protection

[warm dune]

And when exactly i use ignore pain?

[warm plinth]

To not overcap rage

[cinder nova]

Assuming you're using Anger Management (you should), spending rage reduces a lot of our CDs both offensive and defensive.

In essence, overcapping rage is actually wasting rage because it could be rage spent - and rage spent is rage that gives us CDR.

The more rage you spend, the more damage you can deal, the more mitigation CDs you can throw in each fight, making you more stable and generally safer depending on... a bit more variables, but that's how it works in a vacuum.

[stable sapphire]

Hey guys what are the best slots to use our Sparks of Ingenuity as the game progresses as prot warrior??

[coarse flower]

i just went down a rabithole of reading about mastery on google; is there somewhere recent that says that critblock caps at 85%?

cause im only finding stuff from back in 2011 lol

[strong forum]

all physical mitigation caps at 85%

[coarse flower]

ohh okok

[strong forum]

block is just armor

[cinder nova]

You went down a rabbit hole filled with bones and dust, mate. Mastery isn't so bad a stat that we're giving up ilvl to avoid it, but it's still pretty meh.

[coarse flower]

yeah was just curious, thanks for the info

[strong forum]

its rng mitigation, thats the cringe part about it

mastery that is

[cinder nova]

Mastery was better for shield tanks when we could CTC cap with it.

[coarse flower]

nothing is more cringe than parry chance on a bdk... that was not fun

[strong forum]

if you get enough of it, its reliable, but stacking it is worse than getting other stats

[warm dune]

@S ty so much now it make sense another thing is there a good Wa where i can track my mitigation cd i use Nawoh Wa its kinda small and i lose track

[strong forum]

getting crit is practically the same as mastery

but you get more dmg out of it

and the mitigation is 100% reduction, not 85%

[dawn canyon]

@strong forum only 3 more days till we never do elites again

[strong forum]

kek

[warm dune]

I got the versa trinkwt out of a rare i think its kinda beast of trinket :p

[dawn canyon]

5 >379 and i cant use 4 of em smadge

[strong forum]

only thing i got was 382 chest from ancient protector

so thats pog

the one that was plate + agi

but it got fixed 1 day later so we gucci

[dawn canyon]

im hoping i get a ring from enkine

then im 383 and done

[tender cove]

That's just insane. I admire the dedication but still insane 😄

[dawn canyon]

its just horrible luck really

the dedication is just flying around for an hour

[tropic sundial]

Daily super rare tour is way mire chill and enjoyable for me than key farming hell.

[craggy pilot]

do we know the PPM of the Elemental Lariat Embellishment neck? 🤔

[tropic sundial]

I haven't even done cobalt either and I'm 379

[dawn canyon]

keys was alright

hated cobalt more tbh

[coarse flower]

yeah honestly, im actually enjoying the rare farming and dragonflying stuff

first time i've enjoyed wow open-world content

probably because there's ilvl incentive behind it as well i guess

[earnest canyon]

Hi everyone
Got a quick question about violent outburst
In SL it was prioritized to spend a proc almost always on SS, is it still the case?
even while avatar is up with unstoppable force?

[slim dove]

20 more keys :_:

im actually about to just buy marks and burn 200k gold to avoid this shit

[sturdy sable]

Yeah we do it for the rage gain not the damage done

But even then the damage outweighs the tclap unless like 8+ targets iirc (I'm probably wrong on target count)

[strong forum]

they nerfed rage gen from outburst, but it now interacts with talents for shield slam

so a TC outburst is only +10 rage

when SS outburst is 30 baseline, +6 with impenetrable wall, +4 with HR

so the difference rage wise is larger than in SL

until 5 targets, SS will be more beneficial to send outburst on

[coarse flower]

whats HR?

[strong forum]

heavy repercussions

+2 rage on SS and it increases SB duration +1sec for each SS

[coarse flower]

is the idea that, because we're running AM that we want to generate as much rage as we can so we can spend to reduce avatar CD?

is there more synergy to dumping rage ontop of that? or is it mostly AM?

[strong forum]

its not just that

outburst, indomitable healing and AM

more rage = more rage

[coarse flower]

yeah ok pretty hard to argue against spending anything but SS during violent outburst

[raven kettle]

which primal ritual shell buff do we use?

[strong forum]

fire sims alot higher on ST

[raven kettle]

thats what i figured

[strong forum]

on aoe mastery will win ofc

[safe shale]

How do you know what buff you're getting?

[cerulean wyvern]

After the tank nerfs, does it make prot warrior even better than the other tanks since we can go battle stance for more trivial content?

[cerulean tusk]

More or less, for that content

[cerulean wyvern]

I’d imagine that during tank swaps you can go battle stance for increased dps, and then swap back to defensive stance when actively tanking?

[coarse flower]

youll eventually need to stance dance for some tankbusters (20% DR is kinda juiced, but most of the time youre bstance gaming)

honestly even then, you probably have enough defensive buttons to not stance dance; you'd use it for some cringe magic tankbusters in high keys

[cerulean wyvern]

Yeah, so prot warrior is even better now compared to the other tanks than before…since it’s not a complete 10% DR nerf.

[cobalt seal]

Ppala still exists

Bdk still exists

Bear still exists

[coarse flower]

prot pala takes too much iq for me to play..

too many keybinds bro

[jagged pier]

its stand in conc

u win

[strong forum]

if they had made that aura change pwar recieved months ago, together with this one
aka reduce the aura from 15->0
instead of 15->5->0
people wouldnt have complained
the bad part isnt the removal of that aura
the bad part is the reasoning
the reason is the thing thats truly bad about it
not the fact that it happened

[cerulean tusk]

They should nerf def stance to a 5% dmg red only

[coarse flower]

leave warrior alone

[edgy grail]

D stance should be 30% dmg red

So we never have to use it

[cerulean wyvern]

Well I’m glad they didn’t nerf prot warrior damage.

[coarse flower]

they kinda did by removing some spell reflects on some bosses

or changing it to only stop the damage taken, it doesnt do damage back to bosses

[strong forum]

All Tanks have lost their Damage Reduction Aura
Back in 9.1 and 9.1.5 Blizzard introduced a 10% flat damage reduction aura to all tanks.
Pwar later in 9.2 received another +5% Buff to that aura of a total of 15%.

During DF Beta that Aura alongside Vanguard has had been nerfed already from 15% DR Aura and 100% Vanguard Str conversion down to 5% DR Aura and 70% Vanguard Strength conversion and other tanks' aura have been left untouched.

With the Season Launch Blizzard is removing those SL-DR Auras because they think Tanks are too tanky right now.
Pwar had only 5% left baseline they couldn't have nerfed that Aura more since we already lost 10% earlier. To compensate for the other 5% leftover they also nerfed D-Stance along with it. Rightfully so.

This is not a targeted indirect buff to Pwar.

[sand saddle]

So do we have an idea of BIS slot to craft? 🙂

[strong forum]

2nd pin

[cerulean tusk]

Why dat pin

[cerulean wyvern]

Thanks for the pin. Helps to clarify.

[dusky notch]

is the pinned talents from 29/11 still the go to? 😊

[cerulean tusk]

They nerfed def stance by 5% be angwy.

[strong forum]

all the pins should be up to date

[loud hull]

how is mastery for prots?

[strong forum]

worst stat offensively and defensively

not bad, just least favourable

[loud hull]

i crafted a shield, but forgot about stats and how he wants to "reroll" it till i hit haste/vers etc

[strong forum]

you can force stats with an optional reagent

[cerulean tusk]

Go to workorder, have it reforged

[craggy pilot]

do we have a possibility to sim the Vers wrist vs the Proc Elemental Lariat somehow? 🤔

[loud hull]

its 392 currently i dont want it 382 etc

[cerulean tusk]

just keep the 392, untill you farm out correct stats in m+/raid

you will replace it soon anyhow

[strong forum]

not all embellishments are implemented in simc yet

[oak echo]

didn't see if this got a response but assuming you were asking about the shell trinket, you choose it at a shrine in waking shores and it stays up i believe until you change it yourself. unsure about unequipping or logging off

if you choose nothing you just get the mastery proc

[craggy pilot]

i crafted shield currently, but i guess we get 1 more spark Wednesday that i can use on something else

[cerulean wyvern]

Do any of the other tanks have an indefinite 15% DR like prot warriors sitting in defensive stance?

[slim dove]

no

[fathom goblet]

no

[strong forum]

no

[hoary vector]

Its 20% is it not?

[oak echo]

it's 20% until reset

[strong forum]

itll be 15% starting next reset

[fathom goblet]

`they nerfed

[hoary vector]

Ahh, already nerfed out self healing now Defence stance 😄

Guess thye didn't like us not needing a healer

[strong forum]

they nerfed everything

[fathom goblet]

defensive instance also counts for magic damage ?

[strong forum]

if you count DF start

[coarse flower]

I know its not an embellishment, but its gonna cost a spark - instead of opting for an embellishment craft alot of the top raiders on my server have opted for the engi helm (with cone tinker); hard to say since its not on raidbots sims but short term would the cone tinker be better for raid? (theyre like top 15 world but its weird since literally no one else is doing it)

[oak echo]

yes it's all damage

[fathom goblet]

15% extra dr is alot

[cerulean wyvern]

So are prot warriors sitting in an even better position for prog?

[strong forum]

if you count d-stance

we always had that same advantage over others

and its a huge point for contention why pwar is so strong

[strong forum]

idk what that cone tinker does tbf

but i myself used the spark on shield with armor spikes

[pulsar sedge]

A little off topic here.. But.. At what point does ItF beat out HR? At higher haste levels or just bigger pulls? Sorry if this has been answered before ;D

[strong forum]

just to see

[pulsar sedge]

Or is HR just kinda king atm ?

[strong forum]

if you can guarantee 5 stacks of ITF, its more dmg than HR, defensively HR is always better

[pulsar sedge]

Thought so, wanted the experts to confirm ;D

[strong forum]

because you dont need to spend 2 talent points to get full SB uptime

if you play ITF you need to swap a dmg talent to bolster to get close to 100% SB

if you play HR you get 100% SB with ease

[tame jasper]

whats the best Embellishment for us, when crafting shield?

[pulsar sedge]

Thanks nom!

[strong forum]

i used armor spikes just to test it

[hoary vector]

What should we be using First spark on?

Im saving mine for Amulet currently

[modern brook]

Can't u just like manage sb effective uptime ans get damage without issu?

[pulsar sedge]

I spent mine on the helm

[fathom goblet]

Im not sure if Im doing anythhing wront but I dont have SB 100% UP

I can have 3 charges

but the forth charge takes a while

[cobalt seal]

4th charge?

[fathom goblet]

yeah

[tame jasper]

I can't decide between shield with Primal Infusion or Ingi Bracers for Tinker-Slot

[strong forum]

consecutive*

[fathom goblet]

yep

[strong forum]

you could play around it, but if you stay in combat for a while youll find yourself with downtime

especially vs bosses

[modern brook]

[cerulean tusk]

What is the estimate for 100% uptime atm, 40-50% haste as per usual?

[fathom goblet]

@strong forum is that normal ?

[modern brook]

100% uptime with recommended talents is expected

[strong forum]

for just SB + Enduring defenses its 100% haste

[modern brook]

If you're struggling to git thay you're either in the wrong talents or not shield slaming enough

[cobalt seal]

Log and come back

As always

Thats the solution

To find the issues

[strong forum]

and rn im too lazy to math out how much is required with champions bulwark / bolster

[main anchor]

what we dou with funk

[strong forum]

what is

[cerulean tusk]

With Heavy Rep ofc

[strong forum]

with HR you have 100% SB at all times no matter how much haste

cuz of champions bulwark + ED

[fathom goblet]

@strong forum having only 3 consecutive SB

[strong forum]

thats normal ye

[fathom goblet]

@strong forum so how can i have 100% SB uptime ?

[strong forum]

you need 3 out of 4 block talents

in whichever combination

[oak echo]

you're talking about shield block charges like you're not using shield charge on cd

[fathom goblet]

its the talent tree on PINS ?

[strong forum]

yes

[oak echo]

and if that's the case that's your problem

[strong forum]

both m+ talent builds have 100% SB uptime

you have 2 options

[jagged pier]

well could also no be pressing SS enough to keep SB up

[strong forum]

ITF+Bolster

or HR+Nails

[cobalt seal]

Thats why i said

[strong forum]

well if you dont play optimally you will lose SB uptime

[cobalt seal]

Logs

[strong forum]

but thats your issue, not the builds

[jagged pier]

well yer but like 10% of ppl in here log

[cerulean tusk]

Time to build 0 haste, full mastery and crit

[cobalt seal]

Its better than shooting darts blind

Trying to find the issue

[blazing condor]

super rares are once a day ?

[cobalt seal]

Yes

[strong forum]

si

[blazing condor]

any WA/addon for where they at or we go raw

[modern brook]

There's a rare tracker you can wago, i think nom uses it

I'm an honest (too lazy to find a way for my own use) gamer so idk it off hand sorry but it does exiat

[tame jasper]

I use: https://wago.io/mFKkWPAHP/17

[blazing condor]

thank

[sand saddle]

Then its a matter of searching for group until one pops up?

[blazing condor]

yeah im a WA/addon minimalist

[blazing condor]

usually are groups to be found otherwise people will flock

[modern brook]

Yeah I just group finder the name of the rare and there's usually a waiting group

Maybe less so deep into the week but

[edgy grail]

There is a bunch I doing then yesterday

[crystal canopy]

Random question but does anyone know how to show raid frames when in a party ?

[edgy grail]

You can go to any group and they go in order basically

[tropic sundial]

The hardest part is being accepted in a group before their rare is actually dead

[cerulean tusk]

edit mode, rightclick partyframe, show as raidframe

[tropic sundial]

I swear sometime I apply 15sec after a party is listed and by the time I'm accepted 40sec later it's dead

[cobalt seal]

People dont wait

[edgy grail]

Well most groups wait at the location for 10 minutes at a time

So they waited plenty 😂

[wicked stream]

@strong forum what Phial is best for raid?

[tropic sundial]

I just wish people didn't need to manually accept for those listing

[ocean finch]

Anyone have any good routes for S1?

[blazing condor]

is MDT even up to date with mob counters

[jagged pier]

press w

[edgy grail]

😂 the season aint even start yet

[ocean finch]

Im aware, but they havent changed any mob count what we have seen from beta?

So if it was any beta routes that you could import

[tropic sundial]

Tactyks has some good videos for s1 dungeons already I think

[ocean finch]

Thank you

[strong forum]

Static empowerment if it's not a movement intensive fight

For movement heavy idk yet, haven't looked too much into it

Glacial fury is solid

[lyric elm]

yea you gotta camp it

[blazing condor]

this has been answered a million times already but i dont pay attention - do we put our sparks on anything specific or just go with whatever

[indigo knot]

Delete em

[blazing condor]

thx

[indigo knot]

Elitist mind control currency

[jagged pier]

I thought better you, thought you would have checked the pins

[blazing condor]

i did

im fried in head and cant find it

[modern brook]

Ww get infinite sparks on liken4 weeks

So don't feel too bas just sending something

[jagged pier]

oh pin gone smh, these oranges and blues

[blazing condor]

gaslit by stormforged

[jagged pier]

shield not a bad shout

[strong forum]

Didn't have a pin regard sparks specifically

The pin is about embellishments

[jagged pier]

yer but it helped explained the system

ill i personally would recommend shield but no embellishments

and its likely u will want neck and something

but the shield ones are kinda weak

[blazing condor]

ill have to read up on everything all these concepts got me messed up

[fair stump]

whats our prio? ilvl over all but then do we want haste/vers?

[jagged pier]

its in the pins but yes

[tropic sundial]

[jagged pier]

or haste crit for damage

[sand saddle]

so shield is good but we can only wear 2 pieces with embellishments? Shield embellishments are weak. so on week 6 we will have shield/neck(with embellish) + (something else with embellish)?

[olive steeple]

Not arguing, just curious. Where did you see that shield embellishments are weak?

[sand saddle]

Jakey said he would recommend shield but no embellishment.

[olive steeple]

Ah I see

Ty

[jagged pier]

the vers proc is whatever and from what @strong forum said the spikes dont do much ither

[sand saddle]

Im just asking if theres a limit to the amount of crafted items we can wear or embellish

[jagged pier]

embellish i believe

[olive steeple]

You can only where two embilishments yeah?

[jagged pier]

only 2 items with embilishments yer

[severe hatch]

You can have as many crafted items in general as you want

[sand saddle]

I see. So basically shield is good because prot loves big stat shield. But we just waiting for the theory gods to tell us which embellishes are the best after they have all been tested/simmed

[edgy grail]

You can have all your gear be crafted

But yea embellishments are limited to 2

[cinder nova]

How's the bleed hat proc now that it's live?

Used to be absolutely off the chain

[wide fiber]

Is there a specific shield or weapon we want from m+ come Tuesday?

[sand saddle]

Theres a hast vers shield in m+. cant remember its name

[uncut notch]

Spaff itttt, youll be replacing whatever in a week anyway, get a 390 shield and move on

[lyric geode]

High ilvl>>>>> any stat

[cinder nova]

Neltharus hammer

[jagged pier]

not in m+

[uncut notch]

Not in rotation sadge

heartbroken

[slim dove]

lmao happy its not in rotation

[uncut notch]

Gotta wait 6 months to enjoy it ;_;

[cinder nova]

Lowkey same.

I hated farming phial

[slim dove]

fuck weapons i have to farm

[lyric geode]

I dont understand. Will m+ gear will be the same on Temple of the jade serpent?

[slim dove]

let me just be happy seeing ilvl bumps and crit/haste gear

[lyric geode]

or they will change it?

[uncut notch]

I dislike the season mix for s1

I wanna play DF dungies ffs

S2+ couldnt give a fuck

[lyric geode]

Bring back titanforged.

[slim dove]

go away.

[cinder nova]

Ban him

[sand saddle]

Bring back covenants (dont shoot)

[lyric geode]

I like it

[jagged pier]

we have it now with the rares

[severe hatch]

I thought the same until I played Brackenhide and HoI

[lyric geode]

I mean, we discuss this before. Doing reruns from previous patches on raids, its good.

[cinder nova]

Bets on the cap for the rares?

[lyric geode]

It isnt abnormal.

[cinder nova]

No way it scales indefinitely.

[lyric geode]

It is organic and it should happen

[olive steeple]

What is the proc rate of elemental lariat?

[severe hatch]

Are people getting higher than 385 from rares?

Thought that was a hard cap

[cinder nova]

TF is actual dogpiss.

[slim dove]

and im saying its not fun and it being "organic" isn't a good reason for it to exist.

[sand saddle]

Imagine rare farming for all your loot until next expansion.. . . .

[warm violet]

Sorry but what is the bleed helm i keep reading about

[slim dove]

pvp helm.

[warm violet]

Thx

[slim dove]

3.5 ppm

[slim dove]

2 ppm

[lyric geode]

I dont bother with 385 gear. I know that on wenseday, it will be the first replaced. And further, I dont want to get burnt out. So... My advice. Dont bother. You wont go for the RWF. So, what is the point?

[olive steeple]

Ty

[cinder nova]

Tearing aggro from your cotank

[slim dove]

im having fun flying around and just playing the game

[cinder nova]

:^)

[slim dove]

also to flex on my m+ group cuz they did 1 tour and logged off

[lyric geode]

True, I can understand on achievements.

Like asmongold said. All that will remain are, achievements and mounts. Nothing more

[slim dove]

why would i care what that bald fuck says

[lyric geode]

There is some wisdom in his words though.

[slim dove]

ok ill go work a few OT shifts and rmt all the achievments and mounts

[olive steeple]

Does ignore pain proc the healing dart

[slim dove]

[cinder nova]

Dart is poopy why go for it

[lyric geode]

I am also, an achievement whore, but on different game and for different reason.

[rich wigeon]

any1 knows what to craft with primal infussion?

[uncut notch]

I like both but imagine Brack will scale badly

[cinder nova]

Brack is gonna be a fuckfest

[merry umbra]

neck/rings/wep/shield

in any order 😄

[rich wigeon]

oh

[slim dove]

save for lariat next week imo.

[rich wigeon]

so the first1 what should it be ?

[slim dove]

or shield idk

just dont use on a slot thats tier.

[merry umbra]

if you still havent used the first one

[rich wigeon]

lariat?

[slim dove]

infusion, not spark.

[merry umbra]

i'd go for shield and then neck (elemental lariat)

[slim dove]

elemental lariat

[jagged pier]

infusion u need spark for it only upgrades epic items

im prbs using mine on neck

[merry umbra]

neck will be craftable with the reset, cuz the recipe is from the primal storm events

[lyric geode]

So, to conclude another topic. Titanforged was great. It made you rerun raids from previous patches which was cool.

[rich wigeon]

so neck > weapon?

[merry umbra]

once you get that neck theres no changing it

you can upgrade it and put 3 sockets on it

[lyric geode]

What neck?

[tropic sundial]

No need for TF for that. We have Fated now

[cobalt seal]

[merry umbra]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=193001/elemental-lariat

[lyric geode]

We wont have on S2.

And probably will have fated at the end of the expansion. Which by all means it is the dead patch.

As most of people call it.

[potent gulch]

boys

[lyric geode]

Furthermore, you have to wait 3 weeks until you reloot the boss you want.

[potent gulch]

spark shield or helmet? ;[

[merry umbra]

shield/neck

dont do tier slots

[cobalt seal]

@lyric geode why do you want to play the same trinket

All expansion

[potent gulch]

neck not available

[cobalt seal]

[lyric geode]

You play OWS all the expansion, and you ask me why?

[merry umbra]

i meant do shield now and neck on wednesday 😄

[lyric geode]

Sometimes , the feeling of the trinket is quite nice and quite good.

[cobalt seal]

Sorry vdh couldnt use ows

[lyric geode]

I played the Elisandre trinket back in Legion for an entire expansion. From Nighthold->Argus

[cobalt seal]

Thats called blizzard being pepegas

[lyric geode]

Well, and we dont equip 2 handed weapons like bdk do, and pick jailer's weapon. But that is life.

[cobalt seal]

What

This isnt dps warrior channels

[brave tapir]

yeah cro get lost

[lyric geode]

I know.

[brave tapir]

😡

[lyric geode]

I am comparing ptank, to dk tank

Bdk could use jailer's weapon. We couldnt.

Is that fair? No...

[cobalt seal]

Life isnt fair

[severe hatch]

How do the alchemy trinkets look for us? Seems like a decent stat stick

[lyric geode]

But, I guess there will be a time that bdk will be a shit tier and we will laugh at their misery.

[craggy pilot]

why ring tbh? 🤔

[lyric geode]

It is a trap

It doesnt give strength.

[merry umbra]

free socket custom stats

[lyric geode]

I prefer shield

[craggy pilot]

isnt it best to get str on main items with high ilvl Plate?

[lyric geode]

Exactly

That is why ring is a trap

like it was in SL

[craggy pilot]

so like wep/shield/wrist/belt/boots 🤔

[merry umbra]

i never said you should craft it first

😄

[lyric geode]

shield is a solid option

because of block

but afterwards, you do what you like.

[tropic sundial]

Got shield, will go neck next week and then probably engi bracers for fat haste

[lyric geode]

Futhermore, my question. How much ilvl can the crafted gear reach?

[merry umbra]

if you still havent used the first spark, i'd get the neck on wednesday and wait for first vault, then craft smth

[merry umbra]

418

[lyric geode]

That is quite high

[merry umbra]

yeah but you need like 10 16s and 200 primal chaos for each

[rich wigeon]

how can we use 3 sockets on neck ?

[lyric geode]

And I guess quite expensive as well

[earnest nymph]

Use the settings

[lyric geode]

No money, no tendies I guess.

[merry umbra]

the mats arent expensive

[earnest nymph]

But use the lower quality settings first

Cheaper

[merry umbra]

its the primal chaos and the primal infusion that needs to be farmed

and ofc the spark thats the time-gating

[lyric geode]

ah ok

[rich wigeon]

so we buy the added socket on ah ?

[merry umbra]

mats wont go for more than 5-10k i believe

if you want 3 sockets you buy 3 max quality settings

if u want 2 sockets u buy 2 2nd quality settings

you get the idea 😄

[lyric geode]

uh...

Brokie cant choose.

But mostly it is my fault.

I am too lavish with my gold

Spend right and there.

Dont have money for other stuff.

[rich wigeon]

found it thnx !!

[jagged pier]

If your that worried u can just craft like r1 then recraft later

[cobalt seal]

Unique good items should be rotated

With patches

Or otherwise they arent really unique

Since everyone has something

[lyric geode]

To whom was that answer?

I am confused

@cobalt seal people are quite bipolar to be fair. They dont want rng on the gear, but they also like the rng on the gear. Somethehell. People were furious with the legendary system in Legion. So rng. But people were crying from joy when they got dropped their bis legendary gear.

[cobalt seal]

Well

Thats normal

[lyric geode]

This is what I miss from wow. People would say, it is not fair etc. Game doesnt have to be fair in order to be fun.

[cobalt seal]

You getting happy you got lucky

Is normal

[strong forum]

I miss dopamine rushes from getting loot

[lyric geode]

The minmaxers are going to hate the statement. But that is the truth

[strong forum]

That's what I miss about TFing

[lyric geode]

EXACTLY

[strong forum]

Actual excitement

M+ without dopamine loot is just m+

[cobalt seal]

Controlled tf would fix m+

[strong forum]

[cobalt seal]

[slim zinc]

Killing Geddon every week and starting to shake of joy when he dropped his binding

[lyric geode]

But no.... People would be furious that the loot is so rng

[tropic sundial]

Might as well play gacha games if you want that kind of dopamine hits

[slim zinc]

Loot doesn't hit the same

[strong forum]

Gacha is different

The whole point of gacha is just rng collecting

Controlled TF of up to +15 ilvl, capping at mythic raid ilvl of current season

That would solve so many issues

[lyric geode]

maybe 20s

with the current system

[oblique drift]

Does anyone know how stacking damage reduction works in wow, or if not, does anyone know where I would look into that?

[lyric geode]

It would seem logical

Maybe hunt for the more leech buff.

[cinder nova]

Multiplicatively.

[strong forum]

Damage reductions are all multiplicative

[oblique drift]

Okay, thanks!

[strong forum]

You can reduce a hit to 0 with just % mitigation

[sonic jungle]

Is it worth crafting anything?

[strong forum]

You can get close, but without absorbs or flat reductions you can't get there

[lyric geode]

Maybe a socket? I dont know. Something so miniscule but so noteworthy to be worth doing 20 and up.

[blazing condor]

any fast way to uldaman from dragon isles

[lyric geode]

That is all I AM asking from this game.

But no.

[oblique drift]

What's the difference between a flat reduction and normal reduction, in that case?

[lyric geode]

RNG and shit. People cant have fun anymore.

Somethehell

[craggy pilot]

there should be a portal in cities

[strong forum]

Flat reduction like "reduce dmg taken by 1000"

[craggy pilot]

in Org / SW

[oblique drift]

Ahh, right!

[tropic sundial]

Portal to twilight highlands

[oblique drift]

Okay, I think I understand it! Thank you!

[craggy pilot]

Twilight Highlands i think it was ye 🤔

[lyric geode]

You call me mad? I wouldnt put Cataclysm compared to Legion in a million years.

Legion definetely better expansion

Better story

Suramar

An actually baddy

[craggy pilot]

what?

[lyric geode]

Not some kind of jacked old man trying to destroy the world.

[craggy pilot]

oh i responded to wrong person sry 😄

was responding to @blazing condor

[blazing condor]

🙂

[icy shale]

whirlwind and slam

worth at any time?

[blazing condor]

no

[sonic jungle]

Should i use the spark of ingenuety and craft something, or just save it?

[lyric geode]

This isnt fury channel

[icy shale]

do we just not put them on action bar

[blazing condor]

we dont

[lyric geode]

This isnt fury channel

[craggy pilot]

dont put them on, same as Rend

[sick sentinel]

can i enter DF at 58

[lyric geode]

No idea. If that means escaping from Shadowlands. I am up by all means. I support you

[sick sentinel]

in desperate need of a gathering toon, so im levling up high mountain

[fading tide]

Weak aura is just an easier way to see your CDs correct?

[lyric geode]

Weakaura for Ignore pain cap and Shield Block.

[cobalt seal]

Yes

[earnest nymph]

No

[merry umbra]

put Rend for raid tho

[craggy pilot]

what?

[earnest nymph]

You only have to buy the max quality setting to add the 3rd socket

[lyric geode]

?

[craggy pilot]

this is #protection bro, not #arms

[earnest nymph]

You can buy one low quality, one medium, and one max quality setting to get three sockets

[craggy pilot]

lol thats huge info actually 😄 makes a lot of sense even 🤣

[merry umbra]

fo real?

[earnest nymph]

Yarp

[spring holly]

wrong discord I know but this is the only wow discord I'm in. Can anyone tell me why some enchants seem to be more expensive with no difference in quality? Like writ of leech is 75 leech at 1 star and 75 leech at 3 star yet the 3 star version is WAY more expensive

[lyric geode]

Wrong tooltip

3 star gives 125 leech

[craggy pilot]

it is bugged, they will have more stats when you use them

[spring holly]

ah ok that'll do it, thanks all!

[craggy pilot]

AH quality of enchants is bugged, showing lowest quality

[bitter stag]

anyone has a macro to cast Demoralizing Shout inside the rotation?

or GC is a limit?

[lyric geode]

GC is limit

[spring holly]

other question that actually does pertain to prot, waking stats vs sustained str, waking stats seems like it's actually marginally more dmg since it gives more str? Or is that another tooltip thing

[lyric geode]

waking stats?

[spring holly]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=389410/waking-stats vs https://www.wowhead.com/spell=389419/sustained-strength

[lyric geode]

I would choose the strength stamina one

for protection

[ionic fern]

Wrooong answer.

[jagged pier]

u take waking

100% of the time

[lyric geode]

But for 30 strength?

[ionic fern]

Over some stamina?

Yes.

[jagged pier]

☝️

[lyric geode]

210 stamina?

Weird

[jagged pier]

thats like 100 hp

[lyric geode]

I guess.

[jagged pier]

strength is also armour which is also strength which is also then armour

[spring holly]

@lyric geode I think the reasoning is that stam is almost never something that holds you back, whereas more str helps. Minor in the end

[jagged pier]

no just stam is not worse it u have enough from gear

like theres a reason we never use stam flasks

since like vanilla

[lyric geode]

it is more HPS given you have more maximun hp

but anyway.

[lyric geode]

I used it because they were cheap.

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/stare-long-stare-king-of-boys-gif-25902963

[lyric geode]

Finally a different gif other than bugs bunny no.

Quite impressed by your improvements

[jagged pier]

there was no context to use no there

[neon elk]

Is it me or are gems actualy quite expensive ?

[lyric geode]

You could have said no to that

[zealous anchor]

whats the stat prio for prot now?

[jagged pier]

everything is expensive its week 2

[jagged pier]

[dusk moth]

ilvl is the prio

[lyric geode]

Ilvl>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> haste>>> critical>>versa/mastery.

[jagged pier]

free please stop spreading the wrong information

its getting annoying

[slim dove]

[lyric geode]

ilvl > haste > crit = vers > mastery
How is that different?

[neon elk]

And i assume that wrathion neck is still not socketable right ?

[jagged pier]

thats the second time in 2 days u have got the stat prio wrong

[earnest nymph]

Read what you put and then read your second message lol

You wrote two different things

[jagged pier]

they are not the same

[lyric geode]

Like I said, I am a hardworking person, doing research. I maybe be a noob. BUT I am trying to push further

[noble lynx]

is this guy still leaking his iq

[jagged pier]

right okay thats fine but if as you say yourself are a noob u should not be answering questions

[lyric geode]

But even a noob doesnt have the right to express its opinion? Maybe next time, I will just copy paste the pins just for it to be certain.

[earnest nymph]

You didn’t express an opinion

[noble lynx]

when people seek help they dont seek opinion, they seek the correct answer

[earnest nymph]

You stated incorrect information

[jagged pier]

i mean we literally went through a whole discussion with u on stats yesterday or the other day, so i dont know how thats your opinion

[blazing condor]

we have a " " for a reaosn

[lyric geode]

Ahh, BUT given context everything is subjective.

[earnest nymph]

…no?

[noble lynx]

everything is relative, look at me, im smart

[lyric geode]

Yes, like einstein theory.

[earnest nymph]

Alright let’s just stop

This is going nowhere fast

[noble lynx]

it was coming from nowhere anways

[neon gulch]

are there any recommended items to craft with spark this week?

[torn gulch]

i would hold off the spark for now

or if you want to craft prob shield or weapon

[mellow quartz]

neck when someone gets the recipe

and when you can find someone to craft it for you

[torn gulch]

that's one of them yes

hopefull recipe is not like 1% drop

[neon gulch]

any particular reason for waiting? is it to wait for more info?

[torn gulch]

it is to wait for a raid clear m+ farm and maybe a vault and then craft what you need

but it's not necesary

[deft mortar]

where them prot nerfs

[molten rivet]

Coming back to prot warrior is confusing-- am I crazy, or did they re-introduce party/raid-wide shieldwall? Which Talent (and where) is doing that?

[jagged pier]

they arent doing that

[torn gulch]

not anymore

[deft mortar]

think that was a shadowlansd legendary or smth anyway Tuft

[molten rivet]

DARN!

[torn gulch]

we had it until it was removed

[cobalt seal]

what if I got here. And said something like mast>ilvl>vers>crit>haste?

[torn gulch]

because it was too strong

[cobalt seal]

it would still be my opinion

[molten rivet]

My god... and for 5 minutes there I felt useful!

[torn gulch]

it wasa broken

[neon gulch]

you are still extremely useful 🙂

[jagged pier]

cro leave it

[cobalt seal]

when you beat nome in dps

[lyric geode]

What? I never said that

[cobalt seal]

Neither did I said you said

[earnest nymph]

Please just leave it alone

[lyric geode]

I state very clear ilvl>haste>critical/versa>mastery

Well maybe the >>>>>>>>>>> will be an overstatement

[jagged pier]

u didnt

but okay

[lyric geode]

I mean yes, but look

[novel temple]

I feel like the stat priority in the guides should differentiate between an offensive and defensive stat priority though

[lyric geode]

Critical being better than versa is a fact.

so can we all agree and move on?

[mighty valley]

i thought everything was relative

[cobalt seal]

I guess nome is wrong

[lyric geode]

I mean everything was relative. But the earth isnt flat.

Anyway enough of these philosophical questions

[mighty valley]

i might be an earth shape noob, but does that mean i can't share my opinion that the earth is flat

[slim dove]

[mighty valley]

ok ok i'm done

[slim dove]

you stated something wrong

you got corrected

deal with it

[lyric geode]

There is no point of arguing that.

[slim dove]

cool

[lyric geode]

We can agree on that

[slim dove]

drop it

[lyric geode]

I dropped it

[lyric geode]

Tell this BS.

[cobalt seal]

I'm already gone

[slim dove]

drop it

[noble lynx]

i think its like a vendor buy ?

i heard its coming with the catchup world quest gear or what

[torn gulch]

nope it's a chest drop

from primal storms

chest drop

[noble lynx]

oh

LOL

lootbox?

[torn gulch]

it's a the end of the event

[near pewter]

What Phial are you guys using in raids?

[loud patrol]

well idk since i havent been in a raid

unless there was an early open of vault that idk about

[dusky silo]

Can someone give me a crash course in Warrior tanking?

Like just some basics i should know that might not stand on wowhead

[mighty valley]

keep up shield block all the time, press your rage generating buttons whenever you can, fill the rest with Revenge

press IP whenever your rage is high, try to never let yourself hit the rage cap

use your damage CDs whenever they're up

[loud patrol]

use battle stance

[dusky silo]

👀

why?

[loud patrol]

nah fr use it theres no reason to use defensive stance until like high ccontent or specific mechanics

[mighty valley]

we're very sturdy right now and generally don't need to be in def stance, so use battle stance by default and learn when you actually need to switch

[near pewter]

Any idea why icyveins is recommening glacial fury vial for raid if it only last for 15s on single target?

[jagged pier]

it refreshes

[near pewter]

It didnt on the target dummy

[jagged pier]

🤷 used it on beta fine

havent seen any changes on it

[loud patrol]

try it on actual mobs target dummy stuff is weird right now

theres no BV bug if a target dummy hits you but the bug still exist

[deft mortar]

kekw Dstance used to be something to sit in in BFA

except when u are bursting

then back to dstance

good ole

wait this is protection channel mb thought this was pvp

[loud patrol]

lol

[near pewter]

So the tool tip for the 15's is only on first hit for the mob. but then it still has a chacnce to proc after teh 15's is done you just wont get the stacking bonus from teh initial 15's? Is that how the phial works?

[novel temple]

anger management, the wall, and what else?

[solar crown]

anyone know the proc chance on the battle scarred scale-trinket?

[loud patrol]

:c

[mellow quartz]

from beta

ST

[slim dove]

thats a pretty crazy amount of procs

6 ppm?

jesus

[sick sentinel]

is the prot apl updated / public?

[mellow quartz]

was abt 5% dps

[loud patrol]

8-10 ppm

[slim dove]

its 6ppm before the 15% buff it gets per target

[loud patrol]

oh

[mellow quartz]

then if you wanna see glacial fury on tree boss in AA for example

it's a 'pretty good' flash lol

[slim dove]

what about overall in a less meme dungeon?

[rugged root]

where can i look to see the bis crafted items for prot?

[mellow quartz]

8% in a 20 fort smbg

[spice radish]

who is that guy crystar from twistingnether asking for 150k for 1 craft???

selling a shield with a shit embelish as the best embelish

[jagged pier]

just find a different crafter most of the ones ive used havent charged

[mellow quartz]

it's a 'free market' if someone wants to pay that then he will sell it at that price 🤷‍♂️

[slim dove]

fangblades-illidan

[severe steeple]

150k for just a craft ridiculus

[slim dove]

100/100 bs with shield spec

[vapid mountain]

so whats everyone playing now since prot warr is killed and buried

[mellow quartz]

not if he has people that will pay that 🙂

[slim dove]

pwar.

[mellow quartz]

then its smart business

[coral marsh]

isnt 150k not even a single wowtoken?

[severe steeple]

those ppl are equally ridiculus

[mellow quartz]

whats your point?

not everyone is you

some people dont care abt money

if you don't wanna pay his prices then don't, quite simple lol

[severe steeple]

my point was 150k for just a craft is ridiculus. esp with something common as that

[mellow quartz]

look at ebay, you can always ask for the moon. Doesn't mean you get it lol

[spice radish]

done my craft with another guy, he asked for just 5k gold and he told me next craft will be free . wished me a good night too

[dusky silo]

Is there like a macro i can use to switch between offensive and defensive stance by the press of a button?

[wary heath]

Yes

[mellow quartz]

see pins

[dusky silo]

thanks

[strong forum]

yes

sims on raidbots are working

[novel temple]

oooo they are?

[strong forum]

have been working since DF launch

[mellow quartz]

just don't look at that trinket that gives you a shield by doing damage to you

[strong forum]

yeah dont look too closely at trinkets

[sick sentinel]

finally got my mining high mountain to 60

he's pretty much destined to mining slave forever now, or at least a day or 2

[tender cove]

At this point? They would have to fundamentally change how warrior plays for me to change.

[rain adder]

??

[fluid beacon]

Maybe I am blind but we don't have a Raid or Crafting BIS list yet yea? Wowhead only shows pre-raid stuff

[strong forum]

wont happen either

atleast on icyveins

dunno about wowhead tho

if there are plans for that

[fluid beacon]

Why's that? Because there isn't a "BIS" list and we just go for ilvl > stats?

[slim zinc]

^

[fluid beacon]

but thats so boring and not exciting :(((((

[strong forum]

theyre pointless

[slim zinc]

A "bis" list is only realistically bis if you have every single piece at max ilvl with sockets and leech procs

[tender cove]

Only thing fun about gear is getting wep, shield, trinkets and potentially OP items like legendary. Any other slot really dont matter for me at least.

[fluid beacon]

"This is not a targeted indirect buff to Pwar."

what do you mean by this @strong forum

[strong forum]

the intend was not to make pwar better

[fluid beacon]

the "nerf" isnt hitting us as hard as other tanks?

therefore it seems like a buff compared to other tanks?

[mellow quartz]

people see pwar only getting 5% in bstance vs 10% for other tanks

[fluid beacon]

that what you are saying?

[strong forum]

yes

[fluid beacon]

ok, understood. thank you!

[strong forum]

alot of people twisted it that way

so i included it

[mellow quartz]

disregard the 5% to def stance and that its irrelevant if you are not in def stance to begin with as you are not worried abt damage intake then

[fluid beacon]

i didnt think it was that big a deal either. when i first read the "nerfs" i mentioned it in my Guild disc as well. i dont think itll be such a big deal

[strong forum]

it isnt

but people made it a big deal

so i got pissed

[mellow quartz]

if everyone got nerfed by 10% then no one got nerfed

[fluid beacon]

yea, i find it hard to believe that ill be in D stance ever unless its to mitigate a 1 time big hit or something

or maybe in giant keys

[strong forum]

the worrysome part is the reasoning behind that nerf

[fluid beacon]

yea

[strong forum]

"tanks being too strong brings negative effects"

[fluid beacon]

tanks being able to outlast in m0

[strong forum]

"healers want to heal tanks"

[fluid beacon]

before anything of difficulty even got released

lol

[strong forum]

no they dont want to heal tanks

[fluid beacon]

exactly

ive never heard any of my healers complain

theyd rather DPS weave during healing

[strong forum]

the only people "hurt" by strong tanks are butthurt ego dps players

[fluid beacon]

its a lot more engaging

yes

[strong forum]

but theyre not butthurt enough to play tank

[fluid beacon]

agreed

[sick sentinel]

despite the nerfs and whatnot, a high haste build will compensate very sufficiently

[strong forum]

so...

youd play a high haste build regardless

its our best stat

[mellow quartz]

what?

[strong forum]

always has been

[sturdy sable]

Ive had dps tell me theyd be happy if tanks did 0 damage

[fluid beacon]

ive had idiot guildies say that to me

[sick sentinel]

this is the expansion which has pwarriors getting pi. im glad

[fluid beacon]

"Haste isnt your best stat"

[sturdy sable]

Its "not our job"

[fluid beacon]

lol

[hollow token]

I bet those people don’t play at a high level

[mellow quartz]

str is

[strong forum]

then they have to be fine with not finding a single tank to play with 🙂

surely theyd enjoy that 🙂

its not like history has proven multiple times, that the game is the healthiest and best when tanks have been strong

weird how that worked out

[sturdy sable]

^

[sick sentinel]

something tells me prot warrior will be high on the list of tanks in subcreation

[strong forum]

ofc

[slim dove]

rn youve got jealous dps that tanks can pull all of obsidian citadel and not have their hp bars move

[strong forum]

pwar is super strong

and super easy

[mellow quartz]

they didn't nerf tanks damage though, just survivability

[strong forum]

so itll be popular

[mellow quartz]

so why talk abt damage lol

[tender cove]

I said this a week ago, community perception is very dangerous and such a big shift as we saw will have consqeuneues and here we are.
Just wait 2-3 more weeks for people to bitch about how hard 20's are and how they are entitled to those rewards because they could do 15's.
While complaining about nobody wants to tank. Just wait 😄

[jagged pier]

means we will get nerfed cause prot warrior cant be good too many ppl complain

[sick sentinel]

im spamming heroic dungeons for fun this week and ive had mostly around 8 dps doing more dmg than me

im always at 35k dps with 360 ilvl

[sturdy sable]

Which is all i care about lmao

[strong forum]

2-3?

my guy

first week

will be terror

its fortified raging

every single tank discord will explode with people whining

[jagged pier]

☝️

[mellow quartz]

to be fair we dont know rotation

its just a guess now

[jagged pier]

we do know it

[tender cove]

bit evil start to the season but ok..

[strong forum]

pretty sure theyre blizzard announced affixes

[mellow quartz]

no one said it was same as beta

[strong forum]

no

its not

but blizzard literally said the affixes

its fort raging bursting week 1

and i think tyr grievous explosive week 2

🙂

[mellow quartz]

when did they do that?

[sick sentinel]

i rerolled from being a brewmaster since bfa and shadowlands. im so sad to watch brewmaster lose class participation for the coming months

[strong forum]

couple weeks ago

they released the full affix rotation

okay its fort raging quaking

then tyr bursting grievous

https://www.wowhead.com/news/dragonflight-season-1-mythic-affix-rotation-10-week-rotation-330075

okay its not blizzard confirmed

but could very well be

[mellow quartz]

its just a guestimate

[slim dove]

im excited 🤷

give me a hard first week

[strong forum]

yeah, i kinda hope and dont hope that we have fort raging week 1

[sick sentinel]

prot warrior feels so much better than brewmaster

[strong forum]

cuz it would be hilarious

[mellow quartz]

didn't we have fort raging quaking week 1 of SL?

[strong forum]

uuuuh

dont think so

lemme check

[sturdy sable]

Brew is used to be the underrepresented tank

[strong forum]

quaking + fort yes

[mellow quartz]

or was it inspiring?

[long stone]

Wednesday time for Neck ... hopefully...

[strong forum]

it was fort bursting volc

[mellow quartz]

easiest week

[strong forum]

yeah

[mellow quartz]

no weeks look easy in DF though

which is fine with me

[sick sentinel]

was good in the s3-4 of shadowlands. now its a downward spiral

[mellow quartz]

if they are all hard in some way so you dont have a 'this is the week' thing

[tender cove]

Lets be real. Monk is a literally copy of warrior and I still hate them for it. They took so many warrior things, improved them and gave to monk.

[mellow quartz]

damn brew and their shield block

[sick sentinel]

i dont see the similarities sry

[jagged pier]

thats a take

[tender cove]

How about their roll and how it fixed charge pathing? How about their death touch which was a warrior ability? And its been so many years i've forgot a lot but its a literal list of things they stole from warrior.

[mellow quartz]

I don't even see 1 single thing that is a carry over

[tender cove]

Then you didnt play warrior going into mop 😄

[jagged pier]

im sorry but u can charge safely where u cant roll

[mellow quartz]

we are talking abt brew now though

[sick sentinel]

wrong expansion dude

[tender cove]

My point was that warrior SHOULD feel better. Not what expansion it is.

[mellow quartz]

yeah that makes no sense

[strong forum]

the similarities between brew and pwar have always been:
the have the same strength and weaknessess

atleast prior to DF

strong vs physical, weak vs sustained magical/dots

[sick sentinel]

all tanks SHOULD feel better than their weakest self

thats a better take

[thin silo]

Also both with strong mobility

[fluid beacon]

Biggest issue I've seen so far in general m0 is general raid wide damage from just a whole lot of pulsing uninterruptible damage

[strong forum]

yes

for the DPS

[fluid beacon]

It's doing a lot of damage to all non tanks

[strong forum]

theyre gonna be the ones struggling

not the tanks

[fluid beacon]

And is shredding them

[strong forum]

people forget that m+ is about your group, not just the tank

[fluid beacon]

And tanks laugh at it

[sick sentinel]

im sure in keys the pulls will become less big

[fluid beacon]

It wasn't really like that before

[mellow quartz]

a LOT of the aoe damage you are experiencing is related to people not doing mechanics properly and people doing stupidly large pulls

[fluid beacon]

Tanks are super tanky

Rather than nerf tanks nerf the non stop raid wide damage

[dusky silo]

i just checked about rage generating buttons. There doesnt seem to be the one "spamable" rage generator. Are we talking about shield slam, thundeclap,ravager ect?

[fluid beacon]

Or make non dps tankier

[sick sentinel]

are you having struggles in terms of rage and self sustainability?

[mellow quartz]

SS and TC are the only short cd buttons

[dusky silo]

No it was just a general question. Last time i somewhat casually even looked at arms was in legion so i got no clue how this specc works:D

[mellow quartz]

read the wowhead guide

[strong forum]

most of our rage comes from CDs and shield slam

[fluid beacon]

Correct. I can already foresee huge nerfs to a lot of non interruptible damage in keys

I can't see it staying like this. Enraged mobs pulsing damage

On fort weeks

[mellow quartz]

we have done these dungeons on beta in m+ already, they nerfed healers by 40%

it was to easy

[strong forum]

enraged dragons in RLP

🙂

[fluid beacon]

And if they don't it'll artificially slow down keys a ton which isn't fun

[strong forum]

enraged RLP in general

is gonna be so fun

[mellow quartz]

just bring an evoker 4 head

[strong forum]

stormcaller? -> wipe

dragon? -> wipe

[dusky silo]

Do i like even use whirlwind? Like ever?

[mellow quartz]

aoe soothe

[mellow quartz]

no

[sick sentinel]

revenge is better

[strong forum]

i recommend reading the pins feruna, theres some info in there

[mellow quartz]

if you have no idea abt the basics then better read a guide before asking questions here tbh

[strong forum]

if you scroll down

[sick sentinel]

@dusky silo i can show you my overall dps from my last heroic as well as my talent tree build

[fluid beacon]

Those storm callers hurt. I usually just chain pull everything and laugh but having 3 up at once even hurts me

[tropic sundial]

I fully expect dps not bringing soothe/decurses/cc because it's a "dps loss" in the talent tree and then cry about dying to trash mechanics

[fluid beacon]

One of them pulsing on a 20

https://tenor.com/view/rip-coffin-black-ghana-celebrating-gif-16743302

[dusky silo]

Na its fine i just run with the wowhead one

[strong forum]

m+ is gonna be a shit show

[mellow quartz]

dont play with idiots then

[jagged pier]

pugging m+ is gunna be a shit show

[mellow quartz]

you can inspect them before key starts

no kick or soothe on raging weeks = kick

[fluid beacon]

Nobody has kicks anymore. Nobody wants to spec into cc

[loud patrol]

low key modify dps trees in wow head and icy veins to include all utility

[sick sentinel]

@dusky silo i know that you have the wowhead one, but you can use mine for reference

[mellow quartz]

have a WA that warns if someone hasnt talented kick or something 🙂

[fluid beacon]

Hell I am missing AOE fear

I always always used it. Prot or dps

[sick sentinel]

its a heroic one so thats not the best picture

[tropic sundial]

Oh I'm not pugging. Just talking general population and what we'll read on reddit and discords

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/ken-jeong-community-too-small-to-read-read-reading-gif-5494204

also why is TC so low

and revenge so high

why is SS so low

wtf

also talent out of sonicboom

[mellow quartz]

always good to generalize abt the 'general population' without any basis and just talking out of your ass

[jagged pier]

its bad

[sick sentinel]

its the most ideal casual build that i feel comfortable with

use it because it has a lot of defensive options

one sec

[loud patrol]

not using roar

[sweet summit]

sussy

[mellow quartz]

builds are literally in the pins in this channel

[jagged pier]

im sorry but that is ummm

not good

[tropic sundial]

No roar no ravager

[loud patrol]

no ravager wtf

[mellow quartz]

BSV for m0s?

[jagged pier]

unbreakable will

where the wall is more defensive

[deep steppe]

Are the Cobalt Rep Ring(s) good for us?

[sick sentinel]

ravager has a 50% less usability and is lower in the dps list

[mellow quartz]

yes

[fluid beacon]

One of my guildies showed me a very similar DPS breakdown.

I also asked why his revenge is so high

[sick sentinel]

shockwave is a big win as well as shield charge

[fluid beacon]

In raidbots revenge is always swimming highest damage done but that's not true

For me it's always tclap by far followed by rend

[deep steppe]

I assume this is the damage one?

[mellow quartz]

a big win?

[sick sentinel]

yeah both stun and low cd

[mellow quartz]

the tank one is very OP when things start to hurt

[sick sentinel]

ideal for defense

[novel temple]

I wanna dps on a healer while rotating through CDs to heal

[loud patrol]

for me is SS

[fluid beacon]

Tclap is hugely important. Especially with thunder lord

[strong forum]

rend should NOT be higher than revenge

[fluid beacon]

Shield slam being your highest damage done?

[mellow quartz]

shockwave is a good button, the 2 cap stones beneath it are not

[fluid beacon]

I am in a full bleed spec

[strong forum]

doesnt matter

[fluid beacon]

In another setup I think rend was 3rd or 4th

[sick sentinel]

im gonna try the bleed spec too

[strong forum]

rend should not be higher than revenge

[sick sentinel]

but not for now

[jagged pier]

u DR the mobs

[fluid beacon]

Well it is for me lmao.

[jagged pier]

everyone has a stun

[mellow quartz]

you guys realize this has all been tried and tested on beta right? there is no need to 'try' anything

[jagged pier]

and u shouldnt be using a stun as a dps cd

[sick sentinel]

its my second highest dps, im gonna rely on my merit for that sry

[mellow quartz]

yes but you need to look at the opportunity cost of not having roar and words

which would do more for you

[strong forum]

its good for dps, but it doesnt take much to figure out that spending 3 points to make 1 ability good is not