u need to take bolster
#protection
jagged pier
so u loose nails
its a damage increase to take ITF
but u do loose SB/ its harder to keep up with bolster
and u loose nails of course
like in 5 tank nome is gunna run ITF but in normal keys HR just because its better if u are the only tank
and the difference isnt that much
and the higher u go the more important your uptime is
warm plinth
but what are YOU gonna take Jakey? We need YOUR opinion
vernal vale
well im using ITF for now because it doesnt matter
That's a big factor right now too. Nothing is remotely threatening
warm plinth
So much so that Blizzard has determined we are too strong, based on nothing but Mythic 0s 🙂
warm plinth
well, by we I meant tanks in general
vernal vale
Fair enough. I don't play the other tanks so...
blazing condor
im waiting for a good argument as to why tanks needs to be worse
blazing condor
warm plinth
do I open energy drink #3
blazing condor
what time for you
warm plinth
It's 2:30am atm. But I work nights
sick sentinel
im waiting for a good argument as to why tanks needs to be worse
as it stands rn dps are gonna start get one shot by unavoidable damages before tanks need to pop shield wall more than once a week
warm plinth
02:30 for my EU friends
blazing condor
as it stands rn dps are gonna start get one shot by unavoidable damages before t...
so its better that everybody dies?
blazing condor
02:30 for my EU friends
kek. Go pop that shid
sick sentinel
no its better that everybody are brought in a relative baseline, its a team game
warm plinth
but if tanks are dying at the same time as dps, that would just make them a dps
would it not?
blazing condor
i dont see what there is to gain by doing that really. But its all opinions anyway im not gonna argue it
warm plinth
we must keep the inferior dps in their place
and rise as the invincible champions
but yeah idc really. long as tanks are still fun to play, that's all that matters
sick sentinel
but when a pwar spec all damage talents, use both damage trinekts, stays in battle stances 100% of the time, and still doesnt go below 90% hp at all, while dps and healers are dying twice in a pull
then you have a problem
pallid quiver
maybe those dps should use defensives
warm plinth
so my concern with that mentality is that we are barely two weeks into the expansion right now. People are still learning mechanics, we only have M0s to base survival on, and tanks are frankly probably overpulling because they aren't taking damage (because it's M0s)
sick sentinel
you realize you cant solo push keys like you solo m0s
warm plinth
I would at leaset wait until we're doing real content before we make any assumptions on when people die
least
sick sentinel
dps need to survive no matter what, and if tanks are way too tanky, its gonna create a weird scenario where tanks barely have to pop any cds but dps and healers are hard bottle necked
because they introduced a lot of unavoidable damage this patch
warm plinth
So let me ask, why is this a tank balance issue and not a dungeon tuning issue
If you're supposedly seeing this problem already in M0, which should be trivial
Then it's going to compound when scaling is introduced
sick sentinel
exactly
mighty valley
they do have internal testing and a beta, don't think it's fair to say it was purely based on m-
m0
sick sentinel
and it makes alot more sense to make tanks less tanky, than to redesign the entire dungeon sets
pallid quiver
i think we should have M-, actually, it'd be funny
warm plinth
Except if you already have DPS and healers dying in M0, that becomes a larger problem when dungeons start to scale.
And nerfing tanks doesn't help
pallid quiver
and it makes alot more sense to make tanks less tanky, than to redesign the enti...
that actually makes zero sense; you'd still be gated by DPS and heals dying if you said that's the issue
sick sentinel
which will be naturally solved as people get more geared
ionic fern
All the DPS/Healers dying on me have been 90% of them standing in crap/not interrupting.
sick sentinel
but as it stands
urban portal
i think we _should_ have M-, actually, it'd be funny
My group always called leveling dungs m-
pallid quiver
The only thing that would happen with your argument is we clear even lower keys
sick sentinel
ok let me try to make an example
mighty valley
dps and healers are only dying when a) pug tanks feel immortal and pull more than the group can interrupt/control, or b) everyone is bad
ionic fern
And 10% me pulling too many enemies which shoot at random people.
pallid quiver
All the DPS/Healers dying on me have been 90% of them standing in crap/not inter...
Same on both accounts
throw rock too strong
warm plinth
You have to utilize those sick BRH tactics and tank near a corner so deeps can los the shoot!
ionic fern
"I DIED CAUSE I STOOD IN AVOIDABLE MECHANICS!! NERF TANKS!!"
"I lose to a tank in DPS cause i suck at my spec!!! NERF TANKS!!!"
pallid quiver
Most of my DPS never pressed a single defensive button through the entire dungeon when I went back and checked
One never even pressed a DPS CD
warm plinth
What do I do if I'm a rogue and I don't have a real DPS CD 
pallid quiver
don't they still have shadoweblades or some shit
warm plinth
I'm outlaw
ionic fern
How tense do you have to be
warm plinth
we don't have a DPS CD; we just do damage all the time 😂
pallid quiver
oh you don't exist, sorry
warm plinth
Ooof
pallid quiver
i refuse to acknowledge outlaw
combat my beloved
warm plinth
How tense do you have to be
Obviously full wipes are preferable to a DPS dying
mighty valley
this might be controversial in a tank discord but i do think in most cases if the group has all died and there are still relevant numbers of enemies alive, the tank should die eventually
jagged pier
how are dps supposed to get big overall if they die to big pulls??
ionic fern
this might be controversial in a tank discord but i do think in most cases if th...
Sure, in m+.
They are talking about m0
DPS players are just HORRIBLE.
warm plinth
this might be controversial in a tank discord but i do think in most cases if th...
I don't disagree but I think the scaling of dungeons will take care of that
warm plinth
Like if we end up soloing a +15 boss from 50% like we were doing in Legion, that's an issue
mighty valley
yeah, i think dumb forum posters are basing their opinions on m0, which i'm very happy to ignore
pallid quiver
this might be controversial in a tank discord but i do think in most cases if th...
I honestly agree for relevant content, tbh, but that's really hard to tune overall at all scaling levels. If we make it that way in M0, it's very difficult to scale that threshold up with infinitely scaling, exponential keys
mighty valley
but i don't think the decision to nerf tanks was based on m0 performance
and overall i think it's a good decision and leaves us all in a better place for future tuning
pallid quiver
Based on what I heard from beta, I'd probably agree on that, yeah
warm plinth
In the end, we took a 5% hit realistically and I'm not gonna worry about it too much unless they go back for round 2
icy shale
So guys
ionic fern
I'm not worried about the nerf.
I'm worried/pissed off about what they are basing the nerf on.
jagged pier
ego dps players crying because thats the highest group of ppl shouting they listen
like MoP cry all the time cause tank was top damage
pallid quiver
I've played enough fighting games to roll with the balance changes.
I'm more bothered with how players are reacting to the nerf
ionic fern
ego dps players crying because thats the highest group of ppl shouting they list...
Jep.
"Uh oh!!! Better punish the person playing their class properly so others don't feel bad for being bad at the game!"
icy shale
A friend of mine ( top30 tank ) crafted his first embellishment as shield , so is it 100% known that its gonna be bis ?
ionic fern
A friend of mine ( top30 tank ) crafted his first embellishment as shield , so i...
No.
icy shale
Very weird that he did that
jagged pier
your friend isnt very smart for top 30
pallid quiver
like MoP cry all the time cause tank was top damage
I think that one was understandable because healers were also shouting. Can confirm I looked Garrosh in the face more than once and went "I bet you I can stand in your annihilate slam and live bro"
nocturne arrow
what are people using their sparks of ingenuity on? help pls
icy shale
He is also #1 mdi player
ionic fern
Very weird that he did that
Honestly, it doesn't matter. Just re-craft later. Who cares.
jagged pier
He is also #1 mdi player
sure
ionic fern
He is also #1 mdi player
MDI players also ran full Leech and played Prot warrior wrong in MDI.
What's your point?
warm plinth
what are people using their sparks of ingenuity on? help pls
2nd pin
jagged pier
MDI players also ran full Leech and played Prot warrior wrong in MDI.
THIS
icy shale
Problem is we dont know hoe much spark we will have
warm plinth
30% shield block uptime seems fine
jagged pier
hey a tank streamer ppl seem to rate really highly couldnt keep banner up for more than like a min in S3 and S4 of SLs
ionic fern
But all in all, use your initial embelishment on w/e.
I also have it on my shield for now...better than nothing. I will re-craft later regardless.
jagged pier
but apprently he was better than me and nome on prot and knew more about the class
🤷
mighty valley
high io prot warriors were running codex deep into s4
icy shale
But all in all, use your initial embelishment on w/e.
I also have it on my shiel...
Do you know if you will have enough spoarks for that b
?
ionic fern
Do you know if you will have enough spoarks for that b
You will get a spark every..2 weeks? + from some quests iirc.
warm plinth
I thought you didn't need a spark to recraft anyway?
neon elk
We will have at least 5 in next 8 weeks or so
ruby berry
first 5 I beleive
pallid quiver
I thought you didn't need a spark to recraft anyway?
nope
mighty valley
we get infinite sparks eventually, if you wait too long for perfect information you'll be missing out on power when it matters most
icy shale
Good then
ionic fern
I thought you didn't need a spark to recraft anyway?
Correct.
icy shale
One more question boys
neon elk
I thought you didn't need a spark to recraft anyway?
U dont need spark for recrafting but u can recraft only exactly same item
jagged pier
I thought you didn't need a spark to recraft anyway?
dont think u can remove embelishments tho
ionic fern
I just got my 386 shield re-crafter to 392 yesterday, no spark needed.
pallid quiver
I used mine on the Infurious Helm and my second's either shield or Lariat
depends on the cost of lariat tbh
warm plinth
I thought you could as long as it wasn't like a shield of the hearth type effect
like the built-in embellishments
ionic fern
dont think u can remove embelishments tho
You can. It's marked as "Optional reagent".
jagged pier
:noted:
icy shale
Lets say I craft mine as 392 now and spend 1 spark, when I get primal infusion I can upg it to 405 , is upgrading requires 2 nd spark ?
sick sentinel
no
sick sentinel
just level blacksmith yourself tbh
engineering overrated af this patch
just go bs+alch
fierce nexus
does anyone know what the effective dmg reduction nerf of defensive stance is AFTER considering all usual mitigation is up?
eg, what is the flat phsyical dmg reduction from talents and active mitigation?
jagged pier
11.8% in d stance
sick sentinel
does anyone know what the effective dmg reduction nerf of defensive stance is AF...
im gonna go on a limp to say its roughly 10%
jagged pier
from being in d stance before
5% in bstance being in b stance before
u still take less damage in d stance
warm plinth
anyone know a good guide to get started on crafting that assumes you're dumb as a box of rocks (e.g. me)
ruby berry
I can certainly link you a guide to level a specific profession.
fierce nexus
this is the increase since the nerfs?
warm plinth
That's a start!
jagged pier
this is the increase since the nerfs?
yes
fierce nexus
god amongst men, ty
pallid quiver
this is the increase since the nerfs?
That's the amount of damage we take in comparison to the prior state
warm plinth
guys I wanna go home
ionic fern
^
warm plinth
I can't, people are slow
jagged pier
warm plinth
still 2400 picks in the warehouse 😡
slow ass mofos
i will have my laptop on tuesday though
We level at work
vagrant sable
any advice on the best item to spend my spark on?
warm plinth
don't tell my boss
ionic fern
On other news. I got a guildie replace my 369 ring with a 382 one. 
warm plinth
siiiick
ionic fern
any advice on the best item to spend my spark on?
Pins.
warm plinth
haste/crit? 👀
ionic fern
Always.
warm plinth
warm plinth
just proc more crits, ez
ionic fern
Jakey and Nom already bragged about their 30k sims.
With their farms and OP items.
Smh.
warm plinth
is that ST sim or?
ionic fern
Yes.
ionic fern
Big.
warm plinth
That's even worse than I thought it would be
ionic fern
Well, you are 314...
sick sentinel
why do you sim pwar?
warm plinth
For damage
pew pew
Proper play covers the survival portion so you build for big dam
fierce nexus
so because im bad at math - what was the "dmg reduction %" difference between d stance and b stance before and after nerf? (ie dstance 20% is not acutally 20% as its multiplicative)
strong forum
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hXNCn9M8NyjzbAicR5X48z LMFAO
You almost sim more than a 370 vdh
ionic fern
pwar simc rotation is pretty hilarious
?
strong forum
Their Sims are broken af
warm plinth
Just no updated APL?
strong forum
4 people have spent like 12hrs yesterday trying to work it out
sick sentinel
it only casts IP when theres absolutely no other way to dump rage, which is not what you do in any meaningful content
warm plinth
oh so probably a bunch of shit missing from their module huh
ionic fern
it only casts IP when theres absolutely no other way to dump rage, which is not ...
That's exactly what you do tho..
strong forum
Ye
pallid quiver
no that's exactly what you do in meaningful content
jagged pier
so because im bad at math - what was the "dmg reduction %" difference between d ...
it was 20% less damage now its 15%
warm plinth
it only casts IP when theres absolutely no other way to dump rage, which is not ...
that is exactly what you do
😂
pallid quiver
You
threaten overcapping a lot, first off
strong forum
your sim particularly had a 16% ip uptime
Look at the HTML
pallid quiver
And block is where the majority of your survival comes from, first off, too
strong forum
It's because of brewmasters
tulip kelp
Anyone know why my title keeps disappearing everytime I log in?
inner rapids
random question since it's about guardian druid, you cant get that cool werebear form right?
warm plinth
I'm not low ilvl Nome I'm huge 😠
pallid quiver
ghash never moved on from the afterlife
strong forum
To make brewmasters work in Sims, they had to increase dmg intake to raid levels of dmg intake
jagged pier
random question since it's about guardian druid, you cant get that cool werebear...
u can get the fel one
warm plinth
random question since it's about guardian druid, you cant get that cool werebear...
You can get the new one still, but not the OG white one
fierce nexus
it was 20% less damage now its 15%
sry I meant like, effective dmg reduction (ie after all other usual stuff)
pallid quiver
we loved ghash so much while he was still around ;-;
inner rapids
you can get the fel one? really? awesome
noble lynx
so because im bad at math - what was the "dmg reduction %" difference between d ...
It was 0.95*0.8 =0.76 now its just 0.85
strong forum
If you're low ilvl, your sim will consistently be in the negative HP range
inner rapids
i guess bear will be my second tank spec to level
jagged pier
sry I meant like, effective dmg reduction (ie after all other usual stuff)
im not working that out
strong forum
Which fucks with the buff and resource tab
warm plinth
you can get the fel one? really? awesome
yeah we're the lucky ones because we still get cool things from mage tower 😂
sick sentinel
this is mine im 382
warm plinth
Well, we being bears
fierce nexus
im not working that out
haha thats fair - i think scytherr got me anwyays 😛
pallid quiver
If you're low ilvl, your sim will consistently be in the negative HP range
you mean sims are scaled for max level and relevantly geared characters, where people sim the most?
strong forum
Cuz dmg intake is so high
inner rapids
Would you guys suggest bear or prot pala for next tank to level?
ionic fern
Would you guys suggest bear or prot pala for next tank to level?
Pala.
warm plinth
Prot paladin probably
inner rapids
pepega
warm plinth
Bear is fine though if you prefer playing that
noble lynx
Fuck bear
jagged pier
paladin is giga broken but being slept on right now
noble lynx
Dont play bear
pallid quiver
I'd say Bear just because I'm biased towards pink class
inner rapids
which race for horde pala?
inner rapids
pls dont say belf i will kill myself
warm plinth
which race for horde pala?
the one that feels fastest when running so you don't hate yourself
inner rapids
nvm
pallid quiver
Gonk Troll
tulip kelp
Does anyone else's title turn off each time they log in? Or is there something going wrong with mine
warm plinth
If you're gonna be zanda you play female though because male zandas run weird af
inner rapids
belves are so stupid, the fucking ears go out of their helmets T_T
pallid quiver
cows are also acceptable
brave temple
Paladin orc
inner rapids
Paladin orc
thats not possible is it? I would 100000% go that
warm plinth
it's not, sadge
sick sentinel
Still too low ilvl
but then its only casting ip 25 times in a 5 min combat
warm plinth
yet anyway
strong forum
but then its only casting ip 25 times in a 5 min combat
Don't look at casts m8
It bugs out cuz theoretically you're dead
inner rapids
I know orc warr isnt optimal for mythic + runs but I cant stand belves
am i doomed to fail
ionic fern
I know orc warr isnt optimal for mythic + runs but I cant stand belves
Just play what ever .
sick sentinel
so what does simming live char do rn then
ionic fern
........
warm plinth
Yeah play whatever you want man
strong forum
so what does simming live char do rn then
It Sims for dmg like normal
sour mortar
Do people still pick races to be optimal?
wary plume
am i doomed to fail
absolutely doomed, dead, impossible
warm plinth
Some do
inner rapids
I was Orc half my Warriors lifetime.
what are you now
strong forum
But don't look too far into the details of the result of buffs
pallid quiver
yes, race makes a litteraley 15 key range difference
ionic fern
Dwarf
inner rapids
absolutely doomed, dead, impossible
i knew it
pallid quiver
youll be dedded if not dorf
inner rapids
shit
warm plinth
Dwarf is the best race, tbh. No competition.
inner rapids
might as well quit
strong forum
The dmg you deal is correct
jagged pier
if u pick to be opttimal u would pick dwarf
inner rapids
i ant be belf sorry
warm plinth
Well
warm plinth
Actually Kul Tiran are a good competitor purely because of their heritage armor
strong forum
The rest bugs out until you can actually survive in the sim
inner rapids
if u pick to be opttimal u would pick dwarf
alliance is gay change my mind
sick sentinel
do you cast IP if you're "dead" in sim?
jagged pier
well horde best race is vulpera for tank
inner rapids
oh shiiiiit
jagged pier
so
wary plume
alliance is gay change my mind
no need for hate speech
jagged pier
🤷
pallid quiver
dorfs shouldn't be alliance, they should be their own faction
warm plinth
Some of my best friends are gay
strong forum
You can blame brewmasters for that @sick sentinel
wary plume
you used it in that way though
strong forum
There is no way to fix that
jagged pier
alliance is gay change my mind
whats wrong with being gay? thats a problem nowadays?
inner rapids
NO
jagged pier
shouldnt really be used as an insult tbh
inner rapids
fuck sake
warm plinth
I will kiss everyone in here, let's fuckin go
ionic fern
Aight, no more such talk.
wary plume
shouldnt really be used as an insult tbh
this
jagged pier
i mean thats subjective
warm plinth
Blue man has spoken 
sour mortar
Factions are stupid, hopefully they're abolished next expansion
inner rapids
SEVERAL PEOPLE ARE TYPING
jagged pier
I was bored of horde after playing horde since vanilla
warm plinth
SEVERAL
ionic fern
Alliance is stupid
Says the hordie following Sylvanas.
jagged pier
so the moment i could change i did
warm plinth
Sylvanas makes me angry
tropic sundial
Faction tribalism is stupid 
jagged pier
Says the hordie following Sylvanas.
she is my QUEEN
inner rapids
Says the hordie following Sylvanas.
i wouldn't know didnt play since pandaria
tulip kelp
What's top west coast alliance server?
warm plinth
She killed a tree 😢
inner rapids
kul tiran looks like me IRL
inner rapids
but i went horde
broken mulch
She killed a tree 😢
🔥
inner rapids
i was alliance for all my playime before
ionic fern
What's top west coast alliance server?
Top in what? Players per Square km?
inner rapids
i dont have allied races
warm plinth
waaaaat
tulip kelp
Top in what? Players per Square km?
population
warm plinth
idk man. Stormrage, Proudmoore, Dalaran are all decent sized
But idk if any are pacific
inner rapids
and again, apologies for my former comments, really didn't not mean to insult anyone
warm plinth
I still love you
inner rapids
They came in bfa
you mean kultirans?
warm plinth
yeah, kt were bfa
brave temple
Ya
inner rapids
jeez
strong forum
@sick sentinel okay so it is fixable, I'll get to it later today
warm plinth
ik we're old man
pallid quiver
I've played the same Tauren Warrior since I ever started playing.
I just actually associate with the character
inner rapids
yeah I am now a father of 2 kids so not much playtime
warm plinth
Nomeratur off to save the day
inner rapids
so hence I wanna be a bit more optimal with what i choose
strong forum
Cuz the apl isn't wrong, it's just the environment is built around mythic raid dmg intake
warm plinth
how old are kiddos?
warm plinth
daww
brave temple
yeah I am now a father of 2 kids so not much playtime
Make them grind herbs
warm plinth
I have no kids but I have nieces
tulip kelp
5 year old is enough to farm nodes for you
Get him/her mining asap
Make them earn their keep
inner rapids
i was thinking of conditioning them to farm and i feed them
warm plinth
idk man, dragonriding might be a bit complex for a 5 year old
inner rapids
but i think that's child slavery
warm plinth
Like 1 node = 1 bite of food? 😂
inner rapids
might be a problem
warm plinth
At the very least it's indentured servitude
inner rapids
wife will also most likely disagree with me
warm plinth
😂
inner rapids
damn
pallid quiver
Can confirm that's actually the legal standing on it
warm plinth
It's all about perspective
inner rapids
i will present this argument to my wife
pallid quiver
make of that what you will
warm plinth
Tell her she needs to help you farm too; how are oyu supposed to put potions on the table
inner rapids
she has no idea about video games
pallid quiver
Tell her she needs to help you farm too; how are oyu supposed to put potions on ...
That one's not legal
pallid quiver
fuck kids amirite?
- Courts since 50,000,000 BC
warm plinth
you know what's kinda crazy to me
pallid quiver
i should have been more accurate and aimed for babylon im an idiot
warm plinth
you get in trouble for hitting a dog but not a kid
pallid quiver
On one hand, I agree, on the other,
the kid's human it deserves it
inner rapids
I actually shared a story here a few days ago
pallid quiver
time to have that statement screencapped and used against me in the future
inner rapids
Was relaxing after work and played a bit of wow and my 5 yo comes and asks me what i am doing and since i was concentrating on tanking, i told the kid: "I am tanking" and my kid said: but daddy, there are no tanks
😄
sick sentinel
Heya quick question:
For the rotation, do i consume the violent outburst proc in ST with Tunderclap if im unlucky with Sield slam procs or do i wait until Shield slam is off cd?
pallid quiver
Heya quick question:
For the rotation, do i consume the violent outburst proc in...
If you run out of all rage and absolute options for generating and your only solution would be to waste a GCD, send it on TC. That's kinda rare, tho
warm plinth
time to have that statement screencapped and used against me in the future
#cancelled
sick sentinel
If you run out of all rage and absolute options for generating and your only sol...
yea, its not happening very often but wondered on the times it does happen and how to solve these
inner rapids
happy holidays!
wary plume
anyone got a violent outburst tracker that works? my 4p one from SL broke and i've been lazy on looking for a new one
limpid anchor
Just put in the new spell id or use the name option
inner rapids
@jagged pier if youd have to pick a horde race which would you pick
since you are dwarf master race
inner rapids
ughh
pallid quiver
Just put in the new spell id or use the name option
If he's using the one I'm thinking of, it used custom code that needs adjusting, as well
inner rapids
but how can you play them if they clip their ears and eyebrows
wary plume
If he's using the one I'm thinking of, it used custom code that needs adjusting,...
ye its knackered
pallid quiver
ye its knackered
The bar that tracked rage spending one, right?
limpid anchor
Oh, then idk, I just use a wa to see the stacks
pallid quiver
I kinda jury rigged a version of it for myself to use, but I lazy-moded it and didn't account for if you use barbaric training
inner rapids
oh yeah, getting to 60 is best to just quest right? I am in shadowlands, should I switch to other timelines?
wary plume
WoD is typically fastest
pallid quiver
Yeah, Shadowlands ain't the fastest, but I'd also ditch it because i cannot stand to be in shadowlands anymore
wary plume
but pick your poison
jagged pier
<@179993058186625025> if youd have to pick a horde race which would you pick
if u want best horde race its vulpera for tanking
inner rapids
Alrighty thanks fellas
jagged pier
im bored of all horde races i used to faction change every tier
wary plume
xfaction guilds when
jagged pier
already a thing
wary plume
id spend stupid moey on race changes
jagged pier
they are called communities
wary plume
and they suck
jagged pier
and u can raid with 4 of the opposite faction and still have it under the guild
wary plume
guilds next pls
im an officer so its a huge pain to not be "in the guild" on my characters
noble lynx
Do you rly think communities and guilds are same
warm plinth
Guys, I have a request
inner rapids
Guys, I have a request
yes
warm plinth
I need everyone to refer to Nokhud Offensive as Circle K
noble lynx
Huh
warm plinth
Because it's near Maruukai and in Japanese that means Circle Mart, and Circle K is a convenience store chain. So Nokhud is now Circle K
noble lynx
Is it cause you kill 3 camps to summon each boss and circle in 3 k thanks no
warm plinth
I plan on exclusively referring to it as such the entire expansion, even if I have to make a macro to explain it
warm plinth
for NO I don't want to do it?
😂
We don't have it in S1 right
I don't remember which ones we have
pallid quiver
it's one to many u's and that matters in japan, unfortunately ;-;
wary plume
and B: NO its boring
its in S1 yeah
its not "bad" or unpleasant
but so far its super boring
the bosses have no mechanics
and the trash is extremely repetitive
s1 is azure, ruby, NO and academy
strong forum
Notgud
wary plume
notgud and offensive
jagged pier
linear offensive
wary plume
linear offensive
you can take any of the 3 ballista packs with the exact same mobs in, in any order!
mint imp
yo, is the Brutal Vitality still bugged? So we use Fueled by Violence talent?
noble lynx
Yes and no
severe steeple
i don't think anyone is gonna die just by picking fuel by violence tbh
opal flame
as a prot warr, would you rather craft weapon or shield, if both of them you have on the same ilvl?
jagged pier
shield
ionic fern
as a prot warr, would you rather craft weapon or shield, if both of them you hav...
Personally? Weapon.
Suggestions to others? Shield.
opal flame
yup, though so, I'm crafting weapon haha
mint imp
Engineering head for tinker socket 😄
opal flame
but strangely, the gear compare sim is telling me that fist weapon is the best to craft (even through it's only +-2 dps on them
jagged pier
if its a blue number
it means its in the margin of error
ergo they are all the same
opal flame
yeah, I though so. It's the same stats on all of them
I guess I'll craft the one with cheapest mats and the one I have my knowledge in already
noble lynx
Does shield contribute at all into shield slam dmg or is that a blast from the past
jagged pier
it gives strength
noble lynx
Nah it used to scale with block value or something thats what i meant
warm plinth
Yeah it stopped scaling with shield block value in cata
jagged pier
🤔
noble lynx
Yeah it stopped scaling with shield block value in cata
Oh i was sure it worked like that in mop still at least
pallid quiver
cata wasn't really that long ago
i mean, i can remember it and all and i lived it, so
blazing condor
Im still young and happy damnit
pallid quiver
i remember it all and i lived it
noble lynx
I guess they removed most of the whack with cata
hollow dove
Is Frostfire Legguards of Preparation good for prot?
long stone
It’s with the haste Buff or ?
hollow dove
Yea thats the one, "damaging a new enemy grants you 172 haste for 10 sec, stacks up to 5"
warm plinth
It's not very good
hollow dove
Ah okay, thought the haste would be quite good for M+, my bad then 😄
warm plinth
It's just not a very big amount of haste
ionic fern
860 haste. 
hollow dove
currently only sitting at 2300 so 860 would be a fair bit 😄
night wadi
which gem is better: quick ysemerald (t3 gives 88 haste) or the forceful nozrodite (t3 gives 102 stamina 33 haste) ?
heavy temple
I'm not sure how to play nokhud without a dk. How do you get the mobs around the dragon boss to stack up, the longbows just wont fucking stack 😄, it really sucks when there are two..
strong forum
which gem is better: quick ysemerald (t3 gives 88 haste) or the forceful nozrodi...
Always secondary stat
We never socket stamina
Unless it would let you survive a huge hit you couldn't otherwise survive
fathom goblet
Whats dps rank across tank spec ?
night wadi
thank you!
ionic fern
Whats dps rank across tank spec ?
?
oak ivy
tank specs ranked by dps output is my guess
forest fern
Our burst is one of the highest I think, not sure about sustain
tropic sundial
What buff do we use on the Primal Ritual Shell? Is the Earth one overkill and we go Fire?
spice radish
anybody has tested this in pve?
strong forum
If you want a mix of dmg and surv you go mastery
If you want full surv you got earth
strong forum
anybody has tested this in pve?
It's one of the better ones for tanks
Does like 1.5% dmg
strong forum
Whats dps rank across tank spec ?
Bear > pwar > bdk > pally > brew > vdh in ST I think
I think
Vdh Sims aren't working yet
spice radish
i see, cheers yo
tropic sundial
Thanks Nom.
jolly wasp
guys im sure its been asked already but are there particularly good crafted items to prioritize?
jolly wasp
You mean the shield with versa proc?
warm plinth
I would prefer the molten defender with spikes over hearth
Can't re-embellish hearth shield and the proc isn't very good
jolly wasp
alright i guessed these 2 would be gucci, thanks for the info ❤️
strong forum
The vers wrists also look to be quite a good pickup with the coming reset
In terms of embellishments
tired pivot
why is the haste/crit food recommended over haste/vers food on the icy veins guide?
tired pivot
is there main stat personal food?
tired pivot
o damn
strong forum
75 mainstat from the fortune cookie food
tired pivot
shit you right, that stuff is so good
junior jolt
Should I bother with Embelishments? And if I do is it the neck and belt combo ?
bronze steeple
hey folks. im thinking about crafting the elemental lariat neck and saw that it got a socket on its own. there is this new item which allowes me to add up to 3 sockets to my neckalce, so is this limited to 3 sockets or can i get a total of 4 sockets on my neck since it got one by its own?
warm plinth
3 max
bronze steeple
alright. ty
blazing condor
75 mainstat from the fortune cookie food
150 if you panda gang 😎
strong forum
Panda bis or
bronze steeple
so i bought all the parts for the necklace now, but how does it work with the optional reagents. can those be provided by the crafter or do i need to provide everything by my own? cuz in that case i would just get the 382 one since im missing the infusion
strong forum
You have to provide the infusion
The only things you don't have to (but should) provide for the craft are the actual materials like alloys and awakened air and stuff like that
The optional stuff on the right side, like infusions or add-on embellishments or preferred stats, you provide but aren't necessary to the craft
loud hull
does aiding the accord scale with ur item lvl on character? so if im 364 i wanna get 370 before opening
strong forum
It does ye
main locust
Thinking long term, how do you guys feel about crafting Engi wrists? The 429 Haste & CR Tinker is nice and the only potential replacement is from Mythic Raszageth.
fast widget
Just tp get this straight then, im guessing its a chance of an upgrade, otherwise I wanna know how I, 379 equipped, 382 in bags, got a 376 from weekly..
lyric geode
Why enchants are that high?
Also, what is the point of enchanting. You replace the gear day one.
pallid quiver
Just tp get this straight then, im guessing its a chance of an upgrade, otherwis...
I think it's capped at 376, but scales up to that. More than a few of the drop stuffs are capped like that
fast widget
Yeah, buy aiding the accord was supposed to go up to 382, no? Plenty if friends/guildies who got 382, and one guy bugging out completely and looked a 392 for some weird reason
lyric geode
I think I would get ripped off if I bought an enchant right now with the current prices...
pallid quiver
i thought it was only to like 376, tbh, so beats me
I wasn't really fussing much over gear, anyhow, considering M+ and Raid soon, anyhow
lyric geode
Wait... Does it mean that if you go 420 ilvl, world quests would drop similar ilvl?
fast widget
Yeah, buy aiding the accord was supposed to go up to 382, no? Plenty if friends/...
Sorry, was 389
fast widget
I wasn't really fussing much over gear, anyhow, considering M+ and Raid soon, an...
This is also true, just an annoyance while opening box
fast widget
Wait... Does it mean that if you go 420 ilvl, world quests would drop similar il...
So far they are reported to cap out at 382 (wowhead). I dont know more than that
long stone
Ehm question in which Stance are you tanking ? Battle or deff ?
ionic fern
Battle - for now.
swift shard
How is prot warrior in open world boss fights at the moment? Does it have the sustain?
swift shard
World bosses yeah
noble lynx
Im pretty sure any spec can right click on world boss and kill it without further problems so dont worry about that
swift shard
Right click?
limpid anchor
Auto attack
swift shard
I enjoy soloing world bosses, still struggling past 3mil health ones
cobalt seal
I enjoy soloing world bosses, still struggling past 3mil health ones
Hmmm
pulsar sedge
Uhh, those aren't world bosses
swift shard
Using the wrong word then, level 72 rares maybe?
warm plinth
think the current term is "super rare"
pulsar sedge
Yeah just super rares or w.e. world bosses come out on tuesday
lyric elm
careful about using the wrong word on discord, the chatters will trigger despite understanding perfectly what you said 
sturdy parrot
Could I get some thoughts on my specs
BkEAR5QSZgdnGefDo4ho9ZGXKLEJAAAAgkkEJJJiEJJpVQAQRQSJJBISSSQJkkEIQIAAAAAAAQEAAHgCA M+
swift shard
careful about using the wrong word on discord, the chatters will trigger despite...
Sounds accurate
sturdy parrot
BkEAR5QSZgdnGefDo4ho9ZGXKLEJAAAAgkkEJJJiEJJpVQAQRQSJJBISSSQJkkEIQIAAAAAAAQEAAHgCA Raid Boss Tank
cobalt seal
Using the wrong word then, level 72 rares maybe?
I solo a 4M rare as bm
swift shard
I solo a 4M rare as bm
What ilvl are you?
strong forum
You shouldn't struggle with any kind of open world mobs
Be it World boss or anything
cobalt seal
375
strong forum
So you might have some rotational issues going on
abstract token
hey prot gang whats stat priority? i dont tank just give me the brief
noble lynx
Ilvl
abstract token
how bad is vers
warm plinth
ilevel>haste>crit=vers>mastery approximately
noble lynx
Ilvl
abstract token
ilevel>haste>crit=vers>mastery approximately
ty
noble lynx
Ilvl
tropic sundial
wow strength, stamina, and more stats are good? thanks for the sick insight
Can"t check pins, get snarky anyway
abstract token
i aint readin all that bro, all i need is 4 words
cobalt seal
i aint readin all that bro, all i need is 4 words
Then dont bitch
He answered you in 4 letters
abstract token
damn anyone else want blocked? i just came for a little help
mellow quartz
You could have seen that on wowhead or in the pins.
cobalt seal
And blocked
abstract token
i could read through 15 pages of a doctoral thesis or I could get the info from someone who isnt a tool
radiant magnet
Doesnt matter. If the pins are too much effort, you'll be changing class in a week anyway.
mellow quartz
If you are to lazy to look up the answer you don’t deserve an answer.
pulsar sedge
Or, learn how to scroll to a different pin? Those are all separate posts lol
Or ctrl F to find what you want?
abstract token
tropic sundial
For thin skin I recommend using Ignore Pain.
but good job on that Defensive Stance.
pulsar sedge
Action failed, couldn't figure out he needed a shield first 😉
sage granite
a true warrior blocks everything and everyone
wary wave
I just boosted a warrior and had no idea I had shield block as a spell 
I just press the funny glowy buttons
severe hatch
Cro only sees posts from himself, better discussion that way
karmic plinth
sometimes you just gotta get opinions from a real one
wary wave
I have 40 minutes of warrior play time, ask me anything so I can teach you to git gud
severe hatch
I have 40 minutes of warrior play time, ask me anything so I can teach you to gi...
When do I dodge roll?
wary wave
Dodge roll on cool down or to iFrame boss abilities
strong forum
Does the spec page still tell you about main abilities?
Cuz I could see that being an issue if the game doesn't tell you about SB itself since you don't have to talent into it
tropic sundial
strong forum
That's pretty bad.
wary wave
tropic sundial
Shield Block is not given by prot spec though, it's available to everyone I think
as long as you have a shield
i think
wary wave
I just pressed shield block and revenge and thunderclap and tanked 2 dungeons like that
tired basin
There are other buttons?
wary wave
idk I had shield block 
tropic sundial
Yeah it's not in the prot tab of Abilities but in Warrior tab
sour mortar
Isn't that shield wall
wary wave
It is
tropic sundial
Isn't that shield wall
yup
sour mortar
I feel like shield slam and ignore pain would be the two main ones, even if ignore pain isn't unique to prot it's kind it the bread and butter
tropic sundial
IP is unique to prot now though
it's the first node in the prot tree
no more IP for Fury/Arms
sour mortar
Oh is it
wary wave
Yes
sour mortar
Well then there you go
sour mortar
I've played prot for awhile so I knew it existed I just don't pay attention to anything
mellow quartz
But it doesnt autonmatically get put on your bar
You are aware abilities are highlighted in your spell book when not on your bars right?
Expecting people to read their spell book is not exactly a high bar.
wary wave
Do the talented spells get put in your spell book?
I thought you gotta drag them from your talents
mellow quartz
Yes
warm plinth
yeah
sour mortar
I think so
tropic sundial
Also if you click on the search box in talent window, you can select "Missing from action bar" and it'll highlight talents you havent mapped
mellow quartz
Even passives
wary wave
Also if you click on the search box in talent window, you can select "Missing fr...
Ahh this is a good tip
tropic sundial
wary wave
Yeah I mean, I skipped SL completely and its my first day in DF
I only missed Shield Block apparently
mellow quartz
Spell book still works the same 🤷♂️
warm plinth
people in here are being kinda rude tonight, what's up with that. give the guy a break
wary wave
Yea, I just did the spells before I did my talents I think
No its cool, I am not offended lol
sour mortar
You should be, stand up for yourself
limpid anchor
Be offended :<
sour mortar
Fight back
wary wave
I play priest idk how to stand up for myself 
sour mortar
That's why your tanks do it for you i suppose
wary wave
Tanks are cool
sour mortar
Yeah we are
wary wave
As long as they are not DHs
sour mortar
Disc or Holy?
wary wave
Holy in PvE, Disc in PvP
limpid anchor
As long as they are not DHs
Hear that cro? Fuck dh
wary wave
YEAH!
limpid anchor
Funny how cro only says something when it’s about dh
cobalt seal
Wdym
acoustic jewel
what is the best healer for p.war in DF?
warm plinth
pfft pwar doesn't need a healer
topaz field
any healer as they dont need a single point of healing
warm plinth
the one that can keep your group alive 🙂
strong forum
Mechanically speaking it's rdruid
topaz field
not h pal?
lucid bough
nah
topaz field
i dont want to waste my LB on tank tho
tbh
with the huge amounts of group wide dmg
strong forum
Hots are extremely complimentary to our high mitigation profile
topaz field
but i get your point
strong forum
Then just don't use lb on tank lol
strong forum
He shouldn't need one
Rejuv + efflo + whatever else random shit is flying around will be plenty for a pwar to sustain him until the highest of keys
That was the case already in shadowlands
topaz field
Rejuv + efflo + whatever else random shit is flying around will be plenty for a ...
u heard that guys nome is a nice tank he will stay in efflo
so should u all!
warm plinth
wouldn't you probably use lifebloom on yourself for the increased hot ticks anyway
since party damage is a bigger concern
topaz field
no u will play double LB and verdancy
and verdancy healing is way better when u dont LB yourself
lucid bough
People were hyping preservation as the best healer but i was healing as evoker this week and its miserable the range in certain bosses. Melee and ranged spread, couldn't embrance bc there was mechanics in the way
topaz field
i mean its a rather new class so ppl just have to get used to it right
i think evoker is by far the best healer for most comps
unless u have a squishy tank
lucid bough
I did couple of 20s in sl and it was fine but i feel certaun bosses in df are triggering me so much I just put that alt in the shelf
topaz field
which is not gonna happen
lucid bough
You are right i guess
eager schooner
Just don't invite ranged 
cobalt seal
I did couple of 20s in sl and it was fine but i feel certaun bosses in df are tr...
You sure
Its not you and dps
Not knowing wtf to do
Its new bosses
Dont expect dps to know what to do
lucid bough
Could be that ya
tropic sundial
Preservation may require DPS not to stand in freaking Narnia for sure
topaz field
that is true for r druid too tho
topaz field
reju heals for 10 k over 10 secs or something like that
strong forum
People were hyping preservation as the best healer but i was healing as evoker t...
It's the best cuz of its offensive capabilities, but it's not easy at all and very hectic
Much like tanks, healers arent just there to be hps kings
Look at paladin until s3 SL
Mostly brought cuz of dps, sac, bop and dispel
Hpriest? Cuz pi
olive steeple
Hpriest? Cuz pi
They still have pi
topaz field
Mostly brought cuz of dps, sac, bop and dispel
with their lack of utility they really deserved a CR xD
craggy pilot
2 more days 
strong forum
Yeah but they lost alot of dmg output
Hpriest had really high dmg output + pi, the tierset also enabled them to be actually be brought
You obv need a combo of everything
olive steeple
For sure. Hpriest also had amazing spot healing
swift shard
Dont expect dps to know what to do
As a tank main, i feel this statement
copper basin
I'm coming back to the game how are warrior tanks??
uneven mason
As good as the other tanks
copper basin
So they finally balance them?? I stop after Legion
strong forum
Well more balanced than in bfa or legion, that's for sure
proven flax
anyone have any idea what affix gear we want?
copper basin
Cool thanks
proven flax
elemental neck + ?
strong forum
Wrist, helmet, maybe bronze wrappings don't know exactly what they do yet
uneven mason
What is this affix gear
strong forum
Embellishments
proven flax
I'm guessing shield wont be good as its proc and not flat
green apex
its proc procs alot
strong forum
It's the same amount of vers as the bracers
But conditional
It's ~60% uptime of 1.5% vers
Bracers are 100% uptime on 0.8-1% vers
green apex
i only chose the shield cause i needed one
craggy pilot
i guess Bronze Grip Wrapings is the same as Fang Adornments, but for casters 🤔
proven flax
true, consistency is better
craggy pilot
true
just craft whatever you can
which is easier/cheaper or whatever the fk
neck will be a huge market, and will be insanely difficult to come by most likely
proven flax
I am gonna craft shield, can already 4 star the mythic one with the mats, just wanted to be sure that if I craft the non embelishment one I'm not screwing myself over
proven flax
can you remove embelishments from the gear
strong forum
Don't think so
warm plinth
When you recraft you can
As long as it's not a pre-fix one like shield fo the hearth
proven flax
not even if the base gear didnt have one
green apex
i was gonna craft a wep and do the food buff on it
since we dont get a wep from the last 4
warm plinth
Food buff doesn't count as an embellishment currently either.
craggy pilot
i did food buff on my shield, and now i got to thinking that im Arms in raid, so i wont have food buff for raid 
warm plinth
It's an embellishment but it doesn't put the "unique equipped" thing on there
warm plinth
not even if the base gear didnt have one
as long as the base gear doesn't have one, you can remove them when you recraft
proven flax
so might be worth until I can get 2, putting like armor spikes on the shield
cunning knot
Anyone had a look at trinkets for prot from raid yet?
craggy pilot
Anyone had a look at trinkets for prot from raid yet?
all-totem is the shit aparently
for the 2nd trinket i cant remember
craggy pilot
i think it was All-Totem + Grieftorch being BIS for Warr
uneven mason
So puzzlebox
What the shit with cast times on trinket
I'm using it because 300 STR but really
proven flax
might be a world where we use all-totem + horn of valor
uneven mason
Horn, if it's not scuffed by "balancing"
noble lynx
I just pressed shield block and revenge and thunderclap and tanked 2 dungeons li...
Just like in classic pog
waxen frigate
Don't think so
oh shit i was wondering why your name was familiar
storm shell
classic had more buttons 
waxen frigate
this is where i knew you from lmao
Anyway, on to why I came in here: any boulderfist gamers in the chat? curious to see how prot warrior is faring with it, it's fun
lyric geode
The real question about trinkets. Is OWS still valuable in Dragonflight?
waxen frigate
The real question about trinkets. Is OWS still valuable in Dragonflight?
meme or serious
lyric geode
Memeing
waxen frigate
ok thank god
warm plinth
pretty sure fully stacked it would only be like .8% haste or something 😂
waxen frigate
Because there are some shadowlands trinkets that might be viable
And I've heard rumors of some... forbidden tech
warm plinth
idk about you guys but I'm using my cyclotronic
lyric geode
Because there are some shadowlands trinkets that might be viable
Like?
waxen frigate
For warrior? Not sure
But I've seen some discussion about RDM and/or cache for brew
From my own testing RDM didnt feel good though
lyric geode
Ah ok. I was thinking about farming Elisandre's trinket
jagged pier
literally called it at teh start of S4 that a fated aegis will be used in S1 DF most likely
and maybe RDM cause it still trucks
waxen frigate
oh i forgot about aegis
lyric geode
literally called it at teh start of S4 that a fated aegis will be used in S1 DF ...
Kewk
waxen frigate
deffo aegis that's in my bags still
warm plinth
Ah ok. I was thinking about farming Elisandre's trinket
Disabled above level 49 my friend lol
lyric geode
Disabled above level 49 my friend lol
I know. I know. Just find it weird that some of trinkets are indeed viable from previous expansion.
noble lynx
I was wondering if sinful revelations work on df weapons
waxen frigate
@jagged pier I dm'd you
noble lynx
Cause its a 6% dmg increase
warm plinth
Agi specs would definitely still be using diver's folly if it wasn't deactivated lol
lyric geode
@noble lynx I did my homework and I learnt the stat priority.
waxen frigate
The nokhud trinket also seems decent, just very unreliable
lyric geode
Ilvl>haste>critical=versa>mastery
lyric geode
The nokhud trinket also seems decent, just very unreliable
True
waxen frigate
also the ritual shell but afaik that's only a WQ trinket so will fall off hard eventually with ilvl
and not strength
so rip warriors
dusk loom
Been away for a bit but why are we now going tough as nails in noms m+ build over bolster? Just curious haven’t followed close due to some other shit coming up
waxen frigate
it's a neat one though
tired pivot
so wait, do we have 2 trinkets that we want to use?
cursive burrow
Been away for a bit but why are we now going tough as nails in noms m+ build ove...
Don't need the SB uptime.
inland raft
so now that played for 2 days, is it normal this expansion to essentially struggle to dump rage constantly, feelsl ike im spammin ip as dump a shitton compared to sl, at least first 2 seasons before i quit
lyric geode
I prefer to have a passive trinket then just a slot for an active one.
tired pivot
well, mobs still deal 0 damage so it is understandable that you are having trouble spending it properly
jovial birch
Psh spend it on revenge hardly even need Ip in anything right now.
inland raft
revenge is gcd locked and cant spend it fast enough that way
warm plinth
how hard the content is shouldn't have any impact on whether you can spend rage properly. Just have to press rage-spending buttons
tired pivot
it does
warm plinth
revenge on CD, IP when that's not enough
lyric elm
released yday https://wago.io/p/DorkiRoutes
tired pivot
if IP gets used in 8 seconds, you have no need to press the button
lyric geode
Well with more haste less GCD. So more likely to pump your rage somewhere other than ignore pain.
warm plinth
if IP gets used in 8 seconds, you have no need to press the button
You press IP whether you need the IP or not
tired pivot
ofc
warm plinth
Because it's better to spend the rage than overcap
So how does that affect whether or not you can spend rage
tired pivot
I am saying that it is impossible to optimize on mobs that deal no damage
to not waste rage
dusk loom
Don't need the SB uptime.
Fair enough would have just figured you would drop HR and play ITF bolster. Which I now see is his second option as I cannot read
warm plinth
We're not talking about optimizing; we're talking about spending rage to not overcap
cobalt seal
Like
tired pivot
yes
cobalt seal
What dif does it make
tired pivot
that is called optimizing
warm plinth
Playing correctly = optimizing now?
cobalt seal
In terms of spending rage on ip
tired pivot
not wasting your resources is optimizing your gameplay yes
cobalt seal
To not overcap
jovial birch
It capping rage is about the only time I’m pressing it right now definitely don’t need it to survive.
warm plinth
Which is not affected at all by how much damage you take
lyric geode
Playing correctly = optimizing now?
People can not optimize and still have fun.
jovial birch
Not*
warm plinth
Taking 5 damage and taking 50,000 damage does not affect my ability to press Ignore Pain
Or revenge
proven flax
My prio is IP if not gonna cap either, Revenge, IP if it's partly capping, revenge spam