protection

[loud patrol]

cleared a +2 jade serpent in like 10 mins

[wary heath]

yeah jade serpent timer is nuts. the mobs SLAP though i felt

maybe it's me

[arctic sinew]

Wait can you do any mythic dungeon for current lvl gear now?

[loud patrol]

yeah season has started

at least for na

[feral wing]

How is the Alchemy Trinket for us? Im thinking about spending my Spark before Season

[arctic sinew]

What I'm asking is about old content dungeons are now on the current m+ list for current ilvl gear?

[feral wing]

The one with haste I guess

[wary heath]

craft the shield

thank me later

[feral wing]

Which shield?

[heavy temple]

Is there a text option for IP to show the % isntead of the value?

[loud patrol]

a weakaura

[heavy temple]

Yes

I have one in my UI, and Id like to adjust it

it currently shows the absorb amount, but id like to change it to a % amount

[modern brook]

% of what

[heavy temple]

% of max

IP absorb

[modern brook]

The max is dynamic so that sounds like a headache

But I'm sure wago has it somewhere

Also pro ably not worth the effort to track ip values

[heavy temple]

yeah, value is irrelevant

[modern brook]

% also irrelevant

[heavy temple]

but id still like the option to check if it is full or not

Are you really never in a situation with like 40 rage, where you could Revenge or IP depending on your IP value?

[modern brook]

Not really

[mighty valley]

it's really really rare that i'd let a GCD be unfilled

[heavy temple]

hmm, even with barbaric training?

[mighty valley]

don't run barbaric training until your stats let you run it without missing GCDs

[heavy temple]

okay

[mighty valley]

maximizing shield slam resets is everything

[modern brook]

^ that harrow fast typer

[arctic sinew]

It might be a waste, but I hit IP like every other thunder clap unless I'm taking alot of dmg, so I never really worry about it

[mighty valley]

yeah, the reality is if you're successfully managing your rage economy by filling every GCD and never overcapping, IP just takes care of itself

[feral wing]

Would you guys go with the shield with customizable stats or the one with the vers proc?

[mighty valley]

it's not until a situation like mythic jailer tankbusters or whatever that you might sacrifice that to ensure a maxed IP

[edgy widget]

Sup guys, there is a wa that shows when use spell reflect? thanks

[modern brook]

Ip gets maintained as a byproduct of playing the rotation right you generate more rage than you can spend with revenge or that you need to spend on block

Ip gets the rest because capping is cringe

That why tracking it is irrelevant, you're just always going to press it if you're going to cap rage

Oh harrow said that too sorry I'm on mobile and trying to be useful

[mighty valley]

[arctic sinew]

I haven't noticed too much difference in dmg taken since the nerf, I still feel pretty solid but haven't done any keys yet. What about you all?

[modern brook]

The 2nd nerf was always pretty inconsequential tbh

[eager schooner]

No no, pwar is unplayable now - the nerf was massive!

[arctic sinew]

Lol

[modern brook]

Doomers just doomin cause they don't have content to fail at yet

[arctic sinew]

I stopped playing warrior in cata and only started playing again in the prepatch. Pretty much love it more now than during wrath when I had to tank without pants to get rage

[wary heath]

highest i've done so far is +6 , what i've noticed is when I do giant pulls, my group dies to random targeting of magic spells and AOE, is the limiting factor, i don't die though

but they get massacred

even with my aggro being held

[sick sentinel]

I had like 900 healing deficit in a +8 hov and thats with me pulling all of the wolves in 1 pull

shits hilarious

[arctic sinew]

I try not to do pulls like that because dps have very fragile egos

[edgy grail]

So what you are saying is you are living far longer than your team so ALL tanks need another 10% nerf? GOT IT!

[wary heath]

i made a big first pull in jade serpent, the 3 waterkin, the tital lurker, and the pack after it, my group instantly evaporated, leaving just me

[weary python]

Poof

[wary heath]

probably my fault, but yeah, the magic just targets everyone but you

[weary python]

Gone like a fart in the wind

[regal blaze]

Hey, quick question. What exactly puts rend onto the enemies with thunder clap? The description of thuderclap or rend doenst help and im not sure if i overlooked something in the talents.

[wary heath]

timers are also really lenient (at least at the difficulty i've done so far), talking like 15-20 minutes left

[arctic sinew]

So I asked and it was never answered. What's the deal with old content dungeons? They get keys now or just certain ones?

[weary python]

Do we need to run a m0 for the first key? Or can we grab a key somewhere?

[edgy grail]

If you type thunder clap in the search bar you can find every talent that mentions it

[wary heath]

skip the m0, just join someone elses's key

it will be a +2 for you

[sick sentinel]

dude this shit is so bad lol

392 btw

[regal blaze]

Didnt know that. That helped a lot thanks!

[wary heath]

armor spikes doing about 1.2 to 1.5% of my damage, overall OK

[edgy grail]

Yea works for like everything, neat new feature

[slim dove]

I do like consistently being top dam and top healing every key

[wary heath]

i haven't been top dam, but i'm doing about 35k-40k overall

[slim dove]

Been pugging cuz my team is raiding like nerds

[loud patrol]

im wating for my team to come to start doing

[pallid quiver]

If you check the dungeon journal, you see 8 keys listed in the M+ season. Those are the dungeons with M+

[slim dove]

The scaling feels great. 5s already killing bad dps very quickly

[pallid quiver]

You may also notice that lack of 4 DF dungeons, as well. Those will be next season with 4 more other dungeons

[wary heath]

the mob damage is definitely going up, HP moves, i've noticed party damage is obviously much higher

people gotta adapt from m0

[lusty tiger]

Scoop a couple pieces before they get on like a chad

[wary heath]

jade serpent has some wipe level AOE fears

[lusty tiger]

Nice my group wasn’t happy chasing after me to each boss

But I’m like “this is the fastest waaaay”

[slim dove]

Jade serpent you just assign 1 kick to each fear mob

Not bad but 1 missed kick is gg

[wary heath]

yeah i got feared in the final room, like 40 mobs pulled

[lusty tiger]

Jade serpent

[wary heath]

i laughed

[lusty tiger]

I don’t remember that at all

[loud patrol]

im gonna

[lusty tiger]

Are there packs in jade serpent with multiple fear mobs?

[slim dove]

Last pull has 2

Room with 3rd boss you have 4 separate packs with 1 each

[dusty stump]

Best horde race for Prot warrior?

[grave crane]

Orc for mog

[lusty tiger]

🧌

If you’re going horde, whatever you think is most cool

[edgy grail]

has BV been fixed yet?

[solar crown]

Vulpera it is then

[edgy grail]

or should we still be using FBV?

[arctic sinew]

Ty for the info

If my warrior wasn't human from day 1 vanilla, I'd probably be a dwarf for the heritage armor or a gnome for the lols

[wary heath]

i don't think it's been fixed, i'm still using BV in keys, but FBV might be objectively better for the moment

it's not like it doesn't work at all

it just resets once you cap out

[arctic sinew]

As far as horde I'd make a vulpera tank for the laugh value

[sleek echo]

Whats gonna be our go to flask for m+?

[long stone]

@strong forum which build will you run for raid ? 1 specific or change between bosses?

[open gazelle]

I just did a 9 bad dps kept dieing

[oblique badger]

primal molten defender vs shield of the hearth?

[heavy temple]

is the primal ritual shell any good?

[long stone]

molten defender

[heavy temple]

i took defender with armor spikes

bcs hearth is ass stats

[oblique badger]

yeah, i just wasnt sure on the vers proc

[pearl tinsel]

Which one should I use?

[lusty grotto]

vers proc is ok but it locks you out to having 1 embelished item

[oblique badger]

didnt put that together!

[stiff linden]

do armor spikes stack or is it a unique equip/can only have one?

[young tartan]

what stats to go on shield

crit haste or haste vers

for M+

[loud patrol]

i did haste vers

[stiff linden]

same

[wary heath]

i did haste vers

armor spikes

haste crit is also great

[young tartan]

yeah

im new to the crafting order, does the quality of the primal molten alloy do anything for me?

or just r1 is fine?

[lucid dew]

has anyone crafted the neck yet?

[loud patrol]

more ilvl

[young tartan]

what does r3 primals end upo with?

[loud patrol]

theres no one doing the primal storms :c

[loud patrol]

rank 5 is the max

i love how you skipped dhs

[neon elk]

Why no monk tho?

[loud patrol]

monks

[lusty grotto]

why are you laughing

monks are the highest dps tank in the game

[craggy pilot]

plka farming +10s 🤔

or whats going on?

they were in +15 earlier, now +10?

[lusty grotto]

need to gear up my dude

[errant sedge]

Farming gear in 10s for an easy push later

[lusty grotto]

did you think they would step in an do 15s with m0 or super rare gear or something?

[edgy grail]

You can

In ptr people did 20s with 392 gear

So surely with 380 you can do a 15

[lusty grotto]

uh huh

in beta you had tier

[lyric elm]

they made 20s harder, they are in line with 16s now

[lusty grotto]

and max ilvl gear

in case you completely forgot about it

[edgy grail]

You didnt have max ilvl

[lyric elm]

yes and that too. sets are pretty big

[edgy grail]

You were scaled to 392

But yes you had tier

[lusty grotto]

ok ill wait for your 15s run

please post

[lyric elm]

at least 5% more mit with sets

[hot ore]

Dorki with Yummy and the other are farming 15-16s right now

[craggy pilot]

just saying +10 seems like a weird key to stop at 🤔 and i didnt see if they had issues with the +15

[lusty grotto]

its not weird at all

[craggy pilot]

since +11 drops the craft item

[lyric elm]

why is +10 weird? its a good place to be

[lusty grotto]

fast keys easy valor cap

[wary heath]

good place to practice and farm

[lusty grotto]

did you farm valor in 20s in s4?

cause i didnt

[craggy pilot]

just 11 would mean they get the craft item as well

[lusty grotto]

i farmed valor in 10 to 15s

[lyric elm]

well 11 is plenty harder than 10

[craggy pilot]

but no clue how big the crafting item is 🤷‍♂️

[wary heath]

Is the bonus loot M+ system still the same from shadowlands? 1 2 3 chest = 15% additional item ?

per chest

[neon elk]

U are still caped by sparks for crafted items tho

[lusty grotto]

for the most part yes

[craggy pilot]

still you need like 10 of them

[lusty grotto]

yes, which is why they'll get them after

[neon elk]

Yea but a lot of people that are doing highest content rn already got all reps on max so they got those thingies covered and are caped by sparks

[lusty grotto]

correct

[craggy pilot]

oh ye true

forgot the renown thing

dunno if plka did that though?

he would have to have 2x Renown 25

[lusty grotto]

for 2 items sure

but maybe hes waiting out on what to upgrade on his 2nd spark

[tender cove]

I know nobody asked but my own plan tomorrow is to spam 10s :p
I'll mostly pug and banging my head against extra hard content taking extra long time is just not worth it.

[lyric elm]

yea easiest way to get 392

https://i.imgur.com/Cmnb7Hy.png

[wary heath]

anyone fail a key yet ?

[lyric elm]

feels EU man

[craggy pilot]

should we do 5man plate grp spamming +10s? 😄

[tender cove]

yup, will give me a good 15 ilvl overall bump, good balance to learn dungeons without being overly punished and then I can go from there.

[lyric elm]

yup

no need to spam 11s since youll be capped on sparks anyway

[tender cove]

Nobody fails in here, all pro's

[craggy pilot]

first week is Enraging Quaking it looks like

not too bad i guess

[wary heath]

yes very easy

[craggy pilot]

is it Fort?

[stark jewel]

yup

its fort

[wary heath]

they gave us easy week on purpose

[craggy pilot]

fort raging hmm

[lyric elm]

https://i.imgur.com/RUwsrMQ.png

[lusty grotto]

lol?

[lyric elm]

ez pez

[craggy pilot]

how does the Thuindering work?

• goes to - or something right?

[lyric elm]

you get a dmg increase but have to move to another person within 10s or you get stunned for 7s

yea +-

[craggy pilot]

ok, is there an idea to do it first sec or last sec?

or is it just yolo fast chug it?

[lyric elm]

as the tank you kinda want to clear it fast

cuz dps dont want to get into cleaves n shit

[craggy pilot]

but i guess i just do nothing, and let them clear it on me

[lyric elm]

yep

[craggy pilot]

will we get 5 +/- tho?

[lyric elm]

so usually healer will go to you

[craggy pilot]

so 3 + 2 - fx?

[lyric elm]

3+2 so 1 person will be left

they will not be stunned however

[craggy pilot]

ye so i guess healer or tank will be left usually?

[lyric elm]

preferably dps but sometimes tank needs to be left yes

[jade pulsar]

No u want big pumper dps to be left

[lyric elm]

theres a lot of cleaving guys in nohkud for example

sure you want but its not always possible

[main sable]

Anyone use a specific WA to track show of force or is tracking it not needed?

[craggy pilot]

wait why? i thought the one getting left doesnt get the dmg buff?

[craggy pilot]

dont track it, its just there in the background

[pallid quiver]

Having the shocking thing gives the damage buff is how it goes, iirc

[lyric elm]

the person left gets the buff for the full duration

[jade pulsar]

U have the dmg buff while u havent cleared it, so the longer u hold the longer dps increase

[brave temple]

strongest tank still?

[lyric elm]

tank does good dps so its not the worst choice

[brave temple]

or is blood dk XD

[craggy pilot]

ohhh so thats why popping it late is good

[jade pulsar]

Ye

[craggy pilot]

nah we suck, Brew is the shit now

[lyric elm]

prot is strongest on paper

[polar raptor]

Has talent based macro's been developed yet for this system?

[craggy pilot]

yes

[main sable]

@craggy pilot Ok ty. I figured as much but I'd rather ask to be safe. I consciously TC after I revenge anyway

[craggy pilot]

#showtooltip
/cast [known: Storm Bolt] Storm Bolt
/cast Slam

[polar raptor]

Thanks buddy, I searched, but came up empty. much appreciated

[craggy pilot]

#showtooltip
/cast [known:Thunder Clap] Thunder Clap
/cast Rend

this one makes more sense 😄

[polar raptor]

I was trying to do one this morning for a pvp specific talent changes, just made new macro, but would rather make them multi spec/build

[craggy pilot]

multi spec doesnt make a lot of sense though

i think it complicates it a bit much

[polar raptor]

I just don't have enough macro space for character specific

[craggy pilot]

just flow into the General Macros

[polar raptor]

I could, it's currently filled with mage macro's from OG wrath

[craggy pilot]

😄 99% of them probably dont work anymore

[main sable]

Curious why do this macro if we havt b&t?

[craggy pilot]

its from Arms

wouldnt do this Macro in Prot at all

but its my best example for what he wanted 🙂

[main sable]

Understood.

I'm using a SS IP macro I think found in the macro list in guide or it was in the pins. Can't remember

[craggy pilot]

remember dont use it as ur only way of pressing SS

[mighty valley]

the idea of the macro is that your IP button also casts SS

not the other way around

[craggy pilot]

honestly its a scary macro to show in pins 😄 because people will do this instead of SS 😄

[mighty valley]

yeah, people always asking what they can macro SB into

[craggy pilot]

if you want easy macro for this season, just do
#showtooltip Shield Slam
/cast Shield Block
/cast Shield Slam

this usually doesnt work, but it kinda does with the amount of uptime we have now + HR

i was considering doing that but didnt go there yet 😄

[fading tide]

I just tanked my first ever plus 5. I’m the greatest rank alive

[craggy pilot]

huge bro ❤️

[tender cove]

Can i have your autograph plz?

[craggy pilot]

keep pushing

[main sable]

I'll try that out tonight too. And no I haven't been only using that IP macro exclusively. Only when I'm nearing rage cap and SS is up

[fading tide]

Thanks it was that nook nook one

[tender cove]

Solid signature bro

[craggy pilot]

it just makes you use Shield Block all the time, its not rly important if you already click SB by instinct

[tender cove]

Click? You click SB bro?

[craggy pilot]

i click SB on my keyboard

😄

[vague creek]

Do we have a place for macros. Like a made list of useful ones

[tender cove]

great save, much smooth

[craggy pilot]

or wowhead

[vague creek]

Thanks 🙏🏼

[radiant wagon]

what is this IP macro all about?

[craggy pilot]

there should be a macro section on the wowhead guide

[craggy pilot]

My IP+SS Macro
/cast Ignore Pain
/cast Shield Slam

YES, i macro'd ,specifically in that order, Shield Slam TO my regular Ignore Pain Keybind.
❗ THIS IS ONLY ON IGNORE PAIN, NOT TO BE USED AS YOUR NORMAL SHIELD SLAM BUTTON ❗

.
its all in though 🤔

[radiant wagon]

sorry dude

but thanks

[craggy pilot]

npnp it happens 🙂

[fathom pine]

Guys have you found any tank guides for raid? Im checking tanknotes usually. Do you suggest something else?

[main sable]

Correct me if I'm wrong nielsen but I think the macro is to snipe SS procs while being able to get IP going and it supposedly casts it before any rage is spent?

[craggy pilot]

yes exactly

its to save on globals once in a while

not sure how often its relevant

usually for me i press IP before SS by instinct during the previous global

[tender cove]

mythictrap.com is what I use

[fast knot]

Jade Serpent with Quaking and Raging

Can go fuck themselves

[fathom pine]

thanks buddy ❤️

[tender cove]

np:)

[hearty terrace]

Do we have anything on spark usage?

[craggy pilot]

they dont matter too much, so its all up to you

how fun

[hearty terrace]

Mad

[craggy pilot]

the best one was supposedly nerfed, so theyre all kinda the same

its more about which slot you want to keep open for other stuff

so you can make shield, neck, ring, bracer, belt, boots

all up to you

or trinket even

weapon is also an option

[deft ermine]

Guys, are you betting on druid, warrior or DH for this season's meta tank?

[lyric geode]

Dh

Next is druid

Next is bdk

After bdk is us.

[deft ermine]

😦

[lyric geode]

Okay, it could be worse.

[craggy pilot]

brew meta

[lyric geode]

We could be in position of brm.

[deft ermine]

hahaha

[lyric geode]

That is troll for sure.

[deft ermine]

This nerf really got us :/

[lyric geode]

Yep

At least, it didnt reduce our dmg.

Which was decent.

[worldly kiln]

wow just did a +5 ruby and feeling thic rn

[bitter parrot]

do you guys take Sonic Boom talent? i took it instead of One Hand Specialization

[craggy pilot]

one hand spec is rly good

[tender cove]

Nah, too good to pass up

[lyric geode]

Thic? I don't speak argo.

[bitter parrot]

how so

[tender cove]

5% leech

[craggy pilot]

5% leech is big

a lot of healing

[bitter parrot]

5% is a lot? didnt realize

[lyric geode]

We can easily reach 10%

[bitter parrot]

cool

[craggy pilot]

and Shockwave is not a dmg CD

so Sonic Boom is kinda pointless

[bitter parrot]

40k on a pack of 8 mobs

[craggy pilot]

Leeching Strikes + 1h Spec = 10% leech

[bitter parrot]

its not bad

[lyric geode]

Easily reach 15%

[fringe fjord]

guys is still "Elemental Lariat" the go to with my first spark as Prot Warrior ?

[lyric geode]

Guys, how leech as a tentiary stat is worth?

[tender cove]

5% is A LOT and it also double dips with the 5% increase in dmg, making the relative value of both our leech talents higher.

[bitter parrot]

i see, thank you very much

[lyric geode]

Mean, lets say a gear is 376. And the same gear is 372 but with leech. Which item would you choose?

[hearty terrace]

Cool I think I'll make shield and neck then 🙂

[craggy pilot]

shield is huge

[tender cove]

just the leech enchants is worth 2%

[craggy pilot]

it was nerfed recently, no clue how good it is currently, but all Embellish items should be good to craft

[lyric geode]

Meaning that protection warrior is the class with the biggest leech by far.

[brave temple]

pin it

xd

[tender cove]

Wouldn't that be bdk?

[fringe fjord]

thanks , i am kinda new to warrior so i guess shield should be a nice upgrade

what ilvl it will be btw on max qiality?

[craggy pilot]

on max qual its 392

[fringe fjord]

i am on EU so no M+ yet

[lyric geode]

Blood has leech but it is cd, not passive.

[craggy pilot]

you can upgrade it later to 405, then 418

[hearty terrace]

It procs Vers?

[lyric geode]

Also, leech is huge.

[fringe fjord]

oh so its 392 anyways

[craggy pilot]

there are 2 shields, the proc vers is a little meh

[lyric geode]

Lets say you have 20% leech.

[hearty terrace]

What one do I want

[craggy pilot]

probably the one without proc

[lyric geode]

Means that if you do 40kdps overall. You will have a maximum passive hps of 8khps

[craggy pilot]

you can slap either Armor Spikes on it, or the Food embellishment

[hearty terrace]

Fabulous thank you brother xoxo

[craggy pilot]

food embellishment doesnt count as an embellishment though

[lyric geode]

It isnt on demand. For sure, but it is quite handy.

[craggy pilot]

so its free bonus equip

why do i always forget if its Leech or Avoidance for M+ 🤔

[lyric geode]

What you say? Does leech feel op?

[tender cove]

ol? old? op? oily?

Seeing how much it heals me for, i'd say its gonna be bit OP with lucky gear, yeh.

[lyric geode]

Also, my question that nobody answered. Would you picked a 4 ilvl lower gear but with leech?

[craggy pilot]

armor no, jewelry maybe

[tender cove]

Generally speaking, no, ilvl is king.

[craggy pilot]

ilvl is king on Str slots

[tulip kelp]

Is everyone still feeling pretty strong? I just did a 5 and barely 2 chested we had like 40 deaths tho lol

[craggy pilot]

but i think still Secondary Stats > Leech

[tender cove]

this is just a new season, people are all clueless, bruteforcing it á la m0

it will get better

[tulip kelp]

Yeah was trying to skip that second dragon mini before second boss and people kept pulling g and wiping us

That thing hurts

[craggy pilot]

which dungeon?

[lyric geode]

Ruby right?

[tulip kelp]

Yeah

Not sure how I mitigate that Thunder bite it does… hits like a truck

[open gazelle]

court of stars pretty brutal and NO can be with no kicks everything else seems breezy

[grave wedge]

Truth hunter misdirect pull the room is real today. But if does feel great when you make it happen

[stark dagger]

dbm vs bigwigs justt preference?

always used dbm

[edgy grail]

BW menu is better

And updates are usually faster on BW for new content

[stark dagger]

preciate it

[fading tide]

Does tanking in D stance show I’m a scrub?

[fast knot]

I was pretty much in Dstance the entire run of Temple 11

[sleek current]

Oh wait, you're talking about the dragon. Ignore me.

[edgy grail]

You only switch to d stance when you need it

[tender cove]

Moving on quest for unlocking world quests, thats only once per account right?

Dont have todo it on alt?

[sleek current]

Yeah

Correct

[tender cove]

Coolio, ty 😄

[sleek current]

No worries. 🙂

[weary python]

Any idea on how this trinket is?

[wary heath]

I'd assume bad

[bronze kestrel]

has anyone gotten elemental lariat ?

[warm plinth]

It's decent-ish? It's like 55ish% uptime on like 850ish mastery (assuming you're fighting a level 70). But it is mastery so...

[red wave]

Has anyone found someone with Lariat yet, or is it bugged like people think?

[weary python]

Is there a decent list of trinkets? The Wowhead/ icy veins lists seem kind of feelycraft

[urban portal]

It’s the best you got

[warm plinth]

They are not feelycraft, I can assure you of that

[tulip kelp]

I just got 382 shield from world quest.. is 10 ilvl worth it for spark shield still?

[warm plinth]

ilevel is always worth it on shield

But whether you think that's good enough to wait for an M+ shield is up to you

[fading halo]

are we sitting battle stance tonight for raid?

[tulip kelp]

I lost roll on 2x 392 shields in normal raid to holy pals today lol

[mortal brook]

If you get an infusion to make spark shield 405 sure

Otherwise m+ replaces both

[warm plinth]

Steeeeeeeeeeve

[delicate kraken]

Always that one random mob in a dungeon that does mortal strike

[tulip kelp]

What's this infusion?

[mortal brook]

Correct. Dont spend sparks without knowing about infusions

[warm plinth]

You do +11-15 keys and get primal focus and combine 10 with 100 primal chaos and it acts like a superpowered titan matrix and you can get up to a 405 item

There's a higher one that drops from +16-20 keys but not sure how realistic it is to get those this week for most people. Those go up to like 418 I think?

[reef haven]

Can't you just recraft the spark items with the infusions?

[warm plinth]

As far as I'm aware, yes

But at this point if he already has a 382, it's probably worth just waiting til you have the infusion

to save some mats

[reef haven]

I'm more worried about enchanting my items than some mats

wtf are the weapon enchants prices

[warm plinth]

Are you raiding like heroic or mythic this week?

[reef haven]

heroic yes

[warm plinth]

Gotcha. I was gonna say if you're not then I probably wouldn't worry about it but I imagine your guild probably wouldn't like that 😂

Since prices will drop once things settle

[novel temple]

That’s fucked. They better let you get the heroic shield

[gloomy pulsar]

is Elemental Lariat still BiS after nerfs?

[warm plinth]

Probably but they apparently broke the design so it's not dropping yet lol.

[lyric geode]

And it only takes like 1k gold from ah to buy. And they overselling it like 10 to 20k...

[wary heath]

When your key turns into a court of stars and you have never done the dungeon before

[deft hazel]

i wanna do m+ but idk dungeons and dont wanna be flamed

[wary heath]

I'm just watching a quick guide then fuck it. Queue up

[warm plinth]

Most important part is probably to remember to let the group deactivate the beacons before you pull first boss, and make sure that you bring the fel enforcers to a corner so the huge DoT can be LoSed

[dawn marsh]

Yeah reading a little bit is handy, then just Q up. Fuck up, learn, fuck it up again, learn from it and so forth.

[warm plinth]

I think most of the dungeon other than that is pretty apparent

[wary heath]

Luckily dps are dying so much now I can scape goat most errors to them

[warm plinth]

😂

[dawn marsh]

Waiting for EU reset and doing the 4 older dungeons I've never done before, that's going to be some fun.

[warm plinth]

I've done all of them before except for Shadowmoon

Because I didn't stick around long in WoD

[wary heath]

Jade is super easy. It's also linear and you have to pull basically everything

[warm plinth]

I hear the 2nd to last boss is pretty brutal in Jade but yeah routing-wise it's a no-brainer

[oak echo]

Me but it was also my first time seeing Thundering lol

[wary heath]

The panda girl? It's very simple fight

[warm plinth]

Court can be a bit daunting at first route-wise because you need to pull either enforcers or clear trash to the mini-boss activators

So you have to get used to where everything is

[warm plinth]

Yeah it's not a hard fight mechanically but I heard it was trucking on beta

[edgy grail]

Ngl I just looked at the dorki routes not really needed but helps you know what to expect so makes it easier to learn for me

[lusty grotto]

the heal absorb is still huge

it trucks quite a bit

[regal blaze]

Hey, do you ever use Hamstring or Whirlwind?

[warm plinth]

Hamstring, sometimes. Whirlwind, you can take it off your bar

Revenge does everything Whirlwind does, but better.

[regal blaze]

Thanks

[fading halo]

are we sitting battle stance for the raid?

[mint pike]

Is the WoWhead prot page up to date?

[toxic pewter]

you guys think lariat is still good? guy wants 100k commission to make

[clever surge]

yeah its good but no 100k is not worth it lol

i'll take like 20k commission for it

find someone else to craft it for you

[toxic pewter]

yeah 100k bit steep

and im not in any major rush or anything

[summer monolith]

how rare is that recipe for lariat tho?

[toxic pewter]

seems not super common

at least as far as i can tell

[clever surge]

pretty rare apparently

i wonder for how much the recipe sells on the ah

[summer monolith]

there are 300k worth of public orders waiting on my realm

[loud patrol]

man

ruby is not fun anymore lmao

[mighty valley]

pretty easy to start in battle stance and if any boss really starts fucking you up, go to dstance sometimes

[ancient cosmos]

Deco of Flame and Shield off 1st boss after crafting shield -.-

[proud dock]

anyone else getting a visual bug or a straight up bug in jade temple? he does wash away but glitches out

[mellow quartz]

nope

[delicate kraken]

Anyone have a addon or weakaura for the new affix

I can't imagine running this affix in pugs without an external

[slim dove]

2nd boss nogud

[deft hazel]

why 100k commission wtf is wrong with people lmao

[slim dove]

oof.

[mellow quartz]

https://wago.io/TAmsZl439

[civic zodiac]

What build are you guys gonna run in m+? 🙂

[severe summit]

hello, why do all talents recommend rend when it isnt in the rotation?

[warm plinth]

Blood and Thunder applies it when you Thunder Clap.

[severe summit]

thank you!

[warm plinth]

But only if it's talented

[warm plinth]

The one in the pins

[slim dove]

any lariat chads in the chat?

yeah your taking orders?

[quaint zodiac]

Curious if people have a rough estimate of exactly how much the nerfs hit overall mitigation?

[mighty valley]

read pins

[slim dove]

[warm plinth]

Have to be on the same server to take orders anyway so this wouldn't exactly be a great place to try for one

[slim dove]

meh worked for my 392 shield

[craggy pilot]

for what profession?

[summer monolith]

JC neck Elemental Lariat

[tender cove]

does s1 start after maintaince ends or at reset 9 am?

[warm plinth]

S1 is already started my friend

[tender cove]

for eu^^

[summer monolith]

think its right after reset in eu

[warm plinth]

Oh, is your weekly reset after the maintenance?

[tender cove]

yes

[warm plinth]

I imagine it starts at the reset then

[open gazelle]

That +11 azure vault wasn’t so bad

[tender cove]

so no point staying up now then? 😦

[open gazelle]

Curious does anyone have eyes on the big raiding guild races? Where can I track their progress?

[warm plinth]

Probably not 😦

[tender cove]

says its maint for 2 hours now, 03.00-05.00. Could just watch a movie if I can go ham 05 or whenever maintance ends but cba being up to 8am for reset

[oblique garnet]

Reset is at 5 am

It was changed

No longer at 8-9am

[tender cove]

It changed for df?

[warm plinth]

raider.io and method's website (http://method.gg/raidprogress) are both good places to track it

[oblique garnet]

Changed in prepatch

[tender cove]

Interesting

[warm plinth]

Oh, ty Late

Sorry I didn't know that. My bad Freak

[oblique garnet]

2 more hours 🙏

[tender cove]

I didnt either so its cool bro 😄

[oblique garnet]

Gonna lose my mind if i dont get weapons asap

[craggy pilot]

people staying up for the release, or going to sleep?

[loud hull]

when is release?

3am?

or 7am

[oblique garnet]

Woke up few hours ago

[tender cove]

Its 50/50... I just wanna fucking go bro...but the smart move is going to bed and going up early.

[craggy pilot]

lol

im about to go to bed

and play at like 12

[slim dove]

9 nokgud

[warm plinth]

I agree. More chance for the bugs to be fixed too lol

[slim dove]

spooky ngl, 2nd boss is a grind

[proud dock]

is there a court of stars weak aura for the last area puzzle? i cant seem to find one on wago

[tender cove]

yeh and if maintaince needs to be extended i'm bit fucked and the more tired I am, the less quality gaming I'll get. It's just a recipe for disaster xD

[neon elk]

My war sold like 10+ wepons already so i guess im not getin any in m+

[oblique garnet]

My shaman has 301 and 296 weps

[loud hull]

yo

is EU 9am or?

[tender cove]

5 am as I just found out.

[oblique garnet]

2 hours

[loud hull]

okeeeey

thanks

[tender cove]

US haven't even killed one boss? That's bit weak innit?

[oblique garnet]

Dont think anyone has gone to mythic yet

[tender cove]

Doesn't even say heroic kills either when I look wowprogress

I get that the RWF guilds are doing their splits and whatnot but not anyone going ham? Not a single guild out of all of them? 😒

[craggy pilot]

dont think Liquid started HC yet?

or is it HC currently streamed?

looks like quite a lot of the high key US Warriors have 405 Wep with Fang Adornments

[tender cove]

haven't watched stream in 2 hours now but they were doing normal splits in 3 groups.

and having LFG tool flood them with people willing to just come and give their gear away for a chance at fame :p

[tender cove]

Im going hunting for a shield+wep tomorrow that's for sure 😄

they should pin the reward structure from m+, just my 5 cents 😄

[slim dove]

fang adornment?

[royal coral]

its the effect that proc physical dmg pretty sure

emblishment

https://www.wowhead.com/item=193551/fang-adornments

[tender cove]

So gotta push at least one key to 16 first week,, go get a proper 415 piece in vault

Is there some weapon+shield we want above others now?

[royal coral]

Yummy crafted shield

[tender cove]

is there some list for that?

Just keep upgrading it is what you say?

and eventually you get it 415 or what?

[royal coral]

Tis my plan, but im also a shield spec BS so its on me to upgrade my own shield :p

418

[tender cove]

already?

[royal coral]

405 is hc upgrade with 419 max mythic upgrade

i mean server arnt live for EU yet, but that the plan :p

[tender cove]

I want 418 shield

[grand arrow]

Hi mates is bv allways bugged or they fixt it ?

[tender cove]

explain what I need

plz bro

[tender cove]

always bugg4ed

bsv also broken

[royal coral]

The crafted gear can be upgraded with primal infusions, which drop form hc raid boss or +11 m+ / mythic one sare 16+ i think

[grand arrow]

Can you explain why nerftank play with it

[paper coral]

FUCK druids lmao

[warm plinth]

because he feels like it idk

Who knows why high key players do what they do

[tender cove]

because it was the sugesstion before nerfs, so guess it just stuck and havent been changed.

things go so fast, back and forth, its hard to keep ontop of every change

[paper coral]

Druids do so much damage

i cant hold aanything against my raid member lmao

[tender cove]

What is your raid member?

[paper coral]

guardian druid?

[tender cove]

wait, you are prot warr?

[paper coral]

Yes

[tender cove]

Ok, got it confused. I can help you sort this out.

What are you doing? Explain when it happems

[paper coral]

Uh, he just does a lot of damage?

[tender cove]

and what are you doing?

is it in raid or m+?

[paper coral]

Dragons roar, avatar, shockwave, ravager, tclap, revenge, shield charge

raid, why would there be two tanks in an M+?

[tender cove]

I often 2-3 tank with some people but nvm that

Is that also the order you send it?

[paper coral]

We're logging, so i'll go ver them after i'm done

no.

[tender cove]

Like, how does a pull look for you?

[paper coral]

i'm just slapping them on CD.

I run in, avatar, tclap, roar, demo, ravager

[tender cove]

Can you give us the logs? Much easier.

[tender cove]

And you are in battle stance, yes?

[sacred flare]

So i should have a 100% uptime on shield block in m+ right

[paper coral]

I bounce between, but yeah

[paper coral]

Yes and probably IP

[tender cove]

And the druid just rips it constantly from you?
Are she holding cooldowns for when after you are done?

or both using on pull?

[paper coral]

He gets them at the start and keeps it.

[sacred flare]

Missing something then i avg around 70-80

[craggy pilot]

Show talents

[tender cove]

And is it only at starts fight? Or over entire fight?

Do you also have logs?

[craggy pilot]

With what you said you should not lose agro to a guardian tbh, unless u are not pressing stuff, if you can either share log or DPS comparison we can maybe help there

Details DPS maybe

[sacred flare]

They stand for the most part some time I swap impenidng wall for Bloodborne

[paper coral]

Yeah, i cant' egt logs till end of raid

[tender cove]

so much problems with this

[sacred flare]

Also only had P up 83% of the time

[craggy pilot]

Swap itf for HR and ur good on SB bro

[sacred flare]

ITF?

[craggy pilot]

Into the frey

[cinder nova]

wtf.

[sacred flare]

I was looking for that

i knew there was one that extended

[cinder nova]

I'm doing less DPS than top parses but my CPM is several grades higher on everything.

[craggy pilot]

But also u might wanna swap those Shockwave talents for dragon roar

[sacred flare]

My avg in m+ of the 2 i ran is about 30k

[craggy pilot]

But up to you tbh

[sacred flare]

M shockwave ends up 2nd damage and alot of interupts

[cinder nova]

It's not that good.

[craggy pilot]

Yea if you like the playstyle keep it

[cinder nova]

Roar is going to do more damage every time.

[craggy pilot]

But dragons roar would do more

Since it buffs rend

[cinder nova]

And DW

And itself

[paper coral]

He's critting maul for 60k on pull lmao

[craggy pilot]

So is the problem only on pull? Then just let him start with the boss lol

[midnight vault]

man, what phial we using boys?

for just general raiding?

[craggy pilot]

I think there are like 3 possible phials currently

[midnight vault]

there are, and i can't decide

lol

[craggy pilot]

They should be in wowhead guide

[sacred flare]

also bars seem to swap out of m+ any one else notice that

[craggy pilot]

Take the cheapest one ezpz

[grave crane]

I think elemental, verse one should be decent or glacial fury for m+

[sacred flare]

Glacial is alot in M+

[midnight vault]

eye in the storm seems great for m+

static empowerment seems.. good, i think

but just not sure about the movement

like, the tradeoff

[rugged root]

where can i find routes for mythic+

[sacred flare]

cant help but move some times

[midnight vault]

or elemental chaos for just the chaos

iunno

gah

[deft hazel]

ngl for me i can feel the tank nerfs on giant pulls

[mellow quartz]

you sure that's not because you are doing m+ instead of m0?

[wary heath]

How ?

[sick sentinel]

How can you feel it on content you've not done?

[mellow quartz]

I just feel my low haste and feel sad

[slim dove]

im tanking 9s and my health bar doesn't move.

the dps however, lmao

[mellow quartz]

the first pull in HOV is fun this week

mobs enrage on their own and they enrage with raging affix

double enrage, good times

[slim dove]

i found it np

all they do is tank damage

[mellow quartz]

well how much do you pull?

I pull all trash before first boss in 1

[slim dove]

everything up to heimdall

[mellow quartz]

on 15 they hurt 🤷‍♂️

[slim dove]

yeah im not there yet, my healer is mia lol

[mellow quartz]

especially when your healer dies

[slim dove]

and my two DHs have adhd and keep standing in shit

[vernal vale]

Oof lol

[mellow quartz]

they freaking changes the visual look of storming

its impossible to see who has what now without a WA

[digital frigate]

I love this chat

I can feel the nerf. Everyone rolls with it. And then some guy with a brain. “How? How can you feel it on content you’ve not done”

I’m in fucking tears 😂😂

[mellow quartz]

'everyone rolls with it' what?

literally the next 2 comments questioned him

[digital frigate]

I am embellishing my post, Alyrion. It’s not a good post if I don’t lie in it.

Go away.

[slim dove]

[blazing idol]

Yeah pulling 2 packs like a chump

[slow sky]

Can I ask what’s the stats priority for prot warriors?

[slim dove]

nah pulling 3+ until my healer starts yelling at me

[slow sky]

It shows like versatility and crit has higher valuation over mastery? Not sure if this is correct

[blazing idol]

Man you must use every second of them timers

[slim dove]

new posters tryna start shit

go away

[blazing idol]

Im not starting anything sir just pointing out our health bars do in fact move when you time keys

[royal coral]

by "time keys" do you mean +3 with half the timer remaining?

[slim dove]

yeah yeah your an absolute gigachad doing 20s with lfg pugs

good meme

[graceful mason]

anybody come across a windfury value table across specs?

[blazing idol]

If you are capable than of course

[royal coral]

let me get my dark souls meme out

[blazing idol]

I didn’t say that; If you are timing a 9 than your health bar is moving , I think over exaggeration of warriors power starts a bad rumor

[slim dove]

and your wrong, play your class better

[blazing idol]

I’d love to see a log or anything

[royal coral]

of what? you came in here saying you cant time any keys if u dont giga pull everything, followed by saying if you cant your not "capable"

[blazing idol]

You need to read a little better than

Personal problem

[slim dove]

salty brm im guessing

[digital frigate]

There is a CD in our talent tree now right which turns spell reflect into a magic deduction, right?

Is there anytime we would take this?

[blazing idol]

No I’m a prot warrior with self awareness , we handle damage very well and steady with minimal self healing. We surely don’t take zero damage and exaggerating starts rumors

[digital frigate]

Am I making sense? I think it’s like 20% less magic damage or something…

[mighty valley]

that's just how the spell works

[digital frigate]

Man, I must have trouble understanding. Ty

[slim dove]

[sick sentinel]

👀

[mighty valley]

you might be thinking of spell block, a separate defensive talent that applies your block to magic damage

[digital frigate]

Yeah!! That one.

[mighty valley]

but it's on a choice node with tough as nails, so unless you really really need the magic survivability, it's not usually a great tradeoff

we'll learn in time which situations might warrant it, wouldn't put it in your all purpose build

[digital frigate]

I see. Thanks for explaining.

[royal coral]

Guess if theres a raid fight with high magicly dmg proberly

[digital frigate]

I was curious if anyone had discovered a use for it.

[warm plinth]

It has plenty of use but it's just largely unnecessary 99% of the time

One of those things that's giga strong but niche

[mighty valley]

yeah it's less "where is this useful" and more "where is this really gonna be the difference between winning or losing"

[digital frigate]

Got it. Thank you

[grave crane]

I could see spell block in some raid fights since your only tanking 50% of the time

[jovial birch]

Yo is Rumbling Ruby from raid any good for prot i won it but idk if i should keep

[tender cove]

if you close b.net, eu is getting patch

[limpid plaza]

Any of you have a WA for seeing red / outburst? Mine stoped working

[tender cove]

tried noms wa package? very neat all though bit wide for most setups

[limpid plaza]

i have not

I use Quazii wa package

is it better tho?

[summer monolith]

servers are already up on eu <.<

[warm plinth]

you're welcome for beta testing

[cinder knot]

how worth is it spending rage on IP over just healing with indomitable on a raid scenario?

with revenge ^

[digital frigate]

praise eu

[mighty valley]

you have to spend rage on IP to prevent overcapping

but that is basically the only time you press it

[cinder knot]

tyty!

[deft hazel]

is this jade temple supposed to hurt

[lucid dew]

Last pack roughhh

[forest marten]

be sure to focus down the mist mob and the dps needs to be kickin the hydrolance if possible

[deft hazel]

dw i pulled the entire hallway with water and we all died

[sand pebble]

I did the same in a 2 everyone else died

Mage doing 9k overall had a cry, didnt interupt anything entire run

[vernal vale]

@shut summit I need to figure out what the hell you did on council different than i did. Played like ass on that fight

[cinder nova]

I'm malding my group is dropping shit right under tanks reee

[warm plinth]

9k, yuge

[vernal vale]

that was our entire wind dathae tonight was spreading the marks

started with heroic so we ran out of time to kill it tonight

only got a couple pulls

on normal

[outer tartan]

is BV still bugged?

[warm plinth]

Yes

[proud dock]

did DBM change somehow? seems to not work in dungs/keys for me

[fallen pulsar]

yeah people spreading lightning to tanks in council and dathea today lol

normal dathea tripped me up since both adds spawn on the main platform

honestly think it makes it more annoying than having one on a side platform

[tender cove]

why does the valor say 1500 season maximum? What?

[loud patrol]

fuck

[tender cove]

did they change how valor worked or smt? Feels extremely low, no?

[indigo wharf]

It say on first week 1500 then +750 cap each if irrc

[loud patrol]

oh

where do i upgrade here? or i just go to the pvp?

[tender cove]

ahh, that makes sense ye

should have went to bed instead but got 2 keys done at least 😄

[loud patrol]

i did like 5

my max is +8 right now

without all the nerf prob i could have gone to +9

[terse hollow]

Anyone know if m+ is up on eu?

[errant sedge]

Its Up for like an 1hr now

[lucid dew]

Decoration of flame bis trinket for m plus?

[vernal vale]

its a solid trinket really, damange and an absorb on use

BIS hard to say really but I imagine it will be strong

[terse hollow]

Have talents been changed much for m+? Gunna hop on n make a start

[lucid dew]

Seems like blood spattered right?

[sharp night]

it's much worse than that

the shield refreshes, doesn't stack

so if you don't time it between hits, you lose half the value instantly

[lucid dew]

Ohhh shit

That is kind of lame

[vernal vale]

well shit i hadnt seen that

[sharp night]

yeah, and it's tuned around getting full value out of the shield

[lucid dew]

Gross

[sharp night]

like, it's comparable to other trinkets IF you get 100% value out of the shield, but that's unlikely

[lucid dew]

I feel let down ha

[vernal vale]

it will basically be a tank buster button then

get hit absorb goes away new absorb

[lucid dew]

The incarnate one seems really good if your group stacks or

It

But I guess is super rare

[scenic mural]

are the talent trees in the pins still go to? looking for cookie cutter m+ build based around doing dam. havent played with the new trees

[weary notch]

yes but swap Brutal Vitality with Fueled By Violence

[proud dock]

is dragon games eqipment sim trap?

[cinder storm]

Ran like 15 dungeons today +2 - +10, only 5 ilvl worth upgrade all in all. Shadow moon burial is BiS

[austere pelican]

can anyone send me talents ?

[warm plinth]

[weary notch]

Dragon Games Equipment does a lot of dmg when it works. Sometimes you walk over hte balls and you just can't kick them

[loud patrol]

im too bad to run +10 right now

that or i just dont know the routes

[cinder storm]

they are not that bad, the affix doesnt really do much, like I could tell at least

I was more focused on the affix than the mobs

I'm just 475, ran with a hunter 460 and a disc 465, a mm and another random, mostly helping people out. One or two DHs will make a difference and you will barely need to tank

We depleted a CoS 10 bc two of the players were learning the dungeon

[warm plinth]

475 👀

[loud patrol]

.-.

idk i did so much jade serpent in beta that feels normal to me even easy

[wary heath]

no not bad

[cinder storm]

Last boss has a ton of hp, theres a lot of aoe, and more mag dmg than usual

It's not bad, not my favorite either lol

[loud patrol]

better than cos tho

[warm plinth]

CoS ezpz

👀

[digital frigate]

I love prot warrior it is fun

[main sable]

Alright. So first spark elemental lariat right with haste and vers?
second spark? Primal Molten Longsword, Defender, or infurious helm of vengeance?

[warm plinth]

if you don't have a shield, go for shield. If you do, go for weapon

[indigo wharf]

Frostfire belt not bad too imo

[main sable]

I have a 372 Drakescale Heater Shield.

But also have a 379 weapon

Kind of sucks cause I'm a weaponsmith

[silent anchor]

I can make the shield

[unique breach]

worth crafting engineer goggles with a spark?

[vernal vale]

no

[sand pebble]

Anyone confirmed whete concetrated primal drops from? Id love to know amount that drop and can it be completed today

[warm plinth]

Drops from 16-20 keys

[sand pebble]

1 per run?

Group wide?

[warm plinth]

I believe it's 1 per person per key but I don't know for sure as I have not done a key that high yet.

Mythic raid bosses drop them as well I believe

[sand pebble]

Yeah i only managrd 2 keys today, we clearing normal tonight so i wint be able to push keys for another day

Just wanted to plan lariet craft

If i cam go straight to r1 408 ilvl in a day im not going to waste high mats and big coin on a r5 405

Also will make 408 shield same way

Then sell my 405 primal from quest via personal work order

[toxic pewter]

got a granyths enduring scale trinket lol

[sand pebble]

I got mine first run

[toxic pewter]

i know its not super good but ill use it

lol

[fathom goblet]

I feel that Im not tanky as I expected

Anyone having issues with survivability ?

[vernal vale]

i felt comfy in raid unless i fucked up

[sand pebble]

Healers realising they have to heal

[fathom goblet]

On m+

[vernal vale]

i didn't get a chance to m+ i was raiding after work

[patent hull]

Elemental Lariat worth using a spark on?

[sand pebble]

I think its worth it imo, doesnt conflict with tier, can make it proc the stat you want, no other competing power neck

[patent hull]

Yeah might as well, yolo and whatknot.

[sand pebble]

Sims are out if you want to see that 0.5% gain

[glacial skiff]

is battle scarred scale or acnestral protectors stone worth using?

[wary heath]

azure vault is like insane with pugs

[azure light]

did they change count on many dungeons?

[vernal vale]

Mote team likely it will take a substantial nerf to make its value drop

[azure light]

or is mdt just wrong? im trying to setup routes but everything seems to give alot less count?

[vernal vale]

Press w chaim pull. That's the best strategy

[azure light]

noooo 😄

[vernal vale]

I mean it worked for all my 20s last expansion I'm sure it will work again

Only thing ypu have to know is % before things like CoS RP

[azure light]

sure, but if something works doesnt mean its good

[limber prism]

Those of you who have started m+ already, how does Prot feel overall? Does it feel good and reliable so far?

[indigo wharf]

do cos still have profession buffs such at legion gnome/engi can deactivate golems or dh can buff crit for group after destroing chaos orb

[fast knot]

Only dungeon i've had issues with was Temple but people had A.) no idea what actually did damage and B.) Doubts had raging and shadow slash hurts like a motherfucker

chalking that up to getting fuckin blasted by Raging 🙂

[vernal vale]

Unless your pushing great big keys no need to be fancy most of the time.

[cinder storm]

Yes, but robots do not deactivate, they get stunned on intervals

[inland mesa]

I had to go defensive stance for the 12, it hurt

and 4/8H and 6/8N felt pretty strong, even stronger once I threw on heroic shield

anyone testing infurious helm?

[modern brook]

Temple Def feels overtuned rb

[fast knot]

Like absolutely ping ponging at third boss room and on

[modern brook]

Maaaaaybe it's people not respecting trash abilities? But everything just feels like it trucks even at low key kevels

The nerzul one is free as fuck tho

[novel temple]

Is it really that bad?

[modern brook]

There's like 2 problem pulls in the whole dungeon

[tired fern]

Anyone know if some basic routes are up anywhere?

[fast knot]

Vault is one of those dungeons that if you miss a binding

you're probably getting incapped

and then the shard aoe is gonna fuckin shred your group

[modern brook]

I think all the basic routes this season are hold w

[fast knot]

Vault is going to suck though, dealing with thundering on last boss was aids

Tyrannical has been harped on enough

[modern brook]

I haven't ran vault yet but I'm not looking forward to it

[loud hull]

what flask and food for tank?

m+

[uncut notch]

Eye of the storm, and fortune cookies

EOTS is a buff to str for every enemy that hits you

Fortune cookies are flat str food

[loud hull]

yea i was thinking about buying storms too

thx man

what about pots?

[median niche]

Is eots better than glacial smth?

[uncut notch]

I’ve just been using 2* primary stat potions

[loud hull]

juicy. 365g for 1 food

[uncut notch]

Hot damn I’m gonna sling some on the ah when I get online then hahaha

[loud hull]

draenor eu

🙂

[uncut notch]

I’d check feast price, they were like 300g last time I checked

[loud hull]

just left for m+ 😦

[uncut notch]

Glacial probs better for flat dmg, but str buffs everything

[median niche]

Got it. Will get some then

[toxic pewter]

have you guys used spark yet

[mighty valley]

i made a shield

[pallid quiver]

nah i ain't crafting shit until i get one of them fancy primal thingamajjigers that get me a 400 piece

mats expensive and i'm poor as shit

[mighty valley]

you can recraft stuff

but fair

[pallid quiver]

yeah i got the one go unless it's money farming time

[warm plinth]

https://tenor.com/1rnc.gif

Luerce farming ^

[pallid quiver]

checks knees

yeah i feel that old

[warm plinth]

You look cute in your hat though

[jade pulsar]

Anyone know if this is still in the top for us?

After the nerf

[vast helm]

whats bis embellishment for prot warrior on mh?

[sick sentinel]

raiding as pwar is not that good as i thought

[wary heath]

just tried 2nd boss on +10 nokhud offensive, couldnt get him past even 40%

not even tyrannical lmao

[solar blade]

whats the matter on second boss?

[wary heath]

lot's of incoming party damage I suppose, from the storm

i didn't die, the party did

[foggy lynx]

Any difference in what type of weapon should we focus on for crafting? Sword ? Mace axe?

[sick sentinel]

if youre blacksmith go for mace

bs profession tool also scale with mace spec

[foggy lynx]

Interesting, I know wowhead said the sword I was kinda crowd sourcing to see

[compact jackal]

man, I so don't want to get a lariat

[wary heath]

i don't think it matters

[warm plinth]

don't get one then sir

[eager fractal]

worth using the defensive buff from primal ritual trinket?

[solar blade]

the weapons do have different weap. dmg on them so the axe gives the most, havent heard about bs giving + on maces but that could be

[slim dove]

all dmg is normalized to weapon dps.

[solar blade]

the dps is the same exactly

so i doesnt rly matter right?

[slim dove]

exactly

[craggy pilot]

Get wep, all the real streamers got wep it seems 🤔

[slim dove]

20ilvl bump on wep > lariat

who knew

(or more if your a grass toucher and didn't have a 385 wep from rares)

[wary heath]

did a 10 jade in time, man the damage just going out to random party members at all times is crazy

with full tank aggro

[chrome warren]

Is renown 25 the only source of a primal infusion?

[wanton shale]

any of yall not get a 382+ shield get desperate and farm the 450 conquest one? lol

[bold linden]

Afaik the items drop from m+16 onwards and mythic raids. If primal Infusion is the Item to craft items to mythic level

[slim dove]

m+, heroic/mythic raids, 1 time reward from raid quest

[woeful island]

Anyone have a good idea / resource on what is BiS?

[hollow mesa]

I know it’s very hard to say based on pulls and stuff, but is 20-30k dps in 7-10 keys normal ish? Have a guildie telling me it’s low but not sure what I’m doing wrong. I’m also a new prot player lol. Have log’s and vod if that’s easier and someone’s willing to give me a hand

[slim dove]

there is no bis list.

[craggy pilot]

aparently not a single one in this discord though, everyone screaming Lariat for 1 week 😄

[slim dove]

fury/pvp channel bleeding over into prot, rotting our brains

[craggy pilot]

everyone just wants to braindead afk the game, making 0 decisions for themself 😄

"which is bis embellish plz plz?"

me: "you can do all"
them: "but which one do you recommend? plz pick for me"

[warm plinth]

Lariat is the best embellishment which is what people normally ask about. No one ever said to make it over a wep/ shield if you don't already have one

[mighty valley]

If you’re timing keys you’re fine, it’s gonna vary so much while ilvl is volatile and people aren’t using the same consumables all the time

[tropic sundial]

Apparently rare keep scaling. Randomly got a 389 breastplate from one while doing my obsidian weeklies

[warm plinth]

If they did they were wrong

[warm plinth]

What rare was it?

[hollow mesa]

Ya that makes sense but still wanna I guess get confirmation on whether I’m making big mistakes.

[mighty valley]

Saying “20-30k” is an enormous range and like you said, dungeons and pull sizes matter so much

[tropic sundial]

killed a few so i'm not sure, probably the lava worm one (not Enkine, the other)

[warm plinth]

Is that a super rare then?

[mighty valley]

If you want a checkup on if you’re playing right, you’ll be better off logging a run you thought you did well

[tropic sundial]

Worldcarver A'tir, never scaled that high for me before but my handynotes says it's a scaling one

[warm plinth]

Thanks