protection

[torn gulch]

i was lucky and got a 385 one hander from rares

[lusty grotto]

that needs to be stunned/feared

[torn gulch]

enkine was a bro

for me

[lusty grotto]

cant be kicked

weavers?

anyway that dungeon isnt in the pool

[strong forum]

I didn't get a single item from todays rares

[lusty grotto]

but still good to know

[torn gulch]

what's your ilvl nome?

[strong forum]

Tomorrow we do our m0 tour in hopes of matrixes and maybe snipe a trinket or 2

383 in bags

[mighty valley]

god can't wait to learn what hurts in shadowmoon for the first time ever

[torn gulch]

and on you?

[strong forum]

382

[torn gulch]

lol that's more than enough

i'm 381 as well

[strong forum]

Ofc it is

But want moar

[strong forum]

[sick sentinel]

im 368 and thats good enough for me

[torn gulch]

is void slash still bad in there?

[lusty grotto]

speaking about SMB, were the void spawns nerfed?

[neon elk]

Guess 3ilvl on wep is more than 6 ilvl on chest, right ?

[torn gulch]

or was it nerfed

[strong forum]

Void slash got gibbed

[lusty grotto]

oh

great

[strong forum]

The healing reduction is nerfed

Removed*

[torn gulch]

that was hitting like a freight train on full steam

[lusty grotto]

thank fucking god

[strong forum]

And the dmg of it got halved

[torn gulch]

it's ok bosses won't be bad it's fort

and raging

[modern brook]

Sbm?

[lusty grotto]

shadowmoon burial

lol

[modern brook]

Oh I forgot that dogshit is in my game again

[lusty grotto]

lol

[mighty valley]

smash brothers melee

[lusty grotto]

fort AND raging

[mighty valley]

skill based matchmaking

[lusty grotto]

are you sure?

[torn gulch]

what do you mean it's a very good dungeon /s

[modern brook]

I was thinking stupid big monkey 🦍

[lusty grotto]

lmao that's gonna be fun

[strong forum]

If fort raging actually happens

[torn gulch]

fort/raging/quaking/thundering

[strong forum]

All tank discords will go up on flames

[lusty grotto]

fort and raging combo hasnt been a thing in forever

[strong forum]

It was in SL

S3 I think

[lusty grotto]

but thats gonna be fun

[torn gulch]

it was first in the 10 week rotation

[modern brook]

Good do it

[strong forum]

Assuming that that rotation is how it's gonna go down

[modern brook]

Weed then out now

[strong forum]

You never know

[lusty grotto]

cant wait until people realize dps/heals hasnt been talenting soothe

[torn gulch]

we'll see tommorow in NA

if they changed it

[strong forum]

Yeah

[mighty valley]

pull huge, grind everything down evenly to raging level, die - "stupid tank nerfs"

[strong forum]

It's gonna be the ultimate reality check

[torn gulch]

soothe? never met her

[strong forum]

For alot of people

Fort raging week1 of DF m+

So many people will cry

[modern brook]

Bro guaranteed

[torn gulch]

plus the difficulty of the dungeons itself

with low gear for week 1

[strong forum]

Yeah it's gonna be huge

[torn gulch]

will be a spicy week

[strong forum]

Hardest 2 m+ weeks right off the bat

[modern brook]

Are timers known yet?

[strong forum]

All of em

[torn gulch]

all of them

[modern brook]

Any seem tight?

[torn gulch]

biggest is 40 for notgood

[strong forum]

They changed some of them after beta went down

[modern brook]

Cause that's ultimately the difficulty decider

[strong forum]

Na none seem tight

[torn gulch]

if i am not mistoaken

[lusty grotto]

whats week 2?

tyr and what

[strong forum]

Tyr grievous

[modern brook]

LMAO

[lusty grotto]

LMAOOOo

[torn gulch]

we have 30,30,30,32,32,35,38,40 i think

[lusty grotto]

holy shit hahaha

[modern brook]

I appreciate that Ivan but that means nothing to me :^)

[lusty grotto]

im not even fucking upset, those combos are amazing

[strong forum]

Timer for totjs is beyond stupid easy

[torn gulch]

ok i'll give you the names

[modern brook]

Nah no need

[strong forum]

Even with 2 full wipes you can +3

[modern brook]

Thank you tho

[torn gulch]

yea temple being 35 is giga free

like wtf

[modern brook]

"No tight timer" is all I needed

[torn gulch]

temple should've been 32 or 30

[sick sentinel]

30-35 minutes is best timer

[torn gulch]

but 35 is fine because it's easier to time

[sick sentinel]

40 minutes too long

[torn gulch]

notgood is 40

[strong forum]

They heavily nerfed Hall of valor timer

[torn gulch]

45 to 38 for halls

[strong forum]

And wasn't up for testing since

None of the keys were

[torn gulch]

but they reworked trash

[strong forum]

Ye

And also added more

[modern brook]

For fucking what

[strong forum]

So it's not as empty

[torn gulch]

i don't know but that's the timer

[modern brook]

Notgood is like

7? Pulls and a skip

[torn gulch]

ruby 30, court 30, academy 32, burial 33, vaults 34, jade 35, halls 38, notgood 40
is that correct nome?

[drifting juniper]

hey man, do we use seeing red like shadowlands? mostly on SS then into revenge or we can use it on TC now

[torn gulch]

that is what i remember

[strong forum]

Si

[drifting juniper]

thanks

[strong forum]

You can use it on TC just like in SL, now the target threshold is 5 during avatar

And still 6 outside of it

[lusty grotto]

god i cant stop laughing at these affixes

blizzard is such a troll

xD

[drifting juniper]

ah at shadowlands i barely used it on Tc even in aoe

[torn gulch]

yea if they stay like that first 2 weeks will be mega spice

[lusty grotto]

gonna be giga fun seeing reactions

[torn gulch]

i'm loving it tbh

i will need industrial levels of popcorn

for reactions

[lusty grotto]

for real

[tropic sundial]

"I was doing 15 for max loot before in sl, I'm sure I can do 20s week 1 with fortified raging!"

[torn gulch]

i mean blizzard said that a 20 should not be what 15 used to be

but people will still gonna complain big time

[lusty grotto]

lol yea

[modern brook]

15s are still 15s to my knowlesge

[tropic sundial]

It's even worse, 20 is like 22 before with new scaling I think

[modern brook]

Which isn't exactly saying anything

[torn gulch]

yep because of 8-10% change from 10 onwards

[strong forum]

People have dumb expectations now

Just because m+ offers max loot at 20s they think they're entitled to it

[modern brook]

Excuse me I have the cobalt assembly ring

[lusty grotto]

just remember we will play with nonexistent soothe

[modern brook]

I am owed +2'd 20s

[torn gulch]

+2 20's at 420 ilvl

[lusty grotto]

yeah lol

[strong forum]

100% people will complain that +20s are too hard, and they're being gate kept from max loot

[sick sentinel]

blizzard is making it raging week one because they want to promote the hunter druid meta

[tropic sundial]

The utility talents from dps is definitely going to be an issue lol

[strong forum]

Forums will burn

[hazy bronze]

Evoker pog

[modern brook]

Good

[lusty grotto]

cant wait to see dps drop from enraged aoes

[modern brook]

Gate keep em

[torn gulch]

in my opinion they should've gone further and added valor upgrades to all 25's with like 1k valor per step for those last steps

[sick sentinel]

everyone will have to invite druids and hunters week 1, so they will see some huntard doing i dunno, 200k dps

[modern brook]

420 is only for 420 gamers tbh

[sick sentinel]

and then OMG hunter big pp

[strong forum]

You only get 750 valor per week :

10k is a bit much

[lusty grotto]

ah man, going back to capped valor

[hard vessel]

If 20s are like s1 shadowlands most people will never reach them

[torn gulch]

was a misswrite

[strong forum]

Yeah...

[sick sentinel]

is that something evokers can do now too? cool

[lusty grotto]

feelsbadman

[strong forum]

Not uncapping valor is dumb

[torn gulch]

i mean you can't have uncapped valor week 1 and you know very well why

but 2-3 months into the patch of course

uncap it

[lusty grotto]

yeah i hope they uncap it for sure

felt really good in s4

[hard vessel]

Valor doesn't matter, just give tiermaker in week 1 or 2

[torn gulch]

uncap it in 10.x.5 every patch

basically

[lusty grotto]

yeah the catalyst 6 week wait is fucking insane too

8 week?

i dont even know how much it is

[hard vessel]

Week 6 is the time to get my 1st tier, same like last time

[pallid quiver]

it is such a shame that the playerbase shoots itself out of uncapped valor week 1

[torn gulch]

you'll have 4 set 10 weeks if you only m+

[pallid quiver]

it was very nice in SL S4

[torn gulch]

uncapped valor week 1 will never happen and i understand why

season 4 was an experiment

[lusty grotto]

it def shouldnt be put in like week 1/2

but the wait is way too long

[torn gulch]

2-3 months in a 6 months patch is more than enough

for uncapped valor

[lusty grotto]

same as if they didnt uncap valor at all during the season, which is likely

like SL s1

[torn gulch]

i think they will uncap in x.5 every season

i have a feeling

[lusty grotto]

well here's hoping

[torn gulch]

because then you can quickly have fun with alts

with uncapped valor

[cinder storm]

Fun? Not in my game - Blizz

[crude spruce]

for folks who got their shields built i'm so confused on if i need to bother getting higher quality mats for this thing or not

can people make the high quality shield yet?

[torn gulch]

i mean you want a 5 star shield

[crude spruce]

absolutely

but i'm confused if that's possible rn with blacksmiths

[torn gulch]

which for now goes to 392 or 405 if you were a freak

both 392 and 405 is possibke

if you find the right crafter

[prisma crane]

i think that you should be able to remove valor used for a slot if you put it into an item of the same slot

[autumn urchin]

yes

[prisma crane]

removes some of the wasted feeling when you get an upgrade

[autumn urchin]

you have to have used your specialization points right

[prisma crane]

ppl just hoard til bis and that sucks

[torn gulch]

yea if you want a 392 or 405 shield you want a bs fully specialised in shields

[autumn urchin]

is possible

[torn gulch]

most likely

well....

[cinder storm]

as a true warrior

[torn gulch]

it's ok you get one every 2 weeks

[plush saffron]

now you don't have to worry

[torn gulch]

i'm waiting for second spark and i'll prob craft shield and weapon and keep my third spark for neck

and after that i'll see prob a ring

that is what i'll do

doesn't mean it's the best way

[plush saffron]

im getting the hearth shield, mostly for the mog

[torn gulch]

you want better members of the community to weight in on my choices

[mighty valley]

i know this sounds like insanity, but if you're not sure what mats to use or what quality is available, people have started to use trade chat for its intended purpose

[last crest]

do we know our bis trinkets for season yet ?

[mighty valley]

can be worth asking around

[brave temple]

Guys what trinkets are we looking at

[lusty grotto]

[brave temple]

God tier questions

Gotta ask like 49 times

[lusty grotto]

of course

[brave temple]

Otherwise whats the point of life

[torn gulch]

we do not know exaclty what's the bis for now

we'll see

[brave temple]

Ouf

Think we can quit

Yeh

Isnt horn from valor good for dps tankers

[torn gulch]

i have the brimming lifepod at 372

it's ok-ish

so so

[brave temple]

Ye i got that one

385

[tulip kelp]

Does anyone know if/what valor cap will be?

[brave temple]

Full dps on it or ure not true tank

[brave temple]

Prolly 1k 2k

Exacly

My guy

[torn gulch]

i was trolling a bit and i got to 800-900k effective health with last stand+ignore pain, cobalt ansembly ring and the bubble bonus from shell

and the lifepod trinket

[brave temple]

Cobalt gonna get nerfed right

Otherwise its bis

Until end oc the patch

[torn gulch]

we'll see in proper content

how good it is

[brave temple]

Ye

[torn gulch]

in m0 it absorbed between 10-15% of my entire healing

but it's m0

basically nothing

[lusty grotto]

cobalt got nerfed in pvp already

[cyan folio]

so WHICH fucking secondary stat do we want first

every guide say something different

[pallid quiver]

i'm pretty sure every legitimate guide i've seen says haste

makes the spec smoother, on average highest defense benefit, and still gives decent damage

[lusty grotto]

have you checked the pins?

[pallid quiver]

also

ye that

[lusty grotto]

all guides say the same thing

what guides have you been reading that say something other than what we have in the pins?

[plain vapor]

Demoralizing Shout now reduces damage taken by 20% (was 25%).
Ignore Pain now ignores 50% of damage taken (was 55%).

[lusty grotto]

both Icy Veins and Wowhead should be absolutely the same on secondaries

[mellow quartz]

Good, means they don’t want to change anything meaningful

[lusty grotto]

Good once again it doesn't mean anything lol

[torn gust]

hecc

[gritty swallow]

bro were dead now

dead class dead spec

reroll monk

[torn gust]

^

[lusty grotto]

pack it up folks

[fading quiver]

reroll rockbiter shaman

[pallid quiver]

im deleting my warrior right now

[patent quiver]

nah man Vengeance, 10s AOE silence still in the game

😛

[pallid quiver]

ive been betrayed, cheated, absolutely swindled

[gritty swallow]

my warrior is already in the shadowland

destroyed

[torn gust]

unsubbing

[gritty swallow]

elite tactics

[torn gust]

giving up my role as main tank for raid

[dry falcon]

unplayable gg boys

[gritty swallow]

its like holding a gun to their heads

[uncut notch]

sadge

[lusty grotto]

OH NO

[pliant thunder]

Guys any way to track blocked dmg?

[sick sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-leonardo-dicaprio-django-unchained-meme-gif-18513725

[mellow quartz]

Logs

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/zombie-land-comedy-crying-upset-sad-gif-3457380

[unique loom]

Why do they even keep warriors in the game if they don't want them to tank or do anything good

Dead class

[pliant thunder]

Not possible with details or weakaura?

[unique loom]

Just delete from game

[wintry mortar]

so is prot dead now?

[icy citrus]

Isnt that bad right?? 😂

[dusk moth]

KEKW people saying prot is dead lmao

[torn gulch]

it's so dead /s

[torn gust]

yup just delete the game

[sullen patio]

Yes

[lusty grotto]

holy shit lmao

[uneven mason]

I have a dwarf in deck incase they nerf warriors

[lusty grotto]

can we post that screen more

in the last 30 seconds

[sick sentinel]

Protection: Vanguard no longer reduces damage taken (was 5% damage reduction). Defensive Stance now reduces damage taken by 15% (was 20%). Damage reduction remains unchanged at 10% effectiveness in PVP. Demoralizing Shout now reduces damage taken by 20% (was 25%). Ignore Pain now ignores 50% of damage taken (was 55%).

[lusty grotto]

ahahaha

[sick sentinel]

prot fine or?

[torn gulch]

:))))))))))))))))))))))))))

[median niche]

HR or into the fray for m plus?

[uneven mason]

Hr

[gritty swallow]

prot dead

[unique loom]

Prot dead, roll paladin

[torn gust]

hr

[silent spade]

Hey just just came in. It seems like we are on fire time to reroll to BRM for better defensive right?

[torn gulch]

howlix you came at the wrong time mate

[frank hemlock]

JUMP BOAT FAST

[median niche]

what happened?

[strong orchid]

Did we get another nerf?

[frank hemlock]

ITS SINKING

[torn gust]

omega nerf

[lean oxide]

monk nerf still bigger than warrior nerf

[neon gulch]

anyone have an updated tierlist after most recent prot nerfs? /s

[sick sentinel]

i told u all

we gettin the giga nerf

[coral sierra]

prot = D tier

[strong orchid]

Wot… they did another one recently?

[sick sentinel]

i know from the start

[strong orchid]

Lol

[twilit gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-oh-no-anyway-gif-18887547

[unique loom]

Why even go prot now, just tank as fury

[toxic pewter]

these nerfs are simply reverting the buffs we got back in sl tbh

[unique loom]

Just as squishy

[sick sentinel]

Yogi shaking in his boots right now

[torn gulch]

i mean look around
now for your question: into the fray might help with the low haste we have now and HR if you want to get 100% shield block uptime

[uneven mason]

People just can't shut up about the fact we're not a dumpster fire for an xpac release

[sick sentinel]

oh no

im scared once again

and will quit my protection warrior shield loving ways

[frank hemlock]

wtf you mean? we're literally a dumpster fire after today nerfs

[strong orchid]

When did they release this?

[frank hemlock]

like, literally

[torn gulch]

now

[lusty grotto]

im sorry to hear that yogi, see ya in 5 mins though?

[sick sentinel]

ohhhhhhhh noooooooooooooooooo PROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBAAAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[torn gust]

5 min ago

[strong orchid]

Where the blue post

Fuck me

[lusty grotto]

MOAR

[eager schooner]

New nerfs every reset going forward

[severe hatch]

Babe it's time for the weekly prot warrior nerfs

[lean oxide]

tbf it still strong

[worldly ermine]

We are dead go reroll rn

[sick sentinel]

wait wait wait hold

[noble spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-song-invader-zim-gir-gif-7674344

[chrome falcon]

they could remove demo shout and we'd still be too tanky

[pliant thunder]

Well guys it's not just prot war nerfe

[severe hatch]

Pretty needed

[pallid quiver]

no we're ded

[deft hazel]

ngl im just worried if they will nerf even more after week 1

[blazing dirge]

Hey guys did you see…. Jk i cant lol

[lusty grotto]

[mellow quartz]

Those are several days old

[sick sentinel]

is this not just the 2 nerfs plus the other 2 nerfs?

[worldly ermine]

5% oh no :'(((((((((((((((((((

[mellow quartz]

Already knew that.

[pallid quiver]

can't you see all the people typing it?

[uncut notch]

yes

[mellow quartz]

All tanks got the other nerfs as well

[torn gust]

if i dont see the nerfs it wont affect me

[worldly ermine]

We are dead :'((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

[toxic pewter]

both demo shout and IP were increased like 4 months ago... its not even a big nerf

[vocal vessel]

it's worth noting that the vanguard DR loss was when the other tanks all lost 10% DR straight up

[sick sentinel]

explain how bad it is

[torn gulch]

jump ship to vdh

[lusty grotto]

its fine, we're memeing

[placid vale]

Why wont let warriors alone and fucking buff BrM dumpster fire...

[blazing dirge]

I always forget to hit demo shout so no nerf for me!

[strong orchid]

I think we are too strong rn tbh… 😬

[sick sentinel]

BDK king

[strong orchid]

If we are tooooo good, then we’ll get fucked

[worldly ermine]

@sick sentinel The nerf is w/e 5% is nothing kekw

[unique loom]

Funny how the nerf comes right before raids release, they don't want warriors tanking raids

[sick sentinel]

BDK re-rollers INC

[uncut notch]

SHHHHHHHHHHH

[toxic pewter]

i dont meme when it comes to prot warr

[placid vale]

Theyre sooooo worried about warriors theyre forgetting other tanks exist

[vocal vessel]

wait i mean, close the discord. the spec is dead 😭

[short mantle]

😆

[strong orchid]

We gotta lay low a bit, boys!

[lean oxide]

im more worried about BRM nerf than recent warrior nerfs LMAO

[pallid quiver]

but that's damage you're missing

[deft hazel]

[uncut notch]

yeah those boys are having a WILD time

[worldly ermine]

Spec is dead go reroll to Prot paladin boi

[lean oxide]

i can imagine

[lusty grotto]

[wanton shale]

did yall see Rextroy's vid soloing M0 as dps? Unholy DK. They'll nerf that now

[strong orchid]

Fuck it. I’m going back to swashbuckler tank.

[unique loom]

Whats BRM

[vocal vessel]

where were u when prot is kill?

[uncut notch]

10/10

[mellow quartz]

The 5% on IP and 5% on demo shout are worse than they were before but you won’t feel any difference whatsoever. If anything will allow IP to not break as fast.

[hollow parcel]

Im serious all the nerds complaining about how op this spec is need to chill and let us have our moment

[sick sentinel]

hide behind rock/wood has been and will continue to be, THE PREMIER ADN MOST EFFECTIVE WAY to stay alive PERIOD

thus protection warrior always op

[torn gust]

just as long as they dont nerf my dmg

[strong orchid]

They want people to tank, but then nerf all the tanks before s1

[strange lintel]

welcome to kite meta 2.0 boys

[strong orchid]

😂

[unique loom]

Inc damage nerfs, revenge 50% damage reduction

[strong orchid]

Too many tanks now?

[uncut notch]

Its the way of the world, SVH gets a season, BDK gets two seasons, Warlocks have had 2 decades. we got 2 weeks

[strange lintel]

can blizzad leave us the fuck alone already

[worldly ermine]

-70% revenge nerf inc

[lusty grotto]

[hollow parcel]

I mean if prot is nerefed further might as well remove the tank role from the game

[sick sentinel]

its fine, pwar is completely busted right now anyways

[torn gulch]

you did not play 8.3?

[uncut notch]

Unironically no

But have heard of the dream

the promised land

[torn gulch]

then you won't know that we were very good back then as well

[uncut notch]

Clapping to the top all day every day

[torn gulch]

with 100% vers

[arctic whale]

having some major Legion flashbacks here

[sick sentinel]

did my first m0 world tour this week, completely steamrolled the dungeon

[potent crypt]

qthe nerf is a joke?

[uncut notch]

Well yeah i mean theyre zeroes

[haughty swan]

there are more nerfs to come for op dds after 1-2 raidids then the whining will really beginn this is just the beginning

[torn gulch]

you could do m0 on a 300 ilvl prot warrior

m0 means nothing

[sick sentinel]

nothing even remotely stood a chance against our groups, few dps died, but i never at any point felt a real threat

[prisma crane]

idc about nerfs like that, just buff my dmg, kthx

[strong orchid]

I mean, I think we could take the 5 percent loss.. we were looking a little too big with it 😉

[edgy widget]

[hollow parcel]

It’s all the nerds man who make content on youtube and just want to chat about anything all i hear is prot warrior this and that, because there is nothing else interesting going on, even when we got the first nerf they still had a comment to make bare in mind they end up playing it anyway

[spare mantle]

You could do m0 on a 200 ilvl prot warrior

[sick sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[uncut notch]

Heavy is the head my friend

[vestal torrent]

omg guys we aren't as OP anymore 😠

[lusty grotto]

alright time to smoke bomb the fuck out for a bit ill be back later in the week to see Fort + Raging reactions which will be fucking hilarious

[vestal torrent]

(still pretty OP tho)

[sick sentinel]

I did a m0 world tour on my level 10 prot warrior Steamrolled it

[mellow quartz]

This is probably the best outcome. Hopefully means we won’t see any meaningful nerfs week 2 of raid.

[peak stirrup]

[mellow quartz]

Since they already ‘took care of it’

[hollow parcel]

Can they nerf warlocks instead

[vivid orchid]

im telling you, the only way to ruin prot is to ruin block

[naive laurel]

then IP goes from 50% to 30%, calling it

[hollow parcel]

Can we start talking about warlocks and how broken they are

[haughty swan]

there are more tanks who'll get the nerf bat ^^

[hollow parcel]

Maybe deflect the attention abit or like let us all play BRM for a couple of days and pretend its broken maybe that helps

[haughty swan]

warlock selfheal got nerfed by good 30% as well ^^

[hollow parcel]

No one cares about self heal bro they’re pulling 200k+

[haughty swan]

lets nerf arcane mage instead 300k burst st ^^1

[hollow parcel]

Rogues are broken too

[naive laurel]

we are

[haughty swan]

bm is ok in m+ but meh in st mostly bc of explosive shot

[naive laurel]

jk were absolutely fine

[hollow parcel]

Project reroll hunter if prot is nerfed again?

[south gyro]

are immovable object and unstoppable force still fairly close?

[hybrid peak]

That IP change could almost be seen as a buff, as our damage taken will be smoothed out further

[vestal torrent]

the best part of playing fury is you can swap to prot

not a ton of other specs can do that

[hybrid peak]

[haughty swan]

yeah i am curious what this explicit rare drop chance will be ? 0,0001 % ?

[obtuse charm]

I love the meme doomsaying. It's actually glorious.

[torn gulch]

10^-10%

[peak cypress]

Omg this is giga nerf :/

[vestal torrent]

😢 yeah i know time to roll brew

[mellow quartz]

Thinking abt this IP nerf I am actually a fan. If you are in a sufficient enough damage taken environment where your IP is at risk of breaking without getting refreshed then this is essentially a buff to pwar as taking a bit extra damage with IP up is nothing vs IP breaking and going down and taking full damage.

[vestal torrent]

🤣

[torn gulch]

yes it is giga nerf /s

[vestal torrent]

/s

[mellow quartz]

Pwar buffed. Carling it.

[open gazelle]

Bruh I’m just mad about demo shout

[naive laurel]

prot pala is now s+ tier since we nerfed bois

[spare mantle]

Depends on more than just that, if you can fill ip gaps with stuff like trees or bark its better the other way

[mellow quartz]

20 OR 25% 🤷‍♂️

[toxic pewter]

demo shout literally was 20% forever

till like s4 shadowlands lol or some crap

[vestal torrent]

when did they even change it to 25

[toxic pewter]

like 4 months ago..

[vestal torrent]

yeah i don't even remember

[toxic pewter]

and save witjh IP

[haughty swan]

yeah now you got to use your def cd sometimes what a shame ^^

[toxic pewter]

these arent even nerfs theyre normalizations

[hybrid peak]

The only way it's a nerf if is the boss does consistent big hits like argus mythic phase

[marble cipher]

Is Brutal Vitality fixed though

[spare leaf]

brewmaster new stier tank now calling it

[spare mantle]

Or if you dont take that much damage and u overcap ip

[mellow quartz]

Dont bet on it

[vestal torrent]

brew is the wheelchair tank class rn wtf

[hybrid peak]

👍

[haughty swan]

bm has big problems in consistent magic dps intake

[gritty swallow]

you overcap on IP anyways burning rage

[vestal torrent]

[mellow quartz]

It’s definitely a nerf in almost all situations

[limber patrol]

Soo...our healthbar is now not between 95%-100% anymore but 90%-100%?

[vestal torrent]

quick everyone remove your demo shout binds 😠

[hollow token]

Correck

[haughty swan]

the just want you to enrage with the nerf making you even more furyous 😉

[mellow quartz]

IP was abt 50-60% of your self healing in actual content.

[prisma crane]

we just got weaker against magic imo, that's about it

[limber patrol]

Buuut dmg!!

[mellow quartz]

No

Use case doesn’t change

You just take 10%’ish more magic damage

[prisma crane]

arguably a buff to Brutal Vit because IP doesnt get burned quite as fast

[haughty swan]

gotta reroll to bdk now annoying healers again ^^

[lusty grotto]

yes

[marble cipher]

"how do we fix this BV bug"
"simple, we make IP drop faster"

[prisma crane]

so in that case the nerf made the bug worse lol

[prisma crane]

except this makes it drop slower

[mellow quartz]

This makes IP drop slower….

[limber patrol]

Didn't see from this side. So IP absorbs less dmg means more dmg needed to burn. So only change we wiggle a bit lower than before

[barren orbit]

Sadge

[spare mantle]

Ok but how to tank jade serpent now?

[naive laurel]

you don’t

[mellow quartz]

Same as before

[lusty grotto]

do it this week, skip next

🙂

[mellow quartz]

Use CDs on jade hit

[prisma crane]

broadly yes, the area we'll notice this the most is on large magic hits, as the nerf to DS will hurt that as well as IP cushion

[spare mantle]

But the 2nd boss sir

[naive laurel]

I feel like jade is gonna be the s4 SL karazhan of s1 df

[mellow quartz]

Thought you meant third.

Never had much issue on 2nd boss on beta

[spare mantle]

Both are very annoying

[radiant storm]

WHERE WERE YOU WHEN WARRIOR WAS KILL

[marble cipher]

it's late..... sorry

[mystic island]

how strong was the nerf ?

[radiant storm]

I WAS HOME EAT CEREAL WHEN I HEAR "WARRIOR IS KILL"

[naive laurel]

we’re crying about it

[prisma crane]

anyone know why we got Jade anyways? i always thought it was one of the worst MoP dungeons

[mellow quartz]

Imo I am not unhappy abt this. I had multiple beta keys fighting to keep IP up.

This will make it easier.

[spare mantle]

Oh really? Holy shit!

[mellow quartz]

Imagine what we have been discussing last 30min…

[stable valve]

Probs on par w/ how much vengeance got nerfed the other day

Including the aura nerfs we got as well

[zealous spade]

Dropping my 384 pwar and reroll to FF14

[vestal torrent]

guess I'm gonna have to start wearing a shield...

[naive laurel]

:(

[mellow quartz]

Only 5h 30min?

[mortal brook]

Hello @strong forum i see there are slight changes for the spec. Probably hasnt been enough time to check those changes , and the [item, talent, tier, tooltip, loadout, encounter] might not be testable yet but can i get immediate and urgent updates on how this will surely shift my talent, playstyle, and meta choices? Also please include how i should feel as well. TY in advance

[limber patrol]

Actually no. If we get a biiiig boom of magic IP absorbs at most as 30% of our health. Regardless of it is absorbing 50% or 55%
So if the hit is larger than 60% of our health there is no difference - would burned 50% as well as 55% IP completly

[vestal torrent]

reroll brew

[spare mantle]

First they make war take 5% less dam relative to other tanks, then they buff ip duration by 10%, looking pretty good!

[prisma crane]

fair, but the DS nerf is still a thing too

[lusty grotto]

[limber patrol]

True

[naive laurel]

we might as well not even use DS smh

[prisma crane]

but you are correct if the hit is that large

[stable valve]

Poor nommy mommy 🙁
He doesn’t deserve this abuse

[lusty grotto]

with enough time in this discord you learn that its all satire

[deft vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[stable valve]

I don’t even play protection warrior 😎

[naive laurel]

this is why prot warr mains aren’t dateable, everything is satire

[deft vessel]

We did fine in Shadowlands, we'll be fine now

Just, feels bad

[vestal torrent]

no we aren't dateable because we are ogres irl

[lusty grotto]

im sorry what

i cant feel anything

[mystic island]

So will we continue to be strong or will the last nerf leave other tanks in a better position?

[lusty grotto]

im a woyer

[spare mantle]

Yes

[naive laurel]

we are now s- tier, every other tank is now s+

[deft vessel]

To both questions

[median niche]

is there a weekly quest coming this reset like doing 4 mythic dungeons etc?

[mellow quartz]

Maybe

Maybe not

[deft vessel]

We don't know

[mellow quartz]

Want me to read the future some more?

[naive laurel]

get out your tarrot cards pls

[jolly inlet]

Kekw people think ds is for surviving and I just think it’s a dps cooldown

[spare mantle]

Will MSFT go up in price this week???

[vestal torrent]

i wish i could ignore the pain from my real life

[limber patrol]

Slightly looking at third boss jade serpent
I wonder when they realize, that this boss is just busted and at certain (not extreme) level unplaysble for some tanks. And healers that cannot burst heal quick enough. And DPS that cannot burn boss quickly enough in P3

[toxic pewter]

that is wow itself

[naive laurel]

stop you’re scaring me before m+ comes out

[vestal torrent]

☑️

[ocean finch]

How are we s- tier? We are still ahead no?

[naive laurel]

sorry, it was sarcasm

[vestal torrent]

meme

[radiant storm]

guys who gives a fuck we're warriors we charge press buttons and kill shit

we are S+

[mellow quartz]

Who doesn’t like getting blasted by magic damage and then getting a 200k healing absorb shield on them?

[radiant storm]

blizz cant nerf us all

[spare mantle]

Brm

[bold iron]

Blizzard did nerf us all tho

[naive laurel]

if we ds irl nothing can hurt us

[limber patrol]

The dungeon I will swap to double SW just for this moment.

[mellow quartz]

At least they have 5 defensive CDs for the hits

We have little old shield wall!

Temple you probably run double wall and spell block on a high enough key.

[spare mantle]

Yeah brm dies to 2nd boss tho

[limber patrol]

Still thinking about if LS is better before the hit or after to eat some of the heal absorb

[grave crane]

LS then Rally for big boy health gain and IV

[limber patrol]

Id this kick spell blockable?

[mellow quartz]

Nope

Sorry

Yes should be

[naive laurel]

that’s terrifying wtf

[foggy loom]

bro

[prisma crane]

they give us stuff like SR and Spell Block, but then make it not work on all the things it could or should

[foggy loom]

why they nerf the stupid shit

[radiant storm]

is warrior dead ?? i should start leveling my druid ?

[foggy loom]

no lmao

[prisma crane]

as a doornail

[naive laurel]

no satire we’re mad chilling

[vestal torrent]

i would fall asleep if i had to play guardian druid

[radiant storm]

so was mine hehe

[uncut notch]

You couldnt pay me to play gdruid man

[limber patrol]

Thought about I can handle about 4 kicks before running out of CDs. Which means boss must be burned in around 30 seconds. If boss dies not my fault. Just DPS

[uncut notch]

5 apm class i sleep

[radiant storm]

gdruid is boring lmao

[mellow quartz]

Blizzard has now shown the community that pwar has been nerfed. Everything is now fine in the world.

[tawdry cove]

Ive just realized ignore pain nerf isnt really a nerf

[mellow quartz]

For most situations it is

[uncut notch]

https://tenor.com/view/kowalski-analysis-thinking-seriously-gif-12855053

[tawdry cove]

ok

[uncut notch]

This is me, giving you just enough rope btw

[radiant storm]

WHERE WERE YOU WHEN WARRIOR WAS KILL

[prisma crane]

we cap IP often, this makes it easier to cap

i want that 90% from legion back lol

[mellow quartz]

At the very high end it’s not a nerf imo but as long as you are never at risk of dropping IP it’s a straight up 10% more magic damage taken.

[naive laurel]

rip prot warr low keys

[limber patrol]

Nonnerf for biiiig boom damage.
But nerf for quickly subsequent damage incomes which wont consume IP by them alone

[prisma crane]

[ocean yoke]

Warrior is now wasrior

[uncut notch]

genius

[fading tide]

Christ we got nerfed again and I haven’t ranked a mythic plus yet

[tawdry cove]

im glad though the nerfs werent harsh, everyone was expecting it

[limber patrol]

Next nerf bear again. They get threatening.

[naive laurel]

the bears keep yelling at me pls need

nerf

[mellow quartz]

Nerf the group heal on bear.

[prisma crane]

just nerf that resident sleeper ability bears have

[mellow quartz]

Beta and internal testing most likely

[limber patrol]

Dont think this was done because of M0

[mellow quartz]

Nothing is being based of m0

[grave crane]

i doubt they nerfed us based on M0 testing guys

[light moth]

Is the nerf so strong that it's no longer tier S?

[limber patrol]

They have bunch of data in beta

[south zealot]

the nerf basically doesnt exist

[vestal moat]

Everyone keeps saying Blizzard is tuning based on M0 results and yet noo ne has provided a shred of evidence that's why they made the change or any other.

[tawdry cove]

that's not a nerf

not too bad i mean

[pallid quiver]

nah df is live, beta doesn't exist anymore

[grave crane]

realistically well be good anyway the 5% demo is meh but we have good uptime on it so its alright imo

[upbeat eagle]

could somebody explain to me again why do we call the nerfs "not nerfs"?

[mellow quartz]

All the data didn’t magically go away 🙂

[south zealot]

they are nerfs but not significant enough to change basically anything

[uncut notch]

absense of evidence to contrary doesnt necessarily mean a positive claim

TLDR you cant say they did or didnt

[upbeat eagle]

@south zealot got it, thanks!

[pallid quiver]

So, hear me out. Your IP is a 50k amount just for example sake. You get hit for 150k. You take 100K damage and 50K goes into IP.

Do this math with both percentages as a homework assignment

[tawdry cove]

if you combine it with the fact that we get nerfed with the aura nerf less than everyone else, I would say overall its a buff 😛

[prisma crane]

that situation however is less common than the one where it is technically a small nerf

either way, idc, i just want dmg buff

[lavish oracle]

The IP nerf is effectively only a nerf in that in makes our damage in take over many small hits slightly less smooth than it would be otherwise

[pallid quiver]

if we got a damage buff, the wow community would fucking riot

[lavish oracle]

which isn't really what we use IP for anyways

[mellow quartz]

In almost all situations you have 100% IP uptime. So it’s a straight up nerf then.

[prisma crane]

only due to ignorance, we're not even top dmg for tanks

[slate pine]

YOU AINT LYING

[vestal moat]

This nerf just reverts the season 4 buff to IP.

[pallid quiver]

I'm simply trying to explain why people are saying it's "not a nerf", not whether I agree with it or not

[vestal moat]

but doesnt revert the fact that IP was buffed by 30% in S4. that would have been the real nerf if they reverted that 😄

[tawdry cove]

how much behind is warrior on damage compared to other tanks, anyone got any numbers?

[prisma crane]

only the cap was, but yes

[vestal moat]

No, the base vlaue of IP was buffed in S4 by 30% AND the cap was buffed as well.

[mellow quartz]

|———————| this much

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, but balance is also shaped by what will make people play, unfortunately. This is a constant from all games. A large enough chunk of the populace is convinced we do more damage than DPS

[tawdry cove]

thats a lot

[hollow token]

Or a little. It’s all relative.

[limber patrol]

Question is how big of a nerf. Yeah we get about 10% more magic damage through our IP. There are two situations for it: you are dropping low and died cause of more magic damage. Then you fucked up either way.
Or you wiggle a bit more when you are not in danger. Then it doesnt matter

[prisma crane]

sure, but that doesnt mean blizzard should listen, that scenario is 100% one where they should answer with an i think you do but you dont sort of thing

[south zealot]

but why

[prisma crane]

because its more fun

[south zealot]

prot warrior is the best warrior spec so youll bring it for battleshout anyway

[mellow quartz]

Always want more damage?

[south zealot]

theres your attack power

[prisma crane]

you're talking raid, idc about raid

and balance matters much less in raid than M+ imo

[tawdry cove]

if balance was shaped by what people think brewmaster would get buffed by now

[mellow quartz]

Who cares abt raid. Trivial scripted dance content lol

[pallid quiver]

They have to listen to an extent, otherwise people legit will stop playing

[somber sky]

no %s out yet for the overall tankyness nerf? Thought it was a 3-4% reduction in tankyness from this nerf

[prisma crane]

i mean i disagree there, but tank balance matters less in raid

[ocean finch]

Oh we got another nerf on demo shout and IP

[pallid quiver]

It's only one factor of balance; Brew's not contentious enough for people to care even if they get nerfed more

[mellow quartz]

You take 10% ish more magic damage 🤷‍♂️

[pallid quiver]

which sucks to say but

[limber patrol]

Define "tankyness" we get 10% more magic damage.

[radiant storm]

is it specifically magic? i thought it was 10% flat

[modern brook]

Spec dead reroll vsh or ehatever

[plain thistle]

nerf to IP is basically revert to SL S4 irc

[prisma crane]

na, they just have to have better explanation of changes

[mellow quartz]

That was my point. Also that I don’t care abt raid in general.

[somber sky]

overall DR nerf

[mellow quartz]

Yes

[pallid quiver]

you can have the best explanation in the world

people won't give a shit because they won't read it

[limber patrol]

For physicals we have SB

[prisma crane]

yea im just referring to the dismissive right off of raiding, which i dont think is fair because despite "scripted" it doesnt mean it's easy

[pallid quiver]

We've had people literally come in here and argue with people and admit they're not reading what the people they're arguing with are saying

[lavish oracle]

Wouldn't this be, if our 50k IP is consumed, we'll take 50k damage after the nerf vs 45k before the nerf?

[tawdry cove]

since ignore pain still blocks the same amount, its only a nerf on hits that arent big enough to break through IP, like most spells

[vestal torrent]

sounds like a warrior thing to do tbh

[pallid quiver]

no

it can only absorb 50k HP

[slim dove]

are people actually dooming over this change?

[pallid quiver]

So there's still 100K damage to take

[slim dove]

[south zealot]

no

[fading halo]

what talent build are yall running for raid tomorrow? the build from wowhead?

[lusty grotto]

[mellow quartz]

Raiding is content that gets easier and easier the more gear you have cause of static difficulty. M+ gets harder and harder as you push up keys.

[prisma crane]

sure, i completely understand where you're coming from, but you can chase that idiot carrot down the road for a LONG way, at some point a foot has to be put down and empirical evidence has to dictate changes

[lavish oracle]

Right, but in a situation where there is 95k damage, our IP will eat more of the damage

[radiant storm]

ahhh makes sense, thank you

[fading halo]

i literally did

[pallid quiver]

but that wasn't the point of that example

[fading halo]

i am asking if people are actually using that or have modified it a bit

[modern brook]

The only people dooming are the fotms

[vestal torrent]

good players will modify their talents based on fights

[modern brook]

And me

[prisma crane]

sure, but it just means they have different difficulty curves due to being different forms of content

[pallid quiver]

It's not a nerf in terms of major hits that blow through the IP in a single go was the point

[lavish oracle]

The point of the example was that it wasn't a nerf but in some situations it is

[slim dove]

it seems so incredibly minor idk why anyones caring

[modern brook]

Iunno

Oh no I can't penta pull my dungeons anymore T.T

[lusty grotto]

hey guys please respect people's dooming

☑️

[tawdry cove]

to me it looks like a fake nerf just to calm down the community XD

[prisma crane]

ty, as a frequent doomer i appreciate the support

[lavish oracle]

It's definitely the gentlest nerf in the world, for sure

[pallid quiver]

I can neither agree nor disagree, coming from fighting game land. Balance is a hot topic there, too

[modern brook]

People are bad at games

[prisma crane]

1% would have been more gentle

[mellow quartz]

It feels very much like a ‘we have to show the community we are doing something abt pwar but we don’t really wanna do anything abt pwar’ nerf.

[modern brook]

That said demo shout getting nerfed is toxic

[lavish oracle]

I would be less happy with a 1% nerf because I'd be looking for the other shoe to drop

[modern brook]

Yall remember the end of devilman crybaby

[bronze helm]

calm who? i havent seen a single person complain that tanks are good outside of pvp

[modern brook]

When the angry mob butchers the girl spoilers bte

The girl is demo shout

[mellow quartz]

If you wanna think abt the IP nerf in another way then it’s a 5% nerf to your overall self healing on details!

[modern brook]

The mob is wow players

[sand mason]

I think the nerfs will make prot more fun to play...

[mellow quartz]

Doesn’t change play style at all 🤷‍♂️

[lavish oracle]

Well the self-healing is the same assuming the damage goes through the whole shield, no?

[bronze helm]

a nerf that doesnt change how you play makes it more fun to play?

[tawdry cove]

in comparison to other tanks

• in low damage situations (battle stance) we are buffed by 5% damage reduction, but ignore pain will block 10% less damage .... neutral change
• in high damage situation (defensive stance) we are nerfed by 10% same as everyone else, but ignore pain still blocks the same amount .. neutral

[modern brook]

Yeah nothings more fun than doing the same thing I've been doing

[sand mason]

being literal invincible made me wanna pull 10 packs, but as stated above it would kill the group. I wanna pull big enough and feel like I HAVE to play or ima die

[limber patrol]

Tell this all those andys which are complaining about prot warr doing dungeon without moving healthbar and doing more damage than them because they are shit.

[mellow quartz]

You have 100% IP uptime in keys except the very very top keys.

[bronze helm]

dude you're doing heroics or m0 right now, of course you're going to be strong

[sand mason]

It'll make the situations more "exhilarating" because we have to play better to avoid the same amount of damage as before

[timber dagger]

even 345 unholy dk can solo m0 dungeon

[modern brook]

Aight I guess

[mellow quartz]

[lavish oracle]

Well, sure, but in those situations the nerf is a non-issue anyways

[modern brook]

This tbh

[lavish oracle]

which I guess was maybe the joke 😄

[limber patrol]

Yeah already forgot this. Currently we couldn't get our full pull potential either as usually the group died way before we did. Soooo

[mellow quartz]

I had 99.5% IP uptime in a 20 fort smbg on beta as an example at 392 ilvl

[sand mason]

Being on the brink of death for an entire key is chefs kiss

[bronze helm]

go play brm then

[tawdry cove]

true, if you are keeping ip 100% up, then you are never in danger of dying anyways

[modern brook]

Huh

[sand mason]

[ocean finch]

You guys think its better to play ITF or Heavy Rep for M+?

[mellow quartz]

The real risk you get into is situations where IP drops. Without IP up you are VERY squishy. This essentially makes that situation less likely to happen with the trade off being you take a little bit more damage when it’s up. This is a trade off I like.

[modern brook]

Hr in most cases

[bronze helm]

itf is more fun though

[haughty bronze]

get ya popcorn ready

[modern brook]

Bolster is a lame talent hard disagree

[tawdry cove]

the more i think about it, the more i think this nerf is brilliant

[tulip kelp]

Does nayone know how to get your item upgraded from level 4 to 5? Do you need full set of mats again?

[limber patrol]

So to bring things together:
Technically a nerf but as we can't pull enough to bring us in danger as the group would always die its a no nerf
And on bosses like in JS its a no nerf because the initial hit is too big

So only nerf DS. Or am I missing something?

[mellow quartz]

Not full set. You get it recrafted.

[slim dove]

youll need reduced materials, but make sure they're all 3*

[tawdry cove]

since the aura nerf was a buff to warriors in low damage situations, they needed to nerf warriors in those situations without aftecting the high damage situations

that IP change was perfect for that

[sick sentinel]

if everything is on sale, nothing is on sale, applies here

were all gunna still take the same amount of dmg roughly as tank specs

[modern brook]

I mean no but the ideas there

[worldly kiln]

didn't we technically get 20% overall vs. 10% for other tanks

[modern brook]

Like warrior will still take significantly less damage than bdk

We have a shield

[worldly kiln]

assuming DR and IG always up

[sick sentinel]

might be better for DK, if they get hit for more, they value big death strike heals

[oblique drift]

is the damage reduction you get from blocking a total separate pool of damage reduction than everything else? It seems like it is just going over some logs

[modern brook]

All instances of Dr are multiplicative

[mellow quartz]

10 vs 5 (10 also with def stance)

[modern brook]

And it's why block owns

[worldly kiln]

ya assuming defensive stance was already on

which it isn't, so i guess the nerf makes sense

[lyric geode]

Defensive stance will be needed for higher keys.

[worldly kiln]

of course

[mellow quartz]

Then it’s the same ‘ish for all tanks

[worldly kiln]

im just annoyed that peopel are looking at the nerf as if our class was supposed to be in battle stance lol

[modern brook]

Why wouldn't we be in battle stance

It's literally a free talent

[inland owl]

I haven’t used defensive stance once this entire expansion yet

[grave crane]

we kinda are, since we mitigate physical melees so well

[lyric geode]

Guys, have we stepped out of theorecrafting?

[fast knot]

We don't just turtle if we're not gonna take significant damage

[mellow quartz]

With how blizzard bakes 50% of the nerf into def stance they clearly believe you should be in def stance.

[grave crane]

you can stay in D stance all you want im gonna probably use it for risky pulls or big boy hits

[opaque vine]

where aer you getting 20% overall nerf

are*

[modern brook]

They did this because the other option was to make warrior take extra damage

[lyric geode]

To be fair , switching from BS to DS uses a gcd. So it isnt as op as it was told.

[worldly kiln]

yea when i saw the stance update, i assumed def stance would be required for pretty much m0 and up

[mellow quartz]

Doesn’t change the fact its done.

[worldly kiln]

4 nerfs, 5% each, 20% total

i guess the IG technically isn't dmg mitigation

[modern brook]

Sure. But that doesn't mean you can assign intent to it

[mellow quartz]

Could have done -5 just would have been strange lol

[lyric geode]

IG?

[worldly kiln]

IP

[grave crane]

he means IP

[worldly kiln]

srty

[rotund thicket]

Stances have their own GCD

[lyric geode]

Oh I thought it was interest groups from victoria 3.

[grave crane]

but i dont really see that as a huge nerf since we dont use it as a defensive but more of a rage dump

[lyric geode]

I was like, I am in the wrong channel.

[oblique drift]

the damage reduction from shout is up such a small portion of time, lumping it in like a flat 5% nerf is silly unless you are specifically talking in the context of big hits you pop cds for

[mellow quartz]

What?

[lyric geode]

Yeah.. but still.

[grave crane]

the IP nerf

[mellow quartz]

IP is a huge defensive

[worldly kiln]

I see the totality as a big nerf because I assume they built M+ and raid with warrior using def stance all the time

[past lark]

Just read the notes

[mellow quartz]

In actual content without IP up you will get rocked

[grave crane]

its not a defensive i worry about having up since we have so much rage

[past lark]

Anyone changing any talents or gameplay around it is trolling

[lyric geode]

IP isnt a huge defensive right now.

It is mostly capped and we use it so we dont cap rage.

[mellow quartz]

Incorrect

[past lark]

Imagine even discussing 5% loss on IP from 55 or 5% loss on demo from 25%

[lyric geode]

From m0 isnt a huge defensive. To high keys it is.

[mellow quartz]

If you did any meaningful keys on beta and you didn’t have IP up you would be kissing the floor.

[modern brook]

I think they're saying something like "ip is maintained as a byproduct of our rotation, so it doesn't feel like it has the same impact as sw etc"

[mellow quartz]

Oh you mean right now as in m0

[worldly kiln]

by themselves its not bad but all in its 15%, assuming def stance was on to start with

[lyric geode]

Like I said. It is not a huge mitigation right now, on current content. On m0

[opaque vine]

well berry, maybe time to reroll since prot got dumpstered by 20%

[past lark]

Considering we currently take 0% damage, +15% damage taken ain’t so bad

[grave crane]

i feel like i tried saying that but thats the overall intent yeah, with our rage gen and needing to dump having IP up is a non factor because it will always be up

[vital sinew]

Weird point to argue seeing how M0 is dead content in 12 hours

[oblique drift]

there is no reason to discuss m0 imo when season 1 is tomorrow yeah

[mellow quartz]

I had high keys on beta where I was deliberately building up rage to dump into 2 IPs right after each other to live big hits.

[worldly kiln]

i guess ur right. it's been a good 15 yrs

[bronze helm]

there's no reason to discuss m0 ever

[lyric geode]

It isnt. It is a progression content from all of us. /s

[modern brook]

Tbh m0 wasn't worth discussing last week either

[fast knot]

Maybe at like 320 item level

[past lark]

M0 is progression content for you?

[fast knot]

But 370+ I barely needed a heal ever

[past lark]

Lmao why are you even debating class strategy then

[fast knot]

Outside of RLP not getting dispelled on last boss

[lyric geode]

You need a healer? I get offended when my druid teammate presses hots on me.

[vital sinew]

Yeah, I did 2 of those. Got to 4 before kissing the floor

[latent hedge]

but if we are taking significant damage won't IP be uncapped and therefore no real value is lost (as we still get same amount of IP per rage).

ofc we are more likely to get capped but if we have capped ip we cruising or am I misunderstanding?

[zealous willow]

I dont get it , they leave dk be op 2 seasons , now they cant leave warr to be good 2 weeks

[mellow quartz]

Like that huge wind MF’er in Academy on the island? On a high fort week you want enough rage build up to spam IP right before he does his tank hit. It’s pure nature damage and it fucking trucks you

[modern brook]

Being op isn't fun

5% off ip also doesn't make us not op

[oblique drift]

Warrior is still good omg

[fast knot]

Poor dorki lmao

[past lark]

Bro lmfaooo the dooming is so funny

[fast knot]

I felt that pain in the vod

[past lark]

Tbh it’s better this way, we should encourage the dooming

[sick sentinel]

Y’all not taking into account tier …

[lyric geode]

But, protection warrior was OP on prepatch and the last dead season. It is only fair for him to be at Shit tier.

[tame solstice]

Lol, i came here just to read comments like this. You guys are the best

[past lark]

Less people playing means less likely we get more nerfs

[lyric geode]

Exactly.

[zealous willow]

I never said we bad, i said theu started to target us early

[tame solstice]

war dead. doom gloom

[fast knot]

We get to use the emote agane

[wet flume]

Never worked for prot pally smh

[oblique drift]

they targeted warrior at literally the last possible moment if you are talking about today's nerf

[mellow quartz]

Doesn’t affect anything

[past lark]

Imagine the guys over at the fury channel

[modern brook]

Pallys don't deserve to have fun they failed the games first skill check and picked paladin

[clear spindle]

If we don't have doom and we don't have hype, what's left to talk about?

[tame solstice]

If they didn't post todays nerf and then you did your key grind tomorrow unaware, you wouldn't even realize you had been nerfed.

[past lark]

10% nerf to gushing wounds and 1% increase on BT damage

[sick sentinel]

Ha, get rekt PWar you're dead

[lyric geode]

So, that is why I hate fotm. They jump all of them at one class. That class gets nerfed to oblivion. They jump on other class until blizzard gets tired of trying to fix the balance.

[past lark]

Literally agreed patrin

[modern brook]

[oblique drift]

I'm deleting my warrior and unsubbing, not point in playing with such a weak character

[lusty grotto]

well memes aside, thats not entirely true

[lyric geode]

Go get them.

[lusty grotto]

BFA we had 3 seasons worth of fotm

[modern brook]

Dk only got 1

[lusty grotto]

BDK had how many seasons worth of fotm so far?

[past lark]

Yeah bfa prot was hilarious

[modern brook]

Pwar favored tbh

[worldly kiln]

This is not a targeted indirect buff to Pwar.

[lusty grotto]

on different expansions?

[neon elk]

Politics ?

[mellow quartz]

DK’s bfa season was fake

[vital sinew]

DK got baited hard in bfa

[lyric geode]

We dont discuss BFA. Nobody played it.

[lusty grotto]

huh

[patent osprey]

Alright, Defense Doesn't seem to be working. Time to go on offense. Everyone just tell Blizz to nerf Brewmaster

[fast knot]

Uhh

[lyric geode]

Kewk

[mellow quartz]

We were saying nerf bear

[fast knot]

A lot of people played bfa

[mellow quartz]

We can say brew as well

[lusty grotto]

[modern brook]

Swapping to battle stance

[bronze helm]

just remember the state of prot warrior in SL season 1 and be happy we arent there again

[modern brook]

Brew master more like poo master

[lyric geode]

To be fair. The most humiliating about all my experience was on 9.2

[worldly kiln]

thx my ptsd is back

[wet flume]

lets all pray for prot pal buff

[light quartz]

Lets goooooooo!

[muted hornet]

Chill guys we are still more than Good 😂

[mellow quartz]

Ppal is as just buffed last week

[lyric geode]

There was so gap between bdks and protection warriors. It was unbelievably unfair.

[clear spindle]

Aren't there again yet

[mellow quartz]

Everyone is meme’ ing

[fierce juniper]

Protection has received the following nerfs:
- Demoralizing Shout now reduces damage taken by 20% (was 25%).
- Ignore Pain now ignores 50% of damage taken (was 55%).

The total absorb Ignore Pain provides remains unchanged. The nerf to the % simply means Ignore Pain will deplete slightly more slowly. This is a slight nerf against tank-buster mechanics and in situations where you are rage/IP capped.

The Demoralizing Shout nerf equates to a 6.66% increase to damage taken (during Demo Shout). While not insignificant, it's not a massive nerf by any means.

Overall, these changes are largely inconsequential and nothing really changes with how you approach the spec. :)

[sick sentinel]

Spec

[patent osprey]

If someone shoots bullets into your house, you don't say, chill the house is still standing. You Shoot back

[modern brook]

Wait if they're largely inconsequential dors that mean I deleted my warrior for nothing

[sick sentinel]

That's a good way to get shot

[wet flume]

Exactly

[muted hornet]

Dude i m playin whats meta i dont care 😂

[fierce juniper]

good pic

[lusty grotto]

marok i will always post it okay

[jolly inlet]

Idk why people are worried

[lusty grotto]

always!

[lyric geode]

Exactly. My advice is for all of us. Jump to Vdh or pala or Bdks. They will get nerfed to oblivion. Then go sweet home back to pwarrior.

[mellow quartz]

How is it a nerf to tank busters in those situations? If the hit is large enough it’s the same absorb.

[lyric geode]

Fight tooth and nail.

[modern brook]

If you eat your whole ip at once, you take 5% more damage than you would have before

[fierce juniper]

Because it's at most only preventing 50% of the damage instead of 55%

[lyric geode]

I remember all of the doom when they nerf DRW on 9.2 People doom so much, that blizzard reconsidered about its nerf.

Also, still by far the best tank spec for months.

[neon fossil]

More nerfs.

[modern brook]

Kek

[zealous willow]

No way dk js meta

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[tame solstice]

not sure if srs

[muted hornet]

Nope its bear meta

[fallen pulsar]

these are the nerfs from a few days ago and today

[fast knot]

You gonna immune every Fenryr chase with dk tank?

[sick sentinel]

Juicy you don't say!

[lyric geode]

Its bear meta folks. Like 9.1

[coarse flower]

😭 you might as well stick to war

[neon fossil]

From what I see, I don't feel its gonna be too bad,.

[lyric geode]

Time to wake up the bear.

[fast knot]

Intervene is gonna save that key lol

[lusty grotto]

[wet flume]

Life coach us you're just so ahead

[modern brook]

Pins and also scroll up

[fast knot]

[modern brook]

It's "inconsequential

[sick sentinel]

Juicy we've been talking about it

This whole time

[neon fossil]

Yea

[sick sentinel]

Bro

[lyric geode]

Next nerf. Just make ignore pain absorb 5% of its damage.

[worldly kiln]

nah i think the next one is making sb not stack

[lyric geode]

That would be a disaster.

[zealous willow]

This ignore pain nerf means we take more magic dmg , other nerf is useless

[lusty grotto]

that wouldnt be so bad actually