure if it can, but if it can then its pretty goat

[sweet summit]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/271021613938376704/1052271092225540166/image.png

[craggy pilot]

ye so no main stat

M+ pushers seem to be crafting weapon first though

but do whatever you like, you can go Wep, Shield, Neck, Ring, Belt, Wrist, Boots

all viable options

[potent gulch]

Damn I want 405 craft asap! Need help :)))

[jovial birch]

Make sure to kill world boss and maybe get neck drop before crafting neck. I got 395 neck yesterday off world boss.

[tranquil pivot]

yea but that neck

for prot is so ass

i got it aswell, still concidering lariat

[jovial birch]

Yeah but at least it takes 3 sockets unlike the damn wrathion one.

[craggy pilot]

you can 3 socket the wrathion now i think

someone said its fixed

[tranquil pivot]

yea

[jovial birch]

Ooo they fixed it!?

[tranquil pivot]

they fixed it 1 hour after i used my matrix

😦

[jovial birch]

It was to spite you….

[sick sentinel]

should i go for the proc weapon in nokhud i believe it is once i start keys

or is its a - EV some how

[blazing idol]

Neck your choice of stats and a massive primary stat is omega bis

that’s per the lowest standards of common sense

[tender cove]

What consumbales are we using? Flask, food, rune, potion?
Is there any armorkits etc?

[jovial birch]

Strike twice proc was usually less then 2% of@my@damage. So probably not.

[craggy pilot]

massive primary stat? what are you talking about

[blazing idol]

Primary stat proc

??

[craggy pilot]

look here @blazing idol

it cant proc primary stat at all

only secondary

its less stats than the Vers wrist gives also

and since all Embellish are like 0.5% - 1%, theres rly no point in saying Lariat is "BIS"

you can craft whichever fits you

depending on your drops etc etc

[blazing idol]

Less proc stars?

Stats?

Lariat is definitely a clear winner over any other neck available

[craggy pilot]

this is not the point lol

you can say that about any Embellishment

but if you wanna be a pointless meta slave with no choice of your own, go ahead 😄

even after it was nerfed

[edgy grail]

Yea HUGE nerf to the neck 😂

[blazing idol]

Meta slave lmao

[edgy grail]

Just like prot is dead now after the nerf why are people even talking in here

[blazing idol]

Playing optimally shouldn’t be frowned upon

[obsidian path]

Dedspec

[craggy pilot]

brew is new meta tank, you didnt hear?

[edgy grail]

How dare you want to craft the best item

Shame on you

[craggy pilot]

"best" item

before nerf it was a difference of maybe 0.1% dps

[edgy grail]

Lol

You’re literally lost my guy

[obsidian path]

You know how things work, there is always only room for ONE information
One best spec
One best item
One best embelishment

[edgy grail]

Go home

[jovial birch]

So I can tell everyone that i found out on accident we can hold off a bit more on D stance first few bosses in raid we good without it 😏

[craggy pilot]

i never said you cant craft the neck tho lol

[craggy pilot]

craft the neck if you want, just saying there are OTHER options that are equally good, if not maybe better depending on ur playstyle and professions etc

if you have dedicated high lvl JC, then obviously Lariat is the play

[obsidian path]

Replace crit with lariat

[craggy pilot]

craft the neck if ur already buying Rank 3 Phials and Runes

even the top M+ people are not crafting Lariat tho 😄

everyone getting omegabaited

[upbeat salmon]

^

[obsidian path]

It's like the good ol' hunter question : "what is the best pet ?"

[upbeat salmon]

Dude timed an 18 with the raz codex from last season for crying out loud

[craggy pilot]

well thats BDK 😄

its quite value for them

[upbeat salmon]

I'm sure it is

But if it's still worth 80ilvl then blizz messed up lol

[craggy pilot]

😄

[strong forum]

Nah its not that good

It looks better than it is

[craggy pilot]

do you have it now Nome?

[strong forum]

Wdym now

[craggy pilot]

did you craft it?

[mystic radish]

opinions on shield over neck? 🙂 got a 395 Neck from the world boss 🙂

[craggy pilot]

then probably dont need to craft shield just yet

[mystic radish]

Neck*

[strong forum]

I didn't craft shit, but the talk was about codex

[craggy pilot]

oh you got 395 neck?

[strong forum]

Spark you can use on shield/weapon/embellishment of your choice

[craggy pilot]

ah thought u responded to Lariat

[strong forum]

It's up to you if you want the bis neck now, or rather get an ilvl upgrade on shield/weapon

[upbeat salmon]

I'd rather save on gold

[strong forum]

Next chance to craft neck is in 2 weeks

[craggy pilot]

do you know how big the nerf was? im guessing it was nerf to stats or procrate?

[upbeat salmon]

Doubt the Lariat will get me to time 20s week 1, so nbd

[strong forum]

Don't know how big, but pretty sure it is still bis

[uneven mason]

Got dragged off the game last night, but got a 380 weapon from daddy dragon

[craggy pilot]

would craft Fang Adornments weapon if i wasnt Shield Armorsmith 😦

[short elk]

Kk I have the wep from my first spark - prob go shield next I guess

[livid aurora]

Is there a trinket tier list by any chance?

[blazing condor]

you got trinkets in the guides

also bloodmallet has data for pwarr but idk how good they are to look at

[mellow quartz]

Pugging is so much fun with the change to the thundering visuals

Every time before a key starts I link a WA and ask people to import it and every time 1 or 2 people do and the rest don’t and we end up dying to thundering at some point.

The visuals are so dumb now without a WA.

The ones on beta were much better even if they covered up shit.

[potent gulch]

What's up with bleed at academy?

Got destroyed at 13th :)))

[topaz crescent]

Which WA are you using`? @mellow quartz

[tender cove]

WTB that worldboss ring with 700 haste 😮

[topaz crescent]

if you mean the bleed on the tree boss, you can cleanse it when the tree add dies

[grave crane]

theres a greeen circle you have to get into when the treant dies to cleanse yourself i think

[potent gulch]

No. The bleeds from illusionary weapons

Flying axes

Most of the time it gets parried. But if not. It hit like a truck

[untold trench]

any dates on when we can use creation catalyst ?

[mellow quartz]

https://wago.io/TAmsZl439

[sick sentinel]

January 23rd

[topaz crescent]

cheers mate

[deft hazel]

why does jade temple do so much dmg.. and not to me really, maybe certain packs but overall whole group just deadge

[sick sentinel]

it happened again when i ran nelth 0

all the slots i had blues in, they all dropped

traded to everyone else or ilvl upgrades lol

gettin duplicate shitty helms without leech or another shield i have mog of already .... erk...

[cinder storm]

First half has a lot of aoe and important kicks, second half is meh

[tropic sundial]

that's the DF meta, invicible tank, squishy party lol

[sick sentinel]

oh

the dragon on the ring in the life pools

[modern brook]

Tojs seems over tuned tbh

[sick sentinel]

DO NOT LET HIM POINT THAT SHIT AT THE GROUP

[cinder storm]

Better than the sl S1 kite meta

[modern brook]

Ans burial ground is horribly under tuned

[sick sentinel]

literal 1 shot my party all at once like, instantly minimum 2.5 ppl died, or probably closer to 3.5 ppl died

[modern brook]

And apparently no one remembers how court od stats is supposed to go

[sick sentinel]

like, it just fucking destroyed mywhole party

[cinder storm]

No, we should get a freehold every once in a while, leave that dungeon alone

[deft hazel]

i like this.. i didnt lkike sl tank in s1.. kite everywhere

[modern brook]

I mean I'll take the free io and gear

[deft hazel]

i wanna be a tank not a runaway

[modern brook]

But burial grounds is way undertuned

[sick sentinel]

so THAT guy, he really hurts, fuck him

[modern brook]

P sure you can do a 20 in 370

[cinder storm]

Yeah, it is, only danger are the spiders

[sick sentinel]

its a big firey elite dragon wierd name, he hurts i learned now

[cinder storm]

Jade last boss has too much hp

[sick sentinel]

if they didn't change anything, for phase 2 everyone stack on tank for p2 start

forces all shadow mobs to one location for cleave

[cinder storm]

That's still the same, I just find it boring right now

It takes a bit on fort, on tyrannical it will be a drag

[sick sentinel]

im still learning the zeros if you want me to be honest

[cinder storm]

wdym? didnt you play beta for 4 months and learned all the ins an outs before going on a 2? /s

[modern brook]

Watching pugs learn notgood is heartbreaking

[sick sentinel]

no, i just, go "oh i have to run a mythic zero to get better gear, lets pick azure spires that sounds fun, where is it again? oh, this is the boss with adds, i think right? and then we skip these fairies?

then typical misadventuring happens

[cinder storm]

that's why first week m+ is the most fun for me, everyone is learning

[sick sentinel]

is there a gross amount of arguing about YOU DIDNT INTERUPT THAT YOU FRIGGIN IDIOT, i don't need to take interrupt cuz i do double dps u do!!!

[cinder storm]

but it shows people are battle hardened by now, WAs work out of the bat, mdt is up and running, routes are pretty good to begin with

[sick sentinel]

im assuming this is gunna be a pug issue for a while

[cinder storm]

I gotta give it to blizz, these dungeons dont really need cloak or there are any packs that you'd be like, we really need to invis here

[edgy grail]

You don’t need any of that currently because no one knows wtf they are doing or how to go fast

There will certainly be packs you want to skip

When we start doing real content instead of +10-15

[cinder storm]

Maybe, but temple has exact count, burial is free and press W unless you want to skip a worm or something, CoS for sure you can play with the route

[edgy grail]

I see some dungeon tuning in the feature

The difficulty between dungeons seems pretty big

Some are free others are real dungeons

[cinder storm]

Yeah, I thought azure was going to be super hard

Turns out you just have to be on your toes

[ornate thunder]

What are we using sparks on?

[cinder storm]

But getting rooted + frontals

[sick sentinel]

i want to use my spark on a weapon 1h axe if the nokhud weapon isnt good and there is no other good weapons

[cinder storm]

Some are using it on shield if your shield is low, some on weapon if your weapon is low, many on elemental lariat, check the pins

[sick sentinel]

i have, or will have extremely soon, 2 sparks

and like, 110 chaoses

[ornate thunder]

lariat it is, thanks

[cinder storm]

if your neck needs an upgrade you get lariat I believe

I think its best to wait a week at least to see how things play out

[ornate thunder]

lariat crosses over for the other specs well

[craggy pilot]

spark weapon OP

[cinder storm]

yeah, most discords I've been they all recommend lariat

[craggy pilot]

all discords, all streamers been saying lariat

yet all M+ pushers on r.io are using Fang Adornment weapon 🤔

but maybe its only their first Spark on weapon

and 2nd going on Lariat, we'll see in a few days

[wise niche]

I mean 1h classes has no downside using 1 spark to craft one handed. Also lariat recipe is still mostly not there. ppl cant craft it

Also thos M pushers did renown 25 to get free infusion

[last mason]

what do the bears in halls of valor do

[cinder storm]

bleed

[last mason]

they feel like they fuck just as hard as the wolves

[craggy pilot]

and it just got nerfed

how much we still dont know

[plush tendon]

Dude, bears are crazy animals

IDK how my warrior can fight a flippin bear

[cinder storm]

go wolf last, kill boss, then kill bears/kite with speed buff

[wise niche]

pretty sure sims where not using bugged "version:". Hotfix aka nerf was implemented in simc a day ago

[craggy pilot]

it wasnt even simming at all 1 day ago bro

wdym?

[short vale]

Is it just me or the new pack at the end of temple of the jade serpent is blizz trolling?

[reef haven]

Any of you know if the community feast, great hunt, trials, dragonbane keep, aiding the accord, scale above raid ilvl?

Sorry for the non warrior question

[sharp bone]

man nokhud offensive second boss on a 15 is gnarly

[grave crane]

wind guy?

[edgy grail]

😂😂 i think +16 would be WF

If that telld you anything about the scaling

[elder oasis]

Hey guys, is fbv bugged?

[wise niche]

idk wdym, i have simc old build from last week which clearly shows elemental lariat procs in buffs section. Just craft w/e your heart desires

[elder oasis]

1m deep wounds and only 566k fbv

[mellow quartz]

make sure the healer gets a lot of the orbs and that he keeps refreshing them during storm

[jovial birch]

I saw a guildie get 402 chest from aiding the accord! I’m 382 ilvl and only got 382 piece.

[craggy pilot]

hmm didnt check procs, but my sim was showing no dmg from lariat

[wise niche]

The proc isnt doing dmg? It just stat proc with 2ppm proc

[dark warren]

guys, is there a haste brakepoint that i should be aware of or just stack it ad eternum?

[mellow quartz]

come back and ask when you get to 40% haste

[craggy pilot]

i know, but comparing to a similar neck with no proc, it did same dps increase

i did droptimizer, which doesnt show if items proc or not

[jovial birch]

Maybe procs aren’t simming correctly. Do you see them in the results?

[craggy pilot]

it doesnt show procs in Droptimizer

[solid granite]

Damn, keys hurt a lot

[craggy pilot]

lariat +0.6% dps, next to it is neck without equip, which also adds 0.6%

[solid granite]

did a burial 14 and even though it the easiest, that trash slaps

[safe granite]

Hey, do you guys play with Defensive or Battle stance in m+?

[torn ginkgo]

both

[solid granite]

i haven't left def stance since hitting 12-13 keys

[sleek current]

Battle Stance until you're getting slapped too hard.

[spring holly]

yeah I was about to ask, I haven't been able to do m+ yet, when do you guys feel you're leaving bstance?

[scenic plank]

Bosses I generally use battle stance, trash I'm using defensive, my aoe numbers are insane as it is, and it makes the healers life easier

[spring holly]

er what key level

[scenic plank]

Personally, 10, but wherever you feel like you may be taking more damage than necessary

[halcyon stream]

Hey all, I’ve always played fury warrior and recently dabbling in OS Prot for my guild. Outside of weapons should I be building a whole new gear set for Prot off spec? I imagine the answer is yes but haste seems pretty important for both so didn’t know if you could get away running same armor for both.

[sleek current]

Vers and Crit are more important than mastery. If I remember correctly Fury builds Haste Mast

So you'll want two different sets to be optimal but, typically... I do fine in my Prot gear for Fury.

[solid granite]

right now, it makes no difference what scnd you have - go for ilvl and you're golden

[sick sentinel]

\

[sleek current]

iLvl first. Always

[halcyon stream]

Ok. I did a 2 key (normally not difficult but screw jade serpent) last night and kind of just thrown in there and it seemed to go pretty well with the gear I had just figured I’d ask to try to be more optimal when I play. Thank you

[sleek current]

Yeah, all good mate.

[weary lodge]

even all through SL secondaries for fury vs prot vs arms only really was something i could be picky about in the last couple months of the season.

[small coral]

i was getting slammed on my prot warrior ina 10, but im 370 so maybe thats why.

[weary lodge]

my 8 last night went ok, our 10 Court of Stars sucked... It was right around that level that I needed to start using ignore pain rage dumps far more than revenge for rage dumping

[small coral]

yeah, i did a 9 Serpant then a 10 offensive

was ok, but definitely felt having to rage dump IP

[tender quartz]

Ruby 12 is pure.... hell

Hot Hell.

Well not for us but our groups 😢

[median tulip]

Just did a HoV; the wolves between 1st and 2nd parts of Fenrir hurt

[viscid furnace]

Hey all. Just started tanking in dragonflight for the very first time in wow. Managed to do all heroics and get myself a full set of 359 gear.

My question is this. How do you all deal with casters?

I understand you pull melee onto them or break line of sight. But sometimes it feels like they swap aggro before I even start grouping everything up.

Also is there a way to bring casters to me so I'm not constantly moving the group.

[indigo wharf]

6 hov 5 wolves oneshoot me 🐿️

[tender quartz]

To go for Lariat or not to go for Lariat...

[sleek current]

You can talent into disrupting shout if you're having a really hard time. Otherwise encouraging the DPS to interrupt as well as you interrupting, they're typically silenced after an interrupt giving you about 4 seconds of mobility with them.

[uneven mason]

TFW You finish your first M+ of the season 30 seconds before server shutdown, feelsgood

[edgy grail]

Yep kicks are usually best you can also go and los or some classes have knockbacks as well

[fallen gazelle]

play exclusively with 3 DKs and have them grip everything ever

[viscid furnace]

Not sure why I didn't think about interrupting to move them. I'll have a look at that talent as well. I'm not struggling with them per se. It's just frustrating when there's a few stragglers that need to be mopped up before we move on. Appreciate the feedback

[tropic sundial]

ngl, i'd like to have seen the thing war had in beta at some point, aoe grip on leap or something lol

[uneven mason]

Heroic throw is a lot of threat btw

You can literally hold aggro on something with just heroic throw

[sleek current]

Heroic Throw is indeed... Heroic. 😁

[uneven mason]

But yeah, it's a "fly by feel" thing,

[viscid furnace]

I'll be using that more often then

[uneven mason]

You'll learn how to charge over to a mob, interrupt its cast, leap back to your pack

[sleek current]

We achieved godhood for but a moment.

[edgy grail]

This is the way

[viscid furnace]

What about streamers, any worth watching to get better?

[uneven mason]

The version that didn't get put in was good, 15 yard range, 5 target limit

[edgy grail]

Learn early that your team will never help 😂

[sleek current]

I've taken to shield charge, charge over charge heroic leap these days.

[uneven mason]

what they put in was garbage, melee range, 4 target limit, was literally useless, if you were close enough to get an effect on it, you were already close enough to interrupt

yeah PUGs hardly ever interrupt

I did one as arms

[sleek current]

30 interrupts by me in Azure Vault earlier. Nearest to me was 7. 😂

[hexed obsidian]

whats the second crafted item we should get?

[uneven mason]

and they were like "OMG a DPS that interrupts" and I had to just say nope, I'm a tank but slumming

[fading tide]

Just tanked my first plus 8 b4 reset. This tanking thing is getting fun

[uneven mason]

I had 23, the tank had 34 (because in melee faster) everyone else was like...1

[uneven mason]

Don't say that too loud

whenever tanking gets fun they nerf it

[vernal vale]

Pika

[uneven mason]

Case in point - Warriors have been pp slapped twice already

[uneven mason]

Nomeratur or Plka

Although

Nom has some bad habits because he's a pumper

[vernal vale]

Nom does 5 tank keys too

[uneven mason]

Not ALWAYS

haha

[vernal vale]

Less about good learning and just fun to watch

[uneven mason]

God, I feel bad because I'm the one that started meme harping on that

[fading tide]

Wow the blazebinder trinket is BIS? Just got it

[sleek current]

Lucky git.

[viscid furnace]

Cheers for all your feedback, ill run some more dungeons then Try my first mythic 😭

[sleek current]

I'm pretty sure I'm going to do Ruby Life Pools 70 times before my friend runs brew loot spec and gets it first time and gives it me.

[fading tide]

I thought it was bad cause it has no strength

[vernal vale]

Nah, Nom is proud of his 5 tank keys.

[sleek current]

But... Haste is power.

[uneven mason]

But he does actual keys, and is R E A L L Y good at warrior

[craggy pilot]

damn the Ritual Bones in Shadowmoon Burial Grounds HURT

that Void Slash

[uneven mason]

Dive in, just grab a +2 and start cranking

[fallen pulsar]

First time tanking in a raid and it went well 🙂 managed to get some nice parses on the 3 bosses we downed too

[viscid furnace]

Don't want to be upsetting the locals!

[uneven mason]

Nah, get in now while everyone is in newb mode

before people get MDT brain

[weary lodge]

exactly. Now is the time to get into it.

[viscid furnace]

Whats the deal with hitting a certain amount of trash? Is it a % or something?

[uneven mason]

Yeah, each mob has a % value

[viscid furnace]

And you need 100 to finish the run?

[uneven mason]

So far the routs and layouts seem pretty straightforward without a ton of skipping

Yes

[loud patrol]

gotta love ruby forces ;_;

[uneven mason]

😄

[weary lodge]

The routes this season are very straight forward. Almost all of them are intuitive and % naturally comes through killing mobs on the normal route. I don't see any crazy routing yet, even in totally open areas like Nokhud offensive.

[loud patrol]

i didnt time a vault yesterday cuz 5%

[uneven mason]

Dont skip the frogs

[craggy pilot]

anyone have a good route for Burial grounds that doesnt swim at 3rd boss?

[uneven mason]

Those are so fun

[loud patrol]

actually it was a tree this time

[uneven mason]

Oh

hahah

2nd tree pack in the first hall?

[loud patrol]

yeah

[uneven mason]

annoying with the drakes

whelps~

you either lose 20s dodging the alarms or you have DK

and they get them

[loud patrol]

but nothing is worse than the total of 3 mins lost in cos rp

[uneven mason]

They've really got the trash mechanics to keep people from doing big pulls too in vault

like, F**K doing more than 1 pack on the teleport platforms

[fallen pulsar]

I imagine at a certain point keywise the whelps have so much hp that chain stunning them wont stop them

[uneven mason]

We avoid em all

[fallen pulsar]

But for now I triple stun some

[loud patrol]

i tried to pull the 1st whelp in the dungeon for that 5%

raging made sure for those mobs to murder me

[weary lodge]

it's likely going to be a pack that I encourage skipping 100% of the time when I'm tanking

My friend group just flat out didn't have the DPS to handle the welp well on a decently sized key

[loud patrol]

nah all the whelps are getting skipped

[weary lodge]

I wish we could do that with all the sentrys in COS

[loud patrol]

same

but gotta say the best part of my runs yesterday was in a 8 academy and we almost wiped on echo cuz the boss pulled all of us in at the same time quaking was active, my healer and a dps died

[weary lodge]

LOL there were moments in a COS 10 last night where we were LOSing a raging mob with an AOE, we're all stacked, the new seasonal affix was rolling and we had to all cleanse each other as quaking was about to hit. It was all overlapped for about 1 second. 3 deaths... still killed the mob, but it was brutal

[loud patrol]

the enforcer?

[weary lodge]

The mobs you have to kill to get the individual bosses of to come down one at a time on that second boss... I forget the name

[loud patrol]

yeah the fel enforcers

[willow valley]

just swapping to prot for m+, do we run dps or tank trinkets? (or does it depend)

[lime rivet]

lol my friend and I were making fun of Echo because she actually pulled us in for Thundering, so she basically did the mechanic for us. Later on we almost got murdered by quaking too

[merry umbra]

all-totem from raid and a dps one

grieftorch/boon will be my go to

[loud patrol]

i hope i get all totem

[uneven mason]

dps

[loud patrol]

also anyone using mythic dungeon tools know how to take a singular mob out of the pull?

[willow valley]

ok cool just wondering if I was trolling running double dps for now

[craggy pilot]

is MDT % wrong in temple? 🤔 every route i import is at like 75%

[deft hazel]

i just did the dungeon normally like i would in the leveling version and got full % by end

[gritty swallow]

You pull everything

[deft hazel]

not much you can skip tho

[gritty swallow]

MDT doesn’t have the mobs leading up to the second boss available to select that’s your missing % for routes

[craggy pilot]

you can skip these 3 tho

[craggy pilot]

ah ok, thx

[gritty swallow]

But I don’t think you can skip any mobs at all

Other than those 3 after first boss

[deft hazel]

just saying if you run through it like you normally would without skipping anything in your path you will get 100%

[fast knot]

There is like forty mobs in the final boss room

Btw

[craggy pilot]

i get that, but did you get 100% on the last mob you killed?

[fast knot]

So you'll look short after third boss but you should be covered

[craggy pilot]

guess ill try to skip the #10 pat, and see if that is enough count

[deft hazel]

☝️

[craggy pilot]

it should be according to Quazii 🙂

[potent gulch]

guys what stats we want on crafted sword?

crit haste or haste vers?

[craggy pilot]

yes

but probably haste/vers

[strong forum]

Haste + X

[fast knot]

I don't want to do another temple facetanking multiple Raging shadow slashes hurt my fragile ego

[potent gulch]

i know haste ,but haste + what? 😄

[fast knot]

Druid was too busy trying to heal nerds because kicking mistweaver is hard

[craggy pilot]

your choice rly, but versa will probably be the general pick

im personally going haste/crit, or something like that

[scenic plank]

I feel like every mythic I’ve done so far, MDT said I had 105% and I ended up with like 95%. I just pull everything now

I just wait to get screamed at for being stupid “YOU CAN SKIP THIS DUMBASS” to learn what to skip now

[marble cipher]

first few weeks, just hold W

at least, that's what I'm doing

[craggy pilot]

had a bunch of buttpulls today tho 😄

so idk

[marble cipher]

(only Nokhud I skip last bit in the camp)

[jagged pier]

u need to pull everything in te dungeon execpt the 3 behind the boss u did first

u literally cant skip anything in temple

[deft hazel]

i will follow this rule

[scenic plank]

Yeah, Nokhud you can skip a lot, thank god

[deft hazel]

only one dungeon i had perfect % pull on and that was the academy one

[scenic plank]

Same. The route you’re forced to take gives you a perfect%. I think they did a good job with the DF dungeons and percentages

[loud patrol]

they truly did

[deft hazel]

but dps are monkey and dont let me pull big and start dpsing before i even tag next pack

[edgy grail]

But then they complain when they forced you to do a 3 pack alone bc you cant get to the next pack before they kill themselves

[fast knot]

With the unfamiliarity of pack mechanics and what actually is going to slap you I'm spooked to actually chain rn

[edgy grail]

Classic pug experience

[scenic plank]

On fortified I try not to pull more than 3-4 anyways. I can survive easily, but I find dps and heals are struggling right now

[steep sparrow]

Nokhud seems a bit off tho, or I Fd up pulls

[edgy grail]

Nokhud

Is overtuned

[marble cipher]

clear more mobs in Nokhud "spirit" area

that lets you skip last camp area

[loud patrol]

i had more than enough at the camp

literally had to clear 1 pack

[steep sparrow]

iirc last gauntlet gave like 16ish%

[scenic plank]

Pull the ballista mobs on first boss plus the furthest back pat group, on second boss clear all the pats, the totems, and then the two on the ramp down to boss, clear just the mounds on third boss, and go straight down the path to the final boss. Ez 100%

[blazing idol]

Very simple

[scenic plank]

Ballistas gotta be careful on how you pull boss tho, if you don’t clear the extra pats

[loud patrol]

i clear the whole area just in case

[mellow quartz]

clear as much as you can in the first area

by far the easiest trash in the whole dungeon

also use heroic leap right in the center of those packs and you get the archers on either side to run in a bit before they start to shoot

will make the groups more stacked instead of spread out

[icy shale]

is i t

lariat

bis for prot ?

[steep sparrow]

Yeah thats amazing! Did a 10 without knowing what to pull or not ended up at like 90% iirc after the last boss.. 2 big defenders gave 1.5% each

[icy shale]

I have 392 shield of hearth, now I have a chance to craft 405 lariat

shall I go for it ?

[slim dove]

405 wep is imo

assuming you at best have like a 382-386 wep

[craggy pilot]

405 is op

[slim dove]

20 ilvls on wep is big

[craggy pilot]

wep

[proud dock]

can someone who is not in your guild craft weapons for you? how do u get a rando with good crafting to boost your crafted items?

[chrome falcon]

make a friend

ask in trade

[pastel wind]

u cant, u need to do it with a personal crafting order rather than public one

[proud dock]

but wherer do you put in the order? public or guild?

[chrome falcon]

personal

[proud dock]

ooo ok

[craggy pilot]

you can personal craft order to anyone

[chrome falcon]

public orders have no minimum quality

[craggy pilot]

just need to find out their name

[proud dock]

guess i missed that option

[chrome falcon]

so you'll just get a shitter do it

so you need a guildie or you need to ask someone specifically

[torn jay]

QQ about the 382-392 quality (i.e. the shield) crafts - how big is the difference in 3* alloy mats vs 2* alloy mats? the mat price difference is pretty stupid right now

[weary lodge]

truth... group-wide damage becomes a problem well before tank-specific damage becomes a problem in almost all dungeons so far

[weary lodge]

Super bummed out that's still a method of doing business in this game... the work order system COULD have totally cut out that need to spam trade chat

[uneven mason]

DPS legit get 1 shot by a single mechanic starting around +7

[scenic plank]

I just assume after the holidays, once all the world firsts are done, things will get tuned down for the rest of us plebs

[weary lodge]

nah, i'm fine with it, they should leave it. I miss the days where 10 felt like an accomplishment and 15 was a high water mark. 15s were the new 10s by S2 of SL and 20s were the new 15s

[placid vale]

Guys, how is this for us? https://www.wowhead.com/item=190522/infurious-helm-of-vengeance

[scenic plank]

Unpopular opinion, but you and I are definitely in the minority on that one. The majority of the player base wants to be able to get KSM and KSH by the end of season

[weary lodge]

Here's the thing... KSM in S1 of SL was about as difficult as AOTC, right?

i swear by S4 it was so easy that normal jailer was harder

[scenic plank]

But most people can’t do it without a nerf is my point

Gotta remember, most people have barely done m0s by this point, world tours at least.

[weary lodge]

Yeah I agree. I just think if gladiators get their own mount and it's like the top .5% of players and it's exclusive then the pve achievements should also be equally difficult and rewarding

[scenic plank]

Yeah, would be interesting to see a mount for getting KSH before like week 3 or something

[lyric geode]

we did a 10s with 370 ilvl team and it feels quite doable.

[weary lodge]

or move the mount to KSH level

[blazing condor]

that wasn't were we were nvm

[scenic plank]

Oh it is. I’m tanking +8 at like 376 ilvl with no issues. My biggest issue is when I don’t know the mechanic, not the actual mechanics or damage themselves

[lyric geode]

Imagine with 420 ilvl. I could do 25 and up

[lusty tiger]

What have I done
I’m joining a casual guild as fury

[uneven mason]

wat

[lusty tiger]

My lust for the tier has brought me too far

Idk my m+ dd(warlock) is doing it

I kinda wanted to come

[potent fulcrum]

what are you guys crafting after the lariat? i still have one spark

[long swan]

I made primal molten with armor spikes

Seems to be 1.5% ish of damage every dungeon

In 10-11 keys

[tawny herald]

Have any of you experienced to not get an m+ key after doing m+? i've done a +2 and +6 without getting my own key. :(

[long swan]

There is a current bug where if youre not doing a dragon flight dungeon you will not got a key/ the appropriate level

[tawny herald]

I did a Ruby +2 at first

then +6 halls

[long swan]

Weird

[tawny herald]

None key

[long swan]

Ticketnit

[proud dock]

welp apparently theres a bug where crafters cant seem to recraft/upgrade if an embellishment is already attached. big sadge

[chrome falcon]

Nah this system is better imo

You have to find a person and add them to friends

Get repeat customers

Be competitive with your tipping

It feels much more like an MMO

[dusky canopy]

totally agree

[raven fjord]

Guys, Gral's Discarded tooth Ilvl 372 vs Battle scarred scale ilvl 379? Do i go for ilvl here or ?

[slim dove]

grals

scale is shit

[chrome falcon]

grals stonks

[raven fjord]

thougt so lol

[wary heath]

Wrong

[loud patrol]

scale is so bad i wouldnt take a 450 ilvl one

[raven fjord]

Petrified fungal spores 385 or obsidian collar 389?

stats vise, the fungal spores is way better right?

[scenic plank]

?

[wary heath]

You said the majority of players want KSM

[minor helm]

Majority of players don’t even step into m+ keys

[chrome falcon]

^

[scenic plank]

Oh Jesus. We’re getting into semantics now.

[wary heath]

KSM is a small subset of people who even do m+

[chrome falcon]

?

Absolutely not semantics

[loud patrol]

majority of players doesnt know they have an interrupt button

[wary heath]

No this is a huge thing

[scenic plank]

I wasn’t being literal.

[chrome falcon]

The vast majority of players will never step into an m+

[scenic plank]

Calm down

[minor helm]

And even the disparity of players who do keys and the amount that get ksm is substantially lower

[chrome falcon]

And of the players who do, a considerable amount do not care about getting KSM if it's not extremely easy

[blazing condor]

its weird how some people can just farm rep and do dailies and be happy with that

hats off to them

[wary heath]

I'm just saying. It's important to know that over 50% of players will never step foot in m+

[scenic plank]

Okay dude

[chrome falcon]

Idk how you play either BFA or SL as a casual player that's insane to me

I could see playing this expansion as a casual tho

[loud patrol]

i wish i was a casual

[minor helm]

Yeah what could you do in slands?

[potent fulcrum]

can you armor spikes a wep?

[minor helm]

2 years of herbalism?

[slim dove]

we doin Frosted armor kit right?

[long swan]

I dont believe you can

[vernal vale]

Did you become a casual? Did I miss something

[chrome falcon]

Oh nah

[minor helm]

He means in terms of having stuff to do

[chrome falcon]

Not at all

[edgy bone]

Why is this so good for prot?

[vernal vale]

Oh, okay. I was like RIP sad day.

[loud patrol]

i have a friend that just did transmog raids in sl

[lone eagle]

Zandalari Kimbul bleed

does it work with the Thunderous Roar 15% amp?

and Bloodsurge?

[vernal vale]

@chrome falcon based on run last night I actually like this raid.

[kindred quail]

hey boys what are the bis crafted gear?

[loud patrol]

cant wait for my raid today

[slim dove]

yeah i cant wait to lose totem trinket to my offtank

[loud patrol]

true lmao

[wary heath]

Any high lvl item In a slot you need,with proper stats and a good embellish

Ihas

Thats not a tier slot

[past lark]

So last night i soloed Sennarth for 10 minutes

[craggy pilot]

wowhead listing Decoration of Flame and Incarnate Icon as BIS trinkets from the raid 🤔 did All-Totem drop down?

[past lark]

Turns out you can endlessly Impending Victory because of the spiderlings lmao

So much for “we don’t want tanks to be able to solo content way after everyone else has died”

[urban portal]

because it does flat damage

flat damage trinkets are very good on tanks in st

[craggy pilot]

is Strike Twice better than Fang Adornments weapon? 🤔

[steady steppe]

anyone have a link to a spell reflect WA?

[solar crown]

What key level do you guys need to start using defstance?

[jovial birch]

I doubt it. I had the M0 version for a while and it proc was usually less then 2% of my damage sometimes below 1%

[craggy pilot]

Hm ok thx

[wary heath]

I've been using dstance in 10s until I figure out things

[sudden pilot]

quick question. assuming both can be max quality crafts. is shield of the hearth better or worse than a haste vers primal molten defender with armor spikes?

[tired pivot]

worse for tankiness

[loud hull]

what is ur overall dmg as tank?

[slim dove]

hearth is not the move.

[open gazelle]

So with the thundering affix, who do you want the odd man out to be that doesn’t clear their debuff?

[wary heath]

35k to 40k overall dps

[loud hull]

35-40 ?

on what key levels

[wary heath]

10

[lusty tiger]

I’m still sub 370, I was running IO and semi camping Dstance for some dungeons

[sudden pilot]

ty

[slim dove]

383, haven't touched Dstance once up to 15s now

party dies before i am remotely scared

[wary heath]

There is no discernable difference in my opinion from sitting in distance. But

Dps are taking so much damage

That anything to help healer is fine

[lusty tiger]

Exactly my thought

[slim dove]

what helps them more

is killing stuff faster

[lusty tiger]

Tru

[slim dove]

doing 45k dps instead of 40k

[lusty tiger]

Fk our healers

And their 40ilvl under gear

[wary heath]

Like I'll pull a group and all the dps hp bars just plummet. I'm like genuinely wondering what they are getting hit by most of the time

[lusty tiger]

I think it’s really dungeon dependent

[slim dove]

standing in stuff, not kicking

[lusty tiger]

And I also think some dungeons are gonna get nerfed

[slim dove]

nah most are fine

[tender cove]

fun quake...

[slim dove]

the power spike in the next few weeks will be insane

[fading tide]

Would ruby pools be consider hard or easy?

[slim dove]

everyone will go from 370ish to 400

[wary heath]

A few things I noticed are...in my HoV runs, those worgs at the 3rd boss hit unreasonably hard , even through shield block

[slim dove]

hell my DH in my m+ group just got his 405 wep, upgraded from 385, and his damage skyrocketed

[lusty tiger]

Gz

[slim dove]

they buff eachother

[lusty tiger]

Is it invisible?

[slim dove]

pull a bunch, blow defensives, kite when wall runs out

[wary heath]

I pulled 5 and had to go full dratnos to kite them

[slim dove]

nope, called Strength of the Pack or something

[fading tide]

The last big pack b4 the last boss in nook nook offensive was insanely hard

[slim dove]

pull the room, blow every CD you have, run the second wall ends

[wary heath]

Another thing...the trash In jade is super deadly, everything hits hard and for aoe . The two packs before the 2nd boss...and the last pack before final boss. Are insane

[slim dove]

assign kicks, stuns, and kill target

dont mindlessly cleave.

[fading tide]

The water guy or the cauldron guy?

[odd tree]

Had a dh body pull a 2nd pack there, wasn't fun.

[wary heath]

I'm a pugger

[slim dove]

stop pugging

[patent hull]

So if I want to prioritize tanking M+ but also want to raid as Fury there's pretty much no option but to maintain two completely different sets of gear it seems.

[lusty tiger]

I’m gonna say fuck it and just play fury haste>crit

[quaint inlet]

Should I go Elemental Lariat?

[patent hull]

Yeah I wish mastery was valued lower.

[lusty tiger]

Fury pins says haste>mast>crit

[odd tree]

Not completely different, just keep some mastery rings/neck around

[slim dove]

(imo) you should go 405 wep.

[lone eagle]

day 200 of is BV fixed?

Brutal Vitality that is

[tiny bramble]

Hi, anyone knows how to make an ignore pain weakaura that play a sound when enemies broke your ignorepain amount?

[wooden hull]

does anyone know the difference in value from r1 to r3 of armor spikes, is it just crafting skill or does it increase dmg at all?

[strong forum]

BV still doesnt work

[strong forum]

only the difficulty

[lost fern]

is there a macro for charge + S charge? so i can pop both on pull quicker

[wooden hull]

awesome ty

[severe steeple]

need to vent move on
pala that insta bursts mobs before i get into position with 5 interupts whole jade serpent called me dogshit
vent over

[open gazelle]

I’m assuming we want healers to keep the thundering buff for the full duration while everyone else clears it? Dps take so much stupid damage in these higher keys

[wooden hull]

why would you clear on dps quickly? it is a 30% dmg buff as well

[stray vapor]

why is Protection Solo Queue 17min ?

[fading tide]

Cause solo Q should be dps only

[stray vapor]

well my protection paladin friend gets insta queue

[undone verge]

Probably not cause aren’t both on the gcd?

[fading tide]

That’s cause he is super cute

[errant oriole]

is elemental lariat really our best neck for season 1?

[dense lance]

whats a good choice for second spark?

[fading tide]

I’m built shield first going chest second hope it works out

But I think that neckless is number 1

[slim dove]

405 wep is my second.

figure a 20ilvl bump on wep is better than lariat by a decent margin.

[sick sentinel]

because prot pala gets thrown in with healers

as*

[fading tide]

Is there a guide in how to go from crafting a 382 to 405? Cause the shield I made it 382

[open gazelle]

Never said dps have to clear it quickly

Just before the time limit runs out

[long stone]

@strong forum youre still running youre pinned builds?

[strong forum]

pmuch

[slim dove]

primal infusion

reagent

[fading tide]

That’s from mythic plus 10 and up?

[slim dove]

11-16 is primal infusion

[calm sapphire]

And from the Raid quest, right?

[slim dove]

yup

also maxing a rep

[bleak spade]

how much uptime on ignore pain should i have in dungeon overall?

[vital sinew]

If IP is down, you're losing out on massive sustain from BV

[bleak spade]

BV stands for?

[upbeat pine]

Do you think this Elemental Lariat is worth to craft on high quality only? Is it possible to recraft and update it later?

[vernal vale]

BV still bugged

[vernal vale]

Brutal Vitality

[vital sinew]

Havent grinded out much ProtW yet. Whats the bug?

Didnt see anything in pins

[vital radish]

Here

[jovial birch]

In my understanding everything is recraft able

[vital sinew]

Ah oops. Words. Ty

[vital radish]

❤️

[slim dove]

@strong forum 405 wep or lariat this week? id be going from a 382 wep

[strong forum]

up to you

if you want ilvl or bis neck

[opaque hull]

Hi all, sorry if this question has an obvious answer - I am new to warrior, just picked it up this expansion. I will be playing M+ mostly as prot currently getting as much haste/vers gear I can get. Is there a haste cap or should I am for as much as haste vers on my gear?

[slim dove]

i figure the 23 ilvls on wep will help alot more for pushing keys though?

[opaque hull]

Can't seem to find any answers in the guides on icyveins and wowhead.

[jovial birch]

It appears alot of top M+ players are crafting weapon.

[slim dove]

I noticed that.

[jagged pier]

no haste cap

u want as much haste gear without dropping strength

we dont care about the other stat

that much

[jovial birch]

Are you guys gemming haste vers or just straight haste?

[jagged pier]

haste crit

[jovial birch]

On the topic of haste and all.

[jade panther]

guys, i'm struggling to tank last boss of azure vault in +12. At some point i'm just outta of mobility and stacked up no pillar to charge to and 3 arcane balls rushing at me (used avatar on last pillar phase to help dps them). Should i litterally just focus on my survivability or is it smtg else i'm missing ?

[jovial birch]

Use leap as much as possible I don’t think that counts towards movement debuff.

[sweet summit]

just don't move if you don't have to

charge to the pillars

[opaque hull]

Thanks!

[fast knot]

Any movement gives stacks but with hotfix boss should be much more forgiving

[remote trail]

Hello guys
I have a question, im getting a bug I think, my revenge is supposed to do 5741, but when I press it in combat i goes down under 2000

[fast knot]

4s instead of 10s on stacks is a lifesaver

[rancid ember]

massive

[jade panther]

4 sec ?!

[jovial birch]

Push it harder.

[sweet summit]

don't think that hotfix is live?

[loud patrol]

save avatar for the slow

[rancid ember]

Pretty sure it was live last night tbh

[remote trail]

Well i don't think that's that ^^

Got screenshots if you want to see

[sweet summit]

this one is not live (healer got hit not me trust me guys)

so idk if the rest are live either

didn't really pay attention

[jagged pier]

dont move until u have to

[jade panther]

okay so helping on pillars is a mistake atm ?

[rancid ember]

no def help

charge to it hit it

[jagged pier]

my point is

[rancid ember]

dont move at all otherwise then intervene / charge to another or to make space

[plush tendon]

I thought you just bring him to a corner wall and stand still

[jagged pier]

when uve got to your destination

dont strafe

dont jump

stand still

do nothing

[jade panther]

y but after moving he tends to bump me which reaplies the stacks

and if balls of death come now and no movements feels bad

[rancid ember]

intervene

jump

u have options

[jagged pier]

i really feel like your moving to much and your not noticing

[plush tendon]

^

[jade panther]

yeah didn't tech intervene

[rancid ember]

^

[jade panther]

mb

[jagged pier]

its really not hard to drop the stacks

[jade panther]

it feels really good until the 40/30 last % where i tend to get submerged, prolly gotta rewatch my fight and optimize

[vital sinew]

Went from 10s duration to 4s in last hour nerf

[heady gyro]

did you guys build your neck yet or waiting for commission to go down?

[vital sinew]

So should be extra easy now

[plush tendon]

im just waiting for someone in my guild to get the recipe

so 0 commission

[jade panther]

are you serious, last hour ? my key was like an hour ago xd

[jagged pier]

im waiting for someone who can t5 it

[vital sinew]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/mythic-dungeon-tuning-hotfixes-12-13-azure-vaults-nerfs-330508

[plush tendon]

I aint paying for crafted gar

[loud patrol]

man im gonna end up just crafting the helm and leave the lariat for next week

[heady gyro]

I think you can craft both if wanted too right?

[loud patrol]

crafters or want 50k or theres none

[heady gyro]

right now since we have two sparks

[jagged pier]

most ppl have 1

[calm sapphire]

Most should have 2

The issue is the primal chaos

[digital frigate]

Fornicating with a cactus rectally is more pleasurable than pushing Jade past 9

[inland mesa]

I'm debating on lariat and helm, but wanted to see helm on live. I still have 2 as I lucked out with heroic eranog shield

[vital sinew]

hope you like heroic call to arms

[hushed crag]

did they break the world marker macro somehow

it worked yesterday but now it doesn't

[plush tendon]

we got 4 heroic shields to drop

XD

[digital frigate]

That bug still around

it sucks

[plush tendon]

but now I have 4 shields

[digital frigate]

4 shields to protect yourself with

[wary heath]

The mastery shield ?

[calm sapphire]

I had to solo last 5% on last boss of jade

[wary heath]

[remote trail]

Okay im back can someone tells me what he thinks of this?

[digital frigate]

Have you gotten it past 9?

[calm sapphire]

god no

[digital frigate]

I failed an 11 and a 10.

[remote trail]

the tooltip of Revenge shoes about 5k damage but when I press it it does sub 2k and the mob gets hit by sub 2k damage

[digital frigate]

It's the only thing I can't time. x_x;

Probably will change next week

But Jesus Christ what a pain.

[calm sapphire]

Also, the routing of nokhud is annoying

[loud patrol]

what routing .-.

[solar blade]

have you made sure you are assistant or leader of the group?

[loud patrol]

nokhud is 100% not even trying

[hushed crag]

i am the leader

[jagged pier]

u should spec out of barbaric

[solar blade]

no barbaric training true, can go seimsic reverb tho

[jagged pier]

u should be that by default for keys

[solar blade]

y

[remote trail]

Hello, do you think it's a talent that cause the issue?

[jagged pier]

i dont know but the talent is bad

[remote trail]

well not the point of my question ^^

[jagged pier]

well u said what do u think about this

thats what i thought

[remote trail]

So no one is getting that kind of funky stuff with revenge damage?

[calm sapphire]

So, my tooltip is 5.9k

on a dummy, I get 4.2k

[lone eagle]

Mobs and dummies have armor

[calm sapphire]

Which is normal

But getting below half?

[lone eagle]

phys damage will do less than the tooltip

[remote trail]

but my tooltips changes when i press it

look

[calm sapphire]

huh

Okay, yeah, when it's on CD the tooltip has heavily reduced damage

[remote trail]

look the damage the elemental took :p

I know armor exist but that amount of reduction

[calm sapphire]

The 4.1k is the revenge damage

1.3k is your auto

[hushed crag]

Does it work for you then?

[tender cove]

rough rough day wow. Stuff really slaps even in 8s and 9s xD

My healer was like "maybe its time for you to use defensive stance"...
WELL maybe its time for YOU to heal more xD

[fierce field]

It might be a mix of battle/defensive as you gear up and hit different caps.

[patent hull]

Yeah after +9 I just stay in def stance

[fierce field]

Get slapped in 9s, switch to def, get 10 more ilvls, switch back to battle

[patent hull]

That's at 380 ilvl

[tender cove]

Its more the fact that we're trying to brute force it and one of the dps were 345, getting that "quick" gearing xD

[calm sapphire]

...345

[fierce field]

there is that too... honestly, getting an M0 world tour is much quicker than trying to do it via keys

[tender cove]

I had highest ilvl in the group with 377 😄

[calm sapphire]

Yeah, it's super easy to gear up quick

I managed 371 before reset

[fierce field]

or crafting, get those crap greens out of your slots son.

[calm sapphire]

Now, do I do higher M+ for the chance for the item crafting upgrade, or just get the base necklace done now and get it recrafted later

[long stone]

farm hunts -> get infusion atr 25 -> fun with necklace

[polar raptor]

I didn't have as much luck during my M0 world tours, got lots of duplicate slot drops, supplemented the rest with PVP gear, have like four 372 chests in my bag.

[calm sapphire]

I got a 379 trinket from one of the Sabellian quests

Which surprised me

[placid stratus]

so did most of y'all just make a necklace?

[jagged pier]

its all relative raging fort sucks for week one, but i was still in b stance at 10-12 range

but its all relative to your comfort

so if u need d stance

u be in d stance

[heavy temple]

I swapped in in like 11s to dstance, just felt more comfortable

and holy fuck, what is RLP, the poor healers

[jagged pier]

raging

fort

[heavy temple]

yeah

[jagged pier]

thats what it is

[heavy temple]

its aids

and after that you do smbg

and fucking afk

except for 1 pack

[loud patrol]

tbh without raging i would be doing 13+

[heavy temple]

yeah you, but would the healer do 13s with grevious bursting?

[tender cove]

I'm comfortable with dipping in and out and also adapting to the group. All in all, it was pretty good day but I seem to go from taking zero damage to "ohh shit ohh shit heartattack deluxe" and there's no inbetween haha.

with that said, its my first time doing the dungeons, i'm freezing up a lot and just messing up, its first day. I guess that is to be expected 😄

[fading tide]

Someone in this discord recommended using D stance as a CD. So when shit gets crazy you switch to it. That’s what I’ve be doing helped me out with both staying alive and doing decent tank dps

[jagged pier]

u can

[heavy temple]

but it is funny, how you can solo bosses from like 40%

[jagged pier]

but

[tender cove]

But if you or anyone else could give me some gentle critique and help without making me cry, that would be awesome, thanks 😄
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KcazkvpDWbg8VwY6/

[compact jackal]

Here's how to think of it

[toxic prairie]

Only did some 5 s and 6 s before raid, but aside from shit dps everything went well

[compact jackal]

d stance is called baby stance. Are you a big manly man or a baby?

[heavy temple]

it was legit easier soloing the last 30% of rlp endboss than doing it with the grp

[jagged pier]

bliz have made it apprent that they are balancing at least our damage intake around being in dstance the whole time

[placid stratus]

whats the best embelleishment to put on your crafted weapon?

[heavy temple]

Thats reasonable. People can pick dstance, and if you want to play optimally you stance dance

[jagged pier]

i mean there is a point where being in d stance is optimal

but thats a play by player basis

[loud patrol]

i use d stance when theres a tank buster

[calm sapphire]

Yeah, I've only just started play Prot War so getting used to dancing in raids is something new

[onyx matrix]

Has anyone tried the new raid as tank? How was it? Good/bad?

[calm sapphire]

Only done 2nd boss

Pretty easy on normal if DPS have brains

[onyx matrix]

Ahh nice, we had a few wipes on the storm boss (3rd)

[loud patrol]

gonna do it today so

[calm sapphire]

I don't have a guild, so pugs it is.

[onyx matrix]

Nice, i didnt do the stone giant, was he any difficult?

[fading tide]

I heard blizzard went back to need/greed for raids lol

[onyx matrix]

Same dude, same

[onyx matrix]

They did, alot if nice loot today 😂😄

[tender cove]

Bonemaw big toe any good? almost 10% crit on use

[loud patrol]

i want master loot back

[stark jewel]

yo, do we know if we can get tier set from m+ vault, like we could in s3 of SL?

[calm sapphire]

Yep

[fading tide]

If I’m tanking I better get atleast one piece per boss

[calm sapphire]

Oh actually, not sure

[tender cove]

lol

[lost canyon]

anyone has a pretty good talent raid build?

[blissful fox]

no