protection

[winged cobalt]

eye in the storm or glacial furry? cant decide if i should spec into frost or air phials xD

[vital sinew]

Eye is poop on low target counts

[winged cobalt]

prolly glacial since we dont need the def cming from eye?

[strong forum]

Battering ram is one of the strongest St dmg talents

Thunderlord is one of the weakest St talents

I'm almost considering not playing thunderlord in m+ at all

And always play battering ram

[jagged pier]

Imma do that anyway

Dont like the desync

[strong forum]

Yeup

[jagged pier]

And with demo nerf meh less use to run TLs

[ionic fern]

Haters.

[solar blade]

1 question: avatar and demo shout dont increase the dmg of your trinkets right? lets say for example windscar whetstone

[ionic fern]

No.

[solar blade]

thanks!

[jagged pier]

Its bad because its not legion TLs

[ionic fern]

It's not bad.

[jagged pier]

Compared to legion it is

And i member legion

[ionic fern]

Sure, comparing to Legion.

[jagged pier]

Not comparing just membering

[austere cave]

is ashen juggernaut ever worth it in raids for the sweet execute phase?

[lone eagle]

Don't believe so now as execute is harder to get as many casts out of due to tier only working with Revenge

[strong forum]

Aj is not worth

[jade pulsar]

Continuing on this, how would ur build be then?

drop booming voice as well?

[lone eagle]

Booming Voice prob still fine and lines up with SC

[jade pulsar]

but u gotta drop something from the lower levels to get it as Thunderlord and battering is on different levels

or am i missing something

[ionic fern]

You have enough points above - so the "quota" for the TL level is already full, even without TL.

So you can just drop TL and take Battering Ram.

[strong forum]

^

[jade pulsar]

this is my raid build that i got some weeks ago

[strong forum]

Drop enduring alacrity and get instigate or bloodsurge

And drop thunderlords and get battering ram

Then you got the best ST build

[jagged pier]

How do u have rage no taking instegate

👀

[jade pulsar]

i havent really played it, just grabbed it from this discord some weeks ago 😛

but ty guys!

[ionic fern]

This discord?

Who's getting belted?

[cobalt seal]

Nome

[jagged pier]

That is not a build in this discord

[blazing condor]

[cobalt seal]

What were you doing

[strong forum]

:squint: pretty sure I never linked this version

[cobalt seal]

Why you trolling people

[strong forum]

Someone has to

[ionic fern]

That's why we un-muted Cro tho..

[lone eagle]

its yogis build

[marble gulch]

Guys armor or stamina leg enchant?

[cobalt seal]

[strong forum]

Armor for dmg, stam for 0.01% more surv

[ionic fern]

You sure armor wouldn't provide more surv?

[marble gulch]

We go damage then, thanks ^^

And the enchant is cheaper pog

[strong forum]

No idea if the armor would be bigger since both are so fucking small

[ionic fern]

😂

[strong forum]

Like it's what, 170 stam vs 170 armor?

[ionic fern]

I think we have to math this out because someone will come here arguing "Hello, is 2 armor or 3 stm worth more to my survivability because i don't know how to properly play the class"?

[marble gulch]

105 stam vs 141 armor

same strenght

[strong forum]

And some people complain that we cant think realistically and only look at numbers...

Smh

[ionic fern]

[warm plinth]

Excuse me but can you provide the exact survivability gain of 1 agility please

[strong forum]

7

[warm plinth]

perfect

[strong forum]

You gain 7 survive

[warm plinth]

😂

[ionic fern]

But what about in situation 2?

Do i still gain 7?

[blazing condor]

5

[marble gulch]

that brings my survive to a total of 8

[ionic fern]

Damn.

[warm plinth]

I think that's 7.3333 repeating of course

[marble gulch]

wow thanks

[cobalt seal]

No

You gain 0

Because situation 2

Is you floorpov

[ionic fern]

No, that's situation 3.

[cobalt seal]

Dont lie

[ionic fern]

So..tomorrow in raid.

[cobalt seal]

Thats 2

[limpid pasture]

What about my purely anxiety driven hypothetical dr Seuss’s worst nightmare? WHAT THEN?

[warm plinth]

ngl how awesome would it be if we just had a completely nonsensical argument about this and people came in like what in actual fuck are they talking about

[strong forum]

Then you play codex

[sick sentinel]

And Bladedancer's

[blazing condor]

you play al'ar + weave of warped fates

[warm plinth]

[limpid pasture]

Pfft! Can’t fool me— who needs to pay for codex now when you change talents anywhere??

[blazing condor]

time to update that emote

new picture

[warm plinth]

ikr I was just thinking we need a new literal garbage

[sick sentinel]

Someone in guardian asked if they should get rid of RDM because Sims had it over a 379 trinket.

[ionic fern]

I don't use trinkets/neck/rings cause i don't wear jewelry.

[warm plinth]

also why is it literallytrash instead of literalgarbage now

[ionic fern]

So jokes on you.

[strong forum]

Jewellery is for girls

[blazing condor]

for americans

[warm plinth]

Don't worry Mwahi, Johnny Depp wears enough for all of us.

[blazing condor]

they dont know what garbage mean

[warm plinth]

I'm American 🤔

[ionic fern]

https://tenor.com/view/pity-the-fool-gif-6055428

[blazing condor]

then youre welcome : )

[warm plinth]

Eh my education is too poor to know I'm being insulted anyway

[ionic fern]

[blazing condor]

guys is bounding stride deadge for m+ builds

[limpid pasture]

🤷‍♂️ reading is for ugly people anyway

[blazing condor]

idk what to remove

[ionic fern]

Fix your profile image.

[warm plinth]

why dog not have santa hat

[sick sentinel]

Mwahi got that fucked up Pepsi logo pfp

[blazing condor]

then my name would be weird

[warm plinth]

Just have Mwahi change it to A Dog with A Santa Hat

[blazing condor]

[sick sentinel]

Yeah make mwahi do something for once

[blazing condor]

bruh

[sick sentinel]

🙂

[blazing condor]

he put a whole period in my name

[warm plinth]

LOL

[ionic fern]

Never.

[coarse flower]

could someone help me with a talent build for M+ (for someone that's scared af of magic tankbusters as well)

[warm plinth]

If we can trust one thing about Mwahi, it's that he will use a fuckin period

[ionic fern]

Pins.

Don't be afraid of magic tank busters..just DS/SW/IP/LS.

[mint imp]

what's the general difference between talent build here on discord and wowhead mythic + ?

[ionic fern]

Your life is a lie.

[warm plinth]

NOOOOOOOOO

[ionic fern]

I think Llorld mentioned that the WoWHead one is currently for m0, not specifically for m+.

[mint imp]

but now wowhead guide has been update for season 1 and talents remain same on wowhead

[ionic fern]

Oh, nvm, he updated it now i think.
He has a build for each dungeon..

So i'm not sure which one you are talking about.

😂

[mint imp]

nevermind 😄

[warm plinth]

yeah wowhead made all the writers do that 😂

[hollow parcel]

Guys can i rant?

[storm shell]

no

[queen bobcat]

can you?

[hollow parcel]

please i need people to agree or not with me

[warm plinth]

@ionic fern Is new pfp up to standard?

[zenith sky]

Bit of a general question, forgive me but I will forget this: for looting the m+ chest at the end of the dungeon, can you change your loot spec after completing the key?

[warm plinth]

No, loot is locked to whatever spec you were in when the key completed.

[zenith sky]

Ty

[sick sentinel]

🙂

Gallywix nerd

[warm plinth]

kek

[ionic fern]

Yesh.

[mint imp]

wowhead guide saying to use Phial of Static Empowerment but is it really worth when you constantly have to dodge in m+ ?

[hollow parcel]

but i just saw "wow at night" video regarding prot warrior nerfs and ofc the sarcastic attitude then he proceeds by showing footage from the WQ in Nokhuds as how he pulled everything and never died but on Brew he can't, even though im pretty sure other tanks can do the same like pala or dk. Then he proceeds to say he will be playing prot either way for progression.

[ionic fern]

Not in m+. In Raids if you can.

[queen bobcat]

Eye in the storm all the way imho

[hollow parcel]

this just tilts me or am i being too sensitive

[mint imp]

sorry I'm blind, ty

[warm plinth]

Other tanks can in fact do that, but I think the point was probably to illustrate that brew has some failings in the survival department that other tanks don't.

But I didn't watch the video. I'm just guessing

[uncut notch]

+1

[hollow parcel]

yes but why just put the spot light on something that isnt as important like a WQ where other tanks can do the same!

[severe steeple]

I kinda got tilted by the asmon video where he farms some shity mobs on the brackenhide outdoor area and ppl cry abou OP pwarr in the comments

[warm plinth]

Isn't WoW at night Llarold's videos?

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[ionic fern]

Wait what?

[hollow parcel]

yes him

[warm plinth]

I'm guessing you don't watch Asmongold very often?

His chats/comments sections are full of morons

[severe steeple]

Can’t link I’m on the move but you can find easily

[warm plinth]

And hundreds of people who just repeat what everyone else said

[ionic fern]

I don't watch Streamers outside of Nome's for support.

[hollow parcel]

ignore Asmongold for now, LLarold is a guide writer and actually plays the game so such feedback from him is sad

[ionic fern]

[queen bobcat]

I like asmon but him acting like Prot is fucking OP because he can tank m0 without dying is just dumb

[warm plinth]

TIL Mwahi doesn't watch my stream

[ionic fern]

You stream?

😦

[warm plinth]

I do

But tbf, I am usually at work when you're around

[ionic fern]

Well, from what i've gathered..Asmon is a joke.

[blazing condor]

@ionic fern now what huh

[severe steeple]

No I watch asmon for entertainment but this was beyond stupid

[ionic fern]

[queen bobcat]

He's a chill dude. It's just the issue of all the spergs in chat complaining about prot since he acts like prot is OP for the lulz

[ionic fern]

😦

[hollow parcel]

Why are people looking at M0 and WQ as a reason to nerf prot??

[ionic fern]

I diddn't know, forgive me.

[blazing condor]

please remove period from name though

[ionic fern]

[warm plinth]

It's okay. Ily anyway

[ionic fern]

Because people dum-dum.

[severe steeple]

And that video on YouTube reached far beyond his regular viewers I am sure

[sick sentinel]

Why do you care what people are looking at that info

[ionic fern]

"Oh crap, i pulled a whole punch of irrelevant enemies and killed them!! OP CLASS"

[queen bobcat]

cause blizz reacts to it

[sick sentinel]

No

[hollow parcel]

cause Blizz are using these clips as

[sick sentinel]

No

[ionic fern]

Gimme video.

[hollow parcel]

reference and saying "internal testing" we both know the tanks nerf has nothing to do with whatever testing they claimed

[queen bobcat]

There is no way it's a coincidence that asmon uploads the video and not barely 24 h later they nerf tanks

[cunning cipher]

Hey all, i remember in SL we had a big spreadsheet of things that could be spell reflected in M+. Do we have anything like that yet for DF?

[ionic fern]

Pins.

[sick sentinel]

If you think Blizzard nerfed tanks because of the asmon clip you're actually delusioned

[severe steeple]

I”m on the move you can search for like “asmon gold shows how op warrior is” or smth

[queen bobcat]

same thing happened to Fury with Max video

[sick sentinel]

Oh God

Oh boy

[severe steeple]

No one said that

[sick sentinel]

No?

[strong forum]

Asmon tanked open world mobs

On a tank that scales with mob count

[sick sentinel]

#protection message

[strong forum]

So yeh

[ionic fern]

LOL

How can someone be..so tense.
I hope it was meant as a joke.

[queen bobcat]

They are implying that outrage was really high because of the clips. People were complaining like crazy on forums. This is quite the incentive for blizz to change stuff

[strong forum]

Wasn't enough to get bdk nerfed

[static owl]

you are delusional

[severe steeple]

There is no way he did not know what he was doing, kind of a new low

[sick sentinel]

Krytos

[blazing condor]

if blizzard listened to the community on class balance then we'd be in for a cold winter

[warm plinth]

If they nerfed a spec every time people bitched about it on the forums, a lot of specs would have been nerfed a lot more often.

[strong forum]

It's literally asmons shtick....

[severe steeple]

But I am not claiming he is responsible for nerfs

[sick sentinel]

You're also not the only one talking

[azure light]

the nerfs are justified

[sick sentinel]

So

[lone eagle]

Can Asmon complain about how bear is underpowered in PvP

[inner rapids]

This

[lone eagle]

I need some of these nerfs reverted for my free glad

[ionic fern]

@azure light @inner rapids reasoning.

I like reading why people claim something they claim.

[azure light]

😄

[inner rapids]

we too op

reasoning

done

😄

[topaz field]

the nerfs are rlly lazy game design when prot war looks to be the strongest tank and gets an indirect buff because the nerfs hit other tanks harder than they do for prot war

[ionic fern]

About the level i was expecting.

[inner rapids]

😗

[queen bobcat]

If you guys honestly think that social media coverage of how people play specs has not impacted blizz decision making, you are the ones who are delusional. Sure they have changed OP shit in the past, but never as fast. They would wait for RWF and check representation in raid / dungeon and nerf / buff according to that. They are way faster on the nerf hammer than they used to be.

[azure light]

ye u didn't read patch notes im guessing

[azure light]

they didnt CHANGE anything brotherman... They nerfed it a LITTLE

[queen bobcat]

I am not saying that asmon single-handedly got Prot nerfed but it sure as hell played into it

[topaz field]

u think the ip nerf does anything?

[strong forum]

It absolutely does have an impact Krytos

[queen bobcat]

Did I ever say anything else?

[strong forum]

But asmon is not a point to consider

[inner rapids]

i wont be able to get good rating

[static owl]

krytos really trying hard to become the new meme

[inner rapids]

rip warrior

reroll time

brm or bdk?

both better than warr now

[queen bobcat]

Maybe actually counter my point, if you got something insightful to say

[azure light]

you said changed things. changing is different from a flat nerf

[tawdry cove]

Lol asmongold had nothing to do with it

[severe steeple]

Demo lock pet tanking meta

[queen bobcat]

how is that different lol? A nerf is literally a change

[azure light]

people litteraly basing things off m0 pulls is funny af

[strong forum]

Yeah.

[sick sentinel]

Man you made a tinfoil hat comment

[strong forum]

It wasn't even m0 I think

[sick sentinel]

We don't have to disprove it

[azure light]

sure you can call it that. but when i say change a class i don't think off nerfing it.. cause we have a word for it

[strong forum]

His clip was just overworld content or?

[ionic fern]

It was the gnoll camp in azure.

😂

[sick sentinel]

Alex Jones

[warm plinth]

A nerf is in fact a change. Weird thing to argue.

[azure light]

if thats the case even worse XDDD

[strong forum]

There are tanks out there dying in m0a

[queen bobcat]

OK, so you honestly think social media coverage has literally no impact on how fast and how often say buff / nerf things?

[strong forum]

So clearly tanks aren't op

[ionic fern]

Who cares why it got nerfed.
It got nerfed.
It's nothing significant.

We all good.

[sick sentinel]

That's very different from where you started tiger

[queen bobcat]

not disaggreeing

[warm plinth]

I think some social media coverage can have an impact on buffs or nerfs. But they don't just listen to every mouthbreather who owns a keyboard.

[azure light]

im not arguing anything, but ur in a class discord, try to be reasonable and use proper terms? i just think reading stuff is alot simpler if people word it as they should

[fresh zealot]

I can tell you he had nothing to do with it. They acknowledged warrior being too powerful round end of beta. Just didnt have enough time to tune them then cause they were finishing up the expansion

[queen bobcat]

I said it had an impact. I never said he was the sole reason

[tawdry cove]

Does it matter, warrior got the nerf it deserved

[azure light]

Yuppers

[strong forum]

Agreed

[azure light]

yup

[hollow parcel]

It's been a while since tanks felt tanky when it came to content

[strong forum]

1 thing they can still address is shield spec

We have a little too high block value

[azure light]

i doubt blizzard balances stuff based on m0s, and even less openworld content

[sick sentinel]

Asmon's fault

[strong forum]

That's the most reasonable nerf they can do

[warm plinth]

Nome, having 60% block value with mythic shield is perfectly fine 😏

[strong forum]

You have more with mythic

You can get to 60 already with heroic

That's too much

[azure light]

thats pretty high

[strong forum]

In old xpacs you had 42 with mythic shield

[sick sentinel]

I'm pretty high

Wait

[strong forum]

I already have that with fucking 386 shield

thats the main kicker

Of all things

[hollow parcel]

what spec you going to play?

[strong forum]

The thing I've mained since 7.0 and never stopped maining it

We OTP prot warrior

[sick sentinel]

So pres Evoker

[azure light]

no way ur playing ret pala, i knew it

[sick sentinel]

Makes sense

[hollow parcel]

well as long you don't get bullied into rerolling

[strong forum]

Hah

I'll bully others when they even think about me playing smth else

[hollow parcel]

if you otp a spec that is when others are more "meta"

[sick sentinel]

Bully me I thought about it

[hollow parcel]

cause sadly that's the mentality when you decide to play on a somewhat a competitive level

[sick sentinel]

Huh

[azure light]

bring the spec not the player

[strong forum]

Nah bibo

If you play with smart players they let you play what you want

[azure light]

what is a competitive level? its being top10 rwf?

[oblique kayak]

is there a reason „Shield of the hearth“ ist not recommended?

[topaz field]

i will play with an arms warrior friend just like i did the last 10 seasons and i guarantee he is 100 times better than any random fotm player

[hollow parcel]

im being honest btw, how many times you LFG and see only "this tank" like when BDK was meta, or in raids when certain specs were op.

[sick sentinel]

That's not semi competitive

[ionic fern]

3 different groups from the top of my head. All in the +15 range

[hollow parcel]

playing anywhere between 50-150 is still competitive

[sick sentinel]

You don't pug if you're competitive

[azure light]

yep

[hollow parcel]

i don't do m+

[sick sentinel]

That's where you run into crayon eaters

[hollow parcel]

like not push, but i raid

[azure light]

😳

[hollow parcel]

as i didn't do anything above 22

[sick sentinel]

And while I'm a personal fan of yellow crayons with the wrapper, I don't hate myself quite enough to pug

[hollow parcel]

not last season prior to that

not the prepatch joke

[ebon geyser]

Pug is da poop

[azure light]

people did this?

[ionic fern]

A bit.
But you're a tank so you can ignore the 3 groups doing this and queue for the other 50 who don't care.

[hollow parcel]

yeah ofc im just saying meta does exist

[ionic fern]

Who cares. 🤷

[sick sentinel]

Like people are entitled to pick what they want for their keys, just as you're entitled to not even want to join their key.

[warm plinth]

1. Proc isn't very good
2. Embellishment on it is permanent (can't be changed)
3. Can't pick the stats on it and the stats are not optimal.

[azure light]

haha true, im glad i never really had to pug anyway

[floral trail]

Hi, quick question. Thanks in advance. What’s the best source for m+ routes?

[oblique kayak]

thx a lot

[ionic fern]

I wanna say the easiest to look up is Raider.io routes but i have high doubts about it since last season when i checked them they seemed to be randomly thrown together.

😂

[sick sentinel]

Plka has routes up already.

[oblique kayak]

plka?

[ionic fern]

@patent osprey

[azure light]

🍿

[ionic fern]

But i think he's sleeping atm.

[azure light]

https://youtu.be/AR2IousSDks

got this on my recommended. maybe something to base ur routes off perhaps

always easier to work with routes with a imported route that u can modify to your group's wishes 😉

[oblique garnet]

Routes = hold w

[ionic fern]

What if a wall comes?

[sick sentinel]

Tactyks another good bean

[oblique garnet]

Adapt

[azure light]

what you don't play with the arrows?

[ionic fern]

Too much pressure.

[warm plinth]

Improvise. Adapt. Overcome.

[azure light]

https://tenor.com/view/improvise-adapt-overcome-bear-grylls-gif-10468556

[trim bay]

Bear grills

[oblique garnet]

Only place i think where you absolutely really want to skip trash is nokhud before last boss

[wise ridge]

Hey all, I’m relatively new to prot war but not tanking. Do we stance dance as a prot war?

[trim bay]

But have a fancy RV behind you

[ionic fern]

Or..hear me out...get 3 hunters and wait them to pull impatiently and then just kill w/e they pull.

[blazing condor]

how many bears could bear grills grill if bear grills could grill bears

[azure light]

ye those adds are absolute aids

[hollow parcel]

yes

[ionic fern]

Not really, no.

[oblique garnet]

But you can just walk around all of them

[azure light]

LOL THIS

[blazing condor]

you can use defensive stance as a defensive CD when damage intake is high otherwise you kinda just always sit in battle stance

[ionic fern]

WHY ARE YOU HATING ON HEALERS?!?! LET THEM PARSE.

[strong forum]

Stance dancing is the highest skill expression we get, the goal is to be in b-stance as much as possible and switch to d-stance for heavy dmg intake/tank busters

[blazing condor]

no one cares about healer parses

only tank damage parses matter

[ionic fern]

I care about my healers.

[azure light]

nah b-stance then blame healer if i die

[blazing condor]

😎

[ionic fern]

And their parses.

[strong forum]

Utilising stances effectivlely will take experience

[blazing condor]

then you are no one - cus no one is perfect 😊

[wise ridge]

@ionic fern ok. @blazing condor that’s for m+ as well as raid? Or specific use case

[ionic fern]

Just macro /Dstance into every defensive you have.

And /Bstance to every offensive ability.

[queen bobcat]

btw, if anyone is interested, I am maintaining a plater profile for the m+ group I play with (currently adding npcs colors and spell scripts for season 1) and it has all spell reflectable spells in it. It will have a light blue castbar border if spell reflect is up and the spell is reflectable. If spell reflect is up, the entire castbar color will change. This is visible for the entire group. Makes it easier for your teammates to realize when you are reflecting, so they don't interrupt.

https://wago.io/ym98zxQym

[ionic fern]

[ionic fern]

[warm plinth]

hey I like your period

[blazing condor]

[sick sentinel]

You like his what

You can't just say that to another man

[blazing condor]

why not?

[oblique garnet]

Who changed your name

[blazing condor]

dont know what youre talking about late

what name

[oblique garnet]

@ionic fern

[ionic fern]

YOU SAID TO ADAPT

HE USED A CHRISTMAS HAT

WHAT DO YOU WANT.

[blazing condor]

/ there there

[crude notch]

You'll do what I tell you

https://tenor.com/view/shin-jimin-jimin-whip-whiplash-whipping-gif-12463359

[azure light]

https://tenor.com/view/pussy-cat-cute-kitty-kitten-cat-gif-16800925

me next

[crude notch]

lol

[noble lynx]

😳

[sleek current]

Hi, is it possible for me to just get the script / mod you're using for spell reflect please? 😊

[jolly wasp]

Guys since I heard different opinions about it, I wanted to ask what are the best phials to go for. Glacial fury or eye in the storm for dung? And I read static empowerment/elemental chaos for raid depending on the encounter but a friend said he heard glacial fury will be good in raids too at low ilvl?

[grave jetty]

anyone know of a maxxed out blacksmith that can craft a rank 5 matrix 4 helm for me

[ionic fern]

It's server specific..

[grave jetty]

tarren mill

[slim dove]

region, not server

[ionic fern]

Did they change it?

Cause it used to be server.

[slim dove]

100%

im on mal'ganis, some dude here on illidan makes all my shit

[grave jetty]

isnt that cause the servers are connected?

cause some are

[mellow quartz]

They said work orders were server specific for gear similar to how region wide AH is not a thing for gear.

[ionic fern]

^

[grave jetty]

welp

issue remains that i cant find someone to craft that helmet

and ive been looking for literall days

[slim dove]

huh, my b. swore it was region

[sick sentinel]

It's "battlegroup" i believ

[jolly wasp]

bump

[patent osprey]

Good morning

I was pinged whats up

[mellow quartz]

Those count as 1 server though

[sick sentinel]

i told someone you shared routes for s1 yesterday

[ionic fern]

Storm in m+, Static(if you can utilise it) / Glacial in Raid.

[patent osprey]

Ah ^.^ here are some routes. I noted some nice spell reflects in the routes as well https://pastebin.com/e5U5UcEF

[patent osprey]

❤️

[mellow quartz]

Glacial fury is so much dps in keys though 🤔

[strong forum]

It's been nerfed again afaik

Not just once iirc

[mellow quartz]

Since beta? Didn’t see that

[strong forum]

|| @patent osprey ping ||

I'm not sure if since beta, but I seem to think there was a glacial fury nerf after m+ testing ended

And frozen devotion ofc aswell

[mellow quartz]

It still procs for 9k so unless it was a nerf to the proc change I don’t see it.

Not running something that is like 8% of your overall damage seems a bit sus

[strong forum]

Myeah.

[potent gulch]

need guide for enchants and consumables! peak of serenity has it!

[strong forum]

I bought a couple of cheap eye of storm phials

Cuz this week is gonna hurt

And glacial fury is just too much gold rn

[limpid anchor]

Do we know the affixes already?

[fierce juniper]

bolstering necrotic

[mellow quartz]

We assume fort raging

[limpid anchor]

/ did na already start?

[mellow quartz]

But 🤷‍♂️

[strong forum]

A rare green name spotted

It's like a shiny

[solid granite]

necrotic is dead, thank god

[fierce juniper]

[limpid anchor]

Bolstering necrotic would be fun at tho

Sadly they removed necrotic :(

[fierce juniper]

no fuck necrotic

and bolstering

[mellow quartz]

20’s week 1 for sure then

[solid granite]

you and i have very different ideas on what counts as 'fun'

[potent gulch]

what about Elemental Lariant ;-x? i finished my hunting... was going to slam 405 neck tomorrow. but what now? 😭

[blazing condor]

new seasonal affix seems pretty dog

[strong forum]

It is

[blazing condor]

fun

[solid granite]

30% dmg inc for a couple of sec is very uninspired..

[limpid anchor]

It’s better than shrouded

[solid granite]

see what i did there?

[mellow quartz]

https://wago.io/TAmsZl439

[placid stratus]

I laughed

[mellow quartz]

This is by far the best WA for thundering

[solid granite]

Nomeratur is typing.. uh-oh

[strong forum]

That is sexy

Nah I tried to make an analogy with volcanic

But cba

[blazing condor]

too bad i wouldve erupted with laughter

[hard vessel]

Can this get pinned?

[solid granite]

The luls would've flown like they're pyroclastic?

[placid stratus]

[strong forum]

I've pinned it somewhere else

Not in this discord tho

[blazing condor]

[hard vessel]

OK so where?

Or secret?

[strong forum]

Si

[blazing condor]

treasure hunt for the one piece routes

[uneven bramble]

another prot warrior nerf 😦 feelsbad. they are just reverting every buff they got from shadowlands lol

[mellow quartz]

Broken spec

[grave jetty]

are they actually nerfing it again

[placid stratus]

Read pinned

[uneven bramble]

i wonder how long it takes them to make them the worst tank again lol

[placid stratus]

The nerfs are in there

[grave jetty]

not going to be relevant for too long are we

[ionic fern]

What

[placid stratus]

Paladin/DH is prob gonna pop up ontop later in higher keys I think

Hwat

[mellow quartz]

Based on?

[placid stratus]

My own opinion

[mellow quartz]

🤷‍♂️

[slim dove]

primal storm event is only 359

[uneven bramble]

???

[slim dove]

guess im glad i wont have any fomo about it

[mellow quartz]

Can’t you buy 38x with one of the primal token things?

[uneven bramble]

i havent been able to use 359 since like day 2 lmao what the

[slim dove]

not sure, im 5 hours late to the wowhead article

oh yeah 385 "storm sigil" gear

[solid granite]

It's more for t-mog, and less for gearing - unless you need to get a fresh character to heroic/m0 levels

[slim dove]

the 385 piece is good to shore up an unlucky spot or two

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/d4r631nNPJ8 if i make a weak aura i will probably import this sound if it doesn't exist, it hink the tail end of it does

[solid granite]

That is one possibility, but i see it as a catch-up mechanic

[mellow quartz]

It’s just open world player gear. It’s not meant to compete with endgame.

[uneven bramble]

oh hey, i totally forgot what the prot set bonus gave, well atleast with that we will feel like pre nerf prot warrior lol old BV and essentially vanguards damage mitigation back

[solid granite]

i have a 'quacking' WA somewhere that makes a ducks quacking sound whenever quaking spawns

[jolly wasp]

thanks a lot ❤️

[fathom goblet]

Warrior with sb 100% uptime will dominate m+

[mellow quartz]

Amazons stock will go up by 100% next Tuesday

[placid stratus]

Until blizzard smacks us with a shovel and buries us in a dark forest

[uneven bramble]

for how long tho, will we even make it to m+ before they shred the class

lmao

[placid stratus]

To be forgotten for the rest of the expansion

[brittle owl]

Tesla stock will go down 50% next friday

[fathom goblet]

M+ is today

[placid stratus]

Tomorrow for eu

[fathom goblet]

Wtf you are talking about

Today or tomorrow

Whatever

[brittle owl]

toyota

[mellow quartz]

We predicting the future right?

[placid stratus]

Just opinions and thoughts

[uneven bramble]

they are literally adding nerfs every day for reset, they are going to do it again lol. next is 25% increased damage taken in bstance

[brittle owl]

no we're crowdsourcing the next mastercard commercial

[solid granite]

great fear mongering - war will dominate, until they won't. And for pugs, the choice of tank doesn't f*cking matter

[gloomy seal]

Remember: the prot stance nerf only affects if you're not in Bstance. fact

[placid stratus]

Choice of tank for pugs def matter lol

They want the best spec always

[fathom goblet]

Its not an opinion , 100% sb uptime is the most overpowered ability across all tanks.

[solid granite]

^ this

[placid stratus]

And then it will be nerfed if its that overpowered

[fathom goblet]

No they wont

[placid stratus]

Cope ig

[uneven bramble]

for real lmao, theyve been getting more than 1 more ever patch since release

[solid granite]

hopium it'll get nerfed aint better

[fathom goblet]

They are trying to balance without meddling with SB uptime

[uneven bramble]

remember what happened to rogue in BFA? best class in the game to the worst class ever in the matter of 3 weeks?

[placid stratus]

I main prot why would i want my class to get nerfed

[fathom goblet]

They want warriors having sb

[noble lynx]

I think blizzard realized that 100% uptime is kinda vital for protwar

[placid vale]

Warr will keep being nerfed for little things every reset until they add up enough. See our damage in Beta. Little nerfs, until it added up and now we're last on Damage.

[noble lynx]

Last on dmg what

[placid stratus]

Imma just wait and see and hope they dont ruin stuff

[fathom goblet]

Last on dmg lul

[reef matrix]

?

[solid granite]

play a BrM and tell me, in comparison, that Pwar isn't strong af - even baseline without 100% SB uptime

[fathom goblet]

Pwar dmg is on par

[placid vale]

Who is last then? I thought it was war

[noble lynx]

Any other context

Single target

Cleave

[placid vale]

BrM is so strong it was nerfed alongside the rest of us.

[noble lynx]

Aoe

[uneven bramble]

well yes but how long has prot been awful, you know lmao. give us atleast one fucking season lmao

[noble lynx]

Brm flops

[solemn thunder]

Prot War is fine.

[uneven bramble]

i'm fine with being the worst tank class but 1 season

[solid granite]

It dominated BFA for a long time, and was played in S2 SL

[noble lynx]

Protwar has an offensive cd for every pull

[placid vale]

I was a BrM main until I took an arrow, I mean nerf to ny knee.

[uneven bramble]

well yeah but BFA was dead

[noble lynx]

None of the other tanks rly have that

[fathom goblet]

SL season 2 was bear

[solid granite]

moving the goal post

[solemn thunder]

actually two. Ava + Demo

[reef matrix]

We really acting like pwar was unplayable s3/s4?

[solid granite]

i don't - i played pwar in S3 & 4

[uneven bramble]

no tanks were

just blood was king

[reef matrix]

You asked how long prot has been awful

[uneven bramble]

i just dont know what they are going to do cause all tanks are too strong right now minus brewmaster

[placid vale]

I lost all hope on them fixing Brew at this point...

Theyre too busy nerfing warr and dh

[uneven bramble]

awful compared to every other tank spec lol yes.

[reef matrix]

So your claim is prot was the worst tank s3/s4?

[placid vale]

They forgot Monk exists, like literally every fucking expansion. When its not bugs, its tuning.

[solid granite]

they nerfed BrM twice - once with a HP buff (that was actually a nerf), and the second time with the -10% dr. Shit's funny if it wsn't so awful

[noble lynx]

[hard vessel]

So how makes 100% shield block prot meta? That's soluch a big lie

[uneven bramble]

s4 no, s3 bottom 2

[sweet summit]

idk if you know how strong block is

[noble lynx]

Its more like all the block value talents

[solid granite]

hint: they don't 🙂

[sweet summit]

i'm not saying we're meta

[noble lynx]

Baseline block is almost 60% dr

[spice tide]

yo guys what u think of the Alchemist Stone for the first as Prot?

[placid vale]

Just wait until Blizzard nerfs SB uptime or some kind of shit.

[sweet summit]

meh

[wispy quartz]

wait so who are yall saying is the meta tank rn?

[noble lynx]

Nerf shield spec

[sweet summit]

ye bot a bad idea

not*

[astral crystal]

how did this shitshow convo even start

[sick sentinel]

this + rng critical blocks, making the said block even more effective possibly

[uneven bramble]

prot warrior is still the best tank for sure, but after people get the set bonus most likely DH takes that crown

[hard vessel]

Ye in SL we had almost 100 block too and were considered dumbster by many, but block value increased massive

[sweet summit]

considered != being

[noble lynx]

Also warrior tree is the best in the game

So much freedom

[uneven bramble]

^ true

[hard vessel]

That's why I wrote considers Xd

[uneven bramble]

"freedom" maybe not lol

[sick sentinel]

does anybody at all run the spell block talent im curious

[solid granite]

i can see a future where ppally encroaches on the top ranks, cuz of all the def cd's

[lean vessel]

Anyone know if Armor spikes stack?

[solid granite]

but that'll be a long time away

[noble lynx]

If you want 1 specific thing you can pick it up for pretty much free

If you compare that to vengeance for example

[placid vale]

If they leave DH be, it will prob be meta when tier arrives. Until then, war it is.

[noble lynx]

You give up 2 kidneys and an eye for mass grip sigil

[placid vale]

If they keep nerfing tanks until a s1 SL happens again, dh will be meta 100%

[limpid anchor]

I say dh :<

[uneven bramble]

i feel like everyone has the same tree right now on prot warrior, only difference really is. some people take berserker rage for some content and not others and some times spell block

[sick sentinel]

the only thing i would definitively actually remove from wow is, how you lose all aggro temporarily when disoriented as a tank

[hard vessel]

It's pally

[limpid anchor]

Misplay should be punished

[noble lynx]

Right but if you wanna change it a bit and pick up something specific youre allowed to for costing barely anything

[limpid anchor]

you should also lose aggro when you get stunned :<

[high drum]

should also happen with fear again

[hard vessel]

They should remove the ability to move interrupts

[noble lynx]

Other trees arent structured as well

[high drum]

casual

[uneven bramble]

that is true

[sick sentinel]

frustrating as fuck you are doing some 15 20 key and then you get hit with a disorient, and then all the 10 mobs your fighting chase after youar party, 20-40 yards away while you cant do fuck all for the duration

[limpid anchor]

Trinket

[sick sentinel]

have to go pick up the mobs again

[limpid anchor]

I mean, you don’t lose aggro

[uneven bramble]

brewmaster tree looked really fun, idk what happened lol

[limpid anchor]

They just run towards you again anyway

[high drum]

you are ignored on the list

[sick sentinel]

all the mobs immediately start attacking other targets if you get disoriented

[radiant magnet]

thats just bad play though. someone missed an interrupt or stun

[noble lynx]

Also chall shout is pretty op in a bursty dps meta like havoc

[placid vale]

Agility and magic stagger being 35% of the actual value happened

[solid granite]

no defensive options. All dps, not survivability

[placid vale]

Oh, and a fucking ton of magic dmg this season

[limpid anchor]

Yea but you keep your aggro after the debuff is gone

[high drum]

only if you were over 30% of the new target

since the mob is at range now

[sick sentinel]

its effectively the same as if i had no aggro at all during that time and threat on them = 0

[solid granite]

don't get disoriented 5head

[high drum]

immune it pog

[jagged pier]

Yes in S3 being one of the 3 tanks that could tank jailer pre nerf is being bottom 2 cool

[uneven bramble]

i havent seen very many DH tanks. how are they doing? their set bonus looks the strongest

[inland raft]

Is there a dungeon boss quick guide out of game i can read through now that done leveling?

[sick sentinel]

it just means the healer and shaman gets destroyed by trash melee abilities

and its horrific to watch and you cant react

[noble lynx]

You forget people only ever care about m+

[high drum]

press rage

[solid granite]

all set bonuses are 'meh', wouldn't call the best 'meh' good

[noble lynx]

Raiding is not a thing for these people

[uneven bramble]

lol they really arent that bad

[jagged pier]

Even in m+ it was better due to banner just omega spelt on cause ppl are dumb and hate the spec

[sick sentinel]

8.3 made me quit raiding

[noble lynx]

Ye banner was fun

Rip

I love extendo minmax builds

[sick sentinel]

after i got EP aotc, that could have been what truly killed raiding for me

[uneven bramble]

4% less damage taken at basically all times and a free ignore pain is pretty nice

[sick sentinel]

but after EP i didn't do any serious raiding at all, didn't do a single normal raid in SL

unsure if im going to attempt tonight

[solid granite]

as i said, pretty much 'meh' set bonuses. If a 12% chance for 15%DR after using SB on a veng is 'good', i dunno

[severe hatch]

Yogi, someone needs to keep the overland mobs in check while we're raiding tonight

[sick sentinel]

i was so out of wanting to raid that i only did dinars on 3 toons via LFR

[placid vale]

I wanted to play tank, but after Blizzard saying You guys are too tanky, cant allow that here!!" im thinking of rerolling DPS...

[sick sentinel]

no slime cat

[limpid anchor]

what

Did you play tank?

[severe hatch]

Yep Prot Warr unplayable now, everyone go Guardian Druid

[placid vale]

BrM since MoP

[uneven bramble]

tanks are still the best imo, DPS gets shredded because of the 40% damage buff to enemies and healing is shit lol

[placid vale]

Everything theyve done these days is shit.

Hey, we saw youre pulling entire dungeons in shitty m0, so were gonna nerf ya!! Cheers :3

[limpid anchor]

It seems you haven’t tanked yet

[inland raft]

Ah a brm main, now the saltiness makes sense

[placid vale]

I sure have

[limpid anchor]

Tanks are way too tanky

[inland raft]

Brm did get fd

[whole tulip]

I'm planning to run m+ prot and dps during raids. Dunno why weapon I should craft then

[sick sentinel]

it's not that big of a deal, i promise

[uneven bramble]

how do you know tho

[placid vale]

And thats correct. Im fucking fed up of tanking at this point. Mainly because BrM

[merry umbra]

2h wep needs 2 sparks so rip fury

[sick sentinel]

all said and done we take the same more % dmg over all as other tanks

[wheat phoenix]

Hello from a fellow prot warrior. Anyone know if @shut summit has updated or is updating the fantastic spreadsheet he's been keeping up that tracks Spell Reflect and Spell Block for warriors? Asking for Dragonflight content specifically.

Thanks!

[limpid anchor]

Even if I took 30% more dmg from the last m+ testing, it would still be fine

[merry umbra]

check pins

[inland raft]

Tbf though someone has to be bottom and brm rolled the 1

[placid vale]

They forced nearly all BrMs out of the spec

[whole tulip]

I love how arms is so bad it's not even considered for now. But yeah, rip fury warr

[limpid anchor]

Now we take like what, 13% more ? Still tanky af, that’s the same as all other tanks

[uneven bramble]

in +20's? or how about mythic raiding. i havent tested anything but after the M+ changes it could get spicy

[mellow quartz]

30% more damage is less than 3 key levels

[uneven bramble]

right now 100% tanks can literally tank anything. they cant die

[wheat phoenix]

Very nice, thanks.

[solid granite]

Since BrM & WW share the same secondaries, go WW in m+ and blast like a madman & play BrM in raid

[limpid anchor]

Like mythic raid the few bosses I did were a joke, m+ I only did 15-17s but tank dmg wasn’t the issue their either

[placid vale]

Dont like WW

[limpid anchor]

Tanks are still strong

[inland raft]

And thats a good thing

[strong forum]

Last time I heard about dps war it was said that arms is better for raid

[minor helm]

Arms owns

[limpid anchor]

For 2 bosses

[uneven bramble]

pretty sure fury is just better in every way

[minor helm]

[solid granite]

that - however - is your problem

[limpid anchor]

Rest fury is just better

[placid vale]

5 tanks are still strong. 1 isnt unless your healer is a monster.

[inland raft]

Tanks should worry more about planning pulls, positioning, etc instead of having to worry about every global

They got it right

[limpid anchor]

and that’s still the case

[inland raft]

Hopefully they font fuck it

[limpid anchor]

Just that your healer might heal you twice in a dungeon

[uneven bramble]

lmao

[limpid anchor]

Instead of 0 times

[inland raft]

Ya i know, nerfs mean nothing

[noble lynx]

Kind funny watching a brm onetrick complain how its not the go-to raid tank after 8 years

[solid granite]

hopefully they font fuckduck it

[uneven bramble]

the ignore pain nerf and the BV nerf made it where we probably will get wrecked

[solid granite]

FTFY

[strong forum]

🙂

[placid vale]

I couldnt care less about raids. Its about m+

And community perception in PUGs.

[limpid anchor]

I wonder if brm got too complicated and now you roll pwar

[placid vale]

Good luck getting invited as a BrM

Mhm

[solid granite]

still kinda is tho, raid brm still is fantastic

[noble lynx]

Do your own keys

[tawdry cove]

If tank survivability remains a non issue, and its usually the dps that need the healing.. Prot warrior would be the worst tank

[limpid anchor]

I wouldn’t invite brm just out of spite

[placid vale]

BrM was never complicated

[inland raft]

Im a prot one trick, and i just roll with it. When you one trick you have to accept being shit sometimes

[strong forum]

And thats very likely going to be the case

[modern brook]

Imagine inviting tanks

[noble lynx]

Wtb safeguard

[strong forum]

People are pretending that tanks surv is going to be the limiting factor of m+

[limpid anchor]

I mean, dmg wise pwar doesn’t seem to be top, and every other tank is tanky af as well, so prob not the best in the long run

[strong forum]

When it's the dps surv that will limit it

[small coral]

Prot will still most likely end up being the strongest m+ regardless

[uneven bramble]

they should just buff tanks. so M+ groups are 4 tanks and a healer. yes please

[limpid anchor]

Why?

[strong forum]

Prot yes, but pally

[inland raft]

Tbf tank survival was primary thing for quite a while people gotta adjust to nee reality still

[strong forum]

Prot war will the easiest to get into higher keys

But topend keys pally will be better

[limpid anchor]

Has every pally spec brez?

[strong forum]

Yes

And only prot is instant

[potent gulch]

why frozen devotion isn't in raidbots?

[fathom goblet]

Why prot pally ?

[limpid anchor]

Then pally is already huge just for brez

[potent gulch]

or i can't charm it on 1head?

[uneven bramble]

is pally the easiest tank? im a one trick warrior

[placid vale]

Oh damn, prot brez is instant?

And healer isnt? Crazy

[strong forum]

Enable "all enchants"

[fathom goblet]

Prot warrior dont tanke damage regarding they key lvl

[astral crystal]

pally has nutty burst and massive group utility

[small coral]

cost 3 holy power

[limpid anchor]

Kinda hard casting as a tank

[strong forum]

And is super tanky too

[whole tulip]

Prot warrior is best if you want to complaint about everyone else dying before you do

[solid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-what-im-saying-thats-what-i-mean-i-told-you-so-exactly-angell-conwell-gif-15498109

[placid vale]

Run away then cast xd

[limpid anchor]

You think other tanks die?

[noble lynx]

You will always have a druid

[slim zinc]

Decently easy to learn, extremely hard to master the full kit

[uneven bramble]

so does anyone know what the mythic raid racers are going for tanks? prot warrior and blood or like maybe DH?

[whole tulip]

Your other dps and healers will die first

[astral crystal]

we'll find out soon

[tacit gorge]

but for a normal human it doesnt matter prot warrior or prot paly because normal humans dont push wf keys?

[strong forum]

It could be any tank

[slim zinc]

I have suspicions but we'll see soon

[strong forum]

Literally any

All of them rock for raiding

[uneven bramble]

brewmaster?

[placid vale]

Group damage is wild in keys this season

[potent gulch]

thank you

[uneven bramble]

lol

[slim zinc]

I wouldn't be surprised if we see 4+ different tank specs in top 3

[strong forum]

Brm is brm, always good in raid
Bdk is grip
Guardian is dps King
Pwar is 2nd dps and rally
Vdh is super solid

[uneven bramble]

2nd dps and rally TRUE

[slim zinc]

Vdh kinda depends, they would need to embrace the degeneracy to get the numbers

[uneven bramble]

im kinda curious how many things warrior can reflect in raid 🤔 havent tested any

[strong forum]

Solid nonetheless

[cobalt seal]

Hmm

[noble lynx]

I would say raszageth beam might be an issue for some specs, but not sure how it works exactly

[cobalt seal]

Math doesnt check out

[strong forum]

Check sheet

[cobalt seal]

Meyra

[inland raft]

Bring back dw prot so we truly become a dps while not tanking

[cobalt seal]

[solid granite]

ppally is double/triple immunity & lots of cooldowns

[limpid anchor]

Ye but opens up to other comps

With an additional brez

[open gazelle]

Todays the big day boys

[slim zinc]

Top 3 guilds will have 6 tanks, learn to count noob

😄

[open gazelle]

Stock up on consumes

[strong forum]

I did on weekend

When it was cheaper

[inland raft]

When do servers come back up?

[uneven bramble]

oh shit nice

[noble lynx]

You just scammed yourself

[cobalt seal]

That was about raiding?

[strong forum]

Yes

[solid granite]

off topic: why must winter be so cold 😦

[strong forum]

Raiding rn is a 6 headed race, all tanks have potential

[uneven bramble]

we shall see

[strong forum]

Most people prepared pwar/vdh

But pally is right there

Same as bdk

[open gazelle]

@noble lynx I’m selling consumes on thrall and tich

[solid granite]

i prep'd pwar, ppally & BrM

[strong forum]

Guardian and brm, less likely but still potential

[noble lynx]

Then you scammed others pog

Big bank

[cobalt seal]

You ready to get rank 1 on pwar?

[fathom goblet]

Pwar, vdh and guardian here

[limpid anchor]

Still don’t know how to feel about bdk tbh

[strong forum]

Bdk is super immortal

[cinder storm]

The best part is not getting to sit on queue because you are playing pwar

[cobalt seal]

And does insane dmg

[open gazelle]

Go big or go home

[slim zinc]

BDK doesn't die and if played will it pumps

[inland raft]

What would you do as second char, pally or vdh? I kinda wanna level an alt but idk which want, ive only ever player pally once before so fact that its still newish to me is attractive, but dh means i can havoc when dont wanna tank and i do like havoc

[placid vale]

Bdk is immortal until it gets oneshot xD

[cobalt seal]

Go for it sense

[strong forum]

Yeah and that doesn't happen in raid lol

[open gazelle]

I like pally

[limpid anchor]

That’s kinda the issue I have in m+

[placid vale]

Eeeexactly

[open gazelle]

Makes sense

[noble lynx]

I just expect that shit to not work off of absorbs like muehzalah that would make bdk kinda bad against it compared to war/brm/vdh

[solid granite]

ppally, cuz the 'new' ppally plays like a treat

[limpid anchor]

Especially with the 10% nerf

[uneven bramble]

is there gameplay of raszageth at all?

[solid granite]

very rewarding playstyle imho

[uneven bramble]

cant find any clips of raszageth but reading the journal makes me hyped. sounds cool

[strong forum]

🤷‍♂️

[outer thorn]

not what youre asking for but theres a quest in Azure Span where you get to see her flailing around her cute little trex arms 🙂

[strong forum]

Raszageth wasny tested publicly

[tender cove]

Been thinking about something. How everyone says tanking is the easiest, tanking is faceroll and so on. But you never really see this translate into reality.
Its far more rare to see a good tank than it is to see a good dps or healer?
So where does this sentiment come from? Why are so many trying to ridicule the tank role when so few can actually manage to play it?

[uneven bramble]

LOL

[uneven bramble]

ahhh, that makes sense

[noble lynx]

Its rare to see a good dps and a good healer as well

Your bars are just low

[fathom goblet]

Dps is the mediocre role

[noble lynx]

And only watch dps meters

[open gazelle]

Healing is most difficult imo

[fathom goblet]

Healer is the real carry

[strong forum]

Raid tanking is easier cuz you have 5 healers and tons of externals carrying your ass, most of tank mechanics itself are quickly figured out and you just do your clockwork taunt on 5 and position yourself

That's why people say raid tanking is very easy

Super easy to get carried

Nobody cares if yiu do well

[modern brook]

Because tanking isnez

[inland raft]

Becomes tanks are unkillable so tou dont gave to particularly be good for lower level content, bad healer and bad dps mean they die leaving the tank standing around

[strong forum]

Outside of high ned

[tender cove]

I dont really hear people differniate between content and its just flat out "tanks are easy"

[fathom goblet]

M+ tank not so much

[uneven bramble]

aint that the truth

[noble lynx]

And surviving is not challenging at all after 1 week of moderate m+ spam

In raid

[outer thorn]

Meanwhile in m+: "Oh youre a tank? Name every mechanic."

[strong forum]

M+ tanking is one of the hardest roles

Nobody said m+ tanking is easy

[fathom goblet]

There is only 3 roles my dear

[modern brook]

Yeah so hard u need 5 of em

Smh

Tanking is free

[noble lynx]

4

[fathom goblet]

4 ?

[inland raft]

I still need to lesrn the boss mechs in dungeons, only just finished leveling so havnt messed around yet

[noble lynx]

Melee and ranged dps

[fathom goblet]

Lol

[noble lynx]

Arent same

[fathom goblet]

Dps is dps

[strong forum]

Nah

[warm plinth]

anyone else notice there's a shocking amount of pendants in this chat lately

[strong forum]

Ranged dps can sleep in raid

[warm plinth]

pedants*

[modern brook]

Yeah fotm

[tender cove]

Yeh, you dont have to be good at anything doing m0, what argument is this? xD

[whole tulip]

Melee a.k.a. kickbots in m+

[jagged pier]

One of the reasons they made most tanks easier to play and strong. BUT NO TANKS ARENT ALLOWED TO STRONG. Because its unfun for some reason

[inland raft]

Its just about perception

[cinder storm]

Wait until their carpal tunnel kicks in, then we are back to shadowlands level chat

[uneven bramble]

i fell in love with tank because of M+ routing. idk its fun

[jagged pier]

We arent as fast as SL so its fine

[inland raft]

Yet

[noble lynx]

M+ tanking is fun cause youre the leader

[grave crane]

Big word for my small brain so I’ll assume it’s disrespect

[noble lynx]

M+ tanking is unfun cause youre expected to do everything

[tender cove]

Because it comes at the expense of dps having fun and ruining dps egos.

[whole tulip]

This 100%

[outer thorn]

being pedantic means being overly nitpicky over details sort of

[noble lynx]

From inviting the group, planning route, calling kicks and stops, 'raid leading' etc

[uneven bramble]

i feel thart makes it more fun tbh. there is a ton of pressure on tanks

[warm plinth]

Pedants are people who are overly concerned with minor details or like to show off their "knowledge"

[grave crane]

I mean I googled it guys I’m just being a stereotypical warrior big and dumb

[solid granite]

This 'tanking to easy, tanks to powerful' is literally the same discussion you have in MOBA's where supports are said to be 'to easy, to powerful', when in reality the supports do the heavy lifting while the dps smash buttons and work on their epeen

[cinder storm]

Tbc, healers are often the real OGs, they constantly have to fix dps mistakes

[noble lynx]

League support is faceroll role tho

[modern brook]

Honestly tanks are awkward because if they produce dps level dps numbers there is no reason to take dps. If they're able to survive on their own, the need for a healer is also diminished

[grave crane]

Also how will the nerfs affect my push group? I just started tanking warrior cause dratnos had it high up on his tier list

[modern brook]

If you have both, 5 tank is unironically the best comp

[noble lynx]

It doesnt

[uneven bramble]

i wouldn't say that, a good DPS will destroy a tanks dps

[modern brook]

??????

[edgy grail]

You can increase the need of a healer by increasing the damage the whole groups take

[tender cove]

Thats just tuning encounters though.

[whole tulip]

There have been moments in wow history when 5 Blood DKs has been more than a meme already

[sharp bone]

no mistakes to fix if dps get oneshot by their own mistakes in higher keys pepelaugh

[noble lynx]

If only there was a mechanic in the past that made tanks do dmg when they were actually tanking

[modern brook]

It's a hypothetical holy shit

[edgy grail]

While still keeping tanks strong

[noble lynx]

🥲

[strong forum]

Bdk has that

[jagged pier]

How does tank being strong stop dps from doing their job as dps thats makes no sene

[strong forum]

🤣

[modern brook]

It's not tho? That's almost entirely interclass balance

[uneven mason]

This is how the Paladin discord always is, wonder who rerolled warrior

[noble lynx]

You mean the bonesplash shit?

[strong forum]

Bdk does fuckall dmg if they don't get to tank

Yeah

[grave crane]

Cause they not exploding bone shards everywhere

[uneven mason]

That boneshield explosion crap is insanely OP

[noble lynx]

Gotta sit in dnd right

[uneven mason]

for 1 ability

[solid granite]

If tanks were 'weak' and unfun to play, all the DPS would cry - as they did countless times in the past - that there are no tanks for conent.

[uneven mason]

I leveled my BDK and it's my #1 ability most pulls

[noble lynx]

This "no tanks" is an NA thing

[mortal brook]

https://twitter.com/jdotb/status/1595228757027131394

jb (@jdotb)

tanks should do more dmg than dps

they've earned it

"but if tanks--"

oh NOW you've got opinions unlike when the tank was asking if you liked pull 13 in the mdt they gave you that you didn't even import

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[fathom goblet]

No itens not

[noble lynx]

It feels like plenty of tanks in eu always

[solid granite]

it seriously isn't

[tender cove]

Because one of the worst insults you can give a dps is "you couldn't even beat the tank on dps" or "you can barley beat the tank on dps wtf"... Add that they keep dying like flies to avoidable mechanics.
This creates animosity towards tank and how they are ruining the fun for dps. This isn't smt new to df though.

[fathom goblet]

@noble lynx eu has more players in general

[cinder storm]

It's not an insult, well yeah, but a deserved one

[noble lynx]

Yes but thats irrelevant

[grave crane]

It’s a player thing since most players want to zone out and do damage not try to not die and lead or route the m+

[uneven mason]

Going to say it

[noble lynx]

Would expect a same ratio in player orientation

[fathom goblet]

And it is

[uneven mason]

People who live in the EU are less likely to be "Instant Gratification, consolation trophy" raised babies

[cinder storm]

Dpsing is like that kid singing in the blue chair

[mortal brook]

gonna need some metrics on that one

[noble lynx]

And i feel like NA would be a better region as well to foster tank players cause less toxic

[fathom goblet]

I play eu and us its equivalent

Eu is way far toxic

[wet flume]

Lol

[uneven bramble]

Ragnaros best server. no toxic people at all

[fathom goblet]

There is no limit on how EU players can br toxic

[noble lynx]

Which one

[grave crane]

Yeah the least toxic people I’ve ever played with online

[uneven mason]

I'm pretty sure last time i had a healer from Ragnaros they spent the dungeon meleeing...as a priest

[uneven bramble]

LOL

is there a server that gets more shit than rag? cause man lol

[edgy grail]

Azralon maybe? 😂

[lusty tiger]

Ragnaros arena pugs have actually been some of my favorite pugs

[astral crystal]

ragchads

[cinder storm]

Azralon, and illidan imo

[solid granite]

i'd wonder if there's anyone here from my tiny EU server xD

[fathom goblet]

Azralon has good players

[solid granite]

but i take a small server over one of the big 5 of Europe

[warm plinth]

Fucking hate the shit people say about those realms

[fathom goblet]

But after some weeks you filter players by IO score not by server

[sleek current]

I'm on EU-Stormscale and I rarely if ever deal with toxic players. I do however see a lot of US redditors saying they got kicked from LFG for doing low DPS.

It's all... Up in the air really. Unless you've got a giant table with all the stats... It's an irrelevant conversation.

[solid granite]

EU turkish nether & kazzak are toxic tho 🙂