protection

[tired pivot]

or none at all

if you can not understand this

[cobalt seal]

@tired pivot pls stop

[tired pivot]

you should stop asking about it, as you have bigger problems

[cobalt seal]

Stop giving bad advices

[warm plinth]

I didn't ask shit dude, I'm correcting what you said in response to someone else lol

[tired pivot]

correcting what?

the fact that using your resources in a better way is called optimizing?

[cobalt seal]

You saying m0 make you overcap more

[warm plinth]

The fact that harder content means there's a difference in how you spend rage

[tired pivot]

is this what you disagree with?

[warm plinth]

When it doesn't

[tired pivot]

yes, m0 will make you ovecrap more

[warm plinth]

No, it won't

[cobalt seal]

Nope

[tired pivot]

.

[cobalt seal]

Stop that

[warm plinth]

Because you will still press IP to not overcap

[tired pivot]

goodbye

[cobalt seal]

Bye

[warm plinth]

Bye Felicia

[lyric geode]

Lol

[warm plinth]

So, to answer your question correctly, we do generate a lot of rage, and you do need to be on top of your game to make sure you're not overcapping. Use Revenge a lot, use IP when that isn't enough (while obviously keeping Shield Block up)

[lyric geode]

@tired pivot you don't want to overcap because the rage you dont spend is less avatar uptime. Since spending rage reduce avatar cd.

[inland raft]

so basically we coming out of the gate playing a lot like how often we dont til late xpac

[tired pivot]

drop it

[uneven mason]

Trying to figure out why harder content means more capping in any logical way.

[tired pivot]

stop pinging me

if you do not understand that more damage taken=more button presses=less rage leftover=less ovecapping

[cobalt seal]

Stop giving bad info

Like

Stop

[tired pivot]

I have nothing more to say

[cobalt seal]

Ffs

[jagged pier]

rage is standardized from damage taken

[cobalt seal]

Stop

[warm plinth]

You're the one not understanding here dude. That's what we're trying to tell you.

[jagged pier]

u dont get more rage for more damage

[warm plinth]

The number of buttons you press does not change depending on how hard the content is.

[tired pivot]

you spend more rage with more damage taken

[uneven mason]

Amazingly they figured out that we should actually have resources and that restrictions on that as a balancing measures just lead to shit gameplay

[cobalt seal]

You dont

[warm plinth]

You do not spend more rage with more damage taken.

[uneven mason]

Wat

[jagged pier]

u spend the same

[strong forum]

You spend the same amount of rage wherether you take high dmg or not

[jagged pier]

☝️

[proven flax]

more damage taken = more casts of IP needed = less rage you can "potentially" have to worry about overcapping

[lyric geode]

I think he is stack at classic wow, when protection warrior gets rage from dmg taken?

[cobalt seal]

What

[tired pivot]

this here is my logic

and it is true, no?

[warm plinth]

You don't care how many casts of IP you need though is what I'm trying to say.

[cobalt seal]

The logic is wrong

[uneven mason]

If you really get down to it, harder content gives you less rage because of smaller pulls

[warm plinth]

You press it regardless.

[strong forum]

Nah you press IP irrespective of dmg intake

[jagged pier]

☝️

[uneven mason]

This

[strong forum]

Literally doesn't matter

You always use the same amount of it

[tired pivot]

so we always overcap the same amount regardless of damage intake?

[warm plinth]

The only difference is how much of that IP is going to be wasted (low content = more wasted IP) but it's better to waste IP than rage.

[lyric geode]

Yep

[strong forum]

You dont overcap rage, you overcap IP

[tired pivot]

I mean, this was my whole point

(low content = more wasted IP)

if ip is wasted

it is directly rage wasted

[strong forum]

You don't care about "wasting" IP

[warm plinth]

It is not rage wasted.

[strong forum]

No it's not kabum

[sweet summit]

you realize anger management exists

[tired pivot]

now that is something entirely different

[minor helm]

IP sucks just spend the rage

[warm plinth]

Because we spend the rage for CDR, not for the absorb.

[strong forum]

Wasted rage is only the rage you don't spend

[sweet summit]

so the rage is not wasted

[jovial birch]

The only thing that changes with content difficulty is where you are spending your rage. Offensively on revenge which is what is going on most right now and defensively on ignore pain. You spend the same amount regardless just where is it allotted.

[strong forum]

Kinda

[tired pivot]

it is still a worse use of rage

[proven flax]

Its the IP that goes to waste, less so in harder content

[waxen frigate]

@cobalt seal do you have a different weird hashtag for every tankcord

[tender cove]

I actually get what you mean, it just doesn't work like that.

[strong forum]

The rage is there for anger management, outburst and indomitable

[hard vessel]

You start over capping press ip, or you kiss play even if you overcap fucking ip cause you don't take dmg, it doesn't matter

[minor helm]

Actually overcapping and not using the rage at all is worse

[warm plinth]

Like I do get your point Kabum, but it just isn't relevant to our gameplay.

[jovial birch]

Spending rage reduces your shield wall CD which we also don’t need to use right now.

[warm plinth]

We don't care about wasted IP at all

[strong forum]

Worrying about fully effective used IPs is not relevant

[jovial birch]

So you want to be spending it.

[hard vessel]

The moment your rage bar hits 100 you fuckd up

[lyric geode]

!

[strong forum]

That's like saying Deathstriking for dmg on bdk is wasted on low content cuz you overheal

[tired pivot]

hm, that is fair, if IP will be getting overcapped anyway, it doesn't really matter

[cobalt seal]

I should rename myself codex

[tired pivot]

it would be going into min-maxing teritory

[cobalt seal]

Maybe people would like me more

[waxen frigate]

[cobalt seal]

[strong forum]

It's not min-maxing territory

[sage granite]

welcome to this discord

[strong forum]

It's just suboptimal

Trying to "optimise" IP being used, is a dps loss

A survival loss

[proven flax]

True, you dont want to be overcapping IP but its the easiest dump, in an ideal world, you could be able to keep IP uncapped and still have enough rage left over to keep pressing revenge as much, while not capping

[tired pivot]

well yeah, but I am wondering if there is something else we can change to keep the efficiency and waste less ip

[lyric geode]

I mean given context, if he is having fun playing his playstyle shouldn't be our problem.

[strong forum]

The only way to do that kabum is to spec into barbaric training

Cuz that way you barely get to press IP at all

And you'll just flop instead

[tired pivot]

fair enough

[proven flax]

your telling me we dont play barbaric training 😬

[strong forum]

Nop

[hard vessel]

So you guys think that big questions about the perfect ip usage increased since prot is meta?

[strong forum]

Nah

[uneven mason]

Wat

[hard vessel]

*considered meta

[strong forum]

People always tried to weasle their way around IP

Remember Never Surrender?

[warm plinth]

😂

[strong forum]

Remember the constant question about SB vs IP

[waxen frigate]

if you ignore ignore pain, it becomes a double negative and you just have pain

[warm plinth]

MAKE SURE TO PRESS IP AT ONE HP FOR MAXIMUM VALUE

[uneven mason]

"how does optimal IP"
"Jus press"

[warm plinth]

• Blizzard, probably

[strong forum]

Like they're valid questions

But

[obsidian path]

Don't argue with the answer

[proven flax]

I like having a full bar at all times, might be wrong

[hard vessel]

I just rember necro banner and smashing my keyboard so hard that my anybody could still here this in next room with closed door

[strong forum]

Yeah that

[warm plinth]

I know how we would waste less IP guys

[jovial birch]

I took the cobalt assembly power that puts you at 1 HP and made it my goal to fill my bar with IP 😂

[uneven mason]

Never surrender is that you?

[warm plinth]

Just give us 90% IP back 😏

[waxen frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/sweaty-speedruner-gif-20263880

shadowlands warrior

[obsidian path]

Pressing condemns

[warm plinth]

It is I, the greatest talent ever created

[uneven mason]

Sl warriors had nothing on Argus warriors

[edgy belfry]

i am so glad the banner is gone

[uneven mason]

Antorus rather

[warm plinth]

Wasn't banner basically taking care of itself at the end lol

[uneven mason]

Yeah

[warm plinth]

LIke you just had to remember to press it at the start of the dungeon and you were golden

😂

[tender cove]

1 day guild that has CE as their goal. How realistic do you think that is?
They're starting now with a small core of CE raiders and goal is 1 day CE for tier 2.

[uneven mason]

end of Legion prot was a 80rps 120apm monster

[warm plinth]

Depends on how hard the raid is and how long the tier is

[obsidian path]

Idk I was a queen boy, sparkly shockwave did go brrr

[proven flax]

Whats the correct build for M+ then?

[strong forum]

1 day CE raiding is possible, but requires insanely good players

[inland raft]

i mean you can get ce with a 1 day guild if the players are good but itll take a while just from time constraints

[proven flax]

This is what I am planning to run day 1

[slim dove]

also requires insanely strong mental

[tender cove]

I mean, they'll have me tanking for them so already they're starting behind xD

[strong forum]

Move enduring alacrity to show of force

Move barbaric training to intimidating shout and you got the meta build

[warm plinth]

Drop enduring alacrity and grab show of force imo

[inland raft]

personally i prefer 2 day guilds when im playing more casually like this xpac

still laid back but 2 is a good casual pace imo

[tender cove]

I'm more worried about the logistical aspects of it, ignore skill, is it really possible to execute just 1 day?

[strong forum]

The hard thing about 1day raiding is

You have to extend really early OR

[slim dove]

wiping on 1 boss for 5 hours straight lmao

[strong forum]

Reclear insanely fast

The benefit of 2 day raiding is 1 day reclear, 1 day progress

[inland raft]

ya your basically gearing from other sources and just clearing the raid to get the achieve unless you are insanely fast reclearers

[warm plinth]

man I really wish we could access piercing howl. Not that we need it anyway but I would just love to have it lol

[mellow bridge]

it's certainly possible with 1 day but very hard

[obsidian path]

Got the same-ish but with +show of force -impenetrable wall

[slim dove]

drop sidearm for it?

[tender cove]

yeh, i think they will start with 2 days to make sure we get CE so we can cut down to 1 day.
And I also think they will cheat a bit and add 1-2 days for start of tiers just because everyone is hungry for it.

[warm plinth]

well theoretically you could just drop impending victory and fast footwork to get it

But not worth

[limpid anchor]

If you they start extending the is after 3-4 weeks it should be easy

[inland raft]

given we in an xpac that we can actually tank, dont really see a reason for piercing howl ever

[limpid anchor]

Especially with a last push at the end of the season

[strong forum]

Lots of guilds do that, add additional raid days for a few early weeks to get to the harder bosses quicker

[inland raft]

if do end up ever needing to kite theres the normal measures anyways like trees/knockbacks/etc

[proven flax]

only thing I think I'd try is swap tough as nails for spell block in some content but yeah the fear seems solid as worst case, its a mass interupt

[warm plinth]

I will die before I kite anyway

I am no coward

[strong forum]

Spell Block is only really good in RLP

Maybe in totjs cuz 3rd boss

[sage granite]

must have done a lot of dying in SL s1

[strong forum]

But other than that, dont think it's good anywhere else

[proven flax]

I'd say RLP and TotJS

[warm plinth]

I mean, irl I'm a coward, but not in WoW

[mellow bridge]

does spell block even work vs 3rd boss of temple

[warm plinth]

nah I'm not a tank main haha. I DPS usually

[strong forum]

Should vs the combo ye

Atleast against the dmg

Not the absorb

[sage granite]

Not Algathar?

[warm plinth]

I just hang out in here to make sure Nome is giving out correct information

Gotta keep an eye on that guy

[strong forum]

Totjs is a Defenders Aegis + spell Block dungeon

[proven flax]

The strike yes, the kick don't think so

[strong forum]

Just because it's blockable doesn't mean it's useful

The bosses in algethar do fuckall vs the tank

[inland raft]

since havnt played around too much yet, is spell block/reflect an ability that autoswaps on bar or do i need to make a macro for it so can swap freely? not online right now

[sage granite]

So it's only good for first boss RLP?

[strong forum]

First boss RLP, couple of trash mobs

[warm plinth]

They are two separate abilities

[strong forum]

But yeh

Not much else

[mellow quartz]

Temple has a LOT of tank spell damage

[strong forum]

2nd boss too*

[mellow quartz]

I can see spell block on 2nd and third boss being useful in high keys

[sage granite]

dang thought we would be swapping to it fairly often

[warm plinth]

Spell Block is a longer CD that is basically shield block for spells

[mellow quartz]

also 2 trash packs in smbg on high fort I can see spell block

[strong forum]

Spell Block is insanely powerful but insanely useless

[warm plinth]

Spell Reflection is a 20 sec CD that mitigates magic damage and potentially reflects the first spell within 5 seconds or whatever the timer is

[strong forum]

Cuz 90% of all situations where spell Block is good, you have SW

[mellow quartz]

spell block is not spell reflect

[sage granite]

good point sir

[knotty idol]

Shield wall 💪
Spell block 💤

[strong forum]

The only time Spellblock is good when you need to rotate between SW and Spellblock

And those are rare

[warm plinth]

That is exactly what I was telling him 🤦‍♂️

[inland raft]

ya i know the difference, just wondering if need to make a macro so if swap the talent i can have the same keybind or if its one of the ones that auto swaps on bar depending what talent take

[warm plinth]

One does not replace the other

[sage granite]

whats the cooldown time on shield wall with otimal reduction?

[mellow quartz]

you said it reflected first hit inside 5s

[warm plinth]

You will have both at the same time

[strong forum]

50sec - 1min

[warm plinth]

?

[uneven mason]

Approximately 1m

[feral wing]

2 lines above that he explained the other

[sage granite]

cool hadn't actually worked out the timings yet cheers

[inland raft]

ah i see, for some reaon thought they were exclusive to each other

[uneven mason]

Can't block dot ticks with spellblock

[mellow quartz]

can think of 4 cases only right now, start of RLP, 4 pack with the void slash in smbg, 2nd and 3rd bosses in Temple where spell block might see use

[sage granite]

here's another Q for you - how much concideration do you give on holding demo shout for avatar when they are desynced? or just everything on CD?

[mellow quartz]

use on cd

[strong forum]

Pmuch

Don't hold CDs

[warm plinth]

Shield Wall on cooldown ✊

kidding

[sage granite]

hearthstone on CD

[inland raft]

we arent paladins though

[warm plinth]

just taught a lurker bad things because he left before I said kidding sadge

[icy yarrow]

that is a pally thing

[inland raft]

bubble hearth when the pugs make you mad is a pally play

[strong forum]

https://imgflip.com/i/741cjs

[warm plinth]

Nah you know what's really fun though

being a zandalari paladin and using bubble+regeneratin' lol

I get a huge kick out of it

[sand mason]

Do we ever take the silence shout? I haven’t seen it in any of the builds but I feel like it would own in several dungeons?

[inland raft]

still undecided on primary alt protpal or havoc dh

[strong forum]

Disruptive shout is really good in RLP

[inland raft]

i do miss the agency protpal has over helping teammates

[strong forum]

And probably notgud

[warm plinth]

I don't think disruptive is an actual silence right? It only does the silence if it kicks them?

Or am I wrong

[strong forum]

Yes

It's an aoe interrupt

Not an aoe silence

[knotty idol]

It should be a silence imo

[warm plinth]

Yeah we need to make it completely overpowered

warriors too weak

[obsidian path]

Like the wotlk talent that silences on weapon throw ?

[warm plinth]

RIP gag order

We will always miss you

[sand mason]

I feel like you could still get 4 interrupts with it on decent pulls pretty consistently

[obsidian path]

Weapon throw had a 1 min cd tho

[knotty idol]

Nah just qol, if mobs casts are desynced it feels bad to use

[warm plinth]

what about shield slam purge 🙏

[slim dove]

titanic throw + gag order

[proven flax]

I really wanted Disrupting Shout to be good but sadly there is no use for it

[sand mason]

I feel like it would be a nice way to gather mobs at start of pull? Charge into a 3 pack of casters, they start sync casting, silence, charge to next 4 pack - start blasting?

[warm plinth]

just run it when you have a fury war in the group so you can have two aoe taunts and prevent them from floorpoving for 6 more seconds

[icy yarrow]

i doubt it... will see S2 when Infusion Halls join the party

[sand mason]

I feel like it would own in ruby and nokhold?

[cobalt seal]

@strong forum I have this SL trinkets (Aegis/RDM and Codex) which one should I keep and use?

[warm plinth]

I hear codex is bis kappa

[proven flax]

problem being is what do you take the point out of :/

bracken I'd say its 100% worth it in season 2

[hasty echo]

hello there, you guys knows if wowhead/IV prot guide will be updated soon with raid gear and trinkets?

[sand mason]

Actually very true… lmao fml

[strong forum]

IV won't do a bis list afaik

[uneven mason]

Maybe trinkets

[strong forum]

Don't know about wowhead tho

[sand mason]

I was playing my vdh alt and all I could think about was “damn… warriors need one of these silence rings” lol

[uneven mason]

Llarolldddd will bis list vers stacking like always

[sand mason]

I’m curious if alchemy stone is the play 👀

[uneven mason]

Does it have high str

[sand mason]

No str but big proc

Baseline haste or verse - big main stat proc.

[tropic sundial]

what about getting a lot of sockets and using one of the JC trinkets

[strong forum]

Idol is pretty bad

[tired pivot]

how often is shield of the heart proccing? do we want to go for it over molten defender?

[strong forum]

60% uptime

50-60%*

[tired pivot]

hm that makes it far less appealing to me

[proven flax]

haste crit not haste vers?

[tired pivot]

haste vers will be my craft

[warm plinth]

you also can't embellish it (effect counts as one) and you can't remove the embellishment in recrafting, and you can't customize the stats :/

[tired pivot]

more tanky

[strong forum]

Same brother

[warm plinth]

molten defender definitely the play

[severe hatch]

Are the spikes actually good?

[strong forum]

They're pretty alright

[tired pivot]

I was thinking the same yeah, was wondering if the vers proc will make up for the lack of vers or haste in the stats

[strong forum]

Within the power target of 1%

If you get lucky it can be as much as 3.5% in st

I had 35 procs in 5 minutes of it

On ST

[sand mason]

Is crit better than Vers for m+? 😮

[tired pivot]

not for the tanky

which will probably more relevant later

for damage yes

ofc, but the flat reduction from vers will be helpful on the unavoidable aoe damage where it will matter

[sand mason]

Haste makes me feel tanky imo

[obsidian path]

Crit is more damage and more random defense

[sand mason]

So I understand your sentiment ev

[obsidian path]

Vers is less random less damage IIRC

[tired pivot]

the sentiment comes from the extremely high m+ runs where it is true

but I agree that it applies far less on lower-mid keys

[pallid hollow]

Back in my day, we farm avoidance gear to push keystone

[obsidian path]

It's like vanilla Diablo3 where yoy dodge 90% but the last 10% undodged oneshot you

[tired pivot]

tho it will still be more helpful with surviving even if you are worse at the game

[proven flax]

Oh legion where 20% avoidance was needed to live in some keys

[strong forum]

When has it mattered tho

For tanks

That's the big question

Nobody answers

[tired pivot]

well, I remember that in bfa, every tank was stacking all the vers they could find

generally everyone was

[strong forum]

Yeah. Only 4 years ago

Hmmm

[tired pivot]

not sure about SL

[strong forum]

When yiu could get 90% vers

[tired pivot]

did not play during it

[sharp bone]

oh sweet corruptions

deadge

[strong forum]

Thing is

Just getting a bit of vers isn't gonna do fuckall

[warm plinth]

fuck corruptions

[pallid hollow]

whenever such advanced questions asked, where it goes to a very specific situation. I feel like you will not be asking said qustion if you're already playing in that specific situation

[strong forum]

^^

This

[warm plinth]

It's like bastion of might. It was good because it was an absolute fuckload of stats, not because we had any sort of undying love for mastery

[strong forum]

Vers matters more for dps than tanks

Unironically

[severe hatch]

TL;DR Tank survivability unlikely to be the limiting factor in key pushes in DF

[strong forum]

Cuz they get hit with the 1shotd

Tanks aren't

[warm plinth]

Yeah, tanks generally shrug that shit off anyway

[obsidian path]

Outside of crafted gear, I don't think I'll have much choice with stats before a long time. Even when doing loadza m+

[strong forum]

And that

Yes

[obsidian path]

ilvl will be king-ish

[warm plinth]

@ionic fern is my king

[strong forum]

Having a 5% vers diff on your gear does practically nothing, it won't magically net you a higher key level of success

[severe hatch]

Just try not to pick up unnecessary mastery and don't worry about the rest

[obsidian path]

If it comes with more strength I'll take the mastery 😁

[strong forum]

❗ purely technically on average speaking ❗ crit is the best defensive stat as most dmg in m+ is and will be melee dmg and thus parry able

[tired pivot]

the vers arguments are a bit on both ends. it will help you more even if you are playing bad, but it won't make you do higher content, like any other stat won't

[warm plinth]

lmao I love that you edited that for even more emphasis

[strong forum]

Don't want nerds to screenshot it out of context

[warm plinth]

Italics were not enough, need emojis

[obsidian path]

You know most people only remember ONE part : best = crit

[warm plinth]

remember when Nome said this guys

[obsidian path]

Meme of the busty anime girl being photographied

[ionic fern]

No you.

[blazing condor]

mwahi is my you

[warm plinth]

I have to pick my next alt to level

Do I pick a different class or do a 2nd warrior 💪

[strong forum]

2ndxwarrior

[warm plinth]

I only have 35 left to level

not too bad

[past lark]

People who do second of the same class are whack to me

[warm plinth]

Oh you don't even know

[past lark]

Those people for sure only eat chicken nuggets and fries since they were kids

I knew someone would say it lmfaooo

Nothings wrong with nuggies, but somethings definitely wrong if that’s all you eat every day

[minor aurora]

If they earned their Goodboy points let them enjoy there nuggies or chicken tendies

[slate kestrel]

has anyone looked into the crafted gear bonuseffect thingys and tested what's best for prot? :S

[past lark]

Yes, i have looked into them

I’ll let you know in a couple months

[tropic sundial]

see Embellishments in the pins

[warm plinth]

[deft vessel]

thoughts?

[slate kestrel]

ty!

[past lark]

Whyyy

[warm plinth]

Because reasons

[warm plinth]

I'd probably run essence and shell

[autumn urchin]

ampoule sucks

[obsidian rampart]

You got the first one on super rare ?

[warm plinth]

Yeah, ampoule is lame and bad and I want it to burn in hell

[slate kestrel]

i'm using shell and essence currently

[deft vessel]

the essence and shell are from super rares, the ampoule from one of the weekly quests in the obsidian citadel

[warm plinth]

It does absolute garbage damage because of the heal. Like every trinket does more damage than that

by a lot

[deft vessel]

figured as well

[tropic sundial]

Same. 382 shell and 372 essence here.

[strong forum]

Shell + essence

[slate kestrel]

probably everyone is using shell and essence purely because of ilvl 😄

[deft vessel]

flame buff for shell right?

[strong forum]

Ye

[tropic sundial]

I like Essence being a stat stick lol

[deft vessel]

cool, thanks all

[warm plinth]

I just wanna know how much movement speed that ends up being 👀

[strong forum]

That essence even has leech God damn

[tender zealot]

lifeflame is a really bad trinket

[deft vessel]

upgraded 😄

[slate kestrel]

tbh i like the movement buff 😄

[warm plinth]

I need you to stack the movement buff to 100 and see how fast you go

ZZZZOOOOOOOOOM

[deft vessel]

I might do later on a dummy if I don't forget

[slate kestrel]

not that fast even at 382 😦

[warm plinth]

really?

[outer thorn]

did some testing with D.U.C.K.O.Y. It shares cd with combat potions, it seems like it makes all mobs in a fairly large radius walk towards it for maybe 2 seconds and then it explodes.

[warm plinth]

i don't know what the new conversion rate is for speed to %

[slate kestrel]

where's the dummy in valdrakken?

[obsidian path]

You know this is how things work

[sand mason]

There are some near the pvp vendor

Inside

[tropic sundial]

below the inn, same level as engineering. Next to pvp quest/vendor

[slate kestrel]

ah, thanks

well... afk till 100 stacks 😄

[warm plinth]

genius

[slate kestrel]

Speed 50% at least that's what the character sheet is saying

[warm plinth]

at 100%?

er

100 stacks

[slate kestrel]

ye

[warm plinth]

I am really glad it doesn't lose stat budget for that effect lol

[slate kestrel]

😂

[tropic sundial]

yeah the effect is more like a side bonus on top of the budget lol

[warm plinth]

so it's approximately 280 speed per 1% then

[fringe pewter]

Witch crafted item should i make as my first ?

[obsidian path]

Thanks, did a bit of advice-giving back in the day. I know that there is room for only 1 thing in most heads and that's not what you want them to remember

[slate kestrel]

i have never seen it stack hight than 10 anyway 😄

[slate kestrel]

i'm going for weapon + neck ... but weapon just because i'm a swordsmith 😄

[fringe pewter]

haha, yea im full on gather soo 😄

[slate kestrel]

ring with autosocket isn't bad i guess

[rough solar]

What is this "Essence" trinket you are talking about?

[slate kestrel]

but no primary stat on a high ilvl slot is kinda bad, right? :S

[slate kestrel]

the first in this screenshot

[fringe pewter]

Hmm might go with a neck now that you reminded me about that

[slate kestrel]

neck will only be available after reset and invasions iirc

[fringe pewter]

Hmm well atleast reset is just around the corner 😄

[rough solar]

ty

[jade panther]

ç)=

[heavy temple]

What is the state of our sims? good for ST, but not so good for multiple targets?

[strong forum]

It's better for aoe than its been before

But I didn't bother optimising it much

It's fairly close to real environments but not optimised

No fine tuning

[hexed obsidian]

whats the recommended ilevel for raid?

[sick sentinel]

no idea but my guess is 375 to 380

[mellow quartz]

Normal? Heroic? Mythic?

[hexed obsidian]

normal

just day 1 raid

[mellow quartz]

What’s your ilvl?

[hexed obsidian]

250 mix of honor and 276 gear for m0 world tour

[mellow quartz]

376?

[hexed obsidian]

*300 gear mb

[mellow quartz]

Mean your average ilvl

Shown in your character info

[hexed obsidian]

350 il is average

[tropic sundial]

oof

[mellow quartz]

Might be a bit low

[covert topaz]

is there a raid bis list out? checked pins and didnt see one

[fierce field]

There is no BIS list. Just go off the stat priority.

[wary heath]

360 to 372 is fine for normal

[mellow quartz]

If you plan on pugging you might have a hard time. If you play with a guild then 🤷‍♂️

[hexed obsidian]

got really unlucky with m0 drops got the shield from rubylife pools that is really good on prot, then got slapped in the face with 2 more intellect shields

[wary heath]

HP stays at full

[fierce field]

Intellect shields? don't all shields flip str/int based on your role?

[wary heath]

I'm guessing he was farming obsidian rares

[tropic sundial]

Remember to do your weeklies (siege, trials, feast and so on) as well as do daily rare for gear. Or just go nuts in m+ when it releases

[wary heath]

I'm at 379 and struggling to find meaningful upgrades until tuesday

Pointless probably

[wary heath]

Have you used your spark yet ?

[hexed obsidian]

not yet

having a hard time finding the materials

[wary heath]

Some of us made 392 molten defenders

[tropic sundial]

I'm 379 and no path to progress unless i get lucky on rares ilvl or do obsidian/cobalt but too lazy for that lol

[vernal vale]

Shield is most important piece for prot

[tropic sundial]

Definitely look into using your spark

[wary heath]

What materials are you missing ?

[dawn marsh]

What's the reasoning behind molten defender vs hearth?

[tropic sundial]

also we had a few WQ giving Titan Matrix which is also good

[hexed obsidian]

i already have a 372 shield so can i focus something that is low

[tropic sundial]

Custom stat, proc on hearth not that good, count as an embellish you cannot remove

[wary heath]

Hearth has a built in unique embellishment

[vernal vale]

I'm 381 only because I had a few matrixes to burn

[wary heath]

I got only 1 marrix through 16 m0s

[hexed obsidian]

how do i farm the seared alloys and the purple shit

[vernal vale]

Stat choice can be better. Hearth proc is whatever

[tropic sundial]

You could get like 2 matrix IV from WQ

[hexed obsidian]

there like 4000 g a piece

[dawn marsh]

Aaah ic so it's not that great, I thought it was. Good thing I got taught just now 😂

[wary heath]

I got 1 wq one, might have missed the 2nd

[pure ravine]

Is there a good spot to farm a haste ring that isn't cobalt? I'm stuck on a 355 ring I'd like to replace

[tropic sundial]

matrix on WQ are a bit weird, they vary depending on your ilvl i think

[vernal vale]

My "world quest one" was just gold

[prisma crane]

1 more than i got, had to get mine from the WQ

[wary heath]

@dawn marsh stats are up to you

[dawn marsh]

Yeah my warr wasn't high enough to get the IV matrixes

[vernal vale]

Think it's if you have epics in every slot. Based on my raid team.

[vernal vale]

Rip verse should have joined crit gang

[dawn marsh]

Ig you'd need at least 90 bs points to make a shield like that? 3x30 max

[vernal vale]

I found a baller blacksmith on my realm

[hexed obsidian]

is it always get shield first?

[dawn marsh]

You lucky fella

[tropic sundial]

I'd need an inspiration proc to T5 with spikes, so for now it's T5 without spikes ;p

[sick sentinel]

i read that as fire damage

because molten

[dawn marsh]

Are orders cross realm+faction?

[sick sentinel]

and the ring or neck or whatever

[vernal vale]

I would say yeah because of how important it is for us. Others might disagree

[prisma crane]

no, but it's generally a very valuable slot

[hexed obsidian]

i have 372 shield should i get shield or focus on lower level slots?

[vernal vale]

They are cross faction. I have horde friends on my realm sending me work orders for the fishing pole

[prisma crane]

imo nothing is "always" unless you're pushing mythic raid tomorrow, since you'll just replace it in M+ next wk anyways

[wary heath]

I'd get the 392 shield going into week 1 If you still have a spark

[vernal vale]

I'd still say shield. You can use the recraft to higher ilvl

[wary heath]

You won't replace it

You are future proofing your shield slot to high ilvl. Custom stats and custom effects

[jaunty aurora]

i missed the tital WQ 😦

titan*

[sick sentinel]

im still using a 372 haste shield from m0's

ain't crafted fuck all yet, 75 chaose

[vernal vale]

Recrafting means you can basically ride the same shield all expansion as you get the materials to bring ilvl up with recrafting.

[dawn marsh]

But not cross realm? And what realm are you on?

[undone verge]

I have barely touched crafting

[vernal vale]

I'm on zuljin

[wary heath]

Incarnate shield is like 385. Crit Mastery, no embelish

[hexed obsidian]

still havent chosen life skills so do i work them up to craft it or put out a crafting order?

[dawn marsh]

Oof unlucky me

[wide charm]

Are we going to play BSV in high keys ?

[undone verge]

Maybe

I’d say probably, but idk I haven’t thought about it much don’t know what you’d sac for it tho

[wary heath]

Just find a crafter in trade that makes t5 shield

Otherwise you have to be a shield specialist yourself

[vernal vale]

Generally check the pinned m+ talents and adjust from there

I think BSV is only gonna be useful in giga keys.

[hexed obsidian]

also how do i find seared alloys, the market price is too high

[vernal vale]

Anything up to at least 20 it won't be needed in any standard group. A pug maybe as pugs don't know what a kick is.

[tropic sundial]

Either you're a blacksmith specced into making high quality aloys, or you have to buy them. Can't cut corner on that if you want highest quality craft.

[inland raft]

recrafting lets you change embellishment and increase ilvl right? havnt really looked into crafting a lot'

[tropic sundial]

Can even change missive I think.

[vernal vale]

Yes

[vernal vale]

Also yes

[hexed obsidian]

i havent chosen life skills yet so what skills to make seared and armor for me

[tropic sundial]

Can't really have enough points rn to do both the shield spec and the aloy spec I think

[vernal vale]

Hard to say, depending on what your focus is. My engineering is a disaster but I've got wormhole picking where I go and brez and a good ways into the gear tree

[tropic sundial]

Mainly for blacksmithing doing a high quality armor slot requires a LOT of points

[vernal vale]

I did also spend a fuckload on patterns on the ah so I didn't have to farm the fishing rod lol.

[tropic sundial]

Max shield spec is 90 points in Armorsmithing

[vernal vale]

Fair enough. I haven't looked at any trees that are not my engineering

[hexed obsidian]

do i need to choose black smithing and amor smithing?

[civic junco]

wasn't most theorycrafter's saying to hold on to your spark for now?

[edgy grail]

I drop engi seems omega garbage

[tropic sundial]

shields are in armorsmithing

[radiant magnet]

you want a spare spark for the necklace this week, but you can do that on an alt pretty easy

[vernal vale]

Engineering is always useful if you do transmog runs etc, it's mostly a utility profession.

[hexed obsidian]

k but i want to make seared alloys cuz those are expensive af

[vernal vale]

Not necessarily depends on spec

[prisma crane]

they really made you feel like it's a wasted profession this time around though

[civic junco]

We're in the prot channel though

[hollow dove]

Would you want the vers proc one or the one where you can add armor spikes?

[tropic sundial]

Aloys would be speccing into Specialty Smithing and putting point into Smelting i guess

[vernal vale]

Cannot get sparks from alts. One every two weeks per character

[prisma crane]

bring back being able to use half that shit in relevant content and it'll be great though

[edgy grail]

Fair enough depends what your goal is for sure. I guess that’s the point with professions

[civic junco]

What necklace? I'm currently wearing the 398 from wrathion rep

[prisma crane]

389

[tropic sundial]

The proc one is meh. Molten defender better choice with customizable stats and you can opti in or out of the spikes

[vernal vale]

Armor spikes in my opinion.

[hollow dove]

Sweet 😄

[tropic sundial]

I think we'll get 5 sparks in total over the next few weeks (including the one we already got)

so you can plan around that

[radiant magnet]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=193001/elemental-lariat

[tropic sundial]

For now i'll be going Shield -> Elemental Lariat -> Engi bracers

[vernal vale]

Nah, it's useful with brez and wormhole. Glider kit is still nice and always will be.

[hollow dove]

1 every 2 weeks till we had 5 after that you can get a bottled essence (from end lvl content) or something that can be exchanged for a spark

[vernal vale]

This is my plan

[radiant magnet]

you can via private orders

[tropic sundial]

yeah, no clue how often we can expect a bottled essence though

[hollow dove]

Speculation was about 1 per 1-2 weeks with casual play or something like that

[vernal vale]

I'd that was the case I would have 2 pieces of spark gear.

[civic junco]

It's already confirmed we get 1 spark every 2 weeks. Once we get 5 sparks it'll be every week iirc

[tropic sundial]

i knew about the 5, the question was more about after those. Every week seems often, then again they may have wanted to bottleneck it more early on

[civic junco]

I'm curious if they'll make a catch up mechanic for professions or sparks later on though

[hollow dove]

Thats not true, even with personal orders you always need to provide the spark and primal chaos

[hollow dove]

think the longer the tier lasts the easier it gets to farm prof points iirc

[radiant magnet]

they changed it then. not in a place to test. not trying to argue either. just know it worked previously

[hollow dove]

Oh yea that could well be, can imagine it was possible on BETA as well for example

just to make testing easier

[vernal vale]

Anything soulbound must be provided by you when crafting

[radiant magnet]

it was borderline abuse, so not shocked if they added a limit

[tropic sundial]

Imagine making an army of alt just to fully deck one character in spark gear lol

[radiant magnet]

that was legitimately the plan exiting beta

[vernal vale]

I mean I would have done it lol

[radiant magnet]

doesnt really matter though, all that gear will get replaced in M+ imo

[vernal vale]

I had the launch week off work.

[vernal vale]

We get drops from higher content to further upgrade and keep the crafts relivent

So m+ won't necessarily replace it.

[tropic sundial]

I like having evergreen crafted gear

[vernal vale]

Same actually makes it worth spending some gold on.

Otherwise I wouldn't bother.

[tropic sundial]

Less slots to worry about down the road

[vernal vale]

Plus with missives we can pick our itemization.

[sick sentinel]

ugh i already have 8 points into blacksmith, but maybe i just drop it and take mining on warrior as well.

[vernal vale]

That's actually a great part about it. The trees needing knowledge that's limited is frustrating though.

[tropic sundial]

Like with Elemental Lariat I can litteraly not worry about a slot that is contested by everyone for loot

[lusty grotto]

i imagine that's being planned

and if not it would be a huge oversight

[vernal vale]

On top of that actually understanding when you'll get tier 5 ranked crafts

[sick sentinel]

after lvl 45 cooking it stopped offering me new recipes to learn

[vernal vale]

Have to fish them up

[lusty grotto]

intended, yogi

[tropic sundial]

You discover recipes by cooking

[sick sentinel]

which, i like having the ability to cook tons of the "best" foods of expansion for dungeons

[tropic sundial]

Go to any unlearned recipe and you can see where it's learnt from

[lusty grotto]

well, get to fishing and doing community feast

[vernal vale]

I'll make my necklace after raid/m+ this week fully expecting a nerf.

[open gazelle]

Who else didn’t get a titan matrix to drop this week..

[sick sentinel]

im not entirely sure about how the soup works, and i think its like this, a yellow non elite fish spawns that you attack to "tenderize" and then, keep away an elite angry boy every so often

[vernal vale]

I didn't bother to run my m0

[sick sentinel]

and those are the only 2 ways i know for sure to interact with the soup while its getting ready

[vernal vale]

I also didn't see a reason with 381 ilvl

[radiant magnet]

you mean to get the weekly item?

[open gazelle]

Wonder what the drop rate is on those and if they scale in m+?

[sick sentinel]

well i've done the feast at least once or twice but thats about it

[lusty grotto]

stand next to pot and wait for orders

complete that order, then stand next to soup and repeat

[sick sentinel]

i've gone and succesfully collected the finished soup about 5 times

[radiant magnet]

big issue is ppl dont wait for an order. they just start clicking things which gets you no credit

[lusty grotto]

well if you havent gotten gral's feasts, thats some bad luck

[vernal vale]

It's frustrating sometimes waiting for an order though.

[lusty grotto]

those are max ilvl 382

they are great fill up pieces, until tomorrow at least

[radiant magnet]

sure, but every time I do the feast theres a group saying " I didnt get credit"

[sick sentinel]

so like, you guys were talking about 1-5 stars

and you cant garunteed it on public work orders

blzizard plz fix

[vernal vale]

True

[tropic sundial]

just use trade chat to find a crafter who can do what you want

[vernal vale]

Have to hit up private orders with friends/guild/ask trade chat

[sick sentinel]

how much of down grade we talking about if i go get, say, a weapon made and its made at the standard work order ilvl and then i get a 1 star or a 5 star

how much am i really getting fucked, to be blunt, if i get a a 1

instead of 5

[lusty grotto]

if its a spark, its probably not a downgrade at base ilvl

[tropic sundial]

there is a 10ilvl difference between T1 and T5

[lusty grotto]

over anything dropped in the world

right at the moment

[sick sentinel]

oh, so its actually the ilvl

[lusty grotto]

that will change on tuesday though

[fathom spindle]

My friend is going bananas, saying that Warriors are facing a revamp atm.
Is that true?

[sick sentinel]

hmm

[open gazelle]

Wut lol

[vernal vale]

Uhh no

[lusty grotto]

if your friend says you should jump off a cliff, would you believe them?

[radiant magnet]

get better friends

[fathom spindle]

Makes little sense, but ty.

[sick sentinel]

i don't understand the 1-5 star system yet, not that it's too complicated, but its way too new for me to have a firm grasp on that shit

[tropic sundial]

minor nerf = revamp. People i swear

[dawn marsh]

I could imagine that they are thinking about certain additional nerfs but not a revamp

[fathom spindle]

Well all tanks faced a nerf 🤷‍♂️

[sick sentinel]

cuz its on mining gear for example my pick axe is 4

[open gazelle]

So how is it warrior specific? @fathom spindle

[lusty grotto]

t5 is more ilvl, therefore more stats

[tropic sundial]

reading blue posts is hard i guess

[sick sentinel]

i know 1= bad 5= good, very plainly put, thats it

[lusty grotto]

yogi

1 isnt bad if its still an ilvl upgrade

and for most gear right not, it is

[jovial birch]

Higher crafted level gets you more stats the higher your crafting lvl is the higher ilvl of the thing you can make. There is a few more nuances to it but it really isn’t that complicated.

[tropic sundial]

and you can still recraft a T1 to higher tier later

[radiant magnet]

it's just item lvl and stats. so a 5 star will be slightly better than your 4 star pickaxe. +1-2 perception, deftness, finesse

[vernal vale]

As our nerf was mostly to defensive stance its irrelivent since we stay in battlestance

[sick sentinel]

i really think the 1 hand weapon is best choice for me unless there is some super duper op weapon from raid/ dungeons

it just makes sense imho

[lusty grotto]

just read pins @fathom spindle

[wary heath]

Lots of people in trade have tier 5 weapons

If you don't want to spark a shield

[vernal vale]

Shield shield shield

[fathom spindle]

Well that’s good to know ☺️

[sick sentinel]

well im limited to 2 embellishments right

so i cant just embel, embel

[vernal vale]

Everyone is only able to use 2 embellishments

[lusty grotto]

there are some embelishments you can simply remove and still use the piece

[sick sentinel]

i think weapon is the best choice

sword or hammer

[lusty grotto]

there are some embelishments you cant, like neck or hearth shield

[tropic sundial]

basically : if the embellishment is included in the recipe, you can't change it. If it's from an optional item added during the craft, well it's optional

[lusty grotto]

yes arcana stated it well

[wild heath]

Just got my primal infusion from Maruuk renown now. Whats a good item to craft thats gonna help with tanking m+ next week? I was thinking shield, but is that troll?

[lusty grotto]

why would it be a troll

[vernal vale]

If ypu insist on weapon you can puck the stats so whatever you think k is cooler for tmog

[strong forum]

Shield is the best item defensively

[lusty grotto]

where else can you get Block value?

[strong forum]

By a long shot

[wild heath]

Yeah thats what some friends said. Was gonna go with neck but shield makes sense. What embellishment do we want? Cant seem to find any info on it

[sick sentinel]

i could get weapon now, shield later

whenever it resets, i think tomorrow

[vernal vale]

I made this shield to be well set for m+/raid and not need to worry about drop luck.

[sick sentinel]

i have to farm out a fuck load of chaoses, like about 45, im at 75, 80+40 by my count

[wild heath]

Is that the best embellishment? I honestly have no clue about those didnt know they was a thing till today lol

[lusty grotto]

it doesnt matter soti

pick whatever

then remove if you need to

on a recraft

[wild heath]

Ohhh yeah recraft is a thing

[sick sentinel]

i need to figure out how to get some of the purple alloys

[vernal vale]

Chaos comes from everything dude.

[sick sentinel]

thats the main thing im fucked over on atm

[wild heath]

Thank you for your help :)

[vernal vale]

I'm partial to armor spikes

[last mason]

385 wep from a quest dam

[sick sentinel]

i already finished all my 0's middle of friday, thats main source, didn't do my sabellion shit, i can do that

[lusty grotto]

heroics still drop 1

so do most rares and super rares

[vernal vale]

It might change once we get some actual logs to see what's preforming better.

[lusty grotto]

so does digging and/or exp supplies

so does pvp boxes

everything drops Primal Chaos

[dawn marsh]

Dam, have to do that as well, what m+ is ilvl 392 or can you just up the ilvl later anyway?

[lusty grotto]

you can

but youll need the bigger infusion

[dawn marsh]

Ooh yeah the 15+ ones

[vernal vale]

In m+ you'll get items that can be used to further increase the ilvl.

[lusty grotto]

it goes up to max 418 remember

maruuk all renown reps at 25 gives you a reg infusion

like Soti said

[dawn marsh]

Yeah, completely forgot the 15+ mats dumdum me

[sick sentinel]

well, i've went into this expansion extremely blind

i didn't even look up the dragonflying glyphs and do that until last night

[drifting pecan]

Is the wowhead raid talent build nice? Can’t figure out if is good or not

[lusty grotto]

its ok

we have some pinned here as well

[wild heath]

Where do I get that embillshment?

[lusty grotto]

buy it

from the AH

[vernal vale]

Buy it. Blacksmiths make it

[lusty grotto]

otherwise level artisan consortium rep

if you're BS

[vernal vale]

Check the pins for a good start

[lusty grotto]

it requires respected rep

[dawn marsh]

Need 21 points for 90 to max bs shield tree, I really should've started earlier with profs, biggest regret this xpac ao far

[tropic sundial]

Yeah, you miss a week you miss 7 points (2x3 from weeklies and 1 from treatise)

not even talking about the DMF crafting quests giving skill points as well as knowledge if you missed them

[naive aurora]

Man seeing that shield.... I've always been doing alch on my warrior, should I switch? I literally decided this weekend to start playing again, super blind this xpac.

[tropic sundial]

dont need to be smith to get the shield, just work order it

[dawn marsh]

Just feels like it's not worth rushing anyway since I'm late cause of orders

[dawn marsh]

Need to find a trusted one indeed

[tropic sundial]

tbf blacksmithing is not reliant on work orders to level it. Once you get the Master's Hammer recipe from maxing any spec, you can spam it to 100.

[lusty grotto]

use crafting orders, stay alch

[tropic sundial]

and for the work orders weekly, just get an alt to order shovels from your main or something

[naive aurora]

ok thanks 🙂

[naive aurora]

Thanks!

[naive aurora]

good advice

[crystal canopy]

What addons do you guys use for player/party frames

[lusty grotto]

elvui

[dawn marsh]

Sunken cost fallacy is hitting me hard rn with bs

[brave temple]

16+ mats

Pretty sure

[naive aurora]

Did you guys level as prot?

[sonic wadi]

you can recraft your own gear (and use writhefire oil) for levels

[tropic sundial]

yup, just pull everything lol

[naive aurora]

sounds amazing

[dawn marsh]

Fun times

[naive aurora]

just jumped in as arms and not made the switch yet, just been overwhelmed, normally I'm well prepared but this xpac crept up on me

[crystal canopy]

Trying to type /Elvui or /stuf or /suf for my addons but none are working.. anyone have this issue

[lusty grotto]

nope

why would you use suf with elvui though

[clear spindle]

Leveling as prot has been the most fun I've ever had leveling.

[naive aurora]

😄

that is promising

[lusty grotto]

you have a lot of redundant unit frames there buddy

[mystic radish]

Heya 🙂 which embellishment would you recommend to get on the sword?

[crystal canopy]

I’m trying to test them all but none are working for the options

[lusty grotto]

you cant test them all at once

[tropic sundial]

Are the addon correctly enabled? Have you tried to /reload ?

[crystal canopy]

I disabled them all except suf and /suf doesn’t work

I’ll try /reload

I type /suf it says “type “help” for a listing of a few commands.

[tropic sundial]

I dont use SUF but doesnt it have main menu integration (elvui does) or a minimap button to access options?

[crystal canopy]

Sorry I meant stuf

No minimap button ..

[crystal canopy]

Can I have stuf and threatplates both enabled I wonder

[sick sentinel]

this trinket is even worse than i thought at first literal locks you out of being able to trigger it again for 2 whole minutes

[loud patrol]

i tried it and sold it lmao

[mystic radish]

Do you have any resources for this? X:

[cinder storm]

so a cd?

[sick sentinel]

its a purple and 372 and gives stamina, so, for now, i will equip it

[open gazelle]

Stamina? We want stamina???

[sick sentinel]

more health = live more longerer

[lusty grotto]

its yogi, its the best he has atm

[open gazelle]

Your health bar moves?

[tropic sundial]

not many people here went with weapon i think

[mystic radish]

oh ok x: ty

[lusty grotto]

grip wrapping or fang adornments probably, it depends how they sim

but yes most of us went shield

[mystic radish]

Which shield if i may ask 🙂

[lusty grotto]

the only one you can put embelishments on

because hearth has a perma one

honestly it doesnt matter, it's an ilvl upgrade for most of anything

[sick sentinel]

yeah, i don' always hit my shield block

this is well documented by now

[tropic sundial]

molten defender

[cinder storm]

Are you planning on doing 20s this time yogi?

[mystic radish]

ah ok 🙂 I thought about getting the usual blue defender with matrix

[tropic sundial]

well, if you already got a weapon with your spark, it's an option yeah; 382 shield is still good.

still 4 sparks to come in the coming weeks though

so you can plan those

[mystic radish]

But would you take shield instead of neck with the next spark?

[tropic sundial]

I'd say it depends on what you have in each slot right now and how much of an upgrade it would be, and what gear you can get in 2 weeks until next spark

[merry umbra]

i wouldnt tbh, once you get the neck you can put 3 sockets on and wait till you get stuff to upgrade it

[limpid kite]

I went for wep cuz im swordsmith, and i will go for neck next

[tropic sundial]

but yeah neck stonk

[sterile grotto]

Is there a list of rares to farm

[mystic radish]

So armor spikes not really worth? Then I prob get the neck next

[merry umbra]

a bit late to the party but yes

[sick sentinel]

probably as its the new cap

[mellow quartz]

https://wago.io/TamasDragonflightHelper

[sick sentinel]

see how it all goes

[polar raptor]

Drop rate isn't great, probably not worth the time after m+ opens. IMO.

[tropic sundial]

Looking at shield drops, one drops from the first boss in the raid, so it may let you forego the crafted one if you can get it

it's crit versa, not horrible

[merry umbra]

get all the palas in the guild to go prot loot spec and u pog

[tropic sundial]

Does loot spec even matter now with group loot? I dont think so xD

[merry umbra]

well it does cuz if they are not on the correct spec it aint in the loot table

= bigger chance for someone to have it in loot

[tropic sundial]

During prepatch you had plenty of stories about hunter less raids dropping Sylvanas bow with group loot lol

[mellow quartz]

its still personal loot in dungeons etc

[merry umbra]

key word prepatch

[limpid kite]

I have to play dps for raid Sadge. No early tanktrinket for me

[tropic sundial]

Pre patch already had the new loot system though.

[merry umbra]

yeah, alongside a shit ton of bugs with it 😄

[tropic sundial]

I wouldnt assume anything changed unless I see a blue line about it lol

[mystic radish]

Is haste vers still our best? like haste > vers > crit = mastery?

[fierce field]

it's in the pins, but haste > crit=vers > mast

[merry umbra]

ilvl>haste>leech>crit=versa>mastery

[mystic radish]

ty! didnt think about the pins

[limpid kite]

Which trinket will be the go to from m+? Is the nokhud offense shield trinket good?

[fierce field]

the shield trinket is kinda meh

[tropic sundial]

I'm wondering how good is the Eranog trinket, it could be pretty great

https://www.wowhead.com/item=194299/decoration-of-flame?bonus=7979

[merry umbra]

defensive wise from m+, it's good but only compared to the rest (which are shit)

the go-to trinkets if you can get your hands on them will be the all-totem + grieftorch/boon

all from raid

[merry umbra]

this is kinda niche cuz a 2 min cd is pretty long if you aim high keys in m+

however its probably better from the rest that are in m+ so it's still good if you get it

[severe hatch]

There is nothing wrong with 2 min CD trinkets in M+; this is the most common CD window you plan big pulls around already

[sick sentinel]

im using the blaze trinket, seems okay

[cinder storm]

whats the procc rate for the other trinket that gives the same amount of shield?

[tropic sundial]

Boon looks risky and Grieftorch is a channel uh, i wouldn't have thought about those

[cinder storm]

it gives a big shield on a low chance

[merry umbra]

everyone has their opinion, If i get to choose between that and the other 3 i mentioned i'd go for the other

[severe hatch]

It's not really an opinion

[merry umbra]

you don't need a 2 min cd defensive trinket with wall being up on every pull

[cinder storm]

Granyth's Enduring Scale this trinket

[merry umbra]

but everyone has their playstyle 😄

[mystic radish]

I went with Frozen Devotion on my Weapon but its only about 4-5% of the dmg in huge pulls. Might sophic be better?

[prisma crane]

Frozen has simmed better on ST ironically than it does on aoe, when compared to Sophic

[mystic radish]

o:

[merry umbra]

frozen is capped at 5 targets, sophic will probably sim better in dugeons with huge pulls (like academy)

[lofty widget]

you dont need any defensive trinkets period

[lusty grotto]

frozen is better for raid, sophic better for keys

in summary

[sick sentinel]

every so often, i see that i can get a reward purple chest and then i fly there and it dissapears off my map

even though says 10 minutes remaining

[merry umbra]

pretty much, that's why i recommend all-totem + boon/grieftorch

[sick sentinel]

like for a hunt event

[merry umbra]

or the versa proccing trinket from raid but it's a "very rare drop" as stated in the journal 😄

[cinder storm]

I honestly dont know why everyone is going so crazy about crafting and at this point I'm too afraid to ask, most people will be farming 15s this week no? so whats the point of getting an item crafted

[strong forum]

All-totem is pretty defensive

That's the fun part

It's offensive and defensive

[merry umbra]

its works like a nerfed codex or so

i believe

[tropic sundial]

you can upgrade crafted items to 410+ with items you get from M+/raids

[strong forum]

All-totem is much much better than codex

[severe hatch]

Crafts can be upgraded all the way to 418 and so are always relevant this patch

[strong forum]

It has a built in windfury

[merry umbra]

it can go up to 418

[strong forum]

It has an absorb

[safe shale]

Hey guys, I'm going through the Spell Block list and setting alerts in DBM, but it seems like the spell names are different, anyone have like what they do so I can match the descriptions? Or I guess maybe WoWhead would have that?

[cinder storm]

Thanks everyone, I'll take a look into it after a few more weeks

[cinder storm]

check the pins?

[merry umbra]

is it possible that it will randomly pull packs 40 yards away like codex 😄 /

[cinder storm]

Sense's spreadsheet is very descriptive if that's what you want

[safe shale]

I'm looking at it but I'm saying the names of some of the trash spells are not listed

or they have different names

like in DBM they're not there

[strong forum]

no

its not a reflect effect

[cobalt seal]

But but

Codex is good for bdk

If you spam /sit

[cinder storm]

https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=AC886C2EFEAF883B!53535&ithint=file%2Cxlsx&authkey=!AAhrIjsDtOQKls0 @safe shale maybe this one will help

[fluid forum]

I've heard people saying Shield block can be maintained 100% uptime now but I don't seem to be getting that, does it need a haste breakpoint or am I playing/talenting wrong?

[cinder storm]

Yeah, we all need that sweet haste

[tropic sundial]

Talent issue probably

[jagged pier]

u dont need haste for it

u need the correct talents and u need to play correctly along with that

[lusty grotto]

when we say 100% uptime we mean 100% uptime while getting hit, you can't look at uptime on details after a run, that's not what we mean

[jagged pier]

nim u can get 100% uptime now

[lusty grotto]

it should be close to still

[jagged pier]

like legit

[safe shale]

Thanks! It does give the spell ID's for the trash spells but is there a way to plug that into DBM?

[lusty grotto]

yeah but honestly its a weird metric to look at depending on his downtime

lets say hes not chain pulling

[fluid forum]

I see, yeah I'm very close so effective tanking it would always be up I was mainly checking vs a training dummy and seemed to be dropping it a little after a while

[lusty grotto]

oh

thats entirely different lol

seems like bad play

are you using shield charge?

[fluid forum]

Yep

[cinder storm]

Idk, not in the game right now, someone else here probably knows

[lusty grotto]

are you using ITF or HR?

[fluid forum]

ITF

[lusty grotto]

oh

youre testing against a dummy

[tropic sundial]

that's the issue

[lusty grotto]

do you have the 5 stacks of ITF?

[safe shale]

Well I appreciate the help getting one step further lol

[cerulean spear]

Sorry if this has already been answered but is the spell reflect weak aura working yet?

[fluid forum]

ahhh yeah just read HR

[lusty grotto]

ITF is good if you can maintain the 5 stacks

[tropic sundial]

HR+Enduring Defenses otherwise

[lusty grotto]

but on a dummy, that's hard to do unless you have 4 people around you including the dummy (if it counts)

[fluid forum]

Yeah I get you, cheers for the clearup

[jagged pier]

u cant get 100% uptime with ITF and ED and bulwark without 30% before ITF and even then

its hard

if your running ITF drop nails for bolster

[fluid forum]

Is there a cap on shield block max duration or can you blast out 2x block + shield charge?

[lusty grotto]

yes its double the base amount

[modern brook]

3x

[lusty grotto]

o

[jagged pier]

3x times the duration

[lusty grotto]

3 times there you go

[fluid forum]

thank ya

[jagged pier]

and u should not spunk your charges of SB straight away

well both

charge

u should use one

[cerulean spear]

ok guys i know im jumping mid conversation what talent points do u think u cn drop if u need beserker shout /intervene or in the prot tree are any "optional: talents

[jagged pier]

u dont need intervene

[cinder storm]

I've seen many people learning warrior, pressing IP and literally neglecting SB, I tried to explain one streamer what he was doing wrong, and he told me he was being coached by the second best warrior in SL S2. Guy kept dying non stop on m0s

[jagged pier]

and i drop overwhelming rage for zerker

[lusty grotto]

i saw a warrior tanking an 18 for Max during beta that never pressed SB, kept getting massively chunked

[tropic sundial]

Dropping Sidearm is also an option

[lyric geode]

Name and shame.

[lusty grotto]

i was wondering if he was trolling but apparently they just dont know

no, dont drop names

[jagged pier]

ppl dont like their ego getting hurt

[lusty grotto]

its enough to make fun here, its not cool to harass these people

[jagged pier]

just send them here

[prisma crane]

no point, better to just help them or let them be

[cinder storm]

I would've, but when he said he was getting coached by x and x and didnt want help from a rando

[lyric geode]

[cerulean spear]

other than the rage dumping whats bad about stacking SB?

[prisma crane]

shaming people is the #1 way to get them to not listen to you

[lyric geode]

[tropic sundial]

Imagine dying in mOs lol

[lusty grotto]

yes Krotos is 100% correct

[strong forum]

wait you can die in m0s?

[lusty grotto]

and again harassing is fucking terrible

so dont

[astral breach]

dps can but we cant 🙂

[jagged pier]

mans lying the second best warrior overall in SL S2 was plka and he would not tell someone not to press SB

[cerulean spear]

guys which written guide is "skyhold" approved?

wowhead or iceyveins or neither

[lusty grotto]

both

[lyric geode]

Happened once on me on nokhud. Wasnt pleasant. To be fair, I died because nohody kicked fear. So eh...

[jagged pier]

both are fine

[cinder storm]

Yeah, I was like "that person aint pika nor Tatt or any other I've heard about so, you are sus"

[loud patrol]

brooooo that traiding post

[lyric geode]

Probably was the second best warrior tank on his realm. Too bad back then his only competition was himself and an idiot kid.

[cinder storm]

Yeah, that's what I thought. inb4 people come here tomorrow asking "why am I dying"

[prisma crane]

adults can be idiots too

[lusty grotto]

won't be long, trust

[cinder storm]

press your fng sb*

[lusty grotto]

asap on tuesday

[jagged pier]

The problem isnt like new tho

[lusty grotto]

yup

we've been through this lol

[jagged pier]

New prot alwyas think IP is the way to go because of how it worded

[prisma crane]

hot take, i hit SB more for the buff to SS dmg

[lyric geode]

Just uncap IP and let the world burn.

[mighty valley]

if you prod anyone to take five seconds to think about how much damage SB prevents compared to IP, it should fall into place immediately. and if they refuse, they're probably a lost cause

[fossil sparrow]

tfw getting declined for m0s, what has tanking come to