protection

[mellow quartz]

also spamming shockwave will DR the mobs and making other group CC less valuable

[sick sentinel]

i will but i want the comfortable option for now since i just rerolled from brewmaster

[strong forum]

sure

[sick sentinel]

less buttons

[strong forum]

thats fine

[sick sentinel]

i also dont use any flasks or anything

but im a try hard and do very high keys

and will go deep down in the rabbit hole as soon as the week gets released

[strong forum]

[mellow quartz]

do very high keys but not wanting to use flasks?

[zealous willow]

can u use auto clicker addon in wow ?

[strong forum]

no

[mellow quartz]

have fun not having anyone to play with

[strong forum]

if you use 3rd party software to automate stuff inside wow

[sick sentinel]

haha what?

[strong forum]

youre subject to get banned

[sick sentinel]

@mellow quartz

[strong forum]

i think xander meant hes not using flasks for m0s

not, not using flasks ever

[mellow quartz]

you said you dont use flasks or anything but that you wanna push high keys

[sick sentinel]

yeah for m0 they dont contribute anything other than wasting my resources

its better to use my gold to kick start my professions

[mellow quartz]

I see

yeah I dont use anything for m0 either

don't even have enchants or gems

thought you meant for doing keys in general

[sick sentinel]

also my dps is quite big and i carry most of the dungeons i do

[mellow quartz]

'ok'

....

[tropic sundial]

[sick sentinel]

i do keys with flasks

lol?!

[mellow quartz]

did you listen to yourself there for a second? "look at me I do big dps and carry keys"

[loud patrol]

🍿 wating fo the "show your IO" moment

[sick sentinel]

this nomeratur guy seems pretty informative, ill come in the future to learn some more advanced stuff in the future about warrior

[cerulean tusk]

Using flask for m+ makes sense to me when you are pushing also food and potions

[reef haven]

This is gonna be a kinda confusing question so sorry in advance.

If I'm rage capped, shield block up, ignore pain still high on duration/shield and thunder clap ready, should I just use ignore pain anyway and press thunderclap on cooldown?

[mellow quartz]

show your m0 runs! 🙂

[sick sentinel]

i have no idea how haste works in particular

ive seen most spells scale with it a little bit

[cerulean tusk]

Haste makes you do things faster. Basically.

[sweet summit]

use IP to avoid getting rage capped

[tropic sundial]

Don't overcap , use IP anyway

[sweet summit]

then continue as normal

[mellow quartz]

never think abt IP cap as anything you need to track

[sick sentinel]

revenge non stop

[sweet summit]

?

[reef haven]

ye I figured, thx

[mellow quartz]

TC does more damage than revenge with avatar running and UF

so no dont revenge non stop

[loud patrol]

dont do this

[sick sentinel]

show us some dps overalls. might prove informative

[mellow quartz]

also TC spreads rend in aoe and refreshes it

[dusky canopy]

sheesh, how to know were fotm without looking up whats fotm

just read the shit posts here lmao

[sick sentinel]

i have no reason not to, at least not a significant reason

[tired pivot]

can someone point me to the good m+ routes for s1 of df?

[mellow quartz]

literally just told you 2 reasons

TC does more damage than revenge *during avatar with UF) and TC spreads and refreshes rend

[sweet summit]

afaik there are no great public route resources atm

[strong forum]

hold W

[loud patrol]

[dusky canopy]

😂

[sweet summit]

fair i guess

[sick sentinel]

sry but i dont prefer tc as my main play because it doesnt contribute to my personal fluidity of how i spend my rage

[dusky canopy]

pull everything in a straightline from start to finish

[sweet summit]

what

[tropic sundial]

[loud patrol]

.-.

[mellow quartz]

thats fine if you wanna play sub optimally but dont tell others to do so

[tired pivot]

fair, I made some that I think will be somewhat similar to the meta(for 3 df dungeons) But I have no idea about the other 5

[fast knot]

[dusky canopy]

this guys high keys are probably 12s guys

cut him some slack

[mellow quartz]

essentially dont give advise if you have no clue what you are talking about

[sick sentinel]

ok then follow that opinion that you ssaid and dont tell me anything

you too

[sweet summit]

they've done 26s in SL s4

idk if that is good or not

[sick sentinel]

nothing here says you are over me in knowledge in prot warrior

[dusky canopy]

💀

[loud patrol]

this says you are new

[sick sentinel]

so i prefer your toxic behavior to be directed somewhere else

[sweet summit]

a lot says they are more knowledgeable than you regarding prot warrior

[reef haven]

tracking violent outburst for the right ability to use it with is not something I should stress too much about right?

[loud patrol]

not too much

[strong forum]

uuuh

[mellow quartz]

everything you have said so far in this channel in the last 30min shows you don't really know anything about prot warrior

[sick sentinel]

i constantly fish violent outbursts for a good thunder clap

[strong forum]

i think its core

[tropic sundial]

[strong forum]

to use it primarily on SS

[sick sentinel]

with my revenge, thats why i recommended it to you

[dusky canopy]

omg.....

outbursts TC

he says

[sick sentinel]

Xander

Bro

Back to bed

[mellow quartz]

outburst TC is good with sufficient targets, context counts

what are we talking abt situationally

[brave zephyr]

[loud patrol]

imagine coming into a class discord and start saying " no ur wrong this is my way to play"

[spring holly]

@strong forum is it though really? Say TC is up but SS is on 5-6 cd are you casting revenge to try and fish for SS reset just for outburst?

[loud patrol]

reminds me of the guy 12 hours ago

[strong forum]

yes

[pine sand]

[fast knot]

Outbursted SS smacks like a motherfucker

[slim dove]

120k slam crits make me juicy

[spring holly]

this is in ST too I imagine you'd just outburst TC in aoe. But damn really? I guess I'll try and fish more.

[dusky canopy]

right or wrong you never really outburst TC unless you have no rage to spend and ss is on cd.. no ?

[strong forum]

you use outburst on TC on 5+ targets during avatar

if you have 0 rage and SS is hard on CD

you can also send it on TC regardless of target count

because hoping for devastator procs is bad

[sick sentinel]

its a feeling you get on the heat of the moment

[jagged pier]

okay im sorry i had to go run a dungeon, rend is only higher than revenge cause its hc i pulled so much i had so much rage pretty much in avatar all the time

[mellow quartz]

using outburst on SS even in high target counts is always the more 'defensive' option

[strong forum]

^

its never bad to send outburst on SS

[loud patrol]

feels good

[jagged pier]

☝️

[strong forum]

but its bad sending outburst on TC during the wrong moments

[lucid pasture]

Im going to use my outburst on nomes hair

Did you Change it yet

[strong forum]

take me out to dinner first

[lucid pasture]

Or same red

[sick sentinel]

overall number?

[lucid pasture]

?

[dusky canopy]

bro

[strong forum]

still staying with red

[dusky canopy]

dont dis the nomanater

[lucid pasture]

Based staying with red

[lucid pasture]

The necro.

[sick sentinel]

only 7mill on thunder clap?

No shot we're caring what he's doing in a fucking heroic dungeon

hmmm

[jagged pier]

we do when his SS is like 9th on his breakdown

[tender cove]

You told me the opposite the other day when i asked...

[strong forum]

?

no i didnt

read again

[sick sentinel]

I'm more talking about yours

People asking for your overall

[sweet summit]

and m0s are a better judge ?

[sick sentinel]

Yes because that's what I said

[strong forum]

on my m0s from first week

SS was 3rd

above rend for me

[jagged pier]

u 5 tank

[fluid beacon]

Exactly. That's what mine is

[strong forum]

im chad

[sick sentinel]

Cocaine is a helluva drug

[fluid beacon]

Large enough pulls that's what you'll see

[sick sentinel]

the guy will be forced to get more defensive options. as we all will for sure

[dusky canopy]

pulling everything between bosses at once is not a accurate break down tbf

[lucid pasture]

I do cocaine with xander01 every second hour of the day

Thats why he is so fried

[jagged pier]

oh no i move a point from uproar and crit damage to shockwave

and change ITF to HR

[loud patrol]

lmao

[slim dove]

no because the party will die before we do.

[tender cove]

I cant find my question but I just want to double check. If outburst procs and SS is on cd for 5ish seconds. Do I try to fish for procs or just send it on TC?

[strong forum]

you fish for it with revenges if you have the rage

you dont fish for it if you dont have rage to use revenge

[sick sentinel]

Erga

[lucid pasture]

Pov nome reached renown 25 with iskara

Talking about fishing headass

[tender cove]

okok, tyvm 😄

[strong forum]

[sweet summit]

what

[dawn marsh]

Is there a threshold to "having the rage"? Sometimes I feel like I'm using Revenge too often so I run out of rage, is there an "ideal" rage amount to stop casting Revenge?

[dusky canopy]

So nom, this is a bit technical but.. Is the protentional rage loss towards another outburst by fishing for a SS reset while outburst is active a loss or gain?

[mighty valley]

hmm why did i have a ping

[tender cove]

It keeps counting the rage for the next one, so you can't lose it.

[dusky canopy]

oh it does

word then I did not realize

[loud patrol]

prob the guy from 12 hours ago is haunting you

[mighty valley]

god

[strong forum]

you dont lose any rage from it

[mighty valley]

guy wants me to doxx myself to prove that prot warriors could like, do ksm in sl season 1

[strong forum]

if you run out of rage, that means you overspam revenge/IP without pressing SB/TC on CD

[dusky canopy]

we did ksm sl season 1

LOL

[median tulip]

Outburst isn't random; track your Seeing Red stacks and make sure you have SSlam available at 8

[loud patrol]

never did ksm in SL not cuz i couldnt but the dungeons were trash

[dawn marsh]

Thanks! Will keep that in mind.

[mighty valley]

brms acting like they're not gonna be able to time +10s this season

weird champion

[ocean prairie]

Guys but are these rotation nuances written somewhere? I don't think they're explained on wowhead

[jagged pier]

so were prots last expansion

[tender cove]

I'm aware but I dont play perfectly.

[jagged pier]

if your a beginner u should worry yourself to much with the nuances

[mighty valley]

yall mods and tcs did a good job of telling people off for stupid dooming through SL

[jagged pier]

get used to the basics first

[mighty valley]

warriors together strong

[dusky canopy]

Apes*

[mighty valley]

same thing

[sick sentinel]

Apes

[dusky canopy]

[ocean prairie]

@jagged pier true but can't these advanced tricks be written somewhere? Like a pin for example 😊

[median tulip]

The basics of Warrior are fairly simple; spend rage to generate more rage.

[sick sentinel]

No top secret not allowed

[ocean prairie]

Yeah looks like that

[dusky canopy]

if im not mistaken i believe the wowhead states to use IP to prevent rage capping

[mighty valley]

pinned message need to be succinct, prot nuances are just things that come with practice after you get the basic principles of what you're trying to do

[dusky canopy]

if you follow that rule you will naturally meet the nuances stated here

[loud patrol]

gotta breath to prevent rage capping

[mighty valley]

explaining every rage spending situation is unfeasible and would be confusing

[blazing condor]

https://gyazo.com/af01178557aadb6f82258ce7c76670bc

[sick sentinel]

You just get to the part where they start flaming you for playing wrong THEN they'll tell you.

[blazing condor]

how come this appears in valdrakken but not when i go there

[dusky canopy]

if you press it more than to "Prevent rage capping" then you will run into the problems of not having enough rage

[ocean prairie]

You wm off

[strong forum]

warmode

[blazing condor]

thats what i suspected thanks

didnt know it worked like that

[mighty valley]

ya it's put on the map so you can choose whether or not to go wm before leaving the city

[blazing condor]

yeah makes sense ty ty

[median tulip]

Protection Warrior play sits atop a feedback loop of spending rage to generate cooldown reduction. You dump rage to IP to avoid wasting it by capping rage.

[jagged pier]

yer but ppl find that loop as well as keeping SS on cd and SB up difficult

need to get used to that first

[oak condor]

So is prot warrior still gonna be meta in m+ or is anything else

[strong forum]

pwar is the most solid bet on being very strong in m+

[loud patrol]

nah its dead

[sleek echo]

yes

[oak condor]

dawg

[median tulip]

And then you get into the Unstoppable Force / Booming Voice / Thunderlord loop as well

[strong forum]

ngl, i dont like thunderlords

[mellow quartz]

this should work
https://pastebin.com/en6A7Afu

[jagged pier]

TLs bad

[strong forum]

and people kind of overvalue it

[ocean prairie]

For example in like 10 target with avatar+ravager active the best option is not to SS on cooldown (if there is little incoming damage) but to alternate Revenge and TC because you get so much passive rage regen, but whats the target threshold?

[jagged pier]

u always SS on cd

[sleek echo]

hahahaha

[jagged pier]

in avatar u press TC and SS

in aoe

thats it

[strong forum]

exact target threshold has not been calculated

is too nuanced

[jagged pier]

in 10 for sure tho

[strong forum]

in 10 very likely

[mellow quartz]

10 targets is enough to TC and revenge for a large part of it

[jagged pier]

nah i be pressing SS on cd still hate the bloodsurge nerf

[dusky canopy]

my brain is trained to SS on cd

no other way about it

[jagged pier]

if i got an outburst proc imma revenge to increae the TC damage

and sometimes there are globals to revenge

[mellow quartz]

TC and revenge spam is just pure offensive in aoe where it can be carried by bloodsurge, it sucks for defensiveness

[median tulip]

Shield Slam extends your active mitigation anyway, so never skip it

[mellow quartz]

if you are in a situation where you can afford to spam tc and revenge for damage and not dump rage to IP then you are not in danger and usually its a trash pull where your SB won't run out anyway

[craggy pilot]

is that a WQ? 😮

YOO WTF IT ISSSS

[loud patrol]

ye

[craggy pilot]

IM OFFF

[loud patrol]

turn on war mode

[craggy pilot]

oh fk is it warmode only?

[ocean prairie]

You can turn it on for like 10 min

[craggy pilot]

omg and i can get 1 more Titan Matrix as well

nice nice

[fast knot]

Gold

Must be too high ilvl

[rapid wigeon]

any good? compared to Lifeflame Ampoule

[slim dove]

also gold lol

[strong forum]

its 1ppm trinket

nothing special

[slim dove]

curse of being 382

[rapid wigeon]

ah fair

[strong forum]

apparently at 383 its a matrix again

[glad relic]

Lifeflame Ampoule any good?

[strong forum]

its meh

[median tulip]

No permanent Strength on it

[fast knot]

Fuck lol

I don't think I can squeeze another item level

[rapid wigeon]

yeh thats why im swerving it then

[blazing condor]

if we spark a shield is there any one thats better than the other?

[fast knot]

Without going full degen for a rep farm

[loud patrol]

[mellow quartz]

WQ's are also different from EU and US

what are we talking here

[loud patrol]

the ones awake

without being fiends

[mellow quartz]

its not even past midnight in the EU

[tired pivot]

thanks for the info!

[median tulip]

23:00 CET

[mellow quartz]

those were just mainly the routes I ran on beta

[jagged pier]

just be like me

get 4 matrix's this week

[loud patrol]

jesus

[torn gulch]

i had 3 one from m+ and 2 from wq

[novel temple]

What? How?

[blazing condor]

matrix just used on crafting orders to increase ilvl or?

[jagged pier]

yer on rare gear

[jagged pier]

1 more than me from m0s

[craggy pilot]

i got 1 last week, and 3 this week

[blazing condor]

how do you get the better matrixes or is it just random. Cus mine are like 330-340 lol

[strong forum]

they are drops

from higher content

[torn gulch]

and i used one on a weapon and paid 20k for it then 30 min later i get a 385 one hander with haste/vers

[jagged pier]

☝️

[strong forum]

m0s can drop the epic ones

[tired pivot]

it will do for first few days, I will tweak them as I find out how dangerous mobs are

[torn gulch]

got duped

[blazing condor]

aight cheers

[strong forum]

the matrix IV

[jagged pier]

20k 👀

[strong forum]

i still need to do my m0 swoop

but kinda lazy

[jagged pier]

brah just fine someone that does it for free

then tip them

so they always gunna make stuff for u for like no gold

[torn gulch]

it is what it is it's ok i have enough gold

[loud patrol]

i want a personal BS

[sick sentinel]

20k ain't shi stop being poor

[craggy pilot]

now i just need Neck WQ and im good

[torn gulch]

20k is literally nothing

[glad relic]

Which combination of these 4 trinkets would you use?

[mortal brook]

the two that sim best

[strong forum]

blaze +

[sick sentinel]

Not the fake scale that's for sure

[strong forum]

uuuh idk what that first one is

[mortal brook]

the group armor one

monka

[strong forum]

then its lifelamp + blazebinder

[jagged pier]

[past lark]

What would you say is better:

1. 389 haste/vers shield with armor spikes
2. 392 crit/mas shield

I would sim it but can’t because it’s a recraft situation

[strong forum]

on shield you always pick ilvl

[mortal brook]

armor spikes arent implemented in sims anyways

[strong forum]

same with weapon

[jagged pier]

u can just not put spikes on it tho

[past lark]

Nah diff is too high. I barely get to 392

[pallid quiver]

@warm plinth you've cursed me to just constantly randomly compliment people

Which isn't a bad curse to have, but it's out of character for my shitposting nature

[tropic sundial]

392 haste vers no embellish

[past lark]

If i add missive its 389

[undone verge]

how good for dps is the cobalt ring?

[jagged pier]

u want it

[pallid quiver]

It's

It's a decent percentage of damage

It also lets you do the funny thing of heroic throwing for 40k+

[past lark]

Thanks, noted. 392 it is then

[stark jewel]

hi all, im assuming this mustve been answered, but on the tooltip for ring enchants, the three rarities give +64 haste

is that a bug or

whats up with it

[fresh belfry]

does anyone have perchance a source about what rank 3 enchants actually do? I even went through the simc git and couldnt find anything

tooltips are bugged revan

[stark jewel]

ah okay so each rarity does give more stat right

[jagged pier]

the higher the rank the most stats

[stark jewel]

got it ty

[fresh belfry]

jakey with the undeniable truths

[strong forum]

1 * - 63
2 * - 75
3 * - 87

BRO

[fresh belfry]

nice formatting m8

[strong forum]

same with cloak and wrist enchant

75->100->125

[fresh belfry]

ok now give me chest and weapon enchants

[strong forum]

tooltips are just bugged the fuck out

[fresh belfry]

couldnt find anything on those

i know waking stats is 150

rank 3

[pallid quiver]

never trust blizz tooltips, even when they're right

[strong forum]

i think 100-125-150 for chest

[fresh belfry]

what about the other chest enchants tho

i know that sophic writ rank 3 is better than sophic devotion rank 2

[strong forum]

what

[fresh belfry]

yep

[pallid quiver]

but both are outta my budget

But yeah, it simmed higher when I was poking around, too

[fresh belfry]

so, simc does have the data, but where does simc get the data from?

[fresh belfry]

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/blob/e411eeaf76a9322518d719da1c637b2153c2ea7f/engine/dbc/generated/permanent_enchant.inc this table is where I ran into a dead end

[strong forum]

what are you simming

in my sims deva 2 sims better than writ 3

[pallid quiver]

I was checking aoe last I checked

It wasn't by very much difference, iirc. I just chalked it up to something funny happened

[fresh belfry]

at this point im not even sure simc is pulling the correct data

[sick sentinel]

Hey I was in here yesterday tlaking about BS as a profession and I'm thinking of dropping it. Anyone have any suggestions for professions that suit prot warriors?

[fresh belfry]

alchemy - engineering suits everyone

[pallid quiver]

engineering gives you actual benefit for being an engineer, what with tinker slots and all

I'm personally an alchemist

[jagged pier]

any u enjoy and want to do profs dont matter

[pallid quiver]

Because I like the fantasy idea of guy with no magic uses performance enhancing drugs to match up to those damn spellslingers

[pallid quiver]

That's what I thought was supposed to be how it worked out. I have no idea what happened, tbh. I wish I kept a picture if that result because I bet when I get home, 3 will sim better than 2 and I'll lose faith in my sanity some more

[sick sentinel]

Good point

[pallid quiver]

Oh, also, don't be an alchemist

Research RNG is suffering

Er alchemist

[mellow quartz]

Alchemy is for longer flasks and saving money doing keys all day 🙂

[craggy pilot]

just get this lol

how much do you save by making your own Flasks though? 🤔

considering dropping my mining for Alchemy

spent 400k on Flasks alone last exnapsion 😦

[mellow quartz]

Depends, also multicraft helps. No one knows how the endgame economy will look like.

[craggy pilot]

yea seems currently crafting Phials yourself is a loss of money, unless they are 3star

but currently they cost 270g on AH, or 800g to craft (for 2) so its not rly worth i guess

but last expansion i had an avg price of 800g for Phials across entire expansion

[novel temple]

Honestly I wish we could do all professions

And swap classes on a single toon

But that one’s definitely a far off dream

[undone verge]

damnit, I gotta farm that laggy shit again then

[craggy pilot]

huh?

[undone verge]

like you can swap classes, I think some other games have that feature, you just relearn a new class

[craggy pilot]

so you just lvl 1 guy to max? sounds kinda weirdge

[undone verge]

idk if any allow you to freely swap classes like we swap talents

[mellow quartz]

You get flasks from experiments and people do that to level alchemy. So yeah they are being sold cheap now especially since no one uses flasks atm.

[craggy pilot]

ohh ok, can you get them from other stuff as well?

or is it only experiments?

and i guess the tank phials will be cheaper

since not a lot of people buy them

the eye of the storm one

[loud hull]

how is crit/haste for prot?

[craggy pilot]

good

[mellow quartz]

You can just craft them normally yea

[craggy pilot]

ah ok thx

[loud hull]

Its good?

[undone verge]

yes

[mellow quartz]

You rather want haste/crit than crit/haste but ilvl > all

[loud coral]

Have yall used your spark of ingenuity

[undone verge]

if my crafting order gets fufilled, then yes

[loud coral]

What did you go with?

Shield?

[undone verge]

im making the neck

[craggy pilot]

the proc neck?

[undone verge]

the lariet

[next patio]

ye its huge

[undone verge]

lariet, lariat idk

[craggy pilot]

how is it "huge" doesnt the Vers wrist give about the same stats? plus it gives Str 🤔

and Shield gives block + str

and is it even craftable yet?

[loud coral]

Sheild is

[craggy pilot]

ah it is i guess, dont know what this means though 😄

[fading tide]

Is there an add on to show what adds and which route to take for mythic plus?

[mortal brook]

primal storms arent in yet

[craggy pilot]

MDT

[mortal brook]

mythic dungeon tools

[craggy pilot]

you have to import routes for it though

[craggy pilot]

so the Lariat is not obtainable yet?

[loud coral]

Boy oh boy am I confused

[craggy pilot]

its really nice you can start Craft Orders currently without anyone being able to fill them because its raid locked 🤣

and it doesnt even show in the UI

[loud hull]

Lariat is unlocked with primal storms which will be available wedensday

[undone verge]

the only craftable shield I see gives verse on proc

[craggy pilot]

it just lets you spend that 20g on posting

[craggy pilot]

but Shield gives Str, Neck does not

is what i mean

plus the neck is not obtainable until wednesday

and u have to wait for someone to farm the recipe

[fading tide]

Where you get the routes from?

[craggy pilot]

they will probably require 100k+ pr craft or some shit

[craggy pilot]

raider.io, youtube videos, wago.io

[loud coral]

So shield would be well worth?

[craggy pilot]

bunch of places

[craggy pilot]

shield is well worth, if you can get it in nice ilvl

ensures u have high block from the start

[tropic sundial]

I have the item for that equip effect, is it worth it ?

[craggy pilot]

i think im gonna craft this one as well

[craggy pilot]

no clue tbh, but its worth for me since im Pandaren ❤️

also it doesnt take up an Embellish slot, so its free equip ❤️

[tropic sundial]

Yeah I'm panda too

[craggy pilot]

pog bro panda represent

[mellow quartz]

Engi wrists with a tinker slot are also good.

[craggy pilot]

tell me which tinker socket is good, and ill consider

so far i heard all tinker sockets are shit

[tropic sundial]

Combat raise always useful, invis for skips, I guess

[craggy pilot]

also this one seems kinda neat

[craggy pilot]

we can probably get invis potions 🤷‍♂️

[mellow quartz]

I have brez in mine

[undone verge]

idk the 450 haste from the lariat seems nice

[tropic sundial]

Saves money? XD also I like that engi stuff is just one big substat

[craggy pilot]

tru, the ress sounds kinda nice actually, but the Wrist is 200perma vers 🤔

[craggy pilot]

its only active less than half the time 🤔 Wrist is 200 vers perma

[craggy pilot]

ah brez is tinker slot, sick tbh 😄

maybe ill look into Tinker wrists

is Wrist the only slot you can get with Tinker Sockets?

[tropic sundial]

Wrist for anyone. Head requires being an engi

So engi get 2 tinkers

[undone verge]

unless the numbers have changed lariat still is number 1, but the embellishments aren't super important so don't sweat them

[craggy pilot]

"the numbers have changed" where do you see this?

not all the Embellishments are simmable currently, so its all just a tossup

[undone verge]

its in the pins

[craggy pilot]

i know its what everyone is saying, but theres no sims on it

which is kinda weird

but i guess ill just wait with my 2nd Spark, and sit with my shield

lets see what people figure out once they craft all their Lariat etc

[undone verge]

you can sim the lariat

[craggy pilot]

ye but not the others, so how do you know they are worse? 😄

[undone verge]

you can sim anything in the game files

what embellishments can you not sim?

[craggy pilot]

also lets say your crafted item is 5 ilvl higher, that 5 ilvl on a belt gives more Str, rather than on neck it gives no str

str > haste

[onyx needle]

Crit mastery

[undone verge]

I can sim that

at any ilevel

[mellow quartz]

You can also easily get a higher ilvl belt to drop from m+

[craggy pilot]

could say the same with neck 🤔

its all random what you get from Vault or Drops

[mellow quartz]

Cant get the proc though

Which is why you want that neck

[undone verge]

and can be crafted with haste verse

[craggy pilot]

ill just wait and see tbh

if price of lariat will be 100k+ and other stuff is craftable by myself, then ill make what i have myself

Lariat feels a little bit bait tbh

[neon elk]

If anything, its one of least baits compared to other "baits"

[undone verge]

just work order it

[craggy pilot]

then you get the shit ilvl 😄

the high ilvl will be insanely hard to craft

and i dont rly think a 382 lariat is worth tbh

[undone verge]

cant you just recraft it at a higher ilevel when you need then? Cause thats better than spending 50k on any crafted item imo unless you're going for HoF

[craggy pilot]

how will you then make sure your recraft actually increases the ilvl?

people with the skill might ask for money, thats completely unknown still

[mellow quartz]

By finding a crafter and doing a personal order

You can then set minimum quality

[craggy pilot]

and they can say "i make it for 100k"

[mellow quartz]

Sure

[craggy pilot]

we dont know how "rare" lariat recipe will be either

[mellow quartz]

Free market

[craggy pilot]

maybe no one will have it for 1 week

[mellow quartz]

🤷‍♂️

[craggy pilot]

depends also on the server pop ofc

[mellow quartz]

You can do whatever you want

[craggy pilot]

if i can create a 392 plate Embellishment, and work-orders can only get me a 386 🤷

[undone verge]

price will settle out, cause if the price is too high, not too many people will go for it and the price will be lowered, and those guilds who need the higher ilevel necks to min max probably alr have dedicated in guild crafters

[mellow quartz]

I would only pay a lot for max ilvl pieces

Anything below that is just not worth it imo.

[undone verge]

agreed

[craggy pilot]

we can also drop Concentrated Primal Infusion from +16 which can craft up to 418
and the only way to get 418 is through +18 vault 🤔
so having crafted items on Str slots seem kinda nice tbh

[torn gulch]

yep my guild has dedicated guild crafters

we put a lot of work and gold in having everything covered

[craggy pilot]

does that mean you potentially have 11 max stacked blacksmithers? since the hyperspecialization is quite big this expansion, so 1 blacksmither who is good at fx Wrist, might not be good at Belts 🤔

or atleast not for the first couple of weeks

[undone verge]

depends on if you need all of those items

[vestal torrent]

anyone know which buff on primal ritual shell is best for prot?

M+ focus

[torn gulch]

not to that degree but we have multi for each profession

[undone verge]

usually its just target the popular ones

[vestal torrent]

don't need the shield, trying to decide between mastery and fire dmg

[craggy pilot]

but how do you know which are the "popular ones" already? main things you can "rule out" are the tier slots maybe, but other than that we dont really know too much info on Embellishments still

[torn gulch]

neck seems to be one of the 2

for a lot of classes

we do not know anything about the second one

[craggy pilot]

inb4 neck gets nerfed 😄 or people figure out that high Str items are better than the proc 🤷‍♂️

[undone verge]

I dont loose the strength on my shield if I dont go with the crafted one

[hoary jackal]

question for this team. Do we like Shield of the Hearth or should we just get a primal molten defender with armor spikes embellishment?

[torn gulch]

we put the food embelishment /s

[craggy pilot]

no but Crafted one is higher ilvl than dropped ones, until you do +20 vault

[torn gulch]

bis

we're gonna have 2 sparks next week and a third in another 2 weeks

weapon, shield, neck

covered

[undone verge]

its still such a minor increase when if you wanted to min max that hard, the higher ilevel neck would still be better

[craggy pilot]

how so? the embellishments were said to be less than 1%, so its up to how much Str you drop for getting the neck

but tbh id rather have the shield now for the block, and then ill see on wednesday what i make

block is omega

[mellow quartz]

You can upgrade m+ gear with valor to 415 so 3 ilvl below 418. That is not a large difference on a few pieces.

[lyric bloom]

Been super unlucky with necks still 340 while every slot is 370+

[undone verge]

lol same

[lyric bloom]

Been hoping they changed the JC from being proff locked

[dawn marsh]

Do the majority of prot wars go primal molten shell? Remember reading something about embellishments not being removeable from hearth, but since they're only 1% not sure what to do with my current spark.

[craggy pilot]

but this is only after a certain m+ rating no?

[mellow quartz]

Sure

[craggy pilot]

so probably not for the first couple of weeks unless you giga push

[undone verge]

but we're talking about minmaxing at a level where people gigapush week 1 and 2

[craggy pilot]

true

[sturdy sable]

^ was just going to say that Coco

[craggy pilot]

but were talking taking the neck for minmaxing at week 1 and 2 as well 🤔

[mellow quartz]

Neck would be your long term piece

[craggy pilot]

but i dont know what lvl you guys do m+ at

[sturdy sable]

Everyone single one of us are top 1%

[solid minnow]

Can confirm

[craggy pilot]

why take long term piece w1 then? when you can get the short term piece, and get the long term piece on your 5th Spark, and have a better W1/W2

[craggy pilot]

every dog is the best dog ❤️

same with warriors, were all the best 🙂

[sturdy sable]

Or just do what i did and say f it and make a sword lmao

[craggy pilot]

😄

[sturdy sable]

I liked the idea of consistently upgrading my own forged wep throughout the expansion

[undone verge]

ill prob make a sword cause this game refuses to give me a 1 hander

[craggy pilot]

thinking ill make Bracer or belt, mainly because im armorsmith myself though

[craggy pilot]

yea same, hence why i went shield smithing insta, and made 392 Shield

feels so much easier than to be spamming /2 for 24 hours to get a neck

[sturdy sable]

Yeah i went all in on sword smithing lol

[craggy pilot]

big

you on US i guess?

[dusky canopy]

Shield gamer

[craggy pilot]

🛡️

[dusky canopy]

[undone verge]

large plate pieces ftw

[outer thorn]

speaking of professions, anyone knows if Breath of Neltharion tinker scales with your stats or if it shares cooldown with combat potions?

[craggy pilot]

if i could respec, i would chose Fine Armor any day of the week, for Belts / Wrists

[sturdy sable]

Yeah

[craggy pilot]

ah ok 🙂 need to find a weaponsmith so i can trade weapon for shield 😄

[craggy pilot]

it probably only scales with Quality

hmm it says same number for all Qualities 🤔

[acoustic shard]

thoughts me using a primal and a spark to make a 405 wep

wondering if worth or not

[craggy pilot]

but tbh i heard its a channel, so i dont rly think its worth 🤔

lol you farmed a Primal

madman

[dusky canopy]

how would you even farm a primal

i didnt think it was accessable

[sick sentinel]

im 367 going into m+ but also i will be doing another world tour before hand

[craggy pilot]

Renown to 25 gives you 1

[dusky canopy]

ohhhh

[craggy pilot]

so hunts all day + night

[dusky canopy]

damn that is wild

[acoustic shard]

did hunts for like 12 hours

[dusky canopy]

not for me

[acoustic shard]

but STILL

[craggy pilot]

and then, even finding the Crafter for it might take more than 12 hours 😄

[torn gulch]

someone did all 4

so 4 primals

4 405 items

[acoustic shard]

i have crafter

for my 1h

[craggy pilot]

well you just have 1 spark, so cant make 4

[acoustic shard]

but idk if its worth

[neon fossil]

Anyone know what this is for?

[torn gulch]

that is true

[torn gulch]

a mount

[acoustic shard]

I know we will get another spark on tuesday

so I will be able to craft neck

[torn gulch]

yes we wil

[toxic pewter]

Can use 1000 of those to get lavasnail mount from worldbreakers

[craggy pilot]

also on wednesday we can get them naturally through M+

[sturdy sable]

Sparks? Iirc we gott wait till week 5 for them to start dropping randomly

[oak echo]

Sparks are time gated for now yes

Won't get them from random m+ yet

[craggy pilot]

primal infusion i meant

[oak echo]

Ahh

[sturdy sable]

Oh yeah

16+s

For the mythic ilvl one

[neon fossil]

I thought the magmammoth mount was rep from Seb and Wrathion?

[craggy pilot]

isnt it +10?

[acoustic shard]

my thoughts are I do my 1h and then neck on tuesday

[toxic pewter]

oops

i meant snail ya

[acoustic shard]

so I can upgrade my wep to mythic il

[oak echo]

The 1000 magmotes is a snail

[acoustic shard]

when i recraft

[toxic pewter]

thx I edited my message

[craggy pilot]

+10 for Primal Infusion
+16 for Concentraded Primal Infusion

[neon fossil]

Ahh the firesnail? Nice!

[sturdy sable]

I think 10s drop heroic ilvl ? We"ll know on reset lol

[acoustic shard]

nope

20's do

[oak echo]

One of the 2. The other snail is from glory of the whatever hero

[acoustic shard]

20's end dungeon loot is um either 402 or 405

[sturdy sable]

We are talking about the crafting reagents @acoustic shard

[craggy pilot]

+10 for Primal Infusion
+16 for Concentraded Primal Infusion

is how i understood it

from wowhead

[acoustic shard]

oh

I thought you were talking about the end dungeon loot lol

[outer thorn]

ok so this is super weird but changing the quality ingame with insight doesnt change the damage on the tooltip, equipping or unequipping my weapon does change the tooltip however. It doesnt change by equipping or unequipping any other gear though so I guess it scales with your weapon damage?

[craggy pilot]

yea i saw the same, it might be scaled from AP or some shit, idk honestly sry bro

[sturdy sable]

Yeah 10s for heroic ilvl 16s for mythic

[torn gulch]

between +11-+15 for first tier and 16+ for second tier

[craggy pilot]

so something like this for M+ ilvl

[solemn magnet]

Why prio belt/wrists for BSing?

[craggy pilot]

its not prio

you can prio whatever

shield, wep, neck, belt, bracers, boots, rings

whatever

its same same

[solemn magnet]

So anything not a tier slot?

[craggy pilot]

tier slot might be a bad idea, unless youre feeling very lucky

[solemn magnet]

I went 30 > 30 >30 all the way into shield and doing something other than chest or helm seems kinda like a waste, but idk

[craggy pilot]

yea i did the same, is kinda sad 😦

tbh shoot your points into Hammer Control after filling out one in Armorsmithing though

makes it a lot easier to craft high items

[solemn magnet]

Im sitting on 30 points idk where to go. Picked Speciality Smelting at 50 but didn't put any points in. The regret.

[craggy pilot]

take Hammer Control bro

just 30 points in Hammer Control, then back to Armor

[solemn magnet]

When I get to 75 I'ma slam hammer control most likely.

[craggy pilot]

you can craft Master's Hammer to 100

expensive tho

[novel temple]

Does quality even matter? Cause it all looks the same stuff no matter what the quality

[craggy pilot]

quality of what?

[novel temple]

On gear and enchants

[craggy pilot]

quality = more stats

[vital oak]

quality = ilvl

[craggy pilot]

enchants are currently bugged, so they show the same Value on AH, but when you use them its different

[coarse flower]

Is that the only effect that doesn’t count to embellishments?

[craggy pilot]

there are also some Trinkets

that can extend ur phial, or shorten ur Combat Potion CD

[coarse flower]

Also why wouldn’t you want an embellishment? You can only have 2 and you can only craft twos pieces atm

[craggy pilot]

or Trinkets that can proc stats based on ur sockets

[craggy pilot]

dont think anyone ever said this?

[coarse flower]

Nah I’m just asking based on your craft

[craggy pilot]

there are no good embellishments for Shields, and i wanted the Food buff since im Pandaren

[potent palm]

Do we have an updated list for spell reflects in DF?

[craggy pilot]

will get my 2 Embellish eventually anyway

[craggy pilot]

[outer thorn]

It feels mobs are allergic to casting almost anything on tank this expansion

[potent palm]

I am playing dps, though the dps spec channels are literal ragnarok

[main coral]

Embellishments add difficulty to the craft, making it harder/potentially more expensive to craft at 5*. That being said, any focused crafter should be able to make the gear you need for not too expensive.

[vital oak]

Will be cheaper on Tuesday when we get another bump of skill points as well.

[main coral]

We also get the primal infusion that further raises difficulty and can craft to ilevel 405, but it shouldn’t bee too tricky until the following one at M16

[sudden palm]

Frosted Armor kit (armor + str) or fierce armor kit (stamina + str)?

[sick sentinel]

How do you guys feel about Unstable Frostfire belt?

[acoustic tinsel]

Other than the neck, what is the best embelishment for someone only doing m+

[undone verge]

the pants are probably good, but idk if thats true

[slim dove]

probably helm or armor spikes

[sick sentinel]

Is the neck elemental lariat?

[acoustic tinsel]

Yes

[sick sentinel]

What do you think about the belt?

[acoustic tinsel]

Frostfire belt?

[sick sentinel]

Yes

[acoustic tinsel]

Seems like a lot less damage than armor spikes or the helmet

Or even frostfire legs

[craggy pilot]

wdym? im pretty sure they also drop from M+ 🤔

the droprate?

this is something else

100% for all players? so 20man raid you get 20 Concentrated Primal Infusion?

yes this is something else, as i said
Concentraded Primal Infusion drop from +16 and up keys
Primal Infusion drops from +11-15

[hoary hazel]

how many primal chaos do you get per key?

10?

[sand pebble]

1 and they drop from heroic

its the same as blood of sargeras in legion

[hoary hazel]

how was it in beta

[sand pebble]

can get them from world quests and rares also

[hoary hazel]

i dont rem

you defo did not get 1 per run

i rem that

[sand pebble]

i have 130 already

[hoary hazel]

yea and then you need 100 more to even craft the piece you want

[craggy pilot]

oh wait hold on, i get what you mean now

[sand pebble]

i need 20 more qand 10 of the concetrated things

we will know after reset

[craggy pilot]

doesnt mean much to me, as i usually push keys way higher than i raid

my guild usually takes 2months+ to kill Heroic

[hoary hazel]

bruh

irl friend guild or

[craggy pilot]

nah, just been here since forever

but now my main M+ teammate is saying he only wants to tank this Season

[sand pebble]

spend all day before raid farming 18+ keys for drops and primal infusion, get a 408 lariet neck crafted using r1 mats

[craggy pilot]

so now im solo M+ pushing as well 🤷‍♂️

wait its even worse than i thought 😄

we full clear normal before we even start Heroic, and most people in my guild dont gear outside of raid

usually i end up with full M+ gear, so i dont even have a use for any raid drops 😄

[hoary hazel]

if you dont do mythic

raiding gear is cinda shit

tbh

m+ is way easier to get anyhow

[craggy pilot]

everything except tank trinkets for some reason

[hoary hazel]

might not be the case this season

[craggy pilot]

tank trinkets are notorious to be from Raid

kinda sad 😦

[hoary hazel]

ilvl should not matter to much

no?

on the tank trinkets

[pallid quiver]

depends on what they do and how they scale

[craggy pilot]

no, but usually the HC Tank trinkets from Raid are way better than M+ trinkets

[pallid quiver]

OWS was nuts because it was extremely over-budget

[hoary hazel]

usualy raid trinkets are better than dungeons ones yea

[sand pebble]

what are our raid trinkets

[craggy pilot]

i think ill go something like ruby whelp shell + whatever else i find

[warm dune]

wich best combinisation of trinket i should use and ty in advance

[craggy pilot]

what ilvl are they?

i would take Shark just cus it looks cool ❤️

[warm dune]

ritual 379

shark 372 treemounth 372

dragon game 372

[crude glen]

what to spend spark / primal infusion on tl;dr

[craggy pilot]

spend it on whatever you like

is the tldr 😄

[mortal brook]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148897941883584512/1051429238701568050/image.png

[crude glen]

I would like whatever the best possible item is

[craggy pilot]

but a few thoughts: Tier piece slots are maybe a bad idea, otherwise its very small diference in how good they are

[craggy pilot]

depends if you want stats, defensive, dmg or?

shield is quite big for defensive, neck is simming high currently, otherwise armor pieces that are not Tier could be a worthy investment

or sword

basically it comes down with what you feel you might not get from M+

its all random / tossup

also the neck cannot be crafted yet, since the Recipe only drops after wednesday

[warm plinth]

https://tenor.com/wZP5.gif

[weary python]

Is the play to craft molten defender at 282 right now with missive?

[craggy pilot]

392 sounds nice

i crated shield 392 at least

[sand pebble]

you can make whatever you want atm, you can get better mats and things that upgrades its ilvl and just recraft it whenever

[weary python]

I thought hearth could only go to 392, I thought molten defender was one of the items that used titan matrix 4 instead of spark

[loud hull]

crafted shield too

[sand pebble]

primal infusion

[craggy pilot]

Primal Molten Defender takes 1 Spark, and goes to 392

[weary python]

Recrafting from a low initial investment is terrible though. I'm going through that on my JC who makes rings. People come to me with a 2* signet and want it to be 5* w/ embellish.

[vital oak]

why not the hearth shield?

[craggy pilot]

it takes up 1 of your Embellish slots, which you might want for something else
but if you feel the "Proc on taking dmg" is good, then go for it

[vital oak]

Didn't know it took an embellish slot

[sand pebble]

any epic crafted item CAN goto 395-405 with primal infusion or 408-418 with concetrated primal infusion

[vital oak]

I see it now, overlooked it before

[slim dove]

it also has mastery on it

:ech:

[craggy pilot]

i know, but was responding to him thinking it didnt take Spark, and only went to 382 with Titan Matrix

[sand pebble]

blue gear uses titan matrix

[weary python]

Ya I was mixing it up with the Draconium defender.

[stark pelican]

What does the embellish (2) mean? Can you only have 2 total embellished items or is it unique and one? It’s contradictory as unique always meant one of those items in the past.

[edgy grail]

2 total

[outer thorn]

Does D.U.C.K.O.Y. AoE taunt like the Cardboard Assasin?

[craggy pilot]

Its Unique (2), meaning you can only equip 2 Embellish items at any given time, similar to Double Legendary in SL

[blissful crypt]

Sorry if its a dumb question, do we have a list of talent setups for every boss in the new raid ?

[craggy pilot]

dont think you change it a lot, you can check or wowhead for raid talents

[blissful crypt]

Cheers

[outer thorn]

Ive gone on a mad mans quest to make Menace work in m+, 9/10 times so far it just makes things worse but Im thinking its a skill issue, sometimes its really handy to have an extra stop and/or knock

[sand pebble]

if it makes it worse 9/10 times, why are you adament at using it?

[cold trench]

hey guys, sorry if this has been asked before but do we have a tier list of the trinkets currently available ? Keeping close to 10 in my bags atm and would like to clean thing up a bit

[craggy pilot]

there should be one in the Gear section of wowhead

dont think it includes WQ trinkets though

[outer thorn]

because the effect varies on your positioning, if i get better at positioning the talent will get better

[sand pebble]

doesnt incluser raid trinkets either

[cold trench]

@craggy pilot yeah that's the thing, I'd love a list including everyhting available now but it seems hard to find

[outer thorn]

for example those whirly boys at the end of academy itd be a massive dps increase to be able to stop them so my melee can move in, that is if you dont position poorly and knock them all over the room.

[craggy pilot]

you can sim them maybe

[sand pebble]

are you killing all of them within 15 secs because a 1.5 min cd feels worthless

[vital oak]

One thing I've noticed is that my primal turtle shell set on fire is proccing more than 1 per min. dunno if that's in the sim.

[outer thorn]

other utility uses Im seeing is able to knock casters that refuse to move when you dont have the option to LoS like first area of nokhud

[weary python]

Nobody on my server can craft 5* Molten defender. Shields is like an untapped market.

[mellow quartz]

You have a log of this?

[craggy pilot]

its like this with alot of crafts, you have to be online and in the town at the exact moment the other guy is

i have Shieldcrafting max, and never made a shield for anyone

[cold trench]

@craggy pilot I guess I will sim some more indeed. Currently Raidbot is suggesting Blazing essence and Primal ritual shell. Unfortunately, it doens't tell me which proc is better 😦

[vital oak]

If someone will kindly provide instructions on making said log I will post one.

[craggy pilot]

i think its just an issue of customer and crafter having difficulty finding each-other

[mellow quartz]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/how-to-use-warcraft-logs-6341#combat-logging-in-game

[vital oak]

Ty, let me run a quick M0 and I'll post it

[cold trench]

Just saw that there is an option to change the proc of the shell on Raidbot actually I'm retarded

[slender blade]

you arent, trying to sim and learn puts you in the top few % of the playerbase anyways

[mellow quartz]

Trinket sims are very sus right now as well so take them with a grain of salt.

[cold trench]

what a playerbase that is then

[slender blade]

its not bad a lot of people dont want to be the best they can be, a lot of people just play for fun

[cold trench]

fire proc sim a tad lower than the mastery proc

[mellow quartz]

🤔

[trim siren]

Would it be a mistake to use my primal infusion and spark for the Infurious Helmet of Vengeance ahead of raid Tuesday? Would it be better to use the primal infusion on the necklace when the recipe is secured?

[mellow quartz]

You would probably feel bad if you got a helmet tier piece

I would go neck myself

[outer thorn]

this can be read in two ways

[mellow quartz]

Indeed

[slim dove]

Can we add more slots to the neck?

(elemental lariat)

[mellow quartz]

3 I believe

[cold trench]

using the JC item

Tiered Medallion Setting

[slim dove]

Yeah somebody lead me to believe you couldn't with the JC item

[warm plinth]

@potent anvil @shut summit hello wonderful friends. I hope you had a fantastic weekend and are looking forward to some raid and M+ on Tuesday 😊

[potent anvil]

[cold trench]

The only neck that can't receive the item and that I'm aware of is the Wrathion one, and that's a known bug likely fixed soon by blizz

[slim dove]

guess im goin balls deep on neck then

[cold trench]

this can be read in two ways aswell

[slim dove]

[shut summit]

[fading tide]

when u guys cast SB do u use both charges or just one at a tiem

[mellow quartz]

They stack. You can use the whenever you want.

As long as you have the rage.

Max duration is 3x SB duration plus 15s if you have bolster talented.

[craggy pilot]

you cant get the neck yet, so you can still use ur spark for something before raid, and get the neck after you get your 2nd Spark this wednesday in campaign

just so you dont go spamming /2 LF Lariat 🙂

[slim dove]

i...yes thats my plan

i know i cant get neck yet

[weary python]

If crafting molten defender, go Haste/ Vers ya?

[sick sentinel]

So is there a consensus what folks are using their first spark for?

[craggy pilot]

🤔 hmm

[craggy pilot]

different takes all around, you can do pretty much anything and it wont affect you all too much

[wary heath]

Shield!

[craggy pilot]

main thing is to not fuck yourself with Tier slot RNG

[sick sentinel]

Hearth or molten defender?

[wary heath]

I have 392 molten defender with armor spikes

[sick sentinel]

That’s awesome. Still new to this Armor spikes is the modifier right?

Sorry I’m very new to not just warriors but wow

[wary heath]

Armor spikes is the embellish . Just grab from auction house

[sick sentinel]

Oh ok

[craggy pilot]

i went Molten with the Food buff, since i know i want Embellish on other slots

[sick sentinel]

Is it 2 embellish total on all your Armor?

[wary heath]

I'll grab lariat next Tuesday as my 2nd

[craggy pilot]

yes

[wary heath]

2 total for now

[sick sentinel]

I love the look of molten defender

[craggy pilot]

gl

sounds like there will be alot of people wanting the neck

[wary heath]

You can take embellish out, so no need to wait on sparks

[craggy pilot]

hope the drop rate for the plan is obtainable

[sick sentinel]

How do you guarantee 392?

[wary heath]

Just look in trade

Lots of people have molten defender t5

Use t3 mats. T3 missive and t3 armor spikes

[sick sentinel]

Oh it’s just about in the profession system upgrading?

[wary heath]

Use a personal work order from someone you find via trade

That says they can make tier 5

[sick sentinel]

Oh I see. So go buy t3 mats and get someone with t5

Cool thanks

And you can take out Armor spikes anytime you want right?

[sand plover]

are we gonna be using this?

[slim dove]

yes.

[craggy pilot]

you can use this or any other Embellishment, but currently the take is that this is gonna edge out the others

probably a difference of like <0.5% dps though

the amount of people talking up the neck is kinda fun tho 😄

[wary heath]

To take out the embellishment . My understanding is you'd have to do a tier 5 recraft again

[craggy pilot]

sounds about right

[wary heath]

We are weeks away from swapping embellishments . Considering a 3rd spark is 3 weeks away

Also. Just choose a good one from the start

Spikes is just below lariat probably

[craggy pilot]

all of them are good

is the thing

[sick sentinel]

Yea cool that’s good to know

[craggy pilot]

their difference will probably be the equivalant of 1 socket

[sick sentinel]

Molten defender seems good and I love the look

[craggy pilot]

so like 0.2% dps

[wary heath]

It probably doesn't matter too much haha

[sick sentinel]

Yea fair

[cold trench]

JC crafting orders are literally 60% Lariat atm

[wary heath]

Molten defender is good slot to craft simply because shield slot is more rare and big upgrade...

[sick sentinel]

When you recraft later can you improve ilvl or just missives etc?

[wary heath]

Change everything

Ilvl. Missive. Embellishment

[sick sentinel]

Oh cool

[mellow quartz]

Cause you can’t get it yet so orders stay up.

[sick sentinel]

Is 392 highest possible right now?

[craggy pilot]

lol would love to see the crafting order view for JC 😄

[cold trench]

of course, but I wonder why people don't botehr looking up the source

[craggy pilot]

its really dumb that they didnt add a way to see where items come from in the craft order view

but its only gonna be an issue for 1-2 more weeks

[modern brook]

because people will join a class discord/check wowhead

say "ok lariat is my bis :^)"

and then order it thinking they're the next method gamer

[craggy pilot]

haha

[sand plover]

well like rn im using spikes

[craggy pilot]

and everywhere is just "yes lariat bis"

[sand plover]

but everyone is legit saying lariat is bis

[craggy pilot]

even though it is like 0.2% or so

[mellow quartz]

You can just put up the order and wait.

[sand plover]

so im like alright dawg this maths aint mathin

[sick sentinel]

So to get 392 shield my 15 primal molten alloy need to be 3 star right?

[craggy pilot]

i made 392 with rank 2 mats, but thats just cus im giga BS 😄

[fluid shard]

You can get inspired and proc rank 5

[craggy pilot]

lol Siege at night is weird 😄

5 people here

[rugged root]

i got my best shield!

[craggy pilot]

huge ❤️

[sick sentinel]

And primal chaos doesn’t matter no rank to that. Then Armor spikes for embellishment.

[rugged root]

i found out about crafted gear literally earlier today

[wary heath]

Buy tier 3 Mats of whatever the crafting order says. You supply the tier 3 missive of your choice. And tier 3 spikes

[rugged root]

i had no idea

[cold trench]

just like any other professions tbh mostly not available gear or heavy renown gated recipes. What I find funny is the range of the commissions offered for a lariat craft, 50k to ... 500g

[rugged root]

and as i understand it next week we wana craft a bis neck?

[wary heath]

Will also be your chaos and your spark

[craggy pilot]

lol 😄

[cold trench]

sure

[craggy pilot]

you can craft neck, wrist, belt, 1h, ring

or boots

[rugged root]

but which one should i pick?

[sick sentinel]

Any suggestions for missives? Sorry for all the questions I’m just trying to avoid regrets

[craggy pilot]

look at them and decide

[vital oak]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3GQDKh2dCwZNqVbz/

[rugged root]

i hear neck is the top choice right?

[craggy pilot]

maybe

[cold trench]

I assume the prices of the clasps and the diamonds are going to increase greatly when the recipe hits, which makes me a happy man

[vital oak]

Looks like it's details that's saying it procced more than expected, the log looks fine.

[mellow quartz]

If you absolute don’t need something right away (which you don’t) then just wait some days/weeks to put an order up for stuff and it will all be 100x cheaper 🙂

[wary heath]

Here's mine this is what I went with. Opinion will vary

[fossil sparrow]

dont say that, how am I to afford my sub next week like that

[craggy pilot]

if you get Lariat recipe early, you can make mad bucks just filling work orders with low ilvl Lariat 🤣

[cold trench]

recipe is boe aswell

[craggy pilot]

oh

it will be millions on AH lol

[cold trench]

even if you aren't jc then you are going to make bank if you loot it

[craggy pilot]

now i cant figure if i wanna M+ spam or Storm spam on Wednesday 🤣

[wary heath]

Gonna go into m+ cause the storm gear sucks doesn't it?

It's m0 gear

[craggy pilot]

but if the recipe sells for 2mil

but its a huge if

[steel juniper]

What is Lariat?

[mellow quartz]

All will depend on how common it is

[cold trench]

boe epic recipe won't be too common I reckon

[steel juniper]

Oh the ammy

[craggy pilot]

exactly 😄

[wary heath]

A unique embellishment

Add 3 sockets

Neck becomes a good slot

[craggy pilot]

you can get this on any neck tho

[wary heath]

True but lariat isn't on all necks

[craggy pilot]

you can say this about any Embellishment 😄

[sick sentinel]

why would we NOT craft weapon

like, it doesn't have ambellishment

[sand pebble]

still used sparks

sparks are gated

[sick sentinel]

once you have it you can upgrade it though right

[warm plinth]

yes

[sick sentinel]

or maybe there is some better weapon in raid / m+ pool

[sand pebble]

current bug doesnt allow embilshments to be added on recraft - it hasd to have been there first

[sick sentinel]

way im looking at it, only thing as important to sucess than shield, is weapon