protection

[heavy temple]

On sennarth, can we just leap away on her pull, or will she do some bad stuff to other people in melee range during that?

[edgy grail]

I literally got kicked in heroic dungeons for pulling too big this past week 😂

[kindred rapids]

Liariat is still a bis first embelish item for us ?

[radiant storm]

GUYS we have one hour until warrior is kill...

[edgy grail]

Because all dps died to frontals

[kindred rapids]

sorry if the question was asked 100 times

[edgy grail]

Then kicked 😂

[fathom goblet]

I play on Tarren Mill and I can tell you EU players are far more toxic, unpolite, xenophobic and cry babes

[rough elm]

Lariat was nerfed tho, do we have new numbers

[uneven bramble]

one hour until prot warrior is the worst spec in the entire game 😮

[heavy temple]

I think it is still the best (read it here somewhere), but you can consider things like a wep instead imo

[warm plinth]

the spec has to exist to be the worst

[oblique kayak]

yeah

[sleek current]

Wild. 😂

[solid granite]

you should do less of 'your nickname'

[uneven bramble]

i memeing lol warrior is fine

more than fine honestly

still op

[edgy grail]

Warrior sucks

I love weed too

[uneven bramble]

lol

[fathom goblet]

Who doesnt !

[small coral]

if a 5% nerf to IP makes it the worst tank, then it was never OP in the first place

[radiant storm]

the 5% nerf was blizzard saying "okay the community is mad, so we have to do something without actually doing anything"

[solid granite]

the last time i weed was to hours ago

[warm plinth]

we just legalized recreational weed here but I literally work for a pharmaceutical company so no weed for me 😂

[solid granite]

y'know, small bladder

[edgy grail]

They test you? Ouch

[uneven bramble]

but i will say, if they start doing more nerfs than just "remove the shadowlands buffs" ima be mad

[warm plinth]

They haven't done randoms in a long time but I'm not gonna risk it. Been there 9 years

[cinder storm]

I thought if it was legalized they can't fire you over that

[warm plinth]

They absolutely can

[edgy grail]

It’s weird when a place legalizes it but doesn’t protect it

[radiant storm]

if its a private company I think they can, yea

[warm plinth]

It's still federally illegal

[radiant storm]

i'm canadian so idgaf

[edgy grail]

Nah there are states that do have it protected

[radiant storm]

I smoked weed with my manager at my company retreat

[warm plinth]

We have to answer to the DEA and state boards of pharmacy.

[radiant storm]

lmao

[edgy grail]

But in florida you can get fired for even medical marijuana

[cinder storm]

Florida, heh

[radiant storm]

and we're a NYSE listed company

[solid granite]

have to do a complete blood count every 3 months, not gonna do any drug and risk shit. Although, havent done anythin for decades now :p

[warm plinth]

yeah we're uh...forbes top 10 😂

[outer thorn]

wdym I always require negative drug test to join my m+ keys

[dusk loom]

Does prot just pump damage or are people generally just crap on dps?

[radiant storm]

pog, pfizer or something fo sho

[solid granite]

bothum

[cinder storm]

Both

[radiant storm]

yes

[fathom goblet]

Its 4 hours of maintenance today right ?

[warm plinth]

Close, but distribution, not manufacturing

[small coral]

wait, so they only nerfed the % to IP, and not the total absorb?

LMAO

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[radiant storm]

DONT GIVE THEM IDEAS

[edgy grail]

I work in research

[small coral]

oh shit

nvm, warrior sux

[uneven bramble]

its literally just a revert from shadowlands

IP has had 50% for like 60 years

[warm plinth]

The sky is falling

wearrior ded

warrior*

[cinder storm]

Anyways, I started revengin

[solid granite]

worrior*

[radiant storm]

if we all coordinate a time to go to reddit and complain maybe we get buffs

[sleek current]

90% IP coming back? 🤡

[warm plinth]

kek

[sturdy sable]

Uncapped ignore pain you mean

[cinder storm]

We need naowh to tweet something

Not that we need it need it

[sleek current]

Let's have it.

[uneven bramble]

90% IP makes more sense lore wise is all im saying. you're telling me i'm only ignoring half of my pain?

[dusk loom]

I swear naowh doesn’t even like war

[sturdy sable]

I mean if ppl think 5% of demo shout and ignore Paine are huge nerfs. I dunno what to tell them

[fathom goblet]

He was playing vdh yesturday

[dusk loom]

If he tweeted I don’t think it would be good hahah

[edgy grail]

Naowh is bdk cheerleader

[dusk loom]

And pally

[cinder storm]

Dorki doesn't likes war too, he always avoids talking about it

[solid granite]

dorki is a secret prot pally

[dusk loom]

But vdh is actually fun bdk and pally are boring as hell imo

[half rampart]

3

[edgy grail]

Dorki likes bear so his opinion is irrelevant 😂

[dusk loom]

True actually have never heard dorki talk war

[radiant storm]

pally feels so weightless, like you're not actually doing anything except consecrate

[fathom goblet]

Dorki is bdk

[cinder storm]

He's more of a bdk main bear enjoyer

[dusk loom]

Yeah but like bear is probably the most bland tank in the game no?

[fathom goblet]

He likes bear because its chill

And it is

[mellow quartz]

I will put money on it not being 4h as advertised

[cinder storm]

Bear healed my wrist pain, nokappa

[warm plinth]

You're right, it'll be longer kekw

[uneven bramble]

i'm dumb, i just realized different quality enchants ACTUALLY DOES increase the effectiveness and its just a visual bug...... shit

[warm plinth]

rekt 😢

[mellow quartz]

last raid release they had to postpone maintenance by like 4 hours

[fathom goblet]

They had two weeks of nothing

To get ready for today

[inland raft]

Has first patch wver gone smoothly?

[solid granite]

you could play the scuffed poe league lol

[uneven bramble]

CRASH CITY

[mellow quartz]

what causes delays is they roll it to the live servers but then have their internal testing team actually playing through the raid. If they encounter bugs etc then delays can happen.

[fathom goblet]

Anyone has good routes for today ?

[slim dove]

yeah, hold W

[mellow quartz]

search for messages by @patent osprey and he posted some a few hours ago

[inland raft]

And be prepared for emergency maintenance for fixes later in week since they didnt publicly test last boss

[solid granite]

yeah, not playing that fustercluck of a league myself. GGG dropped the ball.. again

[mellow quartz]

similar to every raid ever, usually only WF raiders see most of them

[uneven bramble]

yeahhhhhhhh, a common theme is happening 😦

[solid granite]

it do. Chris Wilson is seriously toxic for his own game

[uneven bramble]

true tho

[radiant storm]

internal team is the true world first winner

[cinder storm]

Between m+ release today and CPI cooling down, today is a good day

[blazing condor]

blizzard has a true rwf team that clear wf mythic with no issues

before launch

pog

[slim dove]

im sure they /godmode just to see all mechanics.

[cinder storm]

I still wonder at what level they test m+, then they are like "yep, this is good, ship it and send it"

My bet is 12s

[slim dove]

I imagine they stop at 10 just to see all affixes

[solid granite]

Isn't one of their high-up-figures a pretty decent m+ runner?

[slim dove]

nobody cares at blizz if some wacky shit happens at +15 cuz of a numerical error

[cinder storm]

Yeah, the fury warrior, forgot his name tho

[solid granite]

love your mr. bubbles avatar btw @cinder storm

[dusk loom]

Holinka

Has a rogue too

And does like 20-23s with the community

[minor helm]

Do you mean Qwik?

[dusk loom]

There is another guy who does keys similar level I believe too

[cinder storm]

[cinder storm]

Yeah

[dusk loom]

Qwik is Ybarra the co leader of the game?

[solid granite]

Mike Ybarra, that's the guy

[noble lynx]

Once i remember checking the QA test runs on rio and they were doing 15s

When the servers are down for us plebs those runs still register

[solid granite]

well, he's literally 'ahead of the curve' :p

[dusk loom]

He was ce for CN and sanctum

[solid granite]

'dis my server nao'

[patent osprey]

DF Season 1 Routes : https://pastebin.com/e5U5UcEF

[heavy temple]

Does IP count as mitigation for thunderous blast on raszageth?

[weak snow]

why wouldn't it?

[cinder storm]

Goat

[minor helm]

[solid granite]

the cutes mouse delivers!

[patent osprey]

[solid granite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/557365626788904969.gif?v=1

[patent osprey]

Ill be prot warrior on server start up if you want to ask questions or see the routes too ^.^

[mellow quartz]

he said 'good' though

[heavy temple]

Nvm, I was hung up on the word mitigate

[cinder storm]

Pika, any hard pulls that are worth mentioning?

[heavy temple]

But thunderous energy clearly states, you explode for your dmg taken, so IP should reduce it

[craggy pilot]

what are people doing here in the last day before M+?

[solid granite]

rn?

[junior hemlock]

What ilevel should i start looking at enchants?

[upbeat salmon]

From the getgo depending on enchant cost

[noble lynx]

Last mechanic we had similar was muezalah slam and absorbs didnt count towards it cause you still took the dmg

[solid granite]

shitposting in #protection and doing my nails. Later gonna take a bath & eat. In the bath

[noble lynx]

IP doesnt reduce the dmg it absorbs it

[mellow quartz]

the lowest your wallet can afford

[craggy pilot]

huge vibe lol

[upbeat salmon]

90k to enchant a 376 weapon might not be worth it

[limpid anchor]

I assume you gonna do m+ asap?

[upbeat salmon]

but anything under 1k i'd go nuts

[uneven mason]

IP counts as mitigation for everything

[uneven mason]

It's Plka

[bold turret]

Just don't R3 it?

[craggy pilot]

whenever you feel youre pushing your limit and it can benefit you, just get Rank 2 enchants though as Rank 3 prices are gonna be high for a while

[craggy pilot]

Rank1 weapon enchant is still like 10k+

[mellow quartz]

even rank 1 weapon stuff is like 20k in NA

[edgy grail]

Cool see you in 8 hours 🫠

[upbeat salmon]

you can get the sub-optimal enchant for cheaper though

[junior hemlock]

But what ilevel do i start looking? 250? 300?

[upbeat salmon]

still better than nothing

[solid granite]

R1 blue weapon enchant is like 15k, R1 epic enchant is 100k

[upbeat salmon]

again, depends on your wallet and market price

[craggy pilot]

my EU server

[noble lynx]

Definately not those

[edgy grail]

R3 enchants are like a 11% dps gain for me

[noble lynx]

M0 gear is 372

[edgy grail]

So kinda big

[severe steeple]

enchants are sevrer AH?

[uneven mason]

Enchants are not going to make or break you, but like, you do them when you feel you're approaching your limits, and feel you might need a little boost?

[upbeat salmon]

or they are cheap

[uneven mason]

Or they are cheap

[craggy pilot]

whenever you start pushing your limit in keys, i doubt youre pushing keys with 300 ilvl

[uneven mason]

I don't think its possible to finish leveling at 300ilvl?

[upbeat salmon]

it is

ish

[uneven mason]

I guess it is, my DH is 68 with 212

[solid granite]

currently running a 392 weapon and im not enchanting it with anything above 2*

[uneven mason]

Because I haven't played it since BFA

[craggy pilot]

my 64 shaman has better gear than that 😄

im getting 280 loot in 64 from dungeons lol

i believe towards end of questing you get like 300+ ilvl from Quests

[uneven mason]

yeah, I was wearing Mythic Nyolotha gear

[dusk loom]

Man you can just dungeon haha

[uneven mason]

120ish

[junior hemlock]

So dont enchant anything below 372?

[uneven mason]

U do u

[patent osprey]

Ive noted on the routes anything worth mentioning. Not really pulling that big anywhere but jade temple has quite a bit of magic damage u have to be careful when raging. It will 1 tap u in raging so make sure to use SR on their abilites which are all reflectable for big dam

[craggy pilot]

depends how rich you are

[patent osprey]

Yeah m+ push right away with trellsky ^.^

[warm plinth]

I'll SR all your abilities

gottem

[craggy pilot]

you going big omega pulls in low keys to +2/3 the keys, or just going nice and easy 1 pack at a time since stuff is new?

and do you have premade team?

[uneven mason]

Can't wait to see 5 bear teams at the top of M+

[heavy temple]

1

[heavy temple]

2

the duality of men

😄

[solid granite]

@patent osprey you think there's a "sweet spot" for farming gear early on? Was pretty unlucky with World Drops

[spice orbit]

Just wanted to say hi. Been playing bear since Vanilla and now I'm here. I DID keybind all my defensives so I might be the best player here so far. We'll see.

[solid granite]

Keylevel wise

[strong forum]

Prolly like 12s

12-15s

[cinder storm]

Thanks man, looking forward for your streams, only to lurk

[mellow quartz]

btw, this is pretty easy in hov and saves 1 pull

[warm plinth]

If you're just farming end of dungeon gear, +10s are probably fast and relatively easy

No point going higher than that unless you're doing 14s as 10-13 all drop the same shit

[spice orbit]

10 to 13 is the same so... that or 14

[solid granite]

11+'s drop the upgrade material for crafted gear, right?

[warm plinth]

+11-15, yeah

for infusions

[solid granite]

guess that'll be my goal tmrw

[patent osprey]

Since they upped m+ rewards to 20, its basically farm as high as u can while still close to 2 chesting or near an ilvl breakpoint like lvl 17s

[patent osprey]

Nice ill give it a shot. Just with the hew boys on high for wanted to reduce amount of movement when fighting aspirant. So 4 hew boys means alot more movement and people missing kicks on the one guy while dodging frontals

[solid granite]

Reasonable. I mean, i will probably not see/do anything above +15 for a while, cuz i'm shit. But i keep the +17's in mind 😄

[mellow quartz]

on high enough fort you might have to dwarf or cc/kite for the debuffs to drop if mobs live long enough

1 reset should be more than enough even at the highest level and 0 resets for anything below

[stark jewel]

I just simmed for gems and weapon enchant, sims are telling me to go for mast/vers gems, what do you guys think about this? I selected haste/vers, mast/vers and crit/vers gems

[patent osprey]

U can just backstep their hews on cast. No need to kite

[strong forum]

What kind of situation, revan

[patent osprey]

Just perma never get stacks 🙂

[stark jewel]

I'm simming raid build, wanna maximize my st output

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/81zSduUtqYLwx5ciTE4rmy

[strong forum]

Crit haste then

[stark jewel]

here's the sim

[mellow quartz]

even easier

[stark jewel]

alright ty

[heavy temple]

ITF for raid? Is that intentional or an oversight?

[strong forum]

Intentional

[stark jewel]

intentional

[noble lynx]

IP is an absorb not a dr, but we will see

[strong forum]

In raid you're far more likely to have 100% uptime on 5 stacks

[stark jewel]

yeah the value is high for itf in raid as far as I understand

[upbeat salmon]

thunderlord for ST ?

[strong forum]

No

[uneven mason]

Yeah it shows up as healing, not really sure, but stuff that is flagged to ignore immunities might also ignore IP?

[upbeat salmon]

blood and thunder, not thunderlord

[uneven mason]

It shouldn't though.

[stark jewel]

also, there is no option to sim it that I see, but frozen devotion is better than sophic devotion for st right

[heavy temple]

Ok, intersting, I've seen most raid stuff with HR, is that an oversight, or just to make sure people dont lose SB uptime?

[noble lynx]

Just last time we had a similar mechanic was muehzalah slam and the absorb dmg was still counted as dmg taken, thats it

[heavy temple]

with ITF being the higher damage option?

[strong forum]

Enable "all enchantments and gems"

[stark jewel]

oh got it ty!

[strong forum]

HR is the safe play defensively, ITF is ~7% more dmg than HR

[heavy temple]

Okay TYVM, what haste level do you need for 100% SB uptime with ITF?

[open gazelle]

Idk about y’all but I’m liking the strength flask increased per target in combat with one

[strong forum]

Like 60%

[heavy temple]

Ok lol

😄

so you rely on taunt swaps

[strong forum]

Yes

[cursive burrow]

Only took me 30 discoveries to get it last night. Hopeful to play with it tonight.

[strong forum]

Eye of the storm is solid for m+, especially defensively

Glacial fury is likely more dmg on average

[stark jewel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tw52GtuH1yaQFvNbZWZQZr
frozen devotion is better than sophic devotion, sims really want me to get more mast tho

selected more gems, told me mast/crit gems

I guess my mast is pretty low atm

[strong forum]

Then I guess you do that

[open gazelle]

I like crit haste instead of vers

[strong forum]

I'm confident that my apl is pretty good

So if sim says it, it must be true

[hexed obsidian]

dont we want haste vers?

[warm plinth]

I'm confident that you're confident

[stark jewel]

I believe it

I think I only have 500ish mast atm

so im not too surprised

[open gazelle]

Vers seems Garbo especially for a spec that doesn’t take dam

[upbeat salmon]

but you dish out more dam

[uneven mason]

IDK why people treat vers as this black and white stat

[open gazelle]

Crit dishes out more dam?

[upbeat salmon]

with vers

[whole tulip]

For more damage go haste crit

[sick sentinel]

does versa affect leech healing i wonder

[uneven mason]

in a way

it increases our damage

so yes

[hexed obsidian]

i like being senator armstrong

[strong forum]

Yes

[hexed obsidian]

so vers all the way

[strong forum]

Vers double dips with leech

[sick sentinel]

see yeah, i like versa then

[upbeat salmon]

if you have 1% vers, you take 0.5% less damage and you deal 1% extra damage (corrected)

[strong forum]

Wha

Other way around

[edgy grail]

Backwards

Lol

[stark jewel]

other way

[upbeat salmon]

is it ?

[fathom goblet]

Its the opposite

[strong forum]

Yes.

[edgy grail]

Nah we are all just lying

[strong forum]

What EV said

[upbeat salmon]

i'm not doubting you guys

[patent osprey]

Verse > haste

Smile

[strong forum]

[upbeat salmon]

i fixed it

[sick sentinel]

40% versa "you don't have enough versa to join my key"

[strong forum]

Said the guy who wanted to pick 2 points for parry chance

[cinder storm]

If you look the gif without blinking, the cat seems to dodge every hit

[upbeat salmon]

even if you blink tbh

[patent osprey]

??? If there were more bleeds probably still be good

But i guess in 5 tank keys probably not needed

[cinder storm]

Thematically, warriors should have bloodlust

[strong forum]

1 point, sure but 2?

That's like saying bloodborne is good

[upbeat salmon]

i just want titan's grip and shield

[strong forum]

I'd like it for the tmog options

[hexed obsidian]

i need to farm helm tmogs for my cow warrior

[craggy pilot]

when does season start in US?

1 hr from now?

[hexed obsidian]

2 ?

[floral river]

4

[craggy pilot]

ah ouch

[toxic pewter]

1pm central

[fast knot]

Have to get my weeklies done before my guild ragdolls me through keys

[copper basin]

More debuffs for the warrior but nothing for rouges or then lizards

[patent osprey]

Hows that unnerving focus talent you kept wanting treating ya :p

[fast knot]

Hope for no extensions

[strong forum]

Love unnerving but opportunity cost is a bitch 😦

[toxic pewter]

What second spark you guys doing

[strong forum]

Also im way too greedy for damgur

[toxic pewter]

Is it neck all around lol

[strong forum]

Prolly neck ye

Since you can slap 3 sockets on it insta aswell

[fast knot]

Neck even with nerfs, wrathion neck can get fucked

[strong forum]

Huge value

[toxic pewter]

Is that belt any good if all I do is m+

[strong forum]

Same

[uneven bramble]

is that considered an end game item? cause i wasnt able to craft 3 sockets on my neck. tried 600 times with all 3 different items

[edgy grail]

I like neck and ring since you need to loot 2 good rings to replace it and also works for ither specs

Otherwise shield is prob better if you only prot

[strong forum]

All spark items are endgame items

[uneven bramble]

do you know what else is? or is it just spark items?

its so vague

[strong forum]

It should be all epics

That come from raid and m+

And pvp

[uneven bramble]

that would make sense, hope it does work that way lol

[strong forum]

By endgame they prolly just meant season items

And the neck is probably an oversight

[toxic pewter]

Whoever gets neck design first goNNA make some 💰

[strong forum]

Absolutely

Literally millions

[warm plinth]

all 3 different items meaning what

[strong forum]

@patent osprey you gna stream ASAP ye?

[uneven bramble]

@warm plinth just 3 different qualities of the item, i bought all 3 cause it wasnt working

[warm plinth]

Oh, the tiered setting or whatever?

[uneven bramble]

yeah

[toxic pewter]

Yah the socket item thing doesn’t work on wrathion neck

[oblique garnet]

Doesnt the socket item have to be 3 star aswell?

[warm plinth]

RIP, yeah sounds like an oversight to me

Or it might just have to be a current season necklace, which rep vendor shit might not count for

[marble cipher]

neck still go-to second spark craft? even after the nerf (don't even think numbers are crunched tbf or have they?)

[mortal brook]

A 1 star can add the first socket

[strong forum]

Tiered setting works as follows
1 star = 1 socket
2 star = 2 socket
3 star = 3 sockets

[mortal brook]

A 2 star setting can add a 1st or 2nd socket

Etc

[toxic pewter]

Doesn’t lariat have a built in socket also

4 sockets that’s wild

[mortal brook]

No

[toxic pewter]

O

[strong forum]

3 max

[mortal brook]

Up to 3

[warm plinth]

wait so you have to use 3 settings to get 3 sockets? Or does the rank 3 setting give you all 3?

[strong forum]

1x 3

[earnest nymph]

3 settings

[toxic pewter]

Oh I’m thinking of a ring

[fathom goblet]

@mortal brook sup

[toxic pewter]

I think

[mortal brook]

Nasch

[fathom goblet]

Long time bro

[strong forum]

Can do 1x 1
1x 2
1x 3 I guess

[warm plinth]

That's kinda awkward lol

[toxic pewter]

What gems you guys gonna put in it

[floral river]

int

[toxic pewter]

Epic gem

[strong forum]

1x primary + haste/crit
2x haste + crit (or whatever you sim)

[wet jungle]

Hello noob here, can anyone tell me is there any reason not to macro shield block to say shield slam? You want it up practically at all times right?

[earnest nymph]

I just used whatever was cheaper to get the first two sockets, the rank 2 settings happened to be cheaper at the time. Then rank 3 for third obv

[strong forum]

You don't want to blindly send SB at all times no

Sometimes you wanna sit on an SB charge

Especially during execute

Or when you're not tanking in raid

Emphasis on sometimes

[round hound]

Proper shield charge usage just: use it on CD?

[strong forum]

Yes

[round hound]

Cool ty

[uneven mason]

Stack with avatar if you can

[strong forum]

Cooldowns on cooldown

[wet jungle]

okok fair enough, makes sense, thanks both

[strong forum]

Dps lesson number 1

[uneven mason]

UNless there is a situation where a singletarget stun comes in handy

and you can plan for it

[willow oracle]

How do I get an MDT route on second monitor? Is there a browser version or something or do I just have to take screenshots

[strong forum]

There are scuffed Browser versions

[warm plinth]

Yeah like uh

keystone.guru

[strong forum]

Most people have a macro ingame

To quickly check

[fathom goblet]

Wait

[strong forum]

Or be like me

Make someone else do iy

[oblique garnet]

Hold W

[fathom goblet]

Its possible to have mdt on a second monitor ?

[strong forum]

And hold W

[marble cipher]

I screenshot it and put it in discord on other screen

[strong forum]

No

You can't open mdt outside of game

[willow oracle]

Lmfao

[edgy grail]

Yes it is, have your game on 2 monitors and split your toon down the middle

[strong forum]

Lol

[mellow quartz]

what happened to MDT having a short cut key in the keybindings btw? had that in SL and seems gone in DF

[minor helm]

Run 2 wows one just for mdt

[severe steeple]

i was looking at the crafted belt for a sec but then imagined slowing mobs while trying to kite them out of sanguine

[strong forum]

Just put a macro on that keybind

/mdt

[edgy grail]

There is a WA that helps guide you

And tells you what mobs from MDT

[willow oracle]

Oh what’s that called

[edgy grail]

Puts like an arrow or whatever

[marble cipher]

and many (not all obv) are "press W"

at least for now

[edgy grail]

https://wago.io/YHyGaF4G-

[fathom goblet]

Holy fuck

[cinder storm]

Let's be real, even on 15s-20s you can press w and still time it, eventually at least

[fathom goblet]

@cinder storm depends on your ilvl

Its all about relative power

[uneven mason]

As long as your DPS are up to snuff and you're not eating stupid deaths yes.

[cinder storm]

Hence, the eventually at least

[edgy grail]

Yea press W on a 20 with 380 ilvl

I wanna see it

[upbeat pine]

What addon do you use to follow threat? Omen is not up to date and does not work with df

[strong forum]

Watch me

[uneven mason]

I heard Plka will be streaming, so....

Hey guys

[mellow quartz]

use a nameplate addon that changes when you are abt to lose or lost threat

[uneven mason]

Try and scuff a bit ok Nom, they've already nerfed us 3x

[edgy grail]

Ya’ll are acting like you’ve never done the dungeons 😂

[fathom goblet]

Dorki was breaking keys at 392 on a key 17-18

[warm plinth]

I haven't used a threat meter in like 10 years tbh

[dusky canopy]

Minor nerfs

[upbeat pine]

I have Plater Nameplates

[dusky canopy]

We still strong

Ape strong

[edgy grail]

Plater is what you should use

[warm plinth]

I use plater which turns colors if they're pulling/have pulled aggro, but that's about it

[mellow quartz]

should show you different colors for mobs you have threat on vs mobs you do not have threat on

[edgy grail]

Dorki has a good profile

[oblique garnet]

I stg if we get this beta key bs again some heads will roll

[uneven mason]

They're gonna see your ass truckin 25s and be like "Shields now have 1 duability"

[strong forum]

Hm weird, naowh and his team did up to 22

🙂

With full affixes

When all of echo pushed keys for practice

[cinder storm]

Zaelia is just built different

[mellow quartz]

you don't have tier and bis items sockets and enchants etc on live? pleb

[fathom goblet]

Yeah great pusher winners

[severe steeple]

yes but does it count when its echo tho?

[strong forum]

Yeah so?

[fathom goblet]

Its easy

[strong forum]

Right cuz nobody else can do keys besides em, right

[dusky canopy]

Holding W all the way through 16s at least

[strong forum]

I'm not saying it's easy

[fathom goblet]

Can someone link me the ilvl per m+ lvl ?

[autumn urchin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/800567102309793812/1051217738263175360/image.png

[fringe pewter]

Witch wep ench is best for M+ ?

[distant kestrel]

Elemental Lariat (Haste-Vers) embelishment best for prot also?

[cobalt seal]

[cobalt seal]

[uneven mason]

It's so irritating that they cap M+ gear so far below raid gear

[fathom goblet]

????

[severe steeple]

literally 3ilvl

[weak snow]

its literally 3 ilvl diff.

[uneven mason]

One item per week

Thats your chest loot

One item

"Maybe" good

[severe steeple]

and how many do you get while progressing mythic

[cinder storm]

It's repeatable content, as long as they don't add stupid systems that should only work inside raid I'm fine, plus those stupid 2nd life trinkets

[uneven mason]

I mean for keys

[glacial sky]

you want unlimited end of dungeon gear to be as good as mythic raid drops lol?

[cobalt seal]

yes

[upper tinsel]

Does anyone have a list of the spells and attacks that can be reflected both in raids and m+ ?

[uneven mason]

Not even looking at mythic

[cobalt seal]

now go prog as a tank

[slim dove]

how long for full mythic from raid you think?

hm?

[uneven mason]

Looking at heroic

[slim dove]

progging as a tank?

[cobalt seal]

and tell me if you get more than 1

[uneven mason]

20s should give at least high heroic gear

[mellow quartz]

still better than last expansion since you get valor upgrade to 415 (low mythic raid gear) now

[slim dove]

in pins

[uneven mason]

True

[mellow quartz]

they literally added another valor step

[severe steeple]

then heroic is dead content in a month

[uneven mason]

Isn't it anyway?

[craggy pilot]

what does this do? 🤔

[upper tinsel]

@slim dove ty ! i didnt scroll enough haha

[slim dove]

all g nobody does

[severe steeple]

no? even if cleared lots of ppl run heroic on their alts and keep it alive

[dusk loom]

Idk aren’t like 15s the old 20s and 12s are 15s?

[dusk loom]

Like how many heroic raiders were doing 20+ keys last xpac

[severe steeple]

if you could get full heroic ilvl from spammin M+ no one would do HC raid

[severe knot]

me

[autumn urchin]

well the bar for season 4 was pretty low

[dusk loom]

I think I would be fine with 20s which are equivalent to low 20s keys giving high heroic gear haha

[uneven mason]

IDK the loot situation in SL 9.0 was such absolute shit that my entire guild got burned out grinding the vault to vendor the item they got

[fathom goblet]

There was no bar on S4

[uneven mason]

That's all I was saying

[autumn urchin]

true

[dusk loom]

Like this discord by way of we are talking about wow in our spare time is prob not representative hahahaha

[fathom goblet]

It was playing tennis without a net

[patent osprey]

Yeah unless servers come up super early. Leaving work half day to key 😄

[dusk loom]

I am not saying mythic raid gear

[cinder storm]

26s should drop mythic level gear

[craggy pilot]

WARR STREAM LETS GO

cant wait ❤️

[blazing condor]

inb4 8 months of brew

[fathom goblet]

3 hours to go

[dusk loom]

26s are like 30s from last xpac?

[strong forum]

Pmuch

[craggy pilot]

why do people always say keys get harder every xpac? isnt it just cus of gear reset? with more gear it will be same same?

[strong forum]

Key scaling changes this time

[blazing condor]

i mean yea

[autumn urchin]

they changed scaling

[strong forum]

From 8 to 10%

[dusk loom]

They changed it hahah

[strong forum]

Keys are 25% harder than before

[fathom goblet]

S1 is always the hardest

[craggy pilot]

so even with full gear, a 20 now is harder than 20 in old seasons?

[strong forum]

Or well, scale harder

[dusk loom]

Like 12s are scaled to be 15s this time

[uneven mason]

Because they literally changed the scaling

[mellow quartz]

they also get harder or easier depending on what the base dungeon difficulty is set at vs your power level

[severe steeple]

pls no SL S1 never again

[dusk loom]

Yeah like a 15 is a 20 from last xpac

[blazing condor]

i didnt mind sl s1

[dusk loom]

In terms of scaling

[warm plinth]

With comparable gear, a 20 now will be harder than a 20 in Shadowlands.

[strong forum]

Talent tree makes up for the increased scaling, but 20s will be like 22.5s ish

[craggy pilot]

ah didnt know, but people were saying the exact same when we went from S2 => S3 and S3 => S4 in SL

[cinder storm]

Halls of atonement season 1

[blazing condor]

bolt

[strong forum]

Because they increase the base scaling of keys, it's just a comparison nielsen

[uneven mason]

They also like to fuck with k values

[mellow quartz]

whoever said that probably referenced K values

[fathom goblet]

HOA season 1 was wtf

[dusk loom]

They will still do that

[craggy pilot]

yea ok, will feel it when i get there i guess

[warm plinth]

Generally, we gain either base mythic difficulty increases, or they give higher scaling per level, sometimes both. We also get updated k values which make tanks feel weaker.

[dusk loom]

But the entry scaling is different

[strong forum]

They always buff M0s by 30% from season to season

[cinder storm]

Fuck, that got me on my sides 🤣

[strong forum]

That translates to m+ aswell

[fathom goblet]

Really ?

m0 has never been so easy

[mellow quartz]

m+ keys is a % scaling off m0

[warm plinth]

Well the % gain you get from your key levels is based on M0

[mellow quartz]

if you dont change m0s you will do +100s

[craggy pilot]

oh well, time to look at consumables

[digital delta]

so what does a 20 feel like compared to SL

[strong forum]

22.5

[craggy pilot]

how many of each enchant / gem etc to people keep in their bags for new gear drops? if any?

[strong forum]

% wise

Iirc

[digital delta]

23 basically

okay

[radiant storm]

servers are down ? they are nerfing warrior ???? what should i play instead ?

[mellow quartz]

making the assumption that m0 in SL is same difficulty of DF m0

[limpid anchor]

4 for most stuff, but only gonna really use it for high items

[craggy pilot]

warrior

[digital delta]

gonna be fun to do our weeklies

[radiant storm]

warrior got HEAVY nerf ..

[cinder storm]

Think you can do a 20 this week nome?

[strong forum]

Literally just meant % modifier wise

[autumn urchin]

make another prot warrior to replace your nerfed warrior

[limpid anchor]

Go play dh

[craggy pilot]

🤔

[strong forum]

You obv can't compare the 2

Pwar deadge

Play brew

[radiant storm]

i would rather a class that wears plate and has a charge

any ideas ?

[inland raft]

go play BRM I heard they are doing great

[blazing condor]

paladin with kodo

[craggy pilot]

i think hunter tank

[mellow quartz]

should hype up ppal to get them nerfed

[radiant storm]

thank you i will try this

[blazing condor]

or actually brewmaster has charge

they just meet in the middle

but they dont wear plate

[uneven mason]

https://tenor.com/view/dumpster-fire-trash-rolling-garbage-hot-gif-17435185
ROLL BISH ROLL

[oak echo]

Play dk and make enemies charge to you

[radiant storm]

thats what im saying we just all go complain on reddit at the same time

[sick sentinel]

yup pwar dead guys

everyone delete your toons

we useless now

[craggy pilot]

whats the thing with BRM? are they completely in shambles? 😄 or just for M+?

[strong forum]

It's people overexaggerating

Like usual

[craggy pilot]

WHAT? when has that ever happened

[oak echo]

They're fine if you know how to play brm

[strong forum]

It's fine for 99% of content

[jovial birch]

@radiant storm idk if you are being sarcastic they didn’t really get nerfed much worse then any other tank and our mitigation was already better to begin with. We will still be in top.

[uneven mason]

They take more than 5 braincells to play for once

[craggy pilot]

[lusty tiger]

Noticeably more punishing

[toxic pewter]

what you guys doing after servers come up

[fathom goblet]

M+

[strong forum]

Wait for tomorrow

[sharp bone]

wait till tomorrow for eu servers

[uneven mason]

a m0 to generate a key

[sick sentinel]

i dont know what exactly they are doing out side apartment building but fuck load of semi trucks and a back hoe and they got a giant hole in the road at the back lol

[radiant storm]

lmao im being sarcastic, its all good

[toxic pewter]

what you doin afer servers come up tomorrow

[sick sentinel]

internet probably gunna cut out on me today

[strong forum]

Go to work

[toxic pewter]

fuk

[strong forum]

😎

[warm plinth]

hey same

[jovial birch]

Ha that’s what I figured but just checking making sure we aren’t moaning to loudly here.

[toxic pewter]

i know no one prob knows but liek the lariat design you think its a rare drop

like should it be found pretty quick

or wat

[strong forum]

Lariat starts dropping tomorrow

[uneven mason]

I might PUG a normal raid

[toxic pewter]

someone will find it surely

i guess

[jovial birch]

There is over 100k in tippe for crafting lariat on my server right now.

[dusk loom]

They do tank a fair amount when they fire their stray arrows

[uneven mason]

just to get through it

[digital delta]

cant you get a key from the vault guy like last exp?

[strong forum]

From elemental storm event

[toxic pewter]

same

is it a guaranteed drop or like a rare drop kind of thing

[uneven mason]

O

I didn't know that was a thing

wheres the vault?

[jovial birch]

Rare drop from primal storms

[uneven mason]

Wheres the bank

[cinder storm]

Next to the keystone npc

[uneven mason]

I stand in one spot and queue for dungeons

[sharp bone]

legendary recipie vibes

[toxic pewter]

I want that gun schematic from raid

so i can make huntar ol smoky

[uneven mason]

Oh wait its Tuesday my classic guild thinks I'm doing Naxx

[toxic pewter]

wat

[lusty tiger]

[toxic pewter]

on season 1 launch day

u kiddin me

[uneven mason]

Right

They're like "Why haven't yo usigned up yet"

[severe steeple]

classic guilds are so delusional

[lusty tiger]

Because classic is poop

[toxic pewter]

I didnt realize people still played classic

not even trolling

[lusty tiger]

It is so much worse than df

[uneven mason]

I did wotlk because DF wasn't out yet

[slim dove]

all 3 of my dps are ditching tonight to go do naxx

actually raging irl about it

[toxic pewter]

lol

f that

[slim dove]

gonna hop into lfg and pug 20s

do it out of spite.

[past lark]

I legit quit classic last night

[toxic pewter]

DF is too much fun to not play at the moment at least

[past lark]

No way im doing naxx with DF being this good

[toxic pewter]

Yeah exactly

DF is a work of art

[past lark]

Tbh my one big compliment is that they learned from classic

Permanently done grinds feel good

[cinder storm]

And they took good stuff from GW2 and FF and added it while working on balancing most classes and adding new things

[past lark]

Profession items mattering feels good

And is good for the economy

[toxic pewter]

the ability to upgrade stuff is nice

[cinder storm]

Now it makes sense why it felt they disregarded us in shadowlands s3-4, they were working on making DF great, hope they never have to do that again

[past lark]

The fact that as of this morning i’ll be done with two slots of gear because i worked my ass off to max skill, knowledge, and got a primal infusion feels amazing

[toxic pewter]

dang

i need primal infusion

😢

[past lark]

Maruuk baby

[toxic pewter]

yes

[past lark]

This week i did all the grinds i would hate to have to do this week

[uneven mason]

My mind boggles that people are not fully capped on gear at this point

[past lark]

Im classic?

In*

[uneven mason]

Ya

[past lark]

They’re for sure just going so they hold onto their spot for ulduar

[inland raft]

i mean thats pretty standard though, i didnt miss a single lockout of mc in classic vanilla and never got second binding

[uneven mason]

Token Demonology Warlock here, feeling pretty secure

[slim dove]

its alts and shit + holding spot for uldaur

[past lark]

I am a fury warrior main since vanilla

[slim dove]

which THEY SWEAR is going to be hard

[past lark]

Feelsbad to be useless AND wanting to play DF

[toxic pewter]

I saw they buffed fury warr

[uneven mason]

There was 3 people who wanted to play DPS warriors, after they denied me the tank spot, so they had us roll, I lost.

[past lark]

Also the flexibility of being able to pug whatever content i want whenever i want in retail is so nice

They buffed fury warr?

[toxic pewter]

yah like 1% or somethin i thought i saw

[marble cipher]

1% dmg pog 😄

[toxic pewter]

u guys gonna own

[past lark]

Oh im talking about classic lol

[toxic pewter]

oh...

my bad

[uneven mason]

Ulduar ilvl bump going to see Fury shitting on the meters due to the amount of ArP that you can pickup.

[past lark]

Not playing fury yet this patch

[past lark]

I know and i was pretty much guaranteed shadowmourne if i stayed

Ulduar wasn’t going to be when we get a lot of arp though

It was ToGC, and im sure as shit not waiting that long to start having fun playing my class

We did PTR Ulduar last night and i quit right after now that i’ve seen what i wanted to see. I’ll go back to do 10 mans eventually, but that’s probably it for me for classic

DF too stronk

Honestly my only complaint is how does it still take 3 hours to patch shit when it’s already in the game and you just have to open it for us lol

[craggy pilot]

just about to buy some rank 1 phials yay 😄 love this economy

[coarse flower]

[sick sentinel]

i do like how it gives a cheaper option to flask and potioning and whatever

spend, 60gold instead of , 110

[slim dove]

First world boss is Basrikron for those curious

[coarse flower]

More like spend 300g instead of 2000g on my server

[slim dove]

neck and chest for us.

neck is itemized like garbo and chest is "ok"

[strong forum]

Same

[coarse flower]

Servers up?

[craggy pilot]

tank phials seemingly cheap though

[slim dove]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/world-bosses-coming-in-dragonflight-season-1-330448

[craggy pilot]

compared to the Elemental Chaos ones

[slim dove]

nah just wowhead bot pinging me

[coarse flower]

O

[mint dove]

what are the best embellishments for us, is it still lariat + belt after the nerf to lariat?

[coarse flower]

might just be my favourite button next week, I’m scared af

[sick sentinel]

i need cloak, wrists, boots and finger

those slots are all blues

[craggy pilot]

they are all between 0.8%-1.2% dps increase, so it doesnt matter too much

[forest marten]

How do we feel post nerf, do we still feel tanky? I haven’t had to use defensive stance and ignore pain in weeks so how do we feel having to actually tank and use defensive ability

[craggy pilot]

craft whatever is easiest for you, or whatever is more fun

[slim dove]

we're fine.

[craggy pilot]

tier list of embellishment is cringe ngl

[forest marten]

I had a feeling we would be honestly

[craggy pilot]

better off deleting ur char tbh, were dog now

[slim dove]

its worth talking about. For instance, armor spikes does nothing when we're not being attacked. Elemental Lariat is always active.

[indigo void]

guys is that shield with the proc versatile any good for us to carry on late game?

[sick sentinel]

i should look into what if anything i can embellish weapon with

[slim dove]

no. your stuck with that embellishment + those stats on that shield forever

[craggy pilot]

sounds like you have your own idea already then

they are very much the same all of the "proc shit on attack" effects

they will give same bonus

[slim dove]

im simply pointing out that its worth talking about.

[craggy pilot]

just everyone will rush the neck, and the price will skyrocket

do with that what you will

if you wanna pay 200k gold for 0.1% dps increase 🙂

also you will depend on a JC if you can find any

[slim dove]

just be in a decent guild lmao wtf

[craggy pilot]

if you are JC yourself, go for the neck tbh

[safe shale]

There is a weapon embellishment I would like to talk about. The one that "warps time"?

[craggy pilot]

if you are BS, go for something you can make yourself

[slim dove]

not out yet, nobody knows what it does.

[edgy grail]

It shows an icon next to the nameplates of mobs in MDT

[sick sentinel]

i am also engineer

and bombs take alot of parts now

[craggy pilot]

not sure what you mean?

[craggy pilot]

probably same as Fang Adornments, but for Casters

[slim dove]

if your paying a 200k tip for elemental, thats on you for being in a shit guild

[sick sentinel]

plus, i have no idea what i want to go into for black smitthing

[craggy pilot]

if you have a guild who can make Lariat, then go for it
im just saying Embellishment is probably not about which do more DPS, its more about which you can get in a higher ilvl for a relevant price

[sick sentinel]

im currently putting all my knowledge points to be able to craft i win button

[craggy pilot]

its not all black and white as tier lists were always with Legendaries

[edgy grail]

The route you make on MDT, it puts an icon next to their nameplates so you dont have to open mdt to check.

[craggy pilot]

these Embellishments are WAY closer dmg wise than Legendaries ever were

[slim dove]

yes, this i can agree with

[craggy pilot]

aha, ok thx, so like a number i guess, meaning which "pull" they are?

[slim dove]

but if you can choose between armor spikes and lariat, assuming both are 1% dmg buffs in perfect scenarios, you go lariat every time

[edgy grail]

Its not s number

[slim dove]

because spikes does nothing if your not being hit.

[edgy grail]

But it tells you that mob is in your route

[craggy pilot]

just dont really aggree with everyone just flat out saying "craft neck and ur gucci" since theres more to it than that

i do agree that Armor Spikes are probably shit, but there are many other Effects than that

Proc vers on Shield fx, perma vers on wrist, etc etc

dmg proc on belt

[slim dove]

belt is dookie, shield is dookie, legs are "ok" in m+

[craggy pilot]

legs are tier tho 😦

[slim dove]

exactly

so make the neck lmao

[craggy pilot]

belt might sim high, who knows

[severe steeple]

i just bought the mats 5 days ago in case they skyrocket, if i craft it or not depends on other factors

[slim dove]

its a safe pick

[craggy pilot]

ima make either wrist of belt i think, since im BS myself, and no one else is focusing Professions in my casual guild

and the Lariat recipe will probably be insanely pricy on AH anyway 😄

[fierce field]

hoping to just get lucky and have it drop 🙂

[craggy pilot]

you farming Storms straight away for the recipe?

[fierce field]

that was my goal

[craggy pilot]

if its 2mil gold on AH and you have it drop, are you learning it or selling it?

[sturdy sable]

Im just gonna wait 2 weeks to not get gouged on it lol

[fierce field]

use it and craft a bunch early

[craggy pilot]

might aswell craft something else while you wait then 😉 you get new Spark in 2 weeks

thats also part of my point

"send lariat" is only worth for high end Mythic raiders, or people going for +20 on W1

but we will see the economy after Season starts

[fierce field]

I want to just collect on all the public orders to get my JC skill ups, 14 more to cap.

[craggy pilot]

so you wanna craft free Lariat to up your skill? 😄

sounds like an investment

[slim dove]

buddy ill have you know i sweat through AOTC with a casual guild every season and I will be sending that neck

[craggy pilot]

i know a lot will

cus they "wanna be like the streamers"

[slim dove]

i do push keys with a bunch of other sweaty nerds though

[fierce field]

of course, i'm terrible at using the AH / crafting to make money, it's more just for friends & whoever I can help out

[craggy pilot]

for that huge 0.1% dps increase 😄

[slim dove]

bro i just want more haste

[uneven mason]

speaking of haste what the shit with that World boss trinket

[craggy pilot]

u saw what Plka said tho, Vers > Haste 🤣

so Wrist better than Lariat 😄

(taken probably a bit out of context)

[slim dove]

static charged? 2ppm, could be good

wait till nom tells us

[uneven mason]

it zaps us

can't wait to get killed by a trinket proc

[slim dove]

ited be worth it for the laffs

dont deny it

[uneven mason]

I mean, I loved eating damage and killing DPS with Alar

[slim dove]

id fucking chuckle like an idiot if I died to a trinket proc on mythic prog

[uneven mason]

Yeah

[tender quartz]

Do I wanna go for a Haste Vers Neck from Raid / Court of Stars or craft the Lariat thingie?

Can't decide :(

[toxic pewter]

people saying lariat gonna be pretty good even after the nerf

[tender quartz]

Oh did it already get nerfed? It wasn't on my radar before. But it requires me to have a socketed item, right?

[toxic pewter]

but also a lot of it is personal pref in the big picture

[tender quartz]

Would you happen to know the uptime of it by any chance? Pardon my ignorance

[toxic pewter]

well any end game necklace you will want to add the 3 sockets to it (its an item JC make)

[toxic pewter]

Not sure

[mortal brook]

2pp

[toxic pewter]

not bad

[tender quartz]

Oh the Lariat has 3 Sockets?

[toxic pewter]

any end game necklace can have 3 sockets with an item you get from JC you can buy it on AH

[mortal brook]

Anything has 3 sockets

[tender quartz]

I'm just a Blacksmith we don't have a JC in guild so I*'m out of the loop

[mortal brook]

Loupe

[sick sentinel]

Nokhud Longbow’s Multi-Shot's damage reduced by 71%.

[tender quartz]

Gotcha thanks!

[sick sentinel]

that must have been hitting for alot

[tender quartz]

So with the 2nd Spark tomorrow it'd be a safe bet to craft Lariat and put 3 Sockets on it basically is what I would do?

If I don't wanna hope for raid drop

[toxic pewter]

well a lot of people are doing that apparently

but theres no 'correct' answer as far as i know

because a lot of it is up in the air still

[mortal brook]

Or they change something, and bam buyers remorse

[indigo void]

Are the legs any good with the haste proc?

[toxic pewter]

I may save my second spark until later this week

to see where things stand a bit more

[craggy pilot]

how did Lariat get nerfed?

[toxic pewter]

[With weekly restarts] Stats granted by the Elemental Lariat's equip effect reduced by 5% and it can no longer have multiple bonuses up simultaneously. This change does not negatively impact proc rates or buff uptime.

Developers’ note: Many players have their sights set on the Elemental Lariat as one of their first Spark of Ingenuity crafts as it becomes available tomorrow. Upon further investigation, this turned out to be slightly stronger than intended and we have adjusted it to better match our expectations. We wanted to ensure these changes were in before players invested their valuable resources into acquiring it so everyone can make an informed decision about whether to create this item.

[craggy pilot]

hmm ye ok, means the Wrist will give a higher stat budget though, but its Vers, while you can control what the neck gives 🤔

[slim dove]

it used to be 2ppm for each gem i think?

[sick sentinel]

oh, yeah, im not guna do the gem nerd embellishment

[toxic pewter]

lol

[craggy pilot]

yogi is a gemnerd confirmed

[toxic pewter]

cant go wrong with what you want to make probably

[craggy pilot]

gonna call everyone who makes Lariat a gem-nerd from now on 😄

[fierce field]

going gemnerd necklace, gemnerd trinket

[sick sentinel]

i wanted to do the bracers of togethership or whatever the fuck where you get a bunch of versa for hanging out with the boys

[toxic pewter]

ya bracers seem good

[sick sentinel]

that and weapon

[craggy pilot]

i was looking at the Potion nerd trinket, which might be kinda sick together with the +50% potion duration Embellishment 🤔

[sick sentinel]

and shield

[craggy pilot]

but mainly for Armos DPS

[craggy pilot]

you dont even have to hang out with them, its like 30yrds range

[toxic pewter]

I may make the belt because some random guy I met from ragnaros told me it did 5% of his overall damage in m+

[fierce field]

I think I'd need to drop either engi or JC to do that though

[craggy pilot]

a friend from my guild gave me the Recipe to make it for him 😄 it might be sleeper Embellishment, we'll see

[craggy pilot]

wdym?

[toxic pewter]

Yah I mean it seems cool to me lol

[craggy pilot]

but then again, combat potion setup kinda sadge cus its expensive to buy Combat Potions 😄

[toxic pewter]

everything so expensive right now

XD

just gonna get 2* stuff

[lusty tiger]

I forgot to buy consumes fml

[toxic pewter]

i dont even care

3* stuff is like thousands of gold per

[delicate lake]

thats why you use sustaining alch stone to save money on phials, obviously

[craggy pilot]

damn, when i saw the "Trading Post" announcement, at first i thought it was a fix for the Craft Orders 🤣

[craggy pilot]

that doesnt rly add any power though

only if youre poor

[toxic pewter]

I think a public page would be cool, can make like a shop in game

[sick sentinel]

they really should fix the work orders soon

[fierce field]

oh, i thought the potion nerd trinkets were Alchy only

[sick sentinel]

before it become abandoned cursed thing nobody ever uses

[toxic pewter]

alch trinkets can be worn by anyone this time

[sick sentinel]

and so everyone just avoids it completely

[craggy pilot]

dont think they are 🙂

[fierce field]

ohsnap.

guess I hadn't looked that hard

[sick sentinel]

then it dies and gets removed in wow old golds whatever it is next

that would suck

[toxic pewter]

alch trinkets are like middle of the pack its not bad but not amazing as far as I have heard

[craggy pilot]

potion nerd setup, might be sleeper OP if you can fuel the combat potions 😄

[toxic pewter]

does seem pretty good

[sick sentinel]

if they fix the work order crap, it can be saved and salvaged

[toxic pewter]

whats wrong with work orders

i think its been great so far

[sick sentinel]

you don't garuntee the 1 to 5 stars

[indigo void]

Are the legs with the haste buff any good to carry on late game?

[craggy pilot]

does anyone know where i could potentially find PPM of the Alchemist Stone?

[toxic pewter]

I mean there are ways to guarantee stuff

but it can be expensive

[craggy pilot]

oh wow the Phial Alchemist trinket has a higher stat budget wtf 😄

maybe cus extending Phial doesnt add any value at all

[glacial pumice]

Why is Thunder Clap not higher prio than shield slam in aoe situations where avatar is on cd? It will do more damage right (and with current situation, loosing some defensive power isn't a issue) ?

[slim dove]

sb uptime.

[signal plover]

and rage gen to feed the CDR of avatar

[glacial pumice]

Aah, 17 vs 5 rage, fair enough. Thanks

[fathom goblet]

Sb always a priority ?

[mellow quartz]

if you have 100% uptime then 150% uptime won't give you anything extra

[azure violet]

Do we have an updated spell reflection sheet for Dragonflight?

[mellow quartz]

pins

[fathom goblet]

No

[craggy pilot]

[fathom goblet]

You shield slam because sb is a priority

That what I mean

[mellow quartz]

you SS for SB uptime and for rage gen and due to the fact SS is a crap ton of ST damage

[brittle owl]

slem

[upbeat pine]

Is Endurance Training worth in both raid and m+? If not why? It increases stamina by 5% so it should be pretty good in raids

[fathom goblet]

Shield ilvl has anything to do with SB ?

[mellow quartz]

it has to do with block value

[slim dove]

more dam. 5% stam isn't saving you

[mellow quartz]

not SB uptime

[severe hatch]

Tclap can reset shield slam

More rage more bonk

[upbeat pine]

so it's better to change it for some dmg talent? But if I need shockwave I do not have any other options

[mellow quartz]

you can find builds in the pins

[deep plume]

What is the food and pots recommended for M+ ?

[fathom goblet]

Haste

[hot ore]

Hey guys, can you suggest a Streamer, participating in the World First Race (NA) that plays Prot War?

[fathom goblet]

No one knows

[hot ore]

new to the class and could really use some inspiration

[solar lily]

What's the breakpoint for diminishing returns on hast for us?

[fathom goblet]

Which tanks they will be doing

[fading tide]

Damn nervous and excited to be tanking mythic plus later. Might quit my job to play more

[mellow quartz]

you have food like fish sticks that give you haste and crit now which is better than just the haste food as its more overall stats

[hot ore]

anyone that generally comments a lot while he plays ?

that can work too for me

[fathom goblet]

That seems expensive as fuck

[craggy pilot]

you have food which give flat Str though, much better

Fortune Cookie

@mellow quartz

[fathom goblet]

Im not buying consumables

At the current price

[limpid anchor]

Gotta get those +20s tho

[craggy pilot]

i just bought all consumables for less than 10k

just dont buy the Rank 3

[fathom goblet]

I wont reach 20 today

[craggy pilot]

and youll be good

[limpid anchor]

Haste food is cheap af

[fathom goblet]

How much ?

[craggy pilot]

Haste food is like 25g on my server

[limpid anchor]

Not on pc

Only know that it was cheap compared to the cookie

[fathom goblet]

Enchaments are like 3K each

[mellow quartz]

not sure those are widely available

[craggy pilot]

ye they are like 500g a piece 😄

insane

[fathom goblet]

For pieces Im gonna replace

[mellow quartz]

can also just buy feasts lol

[craggy pilot]

only the weapons are this expensive on my server, which enchants are u looking at???

[fathom goblet]

The one listed

I think action house is now global

[mellow quartz]

enchants etc are region wide, your server doesnt matter

only gear is server specific

[limpid anchor]

The new wowhead tier list is pog

[craggy pilot]

you only buy one enchant?

like what

[fathom goblet]

The ones listed on wowhead

[craggy pilot]

im EU tho

[solar crown]

Is there a wa that shows reflectable spells being cast?

[craggy pilot]

so all of them are 3k each? 🤔

sounds like youre looking at rank 3

which is huge bait currently

[fathom goblet]

Yeah

I dont know