protection

[viral arch]

it's 2x80k with 3s apart where they refresh instead of adding up

[strong forum]

Yeah...

[torn furnace]

If you require a defensive trinket you go for Splinter

That's it

[zealous willow]

So what are good trinkets to aim from the raid ?

[strong forum]

All dmg ones

[viral arch]

grieftorch + all-totem

[torn furnace]

All-totem master is solid

[strong forum]

Except rumbling Ruby

[viral arch]

boon for AoE

[strong forum]

Okay and that stupid single target one is also terrible

[torn furnace]

Vault or bust, because noone is giving boon to a tank

[void summit]

What about the alc trinket?

[strong forum]

It's alright, nothing fancy

[merry umbra]

So what would we say be the best M+ trinkets for 20+ keys 😄

[open gazelle]

@strong forum how tf did you get an epic sharky

[strong forum]

Cuz im gaming

[viral arch]

wdym

[strong forum]

[broken crater]

was literally up for everyone on last weekend?

[open gazelle]

I want

[strong forum]

(also it was a world quest reward last week)

[viral arch]

epic sharky very rare

[open gazelle]

Mine was fing blue for no reason

[viral arch]

just gotta be an early gamer

[broken crater]

extraordinarily rare

[viral arch]

yeah

[strong forum]

Skill issue

[open gazelle]

380 ilvl

[merry umbra]

it scales with ilvl

[torn furnace]

379 shark gang

[open gazelle]

Back then make it make sense

Unless it was a display error and it would have actually rewarded me epic quality

[zealous willow]

im still 374

but 0 crafts

[severe steeple]

is shark gang a thing?

[trim bay]

Look

Find a group with 5 warriors

[severe steeple]

we run this trink above others?

[trim bay]

Overlap rallys

God mode activated

[broken crater]

same and same

[strong forum]

Shark is fun

Looks cool, procs often

But isn't particularly strong

[trim bay]

The look is with 50 ilvl

[severe steeple]

yeah thats why i asked, since i got dragon games

[zealous willow]

Shark sometimes proc 2 times in 2 secs 😄

[strong forum]

Dragon games is one of the best trinkets to get

[trim bay]

It's Xmas

What would Bruce Willie do

[broken crater]

retire

for the nth time

[strong forum]

All-totem + X

Don't know the 2nd one yet

[zealous willow]

What abt court of stars trinket is it good ?

[strong forum]

It's solid

Very good in St

[severe steeple]

i would take it over dga cause dga is minigame

f that

[strong forum]

Trinkets will prolly be boon/grieftorch+all-totem

[ocean prairie]

do we never consider the talent Show of Force in our rotation? Not even at high target count?

[strong forum]

You don't actively try to play around it

You'll do automatically

Especially with tierset

[ocean prairie]

ok so with like 10 target and very low incoming damage it's not a spam of revenge + thunder clap?

[strong forum]

You do

[ocean prairie]

during avatar

[strong forum]

Hence the "automatically"

You should be doing that

Irrespective of sof or not

[ocean prairie]

ok

ty

[craggy pilot]

this one worth anything?

[strong forum]

Dunno, WQ trinkets weren't up for testing on beta

[viral arch]

they were if you were on the right realm

[craggy pilot]

but i guess Mastery is kinda meh

[sick sentinel]

Lol

[strong forum]

They were but you couldn't run actual content with them

[grave crane]

“Actual content” if you ain’t doing 35s it’s not actual content

[wicked oriole]

If I use my spark on a weapon is there a particular one you would recommend? Or are they basically the same?

[wind oak]

keep your spark for now

[craggy pilot]

get one with Strength

other than that they are all the same

[sick sentinel]

Get one with strength.

Nice

[craggy pilot]

best advice i can give 🤣

[sick sentinel]

Give this man SF

🤣

[wicked oriole]

Ha ha

Thank you

[merry umbra]

That felt a bit like in the druid discord

[craggy pilot]

but tbh im not sure if there are more than 1 weapon we can use from Sparks 🤔

[merry umbra]

I asked what stats prio is there for resto and they told me just intellect 😄

[severe steeple]

there is a sword and a mace

[mighty frost]

Is BV still broke?

[merry umbra]

if you are gonna use a spark now its best to do it for a finger with custom stats (they come with socket also) imo
2nd spark I would use when the primal storm events come out (next reset) and people can craft the
"Elemental Lariat" neck (the recipe drops from th event)

[strong forum]

M+ wasn't activated on beta leveling Realm

And you could only get the trinket there

[trim bay]

@strong forum is there a list of nerfs to vanguard?

we can view with change dates

[silent anchor]

I like how they nerfed 50% of our damage reduction through def stance which we aint been using atm 🤣

[dense hound]

Hey guys what's better: 372 Forgestorm or 382 crit/haste 👀 ?

[strong forum]

Wowhead has a list of changes

[trim bay]

tyy

[strong forum]

382 weapon

[dense hound]

Ty

[merry umbra]

forgestorm bis but in s2 😄

[dense hound]

Sadge 😅

[hasty echo]

Hello there! at what % is our haste soft cap now? is it base on Shield Block right?

[mellow bridge]

always ilvl

[upbeat pine]

Hi guys, can u tell me why it is worth to tank in battle stance instead of defensive? I cannot understand why people say "defensive stance is broken" and would like to know

[merry umbra]

def stance reduces your dmg by 10%, which actively makes your IP worse

[mellow bridge]

[upbeat pine]

but it also reduces damage taken

[strong forum]

Well, it doesn't make IP worse.

[cobalt seal]

Was those keys done by you on pwar?

[strong forum]

But it's quite a dps loss to sit in d-stance

[merry umbra]

it does but at this point you don't take enough dmg for it to be worth using imo

[strong forum]

And more often than not, not a required thing to sit in

[merry umbra]

well if you are using BV it does make it worse

[strong forum]

Well sure, but that's very indirect

Not the first thing to mention why not to sit in d-stance imo

[merry umbra]

Yeah, I agree 😄

[upbeat pine]

ok, so it is better to tank with b-stance because it makes ignore pain more valuable?

[viral arch]

Question for you

it's a real life analogy

but it'll convey the point well

Would you tell somebody to do their groceries with this

If not, why not

[severe steeple]

ofc i would, fuck the cops

[broken crater]

:susge:

[merry umbra]

Generally yes, you do more deeps = mobs die faster, however if there is a big hit coming and you fear for your life you can switch stance for the hit and get back in b-stance afterwards, there are various ways to go about it

[oak echo]

high quality first message to see when opening up skyhold

[merry umbra]

Most importantly before anything, as a tank it is your job to know what's going to hit you and approximately for how much

[mellow bridge]

no

[sick sentinel]

7

[mellow bridge]

you sit in bstance because the extra DR from def stance is overkill for 99% of situations

you would rather just do more damage as that is always valuable

treat def stance as a CD that you use sometimes

[merry umbra]

^ couldnt have said it better

[upbeat pine]

ok, got it. So it depends on bosses/mobs and if they do some enormous dmg to tank it is good to switch to d-stance

[rugged mural]

Are we expecting to need DStance more regularly as keys scale up?

[merry umbra]

If you are getting into higher keys it's good to start the fight with d-stance and in a few seconds before u use your cds switch to b-stance and remain in it, you know once you get the momentum going

[grave crane]

I was just memeing bro not serious

[viral arch]

yeah man let's justify generating 10% less threat and 10% less damage at a time when you can simply pop a CD for absolutely no reason

[uneven mason]

Slapping man

[merry umbra]

well I did some 20s+ in the beta and some packs' initial hit was heavy

Also threat is getting buffed

[uneven mason]

Good thing we have shield wall every pull

[lone eagle]

Your damage while gathering a pull is largely irrelevant tbh

You put your bleed and tclap on things

Once the pull is starting to gather, b-stance + CD is the way to be

Depends on how big a pull though

[uneven mason]

You need to group with Better DPS

[lone eagle]

bad DPS blow real damage when you're gathering

good dps start generating and setting up to burst

[merry umbra]

^

[lone eagle]

obv depends a little on whats meta/in your group

[merry umbra]

dh's and monks gettin aggro will be a problem

these classes burst 300k+ with 2 buttons 😄

[lone eagle]

nah, WW generally shouldn't pull aggro

Threat splits on their spirits unless that's changed

[paper fjord]

Damn we should be just fine but I feel for brewmasters😅

[grave crane]

The faster shit dies the less damage it does to me

[lone eagle]

and they prep their marks

[grave crane]

So instead of pressing d stance I will simply press shield block and demo or SW or anything else

[lone eagle]

Biggest candidate for early threat rips is poorly played Evokers, Arcane Mages ToTM ramping on a target you aren't paying attention to

[merry umbra]

evoker poppin max breath when shit is still running was my fav thing in beta 😄

[lone eagle]

true

[merry umbra]

especially that 2nd cast on tree boss in Alg'Ac

[lone eagle]

Tclap and drive by Revenge should be enough while you're grouping multiple packs

[merry umbra]

yet to see that without me yelling in discord to calm their tits

[grave crane]

Just play with a hunter who uses misdirect and pulls shit for you easy peasy

[lone eagle]

In an ideal world, but it's good to have Deep Wounds out on a bunch of targets for larger multipulls to help with the IP spam while charging around the world

[merry umbra]

misdirect on bm hunters sucks

[sick sentinel]

If you're pulling mobs and not pressing anything you're a troll

[merry umbra]

cuz they dont actually do dmg their pet does 😄 so it doesnt work very well

outlaw seems meta so tricks should be good

[open gazelle]

@cobalt seal I am a prot warrior?

[lone eagle]

I think a tclap + revenge is reasonable if you're multipulling going pack to pack

[sick sentinel]

So you don't press anything while gathering.

No shot.

[lone eagle]

If they rip in the first 2 seconds off of that, they are trolling

[sick sentinel]

Not possible.

What healer you running with?

[lyric geode]

Resto druid, because he doesnt heal me.

[lone eagle]

Lmao on bear the first week

I was outhealing our rdruid on every target, every pull because bear AtW is just so bonkers

Man was a cat for most of those dungeons

[cobalt seal]

You tell me

What other tank has those defensives

[sick sentinel]

feels like 90% of healers in my recent dungeons have been evokers, msot predictably

not is real but feels like

[cobalt seal]

@open gazelle you linked your healer thats a pvp only player

You have said a few times that you do this and that

But

[sick sentinel]

all i need to know is there is some faceless person thats backing me uo and trying to keeps me alive

[uneven mason]

Tbh healing is really good ATM, I'm having a lot of fun on my Rshm

[sick sentinel]

apparently not so many tanks either, still get into groups quasi instantly

[uneven mason]

Shocking I think bliz realized you can't have your cornerstone roles feel like shit

[open gazelle]

Nowadays yeah?

[cobalt seal]

Healer is the role with least players?

[lone eagle]

Yeah, healing is really good ATM, I'm having a lot of fun on my After the Wildfire bear 🐻‍❄️

[uneven mason]

So tanks are fun, healing feels fun

[cobalt seal]

What

[open gazelle]

He thinks m+ is boring now

[sick sentinel]

im 367 now anyways, did all the m0s did a hunt

g9t shit reward from hunt

[uneven mason]

It's some DPS that feel crappy to play

[cobalt seal]

So when did you do 30s exactly

Bfa?

[sick sentinel]

always been like thats since 2004

[uneven mason]

It's so fun hah, but was my 2nd tank and at 365 it's just giggles

[sick sentinel]

i was there

Skoal are you talking to yourself or?

healer is always thing you wait on in every mmo that has one

[broken crater]

😐 thats not a good metric to use, its very well established theres a tank shortage, not a healer shortage. even blizzard says so

[cobalt seal]

@open gazelle or did you link him in the first place lol

[weak snow]

]

[sick sentinel]

fuck, even just 2 player couch coop if 1 guy heals, you gotta wait for him

[open gazelle]

What?

[uneven mason]

BFA and sl most groups were waiting for tanks because tanking felt like ass until sl season 3

[open gazelle]

A few 30s could never time a 31

[fathom goblet]

wyh no one consider using defensive instance ?

[cobalt seal]

When

Bfa?

[sick sentinel]

When

[open gazelle]

SL4 duh

[sick sentinel]

most people dont willingly play a healer

[cobalt seal]

On pwar?

[sick sentinel]

is what imean

[open gazelle]

When it was enjoyable

[lone eagle]

Letting your DPS hold threat is a form of active mitigation

[cobalt seal]

On pwar or bdk?

[sick sentinel]

Huh

[sick sentinel]

works until you get booted from group or they leave

[broken crater]

a temporary snapshot of your personal experience at some point which may not even be a relevant point in time due to peak hours and relevance of heroic dungeons is meaningless for an mmo with millions of players

this is 101 statistics

really trivial

[uneven mason]

Not for long, they die so fast lol

[lone eagle]

Tell them to get better at tanking

If I can do it, they can too

[sick sentinel]

Cocaine is a helluva drug

[lone eagle]

"Kite more, mage!"

[sick sentinel]

its always that one fucking mob, casting shoot gun

[uneven mason]

Bro you can't teach people in discord about omittance bias, that's internets 101

[sick sentinel]

and then you have to go around corner or stand on him to get him to come to you

[fathom goblet]

anyone ?

[uneven mason]

Because we don't need to

[open gazelle]

Pwar?

I don’t like bdk

[sick sentinel]

most fun is when there is 3 or more of them, so they just never clump up with the group

[fathom goblet]

@uneven mason even on higher keys ?

[cobalt seal]

So

Why is your pwar

[broken crater]

is like asking "why no one considers last resort"

and you know the answer to that one

[cobalt seal]

A weekly 15 gamer?

[uneven mason]

Sure there will be a point where we might need it

[cobalt seal]

In all sl seasons

[open gazelle]

A 15 gamer?

[broken crater]

maybe he added 2 15s together = 30

[sick sentinel]

cuz, its just a game affer all

[fathom goblet]

@broken crater everyone use last resource

[cobalt seal]

Yes

[broken crater]

nobody does.

[fathom goblet]

lul

[mellow bridge]

two 15s in a row is the same as a 30 right?

[uneven mason]

So we're more likely to hit a limitation in healer and DPS throughput before warriors need to get more tanky

[viral arch]

they did in SL because the other talents on the row were dogshit

[last crest]

i there something like proffesion discord ? got few herbalism questions

[cobalt seal]

Or thats not your pwae

[uneven mason]

Now that is at higher gameplay, casual players will use distance earlier

[open gazelle]

Who is that?

[trim bay]

is anyone able to link a change log of prot nerfs on wow head. i cant seem to find it

im retarded

[uneven mason]

I gotta x gm who grows his own herb.

[sick sentinel]

pug a 15 without communications or addons or rroute, and if you want to be serious about it, take a ragnaros or oceanic healer

[cobalt seal]

You

[sick sentinel]

then say 15 20 is easy

[cobalt seal]

Stfu

[open gazelle]

I play alliance dip shit lol

[fathom goblet]

20 is easy

[slim dove]

What yall dramafrogging about jesus

[viral arch]

somebody's about to get hit with the message history

[sick sentinel]

angry boys in pwar,...... SURPRISE

[uneven mason]

It's not easy realistically, to the average playerbase

[last crest]

huh ?

[merry umbra]

obisidian keys in the obsidian citadels. 50 rep per key

[cobalt seal]

#transmog message

I wonder why

[fathom goblet]

everyone who give a real try can make 15

[slim dove]

https://tenor.com/view/frank-castle-wait-please-stop-please-no-please-gif-21133188

[cobalt seal]

@open gazelle

I guess tou found

A random

Person transmog

[sick sentinel]

i cant be b9thered doing obsidian citadel events and quests

[cobalt seal]

[sick sentinel]

i did some hunts and a cook

[uneven mason]

Tbh I'm Glad they're not artificially capping pushes the first week

[sick sentinel]

but dont givr a fuck about the obsidian shit

[fathom goblet]

@uneven mason ok hit 20 in first week is really scary

[uneven mason]

My guild has opted to focus on m+ this xpac

[cobalt seal]

Thats exactly why lol

[uneven mason]

But at least they're allowing the gear

[cobalt seal]

Go tank your 15s with full bis

Shoo

[uneven mason]

Crom

[sick sentinel]

this is extremely crude yes, but ever since like, late bfa, i hwve regarded raiding as virgin content

[slim dove]

post physique, lifts, or parses

stop dramafrogging

[sick sentinel]

anythijg normal and above non zerg fest steam roller just, yeah

[strong forum]

Again this e-peen shit

[sick sentinel]

didnt do a single normal raid all of shadowlands,even with the slike cat mount

[fathom goblet]

first week is tyranical

[lone eagle]

Well MY penis is 2 inches

From the ground

[fathom goblet]

we eventually will get one shot

[uneven mason]

Push week

[open gazelle]

I thought first week was fortified?

[strong forum]

Resorting to actual insults now is taking it over the line

[slim dove]

[broken crater]

its supposed to be fort raging

[upper tinsel]

First week is fort.

[sick sentinel]

immfuppy expecting warrior enters 20 kry, warrior goes boom,

[fathom goblet]

fort ?

[sick sentinel]

community, warrior tank is dead

[upper tinsel]

Fortified.

[uneven mason]

Push week

[lone eagle]

Some of you guys don't even have 25-25-30-30 Renown yet and it shows tbh

[open gazelle]

And I’m not aloud to have alt pwars??? It’s the only spec/class I play @cobalt seal

[merry umbra]

I found a reliable way to make my pepe 20 inches

I cut it in half

[uneven mason]

Tuna, it's crom

[sick sentinel]

i made 5 dks because they levled fast for heritage acheivments

[uneven mason]

He's the community bicycle of tank discord trolls

[broken crater]

i mean where do you have your tyra info from lol

[sick sentinel]

just deathstrike till cows come home

[uneven mason]

It's funny because it's true

[lone eagle]

True and based

[fathom goblet]

@broken crater wowhead I dont know if you guys a trolling or I miss read

[uneven mason]

Half my heritage ended up as dk

[broken crater]

wowhead literally had fort raging as first week

[mellow bridge]

why dont you show us your main then

it's really hard to take your opinions seriously when you claim that you do 30s but dont even know the basics of the class sometimes

[uneven mason]

So I mean have you ever watched nerf?

[whole crest]

[broken crater]

so your alt is 378? 😅

[merry umbra]

[fathom goblet]

pugs were doing 26-27 on SL pre patch

[uneven mason]

Boys

[broken crater]

pugs were doing 30+ on prepatch

[mellow bridge]

he said S4

[broken crater]

just like before

[mellow bridge]

that's very diff from pre-patch memeing

[uneven mason]

Can we stop acting like this is the paladin discord, warriors don't need to compensate

[mellow bridge]

it's not about compensating or e-peen or w/e

it's about verifying that someone's opinions are valid

[broken crater]

just another case of lying about score? 😛

[fathom goblet]

pwar had the least impacted nerf

[mellow bridge]

if you talk about doing high keys and using that as a way to validate your opinion

you need to show proof

else you're just a liar

[upper tinsel]

Muyuu has a very valid point.

[astral breach]

how are you doing on this fine evening

[inland raft]

I just casually do +50s in 11.0 expac, source: trust me

[strong forum]

Literally on fire

[astral breach]

you forgot the bro part

[broken crater]

id suggest visiting an urologist

shouldnt burn that much

[merry umbra]

the pre-patch was a joke
lvl 1 to 3k score in 2 weeks (when i found out pwar will be meta)

[strong forum]

It was

[fathom goblet]

a tarren mill fellow

[broken crater]

:weirdchamp:

[open gazelle]

I played dwarf war SL 4

Sense

[inland raft]

Vulp master race

[open gazelle]

Y’all are dumb

@cobalt seal

[merry umbra]

i decided to switch serverinos cuz people were telling me they wont inv a kazzak toxic player (even before I said smth) 😄

[fathom goblet]

my pwar is tauren Im considering paying a class change token

[mellow bridge]

can you just link your char fam

this can all be over in literally 5s

what's the issue with linking it

[fathom goblet]

@merry umbra oh wait you are kazzak spy

[open gazelle]

Tuna is my main now bc my buds went fing horde like little shits

[mellow bridge]

so what is your alliance char called

[merry umbra]

i was a always a TM fanboy, my braindead guild went to kazzak so i bounced 😄

[broken crater]

tuna the most modest 30s player out here deliberately trying to hide their main :wholesome:

[lyric geode]

OMFG they nerfed defensive stance.

Anyway

[fathom goblet]

@merry umbra why a guild would transfer to kazzak 0 IQ move

[viral arch]

to better fit in

[merry umbra]

that's what i was saying but 😄 decision were made

[mellow bridge]

since you did 30s

[viral arch]

[mellow bridge]

which one of these are you?

🙂

[fathom goblet]

Goatsafce

[open gazelle]

11

[mellow bridge]

?

[broken crater]

i cant

[mellow bridge]

xD

[wary heath]

good morning, could you help me with the build for m+ please??? I've searched for it but couldn't find it. I thank you very much!!!

[viral arch]

hey @shut summit get off your alt account

[broken crater]

are you saying youre @shut summit

ah ffs

chat too fast

[mellow bridge]

what a bad word (sorry mods)

[upper tinsel]

@wary heath check the pinned posts there are a few builds there

[fathom goblet]

Tuna fish got baked

[merry umbra]

top 100 war here i demand rezpekt (dont watch the season)

[mellow bridge]

PogT

anyway thanks for proving to us that you are a liar Tuna

[strong forum]

No way this just happened

[broken crater]

lmao

[wary heath]

Tyvm!

[upper tinsel]

@wary heath np! ☺️

[wary heath]

Ty so much!!!

[fathom goblet]

@merry umbra I got top 70 with my guardian

[merry umbra]

go guard a forest, we protect here

[fathom goblet]

😦

[mellow bridge]

forests are important

[uneven mason]

I mean 70 out of 75 isn't bad

[mellow bridge]

i respect it

[merry umbra]

im jokin come give me a hug

lets have some love

[fathom goblet]

@uneven mason 70 out of 71

[uneven mason]

[fathom goblet]

lies

70 out 70

😦

[merry umbra]

70 out of 69

[uneven mason]

Bears are ragebro

[merry umbra]

seems like a Tuna thing to do

[fathom goblet]

70 out 69 would be neat

69 is a neat number

if you are main tank and dont like bears

you are nuts

[severe steeple]

this guy claimed he was going to push 20s first week and then he linked "his healers" twitch and when i checked on the guy it was a pvper

[severe steeple]

wanted to call him out at that time but the cntent was good 🍿

[sweet summit]

hii

pisschilling

[blazing condor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/463452854389047297/1037281694211919923/3x.gif

bro this chat

[gilded tendon]

🧦

[open gazelle]

Damn I’m just a kid

Have mercy

[fathom goblet]

Tuna Sensei

[open gazelle]

First time trying to wow catfish

[fathom goblet]

cringe

[dusky canopy]

oh no are dudes really up in here pretending to be top 50 again

[mellow bridge]

nah just pretending to be sense this time

[sweet summit]

at least they didn't impersonate me this time

[strong forum]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-one-eyebrow-raised-rock-staring-the-rock-gif-22113367

[blazing condor]

you did the equivelent of saying "my dad works in politics, he's joe biden"

[strong forum]

I am rosjen

[open gazelle]

Fuck joe Biden

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

Jokes aside

[severe steeple]

my dad works for the mew under the truck

[strong forum]

Impersonation gets you banned real fucking quick

[dusky canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/none-of-my-business-tea-kermit-frog-gif-5084362

[blazing condor]

https://tenor.com/view/he-cant-keep-getting-away-with-it-gif-19335672

[open gazelle]

For real though I’m an entertainer

Making people laugh is my joy

[severe steeple]

nah you just lack PP skill

[dusky canopy]

oh were laughing

[strong forum]

Sure, but like

[open gazelle]

Tomatoes tomatos

[dusky canopy]

this guys not making "Sense"

[blazing condor]

cough

[open gazelle]

No I lack IP skill

[severe steeple]

you just came here trolling for like 2 hours and even called ppl names

[jagged pier]

i love how uve never tried to make ppl laugh just present things that are wrong as correct because u 'did 30s last seasoin'

[blazing condor]

le epic troll

[strong forum]

Take the L with pride

[blazing condor]

the look on the stormforged's faces are gonna be priceless

[mellow bridge]

it's always funny how the people that lie about their IO always default to the "im trolling"-excuse after being called out for their bs

[dusky canopy]

lets be honest with ourselves most of the wow community doesnt do 20s

[strong forum]

Weasling your way out doesn't make it any less cringe

[jagged pier]

which if u were doing intentially is a mutable offence

[open gazelle]

All jokes aside

That healer is my bud though and a really good player

I climbed pvp with him on udk

[blazing condor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148897941883584512/997086666961457203/chatting.gif

[dusky canopy]

climes to 1800

[open gazelle]

I love a good L

[mortal brook]

GOOD MORNING ALL

[open gazelle]

Don’t deny he’s a good dude

[dusky canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-climb-climbing-the-amazing-spiderman-gif-8135813

[coarse flower]

too many egos in here

[jagged pier]

[dusky canopy]

i smell a bear!

[blazing condor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/801876810261463041.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[blazing dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/perfect-popcorn-michael-jackson-gif-26271837

[fathom goblet]

I remember this chat early on SL

people crying

[open gazelle]

I do 20s trying to get into 30s

[blazing condor]

wym trying i tohught you wre top 11

[fathom goblet]

@uneven light 20s on prepatch doesnt count

[blazing condor]

r u lied to me

[uneven mason]

Tears of rage

[dusky canopy]

TOP ELEVEN

https://tenor.com/view/drive-by-50cent-smile-see-ya-swag-gif-5548830

[open gazelle]

ITS NOT TOP 10 cries

[fathom goblet]

20s on season 4 and prepatch are not the same as season 1

[blazing condor]

trues

[uneven light]

[cobalt seal]

You might wanna reduce the numbers to 15s

[coarse flower]

as much as hes trolling, he's probably still doing higher end content than most of us in here

[blazing condor]

the double leggo / tier set thing inflated the fuck outa keys

[uneven mason]

I was #2 on turalyon alliance side at the start of bfa

[cobalt seal]

Fixing a lie without another lie isnt it

[open gazelle]

@cobalt seal check my dungeon runs detective

[cobalt seal]

I did

[open gazelle]

20s

[uneven mason]

Which means I was #2 out of like 8

[fathom goblet]

20s are bad

[open gazelle]

Winner winner chicken dinner

[coarse flower]

🍿

[slender blade]

you can be good at the game and still an unlikeable weenie

[open gazelle]

Same brand just growing more

[dusky canopy]

if ya aint first yer last

[blazing condor]

unlucky he's neither

[open gazelle]

Everyone laughed at Steve Jobs first too

[fathom goblet]

ok Mr STeve

[coarse flower]

whats a good key level?

[cobalt seal]

Just stop tuna

Just stop

[uneven mason]

Guys please stop feeding the troll

[open gazelle]

We keep growing😈

[cobalt seal]

Take the L

Dont lie next time

[open gazelle]

L rookery

[storm merlin]

Depends what you're trying to do. If you're trying to do 30s, then 30s are pretty pretty

[blazing condor]

https://tenor.com/view/turn-down-volume-mute-volume-gif-14268149

[open gazelle]

Tooketh

@cobalt seal did you go to school?

[fathom goblet]

@coarse flower only Great Push Winners are acceptable

[cobalt seal]

School whats that

[open gazelle]

Oh so no criminal justice degree??

[cobalt seal]

Here in africa there is no schools

[open gazelle]

You’d be good at it

Sorry I’m 21 and immature

[sweet summit]

i think this is enough shitting and pissing

[uneven mason]

Learn from Crom, his ability to accept when his trolling has failed with grace is legendary

[sweet summit]

can we go back to regular

[slender blade]

goated msg

[cobalt seal]

So talking about vdh?

Sure

[sweet summit]

[fathom goblet]

VDH is over

[cobalt seal]

Did you guys see the nerfs?

[open gazelle]

Is squishy imo but dam is DAM

[cobalt seal]

What dmg

[uneven mason]

Laughing at the defensive stance nerf

[cobalt seal]

Vdh is literally 5th

Or 6th on dmg

[open gazelle]

y’all helping me become a man by calling me on my bullshit thank you

[sweet summit]

the general tank nerfs?

[queen bobcat]

is there a timer for one the super rares spawn?

[cobalt seal]

That means you arent playing vdh?

[sweet summit]

pretty cringe

[slender blade]

I was so hype for VDH, i could literally not wait for the season to start, now I am just not so sure but prolly still dh, just a little sadge

[open gazelle]

@sweet summit we growing here

[sweet summit]

what

[fathom goblet]

@cobalt seal I have 4 tanks classes 370+ I will decide on weekly reset

[open gazelle]

Back to seriousness

[sweet summit]

depends on there rare, just LFG them

[uneven mason]

Let's be honest we're going to encounter limitations on DPS survival for pushing keys long before the tank nerf will matter

[cobalt seal]

Anything but vdh

[lone eagle]

As a Brew main I haven't finished leveling my Brew yet

[whole crest]

you should play warrior

[open gazelle]

Pros and cons of prot pally alt, m+ focus

[lone eagle]

have Bear and Pwar ready, cotank is VDH

Planning on bear atm

[placid vale]

Why play BrM this season...they're fucked as hell.

[sweet summit]

oh yeah it changes nothing but i still think it's cringe

[uneven mason]

Bear is beautiful

[fathom goblet]

@whole crest I want VDH 🙂

[slender blade]

370 on 4 sounds pretty good, nice

[uneven mason]

Just wish druid class tree wasn't a dumpster fire

[open gazelle]

Is prot pally m+?

[lone eagle]

3 point nodes are fucked

[open gazelle]

Approved*

[fathom goblet]

@astral atlas absolute nothing to do and you can lvl alt easy

[slim dove]

yeah its great

[cobalt seal]

Vdh is dead

Play pwar

[whole crest]

What Cro said

[uneven mason]

The issue was that tanks could pull so much and not give a fuck, while randomly targetting nukes were murdering everyone else

[whole crest]

The issue with that being the issue

[fathom goblet]

how could someone rely on Cro advices

[mellow bridge]

all this brm doubting sigh

[whole crest]

is that we haven't gotten relevant content to test with yet

and all signs point to not pulling like a maniac in actual content

[uneven mason]

Crom isn't really an idiot he just plays one on TV

[slender blade]

Wouldn't tanks that pull too big and kill their team just be hard stuck in low keys since they can't time with wipes? Or am I missing the mark

[placid vale]

Because this is Blizzard we're talking about. If they can fuck something up, they will.

[sweet summit]

idk DF kinda owns

[uneven mason]

Maybe

[placid vale]

Its their specialty

[slender blade]

df is so good the 10% thing is not fun but they do have time to revert that still and the rest of the stuff so far is great

[coarse flower]

what two spark crafts are recommended going into mythic week?

[uneven mason]

They've made steps in the right direction

[placid vale]

Tell that to BrMs xD

[inland raft]

Blizzard is historically a master of offering fun then yanking it away

[uneven mason]

Whatever isn't covered by your loot that week

[placid vale]

At this point, nobody will take them to PUGs

[inland raft]

But the 10% thing seems pretty non issue at least to pwar to me

[placid vale]

Because why do so and struggle when you can invite any of the other 5 tanks?

[cobalt seal]

Because cro is 90% of the time right

[inner rapids]

Hello warriors are shit now

[restive cypress]

a man of culture too I see

[inner rapids]

I dunno i just wanted to write something

[uneven mason]

BRM is playable but way harder than they were in the past, proper gameplay gives you insane burst damage, someone has to be last, it was just BRM turn

[placid vale]

xD speaking truths right here guys Yeah, tell that to PUGs. Survival Hunters know a thing or 2 about being last and not getting invited.

[shut summit]

[neon fossil]

When blizzard -10% DR to tank and realize that PWar is laughing because they don't even use DS, so it's basically a -5% DR to vanguard kekw

[inner rapids]

I am DS enjoyer

So nerf hurt me

[inland raft]

Defensive stance is tanking the nerf bat

[inner rapids]

Class shit now

[strong forum]

Lots of streamers permanently sat in d-stance even on beta keys

[uneven mason]

I'm pretty sure this is just the front end of tank balancing

[strong forum]

Even in 15s

[blazing condor]

i forgot dstance existed lol

[urban bane]

more like limpdick stance

[uneven mason]

But yes MOST warriors use defensive

[slender blade]

it does make you wonder if they will throw another nerf in, but you can't rely on changes to happen like that really and shouldn't

[inland raft]

Which is beneficial to us cuz blizzard making changes off that data which reduces the impact

Theyll prob follow up with class specific changes next

[uneven mason]

Fyi you don't automatically enter either stance when swapping specs

[inland raft]

Blanket change then specifics

[uneven mason]

Quite annoying

[hazy steeple]

I just hope we don’t see any more big tuning changes on tanks. Pwarr should be fine from this change.

[uneven mason]

I got a nice 2h from a wq so tried arms for a dungeon was halfway through when I noticed that my stance wasn't lit up

[viral arch]

scroll up if you don't understand the ping

[urban bane]

Just use a WA.

[viral arch]

(it's worth it)

[uneven mason]

Don't scroll up

[urban bane]

Tho I agree it is annoying, should just automatically stance you to b stance else berserk stance

[uneven mason]

What's berserk

Because that isn't a thing

[urban bane]

doesn't fury get that instead of battle stance?

[lone eagle]

Really just Senseless trolling going on in here

[shut summit]

yea that's what the was lol

[uneven mason]

Uh, idk

[sweet summit]

it is

[uneven mason]

I'll update my wa incase I ever go fury

Right now it just checks for battle stance

[fresh belfry]

damn i missed the guy pretending to be sense?

[dawn marsh]

So to craft ilvl 382 gear, let's take a helmet as an example, I need to use a matrix IV + I need to be that golden pentagon icon for that craft right?

[sweet summit]

correct

[dawn marsh]

Thanks for the confirmation!

[dawn marsh]

I thought for a second I had to go deep into the "Helm" node from the Armoursmithing specialization to craft ilvl 382 gear 😂

[sweet summit]

higher skill makes it easier to get to the rank 5 mark

[drifting pecan]

What ench we go on weapon?

[lyric geode]

Guys, I want someone to inform me. With the new nerfs to defensive stance, do we ever need to use Defensive Stance?

[cobalt seal]

he could have choosen so many

but he choose you!

the one person pretty much everyone on this discord knows

[coarse flower]

ive got 379+ ilvl in every slot now, if I had to choose a craft would I do mainhand or offhand at 405?

or both even

with random embelishments (since its all 0.5-1% anyway)

[fathom pine]

Evening lads, any bis list up for raid yet?

[strong forum]

weapon if you go for dmg
shield for defense

cant make the choice for you

[coarse flower]

if im trying to do week 1 +20, do you think tank survivability might be an issue?

maybe might do shield in that case

[strong forum]

since i know youll be going for 20s week 1 maybe shield

i didnt grind out renown so ill have to make do with 386 shield

[teal girder]

So far I've only seen dstance and vanguard nerfs for pve

Is that it?

[strong forum]

yes

those are the most recent ones

[teal girder]

Not bad

I feel for vengence tanks lmao

They got hit pretty hard

[strong forum]

ya they really didnt need that

BUT

since all tanks got hit with this

this change does factually nothing

[mellow quartz]

They just roughly nerfed tanks by 1 key level

[strong forum]

cuz as soon as pwar choose to go into d-stance they also got hit "harder"

[teal girder]

Having 10% removed from damage reduction is a win in my book

[storm merlin]

ah yes, people love getting nerfed for no reason

[teal girder]

It was definitely an unnecessary neff but hey

It is what it is

Blizzard has yet to learn that balancing doesn't mean making everything dogshit

[mellow quartz]

They clearly put their reasons….

[whole crest]

Their reasons were vague

[storm merlin]

What info do they have this week they didn't have 2 weeks ago

or 3

[teal girder]

I mean, we're called tanks for a reason

[whole crest]

if you have insight into "there are some negative effects that can come from tanks being too strong, that we want to avoid" I would love to hear it

[ornate thunder]

If healing wasn't 80% of the time the role for people who can't manage moving and a rotation at the same time, their rationale would make sense

[teal girder]

Watch tanks get absolutely fucked on once m+ and raid releases

[hazy steeple]

Is there 2 high level shields you can have crafted? Is one considered better than the other? Was thinking about getting one crafted. Think I saw one that could proc a Vers buff

[mellow quartz]

They literally give an example right after that statement. Tanks being able to solo large portions of the dungeon with the group dead is what they want to avoid.

[ornate thunder]

They should have waited, changing it now makes no sense at this point in the development cycle, amateur crap

[whole crest]

in what relevant content are tanks able to solo "large potions" of encounters

what even constitutes a "large portion"

[ornate thunder]

content that doesn't matter that everyone can solo next week

[storm merlin]

Solo what dungeon? M0s? Who cares about m0, it's not real content.

And wanting tanks to be reliant on healers? why nerf Brew then, when they already were?

[mellow quartz]

You can solo a whole dungeon

[whole crest]

in M0

which is not relevant content

[mellow quartz]

Nome soloed +10s on beta 🤷‍♂️

[teal girder]

They watched asmons stream once and went "yep, tanks op"

[storm merlin]

In 392?

[whole crest]

also barely relevant content

[storm merlin]

Out of time?

[mellow quartz]

Blizzard never said relevant content

[whole crest]

please

[storm merlin]

so why do they let us solo ICC then?

[whole crest]

re-read my vague comment earlier

[storm merlin]

That's also a dungeon

[cobalt seal]

did you see nome mass pulling?

[mellow quartz]

But I have soloed whole boss fights in a 17 on beta

[storm merlin]

I mean, who cares that it's 8 expansions old

[cobalt seal]

in those 10's

you can solo a 20

by pulling 1 mob at a time

you already did that in BFA

and SL

and likely legion

[teal girder]

I just feel that my experience shouldn't be held back by other players, in this case a shitty healer

[cobalt seal]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[uneven mason]

If they go back to us being completely reliant on healers like bfa or sl I'll hang up the shield, no one wants that shit again

[teal girder]

If my healers shitty, ofc I wanna be able to solo shit

[uneven mason]

Not even healers

[teal girder]

Because i dont wanna be forced to pull 1 mob at a time every dungeon

[whole crest]

Healers don't even want to heal tanks

[uneven mason]

I want to be able to perform my role

And not hope that some pug healer isn't shit

[vocal seal]

is this information coming from an interview ?? I can't seem to find any information on recent nerfs

[mellow quartz]

Wowhead

[teal girder]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/upcoming-class-tuning-incoming-on-weekly-reset-global-tank-nerfs-330421

[vocal seal]

ah ty

[edgy grail]

if you cant read sure. They literally stated that is was because they want tanks to take more damage so that healers have a more meaningful role. If you disagree with that then sure

[uneven mason]

It's In the same post that they announced the tuning

[teal girder]

Imagine being a vengeance dh. Poor dudes got nerfed to shit

[storm merlin]

And why did they make that nerf now, and not 3 weeks ago when they had the same info back then?

And why did they nerf BrM when they were more reliant on healers already

[uneven mason]

And if they stop there, great a little impact but not enough to take away our ability to self sustain when things get hairy

[teal girder]

I mean, thats literally saying that they want to make tanking experience unfun for people so healers can spam their 2 button rotation

[edgy grail]

because they think ALL tanks are too strong clearly

[whole crest]

if you can't read that was addressed 2s after the message you replied to

[strong forum]

FUCKING finally

got my gloves

[mellow quartz]

Cause they wanted all tanks to be nerfed so they nerfed all tanks…

[inland raft]

Honestly i think they are secretly happier when theres a tank shortage

[cobalt seal]

thx cap obvious

[edgy grail]

I agree thye basically said "we know tanking is fun" "we're making it less fun"

[teal girder]

They nerfed them based off of base mythics and heroics lmao

[inland raft]

Means pugs stay logged in longer cuz they looking for tank which inflates engagement metrics

[storm merlin]

But they said they wanted to make tanks more reliant on healers and not be able to solo a large portion of encounters..

Brew was already reliant on healers and couldn't solo nearly as much as other tanks

[teal girder]

Oh god, they got nerfed too

That's unfortunate jesus

[edgy grail]

Saying the nerfs were for no reason is just dumb, they clearly stated their reasons, ofc almost everyone disagrees with it.

[storm merlin]

https://twitter.com/Andybrew10/status/1601413470678704128?s=20&t=by2TjmaPEdTYDt0jiExYrg
Besides, even Andy agrees it's stupid

Andybrew (@Andybrew10)

Hello @warcraftdevs I’m not sure if you knew this but prot warriors very rarely use d stance, it’s more of an oh shit swap and not something you use consistently. For all intents and purposes you just gave prot warrior 5% dr buff for free. You should revisit this change ASAP.

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[cobalt seal]

https://twitter.com/jdotb/status/1601400937658355713

jb (@jdotb)

yeah I'm gonna need you to provide some examples

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Twitter · Dec 10, 2022, 2:18 AM

[storm merlin]

They clearly stated their very vague reasons

[cobalt seal]

"yeah I'm gonna need you to provide some examples"

[whole crest]

if you're not gonna take some rando's opinion about it being vague

please take literally every content creator's opinion about it being vague

and just accept that it's vague af

[edgy grail]

People can't read the next sentence apparently

have you read that one?

[cobalt seal]

can you?

[whole crest]

I have and it was addressed

[cobalt seal]

because you clearly dont understand it

[whole crest]

scroll back up 🙂

[storm merlin]

Okay so that next sentence, why nerf brew?

When they already were reliant on healers?

[teal girder]

Because fuck tanks lmao

Thats literally the reason

[storm merlin]

If it was about making tanks reliant on healers, okay.. It's a stupid reason, but it's a reason.
But then why in the everliving fuck hit brew too?

[whole crest]

and if it's based on tanks solo-ing m0s, it's tuning based on irrelevant content which is also cringe

[storm merlin]

yeah

[teal girder]

Its just as bad as nerfing classes based off of normal dungeon data

[edgy grail]

in beta there were plenty of times that I solo'd packs after my whole team died

[storm merlin]

Either it's a shit nerf for a shit reason, or it's a feelycrafty nerf for feelycrafty reasons

[edgy grail]

the timing is certainly weird tho why not back then

[storm merlin]

And why is that a problem?

[storm merlin]

And exactly

[mellow quartz]

Tanks could solo large portions of encounters on beta as well in actual keys. Not just m0’s.

[teal girder]

Blizzard needs to learn that balancing doesnt equal nerfing to shit lmao

[storm merlin]

There's 0 new info they have this week they didn't have 3 weeks ago

[cobalt seal]

And?

[whole crest]

define "large potions of encounters"

[storm merlin]

other than tanks soloing m0s which DON'T FUCKING MATTER

[edgy grail]

you don't see that tanks staying alive way after the group is a problem but blizz does

[mellow quartz]

And they don’t like that

[cobalt seal]

tanks

already did

[storm merlin]

So why make the change now and not 3 weeks ago?

[cobalt seal]

that in SL

and BFA

[teal girder]

They dont like tanks doing tank things

[storm merlin]

And why not in SL/BFA/Legion?

[cobalt seal]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[edgy grail]

you just keep moving the goalposts

[teal girder]

They essentially want us to be a slightly beefed up dps spec

[storm merlin]

No, we don't

[inland raft]

Easiest solution is more tank busters, its more engaging for healers to get those o shit heals out then just spamming 2 buttons more from higher consistent damage

[whole crest]

you do realize

we've been saying the same thing

[cobalt seal]

it's literally the same point

[whole crest]

for 10 minutes now

[teal girder]

This ^^

[whole crest]

all 3 of us

[mellow quartz]

So? We are not talking abt if they reasons are good or not but that people said they didn’t give any at all 🤷‍♂️

[teal girder]

Give me a reason to use defensive cds more ofteb

[slim dove]

my god some of you need to go eat your wheaties and touch some grass

[cobalt seal]

because the reasons were vague

LIKE

[teal girder]

I hate to say this but, ff14 does tank buster mechanics really well

[whole crest]

we said their reasons were vague, not that they didn't give them

[mellow quartz]

They did, people just disagree with them

[cobalt seal]

WE KEEP GOING IN CIRCLES

[strong forum]

for all i care give all other tanks the 10% back, keep warri as is

[fathom goblet]

I agree

[teal girder]

I second this

[inland raft]

But lets be real this particular nerf is nothing; only thing about it is a bit worrying about the data they using given its m0 content

[strong forum]

idgaf i just want people to stop crying about pwar

[edgy grail]

"we dont want tanks to live long after their groups and solo packs" is not vague you just choose to not udnerstand it

[trail crow]

I made the comment earlier in guild that a lot of the new fights in VOI have very similar mechanics to FFXIV raids.

[teal girder]

The whole reason this nerf is bad is because imagine how bad the nerfs will be when m+ and raids come out

[trail crow]

Some of them are quite literally copy-paste.

[teal girder]

Gives me hope this voi will be good then

[storm merlin]

It's vague because they don't have any new info about that since 3 weeks ago.. And it wasn't a problem last expansion, or the one before that

[edgy grail]

are you serious rn?

LOL

[whole crest]

also what does "live long" mean

[teal girder]

They essentially want tanks to get oneshot the moment their healer dies

[whole crest]

5s, 10s, 15s, 20s, 30s?

[fathom goblet]

@storm merlin they could be revisitng BETA data

[edgy grail]

are you comparing the power form last expansion to this one?

[inland raft]

Well shadowlands at start was the opposite, tanks were literal paper

[teal girder]

Like instant fucking death

[mellow quartz]

Wdym? It’s roughly just 1 key level lower then before for the same damage intake.

[fathom goblet]

for real

[storm merlin]

I very much doubt it, they've had ages since the last m+ test, if they haven't gotten all the useful data out of it already then they're slacking

[fathom goblet]

tanking has never been so easy

[edgy grail]

they even went into the reason WHY they think tanks are strong adn its because of the new talent trees

[dawn marsh]

Is there a "goto" BS tree for long term for prot? I read that shield is pretty good to craft and someone posted this tree earlier: https://www.wowhead.com/beta/profession-tree-calc/blacksmithing/BAkRDE1k_QGeCeBem1CB4CMsO

Kinda trying to figure it out since apparently specialization points can't be refunded...

[teal girder]

If tanks can survive 5 seconds with a dead healer in a mythic +, then they'll nerf us even more so we can't survive even a millisecond without one

[uneven mason]

Y'all dooming over some tuning

[fathom goblet]

@storm merlin data analisys take time

[mellow quartz]

‘Ok’

[edgy grail]

everyone also acting like 10% is the end of the world

[storm merlin]

Not 3+ weeks for 2 days of data

[teal girder]

Ok - 🤓

[cobalt seal]

???

[storm merlin]

Long term you get everything.
Short term get whatever gives you more skill
Medium term get whatever gives you money

[trail crow]

That's gross hyperbole. 😐

[hasty echo]

anyone knows that?

[dawn marsh]

Oh so you'll be able to specialize in everything at a later point/season?

[strong forum]

nobody wants tanks to be squishy like SL S1

[edgy grail]

yea 10% damage makes you get one shot instantly

[strong forum]

even if tanks are OP very few people play them

[edgy grail]

everyone knows that

[mellow quartz]

Blizzard always tuned up until mythic week. Saying they could have done stuff weeks ago is true but doesn’t mean this is ‘to late’.

[hard vessel]

but i guess we will not be as squishy as s1 of SL

[storm merlin]

You'll keep getting knowledge so you'll be able to get all the skills

[fathom goblet]

@strong forum best season ever

[lone eagle]

Wouldn't worry about softcaps or w/e, haste will probably be better than anything for any stats you can reasonably get right now

[dawn marsh]

Damn thanks for that info, trying to figure out the crafting system atm.

[hard vessel]

if tanks cant die tanking is not fun

[lone eagle]

Softcap for scaling starts at 30%

[inland raft]

Theyd have to do some major tuning to make tanks as bad ad they were at start of sl

[cobalt seal]

???

[marble cipher]

VDH SL S1, hit mobs, jump jump jump "are they dead yet?" jump back in, hit other mobs, jump back out

[lone eagle]

as far as SB uptime goes, you can pretty reliably maintain 100% uptime without much work past 20% haste with good play

[marble cipher]

I don't think Blizz wants a repeat of that 😉

[hasty echo]

ty!

[fathom goblet]

SL S1 was really something

[mellow quartz]

This 10% won’t mean shit.

[storm merlin]

Something shit, yeah

[inland raft]

Like 100% damage taken increase levels I remember s1 i felt like was always a global away from floorpov at 100% hp

[edgy grail]

you can nerf tanks another 30% adn ti wont be S1 SL

[hard vessel]

i had the most fun tanking ever tanking s1 of SL

[fathom goblet]

@storm merlin I enjoyed alot

me too

[storm merlin]

Wow you guys didn't actually do high level tanking

or you don't like tanking

[inland raft]

It was engaging for sure because no margin for error but lets not act like thats a good thing when tanks are already least represented role

[hard vessel]

dude i tanked 22s in s1

[cobalt seal]

you need to check someone

you are completely insane

[mint dove]

what are people using their titan matrix 4's on? Already made a ring but have a second one to use

[storm merlin]

So you liked.. Not tanking?

Sure

[cobalt seal]

imagine liking a season

[storm merlin]

Why are you trying to play a tank then

[cobalt seal]

that you couldn't tank

[edgy grail]

not everyone is a masochist

[storm merlin]

So play a dps

[cobalt seal]

WITHOUT A CATA ENG tool

AND TREES

[fathom goblet]

cata eng tool was op

[inland raft]

Ya s1 was all about cyclint multiple belts and trees

[marble cipher]

haha, the cata eng dude, already forgot that one

[inland raft]

Because tanks legit couldn’t survive actually tanking whole pull

[storm merlin]

SL S1 was literally tanks not being tanks and kiting because they were too weak

[mellow quartz]

I just can’t believe they let the belt stay for as long as they did.

[fathom goblet]

nah

[cobalt seal]

nasch

pls stop

[fathom goblet]

after being equipped it was ok

[storm merlin]

Because if they nerfed it sooner, everyone would drop like 3+ key levels

[cobalt seal]

for the love of god

pls stop

[storm merlin]

Not if you were pushing

[fathom goblet]

maybe

[limber maple]

i love running in circles as a tank, bring back SLS1 balance, oh boy

[cobalt seal]

go back to your weekly 15s where nothing hurts

because if you think SLS1 was good

[inland raft]

When tank tier lists was written based on ability to kite

[cobalt seal]

you clearly didn't do keys above 15's

[fathom goblet]

@cobalt seal lul

[storm merlin]

Or he just doesn't like tanking

which begs the question, why play a tank

[cobalt seal]

you need to be completely insane

to say you liked Sl S1 tanking

I mean kiting*

[hard vessel]

tanking is not staying in front of 50 mobs using no brain to survive

[cobalt seal]

we didn't tank

[storm merlin]

And neither is it pulling 1 pack and having your group drop a target dummy / trees while you run and hide behind a wall

[marble cipher]

bear tanking was

[inland raft]

Ive mained prot war since vanilla with exception of legion and bfa where i was dps mostly, i def dont play the spec cuz i like to kite

Its fine to have pulls where its needed but should be the exception not the rule

[hard vessel]

if you werend able to tank 1 pack you must have played world first level

[eager schooner]

S1 SL finally made me quit wow until now

[storm merlin]

Or if you could survive 1 pack you pulled 2 and then did the same thing

Get aggro, drop trees, run

[marble cipher]

also, maybe we should stop bashing one another on something that's 2+ years old by now 😉

[hard vessel]

but its fun

[inland raft]

It was pull pop cds, pop trees, kite

Repeat

[storm merlin]

If you don't wanna tank, don't play a tank

[limber maple]

its being brought up because of the current discussion around survivability, dont think anyone actually likes remembering that time

[storm merlin]

Except smashbugg and nasch literally say they do

they want to return to SL S1

for some reason

[hard vessel]

no return but i said it was fun

[storm merlin]

Like, just don't play a tank if you don't want to tank

[hard vessel]

more fun than s3 or 4

[storm merlin]

I completely disagree

I'd rather tank 50 mobs to the face than run from 5

[hard vessel]

if you can live the 50 mobs and your group dies its fucking boring also

[cobalt seal]

then

dont pull 50 mobs

¯_(ツ)_/¯

pull are determined by group surv

not tank surv

[storm merlin]

not to mention that there's nowhere you actually pulled 50 mobs

[hard vessel]

ye and then i pull 20 and fall asleep? 😄

[storm merlin]

ever

[slim dove]

i tried in nelth.

bad times

[storm merlin]

No, then you maximise damage

[hard vessel]

yes and thats the same

[storm merlin]

So you'd rather kite 1-2 groups?

[sick sentinel]

new meta after reset?

[storm merlin]

How is that not less boring

[hard vessel]

its more challenging simply

[storm merlin]

no it's not

You get aggro and you run away

[hard vessel]

no

you need to find the small perfect moment to run away

[eager schooner]

tanking 1000 mobs makes funny feelings in the tummy

[hard vessel]

you acutally need to know when you can live and when not

[storm merlin]

That moment is when you're out of CDs and CC

that's not a hard moment to spot

[cobalt seal]

and that's dif than rn?

[storm merlin]

If you have CDs, you tank, if you don't, you run