protection

[loud patrol]

ok im not crazy then

[lusty grotto]

huh i just noticed

[strong forum]

have to reapply my undying all the time

my flex

[merry umbra]

Demonblock of the Iron Vanguard sounds neat for a pwar so ill go with that

[lusty grotto]

you mean this one?

[strong forum]

[vernal vale]

damn, i missed that title still sad to this day i didn't do it

[lusty grotto]

😄

[mighty valley]

halls definitely fucks up newcomer pugs the most

[strong forum]

its my only flex title next to the purifier

[cerulean spear]

im actually duelist nobody impressed, on resto shamaneverybody impressed

[marsh stone]

Thanks mate

[mighty valley]

my group laughed maniacally when the boss sent us back down the stupid wave corridor

[vernal vale]

i normally run my insane title

[lusty grotto]

as Chef Nimchip there's only one title i can use 😦

[mighty valley]

very funny joke, water man

[strong forum]

i almost got insane but whiffed it

on the last day

and now im too lazy to recover

[lusty grotto]

feelsbadman

[modern brook]

im battle lord cause im battle lord :^)

[vernal vale]

i mean it still exists just no shendalar rep anymore

[lusty grotto]

everyone knows the truly meta title is Jenkins

[strong forum]

ya at first i confused it with the trial of valor title

[lusty grotto]

[loud patrol]

meanwhile im happy with my brawler title

[strong forum]

but its the reputation thingy

cba that

[cerulean spear]

any1 having trouble grouping up mobs in this expansion coz they all keep casting uninteruptable stuff?

[loud patrol]

Los

[lusty grotto]

im quite fond of Lord/Lady of War

[modern brook]

@sick sentinel no

[cursive burrow]

I stick with Brawler or Battlelord on my Warrior.

[vernal vale]

thats a cool one too

[cursive burrow]

Paladin is always Crusader.

[fossil sparrow]

I choose my title everytime I login

[cerulean spear]

@loud patrol in previous expansions it was specific pulls u needed to pillar this expo feels like every pull

[lusty grotto]

once i go back to my Chef mog though, titles are over

[loud patrol]

i only need the gladiator kills for my warlord of Draenor title ;_;

[fossil sparrow]

blizzard and not fixing shit, name a better duo

[cerulean spear]

or am i crazy

[fossil sparrow]

the lightbringer wants a word

[lusty tiger]

Slimepp doesn’t need a title the name speaks for itself

[lusty grotto]

lol ive needed Worgen kills for a long... LONG.... time

[mighty valley]

very happy to not become the trashmaster a hundred times every time i log in now

[lusty tiger]

How come it’s ok to skin worgen and dragon

[fossil sparrow]

wait yours is fixed?

[lusty grotto]

there's apparently only 5 worgen playing pvp at all times

[cursive burrow]

Don't think I finished the class hall on Paladin. Only War and DK.

[fossil sparrow]

it's the argus meta title 🙂

only reason I did that hellhole

was for my paladin

[cursive burrow]

Oh! Absolutely effing not.

[fossil sparrow]

killing 3k? demons was..fun

[lusty grotto]

now lets flex mage tower appearances

[cursive burrow]

I went back in BFA and got my reps to max. That's it.

[fossil sparrow]

paladin was my first char, I look at it now and it's a mess

[lusty tiger]

I wouldn’t even do that during bfa

[cursive burrow]

I quit in Legion after Nighthold AoTC and didn't come back until Nyalotha.

[loud patrol]

no plz im too bad for that

[fossil sparrow]

exalted 3xpacs in a row for every faction, then stopped playing it and it's all over the place

account wide rep when

[tropic sundial]

I still like rocking "of the Nightfall"

[fossil sparrow]

having recently gotten it, conservationist is my goto, only because my war is only a pleb 1600 rated knight

[cursive burrow]

I want the stupid flail from Azure Span but lolRNG.

[loud patrol]

im still mad i didnt got it

[lusty grotto]

i only use it when im not in chef mog because stewart is the perma mog there

[fossil sparrow]

are rare profession drops not 100%?

[loud patrol]

that shield would be perfect for the tuskarr transmog

[fossil sparrow]

trying to get the hammer from citadal

[lusty tiger]

Where did u get that flail?

[sick sentinel]

is bdk actually netured now

[loud patrol]

mage tower apperance

[lusty grotto]

its the mage tower appearance that you cant get anymore

[loud patrol]

now onubtainable

[lusty tiger]

I hate u give me flail tmog

[cerulean spear]

is there a way to increase my size in m+?

[fossil sparrow]

it sucks you cant get wod pvp titles anymore

[cerulean spear]

coz my team always says im so small

[lusty tiger]

Viagra

[fossil sparrow]

barely played then, but I'd get them no if they were possible

[strong forum]

according to internet there are pills for that, but i wouldnt trust em

[sick sentinel]

i'm thinking about trying bdk just, yeah i heard they might be not good this morning here, could be bias

[loud patrol]

theres a flail now in DF

[lusty grotto]

there's actually a new flail mog from some rare in Azurelag Span

[cerulean spear]

viagra doesnt increase size just keeps u hard

[tropic sundial]

Imagine they add back mage tower appearance in their new Trading Post thing

[loud patrol]

i call it Lag Span

[cursive burrow]

It's a treasure...you get the map from RNG.

[lusty tiger]

Well idk bout u but hard = size 4 me

[modern brook]

[lusty grotto]

oh, there you go

[lusty tiger]

Locked behind server bandwidth):

[lusty grotto]

xD

[fossil sparrow]

tfw only 2 blacksmith orders on my server

[lusty grotto]

but honestly lag hasnt been that bad in Azurelag span lately

[sick sentinel]

yall know of any good pvp vendors that take mark of honor that sell big one hand swords for my prot xmog set? just want a big sword that i can put an enchant on lol without the hard grind

[loud patrol]

for the latinos i remember a case in caso cerrado that a girl demanded his husband to make him grow his willy then 2 seasons later shes back to demand him to make his willy smaller

[fossil sparrow]

1 is a renown 23 unlock, 10g comission, hell no

[cerulean spear]

draconic augment runes are 1000 gold sadge

no min max for me

[dawn marsh]

What did I just read 😂

[strong forum]

i recommend just going to the appearance tab ingame, then type "gladiator" in the search bar

[lusty grotto]

LOL

[strong forum]

makes it ALOT easier 😉

[fossil sparrow]

cata had some of the best pvp weps no bias

[sick sentinel]

ok thanks

[cursive burrow]

That's how I make my gold. Sitting on 2 stacks for a big jump when Mythic releases.

[fossil sparrow]

everything post wod is like..who made this a child

[sick sentinel]

okay so go to a cata vendor ?

[fossil sparrow]

sure, mop might have 1 or 2, but the pvp art is..lacking past that

[lusty grotto]

you mean pre-wod

not post wod

pre = before

post = after

[fossil sparrow]

yes

everything post wod

was made by a child

that's what I said

pvp gear that is

[cerulean spear]

@cursive burrow should i buy a few?

[lusty grotto]

so all gear after

gotcha

[fossil sparrow]

wrath had some cool ones but are probably low graphics now

[prisma crane]

i dont see that as a bad thing

[limpid anchor]

They should just add everything in the trading post

[tropic sundial]

Oh I agree it'd be fucking great

[limpid anchor]

If you play a lot, you should get cool stuff

[cursive burrow]

You could...or just farm your own. Level a tank or healer through dungeons with bag bonus or do heroic when there's a bag. It's what I do to get them.

[prisma crane]

Legion would like a word

[fossil sparrow]

I..yeah the death of pvp

perhaps

[prisma crane]

yea i agree, i understand prestige, but with most things prestige should be short lived and move to the next, cant hold on to your shit from 15 years ago and claim it's still relevant

[strong forum]

sounds like a certain

someone

[fossil sparrow]

my 2100 rbg title wants a word with that

[strong forum]

:squint:

[fossil sparrow]

can I pvp like that anymore? lolno

mostly as rbgs are dead

[loud patrol]

add mage tower apperances in trading post

[cursive burrow]

If its not seasonal and has been removed it needs to be in the trading post IMO.

Get rid of the BMAH.

[limpid anchor]

There should be some Fomo shit tho. Like glad mounts and stuff

[fossil sparrow]

trading post?

[tropic sundial]

I'm sure some people would lose their shit

[lusty grotto]

yeah im not against it, flexing is fun but i dont think FOMO should be the play forever

[lusty tiger]

Wow needs clue scrolls from RuneScape

[loud patrol]

some will with store mounts

[prisma crane]

is this someone "king" in another tongue?

[fossil sparrow]

cant handle that amount of based

[limpid anchor]

Than gold would have absolutely no value anymore

[cursive burrow]

@limpid anchor why I say leave seasonal stuff out.

[strong forum]

mayhaps

[fossil sparrow]

it..alreayd doesnt?

[prisma crane]

ha

[loud patrol]

is it really fomo? its in a rotation so they will be back

[fossil sparrow]

gold hasnt held value SINCE wod

[lusty tiger]

It would be SO FUCKING COOL I would actually collect tmogs

[limpid anchor]

Yes, I agree. Also I type slow as shit on phone :<

[lusty grotto]

no i mean unobtainable stuff

[lusty tiger]

U want a thunderfury mog?1 bil gold

[prisma crane]

if we're talking mogs, i just want them to add inks already

[fossil sparrow]

corrupted ashbringer noises

[loud patrol]

oh

[prisma crane]

or dye. w/e

[fossil sparrow]

wow cant get dyes

[limpid anchor]

I only want mop weapons :(

[loud patrol]

i hope the corrupted ashbringer will be back

[fossil sparrow]

purely because raids/dungeons have mutliple versions

[limpid anchor]

Still so sad that I didn’t play during that

[lyric geode]

Why gold has value, even though there is plenty of it?

[fossil sparrow]

normal raid is a shade shitter than heroic which is shitter than mythic

[lusty tiger]

Should have all black/white dye options

[prisma crane]

that's not a good enough reason

[fossil sparrow]

dyes/tints will never exist

no

that's the blizzard reason

I agree it shits, but it is what i is

[lusty tiger]

^based

[loud patrol]

cant wait for classic andies to mald out of control

[lusty grotto]

xD

[prisma crane]

i'm saying it's not good enough, hopefully they'll come around like they have been of recent

[fossil sparrow]

that's weapons grade copium

tbh

[lyric geode]

I believe there should be a tax in wow, so every month people with gold in their bag, a % of it disappears.

[mighty valley]

a couple years ago cross faction play was unthinkable

[fossil sparrow]

now we're getting somewhere

[tropic sundial]

I mean the Trading ]
Post is already a huge change for Blizz

[fossil sparrow]

runescape recently introduced a trading tax and has done wonders

[prisma crane]

we already have lots of shit that was previously "weapons grade copium"

[lusty tiger]

This is why we need clue scrolls that can drop every cosmetic in the game(depending on tier of scroll difficulty)

[fossil sparrow]

we have clue scrolls

[lusty tiger]

And all of this is auction house tradeable

[prisma crane]

you just have weapons grade pessimism, and fwiw i dont blame you, im just saying not to rule it out

[fossil sparrow]

archaeology shifting about furiously

[lusty tiger]

Meh

[fossil sparrow]

land of dragons

no archaeology ♿

[lusty tiger]

Lmao

[tropic sundial]

Nobody likes archaeology as it is xD

[lyric geode]

I wonder what would happen if blizzard implement this?

[lusty tiger]

I’ve never done archeology

[dawn marsh]

Next expansion :^ )

[lusty grotto]

imagine reinstalling Archy

[fossil sparrow]

I was fascinated when it released in cata with the zinrohk wep

and the mount, never got either

[lusty grotto]

xD

[fossil sparrow]

that 359 sword was the tits

[loud patrol]

arch is fun

:c

[lyric geode]

Get out.

[mighty valley]

i think dye for everything would be a bigger can of worms than people might appreciate. but i could imagine a subset of transmog-specific appearances like the renown stuff now could work well with a dye system

[fossil sparrow]

it's seriously unituiative though

[mighty valley]

i don't get the wheelchair emoji

[lusty grotto]

its not a can of worms, they just wont do it cause it means more work for them making new interesting models instead of recolors 1 through 5

or worse

[fossil sparrow]

theres a real simple solution

currently gear is tinted by difficulty

lfr, normal, heroic, mythic

[tropic sundial]

They can't reward you the same stuff recolored 4 times if they implement dyes

[fossil sparrow]

remove TWO of those

get tints

profit

[loud patrol]

tbh archeology will be back

[tropic sundial]

Like all the transmogs in SL from covenant lol

[loud patrol]

those climbing, digging WQ that we have are the base for the revamp of Archeology

[lyric geode]

To be fair. I wouldnt be surprised if they implement cool transmog gear that you have to pay.

[prisma crane]

depends how the dyes work, if they're hue shifts the base color would still be relevant

if it's purely paint by number its a different story

[fossil sparrow]

I cant even get shoulders and a sword that have the same type of fiery red

I hate it

[lyric geode]

To be fair, there is a big difference in design from hc to mythic.

[fossil sparrow]

ok sure

[lyric geode]

From most of the raid tiers.

[tropic sundial]

Yeah mythic is always a bit more deigned

[fossil sparrow]

mythic is set to 20, that's the design aspect

[mighty valley]

if i went to a producer and said "we should increase our armor art by 4x and implement a dye system without pushing back any dates" i would get shot in the head

and they'd be right to do it

[lyric geode]

I mean, that wouldn't be homocide?

[prisma crane]

thing is though, it's almost always going to be a win, vs pushing out more stuff that requires dedicated teams to constantly balance

[lyric valley]

tints being difficulty-specific is one reason for no dyes for sure, but not the only one
blizz mentioned at some point that making dyes for armor requires an engine rework similar to player housing
don't ask me how, but the way that they are handling textures right now doesn't allow for dyes

[prisma crane]

this is the only reason why i assume we don't already have it, it's not that simple unless it's just a hue shift, which will often just look bad most of the time anyways

[tropic sundial]

As an exemple, for raid gear and dyes, ffxiv does it this way : normal mode gear is undyeable. Savage mode raid gear is dyeable.

Same model

[prisma crane]

and you'd have to color all or nothng, not specific bits of armor

[somber zenith]

Wassup guys anyone got some talent tree vamps for prot warrior? Aoe/Single

[fossil sparrow]

gear only has to be coloured 4 times over

[prisma crane]

pins

[mighty valley]

pins

[fossil sparrow]

because of the difficulties

[lusty tiger]

Blizz is never consistent

[prisma crane]

i know, you've said that more than 4 times Kekkers

[lusty tiger]

Just have an art team that pumps out cool relevant stuff every once in a while

And gate it behind the content it matches

[fossil sparrow]

twice but ok

[lyric valley]

also yes please, if they won't scale all content like the magetower to the original difficulty and give us the weapons back, then just put it on the trading post

it's not like mage tower has real prestige anyway, since people were just farming it in 9.3
plus, what someone else said of "prestige should be shortlived", I like that

[mighty valley]

are you suggesting removing the recolors from the difficulties or removing the difficulties entirely

[prisma crane]

Blizzards art team is honestly probably their only team that constantly produces Ws

[lusty tiger]

Gate*?

[fossil sparrow]

I like nuclear option 2

[prisma crane]

let them at it

[fossil sparrow]

the difficulties

well..atleast the loot from lfr

[modern brook]

Ff14 also wasn't built in 2003

[fossil sparrow]

a true "see it difficulty"

[lusty grotto]

😢 i got mine on week 2 of mage tower

[lyric geode]

The only cool transmog in the whole expansion from SL was from Castle Nathria.

[tropic sundial]

Remember when they made lfr sets just a crap model completely different from normal and up ? Lol

[lusty grotto]

but i agree with you

[lusty tiger]

Clearly the shit they give us now is poop effort

[fossil sparrow]

you could yeet the gear from lfr entirely and like 2people will care

[lusty tiger]

When you compare to what happend when league of legends upped their art team

[lyric geode]

It must said something about the artistic state of this game.

[mighty valley]

did you see the forums when they said group loot was coming to LFR

[lyric valley]

gz, but sadly, no one has any way to confirm that easily, so you might as well have gotten it in the last week of Legion 🥲

[cinder storm]

But, they have been updating the engine system, its not like they are using the same one from 2003

[lusty grotto]

achievement dates

[lyric geode]

NEED NEED NEED

[cinder storm]

I think they could use an AI to upscale textures

[fossil sparrow]

part of that would be tier sets, even though they were going downhill near the end

[cinder storm]

at least

[prisma crane]

that was me, and i look at it like technology, if you want some new fancy TV tech, you pay a ton extra for it early, and the "gain" is that you got to experience it for a year or 2 before most others, it's not reason to keep that tech expensive just because you paid a lot for it early

[fossil sparrow]

I was expecting group loot to be everywhere

not just raid tbh

[mighty valley]

i think you could use AI to delete your account

[lusty grotto]

FOMO is just dumb

[mighty valley]

mildly harsh but AI art is death lmao

[lusty grotto]

lets just agree with that

[cinder storm]

that would be a macro

[prisma crane]

he's not wrong about the AI thing

AI art can be used as a tool

[lyric valley]

Yes

[cinder storm]

it worked for GTA (kinda)

[lyric geode]

The funny thing is that Nathria wasnt a tier set. And Seplucher was the ugliest of them all.

[lusty tiger]

If it took all of dragonflight to make a cool unique set for each armour type, I’m not sure anybody would be upset

[fossil sparrow]

ICC was peak gear art (if only it wasnt 2polygons)

[lusty tiger]

But the covenant sets being rushed all at once and looking like dog shit each one of them like a high school art student drawing RP gear

[lyric geode]

Part of me, finds motivation to do mythic raid for transmog as well. Too bad, I rarely find something noteworthy of doing.

[lusty grotto]

i actually didnt like ICC sets

[lyric geode]

How to slap someone from internet.

[fossil sparrow]

even moreso if you mean the warrior set

[lusty grotto]

i didnt, i preferred the goat ulduar

[fossil sparrow]

if you said like..the warlock set

then sure

[blazing condor]

https://tenor.com/view/funkhouser-super-dave-im-not-norm-norm-macdonald-blank-face-gif-17567587

[lusty tiger]

I think I just yogi’d you guys because my phone stopped updating disc sorry

[prisma crane]

this just means they would need to invest in a deeper art team. there's entire games that have their monetization around purely cosmetics, the want is there, they just have to capitalize on it, ppl will continue to play if you give them things to hunt for

[tropic sundial]

Honestly there is no warrior set I m a huge fan of

[lusty grotto]

hey man, i thought the goats were badass

[loud patrol]

ICC sets sucks most of them

[fossil sparrow]

not a single set?

[lusty tiger]

100%

[fossil sparrow]

in like 30sets you like?

[mighty valley]

most wow armor is pretty out of step with my tastes

[tropic sundial]

Like nothing like DK nighthold set that makes me go "nice!"

[mighty valley]

except the monk sets from mop, they got a ton of extra love in their expansion

[fossil sparrow]

to think I used the AQ set for the longest time as a transmog

the purple was..something

[mighty valley]

uhhhhhh

[loud patrol]

nighthold sets are cool af

[lyric geode]

There are some good pieces. Tomb of Sargeras and Nighthold mythic onces.

[loud patrol]

well not warrior one tho

[lyric geode]

The only noteworthy post Legion.

[mighty valley]

AQ gear has got to be the biggest "what were they even going for" in all of wow

[lusty grotto]

wrath and wrath 2.0 look badass, i think wrath 2.0 is probably my favorite one

[mighty valley]

bug-themed power rangers meet professional wrestlers?

[fossil sparrow]

actually still dont ahve the aq set

[loud patrol]

AQ gear is clown gear

[fossil sparrow]

missing the cthun gloves

[lyric valley]

my favourite plate set is normal dazaralor
hides

[mighty valley]

and you couldn't even transmog it

[lyric geode]

Eh?

[loud patrol]

this is a cool set

[prisma crane]

tbh i just think the wow art team should take more chances, be more out there sometimes

[loud patrol]

dazar alor sets are cool af

[lusty grotto]

onslaught 2.0 also looks great

[tropic sundial]

I like the ToV set. Too bad you can't get the mythic one anymore. Another case of stupid fomo

[prisma crane]

you're not going to win over everyone anyways, throw some shit at the wall

[loud patrol]

you cant?

[fossil sparrow]

shame I'm a silly night elf so 90% of sets look..wrong

[loud patrol]

i got it end of bfa?

[mighty valley]

same as nightborne

[fossil sparrow]

dwarves got the best proportions for sets

[lyric geode]

Tell me you play death knight. Without telling me you play death knight.

[mighty valley]

plate just looks like... body paint

[fossil sparrow]

best of both worlds

[tropic sundial]

I'm still trying to farm the lfr recolor

[lyric geode]

Looks like we have some imposters folks.

[loud patrol]

actually i hate dks

orc warrior has a problem that when u put on a shirt and a helm they look bad

[fossil sparrow]

now for being a free set, the tov set is good

[cinder storm]

Like Dota 2, let people create sets, set rules on polygon limitations, and people can vote/blizz can decide what comes in

[prisma crane]

they're getting better with it but i agree, more 3d assets in general, hell even cloth needs it, layers for robes looks better than a onesie

[lusty tiger]

Would probably be much better tbh

[fossil sparrow]

you mean like the tree mount?

that totally won

[lusty tiger]

Me likey tree mount

It change w season

[fossil sparrow]

sure, but the options were like a ..slug

[lusty grotto]

nathria plate sets look amazing as well

[fossil sparrow]

and just better mounts

[lyric geode]

I find the ToS mythic gear quite appealing for my fury warrior.

[lusty grotto]

this shit right here

[fossil sparrow]

never going to get to finish the heroic nathria set for another 4years

[lusty grotto]

it looks great

[fossil sparrow]

as no one wants to run it

[lusty tiger]

Fkn inquisitor nim

[loud patrol]

now thats good

[mighty valley]

i don't envy them, 3d gear elements are harder to fit to the huge number of character rigs they have to take into consideration

[lyric geode]

Nathria gear is also legit.

[loud patrol]

CN plate was one of the best sets ever made

[cursive burrow]

Mythic Nathria and the Sanctum sets were pretty awesome ngl.

[fossil sparrow]

one of the few times

where heroic is better than mythic

[lyric geode]

Sactum... Yikes

[loud patrol]

also the glad set of that seaon

[mighty valley]

anyway they're not gonna make a plate chestpiece that beats bloody bandages for my character any time soon

[lyric geode]

What do you believe about the new tier set transmog?

[lusty grotto]

i like it

its a good start

[mighty valley]

it's fine, fits the patch themes, not to my taste

[lusty grotto]

hopefully they can go all out on the next ones though

[fossil sparrow]

we have a winner

cant wait to finish the set

[loud patrol]

lmao

[fossil sparrow]

actual fishman

[loud patrol]

idk why i think of ash'ir

[fossil sparrow]

aquaman

[lusty tiger]

There have been worse

[loud patrol]

Vashír

[prisma crane]

i like it too, just doesnt fit "dragons" to me, it feels like a better Zerith Mortis set

[lyric valley]

I like stone, favourite element from ATLA, so it somehow gets a nostalgia bonus from me

[fossil sparrow]

stone..

you mean rock

[lusty grotto]

yeah i absolutely love the rock tier

[cinder storm]

For rock and stone!

[prisma crane]

i want more shit with scales like the Molten shield, and "most" of that accompanying armor set

[lusty grotto]

i though it was gonna look like shit but they did a decent job for warriors at the very least

the concept art though

was amazing

[fossil sparrow]

is the crimson glad gear just arena gear?

[lyric valley]

english isn't my first language, but even if it was, rock and stone are the same thing to me

[prisma crane]

scales, bones, claws, teeth, wings, horns, etc

[mighty valley]

i want them to take another crack at the radahn-style helmet with hair flowing out of the back, only thing that works about this helm

[prisma crane]

yea

i like those, there's only 2 so far and the helmet color isnt great

imo

but make more of em

well, not that i dont like the colors, but there's little that matches it

[lyric geode]

A mediocre transmog. Even bad for my tastes.

[fossil sparrow]

so you're a nyalotha enjoyer

[mighty valley]

lmao

[lusty tiger]

I always thought the nyalotha plate was cool on my dk

[prisma crane]

i actually liked that idea

just went they went further with it

[mighty valley]

honestly, tentacle hair is something to work with. being covered in eyeballs and fins........ less what i'm looking for

[prisma crane]

https://tenor.com/view/davy-jones-gif-20275144

have it move

they sorta had that gas mask thing

but it wasnt that great and was too small

[lyric geode]

I honestly. I am glad that I didnt play BFA.

[lusty grotto]

yeah the tentacle shit looked great

i gotta agree

[lyric geode]

It doesnt feel like warrior.

Nighthold mythic feels like warrior.

[prisma crane]

with them opening up white and gray mogable gear, let that shit be the "generic fantasy" stuff, and let the raid stuff go wild

[lyric geode]

Tomb of Sargeras tier feels like warrior.

[loud patrol]

a void elf shadow priest with mythic nyalotha gear looks cool af

[lusty grotto]

well i hope so

ToS tier is a revamp

[prisma crane]

but your idea of warrior isnt my idea, isnt someone elses idea, etc

[mighty valley]

"warrior" means a lotta different things to people

[lyric geode]

Sir, this is #warrior channel.

[mighty valley]

it's broader than like, demon hunter

[loud patrol]

idc

[prisma crane]

like i dont like the valkyr direction we went in Legion for our class hall but others loved it

[mighty valley]

same, I like the more... mundane warrior fantasy

[lusty grotto]

ToS tier = Tier 6 revamp

[lyric geode]

Eh, could be worst.

[fossil sparrow]

just remembered I've a purple set with the legion pvp set and the axe off cthun, an entire 2polygon axe

[prisma crane]

i wanted our class hall to look like Black Rook Hold

[lusty grotto]

HFC tier = Tier 2 revamp

[lyric geode]

Sometimes revamps are good.

[lusty grotto]

yes, i do like it

both of those revamps actually

[prisma crane]

ToS was T6 but yea

[lusty grotto]

oh right

[lyric geode]

Also, your opinion about Nighthold rier set?

[prisma crane]

but new nax was old T2

[lyric geode]

Mythic one.

[prisma crane]

/ t3

[loud patrol]

tbh the nighthold tier for warriors looks bad in a full set

[lusty grotto]

nighthold looks like ass honestly

[prisma crane]

i think Asmon said it really well yesterday ironically, it's an awesome set that's so hard to match with anything else

[fossil sparrow]

sets that dont have pronounced shoulders/helms

are just awkward

[prisma crane]

those shoulders are sick, but dont match much of wow

[errant leaf]

guys is there a world where we take spear instead of Troar ?

[prisma crane]

pvp

[errant leaf]

I kinda like spear ngl

[lyric geode]

I believe that so. I had hard find to match with something like sword and shield.

[loud patrol]

pvp

[errant leaf]

no way we take spear in m+ ?

[prisma crane]

i mean you can but it's not useful

[mighty valley]

you can take it if you want regardless but it's less damage

[prisma crane]

well, it's not better

[lusty grotto]

i absolutely hate NH tier

[prisma crane]

that talent choice alone wont hold you back though so go for it

[lyric geode]

It maybe look bad on orcs. But on Tauren it looks bulky and nice. Good theme for a protection warrior.

[lusty grotto]

jesus it looked so bad right from the get-go in EN

[lyric geode]

Why?

[lusty grotto]

since the off-set pieces had the same graphic

[loud patrol]

thats what surprised me a set that looks good on tauren and not clunky

[lusty grotto]

cause it looks fucking horrible

[jagged pier]

u can play whatever u want, doesnt mean its the best. but if u want to play it u can play it

[lusty grotto]

and tastes are personal

[prisma crane]

i actually do really like this new tier but man the tiny hips of Ztroll really show up with that set and i hate that

same problem with nelf

[lusty grotto]

the dumb wings on the boots get me bad

[lyric geode]

Tastes are personal. But there are a few characteristics that are universally appealing.

[lusty grotto]

i know they are kinda horns/spikes

but they look like fucking winged boots

[prisma crane]

not a hermes enjoyer eh?

[lusty grotto]

lol

[lyric geode]

I don't see these because Tauren have hooves.

[loud patrol]

last time i saw hermes i ripped his head off

[prisma crane]

ToS set has probably among the best boots they've ever released imo

[lusty grotto]

agreed krotos

[prisma crane]

manage to look tough without looking like metal Uggs

[lusty grotto]

it was such a good revamp

[prisma crane]

nice front detailing and then the straps at the back, perfect

the new non-tier set boots kinda do the same, but a bit too simple on the back

[lyric geode]

One quick question. What is vulpera's racial that it make so appealing to m+?

[tropic sundial]

I just can't go back to non 3d sets. I hate the flat texture skinsuits

[lusty grotto]

first attack does less damage

[prisma crane]

first hits from mobs are our weakest

[lusty grotto]

is a vulpera passive

[prisma crane]

because we take a sec to get rolling

[lyric geode]

Oh shit. Really?

[prisma crane]

and the racial takes 5% off the top from it

[lyric geode]

So broken.

[lusty grotto]

its not

its just a good thing to have

[prisma crane]

its not broken, but it does add up

[lyric geode]

I mean, I just get a passive stamina.

[lusty grotto]

your passive stamina is active all the time

[prisma crane]

sure but think like this

[lusty grotto]

vulpera's are only on 1st hits

[prisma crane]

that means you get more healing from Indom, all the time

[lyric geode]

It is effectively small hps.

[prisma crane]

vulp takes less dmg once in a 5 min boss fight

[lusty grotto]

its min maxy for extremely high keys

[lyric geode]

On m+ must be bonkers.

[prisma crane]

its still great, esp on fort weeks, but nothing is OP really anymore

apart from maybe dwarf in some places

[celest lake]

anything concrete on what to use our sparks for?

[prisma crane]

no

[celest lake]

a 2h?

[prisma crane]

but shield is a great start

[lyric geode]

Because I havent touched Alliance in my life.

[prisma crane]

we dont use 2H so....

[lusty grotto]

here we go again

[celest lake]

lmfao my b just realized I was in prot

[sinful mortar]

Hi guys I have a question: I am currently playing veng dh at 70. I am enjoying ok, but I am getting prot war fomo. Do any of yall have both, and if so, could you tell me which you like better in m+ content? Thank you.

[prisma crane]

all g lol

cheets man

cheers*

[lusty grotto]

both are good

do whatever you want

[prisma crane]

both are good, if you enjoy DH stay with it

dont fomo/fotm swap

[lusty grotto]

👆

no but seriously, a well played VDH is great

[lyric geode]

Wow... I didnt know dwarves had so good racial as well.

[brisk laurel]

is BV still bugged?

[lusty grotto]

dont fall into the fotm trap, tanks are closer to each other than in any other exp release

[prisma crane]

how they play is super personal too, so best we can say is try warrior yourself if you're super curious, but dont swap for fotm, swap because you like one more than the other

[prisma crane]

yes

[sinful mortar]

I enjoying havoc much more than veng though. Played prot in the past but wanted to change things up xpac. Regerts.

[lyric geode]

Kewk

[balmy patio]

Prot is still above the other tanks, VDH is harder to play for the same result of a prot warrior

[lusty grotto]

wrong

[prisma crane]

for sure, and that's another good reason, if you play the offspecs a lot maybe that could swing your vote, but its all personal

[brisk laurel]

[balmy patio]

Not wrong

[lusty grotto]

yes wrong

[lusty tiger]

Oh geez

This guy

In prot discord trying to tell us prot ez

[lyric geode]

Go play Vdh. It has lesser skill curve, so you can do higher keys with him.

[brisk laurel]

can you avoid it by just never capping IP

[prisma crane]

devils advocate, he's not wrong, but the difference we're talking here isnt something massive

and if you're able to capitalize on the difference, you're not asking that question anyways

[lusty tiger]

A day 1 prot will never be as good as a day 1 any other tank imo

[balmy patio]

Prot warrior has so much more room for error than the other 5 tank specs

[prisma crane]

disagree

[lusty tiger]

Ooh geez

[lusty grotto]

the whole "prot is still above the other tanks" is what gets me

[lyric geode]

Lol...

[lusty grotto]

jesus christ these new guys

[cursive burrow]

Isn't that the M0 helm atm?

[lyric geode]

Try not to have shield block active in high keys. Then tell us.

[limpid anchor]

Hurr durr streamer said it’s busted

[sinful mortar]

That's kind of where I am at right now. Thanks for the info everyone!

[lyric geode]

Exactly why I hate fotm players.

[lusty grotto]

its gonna happen

and its gonna happen a lot

especially this week

so i hope yall ready

[lyric geode]

Hahahaha. @sinful mortar gets baited to play protection warrior.

[balmy patio]

Prot warrior have basically been invincible since prepatch, tanking +30s and 15-20s on beta

[limpid anchor]

I always wonder if people who say that actually play tanks

At a respectable level

[tropic sundial]

"My wife's boyfriend cousin plays prot and he told me it's busted in high keys with low skill"

[lyric geode]

@sinful mortar protection warrior isnt better than vdh. You need more skill for the less results a vengeance dh can pull.

[lusty grotto]

can you explain specifically what makes us invincible as you claim?

[limpid anchor]

Ye same, on every other tank(except pally and bear)

[balmy patio]

These class discords always a circlejerk of "my class is so hard and bad"

[limpid anchor]

No one says it’s hard

[lusty grotto]

that's not it at all

[balmy patio]

It really is lmao

[lusty grotto]

ok im still waiting on your explanation

[limpid anchor]

We just saying that you are bad and an streamer echo chamber

[lyric geode]

Protection warrior is crippled if you dont have shield block active.

[balmy patio]

lol

[tropic sundial]

[lusty grotto]

still waiting....

[balmy patio]

this channel full of 2k io players nice

useless info

[lusty grotto]

still

waiting

[limpid anchor]

So you can’t tell us

Nice

Good talk

[mellow quartz]

It’s not like prot warrior is hard but what are you comparing against? Bear is piss easy as well for example.

[lyric geode]

Hahahaha

[zenith sky]

i know it's not going to be relevant very long, but how have your experiences with https://www.wowhead.com/item=200563/primal-ritual-shell?bonus=7935 been?

[lusty grotto]

its ok

better than nothing

its also my highest ilvl trinket so

of course go fire and dont look back

[limpid anchor]

Fire one did some good dmg in the one m0 I tested it

[lyric geode]

Dude I was 3k rio on SL in 9.2, back then when protection warrior wasn't on S tier but on Shit tier.

[zenith sky]

thanks for the replies, I'll give it a go 🙂

[lusty grotto]

dont worry guys hes gonna explain why he thinks were invincible

any day now

[lyric geode]

Only I and an autist player played protection warrior back then.

[limpid anchor]

I don’t think we will ever get anything :(

[prisma crane]

he's trolling, ppl are taking the bait, just leave it be

[lusty grotto]

doubt

[limpid anchor]

Ah why, it’s funny and it’s content

[lusty grotto]

but it usually does fall into that

[lyric geode]

I mean, if he wants to troll, fine. But at least explain why vdh is worse than pwarrior.

[prisma crane]

its 100% a troll, he doesnt have to explain, he just has to watch everyone get worked up over it

[balmy patio]

like i said its a circlejerk in here full of bad players

[prisma crane]

^ exhibit A

[lusty grotto]

🆗

[minor helm]

[lusty grotto]

[blazing condor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/980120689828847626.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[lyric geode]

Dude, I am not getting baitted. But lets be clear. There are thousands of people like him, that circlejerk that pwarrior is OP and needs to be nerfed.

[prisma crane]

so what

[lyric geode]

And to be fair, blizzard will nerf us.

[strong forum]

It's not wrong to say that pwar is better than vdh

But both tanks are easy

Very easy

[limpid anchor]

No class is difficult

Wow doesn’t have mechanical difficulty

[prisma crane]

subjective

[lyric geode]

I mean, from my perspective, vdh has an easier curve to master it compared to protection warrior.

[lyric geode]

Protection warrior is more difficult than bear druids. Kewk.

[strong forum]

🤷‍♂️

[prisma crane]

ok

[tropic sundial]

It's vdh. It's not like we're talking current Brew or something

[prisma crane]

more difficult =/= difficult

[lyric geode]

Exactly.

I respect people playing brm.

[solemn magnet]

Bear was so easy I thought it was hard. 😦

[prisma crane]

plus, its all subjective, something simple for you or i may be difficult for someone else, not everyone in this discord is a high end player

[lyric geode]

It is objectively harder.

[lyric geode]

It is hard to stay awake.

[lusty tiger]

Pwar is the best

[prisma crane]

and responding to people as if they were is why it's hard for newer players to ask genuine questions

[strong forum]

Brew has gotten alot harder compared to previous xpacs

[lusty tiger]

Because pwar is the most cool

[tropic sundial]

No wonder all the bear druid npcs are always sleeping

[strong forum]

It's not mindless button mashing anymore

[lyric geode]

Protection isnt cool because it is a cool class. Protection became cool because it became stronger.

[thin silo]

There was a build on beta where Prot could out-dps mages just by spamming Heroic Throw
You're gonna have to do a lot better than that for evidence, lol

[lusty tiger]

It is a cool spec

My favorite

Lots of layers and fast paced

[prisma crane]

idk.. what about the single revenge one shotting a pack?

[lyric geode]

All that from a fotm POV. That is why this channel got swarmed by fotm.

[strong forum]

Wait till he finds out that pwars tanked 30s in SL before pre-patch

:gasp:

[lusty tiger]

No day 1 prot war is gonna be optimizing their rage gaining and spending amongst the other neat ins and outs of playing

[strong forum]

Or that every tank on beta tanked up to 20s on beta

Except maybe brew

[prisma crane]

yea but there's equivalents on other classes too, lets not pretend like we're the only class with nuance

[strong forum]

Trell stopped at 19 I think

:gasp:

[lusty tiger]

To me- it is the coolest nuance

[lyric geode]

I mean, everyone has some rage mechanic that needs to optimize anyway.

[lusty tiger]

Okok this doesn’t need to be a simp for other tanks venture

Clearly us being here every day we all think prot war is coolest and goodest

[torn gulch]

I feel like this chat has been invaded by FOTM slaves that have the most idiotic takes ever

always like this

[prisma crane]

for sure, i enjoy it too, and i only play warrior, but i dont want to fall into the trap of, my class is the toughest which is why im the best

[lusty grotto]

it happens ivan, not the first time

probably not the last

[prisma crane]

followed only by the ppl who complain about the FOTM hoppers

[sick sentinel]

Anyone have the link to the monk discord?

[pallid quiver]

nah our class is easy as fuck right now

[sick sentinel]

plz link

[lusty tiger]

Was editing removed from this channel?

[torn gulch]

😂

[lusty tiger]

Will I seem illiterate forever because of apple

[lusty grotto]

search peak of serenity in google?

[flat comet]

i like how prot on average feels like im playing offensively more than defensively compared to when im on prot pal

[pallid quiver]

Particularly when compared to the activity time of S3/4 SL

[lyric geode]

I think that it should be implement a class only per server. I would finally get rid of fotm.

[lusty tiger]

Just no tank resource flows the way rage does

[lusty grotto]

i just like making fun of them, but no hate

[pallid quiver]

But it's not even just this Discord that's been rough recently. Serenity's had some priblem children, too.

New xpac feels, I guess

[prisma crane]

hot take, playing prot when you feel like you HAVE to play as defensively as possible all the time isnt fun, start of BFA for example

[lusty grotto]

it happens

[strong forum]

Generally all tanks play like that tho?

[signal plover]

Anyone know if the "Pyroblast" cast from the add on Mythic Eranog is refleactable. I don't think it's on the reflect sheet ATM and I didn't get to test the fight on mythic.

[strong forum]

Playing optimally defensively includes being offensive and aggressive

That is a thing for all tanks

And vice versa

[prisma crane]

take less dmg when it dies faster

[strong forum]

Not just that

[torn gulch]

yea roles in WoW especially in high content are more fluid now

[pallid quiver]

In my case for Prot Pally at least, it feels like you're investing in defense more due to SotR. It's just the feel rather than how it is

[strong forum]

Everything ties together

[fierce field]

think about it as actively playing rather than passively playing.

[torn gulch]

tanks play offensive healers play offensive

[lyric geode]

Yeah!!! All tank runs!! Lets gooo!!!

[torn gulch]

it's not enough to just tank or heal anymore

[pallid quiver]

But I'm also mega biased towards pink class, so no one should ever hold my opinions as valid

[lusty grotto]

but sotr IS damage

[tropic sundial]

Sotr really has 0 oomph to it

[torn gulch]

i love those tbh i always do some with my guild

[sick sentinel]

don't create extra confusion for your self is my advice

keep things simple

[pallid quiver]

It's like what Arcana says

It feels like not damage

But it is

[tropic sundial]

No feedback to it yes

[lusty grotto]

thats another problem entirely

[fierce field]

I was curious how far 5x guardian could get just using after the wildfire for healing

[torn gulch]

the true definition of bear squad

[strong forum]

Well I can assure you

We will run atleast 1 guardian with wildfire

[prisma crane]

im assured

[tulip kelp]

What do you guys think we'll see week 1? Easy enough to hit M15s? Or is that gonna be a struggle?

[fierce field]

in your M+ nome? 🙂

[strong forum]

I will aim for 20s

Yeah in my group

[prisma crane]

depends on your group, there will be some people doing 20 carries

[lusty tiger]

Reassurance rests in the sea

[torn gulch]

people doing 20 s maybe but people doing 20 carries press x to doubt

[prisma crane]

but 15s is a good goal to shoot for, 20s being nice but not likely without a group used to doing keys at that level in the first place, particularly undergeared

[strong forum]

From what it looks like, we will be 1pwar 1vdh 2ppal 1guardian

[prisma crane]

yumy was already talking about it on his stream yesterday, it wont be many ppl but some might, we'll see, dont need to be on time anyways to get the weekly

[lyric geode]

Not brm? Sad...

[lusty grotto]

depends entirely on your group

[tulip kelp]

I'll have to pug two dps

[torn gulch]

if we're talking those kind of runs sure

[tulip kelp]

I have prot war, rdruid, havoc DH friends

[lusty grotto]

yeah well results may vary

[torn gulch]

in my guild people are willing to do 1-2h runs to get a 20

[lusty grotto]

ill def go as far as i can

[torn gulch]

kekeke

[prisma crane]

hell i'll struggle for 2 hours to carry a 20 if i can get like 2-3 M for it

[strong forum]

Brm would be huge cuz of their dumb aoe +5% phys dmg, but we don't have anyone that wants to play monk

[prisma crane]

no clue why ppl pay so much but they do

[lusty grotto]

thankfully i have a WW monk 🙂

[strong forum]

I think some people already have boosts booked for goldcap

[prisma crane]

yep, thats insane but that's the wow we live in

[lyric geode]

That is quite depressing.

[torn gulch]

we need like 15 tanks and 15 healers to cover our guild needs for next week

[prisma crane]

yea the ppl doing 20 carries arent primary raiders

they're busy already

[torn gulch]

we might have the tanks but we might not have the healers

[lusty grotto]

im more worried about what im gonna do for raids

tbh

[lyric geode]

To be fair, the tank dmg from mythic raid isnt difficult.

[lusty grotto]

i dont raid mythic

its not about the damage

more tanks means less spots

[lyric geode]

Not on the early bosses.

[strong forum]

It's about sending a message

[torn gulch]

i'm ignoring raiding for a while m+ and crafting gives decent enough gear

[lyric geode]

It can have some roadblocks to be fair.

[chrome falcon]

is dragon games equipment stonks

[strong forum]

Yes

[chrome falcon]

do we have trinket sims out actually

[strong forum]

Also yes

[chrome falcon]

ok lemme just go do that

[ocean finch]

Hey! What embellishment are we going for our shield?

[strong forum]

None that stand out

Any will do, or just pick none and wait until we have definite ones

Neck is looking good

Bracers are looking good

[torn gulch]

i mean we can recraft and add embelishments later

[strong forum]

Ye but not if you craft hearth

[tulip kelp]

Wait so if you finish a 20 in 2 hours you still get vualt for it?

[strong forum]

Yes

[torn gulch]

yep

[chrome falcon]

oh damn

[strong forum]

All you need to do is complete the key to count towards vault

[autumn urchin]

you can finish in any time and get vault

[pallid quiver]

So I haven't raided in a few xpacs

How terrible of an idea is it to try and pug heroic week 1?

[torn gulch]

but if you want a full 421 vault you need 8 20's

[chrome falcon]

football trinket IS stonks

[strong forum]

You don't need to time it

[strong forum]

Lots of people do that

[lyric geode]

Hahaha

You need to find a 20s key though

[strong forum]

You won't get aotc week1

But usually decently far

[lyric geode]

Good luck

[chrome falcon]

what are you/did you spend your spark on @strong forum

[pallid quiver]

Should I suffer as DPS or try and tank? I have no idea what pug raid landscape is like anymore

[lusty grotto]

like i said, its gonna be rough if there are more tanks in the pool

[ocean finch]

I guess I fcked up then by choosing this embellishment?

[prisma crane]

if you plan to pug, do it sooner than later, weekend pugs are a cluster fuck, tuesday/wednesday pugs are great

[lusty grotto]

no? you can remove it on a recraft

[lyric geode]

Usually just tank swap, but positioning is the key.

[pallid quiver]

... i should probably try to tank then to control the crazies

[ocean finch]

Oh, so if I recraft I can pick another one?

[lusty grotto]

or just pick none and remove it

[lusty grotto]

i mean if youre making your own groups you're good, but if you're applying it will be rough. More tanks = less spots

its an unfortunate side effect

but more tanks is a good thing

[ocean finch]

I see, ty
What would our second item with spark be? Ring?

[lyric geode]

Usually the tank is the lead. Because of how little spots are for tanks. They usually become raidleaders.

[lusty grotto]

you can check out pins and maybe keep checking this week for updates

[lyric geode]

Oh yes.

USA gets its w1 on Tuesday for some reason.

Eu is stack in in the L

[lusty grotto]

we will see

blizzard did say that raid diff would be a step down from SL

so it could happen

[lyric geode]

Limit is going for the RWF.

[ocean finch]

Oh! Then just accept picking shield and maybe go for what turns out to be the best in 3 weeks if shield isnt the best?

[torn gulch]

like the last 7 tiers

[lyric geode]

If I could bet it, I would put my house on it.

[lusty grotto]

wdym? you get a spark tomorrow

we will see how Max and co do

[lyric geode]

Is there a gambling platform that allows these kind of bets?

[brisk laurel]

yes

[torn gulch]

not for rwf as it is not sanctioned esports

[lyric geode]

Sad...

[lyric geode]

Dm me.

[dusky canopy]

Men I’m telling you

[torn gulch]

unless you can do very custom bets but i don't believe that is the case

[dusky canopy]

Make shield

And move on

[ocean finch]

I mean like the pins says, it might be necklace and helm that will be the best, so I have already used one spark for shield right now, that means if I wanna change shield to helm I need to wait until the third spark?

[blazing condor]

say neigh to gambling

[torn gulch]

in my case first 3 sparks will go to weapon shield neck

[blazing condor]

🐴

[torn gulch]

then we'll see

[lyric geode]

Ok

[lusty grotto]

why woudl you change it, just remove the embelishment

[dusky canopy]

We will be swimming in sparks

[lusty grotto]

you can keep using the shield without the embelishment

[blazing condor]

how do missives work

[dusky canopy]

Just do the shield worry about bis when we get there

[lusty grotto]

and it doesnt count for embelishment-equipped

[torn gulch]

you just put them in the crafting recipe

[ocean finch]

Yea but I cant craft any big ilvl piece without spark?

[blazing condor]

and crafters sort it out?

[torn gulch]

no

[trim bay]

But you can re craft what you already have and remove the embellishment

[torn gulch]

yes

[stark pelican]

Not entirely true. You can craft a non spark item with a matrix 4-5 and get a high ilvl to plug holes

[torn gulch]

but they will prefer a rank 3 missive because it adds less difficulty

[ocean finch]

Then if I remove embellishment I will get a shitty ilvl item for neck in that case to use correct embellishment and then use my second spark for helm

If that turns out to be the best

[torn gulch]

he's probably reffering to 400+ titan 4 is beans

[stark pelican]

Gotcha fair nuff

[lusty grotto]

you cant remove embelishment on neck, its perma'd. You can only remove it from Primal Molten Defender or pieces that use an embelishment slot for crafting

[torn gulch]

all high level crafts require sparks if you do 2 hands you need 2 sparks per craft

furry warrs in the mud

there are certain items with their own custom embelishments that cannot be changed

[lyric geode]

2 kinds of love I have. -Gambling, -Video games. Maybe both at the same time playing slots so...

[torn gulch]

and then there is a pool of embelihsments that can be added to any piece of gear

[lusty grotto]

two weeks from now you'll get your 3rd spark, so you will be able to have all 3 @ocean finch

[torn gulch]

neck has a unique embelishment

[lusty grotto]

the only limiting factor is how many embelishments you can equip at the same time

[torn gulch]

2+the food one

[lusty grotto]

helm and neck are perma embelishments

molten defender is not a perma one

[dusky canopy]

Yeah spikes probably not bis

[ocean finch]

Yea that was my conclusion, just that I cant craft a high ilvl neck and helm for example this first week cause I have already used one spark for shield

[dusky canopy]

Maybe in aoe

[torn gulch]

that is correct

[lusty grotto]

well yes thats correct

[chrome falcon]

So we think that spending spark on shield is the move?

[prisma crane]

yessir

[lyric geode]

Yes

[torn gulch]

that is why people said do not use your sparks

[lusty grotto]

most of us have

[dusky canopy]

Full send

[lusty grotto]

as has Nome

[dusky canopy]

Shield is best item

Shield gamers

[chrome falcon]

Is a full highest ilvl crafted shield bis?

[torn gulch]

i mean shield weapon are probably priorities

[prisma crane]

tbh no reason to save the spark unless you're WF raiding and need to save for a slot that got cucked

[chrome falcon]

And are we going shield of the hearth?

[lyric geode]

@dusky canopy sus name

[ocean finch]

Well that is not correct, people have said use for shield, hence why I have used it on shield

[lusty grotto]

we're not going hearth

[prisma crane]

na you want the other one

[lusty grotto]

cause perma embelishment

and cant change stats

[chrome falcon]

Ok ty gang

[pallid quiver]

Most people are grabbing, yeah for that

[dusky canopy]

I’ve been “Brew” before freakin monks bro

[chrome falcon]

Yeah wasn’t sure if hearth embellishment was good

[pallid quiver]

Since you can remove the embellishment later if need be

It's not that Hearth's embellishment is bad, per se,

[prisma crane]

pretty sure monks invented drinking

[torn gulch]

fair enough

[lusty grotto]

its ok, its just not better than the others iirc

[pallid quiver]

It's just that it's a commitment to that slot being one of your two

[dusky canopy]

Wisco boys invented drinking 🤣

[pallid quiver]

And Lariat is likely going to be one of those slots locked atm

[prisma crane]

ha

[torn gulch]

and crafting items on tier sets is not advisable at the moment for peeps that think about the helm

[pallid quiver]

I'm personally assuming I ain't getting Lariat until 2 more weeks out because I'm wagering it's gonna be expensive as fuck and I ain't made of money

[torn gulch]

or you're lucky and a guildmate gets the recipe

[pallid quiver]

the fuck's a guildmate

[torn gulch]

well shit

:))

[pallid quiver]

i haven't had a guild since mop

[dusky canopy]

You guys have guilds?

[pallid quiver]

hence why my decisions are,

semi-guided

I also made the assumption that I likely won't get reliable raid clears for anything, meaning my tier set acquisition will be slow, so I actually opted to craft Helm. It'll also let me see how strong that embel is in proper M+

i recommend like no other normal person follow my course

[torn gulch]

seems fair i will have 4 set in 10 weeks myself unless i see them in the vault

[lyric geode]

And people will hang around with 4 set week one.

[prisma crane]

one of the few things blizz needs to still correct, that gate on the tier making machine needs to come WAY down

[torn gulch]

unless you do a lot of splits and stuff I doubt that will be the case

[lyric geode]

Also, I remember that @chrome falcon has blocked me for some reason.

[neon elk]

Soo, how much screwed am i going to be trinket wise when i domt raid ? Are there any viable and actualy good ones in m+ pool?

[lyric geode]

Isnt now group looted?

[pallid quiver]

I think like, last I checked, every single existing trinket is ok at best, across raid and M+

[torn gulch]

yes but other peeps will need the gear as well

[prisma crane]

will still be doing splits to get 4 set week 1

[torn gulch]

do you think you'll be funneled to have 4 set?

unless you do splits and stuff

[prisma crane]

i can promise if you're not doing splits to funnel, the tank CERTAINLY wont be funneled tier

[uneven mason]

I have a guild, I'm the leader, we all quit during 9.0.5 and we're slowly coming back, I figured at the rate my membership is returning I'll have a 10man heroic crew by 10.1, in the meantime I've got a 5 crew hungry for m+

[torn gulch]

is the trinket from first boss still decent?

you can at least raid for first boss on normal and heroic

if that trinket is still good

[uneven mason]

I'll probably do a weekly pug and recruit from it

[torn gulch]

might go on a 2/2/6 with guildmates for group 4

my guild already has 3 groups going to raid

might find some guildies alts to do a 2/2/6 otherwise no raid for me

but m+ and crafting gives decent gear anyway

[lyric geode]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-clarifying-how-group-loot-will-work-in-dragonflight-and-no-weapon-boes-329108

[lusty grotto]

if i can convince my friends to make a team we will probably need an extra tank

so if anyone is interested for heroic

do let me know NA side

[chrome falcon]

Ok sorry just to clarify if I craft something with a spark

Recrafting doesn't cost another spark, right?

[mighty valley]

Correct

[lusty grotto]

no

[torn gulch]

no

[chrome falcon]

Tight tight tight

[lusty grotto]

yes that's correct sorry

[chrome falcon]

What are you embellishing it with

[torn gulch]

the shield?

[chrome falcon]

yee

[lusty grotto]

some people do spikes, i havent done any yet

[mighty valley]

i did armor spikes, just to feel something

[torn gulch]

spikes or take the other one with perma embelishment

[mighty valley]

you can remove spikes later if you want a different embellishment setup at least

can't remove the hearth one

[torn gulch]

might do the one with spikes because i can set stats

[dusky canopy]

Spikes is decent if you pull massive

ST

Is meh

[torn gulch]

perfect for m+ then

[lusty grotto]

its better than nothing

[dusky canopy]

^^

[torn gulch]

pulling wall to wall then dying in 10s

[dusky canopy]

Same but not the dying part

[torn gulch]

doing 30% before last boss in academy and having melee dps die in cleaves

in one pull

[mighty valley]

the new group damage paradigm is gonna generate some bad salty tanks

[torn gulch]

that pull is so freaky tbh

[mighty valley]

"i didn't die, why are you all so bad" when they pulled more than anyone could possibly kick/defensive through

[torn gulch]

there is quite a bit of unavoidable aoe

[dusky canopy]

That’s what I’ve been saying harrow

[torn gulch]

if you're not careful

[lusty grotto]

yeah harrow i've mentioned it a few times

[dusky canopy]

We’re used to only worrying about our damage intake

Now we gotta concern ourselves with the group

[mighty valley]

there's the room in uldaman where even in m0 pulling two packs just generates a ton of group damage, I can't even identify where it's coming from

[dusky canopy]

[unreal lily]

Are you guys enchanting all your mythic 0 gear or do you wait till a certain point because it will be replaced?

[torn gulch]

or someone like a dh pressing the hunt and beaming 0.001s into the pull

[strong forum]

Shield with crit/haste and armor spikes

[lusty grotto]

probably the dwarf casters

[strong forum]

I enchanted all of it with cheap enchants

[lusty grotto]

harrow

[torn gulch]

using cheaper enchants and focusing on the titan crafted, 385 stuff etc

[lusty grotto]

biggest damage are them and the earth blobs on the ground

[strong forum]

Since I'll take this gear into 15s quite quickly

[unreal lily]

alright cool thanks guys

[dusky canopy]

Titan mark IVs are basically throw away no?

[strong forum]

Yes

[torn gulch]

like don't put sophic rank 3 on a m0 weapon

[mighty valley]

i guess people are just not really noticing brown circles on the brown ground that cause a brown screen glow?

[torn gulch]

:))

[lusty grotto]

and perhaps the dot stacking at the infinite dudes part

[dusky canopy]

Like toss into a slot to get some ilvl but no big deal otherwise

[strong forum]

Mark 4s are up to 382, can't do anything else with em, so use em

To get gear better than m0

[dusky canopy]

Word

[lusty grotto]

i cant remember the names of the mobs

but

the dwarf casters channel an aoe